1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 08 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 620       Contents:: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more?* HTTP Error 206: accelerator or impatience? Re: IA64 TPC results  IBM Itanium x445 (16 processors)$ Re: IBM Itanium x445 (16 processors)= Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation = Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation = Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation = Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation  OpenVMS and HP Nimbus ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS   Re: [very OT] Matrix Revolutions  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:41:39 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)C Subject: Re: Does anyone shut down for system disk backup any more? $ Message-ID: <boih93$lct$1@online.de>  2 In article <3FAB1DED.EC4B8216@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:    > not-Bob Deininger wrote:N > > Particularly in a cluster, /IGNORE bypasses the very mechanisms that wouldK > > let BACKUP detect the unwanted conditions.  BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK can H > > and does remain completely SILENT while failing to make a good copy.  % It is /IGNORE and not /COMPLAIN.  :-|   O > Ok, then the VMS engineers should be given some priority in devising a modern L > way to safely backup a 24/365 system since that seems to be one of the fewJ > remaining market niches where VMS still has a big edge over competitors.  F If you REALLY have a 24*365 (distinctly more than 24/365 :-) ) system,E then by definition you can gracefully survive a node crash.  You have E enough nodes to retain quorum, and all your processes are restartable 0 batch jobs submitted to generic queues etc etc.   F Thus, it must be possible to shut down a node, backup its system disk,F then boot it back into the cluster.  This is much more graceful than aB node crash.  If you can't do this, then how do you upgrade in your 24*365 cluster?   D Of course, you have more than one system disk, since one system disk? (even a (controller-based) shadow set with members in different H buildings separated by several kilometers) is a single point of failure.  F I don't see the point in jumping through hoops so that a cluster with E one system disk can remain up all the time since if staying up is so  5 important, you should have more than one system disk.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:25:36 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>3 Subject: HTTP Error 206: accelerator or impatience? 2 Message-ID: <3face0d2$0$244$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  Q Sorry for this personal question, but as some of you were highly involved in the  + subject, I thought I could post it in here.   P Again, with the November issue of the Letter (see link below), I got 90% of 206 C errors with partial file download (and 69 success as of yesterday).   P The Ottawa WATS tool (http://wats.ca/resources/httperrorcodes/24#200_range) sez:   HTTP Error 206H Partial Content. The request was canceled before it could be fulfilled. K Typically the user gave up waiting for data and went to another page. Some  I download accelerator programs produce this error as they submit multiple  - requests to download a file at the same time.   P So, in case you don't mind to share that info with me, could you pls send me an J email to firstnamelastname a t nerim d o t n e t with some answers to the  following questions?  M a) did you once or many times gave up with the Newsletter download (too slow) 5 b) did you just go to another page (change your mind) 9 c) did you experiment a broken link error during download # d) do you use download accelerators $ e) other reason why I get 206 errors  P Many thanks for helping Public Technical Information providers to enhance their 	 services.    D. --  :            Read the last VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News3                  www.didiermorandi.com/index_us.htm    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 03:39:16 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: IA64 TPC results 2 Message-ID: <LsGdnQr9vqYoNjGiRVn-gQ@metrocast.net>  1 "Hein" <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> wrote in message ( news:3FAC73F4.10239FAB@eps.zk.dec.com...   ...   L > You correctly point out that the ES45 result is a better base, but not the 56K 
 > sybasse,H > but rather the 50K Oracle with 1.0Ghz cpus. Now scale that to 1.25 and compare 
