1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 612       Contents: bigtime for intel... Re: bigtime for intel... Re: bigtime for intel...B CHARON-VAX and Linux (was: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, etc.) Re: cluster load balancing Re: cluster load balancing7 Re: CSWS (Apache) CGI: TEST-CGI-VMS.COM, TEST-CGI-VMS.C . Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch6 Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? eVAX: any news?  Fortran calling sequence Re: Fortran calling sequence Re: Fortran calling sequence Re: Fortran calling sequence Re: Fortran calling sequence Re: Fortran calling sequence Full Duplex NIC cards  Re: Full Duplex NIC cards  Re: HP news from Brazil P Re: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (br owser)? owser)! Re: newbie problem installing VMS ! Re: newbie problem installing VMS " OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB page& Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB page& Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB page& Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB page& Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB page OpenVMS, Itanium and Parts Re: OpenVMS, Itanium and Parts Re: OpenVMS, NAS, Shadowing....  Re: OpenVMS, NAS, Shadowing.... ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS * Re: Passing a socket to a detached process Re: RMS File Record Size RX2600 Internet support? Re: Show Memory/phys' Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade ' Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade ' Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade - Re: To foreign or verb ? That is the question  Re: TS10, still around? & VMS in pole position in an HP WEB page* Re: VMS in pole position in an HP WEB page* Re: VMS in pole position in an HP WEB page* Re: VMS in pole position in an HP WEB page$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again$ Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again5 Re: X file selection dialog: display file name only ? < Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp.com [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?  Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?  Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?  Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?  Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL? 1 [OT] Systran should hire to revise their dics :-)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 03:46:40 -0800 . From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) Subject: bigtime for intel... = Message-ID: <7500353b.0311040346.4bb3316f@posting.google.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12479   7 Cant wait for the equivalent big news for other os's...    M    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 07:41:14 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: bigtime for intel... 3 Message-ID: <poAoIQaft55D@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <7500353b.0311040346.4bb3316f@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12479  > 9 > Cant wait for the equivalent big news for other os's...   B    I gotta have a talk with those quys, sounds pretty sappy to me.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:42:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: bigtime for intel... H Message-ID: <pVOpb.15994$152.14928@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:? > In article <7500353b.0311040346.4bb3316f@posting.google.com>, 2 > mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12479 >>: >> Cant wait for the equivalent big news for other os's... > D >    I gotta have a talk with those quys, sounds pretty sappy to me.  # They're just typical paper pushers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:05:56 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>K Subject: CHARON-VAX and Linux (was: 2010: a VAX end of Space Odissey, etc.) 4 Message-ID: <3fa733bf$0$13276$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:   M > If running VMS on 8086s is becoming so important, how come Charon-VAX still 5 > needs to run over something as bloated as windows ?   Q It does not "need" to, it has been engineered that way. I recall that it runs on   VMS/Alpha too and... > P > At one point, wouldn't it become better to have it run over a barebone OS suchJ > as Linux or even have charon-vax actually be its own OS providing a moreI > direct interface between the vax emulated code and the actual harware ?   G ...with Linux: http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/CHVX_Linux_lite.htm    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:07:35 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: cluster load balancing 2 Message-ID: <bo7jd3$4jr$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Mike Naime wrote:  > Axel:  > K > The activity that you have described is correct for a Cluster Alias.  The M > cluster alias only "lives" on one node of the cluster.  We use this to send G > our inbound/outbound Foreign Systems Interface (FSI) traffic to an IP H > address that we do not have to change if one of the production cluster3 > members dies.  It is NOT used for load balancing.   P Yes it is ! However you need to set up the whole thing with the Loadbroker etc. H and have a Dynamic DNS server available that accepts the input from the G Loadbroker. The Metric server is used to measure the load of the nodes.    > M > If you do a TCPIP SHO INTER/CLUSTER, you will see the Alias definition, and ! > if it is active on that system.  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:27:39 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: cluster load balancing ) Message-ID: <bo8d0r$m0l$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   S In article <bo7jd3$4jr$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  >Mike Naime wrote: >> Axel: >>  L >> The activity that you have described is correct for a Cluster Alias.  TheN >> cluster alias only "lives" on one node of the cluster.  We use this to sendH >> our inbound/outbound Foreign Systems Interface (FSI) traffic to an IPI >> address that we do not have to change if one of the production cluster 4 >> members dies.  It is NOT used for load balancing. > Q >Yes it is ! However you need to set up the whole thing with the Loadbroker etc.  I >and have a Dynamic DNS server available that accepts the input from the  H >Loadbroker. The Metric server is used to measure the load of the nodes. >  >>  N >> If you do a TCPIP SHO INTER/CLUSTER, you will see the Alias definition, and" >> if it is active on that system. >>   >   ) There are three types of cluster aliases.   : 1) The one you get by answering questions in tcpip$config.%    This sets up a virtual ip address. J    This virtual ip address is then bound to one of the "clustered" systemsO    real ip addresses. All connections go to just that one node unless that node H    is shutdown/crashes when the virtual ip address will then be bound to/    an ip address of another "clustered" system.   F    ie This is failover only no load balancing and to connect to it theJ    client has to connect to a virtual ip address. (This virtual IP addressC    may well also have a normal DNS entry but that is not required).    2) Round robin.   F    Multiple A records (IP addresses of systems) are associated with a      cluster-name in a DNS system.I    This provides a limited amount of load-balancing since requests to the F    cluster alias are sent to different IP addresses one after another.I    Does not provide failover since if one of the systems is down requests ?    will still be sent to it. There is no cluster ip address !!! !    Clients connect to a DNS name.         3) Real load-balancing.   M    Metric server and load-broker used to dynamically update a DNS server with E    addresses of least loased cluster members. This is very similar to L    round-robin except that the list of addresses associated with the clusterO    name (which can be multiple or just a single address according to how it has &    been setup) is dynamically updated.  I    By updating the address entries the load-broker and metric servers can N    provide real load-balancing and can also exlude systems which are down fromJ    the list of available addresses. Hence both load-balancing and failover    are provided.  M    The DNS server needs to allow dynamic updates - which means it needs to be F    relatively modern. Like round-robin there is no cluster IP address.!    Clients connect to a DNS name.      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:57:17 GMT ) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> @ Subject: Re: CSWS (Apache) CGI: TEST-CGI-VMS.COM, TEST-CGI-VMS.C2 Message-ID: <x%Ppb.8360$el4.1337@news.cpqcorp.net>  I Thanks for letting us know. I've checked-in the fix and it will appear in  the next release.    Regards   
 Rick Barry Secure Web Server Team OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH  G <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message news:03110322420627@antinode.org... @ >    In case anyone cares, the lists of environment variables in0 > [CSWS.APACHE.SRC.OS.OPENVMS]TEST-CGI-VMS.C andG > APACHE$COMMON:[CGI-BIN]TEST-CGI-VMS.COM do not agree.  The variable I J > was looking for most recently, HTTP_REFERER, was in only TEST-CGI-VMS.C,E > where it was spelled "HTTP_REFERRER", which does not work nearly so  > well.  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode,org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:15:06 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch 1 Message-ID: <03110409150611@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   N > However, if timestamp information is important enough that setting the clockI > back instantly is not acceptable since for one hour, timestamp would be N > "strange", would the same environments tolerate that transactions would haveP > the wrong time for a duration of 4 hours while the clock slowly loses an hour?  O I am one environment that uses the degradation of the time clock - and speaking  for that environment only.  M We have absolutely no issue with a loss of one hour over four (or five).  The G applications do not care and employees do not even notice.  The data is I chronologically in order with no risk of duplication - which has happened * before when we did a "snap" back one-hour.  I Sure the time is off however this takes place during the wee hours of the > morning when user activity is generally limited to shop floor.  G We also skew the time clock forward - however the only issue here is to B keep batch jobs at 0200 and 0300 from kicking off at the same time  N One fiscal year-end we used this process to slow the clocks down to allow moreK billing to be completed prior to the end of that fiscal year.  Our year-end K cycle was based on transaction time/date stamp and not the time it was run.   N > Also, when slowing the clock down for 4 hours to lose one hour, what happensL > to the logical that point to GMT offset ? Is it update at the start of theJ > process, at the end of the process, or do you continually update it withL > approximations of the changing offset as your clock slowly loses an hour ?  L I am not familiar with this and will need to read up and understand it a bitL better.  Is this for V7.3?  If so I am on V7.2, however these are the eventsF that take place during the time change on our servers (in a nutshell):   1) Shutdown NTP.   [Start the process at 00:20:00]    2) Build the SKEW macro.  K This process captures the current EXE$GL_TIMEADJUST & EXE$GL_TICKLENGTH and H determines the "skewed" settings.  This ensures that the clock slow downK is more uniform on multiple VMS servers.  I have done this on VAX and Alpha 3 with completion times within minutes of each other.    3) Configure TDF.   < Not sure if this is a good idea at this stage of the game...   4) Start the clock skew.   [Start the process at 00:30:00] " Using the macro built in step # 2.  
