1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 611       Contents:= Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS? = Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS? = Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS? = Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS? = Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS?  Re: cluster load balancing$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting Re: Copy of SuperLat3 CSWS (Apache) CGI: TEST-CGI-VMS.COM, TEST-CGI-VMS.C . Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch HP news from Brazil I RE: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (br	owser)? D In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (browser)?H Re: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (browser)?* Re: Intergrity server first boot (windoze)* Re: Intergrity server first boot (windoze)/ Re: LINK-I-DATMISMCH: something to worry about?  Re: Mozilla 1.5 for OpenVMS?! Re: newbie problem installing VMS ! Re: newbie problem installing VMS  newbie problem installing VMS ! Re: newbie problem installing VMS " Re: OpenVMS, Itanium and Blades... Re: OpenVMS, NAS, Shadowing.... 0 Re: patches for Radeon for older versions of VMS0 Re: patches for Radeon for older versions of VMS* Production of PowerPC just got a big boost. RE: Production of PowerPC just got a big boost. Re: Production of PowerPC just got a big boost Re: Show Memory/phys' Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade ' Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade  Re: SMTP Performance Problem Re: SMTP Performance Problem Re: Text library extensions  Re: Text library extensions 0 Re: UK source of 800/1600 BPI SCSI reel to reel?< Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloria  VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again1 X file selection dialog: display file name only ? 5 Re: X file selection dialog: display file name only ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:33:11 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>F Subject: Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS?4 Message-ID: <3fa6ad84$0$27018$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  P The FutureVAX is a piece of HP hardware running XP and SRI's CHARON-VAX/XL Plus Q for Windows. So you can install CHARON-VAX on any WinTel box and you'll get more   or less the same result.  M The *big* difference is in the parameters tuning. A FutureVAX is a kind of a  N real VAX, you boot and you work. If you purchase CHARON-VAX alone you have to Q tailor it first before using VMS efficiently. I know of a Customer who installed  K it by himself for evaluation purposes and he was not happy at all with the  O results (frequent windoz reboots and so on). A CHARON-VAX reseller came to the  N Customer's place, upgraded the software, then tuned it, then the Customer was ' *very* happy and actually purchased it.    D.   VAXman- wrote:  P > Can you make it run on an Alpha iBook?  I would consider purchase but I *will* > NEVER purchase Billywarez.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:40:04 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS?0 Message-ID: <00A285A0.D7A79327@SendSpamHere.ORG>  v In article <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0311031202020.8565@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>, Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > O >alpha ibook? i thought the only alpha portables ever made were the very short- : >lived alphabook from tadpole. i'd _love_ an alpha laptop! >  >isildur >  >>Q >> Can you make it run on an Alpha iBook?  I would consider purchase but I *will*  >> NEVER purchase Billywarez.   / Ooops... How did that "alpha" get in there.  ;)   J It should also say PowerBook, not iBook.  I keep referring to the thing as	 an iBook.  --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:44:24 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>F Subject: Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS?) Message-ID: <3FA6BE20.E99C53A2@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > Q > The FutureVAX is a piece of HP hardware running XP and SRI's CHARON-VAX/XL Plus R > for Windows. So you can install CHARON-VAX on any WinTel box and you'll get more > or less the same result.  K If running VMS on 8086s is becoming so important, how come Charon-VAX still 3 needs to run over something as bloated as windows ?   N At one point, wouldn't it become better to have it run over a barebone OS suchH as Linux or even have charon-vax actually be its own OS providing a moreG direct interface between the vax emulated code and the actual harware ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:36:03 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>F Subject: Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS?0 Message-ID: <3FA6C76D.A608BDD0@blueyonder.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Didier Morandi wrote:  > > S > > The FutureVAX is a piece of HP hardware running XP and SRI's CHARON-VAX/XL Plus T > > for Windows. So you can install CHARON-VAX on any WinTel box and you'll get more > > or less the same result. > M > If running VMS on 8086s is becoming so important, how come Charon-VAX still 5 > needs to run over something as bloated as windows ?  > P > At one point, wouldn't it become better to have it run over a barebone OS suchJ > as Linux or even have charon-vax actually be its own OS providing a moreI > direct interface between the vax emulated code and the actual harware ?   Q The danger is you forget that your VMS system is running on top of a considerably  less secure platform.    :-). --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2003 15:37:38 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) F Subject: Re: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, but what about VAX/VMS?3 Message-ID: <qB941V7yCghD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FA6BE20.E99C53A2@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >  > a barebone OS such as Linux   D    You can't say that and keep a straight face at the same time, can    you? 
           8-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:50:00 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> # Subject: Re: cluster load balancing : Message-ID: <stEpb.105821$832.87108@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   Axel:   I The activity that you have described is correct for a Cluster Alias.  The K cluster alias only "lives" on one node of the cluster.  We use this to send E our inbound/outbound Foreign Systems Interface (FSI) traffic to an IP F address that we do not have to change if one of the production cluster1 members dies.  It is NOT used for load balancing.   K If you do a TCPIP SHO INTER/CLUSTER, you will see the Alias definition, and  if it is active on that system.   = Axel Haringa <axel.haringa@nl.compuware.com> wrote in message 6 news:newscache$o2xrnh$my2$1@news.emea.compuware.com... > Hello, > L > I've got a question on cluster configurations and I hardly have experience' > with that, so someone may be of help:  > I > I set up a 2 machine cluster of equal machines using tcpip (alpha 7.31, H > tcpip5.3 on 10mb) and configured a cluster alias. As far as I can findL > information, it should be possible to have the cluster act as one host, atJ > this way being able to do 'load balancing' by spreading connections over the 
 > cluster. > L > Sofar the theory. In practice this does work, but only when one of the twoJ > machines becomes unresponsive. In all other cases I repeatedly end up on the K > same machine as I first connected to. (when I telnet to the cluster alias H > Sachem, I get connected to system Elfin, when I shut down Elfin, I get > connected to Satyr)  > G > Can anyone help me with this problem or maybe point me out a location  where K > I can find more info on this subject? The info I have now is as available  inJ > the tcpip services manual and (scarcely) on the open vms cluster systems	 > manual.  >  >  >  >  > thanks in advance, >  > Axel Haringa >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:07:31 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>- Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting + Message-ID: <bo6g2k$jdr$1@news01.intel.com>    Rob Young wrote:  = > 	I'm trying to determine a way to find out concurrent users  > 	at a certain time.    > F > 	Question:  Using accounting how to get concurrent users at 10 a.m.? > E > 	I'm lacking the insight today and don't feel like grinding it out.  >  etc. ...  < 	DECps can give this info directly.   I know, I know, CA now3   owns DECps and it's too pricey for most people...   4 	Didn't VSM Engineering include some other company's>   performance product in recent versions of VMS, "EPS" or some?   such?  Perhaps this metric could be retrieved with that tool.    	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2003 21:09 CST. From: carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) Subject: Re: Copy of SuperLat 3 Message-ID: <3NOV200321093962@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>   + memnon@mail.com (Memnon Emmanuel) writes...  }> >> }> >>Amazing. Your environment's net-folks still tolerate LAT? } G }Unfortunatley it's the only route possible for our clinet with his VMS  }legacy application. }  }    }> >M }> >>Note sure what SuperLAT would do for you that can't be served some other J }> >>way. Maybe if you describe your quandry in some detail, other posters$ }> >>might have a suggestion or two. }  }Let me elaborate... } A }The VMS application in question uses a third party queing system G }(nonDEC) for sending and managing printing jobs to LAT ports directly. C }This application cannot be modified. That means all print jobs are + }sent to specific LAT ports (LTA1000: etc.)  } C }All was fine and well untill the Greek (both us and our client are G }from Greece) IRS decided that every invoice printed had to be verified < }by a 'black box device' that sits on a serial port on a PC. } G }What this means is that whatever invoicing applicaiton environment you E }may have, must now print through a serial port on a PC!! I know what ) }you must be thinking but this is true!!!  } @ }Anyway we tested with Pathworks 7.1 but pathworks has abandoned3 }printing to LAT ports since version 6.x (I think).  } C }So it was either getting our hands on a pre 7 version of Pathworks A }(which we haven't found yet) or SuperLAT which is a very elegant G }solution to our very strange problem since it will sit on a PC serving , }PC printers as LAT printers to VMS systems. }  } ? }Anyway, any other ideas are welcome for this peculiar problem.  } 	 }Thanks,   }memnon.   Two possibiltieis...  F Is there some particular reason that you can't define the old LAT portH names to be logical names pointing at some other print queue that prints via TCP/IP?    Something along the lines of:   ( $ define/system LTA1000 queue_for_form_a( $ define/system LTA1001 queue_for_form_b  ( and so on for each of the old LTA ports.  B There are probably ways to print that will make this fail to work,? but it might work OK and if it does it is probably the easiest.   F As a second option, you should be able to create "fake" LTA ports thatE are set to be spooled to a print queue. This is not much harder to do C than the logical name method, but a little harder to understand. It B does create actual LTA devices, but when you send stuff to them itF never touches LAT. You'd do something like this in your system startup files:   $ latcp := $ latcp $ latcp create port lta1000: $ latcp create port lta1001: [...] < $ set device/spool=(queue_for_form_a,sys$sysdevice) lta1000:< $ set device/spool=(queue_for_form_b,sys$sysdevice) lta1001: [...]   B This (hopefully) works because by setting the device to be spooledA anything sent to that device is sent ("spooled") to the specified B queue instead of whatever it would normally do (the disk specifiedC in the spool qualfier is where the data is temporarily stored while  waiting to be printed).   D Again, it may be possible for the application to do things that willD cause this to not work. It might work if the first method doesn't asI there are actual LTA devices involved (which should allow the application E to check them for existance and see what their properties are and get  the expected results).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:42:06 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org< Subject: CSWS (Apache) CGI: TEST-CGI-VMS.COM, TEST-CGI-VMS.C) Message-ID: <03110322420627@antinode.org>   >    In case anyone cares, the lists of environment variables in. [CSWS.APACHE.SRC.OS.OPENVMS]TEST-CGI-VMS.C andE APACHE$COMMON:[CGI-BIN]TEST-CGI-VMS.COM do not agree.  The variable I H was looking for most recently, HTTP_REFERER, was in only TEST-CGI-VMS.C,C where it was spelled "HTTP_REFERRER", which does not work nearly so  well.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode,org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:42:18 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch + Message-ID: <bo6i3q$kcu$1@news01.intel.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:   c > In article <saatpvsncifud61vm3ij3l968ffv2aejbe@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes: 6 > :On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:55:42 -0800, Rick Millhollin0 > :<rickm.REMOVE-THIS-NOSPAM@uoregon.edu> wrote: > : C > :>I'm running VMS 7.3-1 and MultiNet 4.4 on several clustered and F > :>stand-alone systems.  In the past with 7.3 I've been able to run aI > :>batch job that adjusts the time via a combination of MultiNet actions D > :>and executing UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM with no interactive input.   >  > L >   In concert with the OpenVMS Engineer that is maintaining the TDF commandK >   procedures, I've tried to document how to do this stuff in the FAQ, and K >   one of the key  pieces listed in the FAQ is a request to not (directly) / >   invoke the UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM procedure.   : 	Indeed you have, but you (as in the OVMS Engineering team= responsible for TDF and time change issues) have not, AFAICT, $ provided an adequate substitute. :-(  9 	As others have noted, certain manufacturing environments A cannot tolerate a "jump" backwards in time at all.  Instead, time A synchronization processes (DTSS or NTP, for example) are disabled @ at an appropriate time.  Then an unsupported program is run thatC slows the system clock for a certain number of ticks such that when A the program terminates some 4 hours (real time) later, the system C clock has accumulated only 3 hours.  (In the fall, the system clock B can be sped up and accumulates 5 hours over 4 "real" hours of wall clock time.)  9 	The problem for us is to change the TDF in memory on all A systems (EXE$GQ_TDF) prior to restarting DTSS.  If we don't, DTSS > "jumps" the clock, then "discovers" it is an hour off from theD DTSS server systems and _slowly_ starts to catch the clocks back up. :-(   8 	Now, not having been given an adequate tool in the past4 that can be run via SYSMAN (I will NOT @Sys$Manager:A UTC$SETUP_TIMEZONE.COM on each of 15 systems by hand!), a sort of @ reverse engineering found that UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM did the job: (as can be seen by examination of UTC$SETUP_TIMEZONE.COM).  5 	With VMS 7.3-1, UTC$SET_TIMEZONE.COM was replaced by > UTC$SETUP_TIME.COM and it _appears_ that the latter still runs> UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.EXE, but now without going the the external B procedure UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM.  In other words, it still appears? that UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.EXE is present, functional and required. C I also note that UTC$SETUP_TIME.COM creates an auxiliary procedure, C Sys$Startup:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM.  The latter procedure seems to be  D coupled to DTSS (since it installs one DTSS image and runs another).5 But almost the identical code exists in Sys$Startup:  B DTSS$UTC_STARTUP.COM!  And please note that use of either of theseC procedures has the potential to JUMP the system clock under certain ? circumstances!  (I have personal knowledge of this... :-( :-( )   = 	So despite your warnings against doing so, we have built our C time change procedures around UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM as we've had no * better way to accomplish what we required.    I >   Have you considered using the example DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM procedure?   = 	As noted above, sites which cannot tolerate a "jump" in time @ cannot use DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM nor AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV.  Full stop.    ? N.B.  As of VMS 7.3-1, SYS$MANAGER:UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM has an B        "EXIT 2" near the top of the procedure to "discourage" use,?        as does SYS$MANAGER:UTC$SETUP_TIMEZONE.COM.  On those of A        our systems now at 7.3-1, we've needed to comment-out that 5        early exit in order to maintain functionality.    	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:21:11 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch ) Message-ID: <3FA6D4C9.503DCDC0@istop.com>    Ken Fairfield wrote:B >         As others have noted, certain manufacturing environmentsC > cannot tolerate a "jump" backwards in time at all.  Instead, time C > synchronization processes (DTSS or NTP, for example) are disabled B > at an appropriate time.  Then an unsupported program is run thatE > slows the system clock for a certain number of ticks such that when C > the program terminates some 4 hours (real time) later, the system % > clock has accumulated only 3 hours.   L However, if timestamp information is important enough that setting the clockG back instantly is not acceptable since for one hour, timestamp would be L "strange", would the same environments tolerate that transactions would haveO the wrong time for a duration of 4 hours while the clock slowly loses an hour ?   