1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 07 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 618       Contents:H Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing' AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide + RE: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide + Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide + Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide + Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide + Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide + Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide + Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide ) Baldwin's OpenVMS System Management Guide 0 Re: concerned and confused about MOUNT/NOREBUILD2 Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMS. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch3 Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). 3 Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). 3 Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?  DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? # Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box? . Re: Displaying control characters in X-windows. Re: Displaying control characters in X-windows. Re: Displaying control characters in X-windows: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? Re: Erp running on Vms ?# Re: Find former DECcies companies ?  IA64 TPC results Re: IA64 TPC results Re: It works3 Re: It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?) / It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?) 3 Re: It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?) , Re: JF Mezei caught trolling with pants down Logging sessions mounting tape drive? Re: mounting tape drive? Re: Open source DBM's  Re: Open source DBM's  Re: Open source DBM's  Re: Open source DBM's " Re: OpenVMS, Itanium and Blades...! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS  Performance problem  Re: Printing from OPENVMS ( Re: QIO Function code for Telnet device., Re: SEDT text editor for MS-DOS for download Re: TS10, still around? ' Re: VAX to AIX NFS Problem Please HELP! , Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, RE: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, RE: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?, RE: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64? [OT] NetBSD and Linux  Re: [OT] NetBSD and Linux  Re: [OT] NetBSD and Linux  Re: [OT] NetBSD and Linux   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:53:30 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Q Subject: Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing 8 Message-ID: <ktfnqvcnqsato6i01q8l5ihhev8ogr1i22@4ax.com>  7 On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:14:18 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:  >>  : >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:16:10 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"! >> <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  >>   >> >G >> >I just had a flash of jlsue and Bill Todd in that scene from "Monty  >> >Python and The Holy Grail".  >> >L >> >Sorry to be so rough on you, Jeff. With all the sunshine hp is likely toL >> >be "blowing up your skirt", it's easy to drift into a PollyAnna state... >>  ! >> Hey, I can take it... I think. G >> I merely challenge the lack of information being used as a source of  >> information.  > F >Very proper and common place. For example, a break in the data streamG >from a sensor can indicate more than one situation: the sensor failed, G >the object the sensor was on was destroyed, the link to the sensor was C >broken, etc. None the less, the lack of data indicates a situation  >worthy of attention.   A Correct.  But what it does NOT do is suggest a single conclusion.    > @ >No news is not necessarily good news, but is news all the same.  J It's not the news, it's the conclusions that are being drawn, and then theI other following conclusions that are also built upon that one, and so on, 
 and so on.  H The inherent assumptions of the original conclusion are never questioned6 after awhile, which just feeds the cycle continuously.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:57:33 +0100 ) From: Michael Unger <unger@despammed.com> 0 Subject: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide: Message-ID: <bogjl0$1ebcn6$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  D Why is there just an HTML version of the user's guide available fromM <http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/docs/userguide/WebHelp/usersguide.htm>  and *no* PDF version ??   E Many people prefer to have the docs available offline and as a single J document instead of an bunch of files -- and without JavaScript of course.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:20:21 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIENPIHAA.tom@kednos.com>   B Just out of curiosity, since we are in the process of updating ourI documentation, if you could download a complete html document, which you, G therefore, could view offline with a browser, would you still prefer to  use Acrobat?   >-----Original Message----- 1 >From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@despammed.com] ( >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:58 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 >Subject: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide  >  > E >Why is there just an HTML version of the user's guide available from D ><http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/docs/userguide/WebHelp/users >guide.htm>  >and *no* PDF version ?? > F >Many people prefer to have the docs available offline and as a singleK >document instead of an bunch of files -- and without JavaScript of course.  >  >Michael >  >-- < >Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.A >Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "Security B >Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.> >My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:00:49 +0100 ) From: Michael Unger <unger@despammed.com> 4 Subject: Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide: Message-ID: <bogo2e$1e7ndk$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  ( On 2003-11-07 18:20, "Tom Linden" wrote:  D > Just out of curiosity, since we are in the process of updating ourK > documentation, if you could download a complete html document, which you, I > therefore, could view offline with a browser, would you still prefer to  > use Acrobat?  F Yes. It is a single PDF file, it is a compact file (data compression),G it is "viewable with any browser", it doesn't need JavaScript, Cascaded  Style Sheets, Frames, ...    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:25:40 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>4 Subject: Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide2 Message-ID: <3fabd5a5$0$230$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Michael Unger wrote:  F > Why is there just an HTML version of the user's guide available fromO > <http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/docs/userguide/WebHelp/usersguide.htm>  > and *no* PDF version ??   ( According to Google cache, it did exist:   [PDF] Table Of Contents 3 Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML @ Page 1. hp AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Information VersionC 1.0 This document is intended for those who manage, operate, or ... = h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/gs1280_es47_80_ug.pdf N but not anymore. They obviously split it in three html documents. Maybe it is 
 still around?    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:36:21 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>4 Subject: Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide2 Message-ID: <3fabd825$0$260$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Tom Linden wrote:   D > Just out of curiosity, since we are in the process of updating ourK > documentation, if you could download a complete html document, which you, I > therefore, could view offline with a browser, would you still prefer to  > use Acrobat?   (Excuse me Michael :-)M personally, I prefer a .pdf for download, then I do not care when I have the   whole set, HTML or PDF.   	 my 2euros    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:37:40 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>4 Subject: Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide2 Message-ID: <3fabd873$0$260$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Michael Unger wrote:  F > Why is there just an HTML version of the user's guide available fromO > <http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/docs/userguide/WebHelp/usersguide.htm>  > and *no* PDF version ??   R This .html version is a ROBOTHELP production, and it is version 2 of the document.I (see http://www.ehelp.com/products/robohelp/demos/ for more on ROBOTHELP)    D. GORL Pdt & CEO   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:43:54 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>4 Subject: Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide8 Message-ID: <espnqv88qvgqn7q33f53hel23rde17h6ee@4ax.com>  G On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:20:21 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:   C >Just out of curiosity, since we are in the process of updating our J >documentation, if you could download a complete html document, which you,H >therefore, could view offline with a browser, would you still prefer to