 5) Hibernate.    Sleep during the slowdown.   6) Startup NTP.      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 08:01:29 -0800 $ From: svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth)? Subject: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? = Message-ID: <5a85bce2.0311040801.608c0d86@posting.google.com>    Hi:   B We've got a "procedure" in place where the computer operators shutC down our main VMS system once a month in the middle of the night to B backup the system disk.  They boot the Standalone Environment from2 another disk and then backup the real system disk.  C Does anyone still follow this procedure?  Is there a *need* to shut B down the system in order to get a good, clean backup of the systemB disk?  Are there files (sysuaf?) that are open while the system isB running and are difficult to backup unless the box is shutdown and booted from another disk?   D The system in question is running OpenVMS 7.3-1 and has an EVA under it for storage.   D Should I just skip the "shutdown" and use the EVA to make a snapshot8 of the system disk?  Or just backup the system disk with "/IGNORE=INTERLOCK"?  . Thanks in advance for helpful tips and tricks.   -Scott Vieth :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:14:39 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> C Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? ' Message-ID: <3FA7D06F.6020800@MMaz.com>    Scott Vieth wrote:   >Hi: > C >We've got a "procedure" in place where the computer operators shut D >down our main VMS system once a month in the middle of the night toC >backup the system disk.  They boot the Standalone Environment from 3 >another disk and then backup the real system disk.  > D >Does anyone still follow this procedure?  Is there a *need* to shutC >down the system in order to get a good, clean backup of the system C >disk?  Are there files (sysuaf?) that are open while the system is C >running and are difficult to backup unless the box is shutdown and  >booted from another disk? > E >The system in question is running OpenVMS 7.3-1 and has an EVA under  >it for storage. > E >Should I just skip the "shutdown" and use the EVA to make a snapshot 9 >of the system disk?  Or just backup the system disk with  >"/IGNORE=INTERLOCK"?  >    > B Anytime you backup an open file, you stand to have a questionable I backup, especially if the open file happens to be open for write.  Worse  B yet is if multiple files are open that are coherent and if backup E managed to have one file backed up mid-transaction in one state, and  I others in another state because a commit had not occurred, you can again  ' have corruption between data elements.    I That all said, I've never kept applications on the system disk, nor user  I accounts, and with the exception of doing SA backups for VMS upgrades, I  H never do them and I've never had a system disk that I could not recover E and I've been doing this for over twenty years.  Lastly, with todays  F disk technologies, including RAID, hot spares, etc. we have not had a D reason to touch a backup tape, except to pull an archived file, for  many, many years...    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:18:57 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: eVAX: any news?2 Message-ID: <3fa7a74c$0$231$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  / The last archive for eVax is dated 31-jan-2000  ' (http://sourceforge.net/projects/evax/)   % Anyone knows more about this project?    Tx,    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:00:17 GMT 2 From: "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>! Subject: Fortran calling sequence / Message-ID: <RfHpb.102308$e01.354040@attbi_s02>   L Could someone with a VAX/VMS Fortran compiler compile a Fortran program such as  "       CALL XYZ('this is a string')
       STOP	       END   0 With the option to print out the generated code?  I There is a discussion in comp.lang.fortran related to call by descriptor, E and the compatibility with Fortran 66 programs that passed strings to H integer arrays in the called program.  (CHARACTER variables didn't exist yet.)   F Someday I should get an emulated VAX running to test these out myself.  H By the way, what is the oldest version of VAX/VMS that tapes still exist for?   thanks,    -- glen    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 09:49:38 +0100 ' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) % Subject: Re: Fortran calling sequence + Message-ID: <LkXkzP$MTv67@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   d In article <RfHpb.102308$e01.354040@attbi_s02>, "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:N > Could someone with a VAX/VMS Fortran compiler compile a Fortran program such > as$ >       CALL XYZ('this is a string') >       STOP >       END  > 2 > With the option to print out the generated code?    s                                                                  4-Nov-2003 09:30:27    Digital Fortran 77 V6.5-188   DISK$HUBER:[HUBER.TMP]TEST.FOR;9  * 00001         CALL XYZ('this is a string') 00002         STOP 00003         END   s TEST$MAIN                                                        4-Nov-2003 09:30:27    Digital Fortran 77 V6.5-188 W 01                                                               4-Nov-2003 09:27:53      DISK$HUBER:[HUBER.TMP]TEST.FOR;9  !                 .TITLE  TEST$MAIN                  .IDENT  01  "     0000        .PSECT      $PDATAK     0000        .XBYTE      74,68,69,73,20,69,73,20,61,20,73,74,72,69,6E,67      0010        .XBYTE      00  "     0000        .PSECT      $LOCAL&     0000        .LONG       ^X010E0010"     0004        .ADDR       $PDATA&     0008        .LONG       ^X00000001"     000C        .CKARG      $LOCAL  !     0000        .PSECT      $CODE P                                                                          ; 00001     0000  TEST$MAIN:: &     0000        .WORD       ^M<IV,R11>'     0002        MOVAL       $LOCAL, R11 0     0009        CALLG       $LOCAL+^X8(R11), XYZP                                                                          ; 00002(     0011        CALLS       #0, FOR$STOP                 .END   PROGRAM SECTIONS  ;     Name                                 Bytes   Attributes   \   0 $CODE                                   24   PIC CON REL LCL   SHR   EXE   RD NOWRT QUAD\   1 $PDATA                                  17   PIC CON REL LCL   SHR NOEXE   RD NOWRT QUAD\   2 $LOCAL                                  16   PIC CON REL LCL NOSHR NOEXE   RD   WRT QUAD    = The argument is definitely a fixed-length string descriptor,  % always was like that in Vax Fortran.  R One needs to explicitely pass by reference (%REF(...)) or as a Hollerith constant J (4Habcd) if the progrem expects strings in Fortran 66 style as a numerical array type.  --  >    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:04:50 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> % Subject: Re: Fortran calling sequence 8 Message-ID: <lkteqv4qmg1pl7e3cs7t2jkvjugj4hsrmi@4ax.com>  F On 4 Nov 2003 09:49:38 +0100, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) wrote:  e >In article <RfHpb.102308$e01.354040@attbi_s02>, "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: O >> Could someone with a VAX/VMS Fortran compiler compile a Fortran program such  >> as % >>       CALL XYZ('this is a string') 
 >>       STOP  >>       END >>  3 >> With the option to print out the generated code?  > # >    0000        .PSECT      $PDATA L >    0000        .XBYTE      74,68,69,73,20,69,73,20,61,20,73,74,72,69,6E,67 >    0010        .XBYTE      00  > # >    0000        .PSECT      $LOCAL ' >    0000        .LONG       ^X010E0010 # >    0004        .ADDR       $PDATA ' >    0008        .LONG       ^X00000001 # >    000C        .CKARG      $LOCAL  > " >    0000        .PSECT      $CODEQ >                                                                         ; 00001  >    0000  TEST$MAIN::' >    0000        .WORD       ^M<IV,R11> ( >    0002        MOVAL       $LOCAL, R111 >    0009        CALLG       $LOCAL+^X8(R11), XYZ Q >                                                                         ; 00002  > > >The argument is definitely a fixed-length string descriptor, % >always was like that in Vax Fortran.    No, the argument block is:  " 0008        .LONG       ^X00000001 000C        .CKARG      $LOCAL  I which is 1 argument, that being the result of this .ckarg construct.  You G will find that the emitted object code actually instructs the linker to K select one of two values to insert at that point, depending on the declared I type of the argument in the compiled object code for XYZ.  I don't recall I whether it is a positive test for "by descriptor" (that is, declared as a K character variable), but I think that is what happens.  If so, the argument G will in fact be the address of $LOCAL (the "argument" to .CKARG), which L contains the descriptor.  Otherwise, it will be the contents of the longwordG following $LOCAL, which here is the address of $PDATA, thus passing the / string by reference (and with a trailing null).   H This is for compatibility with PDP Fortran 77, which lacked descriptors.  S >One needs to explicitely pass by reference (%REF(...)) or as a Hollerith constant  K >(4Habcd) if the progrem expects strings in Fortran 66 style as a numerical 