L Also, when slowing the clock down for 4 hours to lose one hour, what happensJ to the logical that point to GMT offset ? Is it update at the start of theH process, at the end of the process, or do you continually update it withJ approximations of the changing offset as your clock slowly loses an hour ?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2003 20:15:47 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: HP news from Brazil= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0311032015.77cc3660@posting.google.com>   B Thought of you when I saw these news items, Fabio.  From Interex's) InsideHP e-mail newsletter, Nov. 4, 2003:  --- E WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT?: According to a Reuters report, HP is D teaming with McDonald's in Brazil to give Internet addicts a happierC meal. McDonald's "McInternet" service is already available at 75 of ; the fast food outlets in the country, but will be ready for E consumption in the remainder of its 584 sites in Brazil by the middle C of 2004. The fast food joints will have an average of four PCs with A high-speed Internet access each available to anyone who buys some  food.   A IN OTHER BRAZILIAN NEWS: HP has opened a research and development ? center at the Catholic University (PUC-RS) in Porto Alegre, the F capital of Brazil's Rio Grande do Sul state, Valor Economico reported.> The center will host 80 HP researchers and 70 members of PUC'sA technology management agency (Tecnopuc), which focuses on digital > printing, algorithms for testing software and high-performance# computing, Bnamericas.com reported.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:54:15 +1030: From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>R Subject: RE: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (br	owser)?N Message-ID: <E829CF9B8F94014887EBC61E1951B0CE9E7539@sagemshs001.fmc.sa.gov.au>  J There is an environment variable (symbol) called REMOTE_ADDR which has the3 IP of the client as it's value...check out the file & apache$root:[cgi-bin]test-cgi-vms.com.   Cheers,  Chris    > -----Original Message-----2 > From: sms@antinode.org [mailto:sms@antinode.org]& > Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:25 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com D > Subject: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client > (browser)? >  > 6 >    I'm working on a CGI program to deal with a form  > submission (method == > "POST") in CSWS (Apache) 1.2.  (Compaq TCP/IP Services for   > OpenVMS Alpha ; > Version V5.3 - ECO 2 on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running   > OpenVMS V7.3-1.) > F >    In the CGI program, I'd like to know the IP address of the clientG > (browser) who hit the SUBMIT button.  I don't see anything obvious in H > the logical names or symbols in the CGI process.  Is there some clever. > inquiry I can make on one of the BG devices? > ' >   "APACHE$SHARED_SOCKET" = "_BG8351:"  >         = "_BG8350:"> >   "APACHE$SPECIFIC" = "ALP$DKA0:[CSWS.APACHE.SPECIFIC.ALP.]"$ >   "SYS$COMMAND" [super] = "_BG200"" >   "SYS$ERROR" [super] = "_BG205"" >   "SYS$ERROR" [exec] = "_BG202:"$ >   "SYS$OUTPUT" [super] = "_BG202:"# >   "SYS$OUTPUT" [exec] = "_BG202:"  > 0 >    If so, which and what?  If not, what to do? > @ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:54:40 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.orgM Subject: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (browser)? ) Message-ID: <03110316544060@antinode.org>   H    I'm working on a CGI program to deal with a form submission (method =H "POST") in CSWS (Apache) 1.2.  (Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AlphaI Version V5.3 - ECO 2 on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1.)   D    In the CGI program, I'd like to know the IP address of the clientE (browser) who hit the SUBMIT button.  I don't see anything obvious in F the logical names or symbols in the CGI process.  Is there some clever, inquiry I can make on one of the BG devices?  %   "APACHE$SHARED_SOCKET" = "_BG8351:"          = "_BG8350:"<   "APACHE$SPECIFIC" = "ALP$DKA0:[CSWS.APACHE.SPECIFIC.ALP.]""   "SYS$COMMAND" [super] = "_BG200"    "SYS$ERROR" [super] = "_BG205"    "SYS$ERROR" [exec] = "_BG202:""   "SYS$OUTPUT" [super] = "_BG202:"!   "SYS$OUTPUT" [exec] = "_BG202:"   .    If so, which and what?  If not, what to do?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:26:47 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.orgQ Subject: Re: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (browser)? ) Message-ID: <03110317264724@antinode.org>   : From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>  L > There is an environment variable (symbol) called REMOTE_ADDR which has the5 > IP of the client as it's value...check out the file ( > apache$root:[cgi-bin]test-cgi-vms.com.  G    Ah, yes.  I had looked at it earlier, but I had lapsed into thinking @ that "SHOW SYMBOL *" would show me everything I needed.  Thanks.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:04:56 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>3 Subject: Re: Intergrity server first boot (windoze) ) Message-ID: <3FA6A6D7.67C02E56@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote: Q > The shutdown window read: "Enter below the reason why you want to shutdown this  > system (standalone backup)"   G If HP weren't a slave of Microsoft, it should sue Microsoft for using a $ tradictional VMS user interface. :-)  K However, the above explains why Digital stopped using Standalone backup: it  gave it away to Microsoft :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:27:17 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>3 Subject: Re: Intergrity server first boot (windoze) 4 Message-ID: <3fa6ac20$0$27030$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Didier Morandi wrote:  > Q >>The shutdown window read: "Enter below the reason why you want to shutdown this  >>system (standalone backup)"  >  > I > If HP weren't a slave of Microsoft, it should sue Microsoft for using a & > tradictional VMS user interface. :-) > M > However, the above explains why Digital stopped using Standalone backup: it  > gave it away to Microsoft :-)   P I tell you the truth: I confess that it did not say (standalone backup) between & parenthesis, but I couldn't resist :-)   D.Q PS: Windaube Server 2003 i64 really looks like NT4. Not a new XP version, I tell  0 you. There is even no FTP server software... :-(   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:35:28 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 8 Subject: Re: LINK-I-DATMISMCH: something to worry about?1 Message-ID: <Qdxpb.8271$Vp3.304@news.cpqcorp.net>   w In article <bo41rs$b68$3@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: , :I just got a few LINK-I-DATMISMCH messages.  F   For OpenVMS shareable images, this indicates an error within the ECOG   kit installation; the image was loaded correctly onto the system, but D   the references were not also loaded into the IMAGELIB.OLB library.H   (This is the most common case, where the shareable image is newer than8   the shareable image references found in IMAGELIB.OLB.)  F   Which specific OpenVMS shareable image is involved?  If it is known,<   which ECO kits have been installed since this last worked?  H   I am here assuming this is an OpenVMS ECO kit, but it is also possibleG   that references for local or LPs or third-party shareable images have I   been loaded into IMAGELIB.OLB, and also happen to be skewed between the H   version found in SYS$SHARE: and the references loaded in IMAGELIB.OLB.  G   The fix for most cases of this involving OpenVMS shareable images and E   OpenVMS ECO kits is to use the librarian to load the new image into F   IMAGELIB.OLB.  (Or to load a newer version of OpenVMS or the ECO, of
   course.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:32:37 GMT 0 From: "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@hp.com>% Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.5 for OpenVMS? 2 Message-ID: <9IApb.8312$IV3.8053@news.cpqcorp.net>  * "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de> wrote in message' news:bngj8n$t1v$1@swifty.westend.com... D > 11 days ago, Mozilla 1.5 has been released and there is no 1.5 forJ > OpenVMS. Looks overdue for me. Does anybody know about the next release? >  > Thanx. >  > --I > B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de         Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of them ; > Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchn I > Mozilla-Tips: http://mozilla-anleitung.de/ http://www.holgermetzger.de/  > F > "Auch wenn ich die Funktionsweise dieser Konsole nicht kenne, glaube% > ich nicht, dass sie rauchen sollte"  >   L HP continues to track Mozilla development on OpenVMS and will deliver binaryI kits for selected Mozilla baselevels releases. OpenVMS never committed to J providing every Mozilla baselevel, although we have tended to operate this way in the past.  G Work is underway to make Mozilla 1.5 available, although at this time I ! cannot give a definite timeframe.   H Note that Mozilla is offered "as is" and without support.  The supportedL version of Mozilla on OpenVMS Alpha is the Secure Web Browser, which will be released every 6 to 12 months.  
