1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 176       Contents: Re: 7.3-1 and EXBYTLIM7 Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade ; Re: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade  Re: Conference On Clustering RE: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: COV Sponsors Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested RE: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested RE: Fortran Guru requested' Re: HSZ Cache Corrupting Files? (Long!) . Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons. Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons. RE: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and consG RE: OpenVMS v7.3-1 and Advanced Server v7.3A - Pathworks server crashes  Re: OT: Microsoft virus warning  RE: OT: Microsoft virus warning  RE: OT: Microsoft virus warning # Re: problems with accountn.dat file & Structure of  the TCPIP Services group@ SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process)& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& RE: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading/ Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process 7 Re: VMS Software Product & Online Documentation Library 9 Re: Which PAK for DECNET Phase IV under Hobbyist Program?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:22:07 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: 7.3-1 and EXBYTLIM + Message-ID: <b6793v$5o8$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   W In article <1030329002915.416F-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: ) >On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Paul Webster wrote:  > H >> I have an application (but no source code) that works on VMS 7.1 (and' >> I think 7.2) but is failing on 7.3-1  >>  > >> The failure is %SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quota >>    F >Completely different thing that has worked fine for years, but is now( >dying on VMS 7.3-1 with the same error. > @ >TCPWare IP-over-DECnet line to a remote site.  The local end isE >an AlphaServer 1200 running VMS V7.3-1 (upgraded from V7.2-1 Tuesday A >night), DECnet-Plus, TCPware 5.6-2.  Remote end is VAX VMS V7.1, ! >DECnet-Plus V7.1, TCPware 5.3-3.  >   M I thought TCPware's Decnet over IP  only worked with DECNET Phase IV not with  DECNet-Plus / PHASE V.I I tried to load it on an Alpha recently with PHASE V on it and got a load > of errors about not being able to create the line and circuit.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      B >The local end was the LISTENER.  Whenever TCPware tried to start,B >it would get an %SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quota, andD >TCPware would immediately shut itself down.  I removed the commands? >to start the DECnet-0 line, and TCPware came up fine.  I tried A >executing them interactively and got the same error (but TCPware > >doesn't shut itself down when you do it interactively, makingA >testing much easier.)  I messed around a lot with SYSTEM's BYTLM ; >quota, eventually quadrupling it, without benefit.  Once I A >accidently left off the "/flags=listener", and it didn't die (or ? >maybe it got a different error, I don't remember).  Of course, ? >the line didn't start (no listener), but this was progress!  I = >restarted the remote side as the listener, started the local B >side as the active end, and the line came up and has been working >fine ever since.  > C >Since this time, I've installed the 7.3-1 DECnet ECO and rebooted, A >but I haven't tried swapping back to the original configuration.  > < >Maybe there is a generic problem with BYTLM quota in 7.3-1? >  >--  >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.  >781-861-0670 ext 539  >    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 03 13:58:16 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) @ Subject: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade) Message-ID: <WsWk4MPZulS5@elias.decus.ch>   H Yesterday I upgraded Apache CSWS to V1.3 (dated December 2002), together) with the security patch CSWS UPDATE V1.0.   I Since then, each time I restart Apache I get the following audit warning:   ' Auditable event:          Object access 1 Event time:               30-MAR-2003 13:49:22.82 " PID:                      20A016BA& Process name:             APACHE$00001$ Username:                 APACHE$WWW/ Process owner:            [AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW]  Image name:               @ $1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.APACHE.][000000]APACHE_HTTPD.EXE_ALPHA;1 Object class name:        FILEF Object name:              _$1$DKA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]RIGHTSLIST.DAT;1" Object owner:             [SYSTEM]B Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:R, WORLD: Access requested:         READL Status:                   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object.                           protection violation   9 And the same for processes APACHE$00000, APACHE$00002 etc   C Having checked in Appendix B-2 of the Guide to System Security, the 8 protection on RIGHTSLIST.DAT as listed above is correct.  A I didn't see such access violations in the previous version I was , running. Anyone know what is happening here?   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:10:19 +0200 & From: Andreas Fassl <afassl@progis.de>D Subject: Re: Apache %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on RIGHTSLIST.DAT after upgrade/ Message-ID: <b674pq$31q$04$1@news.t-online.com>    Paul,   I please check, if the ownership in your apache$root directory hasn't been  E overridden by the installation procedure.  (A DIR/PROT will show the   difference)    Regards    Andreas  Paul Sture wrote:   I >Yesterday I upgraded Apache CSWS to V1.3 (dated December 2002), together * >with the security patch CSWS UPDATE V1.0. > J >Since then, each time I restart Apache I get the following audit warning: > ( >Auditable event:          Object access2 >Event time:               30-MAR-2003 13:49:22.82# >PID:                      20A016BA ' >Process name:             APACHE$00001 % >Username:                 APACHE$WWW 0 >Process owner:            [AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW] >Image name:              A >$1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.APACHE.][000000]APACHE_HTTPD.EXE_ALPHA;1  >Object class name:        FILE G >Object name:              _$1$DKA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]RIGHTSLIST.DAT;1 # >Object owner:             [SYSTEM] C >Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWED, OWNER:RWED, GROUP:R, WORLD:  >Access requested:         READ M >Status:                   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object / >                          protection violation  >   : >And the same for processes APACHE$00000, APACHE$00002 etc > D >Having checked in Appendix B-2 of the Guide to System Security, the9 >protection on RIGHTSLIST.DAT as listed above is correct.  > B >I didn't see such access violations in the previous version I was- >running. Anyone know what is happening here?  >  >    >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:42:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering H Message-ID: <pfEha.59429$s421.5684@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:y_OdnSvfJ4tG4RujXTWcpw@metrocast.net... > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:jytha.42712$KlE.36979@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >  > ...  > E > > IIRC, most failover in the unix world tends to be measured in the  > > order of 5+ minutes, > B > You either remember incorrectly, or from rather a long time ago.	 Fail-over A > times under a minute are easy to achieve (at least when using a 
 journaling@ > file system), and faster ones are possible with minor effort - thoughF > getting it down to a few seconds (comparable to a lock-manager state > transition) takes more.   = You are correct. I was thinking of an NT situation I saw at a > customer's site a couple years ago when I typed 5 minute. Unix4 solutions are, as you suggest, in the 1 minute range   > 4 >  and data loss/consistency may be more of an issueF > > depending on whether one is using a RDBMS, shadowing, 2PC, with or2 > > without a TP monitor, or just the file system. > ? > My FUD detector just went off, I'm afraid.  Transactional and  databaseE > products tend to be layered and tend to work (and recover) the same  way B > regardless of the underlying cluster mechanism, though of course ACMS andE > RDB, having been specifically designed for VMS, are exceptions (OPS  would be> > too, except that Oracle has now incorporated all the cluster
 functionality ? > it needs into the product itself so that it can run elsewhere 
