1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 06 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 616       Contents:H Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsingH Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing An update on 'CPU WARS'  Re: An update on 'CPU WARS'  Re: An update on 'CPU WARS'  Re: An update on 'CPU WARS'  Re: An update on 'CPU WARS'  CASA Storage Product2 Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMS2 Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMS2 Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMSJ CONVERT/SHARE (was Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?)P Re: CONVERT/SHARE (was Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?) m. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch/ DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). 3 Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). 3 Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). 3 Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). : Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?: RE: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?: RE: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? Re: Erp running on Vms ?' Re: Expected transfer speeds using DSSI  Find former DECcies companies ? # Re: Find former DECcies companies ?  Re: Full Duplex NIC cards  Re: HP news from Brazil . Re: Opinions on Nemonix Ultra SCSI XMI adapter, OT: Reward for authors of malicious software0 Re: Piping X-Windows traffic over ssh on OpenVMS0 Re: Piping X-Windows traffic over ssh on OpenVMS Printing from OPENVMS  Re: Printing from OPENVMS  Re: Printing from OPENVMS $ QIO Function code for Telnet device. Re: VUP? Re: VUP? Re: We need your DS10 Systems ( Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?" Re: [OT] - VAX9000 (was: Re: VUP?)" Re: [OT] - VAX9000 (was: Re: VUP?)" Re: [OT] - VAX9000 (was: Re: VUP?)C [OT]: Microsoft putting up $5 million reward to catch cybervillains G Re: [OT]: Microsoft putting up $5 million reward to catch cybervillains G Re: [OT]: Microsoft putting up $5 million reward to catch cybervillains C Re: [semi-OT] SCSI jumpers (was: Re: newbie problem installing VMS)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:51:36 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Q Subject: Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing 8 Message-ID: <2ebiqvsbrnv40gr9faliquuu831chm5pb1@4ax.com>  7 On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:16:10 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:     > D >I just had a flash of jlsue and Bill Todd in that scene from "Monty >Python and The Holy Grail". > I >Sorry to be so rough on you, Jeff. With all the sunshine hp is likely to I >be "blowing up your skirt", it's easy to drift into a PollyAnna state...    Hey, I can take it... I think.D I merely challenge the lack of information being used as a source of information.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:14:18 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Q Subject: Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing ' Message-ID: <3FAA573A.F641355A@fsi.net>    jlsue wrote: > 9 > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:16:10 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > > F > >I just had a flash of jlsue and Bill Todd in that scene from "Monty > >Python and The Holy Grail". > > K > >Sorry to be so rough on you, Jeff. With all the sunshine hp is likely to K > >be "blowing up your skirt", it's easy to drift into a PollyAnna state...  >   > Hey, I can take it... I think.F > I merely challenge the lack of information being used as a source of > information.  E Very proper and common place. For example, a break in the data stream F from a sensor can indicate more than one situation: the sensor failed,F the object the sensor was on was destroyed, the link to the sensor wasB broken, etc. None the less, the lack of data indicates a situation worthy of attention.  ? No news is not necessarily good news, but is news all the same.   = Humans beings being what we are, we will follow the stream of D information. When that stream stops, we find (or generate) another.   H This can also be manipulated intentionally by suppressing an informationB stream to implant an impression, just as "enhanced" (or just plainH false) information can be planted to create a desired result, regardless; of the truth or ethics (or lack there of) that may involve.   : I know, its frustrating. It's just the reality of reality.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:36:46 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: An update on 'CPU WARS'* Message-ID: <3FA9EBFE.30604@tsoft-inc.com>  R Anyone who's been around for the last 3-4 years knows that I'm rather rabid about:  H VAX should have been kept around for those who find it a valid solution.  ' Alpha should never have been cancelled.   J Compaq made a horrible decision when they cancelled Alpha before a worthy # successor was available and proven.   O Intel/HP/Compaq really 'wanted' IA-64 to be a 'commodity' product.  However we   don't always get our wishes.  O The VMS port to IA-64 will most likely be very successful, and while EPIC is a  N rather bad idea, there will be CPUs available that will probably satisfy most 
 VMS users.  N AMD's HAMMER appeared to be a major fly in the 'IA-64 is commodity' ointment. O This topic has had many statements forthcoming from many people with differing  
 axs to grind.   P But enough of history.  The impact of HAMMER, now Opteron and Athlon/64, is now 4 beginning to unfold, and it is at times interesting.  C There is a rumor that Microsoft told Intel that another 64 bit x86  P implementation would not be supported by windows, thus implying that any 64 bit M x86 CPU produced by Intel had better be compatable with HAMMER.  While Intel  Q would prefer to have uncompatable CPUs and use it's muscle to do in AMD, if it's  M CPU would not run windoz, then that duck is so dead that it was never alive.  Q Should they do a HAMMER 'me-to', then that will be the volume/commodity CPU.  No  K doubt exists in my mind, and if others feel differently, I'm covering bets.   Q As for the statements about no tier 1 manufacturers signing up for Opteron, some   interesting stories and rumors:   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12522   O   And the mole tells us more about the four way AMD server we reported earlier  M today. HP worked on this box for about six months, and then stopped for four  L weeks. But at the end of September, a team of engineers went to work on the P project. The AMD Pilot box will already boot and run Windows 2000, and HP could % bring it to market within six months.   . Et tu Brutis!  (My apologies on the spelling.)  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12513   $ IBM delivers Opteron turnkey cluster, Big Blue expands its Opteron-based offerings  2 Note, you just don't get any more tier 1 than IBM!    ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12506    Newisys close to Sun AMD deal O PATRICK SAYS that Newisys, acquired earlier this year by Sanmina-SCI, is close  C to signing a deal with Sun Microsystems for a four way Opteron box.     ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12502   + Microsoft releases AMD-64 DirectX 9 preview     P So we have Opteron looking pretty good to the gamers, looking pretty good in 2, M 4, and 8 way servers, being used by Cray and others (IBM) for many CPU Linux  O supercomputers, and beating up IA-32 on 32 bit applications.  At this point in  N time it looks like HAMMER is going to be a winner.  Wonder how long Intel can 0 afford to watch this without taking some action?    H What is all this to the VMS faithful?  Well, before we had a low volume M non-commodity expensive CPU whose future was controlled by the owner of VMS.  Q The future may leave us with a lower volume non-commodity expensive CPU which is  H not controlled by the owner of VMS, who's owner's interest is elsewhere.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:23:33 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: An update on 'CPU WARS') Message-ID: <3FAA04F9.143C1FA9@istop.com>    David Froble wrote: J > VAX should have been kept around for those who find it a valid solution.  N After spending megamoney to develop Alpha, they needed to provide an incentiveI to move to Alpha. Unfortunatly, Palmer decided not to port much software,  forcing many to stay on vax.  ) > Alpha should never have been cancelled.   L They needed to help Intel cost justify the IA64 dead horse. By killing AlphaL they hoped to steer enough customers to that IA64 thing to help justify that IA64 thing.   K > Compaq made a horrible decision when they cancelled Alpha before a worthy % > successor was available and proven.   L or perhaps they were very naive in believing that IA64 was going to be readyK on time with performance that was already ahead of Alpha. Remember that the K murder of Alpha was announced just a few days after Intel had announced "a"  boot of Windows on IA64.  N On the other hand, when you consider that Curly and Carly were already writingH their nuptials, the timing of the murder is probably mroe related to theH merger than to Intel. Carly wanted Curly to do the dirty deed so that it wouldn't stain HP so much.  P > Intel/HP/Compaq really 'wanted' IA-64 to be a 'commodity' product.  However we > don't always get our wishes.  J Imagine if Compaq had decided to work with Alpha and started calling AlphaN "industry standard". That terms is now meaningless if HP uses it to denote theJ low production IA64 that is the last in the buch of processors. Power (AndK PowerPC) are more "industry standard" than IA64, and in fact, I would state K that ALpha is more industry standard than IA64 and will remain ahead for as  long as it outsels IA64.  P > The VMS port to IA-64 will most likely be very successful, and while EPIC is aO > rather bad idea, there will be CPUs available that will probably satisfy most  > VMS users.  H The whole thing could turn against HP. If Sun does move to a 64 bit 8086L commodity and industry standard, HP will be stuck with a low volume, bloatedJ and expensive chip that requires special compilers etc. Guess who would be more competitive ?  F Even if Sun ramains with Sparc, I suspect that Sparc woudl remain moreH competitive than IA64 simply because it is an etablished platform, large3 installed base, established compilers and software.   D > There is a rumor that Microsoft told Intel that another 64 bit x86Q > implementation would not be supported by windows, thus implying that any 64 bit A > x86 CPU produced by Intel had better be compatable with HAMMER.   H And when Intel unveils its 64 bit 8086, I would expect Microsoft to dump( support for IA64, like it did for Alpha.  N Imagine if Curly had struck a deal with AMD to move VMS anbd Tru64 to a 64 bitM 8086, and then get AMD to add lockstep so that Tandem NSK could be moved too. M HP would have had an interesting time absorbing Compaq (and perhapos wouldn't J have purchased Compaq to begin with). Such a Compaq move to AMD instead of' INtel would have probably aborted IA64.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:22:07 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: An update on 'CPU WARS'L Message-ID: <jOsqb.198967$3f.108558@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   David Froble wrote: G > Anyone who's been around for the last 3-4 years knows that I'm rather  > rabid about: > @ > VAX should have been kept around for those who find it a valid > solution.  > ) > Alpha should never have been cancelled.  > D > Compaq made a horrible decision when they cancelled Alpha before a, > worthy successor was available and proven. > D > Intel/HP/Compaq really 'wanted' IA-64 to be a 'commodity' product.) > However we don't always get our wishes.  > F > The VMS port to IA-64 will most likely be very successful, and whileC > EPIC is a rather bad idea, there will be CPUs available that will  > probably satisfy most  > VMS users. > E > AMD's HAMMER appeared to be a major fly in the 'IA-64 is commodity' D > ointment. This topic has had many statements forthcoming from many% > people with differing axs to grind.  > ? > But enough of history.  The impact of HAMMER, now Opteron and H > Athlon/64, is now beginning to unfold, and it is at times interesting. > D > There is a rumor that Microsoft told Intel that another 64 bit x86F > implementation would not be supported by windows, thus implying thatD > any 64 bit x86 CPU produced by Intel had better be compatable withE > HAMMER.  While Intel would prefer to have uncompatable CPUs and use G > it's muscle to do in AMD, if it's CPU would not run windoz, then that B > duck is so dead that it was never alive. Should they do a HAMMERG > 'me-to', then that will be the volume/commodity CPU.  No doubt exists @ > in my mind, and if others feel differently, I'm covering bets. > D > As for the statements about no tier 1 manufacturers signing up for/ > Opteron, some interesting stories and rumors:  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12522  > ? >   And the mole tells us more about the four way AMD server we E > reported earlier today. HP worked on this box for about six months, F > and then stopped for four weeks. But at the end of September, a teamB > of engineers went to work on the project. The AMD Pilot box willD > already boot and run Windows 2000, and HP could bring it to market > within six months. > 0 > Et tu Brutis!  (My apologies on the spelling.) > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12513  > & > IBM delivers Opteron turnkey cluster. > Big Blue expands its Opteron-based offerings > 4 > Note, you just don't get any more tier 1 than IBM! >  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12506  >  > Newisys close to Sun AMD deal G > PATRICK SAYS that Newisys, acquired earlier this year by Sanmina-SCI, 