 John Ferguson . Product Manager for e-Business and Integration OpenVMS Systems    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:50:12 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: newbie problem installing VMS) Message-ID: <3FA6DB93.EF82902B@istop.com>    WiseLYNX wrote: H > DKA200   RZ2       A/2/0/00  DISK       104 MB  FX          RZ23  0A18I > DKA400   RZ4       A/4/0/00  RODISK     547 MB  RM          CDRM0011.0g   ' > $backup dka400:vms072.b /save dka200:  > + > and here is the (unespected) error I get:  > G > %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline.  Mount verification in  > progress.   N One thing you need to add is /IMAGE since you want the B saveset to generate aW bootable dka200 drive. However, the lack of /IMAGE wouldn't generate the error message.   N I find it interesting that it woudln't hang during the standalone backup boot,% but would hang at the backup command.   I One thing you should do is to add the /LOG qualified to backup. This will C display on the screen the progress of the backup command. If Backup J succesfully does copy a few files before hanging, or if Backup hangs rightF away before doing anything else, this would help diagnose the problem.  J I was able to boot with an RRD42 cdrom drive. This is an old SCSI-1 drive.M However, I did have problems booting from a SCSI-I disk drive. VMS would boot I its early stages, then would go into mount verification (the drive didn't H respond to some command and hung). Physically powering off the drive andJ powering it back a few seconds later on would the allow VMS to continue to' boot and it would work fine afterwards.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:17:52 +0100 - From: WiseLYNX <wiselynx.naima@fastwebnet.it> * Subject: Re: newbie problem installing VMS8 Message-ID: <7nBpb.18190$gA.17644@tornado.fastwebnet.it>   JF Mezei wrote:   ' >>$backup dka400:vms072.b /save dka200:  >>+ >>and here is the (unespected) error I get:  >>G >>%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline.  Mount verification in  >>progress. P > One thing you need to add is /IMAGE since you want the B saveset to generate aY > bootable dka200 drive. However, the lack of /IMAGE wouldn't generate the error message. I Tryied with that option also.. nothing changed. But thanks for the hint,  # I'll take care of that next time :)     K > One thing you should do is to add the /LOG qualified to backup. This will E > display on the screen the progress of the backup command. If Backup L > succesfully does copy a few files before hanging, or if Backup hangs rightH > away before doing anything else, this would help diagnose the problem.5 Tryied that also. I got the same error, nothing more.   L > I was able to boot with an RRD42 cdrom drive. This is an old SCSI-1 drive.O > However, I did have problems booting from a SCSI-I disk drive. VMS would boot K > its early stages, then would go into mount verification (the drive didn't J > respond to some command and hung). Physically powering off the drive andL > powering it back a few seconds later on would the allow VMS to continue to) > boot and it would work fine afterwards. I That's really interesting. All my previous trys were done connecting the  G CD drive directly to the VAX, but I could use an external storage.. so  L that I can power off and on it. If I only had some external SCSI cables.. :/  F Thanks very much for the hints, I'll check if tha last works tomorrow / evening, and report back as soon as possible :)    --      Wise	   O  LYNX   8 GPG key: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.ascA MD5 checksum: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.asc.md5    -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1I GE>$/IT/S d+ s: !a>? C++(+++)>$ U P>+ L++>++++ E--- W++ N ?o ?K w-- ?O ?M G ?V>+ PS+ !PE Y+ PGP+ t- ?5 X- R+(*) tv- b+(++)>+++ DI(++) !D G e++ h!*@2 r%>++ y-->+0 ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:31:23 +0100A- From: WiseLYNX <wiselynx.naima@fastwebnet.it> & Subject: newbie problem installing VMS8 Message-ID: <yHApb.18113$gA.16242@tornado.fastwebnet.it>  
 Hi everybody,o  G after a lot of time having this lovable VAXstation 3100 in a corner of  E my room, I at last decided to reinstall VMS on it (since the machine  G once belonged to the university I do attend, the original license died e/ long time ago, and the poor VAX doesn't boot..)   I now, having a copy of OpenVMS 7.3, a hobbist licence, and after a _long_  B search a SCSI CDROM drive, I was trying to install. Following the F instructions I found on the OpenVMS Hobbist page, I did the following:  
  >>> show devIF VMS/VMB  ULTRIX     ADDR     DEVTYP   NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REVF -------  ------   ---------  ------   --------  -----  --  ------  ---$ ESA0     SE0       08-00-2B-16-D7-4D  F DKA200   RZ2       A/2/0/00  DISK       104 MB  FX          RZ23  0A18G DKA400   RZ4       A/4/0/00  RODISK     547 MB  RM          CDRM0011.0gb" ...HostID....      A/6       INITR  F DKB300   RZ11      B/3/0/00  DISK       209 MB  FX          RZ24  211B" ...HostID....      B/6       INITR  H and since now, all right. The disk marked DKA400 is the IBM CDROM, so I  write down:b    >>> boot dka400  E and all goes exactly as expected: the system boots, ask me the date, g1 prints out the available devices, and the prompt:d  6 Available device  DKA200:             device type RZ23? Available device  DKA400:             device type IBM CDRM00103e6 Available device  DKB300:             device type RZ24B %BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is  3-NOV-2003  23:14:24.56A $t  G perfect since now.. still following the directives in the installation e guide, I type down:n  % $backup dka400:vms072.b /save dka200:e  ) and here is the (unespected) error I get:o  F %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline.  Mount verification in 	 progress.   H and the system hangs :( Now, said I have _no_ experience with VMS, so I G don't really know what to do, I tryied searching a bit the Net, hoping 2I in the help of St.Google, but I could not find any related thing (yes, I XF did find something.. but from what I can understand, it applies to an < already working system, not to the installation procedure..)  K Now, the only thing I can do is to hope somebody out there can help me.. :)t  5 Thanks a lot in advance to whomever will try to help.r   -- h    Wise	   O  LYNXb  8 GPG key: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.ascA MD5 checksum: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.asc.md5O   -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1I GE>$/IT/S d+ s: !a>? C++(+++)>$ U P>+ L++>++++ E--- W++ N ?o ?K w-- ?O ?MoG ?V>+ PS+ !PE Y+ PGP+ t- ?5 X- R+(*) tv- b+(++)>+++ DI(++) !D G e++ h!*@e r%>++ y-->+r ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:18:48 -0700t# From: Jim Mehlhop <Jim@mehlhop.org>y* Subject: Re: newbie problem installing VMS* Message-ID: <3FA6F068.5080504@mehlhop.org>  = Everytime I have seen this it was a SCSI termination problem.e  A Either need to add a terminator to the end or remove an internal 0$ terminator in the middle of the bus.   Jime   WiseLYNX wrote:: > JF Mezei wrote:  > ) >>> $backup dka400:vms072.b /save dka200:- >>>0- >>> and here is the (unespected) error I get:e >>>eI >>> %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline.  Mount verification ind
 >>> progress.d >>G >> One thing you need to add is /IMAGE since you want the B saveset to r
 >> generate atH >> bootable dka200 drive. However, the lack of /IMAGE wouldn't generate  >> the error message.m > K > Tryied with that option also.. nothing changed. But thanks for the hint, p% > I'll take care of that next time :)d >  > L >> One thing you should do is to add the /LOG qualified to backup. This willF >> display on the screen the progress of the backup command. If BackupH >> succesfully does copy a few files before hanging, or if Backup hangs  >> rightI >> away before doing anything else, this would help diagnose the problem.e > 7 > Tryied that also. I got the same error, nothing more.p > G >> I was able to boot with an RRD42 cdrom drive. This is an old SCSI-1 u	 >> drive. F >> However, I did have problems booting from a SCSI-I disk drive. VMS 
 >> would bootAL >> its early stages, then would go into mount verification (the drive didn'tK >> respond to some command and hung). Physically powering off the drive and B >> powering it back a few seconds later on would the allow VMS to  >> continue to* >> boot and it would work fine afterwards. > K > That's really interesting. All my previous trys were done connecting the  I > CD drive directly to the VAX, but I could use an external storage.. so eC > that I can power off and on it. If I only had some external SCSI e
 > cables.. :/a > H > Thanks very much for the hints, I'll check if tha last works tomorrow 1 > evening, and report back as soon as possible :)u >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:46:44 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Itanium and Blades... 2 Message-ID: <ooxpb.8277$Zm3.2919@news.cpqcorp.net>  + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:O? > I thought that the whole concept behind blades was the use of E > inexpensive commodity boxes stacked on top of each other to support 9 > multiple applications (or instances of an application).C  E My understanding is that it isn't _quite_ like that.  The idea is/was A behind blades was to further increase compute density.  This then * providing greater "value" to the customer.  B IIRC "blades" tend to command at least a slight price premium overF similarly powerful standalone boxes.  At least they did at first, I've not priced them recently.s  