 >array type.    I The compiler sorts this out for you.  It only really becomes necessary if J you are writing XYZ in Macro or another language or are prepared to acceptC arguments passed in different ways (perhaps dependent on an earlier  argument, for example).   K Judging from the comment about comp.lang.fortran, I guess Steve Lionel must L be out of the office, or he would have corrected this discussion himself ;-)   --   John Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:50:51 -0500 % From: Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> % Subject: Re: Fortran calling sequence < Message-ID: <howard-1FF9FC.07505104112003@enews.newsguy.com>  8 In article <lkteqv4qmg1pl7e3cs7t2jkvjugj4hsrmi@4ax.com>,/  John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:   K > which is 1 argument, that being the result of this .ckarg construct.  You I > will find that the emitted object code actually instructs the linker to M > select one of two values to insert at that point, depending on the declared K > type of the argument in the compiled object code for XYZ.  I don't recall K > whether it is a positive test for "by descriptor" (that is, declared as a M > character variable), but I think that is what happens.  If so, the argument I > will in fact be the address of $LOCAL (the "argument" to .CKARG), which N > contains the descriptor.  Otherwise, it will be the contents of the longwordI > following $LOCAL, which here is the address of $PDATA, thus passing the 1 > string by reference (and with a trailing null).   G Strange.  Looks to me as though it's passing a 1 (number of arguments)  E followed by a pointer to a descriptor.  In other words, the argument  I block for the CALLG contains a 1 followed by a pointer, which happens to  D be a descriptor.  Note the address at $LOCAL and the address at the G .LONG after $LOCAL, as well as the contents of each of those longwords   at $LOCAL and $LOCAL+4.    --  D You are what you eat, therefore, I'm a vegetable!  Cows and chickens and Pop Tarts are too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:06:57 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> % Subject: Re: Fortran calling sequence 8 Message-ID: <8sbfqvkevajrsh1qruc1ds74r6k1js097u@4ax.com>  J On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:50:51 -0500, Howard Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:  9 >In article <lkteqv4qmg1pl7e3cs7t2jkvjugj4hsrmi@4ax.com>, 0 > John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote: > L >> which is 1 argument, that being the result of this .ckarg construct.  YouJ >> will find that the emitted object code actually instructs the linker toN >> select one of two values to insert at that point, depending on the declaredL >> type of the argument in the compiled object code for XYZ.  I don't recallL >> whether it is a positive test for "by descriptor" (that is, declared as aN >> character variable), but I think that is what happens.  If so, the argumentJ >> will in fact be the address of $LOCAL (the "argument" to .CKARG), whichO >> contains the descriptor.  Otherwise, it will be the contents of the longword J >> following $LOCAL, which here is the address of $PDATA, thus passing the2 >> string by reference (and with a trailing null). > H >Strange.  Looks to me as though it's passing a 1 (number of arguments) F >followed by a pointer to a descriptor.  In other words, the argument J >block for the CALLG contains a 1 followed by a pointer, which happens to  >be a descriptor.   J No, the argument block consists of a longword 1, followed by what is shown as a .CKARG <address>.  I Paste this into the message id box in Google Groups' advanced search page G 1993Aug13.190102.28543@jac.nuo.dec.com and you will find Steve Lionel's F explanation.  It turns out it is a positive check for a "by reference"K argument declaration, and if this check is passed, the passing mechanism is C changed from "by descriptor" to "by reference" by the simple act of F replacing the address of the descriptor in the argument block with theL address of what the descriptor points to (dereferencing, in other words).  IE would imagine it to be quite likely that the .CKARG <address> line is H equivalent to a .ADDR <address> directive plus some unseen object moduleL records for the linker's benefit.  That would allow the default mechanism toH be "by descriptor" in this case without further fixups (and there may be% some folks writing their own linker).   L It also seems it's not a PDP compatibility thing, but a Fortran-66 extensionI issue.  CALL XYZ (4HABCD) and CALL XYZ ('ABCD') used to be equivalent and J valid even when the formal argument to XYZ was (necessarily) numeric.  The, capability was not carried forward to Alpha.  3 >Note the address at $LOCAL and the address at the  H >.LONG after $LOCAL, as well as the contents of each of those longwords  >at $LOCAL and $LOCAL+4.  I It would probably be clearer with a slightly more complicated example, in ; fact.  Where there were other psect items before and after.    --   John Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 18:10:51 +0100 ' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) % Subject: Re: Fortran calling sequence + Message-ID: <$10E019lKUme@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   h In article <8sbfqvkevajrsh1qruc1ds74r6k1js097u@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:   K John, thanks for the explanation, I overlooked the special .CKARG handling   of string literals passed.  N > It also seems it's not a PDP compatibility thing, but a Fortran-66 extensionK > issue.  CALL XYZ (4HABCD) and CALL XYZ ('ABCD') used to be equivalent and L > valid even when the formal argument to XYZ was (necessarily) numeric.  The. > capability was not carried forward to Alpha.   D In fact not only on Alpha, also on Vax Hollerith and string literals are not equivalent: ; string literals are passed as seen with the special magic,  , Hollerith constants are passed by reference. An example:      00001         character*24 str& 00002         str = ' a string in str'* 00003         CALL XYZ('this is a string')# 00004         CALL XYZ(9HHOLLERITH)  00005         CALL XYZ(str)  00006         END   B TEST_XYZ$MAIN   4-Nov-2003 18:08:04    Digital Fortran 77 V6.5-188  DISK$HUBER:[HUBER.TMP]TEST_XYZ.F  %                 .TITLE  TEST_XYZ$MAIN                  .IDENT  01  "     0000        .PSECT      $PDATAK     0000        .XBYTE      74,68,69,73,20,69,73,20,61,20,73,74,72,69,6E,67      0010        .XBYTE      009     0011        .XBYTE      48,4F,4C,4C,45,52,49,54,48,00 "     0018        .PSECT      $LOCAL&     0018        .LONG       ^X010E0018     001C        .ADDR       STR &     0020        .LONG       ^X010E0010"     0024        .ADDR       $PDATA&     0028        .LONG       ^X00000001'     002C        .CKARG      $LOCAL+^X20 &     0030        .LONG       ^X00000001'     0034        .ADDR       $PDATA+^X11 &     0038        .LONG       ^X00000001'     003C        .ADDR       $LOCAL+^X18 !     0000        .PSECT      $CODE      0000  TEST_XYZ$MAIN:: 2     0000        .WORD       ^M<IV,R2,R3,R4,R5,R11>,     0002        MOVAL       $LOCAL+^X18, R11P                                                                          ; 00002B     0009        MOVC5       #16, $PDATA+^X1B, #^X20, #24, STR(R11)P                                                                          ; 000031     0014        CALLG       $LOCAL+^X28(R11), XYZ P                                                                          ; 000041     001C        CALLG       $LOCAL+^X30(R11), XYZ P                                                                          ; 000051     0024        CALLG       $LOCAL+^X38(R11), XYZ P                                                                          ; 00006"     002C        MOVL        #1, R0     002F        RET "     001B        .PSECT      $PDATAK     001B        .XBYTE      20,61,20,73,74,72,69,6E,67,20,69,6E,20,73,74,72     --  >    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:58:16 -07008 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> Subject: Full Duplex NIC cards1 Message-ID: <JUQpb.465$gZ6.14926@news.uswest.net>   L We have an AlphaServer 1200 5/533 running OpenVMS V7.3-1.  The DE500 card inK the server is constantly reporting collisions in full duplex mode.  In half : duplex mode, no collisions are reported.  Three questions:  3 1)  Is this impacting the Network IO of the system?   6 2)  If so, is there a better card for a 100Mb network?  D 3)  If not, is there anyway to eliminate the error reports at opcon?   Thanks,  Mike.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:48:06 +0100, From: "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de>" Subject: Re: Full Duplex NIC cards/ Message-ID: <bo8oor$rid$04$1@news.t-online.com>   u "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:JUQpb.465$gZ6.14926@news.uswest.net... N > We have an AlphaServer 1200 5/533 running OpenVMS V7.3-1.  The DE500 card inM > the server is constantly reporting collisions in full duplex mode.  In half < > duplex mode, no collisions are reported.  Three questions: >   M Do you have enabled auto-negotiationon SRM or do set the interface to FastFD? L I had the same problem with a PWS600au (Miata MX5). When I set the interfaceZ to FastFD I got a lot of collisions - the collision LED on the switch blinks all the time.  T As I set the Interface to Auto-Negotiate everything works fine and the Interface ran with 100 Mbit/s full duplex    Reinhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:45:30 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: HP news from BrazilH Message-ID: <eYOpb.16011$152.14689@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Keith Parris wrote: D > Thought of you when I saw these news items, Fabio.  From Interex's+ > InsideHP e-mail newsletter, Nov. 4, 2003:  > --- G > WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT?: According to a Reuters report, HP is F > teaming with McDonald's in Brazil to give Internet addicts a happierE > meal. McDonald's "McInternet" service is already available at 75 of = > the fast food outlets in the country, but will be ready for G > consumption in the remainder of its 584 sites in Brazil by the middle E > of 2004. The fast food joints will have an average of four PCs with C > high-speed Internet access each available to anyone who buys some  > food.  > C > IN OTHER BRAZILIAN NEWS: HP has opened a research and development A > center at the Catholic University (PUC-RS) in Porto Alegre, the H > capital of Brazil's Rio Grande do Sul state, Valor Economico reported.@ > The center will host 80 HP researchers and 70 members of PUC'sC > technology management agency (Tecnopuc), which focuses on digital.@ > printing, algorithms for testing software and high-performance% > computing, Bnamericas.com reported.l  = It can't be high perfomance computing if in includes Windows.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:58:25 +0100h From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: In CSWS (Apache) CGI, what's the IP address of the client (br owser)? owser)t2 Message-ID: <bo7irt$12n$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Barratt, Chris (FMC) wrote:eL > There is an environment variable (symbol) called REMOTE_ADDR which has the5 > IP of the client as it's value...check out the filea( > apache$root:[cgi-bin]test-cgi-vms.com. > 	 > Cheers,  > Chrise >  > P Is this indeed always the address of the browser, or can it also be the address - of the proxy server that the client is using?   P It seems the default behaviour of Apache (don't know about CSWS) is to show the @ proxy server address, if (!) the client is using a proxy server.  M I am trying to use build / use the limitipconn module for Apache, and in the rP description of that module there is an example of how to patch Apache (a patchy : -: ) ) to show the IP address of the browser in all cases.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:28:49 -0500& From: "Chris Moore" <just@my.twocents>* Subject: Re: newbie problem installing VMS: Message-ID: <hXMpb.13373$mB5.496249@news20.bellglobal.com>  I I would agree.  I have also seen this when the SCSI bus is marginally too F long  --  e.g. when extended to an external device with an overly-longI cable, or to a device that 'claimed' to be self-terminating.  In at leastHL one such case, a full VMS install would boot and run fine from the disk, but0 booting from CD would bring out this symptom (?)   CM  0 "Jim Mehlhop" <Jim@mehlhop.org> wrote in message$ news:3FA6F068.5080504@mehlhop.org...? > Everytime I have seen this it was a SCSI termination problem.s >cB > Either need to add a terminator to the end or remove an internal& > terminator in the middle of the bus. >x > Jimr >L > WiseLYNX wrote:  > > JF Mezei wrote:] > >x+ > >>> $backup dka400:vms072.b /save dka200:  > >>>]/ > >>> and here is the (unespected) error I get:  > >>>tK > >>> %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline.  Mount verification in- > >>> progress.e > >>H > >> One thing you need to add is /IMAGE since you want the B saveset to > >> generate arI > >> bootable dka200 drive. However, the lack of /IMAGE wouldn't generate  > >> the error message.n > >rL > > Tryied with that option also.. nothing changed. But thanks for the hint,' > > I'll take care of that next time :)e > >o > >3I > >> One thing you should do is to add the /LOG qualified to backup. Thisr willH > >> display on the screen the progress of the backup command. If BackupI > >> succesfully does copy a few files before hanging, or if Backup hangs>