 > is closeE > to signing a deal with Sun Microsystems for a four way Opteron box.  >  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12502  > - > Microsoft releases AMD-64 DirectX 9 preview  >  > F > So we have Opteron looking pretty good to the gamers, looking prettyF > good in 2, 4, and 8 way servers, being used by Cray and others (IBM)C > for many CPU Linux supercomputers, and beating up IA-32 on 32 bit G > applications.  At this point in time it looks like HAMMER is going to F > be a winner.  Wonder how long Intel can afford to watch this without > taking some action?  >  > B > What is all this to the VMS faithful?  Well, before we had a lowG > volume non-commodity expensive CPU whose future was controlled by the  > owner of VMS. E > The future may leave us with a lower volume non-commodity expensive @ > CPU which is not controlled by the owner of VMS, who's owner's > interest is elsewhere.    & Why would anyone be surprised at that?G When the decision was made those many years ago by HP to 'share' in the G development of Itanic, HP effectively placed its chip future in Intel's H hands. And at that time HP felt that it could not compete against comingL generations of Digital's Alpha, IBM's Power, or Sun/Fujitsu/whomever's SparcD unless they had some 'partner' to share the risk. In essence, all HPL effectively did was become a 'preferred customer' of Intel for a 64-bit chipL that Intel knew it would eventually have to make in some form or another. As> long as HP buys a suffienct volume of chips, or subsidizes the; design/development/manufacturing, Intel will be interested.   E That Alpha was owned by a company with a bunch of clowns in charge of L 'management' and strategic 'thinking' (if you can call it that) and dolts inH charge of marketing/advertising only served to make the other chips more competitive.  A Perhaps the appropriate analog is how airlines work with aircraft F manufacturers during the design/development stages - the airlines makeL specific suggestions about configurations based on their specific needs, andJ then certain engineering/design changes are incorporated which may benefitD the widest number of customers while incurring the least weight/costL penalty, or even an airline specific requirement that becomes 'standard' forL all - eg. Pan Am's request that the original generation of 747 incorporate a8 spiral staircase to the upper deck for 'pizaaz' reasons.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:13:02 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>$ Subject: Re: An update on 'CPU WARS'2 Message-ID: <37udnZmIpaW8HDeiRVn-gg@metrocast.net>  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message $ news:3FA9EBFE.30604@tsoft-inc.com...  L Aww - I was hoping that Chas Andres actually had come up with a sequel.  ButK the idea seemed such a good one that I just dropped him an email suggesting D what one could contain:  I suspect that he might find a considerable	 audience.   : As for the rest - yup.  But "Just wait for Tanglewood!"...   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:26:42 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>$ Subject: Re: An update on 'CPU WARS'2 Message-ID: <WtqdnfZi8dHIGTeiRVn-jg@metrocast.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3FAA04F9.143C1FA9@istop.com...    ...   L > Imagine if Compaq had decided to work with Alpha and started calling Alpha > "industry standard".  L Let's not:  that would have been even more ludicrous than the "open" in VMS.J Rather, simply imagine that Compaq had tried to sell Alpha and its systemsH on their real merits (as indeed Pfeiffer appeared to be doing during his brief ownership of them).    ...   F > > There is a rumor that Microsoft told Intel that another 64 bit x86L > > implementation would not be supported by windows, thus implying that any 64 bitC > > x86 CPU produced by Intel had better be compatable with HAMMER.  > J > And when Intel unveils its 64 bit 8086, I would expect Microsoft to dump* > support for IA64, like it did for Alpha.  L Why?  Microsoft really does want an entre into high-end computing, and is atJ least closer to having software that might be considered usable there thanI it was 3 years ago.  As long as Itanic doesn't sink completely but simply K becomes another high-end niche product, they'll probably support it to some / degree:  most of the hard work is already done.    > L > Imagine if Curly had struck a deal with AMD to move VMS anbd Tru64 to a 64 bit J > 8086, and then get AMD to add lockstep so that Tandem NSK could be moved too.  F Moving to Hammer in mid-2001 (from a much smaller vendor with shippingL products nowhere in sight, and without a critical feature that NSK required)G would have been even sillier than moving to Itanic (pathetic though its J shipping product was).  The obviously correct course was to continue AlphaJ development while - perhaps - initiating OS ports to other platforms so as@ to be ready if/when those other platforms also became desirable.  F > HP would have had an interesting time absorbing Compaq (and perhapos wouldn'tL > have purchased Compaq to begin with). Such a Compaq move to AMD instead of) > INtel would have probably aborted IA64.   K If Curly had been handling his DEC assets competently, being acquired by HP L would have been a complete non-issue.  But while, as noted, a move to AMD atI that time would have been silly, the lack of support for Itanic certainly L would have helped hasten its demise (or at least relegation to an HP niche).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:26:58 -0500" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> Subject: CASA Storage Product - Message-ID: <bodelq$b04@library1.airnews.net>   J     Several people have sugegsted we use CASA Storage products to link twoG remote SANs... has anyone yet notices that it does not support OpenVMS?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:03:41 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>; Subject: Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMS ) Message-ID: <3FAA0052.A15846AB@istop.com>    Thomas Dreher wrote:A > The PCs on the network getting their IP Addresses from the ADSL  > Modem/Routers  > DHCP Service.   M TCPIP Services only got a DHCP *client* at version 5.3 So with 5.0, it is far $ simpler to have a static IP address.  @ > When I try to Ping to the routers address 192.168.1.254 is not2 > successful and responds with "no route to host".  K You need to configure TCPIP Services ( @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG ) to enter L the main parameters such as its IP address, the network mask and the defaultE route. (not sure if default route is handled by TCPIP$CONFIG though).   L The message you got (no route to host) means that the VMS box considers yourK router to be outside of its own subnet, thus requiring the VMS host to send M the packet to a gateway/router, and if it doesn't have a default route out of 1 its subnet, it will fail as you have experienced.   J Normally, the router would be in the same subnet as your VMS machine so it should be pingable directly.  K However, you will want to add the router,s IP address as a default route in I VMS so that the VMS host can know how to get out to the internet.  If the 8 TCPIP$CONFIG doesn't ask for it, you can set it as such:D $TCPIP SET ROUTE /DEFAULT /GATEWAY=<ip.address.of.router> /PERMANENT9 $TCPIP SET ROUTE /DEFAULT /GATEWAY=<ip.address.of.router>   M To find out what your VMS machine thinks its IP address and network mask are:  TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE/FULL   K You will find an interface such as SE0 (name varies with hardware). It will L have an IP address and a network mask. I think that the 192.168 networks can, use a 255.255.0.0 mask if I am not mistaken.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:55:27 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>; Subject: Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMS 4 Message-ID: <3faa28ae$0$13284$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Thomas Dreher wrote:  L > Hi, I would like to add an AlphaStation 200 named "speedy" running OpenVMSH > 7.2-1 and TCP/IP Services for VMS V5.0A to my local network. The localC > network consists of 5 PCs, all connected through a hub to an ADSL ; > Modem/Router. The Alpha Box is also connected to the hub.  > O > The PCs on the network getting their IP Addresses from the ADSL Modem/Routers  >  DHCP Service. >  > Questions: > N > a) can I configure the TCP/IP Services for VMS such, that it will obtain an G > IP Address from the ADSL Modem/Routers DHCP Service, and if yes, how?   3 As JF said, yes, starting with TCP/IP 5.1 (not 5.3)  How: see below.   N > b) I would be happy to set a static IP Address for the Alpha, I just need toA > be able to have a RPC connection between the PCs and the Alpha.    No probs, see below too.  O > What I did so far is adding the Alpha's name and the Routers Name in the host > > database. like:  TCPIP>set host speedy /address=192.168.0.6 N > /network_submask=255.255.255.0 TCPIP>set host billion /address=192.168.1.254O > When I try to Ping to the routers address 192.168.1.254 is not successful and # > responds with "no route to host".   3 As JF said, the routing part is missing. See below.   M > Can somebody help me and tell me, what else has to be configured. -Routing?  > Name Server, etc? $ > I would be grateful for any hints.  O As I do have the very same config on two Alpha, here is the actions to perform:   L 1. upgrade to TCP/IP 5.1. If you do not have it, ask me how you can have it , legally (firstnamelastname at nerim dot net)   2. when this is done   DTL02> prod sh prod < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 CPQ AXPVMS GTK V1.2-10              Full LP     Installed 9 CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA M1.3             Full LP     Installed 9 CPQ AXPVMS OMSVA V1.2               Full LP     Installed 9 CPQ AXPVMS OPL V1.0-0A4             Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3     Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.4-2            Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.4-2           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS JAVA131 V1.3-14          Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS MMOV V2.2                Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3             Platform    Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3                 Oper System Installed < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------   call TCPIP$CONFIG.    This is the DHCP config process:   DTL02> @tcpip$config  K          Checking TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS configuration database files.   >          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Configuration Menu            Configuration options:   (                   1  -  Core environment)                   2  -  Client components )                   3  -  Server components +                   4  -  Optional components   C                   5  -  Shutdown Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS B                   6  -  Startup Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS!                   7  -  Run tests   /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 4 4                  [E] -  Exit configuration procedure   Enter configuration option: 1   O          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Core Environment Configuration Menu             Configuration options:                      1  -  Domain"                   2  -  Interfaces                   3  -  Routing %                   4  -  BIND Resolver !                   5  -  Time Zone   /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 5 !                  [E] -  Exit menu    Enter configuration option: 2    INTERFACE Configuration   9          The Ethernet device(s) on your system are: EWA0:   E          Start of configuration questions for Internet interface WE0.   )          WE0 is the Ethernet device EWA0:        Interface: WE0N     IP_Addr: 192.168.0.3       NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 192.168.0.255@      C_Addr:                 C_NETWRK:                 C_BRDCST:  