 rick jones -- oH Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...K   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:09:18 -0600/1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e( Subject: Re: OpenVMS, NAS, Shadowing....' Message-ID: <3FA70A4E.580584AF@fsi.net>.   Hoff Hoffman wrote:a > = > In article <6MCdnVqhu5E0gDmiRVn-vQ@comcast.com>, "Hal Kuff"h > <kuff@tessco.com> writes:  > :uO > :    What we would like to do is mirror two disks across a T-3 ..... as a T-3:L > :will pull about 20gb/hour of uncompressed data it seems reasonable that aN > :pair of HP NAS units could keep up with 10gb per hour..... We would setup aK > :pair of the NAS boxes on each end of the T-3 and then NFS mount a volume J > :from the NAS unit on an OpenVMS system at each end.  One OpenVMS systemL > :would write ot the NFS disk constantly and the blocks would be synched up > :with the other system.o > :g > :    Is anyone doing this? > H >   OpenVMS host-based Volume Shadowing and OpenVMS Cluster software canJ >   and does operate across a T3, assuming the distance involved is withinJ >   the SPD-specified limit.  This configuration would be fully supported. > F >   That written, OpenVMS host-based Volume Shadowing does not operateF >   across the NFS protocol; it does not support data storage on disks >   that are NFS-served.   Goofy question time:  G Has anyone ever tried using an LD container in an NFS-served directory?1   LDs can be shadowed.   -- f David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:00:22 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: patches for Radeon for older versions of VMSI2 Message-ID: <WdApb.8310$MP3.7252@news.cpqcorp.net>   No.i  H We are in the process of making a V7.3 version of the kit available, butK that is the earliest we will go back... and for just that reason - we don'toI want to force V7.3 consumers to upgrade VMS to replace the graphics card.a  H Given that we are about to release V7.3-2 on Alpha -- the 3rd V7.3 basedF release -- I'd think that now was about time to upgrade from V7.1-x or V7.2-x.  It's been a few years.a    B "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message, news:vkGhP6aab5TCTXkxIB1iCGHg8Edr@4ax.com...F > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:17:10 -0500, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> > wrote: >:H > >So now you can't find the VX1 cards, are there any patches for Radeon 7500  > >that go back to VMS 7-12> ??? > >n> > >If not, is anyone developing one for these versions of VMS? > >i > >David > B > Considering that V7.1-2 and V7.2-2 are on Prior Version Support, > don't bet on it. >e > David R. Beattyd > SAS Institute, Inc.  >o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:01:26 -0500% From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET>c9 Subject: Re: patches for Radeon for older versions of VMSo/ Message-ID: <vqdqs9595eb669@news.supernews.com>n   thanks fredM8 I can send this to one of my end users that keeps asking   dtD "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:WdApb.8310$MP3.7252@news.cpqcorp.net... > No.n >SJ > We are in the process of making a V7.3 version of the kit available, butG > that is the earliest we will go back... and for just that reason - wel don't.K > want to force V7.3 consumers to upgrade VMS to replace the graphics card.O >0J > Given that we are about to release V7.3-2 on Alpha -- the 3rd V7.3 basedH > release -- I'd think that now was about time to upgrade from V7.1-x or! > V7.2-x.  It's been a few years.r >e >sD > "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message. > news:vkGhP6aab5TCTXkxIB1iCGHg8Edr@4ax.com...H > > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:17:10 -0500, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>
 > > wrote: > >tJ > > >So now you can't find the VX1 cards, are there any patches for Radeon > 7500" > > >that go back to VMS 7-12> ??? > > > @ > > >If not, is anyone developing one for these versions of VMS? > > >o
 > > >David > >iD > > Considering that V7.1-2 and V7.2-2 are on Prior Version Support, > > don't bet on it. > >  > > David R. Beattyt > > SAS Institute, Inc.n > >l >t >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:19:40 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Production of PowerPC just got a big boost I Message-ID: <M8Dpb.129683$7B1.66992@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>o  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20031 103/tc_nm/tech_microsoft_dc     J Guess the price of production just went down too. I wonder if it's made on; the same copper process that EV79 can't seem to be made on.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:55:33 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r7 Subject: RE: Production of PowerPC just got a big boostg9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEDJIGAA.tom@kednos.com>a  D and HP believes that Microsoft is actually going to support Itanium?C In the end, pobably the only thing running on Itanium will be HP-UXsC aka Tru64 VMS and NSK.  Oh yes, Windows will run, for some time, as  did build 3128 on Alphao   >-----Original Message-----o) >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]P( >Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:20 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >Subject: Production of PowerPC just got a big boost >n >oL >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/2003 1103/tc_nm/tech_microsoft_dc >t >gK >Guess the price of production just went down too. I wonder if it's made on < >the same copper process that EV79 can't seem to be made on. >  >o >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.o; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).dB >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >o --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:36:04 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Re: Production of PowerPC just got a big boostt) Message-ID: <3FA71E81.8B585887@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:ti > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20031103/tc_nm/tech_microsoft_dcsL > Guess the price of production just went down too. I wonder if it's made on= > the same copper process that EV79 can't seem to be made on.    The most telling paragraph is: ##N  IBM opened a new semiconductor plant in East Fishkill, New  York earlier this> year and has been trying to lure new customers  to the plant.  ##  J So HP's story about IBM not being able to do EV79 loses credibility by the day.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2003 22:27:52 -0800-- From: bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede)W Subject: Re: Show Memory/physM< Message-ID: <8a3b834.0311032227.37c3a381@posting.google.com>  ! Thanks guys for your information.o  K If its Galaxy Architecture, still can anyone tell me the difference betweenC* Private/shared memory and main memory ???       Z   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2857E.FC022F56@SendSpamHere.ORG>..._ > In article <bo5r8a$r53$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:- > >bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede) writes in article <8a3b834.0311022257.340a36e3@posting.google.com> dated 2 Nov 2003 22:57:58 -0800:? > >>  I have one VMS system that shows "how Mem/phy" output as -G > >>Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use     > >>ModifiedJ > >>  Private Memory (352.00Mb)        45056       31130       12872      	 > >> 1054-D > >>  Shared Memory (32.00Mb)           4096        4001          95 > >eM > >That's interesting, I haven't seen "Private Memory" before.  What hardware  > >are you getting this on?0 >  > Can you say, Galaxy?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:11:34 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade' Message-ID: <3FA70AD6.12B3F0A6@fsi.net>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > = > In article <3FA5B27E.C6EEFAE2@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"v! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:w > I > > > > > It talks about booting from [SYSF] during the upgrade.  Is this'I > > > > > something which is invoked automatically somehow by the upgradekA > > > > > procedure, or do I need to specify this at the console.n > > > >US > > > > Either way, the upgrade procedure should be telling you something like "therS > > > > upgrade procedure will now shutdown your system and reboot XXXX (where XXXX U > > > > may be "automatically from a different root" or "manually, you'll have to ask * > > > > the system to boot from root "F"). > > > J > > > So I just have to @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL and follow the instructions. > > > Sounds easy enough.i > > >e > >u > > >>> B/R5:F0000000u > J > Right, I know how to boot from a given root.  The question was whether IH > should expect to have to do this, or expect the VAX to boot from whereH > it needs to automatically.  If the former, should I change the defaultG > boot flags for the duration of the upgrade (certainly needed if thereTG > are automatic reboots from the default root which should be [SYSF] at_E > some phase of the upgrade) or not (which assumes I'll always have at1 > chance to boot manually at the console prompt).r  H I'd say not, myself. The system expects to boot from the default root atE the end of the upgrade process. You'd just be making work/trouble for  yourself, IMO.   -- $ David J. Dachtera_ dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/j   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:55:33 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)0 Subject: Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade; Message-ID: <3fa72335.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e   Phillip Helbig wrote:O6 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > >>> B/R5:F0000000i >rK > Right, I know how to boot from a given root.  The question was whether I  I > should expect to have to do this, or expect the VAX to boot from where e > it needs to automatically.  C The upgrade instructions are not clear about what to expect, but dot cover both cases.x  - > If the former, should I change the default dH > boot flags for the duration of the upgrade (certainly needed if there H > are automatic reboots from the default root which should be [SYSF] at F > some phase of the upgrade) or not (which assumes I'll always have a 1 > chance to boot manually at the console prompt).n  C The upgrade instructions don't talk about changing the default boot D flags just for the upgrade. Don't you think the engineers would haveE thought of systems not booting from the root they intended the systema to?p  E Have some faith in the upgrade manual -- it's a DEC quality document.o8 And have your backup ready in case something goes wrong.   cu,h   Martin -- "A                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmera. Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/o5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deo   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:11:04 GMTr6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: SMTP Performance Problemd5 Message-ID: <Ivzpb.150313$vL1.1846223@news.chello.at>-  V In article <3F96E418.3C8FB574@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >"Michael D. Ober" wrote:dG >> Is there anyway to have the SMTP server send more than one email per N >> session?  When we get a lot of emails, it takes forever to clear the queue. >mO >Unfortunatly not. Each queue entry represents a message that could potentiallycN >be adressed to many people at different hosts. So while processing a message,G >the SMTP server will send one copy to all recipients on one host, thenoO >disconnectt, then send one copy to all recipients on a different host until it H >has delivered to all recipients. Then, it moves on to the next message.  F But another SMTP agent process can deliver other mail queue entries inG parallel. So probably this is sufficient for the posters problem. Checkw  ) 	$ TCPIP SET CONFIGURATION SMTP /QUEUES=nn  J btw: SMTP agents are realized as (one to many) VMS Server Execution Queues with one VMS Generic Queue.o   -- h Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERg% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:02:24 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: SMTP Performance Problem5$ Message-ID: <bo6qag$2jp$1@online.de>  5 In article <Ivzpb.150313$vL1.1846223@news.chello.at>,e9 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:    H > But another SMTP agent process can deliver other mail queue entries inI > parallel. So probably this is sufficient for the posters problem. CheckT > + > 	$ TCPIP SET CONFIGURATION SMTP /QUEUES=n  > L > btw: SMTP agents are realized as (one to many) VMS Server Execution Queues > with one VMS Generic Queue.a  H I have one execution and one generic queue per node.  The command above I will add more execution queues.  I've never seen one generic queue for a  D multi-node cluster, with one or more execution queues per node.  Is H anyone running such a configuration?  It seems to me to make more sense 0 to have one generic queue for the whole cluster.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:06:26 -0500l* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: Text library extensions) Message-ID: <3FA6A731.8E887E6F@istop.com>d   David J Dachtera wrote:oF > Have you looked at a .HLP file? (.HLP is the default input extension1 > when adding modules to a /HELP library (.HLB)).e  N yep.  Looks and smells like as text file to me.  Sure it is formatted with theJ first column having digits to index topics, but it is still a text file...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:28:58 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>4$ Subject: Re: Text library extensions' Message-ID: <3FA71CFA.595A2801@fsi.net>a   JF Mezei wrote:l >  > David J Dachtera wrote:PH > > Have you looked at a .HLP file? (.HLP is the default input extension3 > > when adding modules to a /HELP library (.HLB)).a > P > yep.  Looks and smells like as text file to me.  Sure it is formatted with theL > first column having digits to index topics, but it is still a text file...   Bingo!   --   David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systems? http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Nov 2003 14:08:28 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>n9 Subject: Re: UK source of 800/1600 BPI SCSI reel to reel?d. Message-ID: <mddfzh5mfrn.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  , Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:   > Longshot time.  I > We're looking for what is detailed in the subject. Cipher is a possible # > make (the long flat autoloaders).e  E > 800 BPI is the real requirement, unfortunately due to the situation0H > there is no way a bureau service could be used for data transfer etc.,D > the general idea is to hang the tape drive on the back of an Alpha > (PCI).  K Contact sales@m4data.co.uk for information in the 9914 tape drive.  You can[$ see the specs at m4data.com as well.  N The 9914 was the drive we recommended at XKL for customers to move backup dataI from their legacy Tops-20 and Tops-10 systems to the Toad-1; QualStaf and K Cipher also qualified, but we (I, as head of support) much preferred the M4  product.  L DISCLAIMER:  I was a happy customer of M4 Data, but am no longer employed by XKL.   -- 0. Rich Alderson					    | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |< news@alderson.users.panix.com			    | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |7 			 --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:49:34 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>.E Subject: Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloria 2 Message-ID: <O3Apb.8309$KE3.6886@news.cpqcorp.net>   > K > :Now I have just one remaining question: Why does "Style Manager - Color"eI > :not allow me to change colors (the "Modify" button is greyed out) withH? > :the ZLXp-E2, but does allow it with the Elsa and ATI boards?F >  >   Donno.  Not enough planes? >L  I By default with TrueColor, you cannot dynamically change the colors.  But > there is a documented way to make it dynamic - it's in the CDE documentation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:33:34 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-) Subject: VMS not mentioned by HP....againSG Message-ID: <OlDpb.129814$7B1.887@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>r  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=2&u=/nf/20031103/bs_ nf/22611&sid=95573658     - HP Bets on Itanium with New Mid-Range Serversi Mon Nov 3, 2:51 PM ETI! James Maguire, www.NewsFactor.coma  L Hewlett-Packard has debuted two new mid-range servers powered by the ItaniumF processor, complementing its existing entry-level and high-end ItaniumL server offerings. The two new mid-range Itanium machines are the 8-processor# rx7620 and the 16-processor rx8620.e  L These two mid-range servers "really hit a sweet spot in the marketplace," HPF spokesperson Kathy Sowards told NewsFactor. She noted that the companyK already offers the high-end Itanium-based Superdome, which holds as many as-L 64 Itanium processors. HP also offers entry level 2- and 4-Itanium machines.  K The introduction of these mid-range servers enables the company to target aPH market segment "where HP has been a leader for some time," Sowards said.     Long-Term StrategyH The release of these 8- and 16-processor Itanium servers is part of HP'sL long-term strategy to move its Unix customers running HP's PA-RISC processorI over to Itanium-based machines, Sowards said. "HP still has a very robust E PS-RISC product line," she explained. "We're not trying to transition L customers quickly -- this is something that will transition over a number ofD years." PA-RISC has been in the market for over 10 years, she noted.  A HP strategy is to eventually have a server line built on two main-L architectures, based on either Intel's (Nasdaq: INTC - news) Xeon or Itanium chips, Sowards said.  L HP has "very aggressive transition programs" in place for customers who wantL to move their applications to Itanium, she said, explaining that the companyK has set up Itanium solution centers around the world. "At those centers, wetG help customers and ISVs port and optimize their applications to move tov	 Itanium."o     HP vs. Sun and IBMK HP wants to transition its customers to Itanium due to the processor's costaH efficiency, Sowards said. Additionally, "the [server] industry is movingI toward a standards-based platform," she noted. "This gives customers moreaG choice and flexibility in the kinds of operating systems they can run."   C Unlike HP's PA-RISC processor, the Itanium-based boxes are platformrL agnostic, enabling a company to run HP's flavor of Unix as well as Linux  orF Windows. HP's strategy is in contrast to its competitors, according toL Soward. "Sun and IBM are continuing to push proprietary solutions," which is0 counter to the overall industry trend, she said.    