 > >> rightK > >> away before doing anything else, this would help diagnose the problem.= > > 9 > > Tryied that also. I got the same error, nothing more.s > > H > >> I was able to boot with an RRD42 cdrom drive. This is an old SCSI-1 > >> drive.-G > >> However, I did have problems booting from a SCSI-I disk drive. VMS" > >> would boot G > >> its early stages, then would go into mount verification (the driven didn'tI > >> respond to some command and hung). Physically powering off the drive0 and0C > >> powering it back a few seconds later on would the allow VMS tot > >> continue to, > >> boot and it would work fine afterwards. > >>L > > That's really interesting. All my previous trys were done connecting theJ > > CD drive directly to the VAX, but I could use an external storage.. soD > > that I can power off and on it. If I only had some external SCSI > > cables.. :/0 > > I > > Thanks very much for the hints, I'll check if tha last works tomorrow03 > > evening, and report back as soon as possible :)a > >$ >3   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 07:13:37 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: newbie problem installing VMS3 Message-ID: <wH0NR9GGt5kx@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  V In article <3FA6DB93.EF82902B@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > WiseLYNX wrote: I >> DKA200   RZ2       A/2/0/00  DISK       104 MB  FX          RZ23  0A18aJ >> DKA400   RZ4       A/4/0/00  RODISK     547 MB  RM          CDRM0011.0g > ( >> $backup dka400:vms072.b /save dka200: >> i, >> and here is the (unespected) error I get: >> xH >> %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA400: is offline.  Mount verification in >> progress. > P > One thing you need to add is /IMAGE since you want the B saveset to generate aY > bootable dka200 drive. However, the lack of /IMAGE wouldn't generate the error message.y  H    Standalone BACKUP always implies /IMAGE.  Something is wrong with his    CDROM, or it's settings.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:04:08 +0100s" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>+ Subject: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB pagee2 Message-ID: <3fa76b93$0$254$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  P from http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2600/index.html  N "Clusters allow the consolidation of system resources such as I/O, bandwidth, N memory, mass storage, and compute capacity. The rx2600 cluster solutions also O ensure data integrity, maximize application availability, and minimize planned aP maintenance time. Regardless of your choice of HP-UX, Linux, or Windows, HP has O a powerful, flexible, highly available, and easily managed cluster solution to x meet your needs.":  > %SYSTEM-E-MISSING, OpenVMS i64 is missing in the last sentence   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:11:41 GMTl5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)a/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB pageCL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0411030612120001@user-uinj448.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <3fa76b93$0$254$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandic <no@spam.com> wrote:   >fromdK http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2600/index.htmle >dO >"Clusters allow the consolidation of system resources such as I/O, bandwidth, tO >memory, mass storage, and compute capacity. The rx2600 cluster solutions also aP >ensure data integrity, maximize application availability, and minimize planned I >maintenance time. Regardless of your choice of HP-UX, Linux, or Windows,C HP has oP >a powerful, flexible, highly available, and easily managed cluster solution to  >meet your needs." >e? >%SYSTEM-E-MISSING, OpenVMS i64 is missing in the last sentencen    + But VMS isn't available yet for the rx2600.a  J (Had the web page mentioned VMS availability next year, JF would have beenA bitching about HP's deliberate "negative advertising" about VMS.)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:16:18 +0100l" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB page 2 Message-ID: <3fa7a6ad$0$231$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Robert Deininger wrote:e  M > http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2600/index.htmlm > - > But VMS isn't available yet for the rx2600.d   Bob, heard of Alain Afflelou?   N "Supports HP-UX 11i ver 2, Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition J (64-bit), Linux and OpenVMS for HP Integrity Servers, evaluation release"   :-)u   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 07:26:00 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB paget3 Message-ID: <wVVgfRPI$Pu4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3fa76b93$0$254$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:uR > from http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2600/index.html > P > "Clusters allow the consolidation of system resources such as I/O, bandwidth, P > memory, mass storage, and compute capacity. The rx2600 cluster solutions also Q > ensure data integrity, maximize application availability, and minimize planned tR > maintenance time. Regardless of your choice of HP-UX, Linux, or Windows, HP has Q > a powerful, flexible, highly available, and easily managed cluster solution to l > meet your needs."l > @ > %SYSTEM-E-MISSING, OpenVMS i64 is missing in the last sentence  B    HP doesn't "have" that yet, at least not for sale to customers.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 06:27:10 -0800e- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) / Subject: Re: OpenVMS i64 missing in HP WEB page-= Message-ID: <66a00d01.0311040627.675c7224@posting.google.com>R   rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in message news:<rdeininger-0411030612120001@user-uinj448.dialup.mindspring.com>...pC > In article <3fa76b93$0$254$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi  > <no@spam.com> wrote: >  > >from N >  http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2600/index.html > >eQ > >"Clusters allow the consolidation of system resources such as I/O, bandwidth, 0Q > >memory, mass storage, and compute capacity. The rx2600 cluster solutions also iR > >ensure data integrity, maximize application availability, and minimize planned K > >maintenance time. Regardless of your choice of HP-UX, Linux, or Windows,n
 >  HP has R > >a powerful, flexible, highly available, and easily managed cluster solution to  > >meet your needs." > >eA > >%SYSTEM-E-MISSING, OpenVMS i64 is missing in the last sentence- >  > - > But VMS isn't available yet for the rx2600.  > L > (Had the web page mentioned VMS availability next year, JF would have beenC > bitching about HP's deliberate "negative advertising" about VMS.)e  , As we often say in this group, "it depends".  D If mention is made of iVMS as being available RSN without mentioningF that it already has a long, sterling history, and remains available onF The Mighty (if now Legendary) Alpha, then yes: that could be construed? as negative. If, on the other hand, mention of VMS includes itss< current status (polished up a bit, of course) and its future8 availability on Itanic, that is something else entirely.  + It's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it.    -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemss   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 07:56:17 -0800e. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)# Subject: OpenVMS, Itanium and Parts < Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311040756.de18b98@posting.google.com>  * Do you know if will be possible to migrate( old DEC parts (mainly PCI hardware) from) the AlphaServers to the Itanium Servers ?h  9 Example: old DEC NICs, Fibre Channel LP-8000/9000, etc...t       Regards    FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:40:48 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>e' Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Itanium and Partsj8 Message-ID: <iblfqvotpn3pt7ar9iu5oo4fo0d08n8nq5@4ax.com>  M On 4 Nov 2003 07:56:17 -0800, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote:i  + >Do you know if will be possible to migratef) >old DEC parts (mainly PCI hardware) from * >the AlphaServers to the Itanium Servers ? > : >Example: old DEC NICs, Fibre Channel LP-8000/9000, etc...  P Many of the old parts will not physically or more correctly electrically work in" the new systems e.g. 5V PCI cards.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 5:24:13 -0500w! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net>l( Subject: Re: OpenVMS, NAS, Shadowing....A Message-ID: <0001HW.BBCCE87D0002B15EF02845B0@library.airnews.net>2  5 On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:11:41 -0500, Hoff Hoffman wrotee4 (in message <17vpb.8262$0b3.7098@news.cpqcorp.net>):    K    In this case we are looking at RMS Journaling.... we need the AIJ files s/ available to be applied to the remote system.     E 			Well.... we have 5 large storageworks sans and have looked at the hL continuous availability product but it is severely ill-defined and there is L no supported way to connect the two systems over IP (the cisco 9216 with IP F module is not well understood at HP storage even though they sell it).    