 >use Acrobat?   P Me? I personally prefer a complete set of (small) HTML files to a single (large)M PDF file for a "sufficiently large" document. I don't have to put up with the N extra time required to load the PDF "plug in", for starters, and don't have to  load the whole file at one time.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:53:58 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 4 Subject: Re: AlphaServer ES47/ES80/GS1280 User Guide' Message-ID: <3FABEA46.4030904@MMaz.com>    David M Smith wrote:  H >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:20:21 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >  >    > D >>Just out of curiosity, since we are in the process of updating ourK >>documentation, if you could download a complete html document, which you, I >>therefore, could view offline with a browser, would you still prefer to  >>use Acrobat? >>     >> > Q >Me? I personally prefer a complete set of (small) HTML files to a single (large) N >PDF file for a "sufficiently large" document. I don't have to put up with theO >extra time required to load the PDF "plug in", for starters, and don't have to ! >load the whole file at one time.  >    > C Where as I personally prefer the PDF over HTML, HTML with embedded  , graphics, plain text, or Postscript because:  I 1. The document format and contents are preserved, specifically, tables,  C graphs, images, text layout, etc. regardless of platform or browser F 2. The document can be printed as originally rendered whereas HTML to : paper often/always flops and produces crappy looking printE 3. Too many sites, when taking the HTML approach, break the document  K into such small pieces that it makes both printing and searching impossible C 4. Lastly, a single PDF is much easier to download and maintain an  I offline copy.  We all know of the headaches of lost pages from HP/Compaq  H and that will most likely not get better with time and downloading HTML > content to a local system is no where as easy as a single PDF.   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:42:44 -0700. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>2 Subject: Baldwin's OpenVMS System Management GuideF Message-ID: <OF919931D7.DE227979-ON07256DD7.0055AF8A@rsc.raytheon.com>  H Digital Press is pleased to announce that the second edition of LawrenceJ Baldwin's OpenVMS System Management Guide (ISBN 1-55558-243-5), revised byH Steve Hoffman and Dave Miller, is now available. Check the Digital Press> Online Bookstore for HP Technologies for ordering and discountG information--link through from http://h71000.www7.hp.com (in right hand  column).   If you're at this I year's HP OpenVMS Boot Camp, or at the OpenVMS Roundhouse on November 17, I you can check out this book as well as other recent OpenVMS titles at the H Digital Press table.  There are no plans for Steve to do a book signing, but of course he'll beG around, so if anyone wants to approach him with a copy (a copy is being H given to each boot camp participant at HP expense) and ask him, I'm sure he'd oblige.   Pam Chester, Digital Press.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:08:59 +1100: From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>9 Subject: Re: concerned and confused about MOUNT/NOREBUILD C Message-ID: <3fab99aa$0$95047$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>     who is the pedantic lawyer here?   --   David McKenzie  7 David.Mckenzie@paradigm-shift.dot.biz  remove the "dot"  OpenVMS IT Privacy and Law   http://www.paradigm-shift.biz 9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87isly1wr5.fsf@prep.synonet.com... > > "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz> writes: > D > > Rebuild is not a big deal. The operating system allocates blocksG > > from the free list to itself so it can avoid writing the bit map at H > > write time. All you lose by not rebuilding is space, and givn modern > > disks, not much of that. > 
 > Rephrasing:  > > > Each node builds a private list of free blocks so they don'tD > constantly hammer on the bitmap file. Blocks that are in the nodesF > freelist are marked as in use in the bit map. These blocks come fromH > delete/truncates on the node, with the freed blocks being added to theB > free block list if it is smaller than the target size. This also- > reduces the bitmap accesses on deletes btw.  > = > > However at some stage /rebuild has to take out the volume F > > serialization lock so at that point all other io stops to the disk > C > IO can continue, but allocation/dealocations are stalled till the  > allocation lock is released. > ; > > Rebuild some time after reboot when the system is quiet  > B > Note that quiet means IO and allocation/dealocs, rather than CPU > or memory. >  > --  > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:15:36 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>; Subject: Re: Configuration Question TCP/IP Services for VMS 2 Message-ID: <3fab8cfe$0$241$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Thomas Dreher wrote:  + > Dear JF Mezei, Didier Morandi and Vaxman, F > I would like to thank you all for your support and the comprehensiveH > answers to my question. With your Information, I could get it to work. > G > I updated to TCP/IP Services 5.1, changed the Alphas IP Address to be E > in the same subnet, configured the Alpha to a static address, added  > the routing information.E > Also, I discovered that the NIC in the Alpha did not work with RJ45 H > port and rewired to my old configuration and connected a BNC thin wire
 > to the hub.  > 1 > Thanks again, best regards and "long live VMS!"  >    We aim to please.    D. --  :            Read the last VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration NewsC      English: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf C       French: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf   F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation F Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 07:52:36 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch 3 Message-ID: <Mv3DDnxdRcYh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FAA9F96.43C94AE1@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > J > But right now, there is nothing preventing me from setting my systems in > montreal (-5) to GMT.   H   For years we've run systems for the government in GMT.  Once exposed aB   bug in the TOPS-20 Fortran library that way.  Certainly TOPS-20,C   RSX-11M, and VMS never cared which time zone we wanted to run our 
   systems in.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:18:29 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch 2 Message-ID: <VQNqb.8639$LJ7.8085@news.cpqcorp.net>  V In article <3FAA9F96.43C94AE1@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote: K >> No "might" about it.  But how do you maitain compatibility with existing I >> systems?  Including RMS, for example.  (Including years of backups and  >> other history.) >  > L >RMS wouldn't break. Wouldn't the only impact be that DIR/FULL would displayB >dates that are in GMT format ? (ok, and you'd have to specify all >/AFTER/BEFORE in GMT form.   F You missed the point.  If times are stored in GMT format but displayedG and input in local time...  Well the compatibility issue is how to know " that a time stamp is GMT or local?   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:21:50 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch 2 Message-ID: <2UNqb.8641$LJ7.4926@news.cpqcorp.net>  [ In article <3FAAF011.497A2DC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >Charlie Hammond wrote:  >>  * >> In article <3FA9A8E2.A3E9CE0E@fsi.net>,6 >> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >>  I >> >... The issue in my case is date/time stamps for medical records. ...  >>  K >> Including the zone and daylight/standard information with the time stamp N >> would seem to solve this.  Given the legal issues relative to such records,D >> I would not want to stamp them with a time known to be incorrect. > 5 >Offer that suggestion over at http://www.cerner.com/   ; I regard my posting as more of a comment than a suggestion. 9 I am neither a lawyer nor a medical practitioner, but you ? may feel free to post my comment to www.cerner.com if you wish.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:14:41 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> < Subject: Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).. Message-ID: <bofjqc$hl4$1@info.service.rug.nl>  B "Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message =, news:tGwqb.8560$ZY6.7518@news.cpqcorp.net...F > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:49:29 +0100, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> = wrote: > ..B > >(I suspect that the DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS procedure still forgets toD > >update one or more  logicals, which are set correctly at system =	 startup.) D > >The questions is, can this be repaired without rebooting and how? >=20G > If you look at SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM you will find the=20  > following comment: >=20H > $!  The following logical names are NOT [re]set and will be deassignedH > $!  if they are present (They are not present on VAX and pre 7.3 Alpha- > $!  OpenVMS systems unless DTSS is in use.)  > $!& > $!      SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING > $!      SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME  > $!      SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE  >=20= > You can save/remember the values of SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME and =  SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE,( > and re-set them using DEFINE/SYS/EXEC.D > You can similarly reset SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING to "0" (for = STANDARD& > time) or to "1" (for DAYLIGHT time).    I tried it but it does not help.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:17:34 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> < Subject: Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).. Message-ID: <bofjvo$hm0$1@info.service.rug.nl>  3 "Chris Moore" <just@my.twocents> wrote in message = 3 news:8nAqb.9686$fg4.348105@news20.bellglobal.com... D > Anything that uses the 'C' RTL functions will be affected by the = system
 > logical: >=20 > SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL  >=20H > rather than the apparent system clock time. We had a FORTRAN routine = calling H > a C routine that displayed this type of discrepancy on the screen if = the  > differential was missed. >=20< > The value of that logical is in seconds of offset from UTCB > (e.g. EST is currently "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" =3D "-18000")  J This logical is defined with the same value on the system with the wrong = display H and a recently rebooted system with the correct display. There must be = something else.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:15:30 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> < Subject: Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).. Message-ID: <bofjrt$hl6$1@info.service.rug.nl>  = "Martin Kirby" <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message = 6 news:224291b.0311060917.615464e9@posting.google.com...: > What version of OpenVMS and what version of DECwindows ? >=20G > DECW$CLOCK uses the C RTL functions "time" and "localtime" to get the B > time data. Prior to DECwindows V1.3 it was supported on pre-V7.1D > systems so must have used the non-UTC versions of these functions.F > For V1.3 it is only supported on V7.3-1 so it may, but I don't know,8 > have changed to use the UTC versions of the functions. >=20F > If you restart DECW$CLOCK does it show the correct time, i.e. may beG > something cached in the process execution, or the wrong time, i.e.=20 ; > it is something that drives the non-UTC C rtl functions ?   E I have restarted it several times, but it still shows the wrong time.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:53:20 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> , Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?9 Message-ID: <bofmi2$1dof0b$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Didier Morandi wrote: G > Probably too much sun here in Toulouse yesterday, and today I wish to D > have a DECwindows display from my Alpha (192.168.0.3) to my XP box > (192.168.0.2) via TCP/IP.  >  > I did: > 8 > DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2: > DTL02>  SPAWN/NOWAIT/INPUT=NL: RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$CLOCK* > %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned > DTL02>- >         X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display ' > %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204  > E > I suppose this deals with access authorization. What should I do to  > make it work? Thanks,   8 Depends on which X Server software you're running on XP.  