 effectively).   B My point was that clusters in and of themselves are not the 'magicE bullet'. Business/processing continuity is a function of many choices C in the technology chosen and the manner in which it is implemented, > both in the software purchased and application specific designE decisions. Different choices result in differing levels of confidence F and timeliness of recovery/failover, and the potential requirement for/ manual intervention in the process of failover.     A > Redundancy (shadowing/mirroring/parity groups) is not a cluster  issue at allC > per se (though it can become one when performed at the inter-host  ratherC > than drive-array level), nor is file-system/data integrity (since  withB > fail-over-style clustering the same mechanisms are used that are used to C > maintain integrity in a single host after an unplanned shutdown).   A I guess it depends on how one defines a cluster. We see different F things marketed as clusters, some with more 'integrity' (pun intended) than others. > E > In other words, I think you're blowing smoke - unless you'd care to  provide  > some concrete examples.  >  > > E > > And then there's the matter of the amount of effort to set-up and D > > maintain/monitor the cluster - think o/s upgrades too. VMS takes lessE > > effort on all counts, and that equates to real money savings too.  > D > If you'll reacquaint yourself with the post to which you responded you'll> > see that its claim was *functional* equivalence (and it even specificallyD > pointed out that "a bit more set-up folderol" was often required). I haveF > no objection if you want to boast about VMS, but please don't phrase it to F > imply that it's some form of rebuttal when it in no way qualifies as such.  >  > ...  > 2 > > >Now that you've been notified, perhaps you'veC > > > got some studying to do if you don't want to run afoul of the  trade  > > > descriptions act.  > > E > > He's not talking about 'bait and switch' - just heavy emphasis on  VMS. > = > My reference was to misrepresenting the capabilities of the  competition (as  > you did).   E It's called 'marketing'. Sun does it. IBM does it. Microsoft does it.  HP doesn't.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:59:32 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> % Subject: RE: Conference On Clustering T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660EBE@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Nic,  A As a suggestion, perhaps you could discuss "shared everything" vs B "shared nothing" cluster technologies as a means to not be seen asA promoting one technology over the other. Both have advantages and  disadvantages.  4 Here is a fairly good laymens article on this topic:H http://archive.infoworld.com/articles/fe/xml/01/12/17/011217feclustertca xml   F And if you want to distribute a pointer (or hard copy) to a whitepaperG that discusses the status of various Cluster technologies as they apply > to disaster tolerant configurations, this is a public pointer:H http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pd f & (see last page for good chart summary)  B Note - often not discussed as cluster differentiators, but perhaps
 should be:  @ - does the OS allow cluster traffic load balancing (via softwareG weighting) across all available cluster interconnects or does it depend A only on one interconnect and failover to a secondary if something F happens to the primary? Being able to load balance the cluster traffic< allows one to spread the traffic across multiple PCI busses.  F - with respect to native batch/print queues and physical devices, whatF is the impact of ensuring hundreds of batch jobs can run on any system in the cluster at any time?      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      -----Original Message-----2 From: Nic Clews [mailto:sendspamhere@127.0.0.1]=20 Sent: March 28, 2003 5:39 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering      Ken Robinson wrote:  >=20J > I wonder if HP will be sending any VMS people there to talk about VMS=20
 > Clustering?   ? I've succumbed to pressure, and my HP-CUO session being held in D Warrington on 13th May will be largely based and providing technicalE information for OpenVMS clustering, but will, in order to satisfy the G trade descriptions act, and to get a wider non-VMS audience to hear how F it's really done, be talking about some other clustering technologies.  E Now's the time to influence what you'd like in it, I have most of the B technical information I need, I'm currently ordering contents, andF determining the level of depth for what I'm going to cover. (This may,G depending on the success or otherwise be a prelude to more in depth and 9 specific sessions). E.g. a question raised here about why G "expected_votes" can prevent the admission of a new member to a cluster G will be covered, other voting and quorum intricacies, interconnects and 1 characteristics, why IP would be no good for SCS.   E Warrington is just over 2 hours by train from London, and 3 and a bit B from Glasgow /Edinburgh. It is also on a main arterial interchange@ between the M6, M62/M60 and M56, so allowing for local rush hour+ slowdowns, is also very accessible by road.    --=20 F Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:49:42 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) % Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering + Message-ID: <b67anm$5vp$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   n In article <jytha.42712$KlE.36979@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 6 >"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message- >news:PhmcnQNwady5KBmjXTWc3Q@metrocast.net...  >>8 >> "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message& >> news:3E84616F.AFDF0901@127.0.0.1... >> > John Smith wrote: >> > > >> > >A >> > > "Hello and welcome to our technical session on clustering.  >> > >G >> > > Without wanting to take up your valuable time on preamble, let's  >get >> > > started right away. >> > >A >> > > Here is a rundown of what is available in the marketplace: 8 >> > > a) IBM mainframe clusters work but are expensive.? >> > > b) All unix, linux, and Microsoft clusters don't work as  >advertised 4 >> > > and aren't worth the money, time, and effort.A >> > > c) Clusters that define the industry standard (tm) are VMS 	 >clusters ? >> > > and we'll be spending the rest of this technical session  >discussing 
 >> > > them."  >> >B >> > In reality I'm probably going to be slightly more tactful, in
 >order notF >> > to be accused of being a XYZ product basher, I'll say what it can >andD >> > can't do, and allow the listener to draw their own conclusions. >>E >> Just be sure that you *know* what other clusters can and can't do.  >One to A >> be especially careful to understand is AIX clustering (and its  >distributedG >> GPFS file system).  Another is the Veritas clustering product suite.  >And of F >> course be sure to be up to date on the newest clustering mechanisms >Sun
 >> offers. > D >Then there is the matter of cost. Veritas is not cheap. By the time< >you factor in the Veritas licence costs, and the inevitableB >finger-pointing between the o/s vendor and Veritas when somethingA >fails, it isn't worth the hassle if one can make a 'green field' - >decision about using VMS in the first place.  >  >> >> >/ >> > Apart from that you're more or less right!  >>9 >> No, he isn't:  there are several Unix-style clustering  >implementations that E >> offer approximate functional equivalence to VMS's facilities (even  >DLMs:? >> Tru64 acquired one recently, and AIX has had one for about a 
 >decade - and D >> donated it to Linux a couple of years ago), though usually with a	 >bit more G >> set-up folderol and with fail-over times that tend to be measured in  >tens of >> seconds rather than seconds.  > B >IIRC, most failover in the unix world tends to be measured in theG >order of 5+ minutes, and data loss/consistency may be more of an issue C >depending on whether one is using a RDBMS, shadowing, 2PC, with or / >without a TP monitor, or just the file system.  >   K There are now real clustering solutions in the Unix world not just failover 0 solutions. Tru64's main clustering failings are   L 1) The  minimum number of disks required (one for each system , one for the N cluster common files and one for the quorum disk - you can get around this by I carving them out as partitions on a raid controller but that adds to the   cost of system.)     and   B 2) The extra hassle involved in patching or upgrading the systems.I The lack of file versions means that you have to go through a complicated 4 procedure involving multiple reboots of the systems.  M I only evaluated TRU64 clusters for a little while so there may well be other 8 failings but these were the ones which really stood out.