     Flags:      Receive buffer:            0  N          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Interface WE0 Reconfiguration Menu  !          Reconfiguration options:   L                   1  -  Configure interface manually       (Current default)4                   2  -  Let DHCP configure interface  D                  [E] -  Exit menu (Do not reconfigure interface WE0)   Enter configuration option: 2   B          End of configuration questions for Internet interface WE0  -          Primary DHCP Interface Configuration   :          DHCP Client configures system-wide parameters and@          interface-specific parameters.  Only one interface, the:          DHCP "primary" interface, can receive system-wide          parameters.  , Which interface? (WE0,NONE,HELP) [NONE]: we0  O          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Core Environment Configuration Menu             Configuration options:                      1  -  Domain"                   2  -  Interfaces                   3  -  Routing %                   4  -  BIND Resolver !                   5  -  Time Zone   /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 5 !                  [E] -  Exit menu    Enter configuration option: 3    DYNAMIC ROUTING Configuration   1          Dynamic routing has not been configured.   ;          You may configure dynamic ROUTED or GATED routing. >          You cannot enable both at the same time.  If you want>          to change from one to the other, you must disable the@          current routing first, then enable the desired routing.  E          If you enable dynamic ROUTED routing, this host will use the A          Routing Information Protocol (RIP) - Version 1 to listen >          for all dynamic routing information coming from other5          hosts to update its internal routing tables. :          It will also supply its own Internet addresses to1          routing requests made from remote hosts.   A          If you enable dynamic GATED routing, you will be able to D          configure this host to use any combination of the followingB          routing protocols to exchange dynamic routing information)          with other hosts on the network: ?              Routing Information Protocol (RIP) - Version 1 & 2 .              Router Discovery Protocol (RDISC),              Open Shortest Path First (OSPF),              Exterior Gateway Protocol (EGP),              Border Gateway Protocol (BGP-4)              Static routes  E * Do you want to configure dynamic ROUTED or GATED routing [NO]: <CR> 3 The current configuration for the default route is:   '                               PERMANENT   < Type           Destination                           Gateway  9 PN    0.0.0.0                               192.168.0.250 8 * Do you want to reconfigure a default route [YES]: <CR>> Enter your Default Gateway host name or address: 192.168.0.250  - [DMo] This is the address of your ADSL router   O          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Core Environment Configuration Menu             Configuration options:                      1  -  Domain"                   2  -  Interfaces                   3  -  Routing %                   4  -  BIND Resolver !                   5  -  Time Zone   /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 5 !                  [E] -  Exit menu     Enter configuration option: <CR>  >          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Configuration Menu            Configuration options:   (                   1  -  Core environment)                   2  -  Client components )                   3  -  Server components +                   4  -  Optional components   C                   5  -  Shutdown Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS B                   6  -  Startup Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS!                   7  -  Run tests   /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 4 4                  [E] -  Exit configuration procedure   Enter configuration option: ^Z   Done.   $ Here is the static IP address setup:   DTL02> @tcpip$config  K          Checking TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS configuration database files.   >          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Configuration Menu            Configuration options:   (                   1  -  Core environment)                   2  -  Client components )                   3  -  Server components +                   4  -  Optional components   C                   5  -  Shutdown Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS B                   6  -  Startup Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS!                   7  -  Run tests   /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 4 4                  [E] -  Exit configuration procedure   Enter configuration option: 1   O          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Core Environment Configuration Menu             Configuration options:                      1  -  Domain"                   2  -  Interfaces                   3  -  Routing %                   4  -  BIND Resolver !                   5  -  Time Zone   /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 5 !                  [E] -  Exit menu    Enter configuration option: 2    INTERFACE Configuration   9          The Ethernet device(s) on your system are: EWA0:   E          Start of configuration questions for Internet interface WE0.   )          WE0 is the Ethernet device EWA0:        Interface: WE0N     IP_Addr: 192.168.0.3       NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: 192.168.0.255@      C_Addr:                 C_NETWRK:                 C_BRDCST:  !     Flags:           DHCP PRIMARY       Receive buffer:            0  N          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Interface WE0 Reconfiguration Menu  !          Reconfiguration options:   4                   1  -  Configure interface manuallyL                   2  -  Let DHCP configure interface       (Current default)  D                  [E] -  Exit menu (Do not reconfigure interface WE0)   Enter configuration option: 1h2 Enter fully qualified host name [DTL02.DTL]: DTL02  /          Host DTL02.dtl exists in the database.n-          DTL02.dtl is an alias for DTL02.DTL.A  * Enter Internet address [192.168.0.3]: <CR>? Enter Internet network mask for DTL02.dtl [255.255.255.0]: <CR>o8 Enter broadcast mask for DTL02.dtl [192.168.0.255]: <CR>  <          The following parameters will be used to define the           Internet interface WE0:  -                  Host name:         DTL02.dtlr/                  Internet address:  192.168.0.3 1                  Network mask:      255.255.255.0n1                  Broadcast mask:    192.168.0.255a  " * Is the above correct [YES]: <CR>  B          End of configuration questions for Internet interface WE0  O          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Core Environment Configuration Menur            Configuration options:b                     1  -  Domain"                   2  -  Interfaces                   3  -  Routingo%                   4  -  BIND Resolvers!                   5  -  Time Zonea  /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 5m!                  [E] -  Exit menuy   Enter configuration option: 3k   DYNAMIC ROUTING Configurationt  1          Dynamic routing has not been configured.n  ;          You may configure dynamic ROUTED or GATED routing.h>          You cannot enable both at the same time.  If you want>          to change from one to the other, you must disable the@          current routing first, then enable the desired routing.  E          If you enable dynamic ROUTED routing, this host will use theCA          Routing Information Protocol (RIP) - Version 1 to listeni>          for all dynamic routing information coming from other5          hosts to update its internal routing tables.e:          It will also supply its own Internet addresses to1          routing requests made from remote hosts.   A          If you enable dynamic GATED routing, you will be able to6D          configure this host to use any combination of the followingB          routing protocols to exchange dynamic routing information)          with other hosts on the network: ?              Routing Information Protocol (RIP) - Version 1 & 2l.              Router Discovery Protocol (RDISC),              Open Shortest Path First (OSPF),              Exterior Gateway Protocol (EGP),              Border Gateway Protocol (BGP-4)              Static routes  E * Do you want to configure dynamic ROUTED or GATED routing [NO]: <CR>x3 The current configuration for the default route is:   '                               PERMANENTn  < Type           Destination                           Gateway  9 PN    0.0.0.0                               192.168.0.250e5 * Do you want to reconfigure a default route [YES]: n Q [DMo] I typed NO as it was already correct. You should enter your ADSL router IP   address in here.  O          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Core Environment Configuration Menut            Configuration options:n                     1  -  Domain"                   2  -  Interfaces                   3  -  Routings%                   4  -  BIND Resolver-!                   5  -  Time Zone0  /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 5a!                  [E] -  Exit menu:    Enter configuration option: <CR>  >          Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Configuration Menu            Configuration options:   (                   1  -  Core environment)                   2  -  Client componentsr)                   3  -  Server componentss+                   4  -  Optional components   C                   5  -  Shutdown Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMSfB                   6  -  Startup Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS!                   7  -  Run testsy  /                   A  -  Configure options 1 - 4.4                  [E] -  Exit configuration procedure    Enter configuration option: <CR> DTL02>  	 Et voil.mC Then you stop TCP/IP then restart it and you've got a new uncle :-) N Anyway, if you need fixed IP, forget about DHCP, forget about updating TCP/IP  and that's it.   Any problem, come back.s   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:24:52 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG; Subject: Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMSe0 Message-ID: <00A287BF.8B29992E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <fa2e75be.0311052245.39d7cd76@posting.google.com>, tdreher@economweb.com (Thomas Dreher) writes:yD >Hi, I would like to add an AlphaStation 200 named "speedy" running E >OpenVMS 7.2-1 and TCP/IP Services for VMS V5.0A to my local network.tD >The local network consists of 5 PCs, all connected through a hub toB >an ADSL Modem/Router. The Alpha Box is also connected to the hub. >y@ >The PCs on the network getting their IP Addresses from the ADSL >Modem/Routers >DHCP Service. >r >Questions:  >eB >a) can I configure the TCP/IP Services for VMS such, that it will