A To get a better error message, try running DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE.    cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:43:40 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: DECwindows screen on an XP box?2 Message-ID: <3fab5b4b$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  M Probably too much sun here in Toulouse yesterday, and today I wish to have a  N DECwindows display from my Alpha (192.168.0.3) to my XP box (192.168.0.2) via  TCP/IP.    I did:  6 DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.28 DTL02>  SPAWN/NOWAIT/INPUT=NL: RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$CLOCK( %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned DTL02>+         X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display % %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204   Q I suppose this deals with access authorization. What should I do to make it work?  Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:13:47 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?2 Message-ID: <3fab706d$0$232$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:  C > To get a better error message, try running DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE.   6 DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2  DTL02> run DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE Cannot open display + : non-translatable vms error code: 0x3D0294 1 %mcr-f-reject, connect to network object rejected    I dream... %MCR :-) & Now, I need to go to the xp forum? :-(   D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:41:35 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> , Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?9 Message-ID: <bofst2$1dse7u$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > Martin Vorlaender wrote:D >> To get a better error message, try running DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE. > 8 > DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2" > DTL02> run DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE > Cannot open display , >> non-translatable vms error code: 0x3D02943 > %mcr-f-reject, connect to network object rejected  >  > I dream... %MCR :-)    :-)   ( > Now, I need to go to the xp forum? :-(  @ http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html#XMicrosoft has a list ofA freely available and commercial products. The section begins with @ "Note: an alternative (and usually much cheaper) way to run X on? a IBM PC is to run a PC UNIX in place of or in addition to your A Microsoft OS." - which isn't the worst advice I've ever heard ;-)    cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:49 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?2 Message-ID: <3fab86f3$0$252$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:5 > http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html#XMicrosoft     Too many links. M I just need a howto to configure XP to allow it to acces incoming DECwindows  
 "packets". Thanks anyway.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:52:34 +0300 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?3 Message-ID: <D6551A8B86C2A0C40E1DE040DF17A9B9@nntp>    Hi !6 	You need X-Server software on the XP, like eXcursion.   Didier Morandi wrote:    > Martin Vorlaender wrote: > 6 >> http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html#XMicrosoft  >  >  > Too many links. D > I just need a howto to configure XP to allow it to acces incoming  > DECwindows "packets".  > Thanks anyway. >  > D. >  >    --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/ @   TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:55:40 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?, Message-ID: <bog17u$13l0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  \ "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:3fab706d$0$232$626a54ce@news.free.fr...  3 > %mcr-f-reject, connect to network object rejected   F That would likely be 'nothing listening on the X-windows' port (6000).@ You have started whatever X-windows program you are using on the XP box?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:54:43 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?/ Message-ID: <bog165$ipl1@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > Martin Vorlaender wrote: > 6 >> http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html#XMicrosoft  >  >  > Too many links. D > I just need a howto to configure XP to allow it to acces incoming  > DECwindows "packets".  > Thanks anyway. >  > D. > I That very much depends on the product you have installed on your PC, e.g. D EXCEED has a config utility, which has a security pane, on which youT can enable/disable security, add hosts from you will allow a connection and so on...   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:45:41 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?) Message-ID: <3FAB85A4.679AD913@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote: " > DTL02> run DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE > Cannot open display - > : non-translatable vms error code: 0x3D0294 3 > %mcr-f-reject, connect to network object rejected   K Make sure that the Xserver (the X terminal emulator) software on you wintel M box was configured to allow your VMS machine to connect to it. There can be a N checkbox to "allow all connections" or perhaps a list of valid hosts from whom you accept connections.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 12:49:32 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?: Message-ID: <bog4cs$1dpsoj$3@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  2 In article <3fab86f3$0$252$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,% 	Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  > Martin Vorlaender wrote:6 >> http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html#XMicrosoft  >  > Too many links. O > I just need a howto to configure XP to allow it to acces incoming DECwindows   > "packets". > Thanks anyway.  , I think your are missing an important point.A XP (actually no MS Windows) doesn't do X.  You need a third party @ product and how you configure security for access will depend on the one you choose.      bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   0   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 12:50:52 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?: Message-ID: <bog4fb$1dpsoj$4@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  2 In article <3fab8b68$0$233$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,% 	Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:8N > I use PuTTY, but got the same message. I went to the Security Rules control L > panel, unchecked all Kerberos authentification rules, but without success.    Putty isn't an X-server either!!   bill     -- cJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:08:50 +0100b" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?2 Message-ID: <3fab8b68$0$233$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  L I use PuTTY, but got the same message. I went to the Security Rules control J panel, unchecked all Kerberos authentification rules, but without success.   Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:   > Hi !; >     You need X-Server software on the XP, like eXcursion.w >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:12:42 +0300o: From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?3 Message-ID: <C57E04E38784DFAB988AC009E9207DC7@nntp>e  H PuTTY it's just an TELNET/SSH emulation software (?), you need X-Server:
 	eXcursion 	eXceed  	X-frees   Didier Morandi wrote:e  F > I use PuTTY, but got the same message. I went to the Security Rules D > control panel, unchecked all Kerberos authentification rules, but  > without success. >  > Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: >  >> Hi !e< >>     You need X-Server software on the XP, like eXcursion. >> >  >    -- m Cheers, Ruslan.mD +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/r@   TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:14:48 +0300o: From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?3 Message-ID: <DAA7FBA9D0EC81351FD9B0A855B183CC@nntp>t  > http://www.google.com/search?q=X%2dServer+software+for+windows     Didier Morandi wrote:s  F > I use PuTTY, but got the same message. I went to the Security Rules D > control panel, unchecked all Kerberos authentification rules, but  > without success. >  > Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: >  >> Hi !c< >>     You need X-Server software on the XP, like eXcursion. >> >  >    -- A Cheers, Ruslan.lD +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/p@   TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:38:28 +0100s" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?2 Message-ID: <3fab925a$0$260$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Richard Brodie wrote:S  ^ > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:3fab706d$0$232$626a54ce@news.free.fr... >  > 3 >>%mcr-f-reject, connect to network object rejected- >  > H > That would likely be 'nothing listening on the X-windows' port (6000).B > You have started whatever X-windows program you are using on the	 > XP box?h  5 Sounds like I did not, or I have not been informed...1   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 08:22:37 -0600d; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?3 Message-ID: <cY8cTLOrDKAV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3fab8b68$0$233$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:eN > I use PuTTY, but got the same message. I went to the Security Rules control L > panel, unchecked all Kerberos authentification rules, but without success. >   G    PuTTY is not an X server, at least not the copies I've seen.  We useeF    PuTTY to set up X tunneling over SSH between systems, but Exceed is/    still needed to provide X service on the PC.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis), Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?. Message-ID: <bogic1$a78$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  | Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes in article <3fab5b4b$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr> dated Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:43:40 +0100:N >Probably too much sun here in Toulouse yesterday, and today I wish to have a O >DECwindows display from my Alpha (192.168.0.3) to my XP box (192.168.0.2) via c >TCP/IP. >a >I did:u > 7 >DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2s9 >DTL02>  SPAWN/NOWAIT/INPUT=NL: RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$CLOCKf) >%DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawnedi >DTL02> , >        X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display& >%DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204 > R >I suppose this deals with access authorization. What should I do to make it work?  C You realize you must buy an X-server for your PC to do it this way.j  J A better way is to use a Linux (intel) box as an intermediary, using Xvnc.  ; % vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 1200x1000 -query YOUR_ALPHAn  G And use the VNC client on XP to connect to the Linux box.  This has the D advantage that you can reboot your XP system without losing your VMSI session.  The disadvantage is, of course, that you need a third computer.i  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 09:17:16 -0800D. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby), Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?< Message-ID: <224291b.0311070917.623b162f@posting.google.com>  B As various others have said. This means that you cannot connect to@ port 6000. If there are access control issues you will get other messages that ICO will display.p   Likely reasons:t/     You don't have an X Server on the XP systemmD     It has been configured to be other than server 0 so is listening on a     different portF     There is a firewall in the way, for example if you have a firewall on theA     XP system you might have configured it to reject all incomingA requests onmC     other than selected ports and need to add 6000 to that list. If  you haveA     a firewall between the two systems then it needs to allow the0