K    There are a lot of smart people here... it would appear that there is a nL way to take two NAS units, set them up to mirror a volume between Baltimore C and Reno and then have an OpenVMS system place AIJ files there for tK replication to the remote site.  The NAS boxes will handle everything, the -G question at hand is how to make the local NAS disk a target of VMS I/O   operations...?                > > In article <6MCdnVqhu5E0gDmiRVn-vQ@comcast.com>, "Hal Kuff"  > <kuff@tessco.com> writes:o >> cK >> What we would like to do is mirror two disks across a T-3 ..... as a T-3 L >> will pull about 20gb/hour of uncompressed data it seems reasonable that aN >> pair of HP NAS units could keep up with 10gb per hour..... We would setup aK >> pair of the NAS boxes on each end of the T-3 and then NFS mount a volumerJ >> from the NAS unit on an OpenVMS system at each end.  One OpenVMS systemL >> would write ot the NFS disk constantly and the blocks would be synched up >> with the other system.r >> f >> Is anyone doing this? > I >   OpenVMS host-based Volume Shadowing and OpenVMS Cluster software can uJ >   and does operate across a T3, assuming the distance involved is withinJ >   the SPD-specified limit.  This configuration would be fully supported. > F >   That written, OpenVMS host-based Volume Shadowing does not operateF >   across the NFS protocol; it does not support data storage on disks >   that are NFS-served. > H >   There are also a DRS-based (hardware-based) approaches that can alsoJ >   remote mirroring (hardware folks often use the term mirroring, OpenVMSI >   tends to use the term shadowing) of data.  You may or may not be ableeJ >   to access the data "hot" on both ends -- that said, the hardware-basedI >   solutions I've seen have a primary/active and an off-line/hot-standbymJ >   design.  (OpenVMS Volume Shadowing allows distributed/peer read-write  >   access.) > L >   If you want to roll your own transactional and shadowing protocol, well,F >   have at.  (I'll assume you are aware of the volume of work you areD >   clearly inviting here, as this is not a trivial effort -- normalI >   operations are typically easy to code and operate, it's the detection J >   and recovery from errors and failures that's a far more difficult part >   of the work involved.)   > I >   I'd expect that an NFS-based scheme might well need to verify the I/OaJ >   using a read-after-write, and the simplest implementation of this willG >   significantly reduce bandwidth.  (MD5- or checksum-based scheme fortG >   verifying the results -- with the assistance of computes and I/O on H >   the remote server -- would obviously and potentially reduce the load >   on the wire itself.) > I >   There are "lesser" approaches available as well, which snapshot filestJ >   and/or transactions across spindles and across a network, and that canJ >   allow the database server(s) to roll forward from the last checkpoint.J >   This isn't as nice as mirroring or shadowing, but it can be easier andJ >   cheaper -- and it trades off the ability to hot-start during failures;K >   some resynchronization effort and/or some restart-focused site-specificLC >   procedures are involved as part of a failure-restart operation.e >    > 3 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> o > -----------------------------yM >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqm5 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion   > ---------------------------iG >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >    ------------------------------  " Date: Tue,  4 Nov 03 12:40:02 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.sir( Subject: Re: OpenVMS, NAS, Shadowing....$ Message-ID: <3fa79e28@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  & In Article <3FA70A4E.580584AF@fsi.net>3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e >Hoff Hoffman wrote: >> eG >>   That written, OpenVMS host-based Volume Shadowing does not operate-G >>   across the NFS protocol; it does not support data storage on diskst >>   that are NFS-served.u >c >Goofy question time:e > H >Has anyone ever tried using an LD container in an NFS-served directory? >X >LDs can be shadowed.o  A  They can indeed, but not if container file resides on IDE or NFS)
 disk :---(   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461n; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464n Slovenia   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 04:05:54 -0800t. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311040405.14cc8c3f@posting.google.com>i  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FA585B9.13590A86@istop.com>... 7 > http://www.symbian.com/technology/symbos-v7s-det.html: > N > This is what used to be PSION's "EPOC32" operating system which was spun offO > into Symbian. The minute Psion abandonned PDAs, the mobile phone companies gocP > to work to get Symbian to build them an OS which each phone company could then+ > use to build the applications and phones.  > K > Forgetting that this is meant to run on in a phone, I am quite pleasantlynL > surprised to see how far Symbian was able to take EPOC and build the basis > some something quite amazing.a > M > Forgetting the telephony-specific APIs, the OS still provides an incredible'O > richness in support for modern needs and has made me realise how much VMS (as C > an operating system) is starting to lag in those modern features.i    C How about the GUI ? You shouldnt forget that these PDAs operating @ systems are orientated to the User Interfacing. The lack of OVMS= nowadays is a good graphical/fast windowing system. Of course E there is the Open/X Graphic stuff but for me its obsolete. Too heavyYB and complicated to run graphical applications. SHould be developedF a new kinf of Graphical VT terminal. Ok, ok there is the Web InterfaceD but it still unsafe. It should be shielded like a VT. No interfacing with th OS, just a Display.0          K > Of couse, even though they claim it is an open system, it is in fact more L > proprietary than VMS, but in exchange, they provide a richer set of systemH > services including image decoders/encoders, documenty converters etc.  > O > (Of course, VMS *had* that with the CDA converters which would have been very 3 > propular today if they had been kept up to date).  > J > And all this reminds me of how much work isn't being done to improve VMSB > because the engineers are busy with the port to that IA64 thing.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 08:32:30 -0800P- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) 3 Subject: Re: Passing a socket to a detached processR= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0311040832.7509db67@posting.google.com>   s JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) wrote in message news:<bo66oe$kpl$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...d4 > In message <tqwpb.8266$bo3.1655@news.cpqcorp.net>,. >   "Greg Zymbaluk" <greg@no.spam.org> writes:M > >One thing I noticed is that after the detached process exits the BG deviceFJ > >is still there ($ sho dev BG5108:) even though the socket is closed. ($ > >tcpip sho dev BG5108:? > >                 %TCPIP-W-NODEVSOCK, device_socket not foundoL > >Is there something else I need to do in the parent process to make the BGO > >device go away? I tried closing the socket or deassigning the channel in the@N > >parent, but that seems to completely turn off the socket so the child can't > >do anything with it.1 > N > You need to deassign the channel in the parent, but only after the child hasO > assigned its own channel to the device.  You will have to refine your handoff P > protocol so that the parent receives a confirmation when the child assigns theH > channel.  I know this works because I do it this way in some of my own > network servers. >  > > > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet: N > 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu< > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu > 3 > Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.   D We use socket hand-off to detached processes as well.  We anticipateC our load and create a set of detached "worker" processes to receive:B these sockets.  Once communication is complete, the worker processA sleeps and waits for the next socket.  That way you eliminate the 6 performance overhead of process creation and deletion.   JMOD Dublin, Ohio   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:10:41 -07008 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam>! Subject: Re: RMS File Record Size 0 Message-ID: <BrOpb.452$gZ6.6768@news.uswest.net>  . As a developer, I prefer the detailed answers.   Thanks,s Mike.   B "Hein van den Heuvel" <hein_news@eps.zko.dec.com> wrote in message6 news:e02b550f.0311011939.7a7fbfe@posting.google.com...E > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> wrote in messagej, news:<ihuob.95$ss3.22002@news.uswest.net>...; > > Thanks for the replies.  I asked because I didn't know.  >  >r@ > Thanks for the perfectly reasonable explanation for what was a3 > perfectly reasonable question in the first place.r >eA > My answer was a bit extensive as I saw it was an opportunity tolE > finally address this issue more completely as it comes up every nowd > and then.T >t > Hein.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:48:56 +0100p" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>! Subject: RX2600 Internet support?t2 Message-ID: <3fa759f3$0$249$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  	 Hi there,s  O We just received an RX2600 Integrity server, but I do not find anywhere how to  + know whether it is a 1.3 or 1.5 GHz bundle uM (http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/rx2600/index.html)o  D Where is the best place to get "external" Integrity servers support?   Thanks,e   D. --F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation F Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:59:52 GMTs" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Show Memory/physw0 Message-ID: <00A28632.19FB2621@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <8a3b834.0311032227.37c3a381@posting.google.com>, bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede) writes:" >Thanks guys for your information. >tL >If its Galaxy Architecture, still can anyone tell me the difference between+ >Private/shared memory and main memory ??? o  K In simplest terms, private is the memory visible only to one processor.  It = is the "traditional" view of cpu memory in a VMS environment.   L Shared memory is visible to all of the processors in the "galaxy".  Data canL be written to a location in shared memory by one processor and read from theM location by another processor.  System services are used to create "galactic"oF sections in order to share this memory amongst processors in a galaxy.  