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    B >And then there's the matter of the amount of effort to set-up andF >maintain/monitor the cluster - think o/s upgrades too. VMS takes lessB >effort on all counts, and that equates to real money savings too. > C >I know several organizations that have done the 3rd party software E >routine or vendor-native in unixland, and their comments are that it ? >was harder to get working correctly and manage than the vendor C >promised. None have had them going for any length of time yet, and G >only one has put their cluster into production, with an uptime of less D >than 1 month thus far. Too early to know what the problems will be. > G >The Illuminata article from last summer offers some useful information $ >on all this. Not exhaustive though. >  > / >>Now that you've been notified, perhaps you've F >> got some studying to do if you don't want to run afoul of the trade >> descriptions act. > G >He's not talking about 'bait and switch' - just heavy emphasis on VMS.  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2003 10:01:08 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: COV Sponsors 3 Message-ID: <1SANNA2gZQZh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E863FA1.C8D3348B@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > 6 > Yes. Sector7 ads appear frequently on Google Groups. > H > Jon whats-'is-name at one time came around to the old Free-VMS mailingC > list, even going so far as forging his mail headers and using the G > pseudonym "gib.senip@reknaw.com". Class guy, huh? (Apologies, Didier. I > Sorry you had to hear it from me.) I can probably unearth a post or two & > and excerpt it, if anyone doubts me. >     What kind of things did he say ?   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:39:55 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested , Message-ID: <3E869F4B.7040108@tg.nsw.gov.au>   John Santos wrote:# > On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 PRSTSC wrote:  >  > R >>I encounter some trouble porting a fortran/vax program to Alpha (no warnings at - >>compile time, either with or without /F77):  >> >>$ run spcinv >>../..  >>R >>%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000( >>0030, PC=FFFFFFFF808E5380, PS=0000001B1 >>%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows M >>   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC R >>                                             0 0000000000000000 FFFFFFFF808E5380R >>  SPCINV  INVADERS  SLEEP                  141 0000000000000ADC 0000000000030ADCR >>  SPCINV  INVADERS  SPECIAL_GRAPHIC        579 0000000000002BB8 0000000000032BB8R >>  SPCINV  INVADERS  MOVE                    42 00000000000003D0 00000000000303D0R >>  SPCINV  INVADERS  INVADERS                27 0000000000000000 0000000000000000R >>                                             0 FFFFFFFF802513D4 FFFFFFFF802513D4 >># >>132         SUBROUTINE SLEEP(TAG) N >>133 C       Set timer and wait for TAG seconds.  TAG is a CHARACTER*5 stringQ >>134 C       of the form ##.##, which is the seconds, and hundredths of seconds. @ >>135 C       To delay game for 5 seconds, TAG would be '05.00'.& >>136         IMPLICIT INTEGER*4 (A-Z)! >>137         EXTERNAL SS$_NORMAL # >>138         DOUBLE PRECISION TIME * >>139         CHARACTER DELTA_TIME*9,TAG*5 >>140 C >>141         DELTA_TIME='0 ::'//TAG          !Concatenate strings. L >>142         RET_STAT=SYS$BINTIM(DELTA_TIME,TIME)    !ASCII to binary time.B >>143         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'BINTIM failed.'O >>144         RET_STAT=SYS$SETIMR(,TIME,,)            !Set timer, event flag 0. B >>145         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'SETIMR failed.'Q >>146         RET_STAT=SYS$WAITFR(%VAL(0))            !Wait for flag 0 to be set. B >>147         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'WAITFR failed.' >>148         RETURN >>149         END  >>	 >>Thanks,  >> >>D. >  > E > I don't think I'm a Fortran guru, not having programmed in it in 28 F > years, but I think the problem is that the subroutine is lying aboutF > TIME being a double-precision float.  It is really a 64-bit integer. > F > On a VAX all bit patterns are legal floats (or at least the hardwareB > doesn't complain about them when you MOVD them), but not true onA > Alphas.  It "fixes" them.  Since TIME is really an int, any bit A > pattern is legal.  Some of the other followups imply there is a @ > floating point exception occuring somewhere in the background. >  John,   G It is a plausible explanation, but I'm not sure whether it works quite  
 like that.  H Time is 64 bits long, but no "use" is made of it in the routine.  It is ? passed to sys$bintim where it is written to and then passed to  @ sys$setimr where it is read.  There is no use which changes its C representattion as a bit pattern.  No matter how it is declared in  E SLEEP, as long as it is 64 bits, the interaction of the two routines   should work correctly.  F There should be no moving of the data: it is written to TIME and then  the same bit pattern is read.   D I think what you are referring to with the MOVD instruction is that G G-floating and D-floating need a shift to add one exponent bit between  H the two.  D- is default on VAX, but G- is default on Alpha.  If that is F what you are referring to, it should not be a problem here, as per my  comment in my last paragraph.   C > I don't know how or if you can use 64-bit (Quad) ints in Fortran, ? > but it seems very likely to me.  If not, maybe you can create ? > a 2-element 32-bit (Long) int array in a common, and point to . > the 1st element instead of using the DOUBLE? > H Yes, on Alpha (at least, I don't think it is available on VAX) you have H INTEGER*8, but for the same use of TIME, you can have INTEGER*4 TIME(2) I -- *4 being the default.  No need to be in COMMON, a local variable will   suffice.   > P.S. Great project!  > A > But I found that since losing hardwired terminals, (LAT instead @ > of DZ's), the response of interactive games became too erratic@ > to make playing pleasureable.  I think a DECterm would be even@ > worse.  In space invaders, I would fire a couple of test shotsA > to guage the relative speed of the target and the missile, then A > fire again when the target got to the right point (I would hide E > behind a shield, pop out, fire and pop back.)  On LAT, the response D > was always a little jerky, so I would start missing a lot.  In theF > early rounds, I could move and fire again, but in later rounds, when1 > things were moving faster, this was impossible.  > C > I could be mis-remembering my strategy- I don't think I've played ? > since our 11/780 went away, ten years ago almost to the day -  > 13-MAR-1993.  :-(  > H I tried compiling, linking and running.  The first two were successful, H but the program did not like that I am on a DECterm.  It claimed access H to only a VT100 or VT52.  Since it was only a spurious exercise, I have   not bothered to change the code.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:02:24 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested , Message-ID: <3E86A490.1020108@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Didier,   E I shan't repeat your message, but IIRC the reason mask is telling us  G that it cannot access the input.  I could well be wrong since I do not  < have my reason mask list to hand, but I'll check that later.  H Have you tried running with debug (I believe you said that also failed)  and checking out TAG.   = The code that you posted looks O.K. to me.  The call is from  3 SPECIAL_GRAPHICS and it is certainly a CHARACTER*5.   H If you do not get anywhere and care to contact me off-line, I'll try to C get the code to work with my DECterm and see what I can see in the   debugger for you.   F I'm a sortta semi-guru on Fortran and debugging.  I've beta'd VMS F90 I over several years and I'm paid to write/maintain and locate and correct  5 bugs in our large technical engineering applications.    Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  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TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:06:44 +0200 ( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL># Subject: RE: Fortran Guru requested C Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737C80@wt15.wt.tno.nl>   L Are you passing the TAG variable as a variable or as a string in the call to SLEEP?  * The latter option might cause the problem.   YMHO,    Mark   > -----Original Message-----: > From: PRSTSC::DTL [mailto:Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr]& > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 13:12 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject: Fortran Guru requested  >  > < > I encounter some trouble porting a fortran/vax program to  > Alpha (no warnings at - > compile time, either with or without /F77):  >  > $ run spcinv > ../..  > > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  > address=000000000000( > 0030, PC=FFFFFFFF808E5380, PS=0000001B1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows @ >    image    module    routine             line      rel PC     >        abs PC 1 >                                              0  # > 0000000000000000 FFFFFFFF808E5380 1 >   SPCINV  INVADERS  SLEEP                  141  # > 0000000000000ADC 0000000000030ADC 1 >   SPCINV  INVADERS  SPECIAL_GRAPHIC        579  # > 0000000000002BB8 0000000000032BB8 1 >   SPCINV  INVADERS  MOVE                    42  # > 00000000000003D0 00000000000303D0 1 >   SPCINV  INVADERS  INVADERS                27  # > 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 1 >                                              0  # > FFFFFFFF802513D4 FFFFFFFF802513D4  > # > 132         SUBROUTINE SLEEP(TAG) < > 133 C       Set timer and wait for TAG seconds.  