 request on     6000 and also the response.e   Martin Kirby DECwindows Engineering  \ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fab706d$0$232$626a54ce@news.free.fr>... > Martin Vorlaender wrote: > E > > To get a better error message, try running DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE.  > 8 > DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2" > DTL02> run DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE > Cannot open displayd- > : non-translatable vms error code: 0x3D0294e3 > %mcr-f-reject, connect to network object rejectedl >  > I dream... %MCR :-) ( > Now, I need to go to the xp forum? :-( >  > D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:57:03 GMT.4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?0 Message-ID: <3FABCDDF.28DE73AC@blueyonder.co.uk>   Didier Morandi wrote:0 > N > Probably too much sun here in Toulouse yesterday, and today I wish to have aO > DECwindows display from my Alpha (192.168.0.3) to my XP box (192.168.0.2) viad	 > TCP/IP.j >  > I did: > 8 > DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2: > DTL02>  SPAWN/NOWAIT/INPUT=NL: RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$CLOCK* > %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned > DTL02>- >         X Toolkit Error: Can't Open displayt' > %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204l > S > I suppose this deals with access authorization. What should I do to make it work?r	 > Thanks,  >  > D.    H You can disable security when starting the X-server on XP by starting in with the -ac parameter ego   Xserver -ac  ...  8 This can help for debugging or if you have a secure LAN.  F Last time I tried the Cygwin free Xserver worked but had issues (slow,M compared to commercial demos, memory leak causing eventual crash, some issuesh with Motif on VMS).   H What I do, configue Xdm on VMS, run a a VNC server process on Linux thatM connects to VMS via Xdm, run Vnc client on Windows. Works great and you don't3L loose your work when Windows crashes/reboots or when you come back next day.  O Shame VNC server is not ported to VMS, then Linux would be cut out of the loop.   S Getting Motif working with free s/w can be quite frustrating, but worth the effort.l   Regards,   -- 1 tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:12:54 +0100n" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?2 Message-ID: <3fabd2a6$0$229$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  . You talked to Keith Lewis before posting this? :-)s   D.   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > K > What I do, configue Xdm on VMS, run a a VNC server process on Linux that 4O > connects to VMS via Xdm, run Vnc client on Windows. Works great and you don'taN > loose your work when Windows crashes/reboots or when you come back next day.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:36:55 GMT:4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>, Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?0 Message-ID: <3FABD71C.1D5C8412@blueyonder.co.uk>   Didier Morandi wrote:o > 0 > You talked to Keith Lewis before posting this? > :-)l >   4 Nope, his post popped up while I was composing mine.3 I went thru freeware Xserver angst last winter :-).   5 So, two of us independently suggest VNC. You do need a a 3rd box though.    > D. >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >lL > > What I do, configue Xdm on VMS, run a a VNC server process on Linux thatQ > > connects to VMS via Xdm, run Vnc client on Windows. Works great and you don't:P > > loose your work when Windows crashes/reboots or when you come back next day.   -- r tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:59:46 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>s7 Subject: Re: Displaying control characters in X-windows?9 Message-ID: <bofjdl$1e11pv$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>i   JF Mezei wrote:d" > DECterm can't, but DECW$TPU can. > C > So, how does one go about displaying control characters in a text  > window ? - > C > For instance, if I write an application that displays contents of G > printer setup modules, I would very much want to be able to provide aG8 > visual representation of the control characters in it. > ! > Any hints on how this is done ?0  . Let the application output into an EVE buffer?   cu,c   Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:00:38 +0100t7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>o7 Subject: Re: Displaying control characters in X-windows / Message-ID: <bofmvp$1ti$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>-   JF Mezei wrote:-" > DECterm can't, but DECW$TPU can. > L > So, how does one go about displaying control characters in a text window ? > K > For instance, if I write an application that displays contents of printer-F > setup modules, I would very much want to be able to provide a visual1 > representation of the control characters in it.0 > ! > Any hints on how this is done ?,   Look at the nedit sourcesj  % http://sourceforge.net/projects/neditr     Robert   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:16:40 -0500) From: "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>@7 Subject: Re: Displaying control characters in X-windows,9 Message-ID: <aQMqb.9806$Pg1.474889@news20.bellglobal.com>o  = I've always used the NCS$ utility routines with the EDT_VT2xx>. conversion table. (NCS$GET_CF and NCS$CONVERT)   Scottt  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageo# news:3FAB3077.DB6FF846@istop.com...)" > DECterm can't, but DECW$TPU can. >fL > So, how does one go about displaying control characters in a text window ? >tK > For instance, if I write an application that displays contents of printeraF > setup modules, I would very much want to be able to provide a visual1 > representation of the control characters in it.l > ! > Any hints on how this is done ?T   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:55:22 +1100: From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>C Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? C Message-ID: <3faba48a$0$95046$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>   ) I have pondered this question many times.a  L There is a legal, and a technical answer. If, say, one is in the outsourcingH game. one needs to consider that if a system fails and the backup fails, what is your legal defence?o  I I can tell you for sure that "I knew VMS engineering said it may not workl7 but I did it anyway and it didn't" is not a great startM  6 As in everything its about, cost, convenience and risk  I If you have a cluster with two shadowed system disks, that is capable forTH one set of machines booting of one of the system disks to take the load,L then the answer is simple, shutdown the other set of nodes that boot off theL other system disk, boot it up with only one member in the system shadow set,F and then backup the other shadow set member, and then join it back in.  " Repeat for the other set of nodes.  D If you can't do this, then there are probaly other issues about yourI uarentted 24/7. Now that is not a problem per see, just be awrae of them,nK and make it clear that that is what you offer and warrant, which then makesyA it a management and cost problem rather than a technical problem.l  H I can only hope that Paul will clarify this as neatly as he did my other post :-)       --   David McKenzie  7 David.Mckenzie@paradigm-shift.dot.biz  remove the "dot"i OpenVMS IT Privacy and Law   http://www.paradigm-shift.biz 6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:3FAB2F06.3060004@MMaz.com...  > Jack Peacock wrote:  >r9 > >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in messages" > >news:3FAAC184.20500@MMaz.com... > >  > >aD > >>The problem is that if you are dealing with mulitple files and a? > >>transaction commit has not occurred, you are still corrupt.s > >> > >> > >>L > >How is dismounting a shadow member any different than a power failure (orK > >any failure that shuts the hardware down immediately)?  Is the potentiale foraG > >corruption less or more than a machine crash?  It seems to me that a6K > >graceful dismount would represent a snapshot at a relatively clean pointa inA > >a database trx log, since the drive would be flushed when it's  dismounted.P > >y > >L > > J > Your cleaver editing is taking my statement out of context.  My commentsF > where in response to someone suggesting that processes be suspended,D > shadows broken, and then backed up.  Suspending a process does notI > guarantee that all completed transactions have been committed or rolledt	 > back...s >t > Barryd >i > -- e >t@ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >  >o >a >y   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:52:02 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukC Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?k) Message-ID: <bogbii$dc9$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>i  V In article <3FAB1DED.EC4B8216@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >not-Bob Deininger wrote: M >> Particularly in a cluster, /IGNORE bypasses the very mechanisms that wouldoJ >> let BACKUP detect the unwanted conditions.  BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK canG >> and does remain completely SILENT while failing to make a good copy.  >u > N >Ok, then the VMS engineers should be given some priority in devising a modernK >way to safely backup a 24/365 system since that seems to be one of the fewpI >remaining market niches where VMS still has a big edge over competitors.  > K Which is why the VMS Engineers created snapshots so we could safely quiesce  things and take backups.1 Oh sorry - I forgot they dropped that product  :)C  M (Of course they did produce it for NT and Tru64 has it with the Advanced File J system. But they dropped it on VMS because it wouldn't work with clusters.A But then again they got Snapshots to work with Tru64 clusters ...