L If you have a single machine, it can be configured as a one-instance galaxy.L This configuration is most likely usable only for programming types develop-K ing apps for a galaxy configurationa.  If you're not in a galaxy and you'redM not doing galaxy program development, the 32MB in shared memory is likely notlL being used.  You might consider setting SYSGEN parameter GALAXY to 0 and re-J claim that memory for real "private" use.  (Sorry, gotta reboot for that!)   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            m5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" .   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:28:55 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade) Message-ID: <3FA746F8.FFC89BB2@istop.com>@   Martin Vorlaender wrote:E > The upgrade instructions don't talk about changing the default bootl > flags just for the upgrade.   K It has been a long while, but my recollection is that the system manager ish told something akin to:g  M "The system will now reboot automatically, if it doesn't, you must get to thec3 >>> and issue a boot from root F" style of message.f  H It isn't a question of changing the default boot flags. I think that theJ installation either does it automatically, and/or you are explicitely told* what to do at the time of shutdown/reboot.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:12:13 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>e0 Subject: Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade9 Message-ID: <bo8537$19km0l$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>t   JF Mezei wrote:l > Martin Vorlaender wrote:F >> The upgrade instructions don't talk about changing the default boot >> flags just for the upgrade. > B > It has been a long while, but my recollection is that the system$ > manager is told something akin to: > D > "The system will now reboot automatically, if it doesn't, you must@ > get to the >>> and issue a boot from root F" style of message. > F > It isn't a question of changing the default boot flags. I think that? > the installation either does it automatically, and/or you arei= > explicitely told what to do at the time of shutdown/reboot.j  B What I meant to say with the above is that if it were necessary toE switch the defaults in special cases, the manual would say so - whichn it doesn't.    cu,s   Martin -- sF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.depF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:51:05 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>0 Subject: Re: simple advice needed on VAX upgrade, Message-ID: <3FA7CAE9.8060501@tsoft-inc.com>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:n >  >>Martin Vorlaender wrote: >>F >>>The upgrade instructions don't talk about changing the default boot >>>flags just for the upgrade. >>>AB >>It has been a long while, but my recollection is that the system$ >>manager is told something akin to: >>D >>"The system will now reboot automatically, if it doesn't, you must@ >>get to the >>> and issue a boot from root F" style of message. >>F >>It isn't a question of changing the default boot flags. I think that? >>the installation either does it automatically, and/or you aret= >>explicitely told what to do at the time of shutdown/reboot.  >> > D > What I meant to say with the above is that if it were necessary toG > switch the defaults in special cases, the manual would say so - whichr
 > it doesn't.. >  > cu,e
 >   Martin >   N It has been a while, but I've done enough VAX/VMS upgrades to remember a bit. N The hardware boot flag is not modified.  The SYSGEN STARTUP_P1 flag is set to P "MIN" to cause a minimal boot.  This gets rid of anything unnecessary while the Q upgrade proceeds.  Part of the upgrade includes re-setting this SYSGEN parameter.a  M VMS re-boots several times during the upgrade.  Before each reboot a message  P specifying how to manually re-boot is displayed.  This is in case the automatic H re-boot does not occur.  I may have had to do this once or twice, can't 7 remember, but normally the automatic reboot does occur.n   For a VAX upgrade:   1) set STARTUP_P1 to "MIN"
 2) re-boot 3) Login-in to SYSTEM  4) MCR SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALLo 5) @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL 6) answer the questionsp  ) It's pretty bulletproof.  Not idiotproof.0  P Oh yes, one thing, somewhere in there do an image backup of the system disk.  I Q did have one instance when I needed the backup.  You trust your Mother, but, you   cut the deck, right?   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin RoadX Vanderbilt, PA  154860   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:27:55 -00003 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie> 6 Subject: Re: To foreign or verb ? That is the question* Message-ID: <bo8moa$psn$1@kermit.esat.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3FA479E9.6352DE4B@istop.com... C > What do system managers and VMS engineers prefer when it comes to # >installing freeware applications ?1  K It should use either VMSINSTAL or PCSI.  Anything else looks amateurish.  I0K have a preference for VMSINSTAL as it allows you to do a lot of things thatDK PCSI doesn't (e.g. link the .EXE file as part of the install process to get,E around Ident mismatch problems with base VMS or other layered product J images, such as PMDF_SHARE_LIBRARY), but if you only need to stick a bunch0 of files in a certain location, PCSI will do it.  J > Are there guidelines for when an application should be invoked as a verb< > versus a foreign command that takes arguments in DCL style  E My preference is to use foreign commands, and have the program do DCL0G parsing internally with a CLD file using CLI$DCL_PARSE, CLI$PRESENT and J CLI$GET_VALUE.  That gives you the flexibility of verbs (e.g. not clashingI with VMS verbs, can be altered by a site etc) while still giving the nice + VMS feel of a properly parsed command line.6   > ...versus application & > that takes arguments in unix style ? >    $ Set Flame /onA  J THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY PISSES ME BIG TIME.  Granted there have beenB some good things that came out of Unix.  Its godawful monosyllabicF hieroglyphic case sensitive nonsense like "-i" meaning initiate searchL whereas "-I" means initialize the entire database is not one of them.  It isJ unintuitive, unfriendly and downright dangerous.  Please don't use it.  IfL you feel you must support it for cross platform compatibility, provide it asH an undocumented alternative.  Stuff that *requires* this kind of command  syntax is just not fully ported.   $ Set Flame /off  L I have been working on a tool to help the porting of such C code.  It allowsK you to adapt an existing C program that requires Unix syntax to accept bothoH VMS and/or Unix commands, by changing two lines of the main program, andL adding a module that is generated from table command files.  If anyone has aF C program they are trying to port, and is interested, let me know.  My' intention is to release it as freeware.   F For distribution over the Internet, I find that ZIP is the best, as it! (a) compresses and saves bandwitheL (b) produces files (fixed 512 byte records) that can be safely FTP'd throughD non-VMS machines in binary mode without losing the record structure.  H VMSINSTAL produces backup savesets, which unfortunately are not 512 byteI fixed length records (for that matter, neither are PCSI kits).  I tend tot& ZIP/VMS the savesets for distribution.  D For examples, have a look at the PMDF Statistics freeware package atK http://www.eurokom.ie/wade/software.html - demonstrates VMSINSTAL, CLD verb 3 stuff & Message Utility codes (code is in Fortran).   ? ---------------------------------------------------------------e< Tom Wade             | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie? EuroKom              | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;:/ Unit A2              |        a=eirmail400;c=ie1/ Nutgrove Office Park | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696 / Rathfarnham          | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697a< Dublin 14            | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimerC Ireland              | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !":   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:05:11 GMTi" From: Rob Komar <rkomar@telus.net>  Subject: Re: TS10, still around?+ Message-ID: <u6m7ob.342.ln@robpc2.home.org>   1 Timothy Stark <sword7nospam@speakeasy.org> wrote:o > K > Yes, I still am doing developments.  I am porting my TS10 emulator to C++f > language in progress.tE > Also, my latest snapshots are at ftp://ftp.firesword7.net/pub/ts10.e >  > Timl   Hi Tim, D I'm curious as to why you're doing this.  Just for fun?  Personally,@ I would have liked to see performance improved, and I doubt that' moving to C++ will help in that regard.    Anyway, keep up the good work.   Cheers,o	 Rob Komarr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:54:40 +0100e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>/ Subject: VMS in pole position in an HP WEB pageh2 Message-ID: <3fa75b4b$0$241$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  $ Scroll to "Platforms and technology"> http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/4244-0-0-0-121.aspx   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 06:42:39 -0800m. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)3 Subject: Re: VMS in pole position in an HP WEB pager= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0311040642.3d832031@posting.google.com>e  \ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fa75b4b$0$241$636a55ce@news.free.fr>...& > Scroll to "Platforms and technology"@ > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/4244-0-0-0-121.aspx >  > D.  @ Although I would dearly like to think that the powers-that-be atA HP have started reading my "please market outside the community" e> requests, I'm afraid that in this case I would attribute this ? placement to the vagaries of alphabetization instead of to any d deliberate action on HP's part.a     HP OpenVMS systems  n   Itanium-based  t