TAG is a  > CHARACTER*5 string; > 134 C       of the form ##.##, which is the seconds, and   > hundredths of seconds.@ > 135 C       To delay game for 5 seconds, TAG would be '05.00'.& > 136         IMPLICIT INTEGER*4 (A-Z)! > 137         EXTERNAL SS$_NORMAL # > 138         DOUBLE PRECISION TIME * > 139         CHARACTER DELTA_TIME*9,TAG*5 > 140 C > 141         DELTA_TIME='0 ::'//TAG          !Concatenate strings. @ > 142         RET_STAT=SYS$BINTIM(DELTA_TIME,TIME)    !ASCII to  > binary time.B > 143         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'BINTIM failed.'; > 144         RET_STAT=SYS$SETIMR(,TIME,,)            !Set   > timer, event flag 0.B > 145         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'SETIMR failed.'@ > 146         RET_STAT=SYS$WAITFR(%VAL(0))            !Wait for  > flag 0 to be set. B > 147         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'WAITFR failed.' > 148         RETURN > 149         END  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D. >    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 03 12:51:17 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested ) Message-ID: <hCn2R9sZHAvB@elias.decus.ch>   ` In article <3E869F4B.7040108@tg.nsw.gov.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> writes: >  >>  J > I tried compiling, linking and running.  The first two were successful, J > but the program did not like that I am on a DECterm.  It claimed access J > to only a VT100 or VT52.  Since it was only a spurious exercise, I have " > not bothered to change the code. >   + $ SET TERMINAL /DEVICE_TYPE=VT52 ! or VT100   F In fact, the unsupported (since V3 era?) flavours of that still appear3 to work. Backwards compatibility over 2 decades :-)    $ SET TERM /VT52 $ SET TERM /VT100    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:27:37 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested 4 Message-ID: <3e871b22$0$28751$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Paul Sture wrote:  > $ SET TERM /VT52 > $ SET TERM /VT100  >    I would say more, Paul:    $ set term/VT100   works fine too.    D.C (currently trying to install Mandrake on my good old Armada 100 :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:30:31 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested 4 Message-ID: <3e871bd0$0$28751$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Paddy O'Brien wrote:	 > Didier,  > G > I shan't repeat your message, but IIRC the reason mask is telling us  I > that it cannot access the input.  I could well be wrong since I do not  > > have my reason mask list to hand, but I'll check that later. > J > Have you tried running with debug (I believe you said that also failed)  > and checking out TAG.n > ? > The code that you posted looks O.K. to me.  The call is from  5 > SPECIAL_GRAPHICS and it is certainly a CHARACTER*5.r > J > If you do not get anywhere and care to contact me off-line, I'll try to E > get the code to work with my DECterm and see what I can see in the a > debugger for you.   = Paddy, the source is in my post dated 29-mar-2003 16:19 here.u   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:39:33 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>n# Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requestedp4 Message-ID: <3e871def$0$28745$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Bruin, J.M. de wrote:SN > Are you passing the TAG variable as a variable or as a string in the call to > SLEEP?  # as a string within the parenthesis.  I changed it to    	character duration*5  ../..  	duration = '05:00'n  I and now I can go further but I get another error line 677 in routine SENDo  3 %FOR-F-OUTSTAOVE, Output statement overflows recordr   :-(c   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:33:23 +0200i( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL># Subject: RE: Fortran Guru requestediC Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737C82@wt15.wt.tno.nl>h   Ok,t   one thing at a time.  N This one is / was obvious (to me). You can not use a 'parameter' as a variableM within a sub program (passing it between quote's in the calling paramter (<-)-3 list, will have Fortran treat it is as a PARAMETER.0O Passing it as %DESCR(......) will do the trick (I think) or just put the stringa3 into a variable and put that in the parameter list..  H The new error is clearly related to the format of an output (i.e. write)H statement either to an external file/device or during an internal write.  P The error must state the line it occurs at or after. This might point you to the problematic write.  
 Good luck,   YMHO,i   Mark S     -----Original Message----- From: PRSTSC::DTL  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Sent: 3/30/03 7:39 PMr# Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested-   Bruin, J.M. de wrote: F > Are you passing the TAG variable as a variable or as a string in the call toe > SLEEP?  # as a string within the parenthesis.u I changed it toD   	character duration*5. ./.. 	duration = '05:00'1  D and now I can go further but I get another error line 677 in routine SEND  3 %FOR-F-OUTSTAOVE, Output statement overflows recordP   :-(H   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:14:17 +0200 & From: Andreas Fassl <afassl@progis.de>0 Subject: Re: HSZ Cache Corrupting Files? (Long!)/ Message-ID: <b67517$31q$04$2@news.t-online.com>    >e >c( > Damned if I can find a hardware manual9 >on the web too! - We have two copies of the CLI manual.)d >b >  o >  You are in luck.  F http://h18004.www1.hp.com/support/storage/open_vendor/support/hsz.html   Regards0   AndreasT   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2003 07:22:19 -0800( From: univms@bigfoot.com (Hamlyn Mootoo)7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and consi= Message-ID: <9cf7e06d.0303300722.63d69643@posting.google.com>q  ] John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1030330002420.8821C-100000@Ives.egh.com>...e the system disk. > % > I don't know anything about Legato., > > > The customer is currently mumbling about NetBackup.  Is thisA > the same as Legato or a third product?  Should I be relieved ori' > should I run screaming from the room?a  A NetBackup is fine, it's made by Veritas.  If they mention Legato,eB however, I would commence the running and screaming.  Legato (many> years ago) used to be sold by DEC as DEC NSR (network save andD restore).  It has not gotten significantly better over 10 years.  It is still a POS.    HM   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:00:58 +0000 (UTC)-+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb):7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and consj+ Message-ID: <b67bcq$5vp$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>T  X In article <1030330002420.8821C-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:# >On 29 Mar 2003, PROSULLIVAN wrote:e >rP >> Given the not very enviable choice between Legato and TSM for VMS backups, is >> it right that o >> aL >> a) both products cannot do true image backups (eg for legato: you have toR >> restore to seperate system disk and issue a 'writeboot.exe' - um, not sure if IM >> would trust that in a critical restore situation, especially if I wanted a  >> point in time backup) W >>  J >> b) both product's support for VAXes is questionable...like, Legato have >> shuffled about the answer.n >>  R >> Oh, and no I don't want to do local tape backups on dat, dlt etc on hundreds of9 >> local servers unless I double the amount of operators.  >> T	 >> ThanksN >R    J According to IBM consultants we spoke to recently TSM can't do "bare metal< recovery". This applies to Unix systems just as much as VMS.N To restore a Unix system with TSM you would need to restore the OS and the TSM, client before you could do any TSM restores.  K I'm not sure whether Legato can do any better ie by providing an ability to N boot a minimum OS and Legato client from CD or Tape (this would also obviouslyN need to enable networking if you are not backing up to a local tape device) - < in other words by providing a "stand-alone backup" facility.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex UniversityI >One customer uses ADSM (I think this is an old name for Tivoli) for site$E >backup.  Our app, running on a cluster of 2 VAX 66x0's, is forced topF >use it.  Apart from not supporting true image backups (they attemptedF >once to recover the system disk to a scratch disk and never got it toE >work), and occasional performance glitches, it seems to work okay.  V > A >ABC (the VMS client software, from someplace called SSSI, IIRC),AC >actually worked better than I at first expected.  It required lesswE >heavy-handed bashing to get it to do what we wanted than I expected.t >m@ >We keep old transaction and update history for about 18 months.