>   )j    O >Remember thatr backups are not only in case of disk failures, but also in case$J >of user or application problems which require you go back to a previously >known-to-be-good copy.o  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:11:03 -0500* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: Erp running on Vms ?n3 Message-ID: <23Rqb.4910$G1.23117@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>d  ) We do use iRenaissance from Ross Systems.lD I'm not a user so I can't tell much about the functionality, but theK admninistration of it if just right. Uses Gembase which is both a charactertL mode (on a VMS terminal) and thin client or web based application, using theK same code. I know Gembase more than iRenaissance; Gembase is the engine ando/ Oracle is the database (you can have RDB, too).a% iRenaissance/Gembase was born on VMS.h   -- i Syltremd   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---IG "Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@conti.de> a crit dans le message den7 news:3a65a5c8.0311050828.7159791e@posting.google.com...09 > Depending on your definition of ERP, one or more of the-7 > following products working on/with OpenVMS may fit...r > / > Arel - Arel Total Management Solution (ATOMS)l* > http://www.arel.com.au/main/products.htm >a > CODA, > http://www.coda.com/solutions/Transact.asp >s$ > SSA global - MANMAN/DEC and MAXCIM7 > http://www.interbiz.com/solutions/erp/components.aspxi? > http://www.interbiz.com/gcf2003/presentations/session2308.pptt >g > ROSS Systems - iRenaissance  > http://www.rossinc.com/vD > http://www.rossinc.com/aview.asp?atype=W_PRO&id=1159&showexpired=1 >PF > I am naturally not recommending any particular product, as I haven't3 > used any of them. I'm just providing a few links.y >m	 > Cheers!- >- > Keith Cayemberg- > ICA GmbH - Hannover, Germany >8 > / > labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote in messageH. news:<bo93c8$9bk$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr>...K > > I know many customers are leaving Vms because they are moving to an Erpa- > > (Sap, Baan, Bpcs, Oracle applications...)< > >e > > Sap used to run on Vms.  > >l@ > > I wonder if there was an Erp available, today or in project. > >pF > > I think it may be critical for the future of Vms (on Vax, Alpha or	 Itanium).s > >a > > Regards> > >r
 > > Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:33:21 +0100d" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Re: Find former DECcies companies ?2 Message-ID: <3fab9127$0$235$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Wayne W. Scott wrote:    >  > this might help too --> 7 > http://networking4.eliyon.com/Networking/Default.asp?o >    2491 found ( but me :-( )o   Merci. D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:27:45 GMTA# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c Subject: IA64 TPC resultspD Message-ID: <BZNqb.983$XDB.618@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/031105b.html0  	 Nov. 5/03:J HP and Oracle achieved 1,008,144.49 tpmC with a price/performance ratio ofI $8.33/tpmC. This result is 30 percent faster than achieved by the nearest.G competitive hardware vendor. The benchmark configuration consisted of aJG (non-clustered) 64-way HP Integrity Superdome running HP-UX 11i v2 with>K Oracle Database 10g and used HP StorageWorks Virtual Arrays 7110 configureds( with 36 gigabyte and 73 gigabyte drives.  J HP and Oracle achieved 1,008,144.49 tpmC with a price/performance ratio ofI $8.33/tpmC. This result is 30 percent faster than achieved by the nearestwG competitive hardware vendor. The benchmark configuration consisted of a,G (non-clustered) 64-way HP Integrity Superdome running HP-UX 11i v2 with K Oracle Database 10g and used HP StorageWorks Virtual Arrays 7110 configuredn( with 36 gigabyte and 73 gigabyte drives.    H I wonder how Alpha GS1280 would fare under a similar test? I guess we'll8 never know. The last Alpha test was about 18 months ago.  A http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_results.asp?orderby=hardware    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:41:03 -0700)4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: IA64 TPC results-* Message-ID: <3FABD92F.7E737EA1@oracle.com>  G interesting question regarding what could a 64p GS1280 do.  The "best" DE published Alpha number was 230,533 tmpC on a GS320 at 1001MHz.  If we$F look at compaq/hp's estimated performance for the GS320 vs. the GS1280B at http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_tps.html> we might be lead to believe that a GS1280 with 64p at 1150 mhzD is around 2.76 times faster than a GS320 32p at 1000mhz (my personalC experience leads me to believe that the difference would be quite ar
 bit greater).m   	system					TPS Estimatedo2  ----------------------------------		-------------.  AlphaServer GS320 68/1001 - 32 CPU 		 76,000 *  AlphaServer GS1280 1.15 GHz 64P 		210,000  E so one might estimate that 2.76 times the 230,533 for the GS320 would C result in around 636,271 tpmC.  This, of course, doesn't take into nG account things like changes or improvements in the network and storage  G environment  (moving from HSG80 with 10k rpm disks to EVA with 15k rpm  F disks, moving  from 1gbs fibre to 2gbs), memory increases (from 256gb H to 512 (?) gb), and so on.  And also we might add another 10% for a EV7  mid-life speed up.  G Fun to imagine.  Personally, I would doubt that Oracle or HP would want G to spend the time trying to better the 1m number with Alpha in any case., since it appears that itanium is the future.   John Smith wrote:4 > ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/031105b.htmli >  > Nov. 5/03yL > HP and Oracle achieved 1,008,144.49 tpmC with a price/performance ratio ofK > $8.33/tpmC. This result is 30 percent faster than achieved by the nearest5I > competitive hardware vendor. The benchmark configuration consisted of a I > (non-clustered) 64-way HP Integrity Superdome running HP-UX 11i v2 with M > Oracle Database 10g and used HP StorageWorks Virtual Arrays 7110 configured=* > with 36 gigabyte and 73 gigabyte drives. > L > HP and Oracle achieved 1,008,144.49 tpmC with a price/performance ratio ofK > $8.33/tpmC. This result is 30 percent faster than achieved by the nearestcI > competitive hardware vendor. The benchmark configuration consisted of aeI > (non-clustered) 64-way HP Integrity Superdome running HP-UX 11i v2 withtM > Oracle Database 10g and used HP StorageWorks Virtual Arrays 7110 configured * > with 36 gigabyte and 73 gigabyte drives. > J > I wonder how Alpha GS1280 would fare under a similar test? I guess we'll: > never know. The last Alpha test was about 18 months ago. > C > http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_results.asp?orderby=hardwarea   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:14:36 +0100o" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: It worksE2 Message-ID: <3fabd30d$0$229$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Bob Koehler wrote:  I >   Edit decw$private_apps_setup.com and put in the symbol decw$loginlogorA >   to point to a .com or .exe that does something more pleasant.u  N I did find this SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM! but should I edit it by hand? :-(o  F (maybe someone could send me a genuine DIGITAL procedure or .PM file?)   Thanks,,   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 08:25:44 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u< Subject: Re: It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?)3 Message-ID: <cT36wkS4OsC6@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  W In article <3fab9a60$0$227$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: : > yeah. I found and installed Hummingbird's eXceed (64 MB)! > It works fine, but when typing:r > 8 > DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2 > DTL02> mc DECW$STARTLOGIN  > O > I got an *awful* HUGE red compaq logo right in the middle of my laptop PC :-(xS > No, I need to datamine the hoffaq(TM) to remember how to give up with that login c4 > picture and put a nice (blue) !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! one.  G   Edit decw$private_apps_setup.com and put in the symbol decw$loginlogoT?   to point to a .com or .exe that does something more pleasant.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:12:42 +0100i" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>8 Subject: It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?)2 Message-ID: <3fab9a60$0$227$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  8 yeah. I found and installed Hummingbird's eXceed (64 MB) It works fine, but when typing:a  6 DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2 DTL02> mc DECW$STARTLOGINs  M I got an *awful* HUGE red compaq logo right in the middle of my laptop PC :-( Q No, I need to datamine the hoffaq(TM) to remember how to give up with that login -2 picture and put a nice (blue) !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! one.   Thanks for all, friends.   D.' The (DECnet IV) Network is the system !?       Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:   > @ > http://www.google.com/search?q=X%2dServer+software+for+windows >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:05:25 -0500t( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>< Subject: Re: It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?), Message-ID: <3FABD0D5.7020303@tsoft-inc.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:S  : > yeah. I found and installed Hummingbird's eXceed (64 MB)! > It works fine, but when typing:M > 8 > DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2 > DTL02> mc DECW$STARTLOGIN  > I > I got an *awful* HUGE red compaq logo right in the middle of my laptop e > PC :-(H > No, I need to datamine the hoffaq(TM) to remember how to give up with ? > that login picture and put a nice (blue) !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! one.a  N Search Google.  This topic has come up at least once in the past, and I think 0 several times.  I don't know if it's in the FAQ.   Dave   -- /4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roada Vanderbilt, PA  15486n   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri,  7 Nov 2003 17:00:01 +0100 (CET)r% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>r5 Subject: Re: JF Mezei caught trolling with pants downi8 Message-ID: <2a8a5fc514ea93b858e11e43617f997f@dizum.com>  + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:w   >"Jorge R. Frank" wrote:L >> Apparently because JF Mezei ran out of Star Trek pseudonyms. I don't know( >> why he bothers; we all know it's him. >oO >Your message have been brought to my attention. First of all, I do not know ifnM >you are using a royal "we" of if you officially represent some group who areeK >out to insult selected people even after they have left "your" newsgroup ?e > M >I do not know why or why you would want to attribute some anonymous posts to M >me.  My IP addess begins with 66. But my ISP uses a proxy to access the newslK >server operated by Sympatico. In case you didn't know, Sympatico is a very O >large ISP in Canada, so just because my posts appear to be from Sympatico, youa  >cannot assume it comes from me.  