 Mixed MessagecK HP has a "messaging challenge" in its transition from its PA-RISC processor-D to an Itanium-only architecture, Illuminata analyst Gordon Haff toldL NewsFactor. "On one hand, they're making it very clear that Itanium is theirK strategy -- but at the same time, they don't want to scare people away fromu
 HP," he said.e  K Haff said he attended an industry conference recently in which a CEO voicedo@ this concern. "He asked, 'I'm on PA-RISC. Is HP abandoning me?'"  D HP wants to shift away from its PA-RISC processor to move out of theJ processor-development business, Haff explained. This is in contrast to Sun3 and IBM, which continue to develop their own chips.g    
 Big GambleF HP is the server vendor with the biggest investment in Itanium, havingD designed the Itanium-based server in conjunction with Intel. But theI processor's adoption has so far been sluggish, slowed by the need to have  software rewritten for it.  K Many industry observers see Itanium adoption increasing in the years ahead,iK though it is not clear how fast this will happen. This presents a challengeiK to HP's Itanium strategy. "The big question is around Itanium itself," Haff J said. "Itanium has shown it can perform. But so far it is primarily a chip> for HP. The other big players are really not Itanium backers."  K Although IBM, for example, sells some Itanium-based systems, its support ofiG the processor is "lukewarm," he noted. Smaller server vendors will sellSL Itanium machines if there is a big demand for it, "but they're certainly notJ going to push it," Haff says. "So then the question becomes, to the degreeG that Itanium is predominantly an HP processor -- to what extent do they3I capture the benefits of having an industry-standard processor, if they're8 the only ones selling it?"  ! ...[ a very good question indeed]e    L Somebody ought to take HP's Kathy Sowards and all her departmental colleagueJ into a classroom and make them write on the blackboard 1000 times "OpenVMSI is the best operating system HP offers and I will NEVER forget to mentionhD that anytime I meet with the press, industry analysts, or customers,G existing or prospective."  And once Kathy and her pals are done, carly,nH Blackmore, Fortier, Stallard, Marcello, Gorham, Blatz, and other 'suits'+ ought to be forced to do the same thing....i  C And if the classroom exercise doesn't work, we take them behind theo woodshed......  ;-)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:47:57 -0500g+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>p- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....againaB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031103214516.0803b9a8@mail.patmedia.net>  2 At 08:33 PM 11/3/2003, John Smith wrote (in part):M >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&ncid=3D1208&e=3D2&u=3D/nf/200=r	 31103/bs_h >nf/22611&sid=3D95573658 >  >m. >HP Bets on Itanium with New Mid-Range Servers >Mon Nov 3, 2:51 PM ET" >James Maguire, www.NewsFactor.com  I But the earlier story at <http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031103/35455_1.html>=20f mentions VMS twice...>     Press Release Source: HP  < HP Fuels Standards-based Computing with Expanded Server Line Monday November 3, 7:45 am ET L New HP Integrity, ProLiant 100 Series of Servers and Linux Clusters Provide= =2009 Customers Performance and Innovation, Extend Market Reachu  J PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 3, 2003-- HP (NYSE:HPQ - News)=20L today announced new HP Integrity and ProLiant servers and Linux clustered=20K systems, further expanding the company's reach to emerging markets as well=B =20sL as traditional enterprise computing customers. From simplifying the needs=20E of growing businesses to delivering high performance for technical=20hJ computing and enterprise datacenters, HP is setting the standard in the=20) industry for 32-bit and 64-bit computing.    Today's announcement includes:M The Itanium=AE-based HP Integrity rx4640 four-way high-density server and HP=s =20 L Integrity rx7620 eight-way and rx8620 16-way midrange servers, rounding out= =20n2 the industry's broadest Itanium-based server line;K The new HP ProLiant 100 server series -- competitively priced for small-=20 K and medium-size businesses (SMBs) and high-performance technical computing=  =20 F customers -- including the first of the series: the HP ProLiant DL140=  server;I New HP XC3000 and XC6000 Linux clusters for high-performance technical=20  computing customers.  K "The rules of the game have changed in the server market, and it's clearly=s =20 K 'advantage HP,'" said Scott Stallard, executive vice president, Enterprise=m =20eH Storage and Servers, HP. "Record numbers of customers are choosing HP=20G servers as the basis for an adaptive infrastructure. It's a stamp of=20zD approval for our approach of focused innovation based on industry=20= standards, and today's announcements build on that approval."A  J Customers, applications, leading performance =3D Integrity server momentum  L Adoption of HP Integrity systems has grown steadily as customers deploy the= =20 K servers for greater performance, scalability, higher availability, lower=20iL cost of ownership and multi-operating system support. New customers include= =20aK CBS Broadcasting Inc., CitiStreet, CompUSA Inc., First Trust Corporation=20a and the Home Shopping Network.  G "In recent testing, the HP Integrity rx5670 server provided up to 80=20cK percent improvement in processing times on our database. We saw that the=20yI combination of HP Integrity servers, Windows 2003 and SQL 2000 for our=20tK database provided CBS with the performance we demand for one of our most=20nK critical business applications. In addition, the Integrity server provides=e =20oI outstanding scalability and flexibility for future projects," said Amy=20u; Berkowitz, chief information officer, CBS Broadcasting Inc.o  L In addition, all of the top HP applications software partners and leaders=20K in the software industry have committed major application suites to the HP=o =20oK Integrity line. Nearly 1,000 applications are available today for HP-UX,=20nA Linux, and Microsoft Windows=AE Server 2003. Hundreds of OpenVMS=n  applications=20 are expected by mid-2004.f  L "With more than 35 percent of BEA WebLogic licenses shipping on HP server=20I platforms, our customers can recognize the strength and flexibility of=20kJ computing solutions from HP and BEA," said Olivier Helleboid, executive=20L vice president of products, BEA Systems. "Combining HP's expanded line of=20? Integrity servers with BEA WebLogic Platform 8.1 can deliver=20 H industry-leading price/performance for enterprise applications across=20K HP-UX, Linux and Microsoft Windows 2003 operating systems. We're pleased=20D; that the porting work has been simple and straightforward."   H HP Integrity servers, which range from two processors to 64-processor=20L Superdome systems, highlight the advantage of innovations built on industry= =20VK standards. Customers can have the flexibility of standards-based systems=20oK and industry-leading performance. For example, HP's new midrange servers=20 K significantly outperform I.B.M. and Sun offerings, delivering double the=20b7 performance with an equivalent number of processors.(1)s  L More information regarding record-breaking Integrity server benchmarks is=20E available at www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/performance.html.   L The HP Integrity server family is the only one in the industry that can run= =20nH all three of the most widely used operating systems: HP-UX 11i -- the=20H industry's leading UNIX operating system, Linux and Microsoft Windows=20K Server 2003. The OpenVMS operating system is expected to be available on=200 Integrity servers in 2004.  B New HP ProLiant 100 series for SMB and high-performance computing=
  applications0  F To meet the growing needs of the SMB and high-performance technical=20K computing markets, HP has extended the reach of the world's best-selling=20 L standards-based server line with the new HP ProLiant 100 series. Designed=20K for general-purpose workloads, the servers offer entry-level availability,=n =20 K moderate expandability and proven dependability ideal for both small and=20e> medium businesses and compute- intensive cluster environments.  K HP ProLiant 100 series servers provide great value for customers seeking=20pK solid performance, engineering and dependability with world-class services=C =20-E and support. Flexibility in purchasing and financing combined with=20 J competitive pricing ensures even the most cost-constrained business can=20, deploy industry-leading HP ProLiant servers.  L The HP ProLiant 100 series is designed with simplicity in mind, utilizing=20K OS-enabled management tools to ensure ease of deployment and management.=20nK With the reliability of ProLiant and expert support from HP, customers can=  =20y2 focus on their business, rather than their server.  K The new density-optimized, two-processor HP ProLiant DL140 server is the=20,C first of the ProLiant 100 server series. Offering floating point=20 J performance and cluster scalability, the DL140 server is ideal for grid=20J computing and for cost-conscious customers who want to deploy clustered=20@ solutions for high-performance technical computing applications.  K Clustered systems running Linux for high performance technical computing=20cK HP's new clusters are integrated, turnkey offerings, running Linux and a=20BI comprehensive software environment. They are designed to meet the most=20 G demanding scientific and engineering technical computing needs while=20+H delivering the simplicity and robustness typically required for broad=20 commercial use.   