= >About 6 months are online, and our application automaticallym> >retreives the older stuff from ADSM on demand.  This seems toE >work fine, at least since we got them to keep the "18 month archive"AG >for 18 months instead of 35 days (misconfigured ADSM server - that was  >an adventure...)  > 3 >VAX support seems to be on par with Alpha support.O >cC >BTW, about the system disk - I expect with some help (and possiblyDD >manually fixing aliasing problems) we could get it to recover okay,E >but I think in real life if we ever lose it (shadowed, and extremelycD >static since there is nothing but VMS on it), it would be easier to@ >do a fresh install of VMS, restore the system startup files andA >authorization files (which we backup separately and frequently),oA >re-create the queue database (we have a command file to do this, ? >and it isn't that hairy - a dozen queues, not hundreds...) andn@ >it'll be back quicker than trying to de-muck a non-image backup >of the system disk. > $ >I don't know anything about Legato. >h= >The customer is currently mumbling about NetBackup.  Is thisn@ >the same as Legato or a third product?  Should I be relieved or& >should I run screaming from the room? >s >--  >John Santos >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:56:41 -0500o' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>77 Subject: RE: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660EBF@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Re: bare metal recovery ..   One approach -=20nH - move sysuaf, rightlist, proxy, mail and other files open for write etc" to another shared disk in cluster.E - use OpenVMS online backup to save system disk to a saveset on localw  disk (or remote for that matter)D - use TSM or Legato or ISE for backup of all other files (keeping in mind open file issues)E - if hw RAID set went away for system disk and needed to be recoveredmB from scratch, simply use OpenVMS OS distribution Cdrom to boot and  restore the system disk saveset.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantm Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration ServicesD Voice: 613-592-4660w Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)m OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMa     -----Original Message-----5 From: David Webb [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]=20e Sent: March 30, 2003 1:01 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and consf    A In article <1030330002420.8821C-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santoso <JOHN@egh.com> writes:# >On 29 Mar 2003, PROSULLIVAN wrote:t >hG >> Given the not very enviable choice between Legato and TSM for VMS=20t >> backups, is it right that >>=20eG >> a) both products cannot do true image backups (eg for legato: you=20oH >> have to restore to seperate system disk and issue a 'writeboot.exe' -  I >> um, not sure if I would trust that in a critical restore situation,=20n1 >> especially if I wanted a point in time backup)l >>=20fH >> b) both product's support for VAXes is questionable...like, Legato=20" >> have shuffled about the answer. >>=20eI >> Oh, and no I don't want to do local tape backups on dat, dlt etc on=20oE >> hundreds of local servers unless I double the amount of operators.f >>=20t	 >> Thanksh >     D According to IBM consultants we spoke to recently TSM can't do "bareE metal recovery". This applies to Unix systems just as much as VMS. TohG restore a Unix system with TSM you would need to restore the OS and thed0 TSM client before you could do any TSM restores.  H I'm not sure whether Legato can do any better ie by providing an abilityG to boot a minimum OS and Legato client from CD or Tape (this would also H obviously need to enable networking if you are not backing up to a local tape device) -=20 < in other words by providing a "stand-alone backup" facility.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex UniversityG >One customer uses ADSM (I think this is an old name for Tivoli) for=20sJ >site backup.  Our app, running on a cluster of 2 VAX 66x0's, is forced=20B >to use it.  Apart from not supporting true image backups (they=20I >attempted once to recover the system disk to a scratch disk and never=20lG >got it to work), and occasional performance glitches, it seems to work  okay.t >eD >ABC (the VMS client software, from someplace called SSSI, IIRC),=20F >actually worked better than I at first expected.  It required less=20E >heavy-handed bashing to get it to do what we wanted than I expected.n >wH >We keep old transaction and update history for about 18 months. About 6  F >months are online, and our application automatically retreives the=20G >older stuff from ADSM on demand.  This seems to work fine, at least=20oJ >since we got them to keep the "18 month archive" for 18 months instead=20B >of 35 days (misconfigured ADSM server - that was an adventure...) >a3 >VAX support seems to be on par with Alpha support.r > F >BTW, about the system disk - I expect with some help (and possibly=20H >manually fixing aliasing problems) we could get it to recover okay, but  H >I think in real life if we ever lose it (shadowed, and extremely static  H >since there is nothing but VMS on it), it would be easier to do a fresh  F >install of VMS, restore the system startup files and authorization=20J >files (which we backup separately and frequently), re-create the queue=20J >database (we have a command file to do this, and it isn't that hairy -=20J >a dozen queues, not hundreds...) and it'll be back quicker than trying=202 >to de-muck a non-image backup of the system disk. >p$ >I don't know anything about Legato. >,I >The customer is currently mumbling about NetBackup.  Is this the same=20_G >as Legato or a third product?  Should I be relieved or should I run=20o >screaming from the room?  >s >--i >John Santos >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:40:15 -0500(' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>aP Subject: RE: OpenVMS v7.3-1 and Advanced Server v7.3A - Pathworks server crashesT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF403FB5B7B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,a  - <<<Has anybody had any similar behaviour ?<<<t  B If it is the specific V7.3A eco1 scenario I remember, contact your@ support center for an early patch that is making its way through official channels.   Regardst  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration ServicesC Voice: 613-592-4660g Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)m OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM"   -----Original Message-----@ From: Andrew Rycroft [mailto:andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com]=20 Sent: March 28, 2003 9:53 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com D Subject: OpenVMS v7.3-1 and Advanced Server v7.3A - Pathworks server crashesi     Hi,e  F We have just upgraded to openVMS v7.3-1, and Pathworks Advnaced Server	 v7.3A.=20   H The Pathworks Server crashes without any apparent reason every two days.G No entry in the OPA0 nor in any Pathworks event log file. There are twoc6 dumpfiles in PWRK$LMROOT:[LANMAN.LOGS]PWRK$LMMCP.DMP;2  ' Has anybody had any similar behaviour ?    Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 03 10:57:49 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ( Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft virus warning) Message-ID: <R3NP+nRoFTlp@elias.decus.ch>o  b In article <3E8602ED.C5A8405D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:M > Got an official looking Email , supposedly from Microsoft, advising me that T > the email contained important security patches to be applied to internet explorer. >c  . I've been getting similar for a few weeks now.   L > This, of course, is a spam when you carefully look at the headers, and godG > only knows what that .exe really does (for some reason, the VMS imagee1 > activator doesn't seem to be able to run it :-)r >   H DUMP works well on these. The ones I have looked at show use of registry routines and the like.  K > If you have a large number of users, you might want to warn them of this.2  L Someone tried to do that yesterday. I received an email warning me about it,B also CC'd to a long list of addresses I recognize as posters here.   -- 9
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 05:18:41 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>v( Subject: RE: OT: Microsoft virus warning9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEGMGOAA.tom@kednos.com>o   >-----Original Message-----e1 >From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch] & >Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:58 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) >Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft virus warningn >s >e9 >In article <3E8602ED.C5A8405D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezeir* ><jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:= >> Got an official looking Email , supposedly from Microsoft,t >advising me thateB >> the email contained important security patches to be applied to >internet explorer.> >> > / >I've been getting similar for a few weeks now.a > < >> This, of course, is a spam when you carefully look at the >headers, and godiH >> only knows what that .exe really does (for some reason, the VMS image2 >> activator doesn't seem to be able to run it :-) >> >aI >DUMP works well on these. The ones I have looked at show use of registryb >routines and the like.i  " You can use DUMP on an MSDOS file?   >tL >> If you have a large number of users, you might want to warn them of this. > C >Someone tried to do that yesterday. I received an email warning mey