 >obtain anD >   IP Address from the ADSL Modem/Routers DHCP Service, and if yes, >how?>   Install TCPIP V5.3.    >W? >b) I would be happy to set a static IP Address for the Alpha, bG >   I just need to be able to have a RPC connection between the PCs andA >the >   Alpha. k > E >What I did so far is adding the Alpha's name and the Routers Name inv >the host database. 2 >like:  TCPIP>set host speedy /address=192.168.0.6 >/network_submask=255.255.255.0 5 >       TCPIP>set host billion /address=192.168.1.254a >d? >When I try to Ping to the routers address 192.168.1.254 is notg1 >successful and responds with "no route to host".i  F Different subnets.  Try 192.168.1.6 for the Alpha.  Also, most of the C routers that supply addresses via DHCP can be set to do so within aME range you specify.  Configure your router to provide DHCP from a pooleD large enough to support your PeeCees and then statically define your Alpha.      B >Can somebody help me and tell me, what else has to be configured. >-Routing? Name Server, etc? > # >I would be grateful for any hints.i >  >thansk and regards  >a >Thomasa  J I have a page on connecting VMS to the internet.  It need some updating asK I have use a number of bits of equipment now that I could add to the page'seJ discussion.  ( http://www.tmesis.com/internet )  If you have any specific J question, let those of us here (or email me privately) know the brand name. of the router and other equipment in question.  J I've also taken a recent foray into wireless 802.11b+g which I need to add to the /internet page. -- bL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:58:58 -0600?( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)S Subject: CONVERT/SHARE (was Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?)x1 Message-ID: <03110610585877@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   1 I am going to be ignorant here so bear with me...r  C > Clearly if you can not shut the system down to get a clean backupdC > as often as you think you should have your system disk backed up,sD > your one and only usefull option is to do something that gives youB > backups while the system is up in conjuntion with doing anythingG > that it is practical to do to increase the probability of the backupstC > being good. A good example would be to shut off anything you can,2A > do a CONVERT/SHARE on the files that this can help recover, andaB > then do the backup with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK and hope for the best.E > In such a case there is hope - but there is none if you do nothing.t  A What is the advanatage of COVERT/SHARE over BACKUP/IGNORE=INTER ?   3 From HELP CONVERT file /SHARE I find the following:   D        You can use the /SHARE option to generate a rough backup of aC        file that is always opened for sharing by some applications.eH        However, another process can alter the records during the ConvertE        utility operations. As a result, the consistency of the outputd!        file cannot be guaranteed.a  / From HELP BACKUPS /IGNORE I find the following:W  A      INTERLOCK        Processes files that otherwise could not beuA                       processed due to file access conflicts. Use F                       this option to save or copy files currently openC                       for writing. You must have the user privilege F                       SYSPRV, a system UIC, or ownership of the volume)                       to use this option.     O So they seem to do similiar things, is it that the CONVERT is creating a propera, INDEX of sorts?  Proper records structure?         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:15:06 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>dY Subject: Re: CONVERT/SHARE (was Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?) m / Message-ID: <3FAA8E9B.1BA18184@eps.zko.dec.com>   O Use convert/share. Do NOT use back/ignore=interlock if you care about the data.a  Q Convert/share will ganrantuee you a 'wholesome' file, with fully updated records.s  O It will only not garantuee time arrival order. It walks records by primary key.   P So if a single business event updates a high key first, and a low key next, thenP the old instance of the low key record might already be in the new file, and theN data will be inconsistent from an application perspective. This is normally no3 problem for SYSUAF, VMSMAIL_PROFILE, RIGHTSLIST,...   O With backup/ingore = interlock, you may (albeit very unlikely) actually be ablenS to read a partialy updated record (needs fragmented buckets and a lot of bad luckl)d  N It is also relatively easy to catch a file in movement, with internal pointers being C updated, making the output useless. Not just inconsistent, useless.yS Still, you can often get away with it as most system apps do not use deferred writel  S and rms uses carefull writes, writting target objects first before writing pointerse to it.R But if you place the careful writes against a non-interlocked sweep over vbn spaceO then I coudl still see this go wrong creating for example a loop at data level.i   Hein.h     John Brandon wrote:h  3 > I am going to be ignorant here so bear with me...  >nE > > Clearly if you can not shut the system down to get a clean backuprE > > as often as you think you should have your system disk backed up,IF > > your one and only usefull option is to do something that gives youD > > backups while the system is up in conjuntion with doing anythingI > > that it is practical to do to increase the probability of the backupsaE > > being good. A good example would be to shut off anything you can,dC > > do a CONVERT/SHARE on the files that this can help recover, andtD > > then do the backup with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK and hope for the best.G > > In such a case there is hope - but there is none if you do nothing.  >eC > What is the advanatage of COVERT/SHARE over BACKUP/IGNORE=INTER ?l >e5 > From HELP CONVERT file /SHARE I find the following:  > F >        You can use the /SHARE option to generate a rough backup of aE >        file that is always opened for sharing by some applications.6J >        However, another process can alter the records during the ConvertG >        utility operations. As a result, the consistency of the outputp# >        file cannot be guaranteed.l >.1 > From HELP BACKUPS /IGNORE I find the following:m > C >      INTERLOCK        Processes files that otherwise could not be C >                       processed due to file access conflicts. UsegH >                       this option to save or copy files currently openE >                       for writing. You must have the user privilegeaH >                       SYSPRV, a system UIC, or ownership of the volume+ >                       to use this option.y >sQ > So they seem to do similiar things, is it that the CONVERT is creating a properw, > INDEX of sorts?  Proper records structure? >r > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*no > VMS Systems Administrator-, > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:05:53 -0600o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batchc' Message-ID: <3FAA5541.CB05C918@fsi.net>w   JF Mezei wrote:o > [snip]J > Having one fixed time helps a lot. And that is GMT. (England is at GMT+1 > during summer BTW).   ; Re: Aviation, the military, the maritime, etc., say "Zulu".e   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsb http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:37:49 GMTt3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batchn2 Message-ID: <hVtqb.8542$6K6.5761@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 In article <pjOefZC88MQm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 6 kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:  A >I tried to use the gmtime calls in C and they relied on the UTC bB >settings, especially SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL.  Since it is thisB >logical that I had problems with in the first place, so using GMT8 >was no gain.  At least that is the way it seemed to me.  J Maybe I am missing something, but it seems to me that if the local system I time and "the UTC settings, especially SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" change tJ concurrently (and correctly) then GMT, calculated from local time and TDF,E will NOT change.  i.e. I would expect successsive calls to gmtime to  A produce strictly increasing times over daylight/standard changes.e Did you find this not to be so?    -- wJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:42:06 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)07 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch 2 Message-ID: <iZtqb.8543$6K6.1749@news.cpqcorp.net>  ( In article <3FA9A8E2.A3E9CE0E@fsi.net>, 3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   F >... The issue in my case is date/time stamps for medical records. ...  H Including the zone and daylight/standard information with the time stampK would seem to solve this.  Given the legal issues relative to such records,qA I would not want to stamp them with a time known to be incorrect.a   -- iJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:46:07 GMTe3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)a7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batchi2 Message-ID: <31uqb.8544$6K6.2349@news.cpqcorp.net>  * In article <3FA9BA97.5C27E1EB@istop.com>, , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  N >It might be simpler to have the clock set to GMT (never needing time changes)H >and then have applications add the GMT offset when displaying the time,$ >according to the local node's time.  H No "might" about it.  But how do you maitain compatibility with existingF systems?  Including RMS, for example.  (Including years of backups and other history.)    -- ?J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:49:29 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>h8 Subject: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).. Message-ID: <bod503$san$1@info.service.rug.nl>  1 After the recent change from DST to non-DST time,e3 I have redefined the MULTINET, PMDF en SYS timezonee: logicals. I also ran the SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM/ to update these logicals for the whole cluster.A  < It seems that most application now display the correct time,? but apparently something is still missing. E.g., the DECWindows ? clock (SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$CLOCK.EXE) is one hour off. (It has been A set back two hours instead of one hour!) A few other applicationsg have the same problem.B For those systems that have rebooted since the change, it displays the correct time.p? (I suspect that the DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS procedure still forgets toeA update one or more  logicals, which are set correctly at system =w	 startup.)nA The questions is, can this be repaired without rebooting and how?h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:19:24 GMTa& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>< Subject: Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).8 Message-ID: <4epkqvgun9iba1fkhqngg5pcuitn3gi2pt@4ax.com>  I On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:49:29 +0100, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote:d  2 >After the recent change from DST to non-DST time,4 >I have redefined the MULTINET, PMDF en SYS timezone; >logicals. I also ran the SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COMs0 >to update these logicals for the whole cluster. > = >It seems that most application now display the correct time, @ >but apparently something is still missing. E.g., the DECWindows@ >clock (SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$CLOCK.EXE) is one hour off. (It has beenB >set back two hours instead of one hour!) A few other applications >have the same problem..C >For those systems that have rebooted since the change, it displays  >the correct time.@ >(I suspect that the DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS procedure still forgets toJ >update one or more  logicals, which are set correctly at system startup.)B >The questions is, can this be repaired without rebooting and how?  - Fred, have you tried issuing the DCL Command:a   	$ SET TIMEr  K I.e., just as above, without the "=xxxxx" part.  This is just a guess on myh0 part, I haven't experienced this problem myself.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:14:39 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>s< Subject: Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).. Message-ID: <bodric$6qb$1@info.service.rug.nl>  5 "jlsue" <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message =l2 news:4epkqvgun9iba1fkhqngg5pcuitn3gi2pt@4ax.com...   > ...h  / > Fred, have you tried issuing the DCL Command:e >=20 > $ SET TIME >=20E > I.e., just as above, without the "=3Dxxxxx" part.  This is just a =c guess on myp2 > part, I haven't experienced this problem myself. >=20  / SHOW TIME displayed the time already correctly.t' I tried SET TIME, but it does not help.f   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 09:17:18 -0800 . From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)< Subject: Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).< Message-ID: <224291b.0311060917.615464e9@posting.google.com>  8 What version of OpenVMS and what version of DECwindows ?  E DECW$CLOCK uses the C RTL functions "time" and "localtime" to get the @ time data. Prior to DECwindows V1.3 it was supported on pre-V7.1B systems so must have used the non-UTC versions of these functions.D For V1.3 it is only supported on V7.3-1 so it may, but I don't know,6 have changed to use the UTC versions of the functions.  