   Linux     Microsoft Windows     NonStop computing  	   UNIX  u  B Note to HP:  I'm not complaining.  Any mention of OpenVMS is GOOD.   Note to Didier:f   POLE POSITION?    @ I knew about EuroDisney, but when did NASCAR expand into France? :^)   @ (And if you think EuroDisney is bizarre, wait until you see the 2 version they're building in the Hong Kong SAR....)   WWWebb s       ========================e! William W. Webb- EMS Operations, S OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road t( Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7500x4186I * * * -      email is first initial last name at email stop usps stop govh   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:57:15 GMTt! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>m3 Subject: Re: VMS in pole position in an HP WEB paget8 Message-ID: <1affqvgct0c3k6j6kor21fdl0l1ch17fq7@4ax.com>  M On 4 Nov 2003 06:42:39 -0800, al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb) wrote:a  A >(And if you think EuroDisney is bizarre, wait until you see the  3 >version they're building in the Hong Kong SAR....)   N It's not called EuroDisney any more as that name was a marketing failure. TheyH changed the name to OpenDisney (just kidding:-) It's now properly called Disneyland Resort Paris.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azure   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 09:53:47 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)23 Subject: Re: VMS in pole position in an HP WEB paget3 Message-ID: <A76xqFEll0nC@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  W In article <3fa75b4b$0$241$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: & > Scroll to "Platforms and technology"@ > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/4244-0-0-0-121.aspx  ' Using Netscape Navigator 4.75-20000815,eK under "Platforms and technology" I see a black box big enough to hold text.gI Looking at the source, I see VMS would have been there.  Perhaps the flaw ; is one of the 28 errors found by http://validator.w3.org/ .    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:57:00 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....againo> Message-ID: <wkGpb.53371$fl1.2551646@twister.southeast.rr.com>  - The original press release is on OpenVMS.org:i9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/11/03/0879074n   It does mention VMS.   [snip]  J "In addition, all of the top HP applications software partners and leadersJ in the software industry have committed major application suites to the HPH Integrity line. Nearly 1,000 applications are available today for HP-UX,@ Linux, and Microsoft Windows(R) Server 2003. Hundreds of OpenVMS( applications are expected by mid-2004. "   [snip]  L "The HP Integrity server family is the only one in the industry that can runE all three of the most widely used operating systems: HP-UX 11i -- therL industry's leading UNIX operating system, Linux and Microsoft Windows ServerK 2003. The OpenVMS operating system is expected to be available on Integrityr servers in 2004."u   [snip]   Ken    -- Kenneth Farmer  <><s OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.orgm      . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:OlDpb.129814$7B1.887@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...e > L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=2&u=/nf/20031103/bs_ > nf/22611&sid=95573658/ >  >I/ > HP Bets on Itanium with New Mid-Range Serversa > Mon Nov 3, 2:51 PM ETe# > James Maguire, www.NewsFactor.comn >eF > Hewlett-Packard has debuted two new mid-range servers powered by the ItaniumtH > processor, complementing its existing entry-level and high-end ItaniumB > server offerings. The two new mid-range Itanium machines are the 8-processor % > rx7620 and the 16-processor rx8620.r >mK > These two mid-range servers "really hit a sweet spot in the marketplace,"i HPH > spokesperson Kathy Sowards told NewsFactor. She noted that the companyJ > already offers the high-end Itanium-based Superdome, which holds as many asD > 64 Itanium processors. HP also offers entry level 2- and 4-Itanium	 machines.r >fK > The introduction of these mid-range servers enables the company to targetn a.J > market segment "where HP has been a leader for some time," Sowards said. >w >h > Long-Term StrategyJ > The release of these 8- and 16-processor Itanium servers is part of HP'sD > long-term strategy to move its Unix customers running HP's PA-RISC	 processoriK > over to Itanium-based machines, Sowards said. "HP still has a very robustlG > PS-RISC product line," she explained. "We're not trying to transitioneK > customers quickly -- this is something that will transition over a numbert ofF > years." PA-RISC has been in the market for over 10 years, she noted. > C > HP strategy is to eventually have a server line built on two main:F > architectures, based on either Intel's (Nasdaq: INTC - news) Xeon or Itanium1 > chips, Sowards said. >rI > HP has "very aggressive transition programs" in place for customers whod wantF > to move their applications to Itanium, she said, explaining that the company_J > has set up Itanium solution centers around the world. "At those centers, weI > help customers and ISVs port and optimize their applications to move to. > Itanium."l >e >o > HP vs. Sun and IBMH > HP wants to transition its customers to Itanium due to the processor's costJ > efficiency, Sowards said. Additionally, "the [server] industry is movingK > toward a standards-based platform," she noted. "This gives customers moreuI > choice and flexibility in the kinds of operating systems they can run."g > E > Unlike HP's PA-RISC processor, the Itanium-based boxes are platform J > agnostic, enabling a company to run HP's flavor of Unix as well as Linux orH > Windows. HP's strategy is in contrast to its competitors, according toK > Soward. "Sun and IBM are continuing to push proprietary solutions," whichr is2 > counter to the overall industry trend, she said. >  >W > Mixed Message-C > HP has a "messaging challenge" in its transition from its PA-RISCe	 processor/F > to an Itanium-only architecture, Illuminata analyst Gordon Haff toldH > NewsFactor. "On one hand, they're making it very clear that Itanium is theiruH > strategy -- but at the same time, they don't want to scare people away from > HP," he said.i >F > Haff said he attended an industry conference recently in which a CEO voicedB > this concern. "He asked, 'I'm on PA-RISC. Is HP abandoning me?'" >oF > HP wants to shift away from its PA-RISC processor to move out of theL > processor-development business, Haff explained. This is in contrast to Sun5 > and IBM, which continue to develop their own chips.. >, >d > Big GambleH > HP is the server vendor with the biggest investment in Itanium, havingF > designed the Itanium-based server in conjunction with Intel. But theK > processor's adoption has so far been sluggish, slowed by the need to havep > software rewritten for it. >sF > Many industry observers see Itanium adoption increasing in the years ahead,C > though it is not clear how fast this will happen. This presents aH	 challenge,H > to HP's Itanium strategy. "The big question is around Itanium itself," HaffL > said. "Itanium has shown it can perform. But so far it is primarily a chip@ > for HP. The other big players are really not Itanium backers." >eJ > Although IBM, for example, sells some Itanium-based systems, its support ofI > the processor is "lukewarm," he noted. Smaller server vendors will sell J > Itanium machines if there is a big demand for it, "but they're certainly not6L > going to push it," Haff says. "So then the question becomes, to the degreeI > that Itanium is predominantly an HP processor -- to what extent do theypK > capture the benefits of having an industry-standard processor, if they'red > the only ones selling it?" >t# > ...[ a very good question indeed]m >o >tD > Somebody ought to take HP's Kathy Sowards and all her departmental	 colleaguecL > into a classroom and make them write on the blackboard 1000 times "OpenVMSK > is the best operating system HP offers and I will NEVER forget to mentionaF > that anytime I meet with the press, industry analysts, or customers,I > existing or prospective."  And once Kathy and her pals are done, carly,nJ > Blackmore, Fortier, Stallard, Marcello, Gorham, Blatz, and other 'suits'- > ought to be forced to do the same thing....e > E > And if the classroom exercise doesn't work, we take them behind the  > woodshed......  ;-)a >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:50:10 GMTF# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>'- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....againeH Message-ID: <C0Ppb.16042$152.12583@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Ken Robinson wrote: 4 > At 08:33 PM 11/3/2003, John Smith wrote (in part): >>L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=2&u=/nf/20031103/bs_ >> nf/22611&sid=95573658 >> >>0 >> HP Bets on Itanium with New Mid-Range Servers >> Mon Nov 3, 2:51 PM ET$ >> James Maguire, www.NewsFactor.com > H > But the earlier story at <http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031103/35455_1.html> > mentions VMS twice...     I did not see the earlier story.  I However there is *no excuse* for not mentioning VMS by ANY member of HP's63 staff who speaks to the press or industry analysts.d  J If they are going to say anything about operating systems then they shouldJ be saying "HP offers the industry's two best-in-class enterprise operatingF systems - OpenVMS and NSK, as well as HP-UX, Linux, and that Microsoft crap."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:55:07 +0000aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>M- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again:0 Message-ID: <bo8i4s$mhd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Ken Farmer wrote:o/ > The original press release is on OpenVMS.org:0; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/11/03/0879074  >  > It does mention VMS. >  > [snip] > L > "In addition, all of the top HP applications software partners and leadersL > in the software industry have committed major application suites to the HPJ > Integrity line. Nearly 1,000 applications are available today for HP-UX,B > Linux, and Microsoft Windows(R) Server 2003. Hundreds of OpenVMS* > applications are expected by mid-2004. " >    Meanwhile in the real world.  G Oracle still only support 4 Oracle applications or components on HP-UX/SE Linux on Itanium and 3 of them are basically the same product (DBMS).e  F No Oracle applications are qualified for Itanium. No change from last E quarter. They do support 7 products or components on Itanium/Windows a 2003 4 being databases.i  ( Oracle have ~300 products or components.  F BEA two products WLS and JROCKET (WLS JVM) supported on Linux/IA64 andC Windows 2003/IA64 no HP-UX support and no other products. No recent  change.   ? IBM no Websphere support, no Rational support no recent change.   6 Still no Sybase ASE support so no change there either.  @ HP's itanium ISV web site contains loads of ringing endorsements? for Itanium/HP but very little deliverable product and where it < is available its mostly development tools and HPC type apps.  : This hasn't changed much since the beginning of this year.     > [snip] > N > "The HP Integrity server family is the only one in the industry that can runG > all three of the most widely used operating systems: HP-UX 11i -- thefN > industry's leading UNIX operating system, Linux and Microsoft Windows ServerM > 2003. The OpenVMS operating system is expected to be available on Integrityd > servers in 2004."  >   ? Um HP-UX 11i also isn't the industries leading operating system  Solaris is.d    9 So that was a good press release full of truthfull stuff.e   Regards1 Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:33:42 -00003 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie>V- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....againw* Message-ID: <bo8n3a$q2d$1@kermit.esat.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i; wrote in message news:bo8i4s$mhd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...nA > Um HP-UX 11i also isn't the industries leading operating systemi