I Yeah, right, they must be coming from the same disembodied entity who has G posted hundreds of rabid anti-American trolls in other groups under therI colorful names below.  It's amazing how they manage to "forge" (accordingmI to you) EVERY single detail of your headers so perfectly.  Even the parts-I that can't be forged because they are added by the ISP AFTER the post hasa9 been sent and can't be altered.  Must be powerful ghosts!g  I It's unbelieveable how you can continue to deny it, even when you've beentK caught out.  But then, what would one expect from an adult baby  whose mindtH is still obsessed with sexual stuff that most teenagers have outgrown byK the time they leave high school.  Just witness where your mind dwells basedr= on the trolling aliases you've used recently in other groups:h  ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>R# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>e  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>h% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>X$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>c& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>2! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>B  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>s% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>$$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org>' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>j Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>' Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>s' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>-( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>e% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>c& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>V" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>a' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>a Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>a' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>r% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org> $ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org> Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>t etc.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 05:05:02 -0800d. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Logging sessions0= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311070505.1532bb98@posting.google.com>C  I Is there a way to log the sessions by default, like SET HOST/LOG etc... ?iT I am saying in the first login for some specific accounts, like SYSTEM, FIELD,etc...   Regardst   FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:06:54 -0600$ From: "Garion" <rwenden@hotmail.com> Subject: mounting tape drive? 1 Message-ID: <2bRqb.36152$0M6.54780@news1.mts.net>S   I need to do a restore.T& The mka1500 is online but not mounted.J I don't want to give it a label or log, just want to see whats on the tape) and possibly copy some of the files off!!a' Help would be great, i'm a newb to vms.c TIA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:19:27 -0700g+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>l! Subject: Re: mounting tape drive?2' Message-ID: <3FABE22F.5050601@MMaz.com>   
 Garion wrote:t   >I need to do a restore.' >The mka1500 is online but not mounted.eK >I don't want to give it a label or log, just want to see whats on the tapee* >and possibly copy some of the files off!!( >Help would be great, i'm a newb to vms. >  o >aB Well, presuming that it is labeled, you could mount the take with:   MOU/OVER=ID MKA500:   > but if there is no label, it would require a foreign mounting:   MOU/FOR MKA500:   J but then you would need to know the tape contents to proceed from there...   Barry.   --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:04:44 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>  Subject: Re: Open source DBM's9 Message-ID: <bofjmv$1d098t$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>f   Javier Henderson wrote:n > Hoff Hoffman writes: >> Javier Henderson writes: F >>> What, if any, is available in the way of open source SQL DBM's for >>> VMS? >>E >>   I've ports of two versions of MySQL arriving on OpenVMS FreewarerB >>   V6.0. (The Freeware disks are shipping with the OpenVMS Alpha >>   V7.3-2 release.)o >s% > Do you know what versions of MySQL?e   4.0.16  8 The most recent announcement (including a download URL):L http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=bntqpm%24563%241%40news-reader3.wanadoo. fr  . > And, are the Freeware CD's available online?  = I expect Freeware V6.0 will be when OpenVMS V7.3-2 comes out.e   cu,n   Martin --F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:41:44 -00005 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt>m Subject: Re: Open source DBM's: Message-ID: <bofpfu$1e87mi$1@ID-191217.news.uni-berlin.de>  5 "Javier Henderson" <javier@KJSL.COM> wrote in messagen' news:86ptg541kv.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com...lI > What, if any, is available in the way of open source SQL DBM's for VMS?i >r > -jav  L Apart from mySQL, there is also hsqldb, fully written in Java and very lightJ weight. I tried it some days ago on a VMS system (7.3-1, JDK 1.4.1) and it> worked straight away. Just unzip the distribution and read theL documentation. Functionally more like mySQL than like Oracle, and only to be* connected to through JDBC. Have a look at: http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net-I The version I tried was 1.7.1. It comes was a nice datamanager, that runsd@ both with DECwinfowds and as an applet in a browser. Sqldb is so2 light-weight it can even run itselfs as an applet.   regards 
 rob van lopik0     ---m& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 5-11-2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:47:11 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e Subject: Re: Open source DBM'sD Message-ID: <znNqb.746$XDB.401@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Javier Henderson wrote:cD > What, if any, is available in the way of open source SQL DBM's for > VMS?    H Interbase is now open source. There used to be a fully supported VAX/VMS version available.   Check sourceforge.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:26:56 GMT.# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)s Subject: Re: Open source DBM's2 Message-ID: <QtRqb.8662$pY7.8206@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <bofjmv$1d098t$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> writes:  :Javier Henderson wrote: :> Hoff Hoffman writes:w :>> Javier Henderson writes:G :>>> What, if any, is available in the way of open source SQL DBM's for$	 :>>> VMS?4 :>>wF :>>   I've ports of two versions of MySQL arriving on OpenVMS FreewareC :>>   V6.0. (The Freeware disks are shipping with the OpenVMS Alphas :>>   V7.3-2 release.) :>& :> Do you know what versions of MySQL? :s :4.0.16e    <   Freeware V6.0 has both MYSQL-4_0_15 and MYSQL-4_1_1 ports.   ..  / :> And, are the Freeware CD's available online?o :0> :I expect Freeware V6.0 will be when OpenVMS V7.3-2 comes out.    @   Correct.  The Freeware website will likely be updated with the>   V6.0 distribution sometime later on during this month.  URL:  "     www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqaN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comS   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 07:27:45 -0800e. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Itanium and Blades... = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311070727.7220a055@posting.google.com>i   By the way ....X  @ I read in the news (Cnet) that HP is developing "station-blades" like the ClearCube ones.   http://www.clearcube.com    ! "HP to introduce desktop blades":   * http://news.com.com/2100-1003-5102943.html   Regardso   FC t  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3FA5B391.69D0448C@fsi.net>... > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > B > > Do you know if HP will develop Itanium Blades to run OpenVMS ?< > > I am imagining this blades for industrial automation and > > massive clustering.... > A > If "blade" = "SBC" (Single Board Computer) for purposes of thisl$ > discussion, I don't see why not...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 01:46:47 +1100: From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OSC Message-ID: <3fabb09c$0$95046$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>    bring back the VT340   -- 2 David McKenzie  7 David.Mckenzie@paradigm-shift.dot.biz  remove the "dot"e OpenVMS IT Privacy and Law   http://www.paradigm-shift.bizr; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagee7 news:f30679fb.0311050320.443387bb@posting.google.com...t7 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % news:<3FA7F520.EDD5DE87@istop.com>...e > > Fabio Cardoso wrote:I > > > How about the GUI ? You shouldnt forget that these PDAs operatinga5 > > > systems are orientated to the User Interfacing.n > >nI > > Interestingly, in the case of Symbian OS, they unbundled the GUI froms the OS.oK > > There are primitives and that is it. Each mobile phone manufacturer hasrJ > > adopted its own GUI layer to give their phones a distinctive look/feel fori > > competitive reasons. > >a > > > The lack of OVMSC > > > nowadays is a good graphical/fast windowing system. Of courselA > > > there is the Open/X Graphic stuff but for me its obsolete.w > >oK > > If X is so obsolete, how come linux is based on it ? How come Apple nowu > > supports it in its OS-X ?  > >sI > > The VMS implementation of X may be obsolete because engineers haven't  beenJ > > given permission to bring it up to current standards, but that doesn't make X obsolete. >dG > Well ! I was trying to say that there arent many users using OpenVMSr	 X/WindowsaJ > applications. Or they still using VT terminal or Web based applications.E > If HP develop another VT/GUI etc...with the characteristics of thini client,X > should be good.  > 	 > Regardsd >l > FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:26:27 -0700n+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>r* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS' Message-ID: <3FABC7B3.4010106@MMaz.com>a   David McKenzie wrote:n   >bring back the VT340? >( >    >.F Believe it or not, I kinda liked the old VT125's :-)  Something about F the heartiness of the keyboard, built in graphics at that time, etc...   Barry    -- o  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        .   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:38:38 +0100s7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Performance problem/ Message-ID: <bogea1$d9h$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>T   Hi all,d  I When I start Motif application from decterm it works fine. When the same e application starts from F CDE front panel the performance is very bad. Account is the same. The   application is graphic intensive and memory expensive.    What's the reason?   Thanks in advancey   Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 07:29:15 -0800o. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)" Subject: Re: Printing from OPENVMS= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311070729.2b675d2f@posting.google.com>e   People  & May be they have some kind of product:   http://www.nls.com   Regardsn   FC d    [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FAA9DAB.602A4757@istop.com>...n