D If you restart DECW$CLOCK does it show the correct time, i.e. may beC something cached in the process execution, or the wrong time, i.e.  9 it is something that drives the non-UTC C rtl functions ?l   Martin Kirby  [ "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote in message news:<bod503$san$1@info.service.rug.nl>...n3 > After the recent change from DST to non-DST time,m5 > I have redefined the MULTINET, PMDF en SYS timezone < > logicals. I also ran the SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT SAVINGS.COM1 > to update these logicals for the whole cluster.  > > > It seems that most application now display the correct time,A > but apparently something is still missing. E.g., the DECWindows A > clock (SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$CLOCK.EXE) is one hour off. (It has beenPC > set back two hours instead of one hour!) A few other applicationsN > have the same problem.D > For those systems that have rebooted since the change, it displays > the correct time.iA > (I suspect that the DAYLIGHT SAVINGS procedure still forgets toSB > update one or more  logicals, which are set correctly at system  > startup.)sC > The questions is, can this be repaired without rebooting and how?,   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:09:09 GMT - From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com>iC Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?e& Message-ID: <3FAA3969.6B8273D7@hp.com>   JF Mezei wrote:s > E > > >> An interesting experiment would be to find an old disk with anlH > > >> easily accessible "write protect" button on the outside.  Boot upF > > >> VMS from such a disk, get your applications going (yes, even ifH > > >> they are on a different disk), and then write protect your system > > >> disk. > O > The audit server would get mighty mad at not being able to write its logs and O > probably freeze the system. OPCOM woudl also get mighty mad with inability toaP > write to operator.log, and the queue manager would also complain bitterly. You" > woudln't have a happy family :-)  G I've tried something similar - actually I was trying to build a minimalsB OpenVMS system on a CD - If SYSUAF.DAT is not writeable you cannotG login. SYSUAF is also a file I have seen corrupted after a restore from # backup done with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK.tD You always have _some_ applications on the system disk - they're putG there when you install OpenVMS. They're just not 3-rd party. To quiesceuF the system disk sufficiently to close all files/applications you might as well shutdown  H Basic question has already been asked: If your system is critical enoughA to be up 24x365, then surely you should be _entirely_ sure of theA/ quality of your backups, not 'reasonably' sure?uA Of course you could always restore a previous backup, and and one H previous to that ... until you hit a good one, with a decreasing risk of6 failure. But it sounds inconvenient and open to error.   Mike -- mE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*:F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----M Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------e   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:57:46 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukC Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?S) Message-ID: <bodgga$dth$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>s  V In article <3FA95E35.5222187D@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:D >> >> An interesting experiment would be to find an old disk with anG >> >> easily accessible "write protect" button on the outside.  Boot upvE >> >> VMS from such a disk, get your applications going (yes, even ifoG >> >> they are on a different disk), and then write protect your systemN >> >> disk.s >  >aN >The audit server would get mighty mad at not being able to write its logs andN >probably freeze the system. OPCOM woudl also get mighty mad with inability toO >write to operator.log, and the queue manager would also complain bitterly. You ! >woudln't have a happy family :-)   M Which is why you would define the logicals as documented in sylogicals.com toeN move these and other files off the system disk before you write protected it.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:42:31 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>eC Subject: RE: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?pQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D502D06A15@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   I not to split hairs, but unless you do a periodic restore to another disk,-E you are always reasonably sure your backups are ok, not 100%.  Things J happen.  Tapes go bad, hidden issues with the backup or restore procedures go unnoticed, etc.   -----Original Message-----5 From: Mike Rechtman [mailto:michael.rechtman@hp.com] n) Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:09 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComEC Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?F     JF Mezei wrote:  > F > > >> An interesting experiment would be to find an old disk with an I > > >> easily accessible "write protect" button on the outside.  Boot up XG > > >> VMS from such a disk, get your applications going (yes, even if VI > > >> they are on a different disk), and then write protect your system   > > >> disk. > G > The audit server would get mighty mad at not being able to write its -G > logs and probably freeze the system. OPCOM woudl also get mighty mad .G > with inability to write to operator.log, and the queue manager would C> > also complain bitterly. You woudln't have a happy family :-)  G I've tried something similar - actually I was trying to build a minimal I OpenVMS system on a CD - If SYSUAF.DAT is not writeable you cannot login. L SYSUAF is also a file I have seen corrupted after a restore from backup doneI with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK. You always have _some_ applications on the system H disk - they're put there when you install OpenVMS. They're just not 3-rd; party. To quiesce the system disk sufficiently to close all - files/applications you might as well shutdownf  K Basic question has already been asked: If your system is critical enough tonI be up 24x365, then surely you should be _entirely_ sure of the quality of I your backups, not 'reasonably' sure? Of course you could always restore a K previous backup, and and one previous to that ... until you hit a good one, I with a decreasing risk of failure. But it sounds inconvenient and open to  error.   Mike --  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------[E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.r? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*0F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------1 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------r  ) -----------------------------------------s The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of  the original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 07:41:18 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)oC Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?-3 Message-ID: <Wi9f8bV4kGeA@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  U In article <3FA95B25.7050707@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:I > K >>   SYS.EXE gets modified every time you do a "set time=xxx" command, such E >>   as during a normal system shutdown.  That's where time time cellYI >>   exists that gets checked against the battery powered hardware clock oK >>   during boot to determine whether VMS should use the hardware clock or n >>   prompt for the time.. >>H > Nope, at least not on 7.2.  I just made a copy of the image, issued a G > set time altering the system time, and then made another copy of the   > image and itis identical.r  D    The data cell may have moved, or may be architecture dependent.  J    My old internals manual (V4.4) has that it was in SYS$SYSTEM:SYS.EXE.  I    Back when the kernel got broken up (5.0 I think) SYS.EXE got moved to mC    SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES.  My Alpha V1.5 manual has the data cell in t7    SYS$BASE_IMAGE.EXE, a file my VAX doesn't even have.p  A    Also, there is (was?) a difference between "set time=xxx" and  G    "set time".  SHUTDOWN.COM only bothers doing "set time="''f$time()'" D    which should have the affect of updating the on disk clock to the    current time.  K >>   Some layered products maintain data in global sections backed by .EXE   >>   files.a >>   >>K > That is never meant to be static, when the global sections are unmapped, U > the data is gone![  G    Nope.  The reason the sections are file backed, rather than pagefile G    backed, is that the product requires the data to stick around.  When E    the last map to the section is unmapped the data is flushed to the9
    disk file.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:26:58 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>C Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?a/ Message-ID: <00A287D0.972B2E8C.1@tachysoft.com>n  K >Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (198.151.12.104) by moe.tachysoft.com (MX V5.3 5 >          AnHm) with SMTP for <wayne@tachysoft.com>; ) >          Thu, 6 Nov 2003 04:40:33 -0500-' >Message-ID: <3FAA3969.6B8273D7@hp.com> . >From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> >Organization: HP I >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V6.2     VAXstation 4000-60)  >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsD >Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?+ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciil  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 >Lines: 42$ >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:09:09 GMT >X-Complaints-To: abuse@HP.comN >X-Trace: news.cpqcorp.net 1068113349 16.190.233.99 (Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:09:09 >         PST)1 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:09:09 PST 2 >Reply-To: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> >X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.com  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET >  >JF Mezei wrote: >>  F >> > >> An interesting experiment would be to find an old disk with anI >> > >> easily accessible "write protect" button on the outside.  Boot up G >> > >> VMS from such a disk, get your applications going (yes, even ifnI >> > >> they are on a different disk), and then write protect your system 
 >> > >> disk.l >> cP >> The audit server would get mighty mad at not being able to write its logs andP >> probably freeze the system. OPCOM woudl also get mighty mad with inability toQ >> write to operator.log, and the queue manager would also complain bitterly. You # >> woudln't have a happy family :-)  > H >I've tried something similar - actually I was trying to build a minimalC >OpenVMS system on a CD - If SYSUAF.DAT is not writeable you cannotaH >login. SYSUAF is also a file I have seen corrupted after a restore from$ >backup done with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK.E >You always have _some_ applications on the system disk - they're put H >there when you install OpenVMS. They're just not 3-rd party. To quiesceG >the system disk sufficiently to close all files/applications you might  >as well shutdown  >]I >Basic question has already been asked: If your system is critical enough B >to be up 24x365, then surely you should be _entirely_ sure of the0 >quality of your backups, not 'reasonably' sure?B >Of course you could always restore a previous backup, and and oneI >previous to that ... until you hit a good one, with a decreasing risk of 7 >failure. But it sounds inconvenient and open to error.T >:  J One possible compromise would be to do a standalone backup to another diskL rather than to a tape, i.e. snapshot the system disk with an image backup toM another drive of the same type.  This would still require a shutdown, but the M disk-to-disk backup would be faster, so the system wouldn't be down as long. uK Then you could either save the disk backup, or back *it* up to tape at your  leisure.  L You could also use the *new* disk as the system disk and use the original asM the backup.  This would give the advantage of defragmenting the system disk.  