 >about it,C >also CC'd to a long list of addresses I recognize as posters here.u >n >--> >Paul Stures >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.'; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).IA >Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003r >  ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 03 16:02:09 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)-( Subject: RE: OT: Microsoft virus warning) Message-ID: <5yhL3HSWmz96@elias.decus.ch>e  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEGMGOAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:> >  >  >>-----Original Message-----2 >>From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]' >>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:58 AMo >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come* >>Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft virus warning >> >>: >>In article <3E8602ED.C5A8405D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei+ >><jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:o> >>> Got an official looking Email , supposedly from Microsoft, >>advising me thatC >>> the email contained important security patches to be applied tos >>internet explorer. >>>  >>0 >>I've been getting similar for a few weeks now. >>= >>> This, of course, is a spam when you carefully look at the  >>headers, and godI >>> only knows what that .exe really does (for some reason, the VMS image 3 >>> activator doesn't seem to be able to run it :-)  >>>r >>J >>DUMP works well on these. The ones I have looked at show use of registry >>routines and the like. > $ > You can use DUMP on an MSDOS file? >   F Why not? If the offending mail arrives on a VMS system (which this oneG did), I can extract the mail to file, then run MIME (yuk) against it tot= export the attachment(s), then use DUMP to see what's inside.t   -- t
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2003 11:16:47 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>, Subject: Re: problems with accountn.dat file6 Message-ID: <20030330111647.16359.qmail@gacracker.org>  8 On 29 Mar 03, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:   >> "Jorge V.S." wrote:  M >>>         Last month we noticed that our accounting file doesn't recorderedd! >>> anything  for tow days, why ?r  # >Rather than renaming the file, uset >e >	$ SET ACCOUNTING /NEW_FILE  > >> HELP SET ACCOUNTING will give you more information as well.   <additional>  I Ideally, set up to do this daily or weekly depending on the file size andh$ type of queries you usually perform.  E *DO NOT* set a version limit on the file. Instead use DELETE with thehC /BEFORE qualifier to remove old versions that have aged out of your. retention period.    Eg.o  < $! Open new accounting file daily and delete those > 7 days. $!, $ retain        = f$cvtime("-7-","ABSOLUTE") $ SET ACCOUNTING /NEW_FILEE $ DELETE/ERASE SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]accountng.dat;*/BEFORE="''retain'"   
 </additional>e     Doc. -- t: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:14:52 -0400k0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Structure of  the TCPIP Services group-/ Message-ID: <3E87260A.77ECE888@vl.videotron.ca>e   "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:M > I absolutely enjoy being able to work while tanning down by the pool ... ini > the summer, of course.    S How is the group that maintains/develop the  TCPIP Services product structured ????t  K Seems that one person is located on a beach on the Gold Coast of Australia,tM while the other is located next to his pool in a place where there is winter.i  J What is the history behind the group ? Was it formed/merged from differentM groups that were in different locations ? In how many locations is that groupoF split/distributed ? Do specific locations have specific tasks (coding,F testing, documentation) or do specific locations have specific product* responsabilities (kernel, SMTP, FTP etc ?)  K I know that the former ALL-IN-1 group has donated and maintains some of thebJ mail applications such as the IMAP server. And they're in Reading England.N (they are offloading actual ALL-IN-1 support/maintenance to Bangalore, India).  N Here is my concern: the structuring of the whole product, notably the locationH of files, could do with a major cleanup. I don't like having hundreds ofN thousands of files in SYS$MANAGER for instance. Is there some central locationE that orchestrates all of the product, or is there a certain degree of  independance ?  K For instance, the DHCP GUI for TCPIP 5.3 has a broken help facility: it has J all the help topics, but each one tells you to go lookup www.join.com, butJ that site no longer exists.  What is the future of that application if the0 company that wrote it has gone out of business ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:06:19 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com0I Subject: SYSTARTUP_VMS (was: Three questions re: the VMS startup process)91 Message-ID: <03033011061939@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>A  = In regards to the problems of LAT not starting up properly...0  I I have made our startup routines modular and submit them to a batch queue0( during the normal VMS startup procedure.  K In SYLOGICALS I mount needed disk drives and execute all command files thatSL have a file naming convention of *$LOGICALS.COM;  This allows me to maintainK related logicals (i.e., LAT, TCPIP, applicaiton, etc.) in one command file.rL So rather than modify a SYLOGICALS.COM procedure that has become 3,000 linesK long, I can easily update a small command file.  It is much easier to work RL with 10 or 20 lines rather than the combined 3,000 lines of code.  I use the1 f$search to locate and execute the command files.T  L In SYSTARTUP_VMS I delete & create a startup batch queue (job limit = 1) andJ submit in order each startup process (mount disks, DECnet, TCPIP, PW, LAT,N applications, etc) with path directed /log qualifier.  This allows me to loginO to our server during the boot process (obviously after SYLOGICALS has executed)TN and subsequently monitor the startup process.  I also allow provissions in theM startup process to allow DECnet only to start (what I call a service level). l  I So what does it have to do with LAT?  This method allows me to review the O output of the LAT startup in the log file generated during the startup process.r  I It also allows for a faster boot time.  Do not have time reference pointsgM however I believe I have seen 50% faster boot times.  The reason is that mostbK startup output ends up in a file rather than a VT terminal (or printer).  IoK recently converted our parent company VMS cluster to this method.  The orignO startup process had everything executed (@) in the SYLOGICALS and SYSTARTUP_VMSuO and it was very difficult to review the errors being generated on the VT screenoM - that when combined with all OPCOM traffic and such.  We now can go back andw fix the problems.t  L Just my thoughts... (OK, so it is Sunday and I have nothing better to do...)   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratort Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 03 12:09:09 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masqueradingo) Message-ID: <DO6RExy5fItK@elias.decus.ch>e  f In article <3E85ECA4.50C8E504@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > Paul Sture wrote:u >>  j >> In article <Iqhha.31228$k8.905471@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:/ >> > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote: D >> > : The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ? >> > : >> > : However...a >> > :J >> > : At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which is connectedJ >> > : to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services 5.3) and aN >> > : Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum - stuff,M >> > : but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it's hdd - I < >> > : need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-) >> > :I >> > : Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate tocG >> > : their gateway. While at home I'm always using my OpenVMS desktop J >> > : box, however at the same time I would like to use my laptop to workG >> > : on OpenVMS/Tru64 systems at work (or the box at home)/browse theeG >> > : internet/whatever while moving to another chair for watching TV,fG >> > : eating, laying in bed, etc. No, I don't really want to buy a NATn >> > : box., >> > : >> >K >> > Any reason why you don't want to buy a DSL/Cable router like a Linksysl! >> > BEFSR41 or a Netgear RP614 ?  >> t( >> Because he's got a _cable_ modem? :-) >>  G >> Seriously though, a router is the easiest solution and allows you to F >> do the above anywhere around the house end even outside, subject to( >> cable length (30 metres does for me). >> m > G > Unless you get a wireless router and use a wireless connection in ther > laptop... works for me.. >3  = How secure are these devices and what distance do they cover?e  E My laptop is an Apple iBook, which no doubt limits the hardware I can H choose. It would be nice to avoid posting the cable through the bathroom window to work outside :-)   > J > And as previously stated, use a Linksys or ... Router and have it do theA > authentication.   I currently have 1 VMS, 1 Linux, 2 laptops (1nD > wireless) and 3 PC's (2 of those are wireless) on a 4-Port LinksysG > Router + Wireless + additional 8-port Hub on DSL.  I did have 2 linux E > boxes, but one of those went toes up after I moved.  I have had thehI > BEFSR41 for several years and have updated the firmware on an as neededi > basis.  Very simple to do...           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^o  J And _very_ important too, depending on the make and model. The most recentD firmware update I applied not only included miscellaneous fixes, but) a much more comprehensive set of filters.t  C It is also important for DSL routers to get the firmware applicable  for _your_ country & telco.d   --  
 Paul Sture= Message read in bedroom, answer posted on balcony, VMS systemn# in my den doing some downloads. :-)m   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:08:12 GMTc; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>*/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading-= Message-ID: <0wFha.23688$TW2.3719833@news1.news.adelphia.net>r  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:DO6RExy5fItK@elias.decus.ch....C > In article <3E85ECA4.50C8E504@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austinu$ <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > > Paul Sture wrote:  > >>> > >> In article <Iqhha.31228$k8.905471@twister.austin.rr.com>,- LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:a1 > >> > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote: F > >> > : The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ? > >> > : > >> > : However...r > >> > :L > >> > : At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which is connectedL > >> > : to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services 5.3) and aI > >> > : Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum -s stuff,G > >> > : but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it'sI hdd - Io> > >> > : need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-) > >> > :K > >> > : Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate to*I > >> > : their gateway. While at home I'm always using my OpenVMS desktopdL > >> > : box, however at the same time I would like to use my laptop to workI > >> > : on OpenVMS/Tru64 systems at work (or the box at home)/browse theeI > >> > : internet/whatever while moving to another chair for watching TV,tI > >> > : eating, laying in bed, etc. No, I don't really want to buy a NATi
 > >> > : box.i > >> > : > >> >E > >> > Any reason why you don't want to buy a DSL/Cable router like a, Linksyso# > >> > BEFSR41 or a Netgear RP614 ?i > >>* > >> Because he's got a _cable_ modem? :-) > >>I > >> Seriously though, a router is the easiest solution and allows you toeH > >> do the above anywhere around the house end even outside, subject to* > >> cable length (30 metres does for me). > >> > >yI > > Unless you get a wireless router and use a wireless connection in thew > > laptop... works for me.. > >a > ? > How secure are these devices and what distance do they cover?* >*G > My laptop is an Apple iBook, which no doubt limits the hardware I can J > choose. It would be nice to avoid posting the cable through the bathroom > window to work outside :-) >7 > >1L > > And as previously stated, use a Linksys or ... Router and have it do theC > > authentication.   I currently have 1 VMS, 1 Linux, 2 laptops (1oF > > wireless) and 3 PC's (2 of those are wireless) on a 4-Port LinksysI > > Router + Wireless + additional 8-port Hub on DSL.  I did have 2 linuxaG > > boxes, but one of those went toes up after I moved.  I have had therK > > BEFSR41 for several years and have updated the firmware on an as neededx  > > basis.  Very simple to do... >           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^t >rL > And _very_ important too, depending on the make and model. The most recentF > firmware update I applied not only included miscellaneous fixes, but+ > a much more comprehensive set of filters.A >AE > It is also important for DSL routers to get the firmware applicable  > for _your_ country & telco.  >  > -- > Paul Sture? > Message read in bedroom, answer posted on balcony, VMS systemF% > in my den doing some downloads. :-)E  K I absolutely enjoy being able to work while tanning down by the pool ... inA the summer, of course.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:08:15 GMTO; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>D/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading = Message-ID: <3wFha.23689$TW2.3719947@news1.news.adelphia.net>   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E864617.DD1DF0E4@fsi.net...S > Patrick Young wrote: > > A > > The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ?  > >  > > However... > >#G > > At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which is connectedoG > > to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services 5.3) and aIK > > Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum - stuff,IJ > > but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it's hdd - I9 > > need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-)  > > F > > Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate to > > their gateway. [snip]. >%H > Then a broadband router/firewall would be ideal for you. One device  -B > the router - authenticates to your ISP (probably PPPoE) and thenH > provides NAT to the rest of your home LAN. Smaller, cheaper and easier; > to run than another entire computer just for routing/NAT.  > F > I use the dial-up equivalent here, a 3com 56K LANmodem and have fiveF > computers on-line, six when you include the laptop my group just got > from work.  I The 3COM LANmodem has one nice feature that I wish the LinkSys had -- its(K own DNS.  The 3COM is a "dial on demand" router and, with its own DNS built@J in, DHCPs leases are recorded as well as the ability to define a series ofG static addresses for non-DHCP devices as well.  I don't believe that itl caches lookups, though.f   >t > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:14:49 -0800E# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>,/ Subject: RE: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEHAGOAA.tom@kednos.com>e   >-----Original Message-----EA >From: John Gemignani, Jr. [mailto:jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net]-% >Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:08 AM0 >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading >  >u >e7 >"Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message $ >news:DO6RExy5fItK@elias.decus.ch...D >> In article <3E85ECA4.50C8E504@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin% ><maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:e >> > Paul Sture wrote: >> >> ? >> >> In article <Iqhha.31228$k8.905471@twister.austin.rr.com>, . >LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:2 >> >> > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:G >> >> > : The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ?w	 >> >> > :  >> >> > : However...	 >> >> > : C >> >> > : At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which isl
 >connectedB >> >> > : to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services >5.3) and amJ >> >> > : Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum - >stuff,wH >> >> > : but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it's >hdd - I? >> >> > : need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-)P	 >> >> > :IL >> >> > : Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate toJ >> >> > : their gateway. While at home I'm always using my OpenVMS desktop> >> >> > : box, however at the same time I would like to use my >laptop to worksJ >> >> > : on OpenVMS/Tru64 systems at work (or the box at home)/browse theJ >> >> > : internet/whatever while moving to another chair for watching TV,J >> >> > : eating, laying in bed, etc. No, I don't really want to buy a NAT >> >> > : box.	 >> >> > :n >> >> >fF >> >> > Any reason why you don't want to buy a DSL/Cable router like a >Linksys$ >> >> > BEFSR41 or a Netgear RP614 ? >> >>s+ >> >> Because he's got a _cable_ modem? :-)t >> >>cJ >> >> Seriously though, a router is the easiest solution and allows you toI >> >> do the above anywhere around the house end even outside, subject tou+ >> >> cable length (30 metres does for me).. >> >>- >> >J >> > Unless you get a wireless router and use a wireless connection in the >> > laptop... works for me..u >> > >>@ >> How secure are these devices and what distance do they cover? >>H >> My laptop is an Apple iBook, which no doubt limits the hardware I canK >> choose. It would be nice to avoid posting the cable through the bathroomb >> window to work outside :-)o >> >> >C >> > And as previously stated, use a Linksys or ... Router and haveR