 > with theI > rx5670 4p 1.5Ghz itanium at 136K. The IA64 performs pretty good, better  than the7 > best Alpha and supposedly this is just the beginning.   C Unfortunately for Itanic, the point in question concerned the TPC-C I performance of 64-processor systems, not 4-processor systems.  While it's I conceivable that some other Itanic platform (possibly Altix?) could scale E TPC-C performance up fairly linearly from the 4-processor level given G scalable database software, and quite likely that Marvel could scale up K Alpha performance similarly under the same circumstances, Superdome clearly H can't - so at 64 processors, even with its 1998-design core technology aC Marvel system might well give the brand new Superdome a pretty good  challenge (if HP would let it).    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2003 08:09:12 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)) Subject: IBM Itanium x445 (16 processors) = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311080809.36549859@posting.google.com>    Click   5 http://news.com.com/2100-1010-5104447.html?tag=cd_top      Regards    FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:01:12 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: IBM Itanium x445 (16 processors) 2 Message-ID: <u6SdnaqcN53EvDCiRVn-sg@metrocast.net>  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 7 news:f30679fb.0311080809.36549859@posting.google.com...  > Click  > 7 > http://news.com.com/2100-1010-5104447.html?tag=cd_top   L IBM does seem to have found the sweet spot for both Xeon and Itanic systems:L its 'X architecture' 4-processor modules provide respectable performance andC price/performance, and combining them into larger systems (up to 16 K processors) scales just well enough to be useful while poorly enough not to ? challenge the systems that it's *really* interested in selling.   J That's good enough to nip at HP's heels in the x86 server space - and withG HP apparently losing interest in that space above the 4-processor level E IBM's position should only improve (it'll be a couple of years before G dual-core x86s give the limited HP platforms a much-needed boost).  And L given the disappointing per-processor performance of Superdome compared withG HP's zx1 chipset, the likely mediocre scaling of IBM's 'X architecture' E Itanic systems may be sufficient to compete effectively there as well I (again, while leaving the POWERx systems comfortably in front at the high  end).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:11:49 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>F Subject: Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation* Message-ID: <boi8ph$er5$1@reader08.wxs.nl>  
 Solid advice.    JF Mezei wrote:   K > Try b/1 to get to the SYSBOOT> prompt, if that succeeds, use the command  H > SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 = "MIN"     (not sure of = is required or not)  K The "=" is not used in SYSGEN or SYSBOOT, only in MODPARAMS.DAT for AUTOGEN   % So: use SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"    --  
 Wilm Boerhout    w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:22:29 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>F Subject: Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation2 Message-ID: <3facb5e6$0$231$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:  ../.. 8 > At the >>> prompt, use TEST 75 and follow the prompts.  . *NEVER* heard of that in 22 years of DEC life. I love that forum...   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:45:03 +0100 - From: WiseLYNX <wiselynx.naima@fastwebnet.it> F Subject: Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation6 Message-ID: <Yz5rb.1223$ZH3.159@tornado.fastwebnet.it>  I > Wise, VMS is not Windoze. VMS is the fruit of an exact science (French   > expression).H Hey hey.. I'm not exactly the last winzowz (l)user.. I know a bit about = other OSs, the problem is I don't know at all VMS (nor VAX..)   B > Either it had a standard/valid/normal installation (choose your J > favorite) and it will work for ages, or it hasn't and either there is a K > bug in the params and we'll fix it, or there is a mix of software (which  K > seems the case) and the only wise action, to me, is to format the system  ) > disk then install a new version of VMS. F Yes.. It was my idea also. But, because I tryied it and _for now_ I'm B not able to do it, I was wondering if I could recover the present H installation, both because for now is the only thing I could do desides  waiting, and because I did  J > So, as Nov the 3rd thread suggested to me, go and purchase another SCSI J > CD-ROM drive with a new flat cable (one never knows) and do perform the ' > hobbyist CD installation. Then enjoy. H The problem is, I can't substitute the cables (VS3100 seems to use some I pretty uncommon type of cables..) Anyway, would it give such an error if  D it was a cable matter? (I mean, the mount verify error). For the CD I drive.. well, VS3100 is pretty overnice about this, I tryied 4 different  H and none worked for now.. but the fact that one can at least boot, lets < me think that it's just a matter or finding the right one :)  I > Something else noone noted, which has nothing to do with your problem.  I > You have two SCSI controllers. I would suggest that you remove one and  G > plug your disks from address 0, to have DKA0, DKA100 and DKA400 (the  $ > CD-ROM generally uses address 4). H Can you please explain me way you'd suggest this? Anyway, I'm using tha  machine as I found it..    > Then ask  J > http://www.digital-equipment.com/ to send you a good old RZ29 to put as I > a system disk and to store all your Hobbyist layered products and much   > more. I Mh.. one thing to say.. I got this VS for free, and I'm not likely gonna  ' spend money on it.. I'm just a student!   
