1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 10 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 624       Contents:2 A book that explains what is better ultrix or vms.6 Re: A book that explains what is better ultrix or vms.7 Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help ; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help ; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help ; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help < As seen today - WAS: How long until IT employment vanishes ?# Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?  Forcing mail to use Internet. ! Re: Forcing mail to use Internet. ! Re: Forcing mail to use Internet. + Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ? + Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ? + Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ? + Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ? # Re: Image needs to know where it is  Re: IMATION Tapes = Re: is it necessary to dismount any volumes in syshutdwn.com? 3 Re: It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?) , Re: JF Mezei caught trolling with pants down Re: Logging sessions Re: Logging sessions+ Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15 / Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15 ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS ! Re: OT: an example of a modern OS  Re: Performance problem  Re: Performance problem  Plug: txt2pdf 7.0 ( Re: QIO Function code for Telnet device.+ Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade? + Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade?  The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex.- URGENT HELP REQD. : Problem in Ingres session 1 Various printing quetions (/delete and X windows) 5 Re: Various printing quetions (/delete and X windows) . Re: X windows: loading a multi line text field. Re: X windows: loading a multi line text field5 [OT] Definition of Globalization [funny but how true] 9 Re: [OT] Definition of Globalization [funny but how true]   Re: [very OT] Matrix Revolutions  Re: [very OT] Matrix Revolutions  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:26:10 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: "Jeroen M.W. van Dijk" <jmw.vandijk@quicknet.nl>; Subject: A book that explains what is better ultrix or vms. @ Message-ID: <Xns942F69C42EB50jmwvandijkquicknetnl@213.73.255.21>  I Were can I buy this book? Im a OpenVMS guy and I want to learn a little   about Tru64 philosophy.       + Mike Gancarz <mgancarz@excite.com> wrote in 4 news:EEYXa.9735$jg.2594816@news1.news.adelphia.net:    > Announcing.... > ) >           LINUX AND THE UNIX PHILOSOPHY  > + >                A new book by Mike Gancarz 8 >                       now available from Digital Press >  > F >      * It has a fun chapter about Elvis vs. the Stones.  One of them >      is Open  B > Source.  The other belongs in a cathedral.  Can you guess which?G >      * If you think that video is the most powerful medium, read what  >      I have  > to say about text.H >      * The Gandhi quote is very cool, especially when you realize how * > prophetic his statement was about Linux.E >      * It hints at the old VMS-versus-Ultrix battle that took place  >      inside C > Digital for years.  Guess what?  The battle has gone mainstream.  " > Which do you suppose is winning?= >      * You will understand why the Unix philosophy has been  >      persistently F > successful for more than 25 years.  It will continue to be long into
 > the future. H >      * Jon "maddog" Hall has written a powerful foreword for the book.
 >       Man,  D > talk about a giant in the Linux industry. I could tell you stories( > about maddog....but not in this forum. >  > G > ABOUT THE AUTHOR (stuff you won't find on the back cover of the book)  > D > I used to work in Digital's Ultrix Engineering Group at Spit BrookG > Road in Nashua, NH.  While there, I focused on the Unix commands and  H > utilities set.  I wrote the popular chpt(8) command, the tool that letD > you slice and dice Unix partitions to your heart's content.  I wasE > also a member of the original X Window System development team with G > the folks at MIT's Project Athena.  I wrote the "uwm" window manager, G > the first customizable window manager for X.  Later on, I was part of C > the skunk works operation in Hudson, NH that produced the port of 1 > Ultrix to the 64-bit Alpha in less than a year.  > E > In between Nashua and Hudson, I was the senior Ultrix consultant in H > the Atlanta Customer Support Center for 3 years.  Some of you may have> > even spoken with me on the phone.  I hope I was nice to you. >  > E > So that's it.  That's my plug.  Go out and buy the book.  You, too, ; > can then become a Unix guru. (If you're not one already.)  > B > One more thing if you've read this far: This is my first public H > announcement of the book.  That's right.  You read it here first.  You@ > can tell everyone that when they're all talking about the book