 > John wrote:a > > N > > Any ideas on how to print an EPS (encapsulated postscript) file from a VMS" > > prompt  on a vms printer que ? > % > You'd need to create 2 small files.o > P > One would be a standard postscript header file. At the bottom of the file, youF > would need to position the "cursor" on the page with something like: >  > 0 0 moveto > 1 1 scale  >  > ) > And in the second file, you would have:r > 
 > showpage6 > followed by a postscript trailer (closing comments). >  > then, from the $sign:a > ? > print/queue=mypostscript   header.ps,myepsfile.eps,trailer.ps  >  > K > And EPS file is a self contained virtual object. You need to "place" that 5 > object somewhere on a page and then eject the page.d   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 07:31:33 GMTo2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>1 Subject: Re: QIO Function code for Telnet device. 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-X7veXL5gEt0n@localhost>l  F On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:49:01 UTC, barmstr3@jaguar.com (Brian Armstrong) wrote:  @ > I am converting a bit of code from using LAT devices to TelnetD > devices. The $QIOW function code for the LAT device is as follows: >  > IO$_TTY_PORT+IO$M_LT_CONNECT > 5 > If I try this with a Telnet device I get the error:t > 2 > "%SYSTEM-F-ILLIOFUNC, illegal I/O function code" > C > I am using the following commands from a DCL command procedure tot > create the Telnet device:i > - > $ TELNET /CREATE_SESSION C0901T01  2002 800 O > $ SET TERMINAL TNA800/DEVICE=VT300/PERMANENT/NOECHO/NOINTERACT/PASTHRU/HANGUP  > . > I am using V7.1 OpenVMS and UCX version 4.1. > H > Does anyone know what the correct IO function code is for this? I haveD > searched the OpenVMS documentation and found no reference to this. > . > Thanks in advance for any help you can give.  < Never tried using Telnet ports but since IO$M_LT_CONNECT is F specifically for LAT ports I wouldn't  be surprised if it generated anE error. My use of the modifier is preceeded by a check on whether the iF i/o port is indeed a LAT device or not. You'll probably need to modify" the associated disconnect as well.   -- o Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 07:31:34 GMTG2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: Re: SEDT text editor for MS-DOS for downloadh5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-pGLpdlgnppVC@localhost>t  3 On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:11:03 UTC, "Grealy, Patrick"    <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> wrote:   > Hi,sM> Does anyone know where I can download a copy of SEDT for MS-DOS. It used to come with Pathworks but I can't find it on the CDs we have. The home page for SEDT at http://users.rcn.com/anker/sedt/sedt.htm has an online manual but the download link ftp://ftp.ultranet.com/pub/anker/sedt/sedwin.exe results in a page unavailable error.h	 > Thanks,  > Pat G.  B If nobody else can help drop me a note. I've got a copy of a  DOS  version (3.3?) here.   -- P Cheers - Dave.   Real address is something like c* djweathATTHEDOMAINattglobalDOTCHARACTERnet   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:20:15 GMT-" From: Rob Komar <rkomar@telus.net>  Subject: Re: TS10, still around?+ Message-ID: <lbgfob.352.ln@robpc2.home.org>s  " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >  > F > To write a fast emulator you must either write a state machine or anF > efficient table driven interpreter, by the latter I mean a type loopE > based on canonical actions, not an interpreter as in an interpretedRF > language.  See the book "Engineering a Compiler" by Anklam, Cutler, I > et. al.  which describes our TBL, Table Building Language.  This avoidstI > procedure calls and runtime calls. C++ only works because computers are H > fast.  It is a poor excuse for a programming language.  Because of itsJ > heavy use of runtime it is essential an interpreter.  State machines areD > harder to extend and maintain. TBL is by its nature extensible and > self documenting.e > D > If you are serious about writing a real emulator, I might make TBL7 > avaialble as a freeware tool.  It is written in PL/I.u   Hi,eK would you give a brief description of how a table driven interpreter works?sI It sounds intriguing, but I doubt that I can get my hands on the book you2 mention.   Cheers,M	 Rob Komara   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 08:16:25 -0600f; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)40 Subject: Re: VAX to AIX NFS Problem Please HELP!3 Message-ID: <UMVrMhBZHuZC@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  c In article <2bcd6fe2.0311061248.1ea386a1@posting.google.com>, rkrishp@hotmail.com (Krishna) writes:y > Hi,i > @ > We have an Alpha server running on VAX Vms(I am not a VAX guy)  F    Yes, we can tell.  Alpha is a 64 bit RISC computer architecture (or@    hardware that implements it).  VAX is a 32 bit CISC computer L    architecture.  VMS is an operating system (software) that runs on Alpha, F    VAX, and Itanium (a 64 bit EPIC architecture).  VAX VMS is the VAX F    version of VMS and you probably are not running that on your Alpha.*    That's OK, we can guess what you meant.  2 > and RS/6000 Version 4.3.3 NFS mounted both ways.  G    You don't seem to be an RS/6000 guy either.  That's OK.  FYI:  that dK    RS/6000 is a 32 bit RISC computer architecture.  Version 4.3.3 probably d<    refers to the AIX operating system?  I'll assume it does.  3 > We recently changed the hostname of the vax box. r >   D    I'll assume you changed the IP hostname of the Alpha running VMS.  C    This can lead to several issues, depending on how you did it andlG    giving you specific help will require knowing which IP stack you are F    running on your Alpha.  Version numbers may also be needed.  PleaseF    grab a copy of the FAQ, it will help you figure out what info we'll-    need.  (http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/).  E    In general the IP stack, NFS, and DNS all have their own copies of F    information like hostnames.  You need to be sure that all three areE    completely in sync on both boxes.  There's a good chance that some H    NFS setting on the Alpha didn't get updated, such as mappings between    UNIX UID/GID and VMS UIC.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:36:55 +0100m" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>5 Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?e2 Message-ID: <3fab91fd$0$260$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   John Smith wrote:h  M > Looking for the most current list of the 500+ applications that HP has saido' > are so far being ported to IA-64/VMS.d  Q http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_move.htmlL  P This information provided free of charge by GORL, the Galactic OpenVMS Research  Laboratories...s   D. -- e:            Read the last VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration NewsC      English: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdfaC       French: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf   F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationoF Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:56:22 GMTj# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s5 Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?eD Message-ID: <awNqb.820$XDB.775@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In articleC > <6qzqb.1611$SQt.1556@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John ! > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:U# >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:CG >>> In article <c1wqb.317$SQt.48@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,i) >>> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: G >>>> Looking for the most current list of the 500+ applications that HPy3 >>>> has said are so far being ported to IA-64/VMS.  >>>>5 >>>> Would prefer seeing the list organized two ways:h& >>>> by vendor and by application type >>>> >>>>H >>>> Anybody have a URL?  I've poked around but obviously have missed it >>>> someplace.h >>>yG >>> Can't even get a printable version of the calling standard.  How do G >>> they expect people to port anything but the simplest "Hello World!"p
 >>> programs?c >> >> >> [grassy knoll]c? >> It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy -- along the lines ofuB >> 'eviscerate' as some HP exec once said of proprietary operating? >> systems.... don't tell anyone how to write programs for youreE >> proprietary os...then there are no apps...then no demand...then no B >> need to be making that os or hardware...then be the high pricedF >> vendor of commodity hardware...go out of business...do not pass GO,' >> do not collect $200. [/grassy knoll]c >> >>D >> Perhaps if we're lucky, something along the lines of what we bothG >> seek will appear automagically next week in NH - unless is deemed tos0 >> classified information for the annointed few. >tG > ... and from your statement above, I take it you'll be there?  If so,r > pleaseG > be certain to introduce yourself.  If you choose to retain anonimity,e > I will	 > oblige.e  E Sadly not. Working on 2 major projects - both at critical stages, oneaK professional (about $20-25MM total value, about 50:50 hardware/software) in-H which VMS could play a major role if the public perception of VMS in theK financial services industry was not "it's dead or nearly so" and "why isn'tdF HP advertising & marketing VMS if it's so great"; and a large personal project.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:06:17 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o5 Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?yD Message-ID: <tFNqb.900$XDB.384@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:r > John Smith wrote:A > E >> Looking for the most current list of the 500+ applications that HPE1 >> has said are so far being ported to IA-64/VMS.r >o >nL http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_move .htmlO >S@ > This information provided free of charge by GORL, the Galactic" > OpenVMS Research Laboratories...    L Thanks. I knew about these. What I was looking for was a list of commitmentsC made by ISV's regarding the software they were porting to IA64/VMS.m  + Something along the lines of (for example):H   RDBMSe	 ---------  Oracle 10i     - Oracle Corp Rdb 7           - Oracle Corps  Sybase 12 (ha ha) - Sybase Corp. DB2             - IBM Corp& Ingres           - Computer Associates     OODBMS -----------S none         etc.....     Tools. -------e
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 -------------e ACMS Tuxedo CICS connector   Other Stuff- ------------ PDMF etc...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:26:29 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e5 Subject: RE: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?n9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKENLIHAA.tom@kednos.com>p  D Some of these are written in PL/I which could explain their absence.