K It's especially easy with storageworks because you can just swap the drives.? after the system backup and not have to change the boot device.5  & It does require a spare drive, though.O ===============================================================================tN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   .O ===============================================================================aH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:41:21 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> C Subject: RE: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? Q Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D502D06A22@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   A Hmmm here's an idea for tha paranoid - do a disk to disk with the K /ignore=interlock; capture which files return a warning, then do a shutdown  and only back up those.....o   -----Original Message-----0 From: Wayne Sewell [mailto:wayne@tachysoft.com] ) Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:27 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComtC Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?o    K >Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (198.151.12.104) by moe.tachysoft.com (MX V5.3e5 >          AnHm) with SMTP for <wayne@tachysoft.com>;t) >          Thu, 6 Nov 2003 04:40:33 -0500i' >Message-ID: <3FAA3969.6B8273D7@hp.com> . >From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> >Organization: HPmI >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V6.2     VAXstation 4000-60)  >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsD >Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?+ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciie  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 >Lines: 42$ >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:09:09 GMT >X-Complaints-To: abuse@HP.comE >X-Trace: news.cpqcorp.net 1068113349 16.190.233.99 (Thu, 06 Nov 2003  02:09:09 >         PST)1 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:09:09 PST 2 >Reply-To: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> >X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.com  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET >  >JF Mezei wrote: >> )G >> > >> An interesting experiment would be to find an old disk with an  G >> > >> easily accessible "write protect" button on the outside.  Boot oH >> > >> up VMS from such a disk, get your applications going (yes, even F >> > >> if they are on a different disk), and then write protect your  >> > >> system disk. >> .H >> The audit server would get mighty mad at not being able to write its H >> logs and probably freeze the system. OPCOM woudl also get mighty mad H >> with inability to write to operator.log, and the queue manager would ? >> also complain bitterly. You woudln't have a happy family :-)  > I >I've tried something similar - actually I was trying to build a minimal  D >OpenVMS system on a CD - If SYSUAF.DAT is not writeable you cannot I >login. SYSUAF is also a file I have seen corrupted after a restore from aI >backup done with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK. You always have _some_ applications  B >on the system disk - they're put there when you install OpenVMS. I >They're just not 3-rd party. To quiesce the system disk sufficiently to  8 >close all files/applications you might as well shutdown > C >Basic question has already been asked: If your system is critical  F >enough to be up 24x365, then surely you should be _entirely_ sure of I >the quality of your backups, not 'reasonably' sure? Of course you could  D >always restore a previous backup, and and one previous to that ... E >until you hit a good one, with a decreasing risk of failure. But it e' >sounds inconvenient and open to error.t >i  J One possible compromise would be to do a standalone backup to another diskL rather than to a tape, i.e. snapshot the system disk with an image backup toI another drive of the same type.  This would still require a shutdown, but-J the disk-to-disk backup would be faster, so the system wouldn't be down as long. K Then you could either save the disk backup, or back *it* up to tape at yourA leisure.  L You could also use the *new* disk as the system disk and use the original asL the backup.  This would give the advantage of defragmenting the system disk.  K It's especially easy with storageworks because you can just swap the drivesc? after the system backup and not have to change the boot device.t  & It does require a spare drive, though.L ============================================================================ ===o8 Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.come; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   SL ============================================================================ ===RH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"h  ) -----------------------------------------e The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of  the original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions.r   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 05:54:16 -0800e0 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg)! Subject: Re: Erp running on Vms ? = Message-ID: <3a65a5c8.0311060554.69a1b370@posting.google.com>e  G Oracle Classic and Oracle Rdb are not leaving OpenVMS! Oracle has over f* 80% of the OpenVMS-based database market.   H I suppose you can use either on OpenVMS as the backend database for the D Oracle Applications Suite. With the SQL*NET Middleware (OCI/Net 8), I Oracle Rdb appears to the world to be an Oracle Classic database. Almost sG all Oracle tools, languages, Web-integration, and third-party products eH will work with Oracle Rdb. So if you have an ERP Package that can attachA to Oracle Classic using OCI, you can probably use it to attach toiB Oracle Classic or Oracle Rdb on OpenVMS. Whether the configurationD is certified or supported is another question best made directly to  the ERP supplier.   B You can find a definition of ERP at the TechWeb Encyclopedia here:C http://content.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm?term=erp&x=0&y=0gF ----------------------------------------------------------------------E (Enterprise Resource Planning) An integrated information system that hA serves all departments within an enterprise. Evolving out of the  A manufacturing industry, ERP implies the use of packaged software mA rather than proprietary software written by or for one customer.  @ ERP modules may be able to interface with an organization's own ? software with varying degrees of effort, and, depending on the TD software, ERP modules may be alterable via the vendor's proprietary ? tools as well as proprietary or standard programming languages.a  C An ERP system can include software for manufacturing, order entry,  = accounts receivable and payable, general ledger, purchasing, H? warehousing, transportation and human resources. The major ERP u< vendors are SAP, PeopleSoft, Oracle, Baan and J.D. Edwards. C Lawson Software specializes in back-end processing that integrates H+ with another vendor's manufacturing system. B ------------------------------------------------------------------  
 Editorial:7 By the way, I also don't understand the use of the word ? "proprietary" to differentiate with "packaged software" in the rD definition above. I suppose this illustrates a common misconception 4 promoted in the software industry to sell software.   J Any non-trivial software system to solve a non-trivial problem(s) requiresC non-trivial effort and skill to understand, maintain, test, support C and adapt it to a changing world. Regardless if it is proprietary,  B public-domain, packaged, piecemeal, free, licensed, open, closed,  legacy (mature) or  immature.i  K YMMV dependent on the quality and motivation of your software developer(s).*G Free lunches are to be enjoyed with due dilligence, care and realistic e expectations. 
 <EOEditorial>-   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg0, Somewhere at the edge of Kalamazoo, Michigan    c "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<h5lqb.1331$0u.1152@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...kK > I didn't know that Oracle left VMS.  We have Oracle Parallel Server (OPS)v > running our App on VMS.i > I > Can you explain what you mean by ERP?  I do not understand the Acronym.o > / > labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote in message . > news:bo93c8$9bk$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr...K > > I know many customers are leaving Vms because they are moving to an Erpi- > > (Sap, Baan, Bpcs, Oracle applications...)  > >n > > Sap used to run on Vms.t > >a@ > > I wonder if there was an Erp available, today or in project. > >cF > > I think it may be critical for the future of Vms (on Vax, Alpha or >  Itanium). > >  > > Regardsu > >o
 > > Grard > >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:09:32 +0000r& From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>0 Subject: Re: Expected transfer speeds using DSSI' Message-ID: <bocvkl$i2k$1@lore.csc.com>o   Timothy Kupp wrote:,
 > VAX 7000 > VMS 5.5-2s > ' > Hardware	Advertised speed	Descriptionu' > --------	----------------	-----------m9 > KFSMA		4MB/s per port		DSSI adapter card with two portsr* > HSD10		3MB/s			cabinet for SCSI devices; > 					  connects to DSSI busf0 > TZ88		1.5MB/s uncompressed	SCSI DLT tape drive > 		2.5MB/s compressed% > RZ29?		9MB/s?			4GB SCSI hard driveg >   # I've cut the description details...i  G The first thing I would ask, is have you looked at/read and acted upon  3 the OpenVMS article that talks about BACKUP tuning?   H Even with this behind your belt, and assuming you're fully patched as a H 5.5-2 can be, BACKUP today on the most recent versions gives you around A 90% of the total available bandwidth as a maximum, with no other p@ mitigating factors. However I'm talking VMS 7.2 / 7.3 and Alpha.  I Some of the factors which could be working against you are, even if your wF BACKUP process was tuned optimally, file fragmentation, memory paging @ issues, other system activity or misconfiguration / incorrectly D configured factors, and even the potential of hardware issues which ; don't generate errors (e.g. wide SCSI operating at narrow).h  I And after having said all that, BACKUP is a "pull" and "push" operation, VB reads from source to fill buffers, then writes the buffers to the I output, and repeat until done, so the input and output device will never sG be 100% busy. The tuning of the process makes the best of that "middle c buffering".   I We will take it as read that your BACKUP command is using an appropriate  I block size for the medium concerned and you are also aware that there is mE an approximate 11-12% overhead for error recovery data using default  B settings, but this could be different. If the block size above is L something you've never considered, then stop right now and check that first.  I If this is causing you a problem, then perhaps you should look at either tI implementing a CI solution, or radically, and probably preferably, using yG Nemonix UltraSCSI directly connected devices. DSSI is for a 7000 class  F VAX definitely a bottleneck, and you don't even say if your HSD10 has B cache or not. Personally, I'd opt for removing the DSSI connected G storage (it may be used for cluster comms, you've not said either way) m+ and putting in the XMI boards from Nemonix.-  1 (I note your other thread, I'll respond to that).5   -- 0? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesR nclews at spamblock csc dot comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:32:42 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: Find former DECcies companies ?4 Message-ID: <3faa3168$0$13295$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  L How can I find worldwide former DECcies who created their companies and are 7 still doing business today with VAX, such like Nemonix?p   Thanks,P   D. -- /:            Read the last VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration NewsC      English: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdfhC       French: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdfg  F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationaF Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 06:03:35 -0800e) From: jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin)A, Subject: Re: Find former DECcies companies ?< Message-ID: <863f19d6.0311060603.aab3664@posting.google.com>   You could try    http://www.decalumni.com/l   it is a site for ex-DEC folk.    