 >it do theD >> > authentication.   I currently have 1 VMS, 1 Linux, 2 laptops (1G >> > wireless) and 3 PC's (2 of those are wireless) on a 4-Port Linksys J >> > Router + Wireless + additional 8-port Hub on DSL.  I did have 2 linuxH >> > boxes, but one of those went toes up after I moved.  I have had theL >> > BEFSR41 for several years and have updated the firmware on an as needed! >> > basis.  Very simple to do...O >>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>A >> And _very_ important too, depending on the make and model. The0 >most recentG >> firmware update I applied not only included miscellaneous fixes, but , >> a much more comprehensive set of filters. >>F >> It is also important for DSL routers to get the firmware applicable >> for _your_ country & telco. >> >> -- 
 >> Paul Sture @ >> Message read in bedroom, answer posted on balcony, VMS system& >> in my den doing some downloads. :-) > L >I absolutely enjoy being able to work while tanning down by the pool ... in >the summer, of course.   ; Well that should provide future business for dermatologistsu >c >R >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.-; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).iA >Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003e >f ---C& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:02:58 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading0/ Message-ID: <3E872341.5E69BEF3@vl.videotron.ca>    Paul Sture wrote:i? > Message read in bedroom, answer posted on balcony, VMS system % > in my den doing some downloads. :-)n  ( Bragging about how big your antenna is ?   :-) :-) :-)a   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 03 11:12:04 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)r8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process) Message-ID: <maW+beIuxlgu@elias.decus.ch>,  [ In article <3E86360E.35886CBF@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:s > Paul Sture wrote:e >>  e >> In article <843706dc.0303281351.4d29d18c@posting.google.com>, horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) writes:-H >> > What I do to know what the systartup_vms.com file does, is have theJ >> > output go to a log file, then I can look at it after the system is up/ >> > and try to figure out what the problem is:$ >> >* >> > At the begining of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM: >> >, >> > $! Setup log file for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM= >> > $   If "''STOP_RECURSION'" .NES. "" THEN GOTO DO_STARTUPt  >> > $   STOP_RECURSION == "YES" >> > $   SET VERIFYVR >> > $   @SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM/OUT=SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOG >> > -L >> >         "''P1'","''P2'","''P3'","''P4'","''P5'","''P6'","''P7'","''P8'"B >> > $   PURGE/KEEP=1/NOLOG SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOG >> > $   SET NOVERIFYc
 >> > $   EXITe >> > $DO_STARTUP:i >> > $ SET NOON  >> bH >> Sorry, I don't like that. For a start, you will have to re-apply yourH >> edits each time SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM is updated on an updgrade, possibly >> even some future ECO. > 8 > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM is not replaced on an upgrade. A newH > SYSTARTUP_VMS.TEMPLATE is provided, but the existing SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM > is left untouched... >'  ? Well spotted. What I wrote applies to the likes of STARTUP.COM.u  a2 > ...since about V5.3 or so, as I recall (IIRC)... >   @ Over the course of the years I have found it useful to visit theB .TEMPLATE files after an upgrade to see what's in them. I see thatA my SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE is dated 18-JUN-2001 and IIRC this was therA first one which contained a full list of logical names associateda3 with cluster operations (SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST et al).r   -- b
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:25:16 -0600 , From: Gary L. Ross <rossgl@parknicollet.com>@ Subject: Re: VMS Software Product & Online Documentation Library8 Message-ID: <kv9e8v0phaavrqai341fb0om7haqat4it5@4ax.com>  F On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:31:29 -0600, Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net> wrote:   >David J. Dachtera wrote:t >> "Gary L. Ross" wrote: >> iF >>>I have all the CD's for VMS Software Product & Online DocumentationE >>>Library for Alpha and Vax.  How much retention time is recommendedRG >>>for these CD updates??  1 year? 5 years? Since day 1?  I'm trying towC >>>do some "housekeeping" on the manuals and media we have for VMS.d >> m >>  F >> I'd recommend keeping as many versions of the media as you have theH >> space for. Many software products have been dropped from the SPL (fkaC >> "CONDIST"), and can only be found on older issues of the media. e >> oJ >> A colleague and former co-worker recently remarkd that he needs to findE >> his Polycenter Console Manager media. PCM was dropped from the SPLo' >> shortly after it was hijacked by CA.O >>   >WH >I'll second that.  We still have some customers on older VMS versions, I >and at least a couple times a year I find myself delving into the older i8 >CONDISTS to find a specific prior version of a product. >aG >Also note that the older distributions can still bring a few bucks on rJ >Ebay if you want to spend the time; if not, as others have mentioned, it J >would still be a good deed to try and make them available to someone who  >can still use them. >l >Rich Jordan  D I'll compile of list of what we're throwing out and post it here.  I< would much rather see someone be able to use them instead ofC putting them into a landfill.  Thanks for all the feedback on this.T   Gary L. Ross Park Nicollet Health Services.  B P.S.  I know we have several PCM CD's that are in the "get rid of" pile.r   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 03 11:24:30 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) B Subject: Re: Which PAK for DECNET Phase IV under Hobbyist Program?) Message-ID: <hOzUS6Ee9NNX@elias.decus.ch>b  [ In article <3E864163.6162CC81@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:p > Paul Sture wrote:e >> la >> In article <slrnb8b820.qg.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>, Dan Foster <dsf@globalcrossing.net> writes:wI >> > Thanks to all who followed up. I registered and loaded DVNETEND, andoP >> > then installed DECNET Phase IV, started it, added proxy entries. EverythingM >> > appears to be working great. This is a single system, no other VMS boxesiB >> > or routing needed so it's no great loss not to have DVNETRTG. >> >L >> > Just curious about something...the Hobbyist program also provides a PAK* >> > called DVNETEXT. What's that one for? >> > >>  * >> I believe that is for DECnet-Plus. From: >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/6496/6496pro.HTML >> aO >> "The specific license required on your system is determined by the functionsc >> you want to use:M >>  I >> o - Basic function license (DVNETEND) --- provides end system support.l >> vN >> o - Extended function license (DVNETEXT) for Alpha systems --- provides endI >>     system support, DECdts server, cluster alias, and OSI applicationsc >>     gateways. >> -L >> o - Extended function license (DVNETRTG) for VAX systems --- provides endK >>     system support, DECdns server, DECdts server, cluster alias, and OSIa >>     applications gateways.  > J > AFAIK, (I'll see if I can unearth the DECnet-IV doc.'s), DVNETEXT serves > these purposes:  > H > On VAX, it permits a VAX executor to function as router within an areaB > (synchronous links to remote LANs, etc.) A VAX area routing node > requires the DVNETRTG PAK. > H > On Alpha, DVNETEXT permits mutliple DECnet lines/circuits to be active9 > simultaneously (DECnet Alpha does not provide routing).a > 5 > ...again AFAIK. I am open to correction, of course.  > B I dug out the above quote by plugging DVNETEXT into the search boxC at www.openvms.compaq.com. The results included quite a few ask the A Wizard topics, one of which pointed at the SPDs as the definitivee place to look.  C I seem to remember the last time I went hunting for SPDs I ended upi@ going in circles, so I'll admit to chickening out at that point.   -- o
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