 >MQ Series >DECmessageQ (BEA-   >-----Original Message----- ) >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] ( >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:06 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 >Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64? >  >t >Didier Morandi wrote: >> John Smith wrote: >>F >>> Looking for the most current list of the 500+ applications that HP2 >>> has said are so far being ported to IA-64/VMS. >> >>D >http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/ope
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 >------------  >PDMF: >etc...0 >  >m >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.>; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).EA >Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003S >0 --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:50:42 +0100d" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>5 Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?p2 Message-ID: <3fabb158$0$259$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   John Smith wrote:n  S > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_move.html- > N > Thanks. I knew about these. What I was looking for was a list of commitmentsE > made by ISV's regarding the software they were porting to IA64/VMS.7  ( I have asked the maintainer of this page> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/solution_cur_a.html to add the i64 column.   D. GORL Pdt & CEO   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:22:00 GMTr" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?f0 Message-ID: <00A288A1.745BB073@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3fabb158$0$259$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:u >John Smith wrote: > T >> http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_move.html >> iO >> Thanks. I knew about these. What I was looking for was a list of commitmentswF >> made by ISV's regarding the software they were porting to IA64/VMS. >d) >I have asked the maintainer of this pager? >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/solution_cur_a.html  >to add the i64 column.h  J An interesting link.  I found my products listed with (Status in progress)J whatever the hell that means and I honestly don't know where they obtainedJ the rudimentary information that does appear there.  I do know that nobody2 from HP has contacted me about future IPF support.   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            C5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:44:36 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>H5 Subject: RE: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?c9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOENOIHAA.tom@kednos.com>0   >-----Original Message-----eC >From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG]u( >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:22 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 >Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64? >u >/B >In article <3fabb158$0$259$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi ><no@spam.com> writes: >>John Smith wrote:r >> >>>rD >http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/ope >nvms_move.htmlw >>>eA >>> Thanks. I knew about these. What I was looking for was a lista >of commitmentsbG >>> made by ISV's regarding the software they were porting to IA64/VMS.r >>* >>I have asked the maintainer of this page@ >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/solution_cur_a.html >>to add the i64 column. >mK >An interesting link.  I found my products listed with (Status in progress).K >whatever the hell that means and I honestly don't know where they obtained K >the rudimentary information that does appear there.  I do know that nobody 3 >from HP has contacted me about future IPF support.c  G I suppose the right way to do this is for each item to have link to thec ISV'sf8 page describing their commitment, schedule and the like.   >  >--n1 >VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hackern >VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >05 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"T >> >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.G; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003t >h ---g& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:14:39 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?wF Message-ID: <jiRqb.2355$XDB.2135@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Oh sh*t.  E I know a number of VMS sites (read: big, relatively price insensitivesJ customers with hardware/software service/maintenance contracts) that won'tK be VMS sites after they retire their Alpha's if MQ Series won't be on IA64.i; They probably won't be HP hardware sites after that either.e  F I suppose that they could use a Java MQ with its attendant performance
 penalties.  E  Or maybe carly(tm), Gorham, and Marcello will offer to come over and J wearing green eyeshades and armbands take all the messages and put them inE pneumatic tubes to route them to the appropriate departments in those-, organizations for further manual processing.         Tom Linden wrote:aF > Some of these are written in PL/I which could explain their absence. >> MQ Series >> DECmessageQ (BEA  >A >> -----Original Message----- + >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] * >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:06 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >> Subject: Re: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64? >> >> >> Didier Morandi wrote: >>> John Smith wrote:* >>> G >>>> Looking for the most current list of the 500+ applications that HPd3 >>>> has said are so far being ported to IA-64/VMS.p >>>  >>>hF >> http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/ope >> nvms_move >> .html >>>pB >>> This information provided free of charge by GORL, the Galactic$ >>> OpenVMS Research Laboratories... >> >>C >> Thanks. I knew about these. What I was looking for was a list ofe >> commitmentsF >> made by ISV's regarding the software they were porting to IA64/VMS. >>. >> Something along the lines of (for example): >> >> RDBMS >> --------- >> Oracle 10i     - Oracle Corp:  >> Rdb 7           - Oracle Corp# >> Sybase 12 (ha ha) - Sybase Corp.: >> DB2             - IBM Corpp) >> Ingres           - Computer Associatese >> >>	 >> OODBMS. >> ----------- >> none. >> >> >> >> >> etc.....  >> >> >> Tools
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 >> Rogue Waves >> >> >> Messaging >> ----------- >> MQ Series >> DECmessageQ (BEA) >> JMQ >> >> Application Servers >> -------------------- # >> IBM - Websphere (all components)o	 >> Oracle  >> BEA >> >> TP Monitors >> ------------- >> ACMSe	 >> Tuxedou >> CICS connector  >> >> Other Stuff >> ------------y >> PDMFt	 >> etc...s >> >> >> ---) >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.t= >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).hC >> Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003  >> > ---I( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/3/2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:54:37 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>n5 Subject: RE: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?mR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17C4D9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]=20e! > Sent: November 7, 2003 10:26 AMe > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: RE: Where's the full list of ports to IA-64?c >=20F > Some of these are written in PL/I which could explain their absence. > >MQ Series > >DECmessageQ (BEAw >=20   Tom,   Re: BEA - reference:/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/beamessageq.htmlhG "BEA MessageQ is at the core of tens of thousands of enterprise OpenVMSrD applications and systems, enabling them to communicate reliably withC each other. To help customers integrate with, or port their OpenVMSeF applications to, the recently announced EV7-based AlphaServer systems,A BEA has certified MessageQ on OpenVMS v7.3.1 and will continue toyB support all future AlphaServer platforms. As a result of importantE customer feedback that has brought about a concerted effort to fostereH closer ties with its enormous installed base, BEA has recently committedG to porting MessageQ to OpenVMS on Itanium(r)-based systems.....[see url< for rest of release].    Regardsi  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660T Fax: 613-591-4477r Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom@. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:30:19 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: [OT] NetBSD and Linux2 Message-ID: <3fab582b$0$261$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  E Where is the interest on the NetBSD project now that "we" have Linux?iO Sorry if the question is stupid, I did not know NetBSD until a few seconds ago.<   D. -- s:            Read the last VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration NewsC      English: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdfaC       French: www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf   F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationiF Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 12:41:12 GMTa( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: [OT] NetBSD and Linux: Message-ID: <bog3t8$1dpsoj$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  2 In article <3fab582b$0$261$636a55ce@news.free.fr>,% 	Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: G > Where is the interest on the NetBSD project now that "we" have Linux?iQ > Sorry if the question is stupid, I did not know NetBSD until a few seconds ago.a  B Not only NetBSD, but OpenBSD and also FreeBSD for Alpha (and x86).  E The two biggest differences between Linux and the various (especially F Free) BSD's is hype and quality.  One has haype the other has quality.  A And along the common c.o.v thread, notice that the more succesfulbC (in a business sense) one is not the one with better quality or theaA one with the more reasonable business license but is the one withr? the most marketing.  Like VMS, imagine where the BSD's would be  if they actually had marketing.-   bill   -- ,J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2003 08:20:03 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)v" Subject: Re: [OT] NetBSD and Linux3 Message-ID: <pnLTSh6bD1aR@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  W In article <3fab582b$0$261$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: G > Where is the interest on the NetBSD project now that "we" have Linux?.Q > Sorry if the question is stupid, I did not know NetBSD until a few seconds ago.,  G    IIRC there is no Linux for VAX.  There are various BSD based systemsoD    freely available for VAX.  I don't know if NetBSD is one of them.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:51:50 -0500 (EST)+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>a" Subject: Re: [OT] NetBSD and LinuxG Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0311070948240.820@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>h  K netbsd and openbsd both have well maintained ports to the VAX. netbsd has ahP larger community, though there is a very large overlap and a lot of code sharingL between the two communities. i run netbsd on everything from a microvax-2 upK to a 4000-600... on vs3100s, a 4k/vlc, a 4k/60, a uV3100-40, a couple KA6500' machines.. it runs on almost all vaxen.mE also, of course, there is CSRG BSD unix: 4.xBSD. I run 4.3-tahoe on a- uvax-3 for retro fun.e   Isildurr    & On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Bob Koehler wrote:  Y > In article <3fab582b$0$261$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:MI > > Where is the interest on the NetBSD project now that "we" have Linux?OS > > Sorry if the question is stupid, I did not know NetBSD until a few seconds ago.  > I >    IIRC there is no Linux for VAX.  There are various BSD based systems F >    freely available for VAX.  I don't know if NetBSD is one of them. >g >d   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.618 ************************