Jimo    ^ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3faa3168$0$13295$626a54ce@news.free.fr>...N > How can I find worldwide former DECcies who created their companies and are 9 > still doing business today with VAX, such like Nemonix?b > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D. > -- m< >            Read the last VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration NewsE >      English: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf E >       French: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf  > H > didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPE >      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation H > Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287F >    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:55:48 +0000/* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>" Subject: Re: Full Duplex NIC cards' Message-ID: <bodgas$nph$1@lore.csc.com>e   William Webb wrote:n > i > Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote in message news:<051120031530061743%paul.anderson@hp.com>...aE > > Isn't saying "NIC card" sort of like saying "ATM machine" or "PINd > > number"? > >  > > Paul >  > It's quite simple, actually. > F > If we called them "NI" cards, we'd receive "shrubberies" by mistake.  F No-ones called me a shrubbery by mistake, a lot of other things maybe, but not a shrubbery.  - I've been called a "shrubberk" once or twice.a  C Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go and stand on a telly and explode.    -- 8? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencess nclews at csc dot comf   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 02:16:34 -0800c. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)  Subject: Re: HP news from Brazil= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311060216.7bc0f3a8@posting.google.com>o  E Southern Universities in Brazil like PUC (Catholic) and UFRGS (State)wG graduate some of the best professionals in Brazil in Ciences, Math  andbH Computing. This is a right choice for HP, because some states like mine E (Rio de JAneiro) are turnig to the services area.  About one year ago.: Motorola had donated a chip factory to UFRGS for research.   Regardse   FC      s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<eYOpb.16011$152.14689@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...  > Keith Parris wrote:lF > > Thought of you when I saw these news items, Fabio.  From Interex's- > > InsideHP e-mail newsletter, Nov. 4, 2003:h > > ---cI > > WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT?: According to a Reuters report, HP isSH > > teaming with McDonald's in Brazil to give Internet addicts a happierG > > meal. McDonald's "McInternet" service is already available at 75 ofi? > > the fast food outlets in the country, but will be ready for I > > consumption in the remainder of its 584 sites in Brazil by the middleoG > > of 2004. The fast food joints will have an average of four PCs withwE > > high-speed Internet access each available to anyone who buys somev	 > > food.s > >tE > > IN OTHER BRAZILIAN NEWS: HP has opened a research and developmentTC > > center at the Catholic University (PUC-RS) in Porto Alegre, thehJ > > capital of Brazil's Rio Grande do Sul state, Valor Economico reported.B > > The center will host 80 HP researchers and 70 members of PUC'sE > > technology management agency (Tecnopuc), which focuses on digitalbB > > printing, algorithms for testing software and high-performance' > > computing, Bnamericas.com reported.g > ? > It can't be high perfomance computing if in includes Windows.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:16:53 +0000D& From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>7 Subject: Re: Opinions on Nemonix Ultra SCSI XMI adapterM' Message-ID: <bod02f$i5o$1@lore.csc.com>e   Timothy Kupp wrote:l
 > VAX 7000 > VMS 5.5-2  > J > We are looking at installing a Nemonix Ultra SCSI XMI adapter in our VAXH > and attaching some devices to it such as a DLT tape drive and some/allH > of our SCSI disks via BA350 cabinets that we already have or, perhaps," > an HSG70 that we would purchase. > B > We currently have our SCSI devices attached to the VAX via HSD10$ > cabinets and DSSI cables/adapters. > H > Anyone have any experience good or bad with this card?  It has (had) aI > Compaq/HP part number (DS-KZMCA-AB), but HP seems to be rather skittishi* > about supporting it, at least in Canada. > I > Anyone manage to get a reasonable support contract in place from HP for.D > this card?  HP is talking about charging CDN$600-700 per month forG > replacement-only support if the card should fail.  The card itself is- > US$5000 (new). > 6 > Anybody know a place that sells refurbished/cheaper?  F Why not negotiate with Nemonix about supplying a unit to keep on your C shelf care of the maintenance company? With lifetime warranty, you xC return the failed unit (if) and install the replacement. If paying uH 10,000 dollars, or 5000 + 7200 year-on-year is stopping you purchasing, + I think they'd consider your position. Ask.u  I Incidentally, I'd also consider the combined c/w 100Mb Ethernet which is  I full duplex. The system supplied 10Mb is half duplex though you could be e using the FDDI of course.y   -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences- nclews at spamblock csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:18:47 -0600d1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>D5 Subject: OT: Reward for authors of malicious softwareh' Message-ID: <3FAA5847.9C50DB4C@fsi.net>   B I see where BG is offering a reward for information leading to the7 arrest and conviction of authors of malicious software.w  ! So, when does he turn himself in?m  & ...and does he collect his own reward?   -- i David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:06:53 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>i9 Subject: Re: Piping X-Windows traffic over ssh on OpenVMSu9 Message-ID: <bodkhu$1d2cl0$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>l   Bob Koehler wrote:# > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: .> >> As to tunneling speeding things up - I find that suprising.C >> I'd expect it to slow things down since you have the overhead ofr) >> encrypting and decrypting the traffic.  > F >    Since a previous post claims it's due to compression, I'll assumeF >    the original poster is not running VMS X11 clients on a VAX 2000. > G >    You want to see slow?  Try logging in via SSH to an older VAX.  ItoD >    takes quite a while to initiate the connection.  From log filesG >    I've read I think it's generating some randomized encryption info.    That's how it works:  8 1. Client opens a connection (to port 22, by convention)  G 2. The server sends its host key, a server key (generated!), and a listeC of encryption, compression, and authentication methods it supports.u  
 3. The clienth - verifies the host key, - generates a session key,2 - chooses an encryption scheme from the list sent,A - encrypts the session key using both the host and the server key: - sends it to the server.f  ? 4. The server decrypts the session key and sends a confirmation.0 to the client (encrypted using the session key).  C 4. All subsequent communication is encrypted using the session key.s   cu,r   Martin -- tF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.defF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 07:45:32 -0600m; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e9 Subject: Re: Piping X-Windows traffic over ssh on OpenVMSt3 Message-ID: <blRt352Bpng9@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  J In article <bobfji$mqi$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > = > As to tunneling speeding things up - I find that suprising.IQ > I'd expect it to slow things down since you have the overhead of encrypting ando > decrypting the traffic.a  H    Since a previous post claims it's due to compression, I'll assume the@    original poster is not running VMS X11 clients on a VAX 2000.  E    You want to see slow?  Try logging in via SSH to an older VAX.  ItsG    takes quite a while to initiate the connection.  From log files I've2@    read I think it's generating some randomized encryption info.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:22:40 -0500 From: "John" <me@hair.net> Subject: Printing from OPENVMS) Message-ID: <hRsqb.259$jt.230@okepread05>s  J Any ideas on how to print an EPS (encapsulated postscript) file from a VMS prompt  on a vms printer que ?   Thanks   John   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 16:19:50 +0100r' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) " Subject: Re: Printing from OPENVMS+ Message-ID: <4b4PGoSzG3IU@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   F In article <hRsqb.259$jt.230@okepread05>, "John" <me@hair.net> writes:L > Any ideas on how to print an EPS (encapsulated postscript) file from a VMS  > prompt  on a vms printer que ?  M I'm not 100% sure - but I think Ghostview formats EPS files to display pages.+, Then use the print menu entry in Ghostview .  G -- h>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 16:29:42 GMTa# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)D" Subject: Re: Printing from OPENVMS1 Message-ID: <WFuqb.8547$hK6.395@news.cpqcorp.net>m  F In article <hRsqb.259$jt.230@okepread05>, "John" <me@hair.net> writes:K :Any ideas on how to print an EPS (encapsulated postscript) file from a VMSa :prompt  on a vms printer que ?a     Um, PRINT?    I   What happens depends on the particular printer involved, obviously.  IfrI   the printer understands Adobe Postscript and Embedded Postscript (EPS),d   then it prints the file.    K   Or were you looking to translate the EPS format into a data format neededbK   by a particular (and unspecified) target printer?  In this case, DECprintiI   (DCPS) would be the obvious translation candidate, though I do not knowo1   off-hand if DPCS has EPS translation support.  h  I   Or you can consider a replacement (and EPS-capable) printer, of course.i  M   A test PRINT of an EPS file targeting a DCPS queue for an HP MFP9000 seriesr   printer works just fine.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq"N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com1   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 07:49:01 -0800d+ From: barmstr3@jaguar.com (Brian Armstrong)r- Subject: QIO Function code for Telnet device.o= Message-ID: <d4460bcd.0311060749.5f46b3f8@posting.google.com>   > I am converting a bit of code from using LAT devices to TelnetB devices. The $QIOW function code for the LAT device is as follows:   IO$_TTY_PORT+IO$M_LT_CONNECT  3 If I try this with a Telnet device I get the error:D  0 "%SYSTEM-F-ILLIOFUNC, illegal I/O function code"  A I am using the following commands from a DCL command procedure tob create the Telnet device:a  + $ TELNET /CREATE_SESSION C0901T01  2002 800tM $ SET TERMINAL TNA800/DEVICE=VT300/PERMANENT/NOECHO/NOINTERACT/PASTHRU/HANGUPo  , I am using V7.1 OpenVMS and UCX version 4.1.  F Does anyone know what the correct IO function code is for this? I haveB searched the OpenVMS documentation and found no reference to this.  , Thanks in advance for any help you can give.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 07:51:51 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o Subject: Re: VUP?a3 Message-ID: <hx$FkP4qChpT@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  k In article <EYdqb.3438$382.1712@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:  > O >> And the S is simply the plurial of VUP in my opinion. The 780 had 1 VUP, the/ >> 9000 had 2 VUPS. - >> (or whatever the 9000's rating truly was).  > G > 40 VUPs for one CPU, 79 for 2, 118 for 3 and 157 for 4. Only ever sawtG > one once in real life ... I always wondered who had the other one :-)o >   C    One 9000?  Or one 9000 with 4 CPUs?  I know someone locally that -    had a 9000 but I don't know how many CPUs.5   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2003 07:55:03 -0600b; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t Subject: Re: VUP?c3 Message-ID: <WXTN+k9HQf+P@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <OFB997419C.A83B1230-ON85256DD5.00800456-85256DD5.00803B88@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  L > I prefer to add apostrophe "s" to make plurals of abbreviations, but there< > is no fixed style rule for acronyms, pronounceable or not.K > VUP is a pronounceable acronym.  RMS is an unpronounceable acronym.  SCSI : > is an unpronounceable acronym that is pronounced anyway.  C    If you use 's it becomes hard to tell multiple from ownership or-D    contraction.  Fortunately some acronyms earn there own plurals.      There's no mistaking VAXen.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:20:14 -0500& From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>& Subject: Re: We need your DS10 Systems/ Message-ID: <vqkimkbicabvd6@news.supernews.com>s  3 I know I know- I am sorry and won't do it again....n   Promise!  - But seriously, we are waiting for your call !o   Davidh     -- t David B Turner Island Computers US Corporationn 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404e Tel: 912 447 6622s Fax: 912 201 0402e Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.netr    5 "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in messageo) news:00A2871C.FA517FC5.2@tachysoft.com...e) > >From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>y > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms% > >Subject: We need your DS10 Systemse' > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:22 -0500s! > >Organization: island computers 2 > >Message-ID: <vqi22lk0o1gcba@news.supernews.com> >  >e >a@ > >We are paying good money for your DS10 466 and 617Mhz systems > >0 >0K > Yes, we know, having seen the earlier posts.  Why not up the frequency to  onec/ > post every 31 seconds?  That oughta cover it.u >nL ============================================================================ ===B: > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.comS: > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html >sL ============================================================================ ===eJ > Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."3 >    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:02:48 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>,1 Subject: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?dC Message-ID: <c1wqb.317$SQt.48@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>T  K Looking for the most current list of the 500+ applications that HP has saide% are so far being ported to IA-64/VMS.S  0 Would prefer seeing the list organized two ways:! by vendor and by application typeo    C Anybody have a URL?  I've poked around but obviously have missed it 