L The HP XC6000 cluster is based on the HP Integrity rx2600 systems and the=20L HP XC3000 cluster is based on HP ProLiant servers. Each system is available= =20-K in standard, fully supported offerings up to 512 processors, with larger=20IH configurations by request, and features high-speed interconnects from=20 Quadrics LTD and Myricom.t  L The clusters have widespread support from technical computing application=20L providers. "FLUENT is happy to extend our partnership with HP by supporting= =20)K the XC product line," said Paul Bemis, vice president product marketing,=20nI FLUENT. "The XC should be of great interest to FLUENT customers, as it=20AL shows a high level of performance and scaling with an open standard Linux=20L and a globally supported software configuration that we and our customers=20 can depend on."t  L As the leader in high-performance technical computing, HP has formed the HP= =20nH Collaboration and Competency Network (HP CCN) to ensure that emerging=20L standards and technologies meet the demanding needs of the high-performance= =20nE technical computing community. The HP CCN is a forum to facilitate=20fK wide-ranging collaboration, innovation and competency sharing between HP=20 K and customers and partners. The initial HP CCN collaboration areas include=  =20pL Linux on Itanium (Gelato), computational and data grids, global file system= =20dF for Linux (Lustre), scientific visualization (Sepia), and Linux SMP=20= scaling. More information about the HP CCN is available at=20  www.hp.com/go/collaboration.  : HP StorageWorks Secure Path available on Integrity servers  K The new Integrity, ProLiant and Linux clustered systems are supported by=20lC the complete range of HP StorageWorks products. This includes HP=20.K StorageWorks Secure Path software, with high-availability and dynamic load=t =20 H balancing features, which is now available with HP Integrity servers.=20H Secure Path software creates and maintains multiple two-way paths for=20L information to travel between servers and external storage devices, such as= =20mI HP StorageWorks Enterprise Virtual Arrays. If one lane is blocked, the=20-L software automatically directs data to the other lane to eliminate single=20 points of failure.   World-class service and supportn  I As HP expands its offerings into new markets, those products are fully=20<L supported by HP Services. With 28,000 Microsoft=AE-certified consultants,=20L 18,000 UNIX=AE-certified consultants and 5,000 Linux specialists, HP offers= =20tD flexible services based on extensive industry-standard technology=20K partnerships. In addition, HP Financial Services offers flexible financing=e =20bC options to help customers acquire the new systems cost effectively.    Pricing(2) and availability.  D The HP Integrity rx7620 and rx8620 midrange servers are available=20F immediately with estimated U.S. list prices starting at $23,735 and=20 $62,730, respectively.  I The HP Integrity rx4640 high-density server also is available now with=20 / estimated U.S. list prices starting at $15,869.m  I The HP ProLiant DL140 server is expected to be available in the United=20iL States in mid-November with prices starting at $1,299. The DL140 will run=20L the customer's choice of Windows, Red Hat, SuSE or United Linux operating=20J systems. It also is expected to be available as compute node options in=202 both HP LC clusters and XC clusters in early 2004.  L The HP XC6000 and XC3000 Linux cluster systems are available for December=20K delivery. Estimated list prices start at U.S.$171,500 for a 34-processor=20.F XC3000 cluster. More information on HP's high-performance technical=20= computing solutions is available at www.hp.com/go/newforHPTC.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:31:32 -0600h1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> - Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....againn' Message-ID: <3FA71D94.162F3110@fsi.net>k   John Smith wrote:l > [snip]E > And if the classroom exercise doesn't work, we take them behind theg > woodshed......  ;-)   E Do the words "chicago" and "valentine's day" mean anything to anyone?s   -- e David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:41:23 -0500o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again ) Message-ID: <3FA71FC0.A476EEBB@istop.com>e   John Smith wrote:eN > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=2&u=/nf/20031103/bs_ > nf/22611&sid=95573658p  M They also forgot to mention MIPS and ALPHA as platforms, as well as MPE Tru64.N as dead end customers, and Tandem/NSK with VMS as operating systems that HP is forcing onto IA64.  9 It is a much bigger bet by HP than the article protrayed.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:02:24 -0500.* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again ) Message-ID: <3FA724AC.A1844822@istop.com>l  ( Ken Robinson quoted an HP press release:J > The new HP ProLiant 100 server series -- competitively priced for small-L > and medium-size businesses (SMBs) and high-performance technical computing > customers   H Is HP going to be selling both 8086 and IA64 under the "Proliant" name ?  J > Integrity line. Nearly 1,000 applications are available today for HP-UX,M > Linux, and Microsoft Windows Server 2003. Hundreds of OpenVMS applications0 > are expected by mid-2004.b  K Now, this is from an HP press release: Buy HP-UX and get all your apps. Buy I VMS and get only a limited set of apps and you have to wait another year.   O Sounds like negative marketing to me. They could have just said something like:   C "Porting of applications to VMS is well underway for the commercialo7 availability of VMS on Integrity servers by mid-2004." I  N That would have avoided having to admit that VMS is down to just a limited set of applications.  M > The HP Integrity server family is the only one in the industry that can runoG > all three of the most widely used operating systems: HP-UX 11i -- the G > industry's leading UNIX operating system, Linux and Microsoft WindowseJ > Server 2003. The OpenVMS operating system is expected to be available on > Integrity servers in 2004.  L And here, they forgot to mention Tandem/NSK. They could have gotten a lot ofJ mileage out of repeating that Tandem is used by major stock exchanges etc.N Considering that Tandem's business and customers is something HP just recentlyY acquired, you'd think that they would see value in flaunting these new customers/systems.e    P > New HP ProLiant 100 series for SMB and high-performance computing applications  J If those Proliants are 8086 based, it makes it strange. They are trying toC portray IA64 as industry standard while the 8086 as a high end high  performance thing :-)1      J > computing markets, HP has extended the reach of the world's best-sellingB > standards-based server line with the new HP ProLiant 100 series.  N If the Proliants are 8086 based, then that press release admits that it is the7 8086 that is industry standard and not that IA64 thing.o  J > Clustered systems running Linux for high performance technical computingJ > HP's new clusters are integrated, turnkey offerings, running Linux and a% > comprehensive software environment.e  M Says a lot about HP's promises of porting the Tru64 clustering and other goodPT bits to HP-UX when they are now talking about Linux being "the" clustering solution.    L HP doesn't seem to have the right stufrf when it comes to being able to sellF multiple operating systems. Compaq made a mistake in buying Tandem and9 Digital. HP made an even bigger mistake in buying Compaq.s  K I think it will be much easier for a company such as Sun which focuses on a-L single platform to make that platform the best and most competitive. HP willM be mired with interbnal conflicts between its own different platforms as wells as Microsoft's influence on HP.G   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:43:15 -0500g* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: X file selection dialog: display file name only ?) Message-ID: <3FA6AFCF.D4FC0581@istop.com>o  G In a xwindows file selection dialog, is there a way to have the "files" K selection box display only the filename (file name, extension, version) and5L not include the directory path for each file in the list ? It is a big waste2 of space and makes for a much more cluttered look.  G Also, is it possible to have a default file specification that includes  multiple extensions ?e  J (for instance, display a file list that would include all *.C, and *.H ) ?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2003 15:40:52 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s> Subject: Re: X file selection dialog: display file name only ?3 Message-ID: <BKAgkXHVZEkc@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  V In article <3FA6AFCF.D4FC0581@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:I > In a xwindows file selection dialog, is there a way to have the "files"-M > selection box display only the filename (file name, extension, version) andMN > not include the directory path for each file in the list ? It is a big waste4 > of space and makes for a much more cluttered look. > I > Also, is it possible to have a default file specification that includesc > multiple extensions ?/ > L > (for instance, display a file list that would include all *.C, and *.H ) ?  H   I don't know about the first part, but I've seen lots of programs thatE   bring up the filter field of a file selection dialog pre-intializedo   and processed.  G   IIRC code that did this simply set the filter field (an editable textcE   box) before realizing the widget, just like the initial path field.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.611 ************************2003 22:27:52 -0800-- From: bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede)W Subject: Re: Show Memory/physM< Message-ID: <8a3b834.0311032227.37c3a381@posting.google.com>  ! Thanks guys for your information.o  K If its Galaxy Architecture, still can anyone tell me the difference betweenC* Private/shared memory W(<ցe쀗*2`Sg5dBFFkדĻp:އ|9׻,B7#'/%՝t$Ah8hj*]rm.Xw/O}X#[Z>|	t	@l{H1deM5d?I8(ɛč.?'D*n \aO<AkzcQ+Z
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