 > My 2 euros.  .. ??   J > (PS: do you know that none of your site's pages are displayable but the 
 > home page?) J What do you mean? Which pages? I checked and I can see all.. If you'd wantI to write me in private and explain, it would be very kind of you to help   me fixing bugs in my site :)   --      Wise	   O  LYNX   8 GPG key: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.ascA MD5 checksum: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.asc.md5    -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1I GE>$/IT/S d+ s: !a>? C++(+++)>$ U P>+ L++>++++ E--- W++ N ?o ?K w-- ?O ?M G ?V>+ PS+ !PE Y+ PGP+ t- ?5 X- R+(*) tv- b+(++)>+++ DI(++) !D G e++ h!*@  r%>++ y-->+  ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:34:03 +0100 - From: WiseLYNX <wiselynx.naima@fastwebnet.it> F Subject: Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation5 Message-ID: <Th6rb.1312$ZH3.92@tornado.fastwebnet.it>   S > I would suspect your disk is corrupt, or your hardware config has not too kosher. , .. mh.. what does "kosher" exactly means? :)  K > Try b/1 to get to the SYSBOOT> prompt, if that succeeds, use the command  H > SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 = "MIN"     (not sure of = is required or not) > SYSBOOT> SET VAXCLUSTER = 0  > SYSBOOT> SET MSCP = 0  > SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP=OPA0: > SYSBOOT> CONTINUE  > L > This invokes a minimal boot with minimal configuration of devices. It thisP > gets you further, it may be a hint. If you get to the $ sign, you will be in a  > extremely limited environment. > + > You can then try ANA/DISK/REPAIR DKA200:  C OK, I can do it all, and it's the first time I see the $ prompt by  I booting from the HD :) The problem is, when I launch the repair command,   I get the following errors:   9 %RMS-F-BUG, fatal RMS condition detected, process deleted 9 -RMS-F-BUG, fatal RMS condition detected, process deleted   % and the system hangs there once more.   H Because Didier Morandi in a previous post suggested that it could be an ? hardware failure, do you think it could be not just a software  D corruption? I have to say that I can't anyway trying the disk(s) on K another machine, because this is the only one I have that has a SCSI bus :/   Q > If you can't do any of this. I would consider a low level format of your drive. O > At the >>> prompt, use TEST 75 and follow the prompts. Once the disk has been T > reformatted, you can then try again to load the B saveset in the conventional way.I I was wondering if could be a good thing to low-level-format the disk(s)  H anyway when I'll be able to redo the VMS install.. would you suggest it  or not?    Thank you for the hints :)   --      Wise	   O  LYNX   8 GPG key: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.ascA MD5 checksum: http://wiselynx.interfree.it/wiselynx.naima.asc.md5    -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1I GE>$/IT/S d+ s: !a>? C++(+++)>$ U P>+ L++>++++ E--- W++ N ?o ?K w-- ?O ?M G ?V>+ PS+ !PE Y+ PGP+ t- ?5 X- R+(*) tv- b+(++)>+++ DI(++) !D G e++ h!*@  r%>++ y-->+  ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2003 08:03:24 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: OpenVMS and HP Nimbus= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311080803.75d7cfd2@posting.google.com>   3 Anyone know about OpenVMS plans for the HP Nimbus ?     9 http://news.com.com/2100-7784_3-5104611.html?tag=nefd_top      Regards    FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:01:44 +1100: From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OSC Message-ID: <3fac951f$0$95047$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>   	 and regis      --   David McKenzie  7 David.Mckenzie@paradigm-shift.dot.biz  remove the "dot"  OpenVMS IT Privacy and Law   http://www.paradigm-shift.biz 6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:3FABC7B3.4010106@MMaz.com...  > David McKenzie wrote:  >  > >bring back the VT340  > >  > >  > > G > Believe it or not, I kinda liked the old VT125's :-)  Something about H > the heartiness of the keyboard, built in graphics at that time, etc... >  > Barry  >  > --   > @ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2003 09:08:59 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311080908.4d158e56@posting.google.com>    Well    ( When  we will have this under OpenVMS ?   + Click http://www.sun.com/2003-1104/feature/    Regards    FC     "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz> wrote in message news:<3fac951f$0$95047$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>...  > and regis  >  >  > --   > David McKenzie > 9 > David.Mckenzie@paradigm-shift.dot.biz  remove the "dot"  > OpenVMS IT Privacy and Law >  > http://www.paradigm-shift.biz 8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# > news:3FABC7B3.4010106@MMaz.com...  > > David McKenzie wrote:  > >  > > >bring back the VT340  > > >  > > >  > > > I > > Believe it or not, I kinda liked the old VT125's :-)  Something about J > > the heartiness of the keyboard, built in graphics at that time, etc... > > 	 > > Barry  > >  > > --   > > B > > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.comB > > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320B > > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 > >  > >  > >  > >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2003 09:17:44 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)) Subject: Re: [very OT] Matrix Revolutions = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311080917.502fa52d@posting.google.com>    Didier  $ Nemo is a fish ! Wrong movie ! :-))   I By the way ...  it is just a movie ! I just don't try to understand it !  : Or why the frenchmen changed his name from Neo to Nemo ...   Or ..   G Why light sabers stop the ligth in that size  ? Why are they colored ?  ; Why Liam Neeson Qui-Gon died and didnt appear like a ghost   like Alec Guiness's Obi-Wan?F Why the princess is older than Anakin and after 10 years she look like< the same ? Is the same technique of Hans Solo freezing ? ;-)  H Dooku name in portuguese was changed to Dookan, because "do cu" means...> Try using www.altavista.com translator if u are curious. ;-)))       Regards    FC        ] Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fac1385$0$8203$636a55ce@news.free.fr>... ! > Hmmm... just out of the cinema. N > I think that Nemo is Smith's brother and the Oracle is Matrix's wife, which  > would explain  >  > why Nemo has his power# > why the Oracle can see the future ) > why Smith does not succeed to kill Nemo ) > why Nemo does not succeed to kill Smith ? > why Smith calls the Oracle his "mom" before "terminating" her P > why the Oracle has a deal with that old man at the end of the movie ("what do  > you think? I'm not an human") $ > why the Matrix accepts Nemo's deal > $ > (any other forum to discuss that?) >  > D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.620 ************************