 > elsewhere.   > 	 > Cheers,  > Mike Gancarz > H > p.s. Amazon's editorial listing was munged.  The stuff about "CustomerH > Relationship Management" is bogus.  The publisher has been getting on  > them to fix it. <sigh> >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 05:41:49 -0800+ From: toby@telegraphics.com.au (Toby Thain) ? Subject: Re: A book that explains what is better ultrix or vms. = Message-ID: <d6ce4a6c.0311100541.55b9500a@posting.google.com>   ~ "Jeroen M.W. van Dijk" <jmw.vandijk@quicknet.nl> wrote in message news:<Xns942F69C42EB50jmwvandijkquicknetnl@213.73.255.21>...K > Were can I buy this book? Im a OpenVMS guy and I want to learn a little   > about Tru64 philosophy.  >  >  > - > Mike Gancarz <mgancarz@excite.com> wrote in 6 > news:EEYXa.9735$jg.2594816@news1.news.adelphia.net:  >  > > Announcing.... > > + > >           LINUX AND THE UNIX PHILOSOPHY  > > - > >                A new book by Mike Gancarz : > >                       now available from Digital Press > >    Jeroen,   ' You'll find many copies available here: ] http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/BookSearch?ph=2&tn=LINUX+AND+THE+UNIX+PHILOSOPHY&sortby=2    Toby   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:30:33 -0700 , From: kmstoddard@getnet.net (K. M. Stoddard)@ Subject: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help8 Message-ID: <MPG.1a18785455adf91a989680@news.getnet.net>  E I've tried every other avenue for documentation for the Alpha Server  I 1000A 5/500; HP's WEB site seems to be just a circular queue ("...didn't  D find it here?  Go back to the start, I dare you, and come back here  again.")  J Here's my dilema so maybe someone has tread this path before and can tell H me which directions to turn at the forks in the road.  I'm able to boot I my Alpha Server 1000A to the three chevrons (>>>), SHO PAL and find that  I I have a recent version.  SHO DEV and see that the internal CD ROM drive  J (dka400) is present.  I have VAX/VMS OS 6.2 Binaries on the CD ROM.  This H is where I am stranded; I cannot find the STANDALONE BOOT documentation I for booting this CD.  I'm not even sure there is a boot sector on it.  I  I finally (through an Australian URL) found the much refered to but seldom  F available, Install and Upgrade Supplemental Guide, for VAX/VMS OS 6.2.  I Now some of you may be saying, "You can't install 6.2 onto an Alpha."  I  G don't know.  From what I am finding at HP and other WEB sites, you can  J and you can't.  One site says only 7.1 and up will install.  Another says  6.1 and up will install.  F 1) Has anyone successfully installed VAX/VMS OS 6.2 on an Alpha 1000A?F 2) Does anyone know where I might find any documentation on the Alpha G 1000A? (I have some from the now defunct Compaq WEB site but it is not   very thorough.) D 3) Does anyone have documentation or know of such documentation for 6 VAX/VMS OS 6.2 installation from the CD Binaries disc?  / Thank you, in advance for any and all feedback.    K. M.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Nov 2003 14:48:15 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help: Message-ID: <boo8ff$oma$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  8 In message <MPG.1a18785455adf91a989680@news.getnet.net>,0   kmstoddard@getnet.net (K. M. Stoddard) writes:I >Now some of you may be saying, "You can't install 6.2 onto an Alpha."  I G >don't know.  From what I am finding at HP and other WEB sites, you can J >and you can't.  One site says only 7.1 and up will install.  Another says >6.1 and up will install.   F You can't install VAX/VMS anything on a Alpha.  There was an Alpha/VMSN (or may have been AXP/VMS) 6.2 that ran on Alphas, but that's not what you getN on VAX/VMS CD's.  It's likely that the minimum OS level of the 1000A is higherB that 6.2, but moot if you don't have Alpha software to begin with.   >>Dave  < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:47:25 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help+ Message-ID: <boo8du$vfa@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   9 "K. M. Stoddard" <kmstoddard@getnet.net> wrote in message 2 news:MPG.1a18785455adf91a989680@news.getnet.net...  H > 1) Has anyone successfully installed VAX/VMS OS 6.2 on an Alpha 1000A?  C No. If you have VAX binaries, you have the wrong chip architecture. @ I couldn't say offhand, whether Alpha/VMS 6.2 would work or not.  J Also, you are better reading the Alpha installation guide, than a VAX one.B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/6522/6522pro.html is the 7.2H one. It'll certainly be a lot closer to the truth than any VAX document.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 11:52:56 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help3 Message-ID: <EzdsqRcg5aTC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <MPG.1a18785455adf91a989680@news.getnet.net>, kmstoddard@getnet.net (K. M. Stoddard) writes:  > L > Here's my dilema so maybe someone has tread this path before and can tell J > me which directions to turn at the forks in the road.  I'm able to boot K > my Alpha Server 1000A to the three chevrons (>>>), SHO PAL and find that  K > I have a recent version.  SHO DEV and see that the internal CD ROM drive  L > (dka400) is present.  I have VAX/VMS OS 6.2 Binaries on the CD ROM.  This J > is where I am stranded; I cannot find the STANDALONE BOOT documentation K > for booting this CD.  I'm not even sure there is a boot sector on it.  I  K > finally (through an Australian URL) found the much refered to but seldom  H > available, Install and Upgrade Supplemental Guide, for VAX/VMS OS 6.2.  H    You cannot install VAX binaries on an Alpha.  Get the Alpha binaries.  G > Now some of you may be saying, "You can't install 6.2 onto an Alpha."   G    I have had many Alpha running VMS 6.2.  Of course, I wan't using VAX F    binaries.  I'm not sure if a 1000A will run that version, check the    SPD.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:12:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> E Subject: As seen today - WAS: How long until IT employment vanishes ? D Message-ID: <n1Nrb.530$lK1.278@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  