 someplace.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:20:17 -0600s/ From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com>"+ Subject: Re: [OT] - VAX9000 (was: Re: VUP?)s8 Message-ID: <jvlkqvk9nb1fmjsektc9tl5l5q6ctsprtb@4ax.com>  X I had some level of responsibility for 5 of them at one point.  1 in my primary cluster.Z We celebrated when the thing stayed up for 30 days the first time (about a year and a halfZ after we received it).  DEC definitely finished engineering these in the field.  They were0 fast (relative to contemporary systems), though.   Clay  W On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:45:08 GMT, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote:o   >In article <00A2873C.89ECBAFE@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:m >!In article <EYdqb.3438$382.1712@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:o >!>JF Mezei wrote: >!snip!7Q >!>> And the S is simply the plurial of VUP in my opinion. The 780 had 1 VUP, thec >!>> 9000 had 2 VUPS. / >!>> (or whatever the 9000's rating truly was).> >!> H >!>40 VUPs for one CPU, 79 for 2, 118 for 3 and 157 for 4. Only ever sawH >!>one once in real life ... I always wondered who had the other one :-) >!L >!SLAC had one.  Don't know if it was the one you saw.  I never actually sawF >!the one that was here, but I used to hear a lot of cursing about it. >! >wF >We had two (not clustered together).  One was a lemon, parts replacedO >constantly.  The other (hot standby) worked perfectly, when asked.  We finally0Q >smartened up towards the end, and made the "hot standby" the "primary" machine. 6H >Too late, as it turned out - management forbade us from using them, and& >negotiated VAX6000's as replacements. >: >!snip!h >nK >__________________________________________________________________________.B >Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"L >bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' 1 >                                         with @"    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Nov 2003 13:16:47 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>n+ Subject: Re: [OT] - VAX9000 (was: Re: VUP?) . Message-ID: <mdd7k2dweeo.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   $ > Was the 9000 the one based on ECL?  6 I don't think so.  The 8600 and 8650 were ECL, though.  N The 9000 was introduced just before the Fall 1989 DECUS Symposium, at which weN celebrated the 25th anniversary of 36-bit computing at DEC (PDP-6, June 1964).L The trade rags were echoing Digital's marketing flacks, who were calling the? 9000 "Digital's first mainframe", which was of course nonsense.s   -- r. Rich Alderson					    | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |< news@alderson.users.panix.com			    | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |7 			 --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |c   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:26:47 -0500 (EST)+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>t+ Subject: Re: [OT] - VAX9000 (was: Re: VUP?)oH Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0311061325300.6829@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>  G the 9000 was indeed ECL. probably the last full blown computer made foro general use done in ECL, too.    isilduro    ( On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Rich Alderson wrote:  ' > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:r > & > > Was the 9000 the one based on ECL? >o8 > I don't think so.  The 8600 and 8650 were ECL, though. >iP > The 9000 was introduced just before the Fall 1989 DECUS Symposium, at which weP > celebrated the 25th anniversary of 36-bit computing at DEC (PDP-6, June 1964).N > The trade rags were echoing Digital's marketing flacks, who were calling theA > 9000 "Digital's first mainframe", which was of course nonsense.l >l > --0 > Rich Alderson					    | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |> > news@alderson.users.panix.com			    | \ / campaign against |N > "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |9 > 			 --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |e >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:29:22 GMT=# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>=L Subject: [OT]: Microsoft putting up $5 million reward to catch cybervillainsL Message-ID: <6Vsqb.199005$3f.110637@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=1212&e=1&u=/usatoda y/20031106/tc_usatoday/11938833h  F SEATTLE Microsoft (MSFT) said Tuesday it will ante up $5 million for aK reward program to nab cybercriminals who infect the Internet with worms and  viruses.  
 ...more...      L No mention was made of catching and convicting those responsible for writingC operating systems conducive to propagating those worms and viruses.    Pity.A   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:02:59 GMT'" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: [OT]: Microsoft putting up $5 million reward to catch cybervillains0 Message-ID: <00A287E6.6317C72C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  r In article <6Vsqb.199005$3f.110637@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:M >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=1212&e=1&u=/usatodai  >y/20031106/tc_usatoday/11938833 >fG >SEATTLE Microsoft (MSFT) said Tuesday it will ante up $5 million for a L >reward program to nab cybercriminals who infect the Internet with worms and	 >viruses.i >M >....more... >9 >6 >7M >No mention was made of catching and convicting those responsible for writingmD >operating systems conducive to propagating those worms and viruses. >0 >Pity.  L A new get rich quick scheme...  Write a script to propagate to boxes runningM Billywarez and then turn yourself into M$ and collect US$5E-06.  Plea bargain L with the prosecutor and you might get off with a turn in one of those white-L collar government funded recreational camps.  How about we all do it and put( the Redmond R.A.T.S.N.E.S.T. out of biz?   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" :   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:56:43 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>rP Subject: Re: [OT]: Microsoft putting up $5 million reward to catch cybervillainsC Message-ID: <vXvqb.309$SQt.98@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In articleC > <6Vsqb.199005$3f.110637@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,>' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >>L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=1212&e=1&u=/usatoda" >> y/20031106/tc_usatoday/11938833 >>G >> SEATTLE Microsoft (MSFT) said Tuesday it will ante up $5 million foroF >> a reward program to nab cybercriminals who infect the Internet with >> worms and viruses.n >> >> ....more... >> >> >>G >> No mention was made of catching and convicting those responsible foriE >> writing operating systems conducive to propagating those worms and  >> viruses.r >> >> Pity. > F > A new get rich quick scheme...  Write a script to propagate to boxes	 > runningdG > Billywarez and then turn yourself into M$ and collect US$5E-06.  Plead	 > bargainqG > with the prosecutor and you might get off with a turn in one of thoseo > white-F > collar government funded recreational camps.  How about we all do it	 > and putc* > the Redmond R.A.T.S.N.E.S.T. out of biz?     Perfect.  H Write a worm that self-propagates and opens the infect computer's e-mailH client with a message ready to be sent out. The body of the message goes something like:u  A "This message is brought to you as a public service announcement.   H Want to join a class-action lawsuit against Microsoft for selling flawedD operating systems that permit worms and viruses to cost you and your5 business millions of dollars per month in combatting?   E Enter your name and contact details in the locations indicated below.-H Indicate which version of Microsoft Windows you are using, the estimatedG cost to you/your company of combatting worms/viruses each month (peopleoF time, software costs, subscription costs, conference costs, consulting1 costs, estimated lost productivity costs, etc..).   G If you are not in the USA, your response will be forwarded to our legallK correspondents in each country in which we will be launching a class-actiontJ suit against Microsoft and your name will be added to the suit launched in your country of residence."=  E If you don't wish to participate, simply delete this message. NothingaC related to this message will remain on your computer nor affect itsf operation."/    K The message is pre-addressed to a law firm that specializes in class-action= suits.    L Microsoft could not 'join' the suits launched in each country into one giantG suit, so they'd be stuck spending billions on retaining lawyers in each J country, translating billions of lines of correspondence for submission asG evidence in the official language(s) of each country, and running theiri9 execs around the world to give depositions and testimony.o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:03:24 +0100> From: "Winfried Bergmann" <winfried.bergmannNosPAM@empuron.de>L Subject: Re: [semi-OT] SCSI jumpers (was: Re: newbie problem installing VMS): Message-ID: <bod2ld$1bs59g$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>  B "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag- news:3FA98BB8.D4A6D1E9@applied-synergy.com...l > WiseLYNX wrote:o > >aF > > > Getting back to his original problem, as the owner/operator of aH > > > number of VS3100's I have seen that error on many occaisions.  TheI > > > only solution I have found so far is to resort to a known supportedtJ > > > CD Drive.  Mitsumi or Toshiba seem to come to mind.  OK, I just wentF > > > in the computer room and looked.  I am using Toshiba XM-4101B's. > >sD > > mhh.. In facts, I knew that VAXes are quite overnice about cdromK > > drives.. I saw that mine is a Matsushita (even if marked by IBM). Now I K > > have to find where is the list of well tested-and-working cdrom drives,   > > but should not be a problem. > >pK > > Anyway, going a bit OT, I'd be curious to know what do exactly mean thesK > > various settings I can change with jumpers on the back of the drive. OnlJ > > mine, beyond the three marked "1" "2" and "4", and are used to set theH > > device ID, there are some other. One is pretty simple to understand,H > > called "terminator". Then, there are three of which I miss a bit theJ > > meaning: one called "parity", one called "term power", and one "sector > > size". Can anyone explain? >lJ > The problem with these jumpers is that some drives want the jumper on to( > enable the function, some want it off. >-J > "Parity" indicates whether or not parity checking is done on data passed, > over the SCSI bus.  I always turn this on. >nH > "Term power" indicates whether or not termination power is provided toF > the SCSI bus.  There should be one device on the bus that does this.D > Generally, it is the host adapter card.  I normally turn this off. >eJ > "Sector size" should, strangely enough, set the sector size.  If this is, > a CDROM, this should be a 512/2048 jumper.  . ... and should be set at 512 byte sector size!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.616 ************************