 > Solaris is.   H Sorry.  Neither of us may like it, but Windows is the industry's leadingK operating system.  Not the best, not the safest, but the one in the lead by J a long way.  As my old mentor said: "don't knock mediocrity - it's what we have most of".  0 So much for being in the real world, by the way.  ? ---------------------------------------------------------------i< Tom Wade             | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie? EuroKom              | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a/ Unit A2              |        a=eirmail400;c=ie-/ Nutgrove Office Park | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696e/ Rathfarnham          | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697t< Dublin 14            | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimerC Ireland              | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:29:06 -0800y/ From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com>l- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....againf/ Message-ID: <vqfoffc07hbl06@corp.supernews.com>    Tom Wade wrote:,  M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:bo8i4s$mhd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...t > A >>Um HP-UX 11i also isn't the industries leading operating system 
 >>Solaris is.i >  > J > Sorry.  Neither of us may like it, but Windows is the industry's leadingM > operating system.  Not the best, not the safest, but the one in the lead bysL > a long way.  As my old mentor said: "don't knock mediocrity - it's what we > have most of". > 2 > So much for being in the real world, by the way.  G Um, the original said HP-UX was the industry's leading *UNIX* operatingaC system. One now must quibble over the meaning of "leading." Perhapso3 they were referring to one of the DH Brown reports.t   -- o
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:43:27 +0000tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>r- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....againd0 Message-ID: <bo8og0$or5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Tom Wade wrote: M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>-= > wrote in message news:bo8i4s$mhd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com.... > A >>Um HP-UX 11i also isn't the industries leading operating systemi
 >>Solaris is.- >    Unix > J > Sorry.  Neither of us may like it, but Windows is the industry's leadingM > operating system.  Not the best, not the safest, but the one in the lead by0L > a long way.  As my old mentor said: "don't knock mediocrity - it's what we > have most of". > 2 > So much for being in the real world, by the way. > A > ---------------------------------------------------------------:> > Tom Wade             | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ieA > EuroKom              | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom; 1 > Unit A2              |        a=eirmail400;c=ie 1 > Nutgrove Office Park | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696i1 > Rathfarnham          | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697?> > Dublin 14            | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimerE > Ireland              | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"r >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:44:27 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>4- Subject: Re: VMS not mentioned by HP....again-0 Message-ID: <bo8ohr$or5$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Greg Cagle wrote:r > Tom Wade wrote:u > ' >> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" s* >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>> >> wrote in message news:bo8i4s$mhd$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >>C >>> Um HP-UX 11i also isn't the industries leading operating systemt >>> Solaris is.v >> >> >>K >> Sorry.  Neither of us may like it, but Windows is the industry's leadingpG >> operating system.  Not the best, not the safest, but the one in the e
 >> lead byF >> a long way.  As my old mentor said: "don't knock mediocrity - it's 
 >> what we >> have most of".e >>3 >> So much for being in the real world, by the way.  >  > I > Um, the original said HP-UX was the industry's leading *UNIX* operatingiE > system. One now must quibble over the meaning of "leading." Perhapsa5 > they were referring to one of the DH Brown reports.h >     < It is the leading UNIX opetating system supplied by a vendor whose name starts with an Hh   regards  Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 03:00:59 -0800u. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)> Subject: Re: X file selection dialog: display file name only ?; Message-ID: <224291b.0311040300.c412181@posting.google.com>y  D There are callback procedures you can use to override the finding ofF the files.  There is one to get the contents of the directory list andF one for the file list. Each of them can access the lists of the widget to change what is displayed.  A The standard file search proc passes on the wild-card part of thet@ filter specification to lib$find_file so, I assume, can't handle multiple types. @ To do that you would need your own "XmNqualifySearchDataProc" toB separate the fixed directory from the multiple wild-card parts and9 your own "XmNfileSearchProc" to do the multiple searches.h  B If you remove the directory part you may like to consider what youD will do for search-lists and wild-card directories as in those cases4 the directory spec distingushes between found files.   Martin Kirby  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FA6AFCF.D4FC0581@istop.com>... I > In a xwindows file selection dialog, is there a way to have the "files" M > selection box display only the filename (file name, extension, version) and1N > not include the directory path for each file in the list ? It is a big waste4 > of space and makes for a much more cluttered look. > I > Also, is it possible to have a default file specification that includes  > multiple extensions ?o > L > (for instance, display a file list that would include all *.C, and *.H ) ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:39:00 +0100k" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>E Subject: Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp.como2 Message-ID: <3fa7c81f$0$222$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   The window is back !...  Here is the URL:J http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/liveperson/proactive//need_help_on.gifQ But it's just a picture. No way to see what would be triggered when clicking the w
 GO button.   D.   Didier Morandi wrote:a  A > Looking for info, I just went to my favourite OpenVMS pages on cK > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms when a window suddenly popped up on my hK > M$ screen and a chat session started, powered by LivePerson. Here is the   > log: ../..k   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:52:06 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>  Subject: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?2 Message-ID: <3fa784e1$0$243$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  = For professional purposes, which one is the best one and why?e   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:43:47 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o$ Subject: Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?H Message-ID: <DWOpb.16002$152.14090@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Didier Morandi wrote: ? > For professional purposes, which one is the best one and why?k    I Fedex & DHL take care of customs clearances on your behalf. UPS makes you J use a separate customs broker or charges you an arm and a leg if you clear$ it through their 'preferred' broker.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:36:31 -0700l+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>o$ Subject: Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?' Message-ID: <3FA7C77F.4030003@MMaz.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:r  ? > For professional purposes, which one is the best one and why?d >cC And what does this have to do with VMS? You're really beginning to . stretch this, aren't you?    Barry@   -- m  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:44:33 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?2 Message-ID: <3fa7c96c$0$228$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:   > Didier Morandi wrote:  > @ >> For professional purposes, which one is the best one and why? >>) > And what does this have to do with VMS?g; sending a disk drive to HP to have VMS 8.1 installed on it.    D.O (PS: I recall for those who do not know that a post starting with "[OT]" means wO "Off topic" or something lke that, and this makes easy for the readers to skip g non-technical threads).n   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2003 09:58:31 -0600v- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n$ Subject: Re: [OT] FedEx, UPS or DHL?3 Message-ID: <Hl80t0$CoywW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3fa784e1$0$243$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: ? > For professional purposes, which one is the best one and why?w  C I used the FedEx Ship for many years, until they went Windows-only.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:09:34 +0100o" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>: Subject: [OT] Systran should hire to revise their dics :-)' Message-ID: <3FA7C12E.3050807@spam.com>@   lettre d'informationsh +)	 BabelFishT =k; neswletter (how do you pronounce that? "nizoueulle"??? :-),   LOLc  ! LOL + BabelFish = "hurle de rire"e   D.B (PS: I just learned that SYSTRAN was actually a French company...)C courriel : openvms (hat - h) prenomnom point (commercial - mercial)t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.612 ************************