 leslie wrote: - > JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com) wrote:  >> leslie wrote:5 >>>    http://www.vdare.com/roberts/us_china_econ.htm F >>>    09/29/03 - Statement of The Honorable Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D.D >>>    Before the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission >>H >>>    What we are witnessing in part is the loss of a sense of nationalF >>>    identity. Many things have brought about this loss of identity.@ >>>    Open borders, massive immigration of third world peoples,< >>>    attacks on American identity by cultural Marxists and: >>>    post-modernists. Many things are eroding a sense of7 >>>    cohesiveness. A tower of Babel is not a country.  >>$ >> None of that propaganda is right. > C > Roberts' statement is a declaration that "comparative advantage", G > the cornerstone of free trade, is being thwarted by the international & > mobility of factors of production... >  > D >   "...I suggest for your consideration that comparative advantage,G >    which permits free trade to create gains for trading partners, has @ >    been undermined by the international mobility of factors ofA >    production. Instead of sectorial adjustments from changes in C >    competitive conditions, we might be experiencing the flight of C >    factors of production to countries where their productivity is 
 > highest. > G >    Let me explain. The case for free trade is a strong one with which C >    I agree. David Ricardo discovered the principle of comparative F >    advantage and based the case for free trade on this principle. He? >    showed that if countries avoided self-sufficiency, instead D >    specializing in economic activities where they had the greatestE >    advantage or least disadvantage and trading for other goods, the @ >    gains from trade would make each country better off than if% > countries remained self-sufficient.  > E >    For comparative advantage to work, resources within each country F >    must be mobile so they can be reallocated to areas of comparative: >    advantage. However, factors of production must not be? >    internationally mobile; otherwise, they will flow to those A >    countries that possess the greatest absolute advantages. The C >    productivity of factors of production is greatest in countries  > with absolute advantage. > @ >    Historically, there have been barriers to the internationalB >    mobility of factors of production. In Ricardo's time, GDP wasF >    largely determined by climate and geography, neither of which canB >    migrate. In our own time, world socialism served to constrainD >    capital and technology within the first world of North America,F >    Western Europe and Japan where there are not large differences inC >    labor costs. Multinational corporations would have felt unsafe D >    investing in China and India even if they had been permitted by  >    those governments to do so. > E >    The collapse of world socialism has made vast pools of cheap and A >    willing labor in Asia and Mexico available to US capital and ? >    technology. The Internet has made the physical location of = >    employees unimportant for many knowledge and Information > >    Technology jobs. The Internet, out-sourcing, and offshoreF >    production for the home market allow US firms to substitute cheapH >    foreign labor for expensive US labor in their production functions. > $ >    The questions I pose are these: > A >    o  Are the job losses that we are experiencing the result of E >       internationally mobile factors of production flowing to where & >       their productivity is highest? > E >    o  Does the ease with which foreign labor can be substituted for E >       US labor in the production functions of US firms make foreign E >       labor internationally mobile to the US where its productivity 
 > is highest?  > D >    o  Alternatively, does the international mobility of US capitalE >       and technology allow these factors of production to be put to G >       more profitable use in countries with abundant and cheap labor?  > = >    Traditionally, American wages were protected by American = >    productivity. Americans worked with more capital, higher ? >    technology and better education, which made them much more A >    productive than cheaper foreign labor. An American's pay was ' > higher because his output was higher.  > H >    The mobility of capital and technology means an Asian can work withH >    the same capital and technology as the American. However, the AsianG >    does not have to be paid the same wage. He lives in countries with D >    lower costs and standards of living. The large excess supply ofC >    labor in Asian markets means that the market wage is far lower F >    than the value of labor's marginal product or contribution to theF >    firm's revenues. It will be many years before Asian labor marketsD >    tighten to the extent that workers will be paid in keeping with >    their productivity. > > >    In the meantime, will the US continue to bleed jobs, bothH >    manufacturing and knowledge jobs that don't require an on-the-scene >    presence? > E >    Understand that the incentive to substitute foreign for American E >    labor is greatest among high productivity jobs. The hundred-fold E >    difference between $26 dollar an hour US manufacturing wages and D >    25 cents an hour Chinese wages is a great incentive to offshoreE >    production. Hospitals that have their CT scans read in India for 9 >    $20 don't have to hire $300,000 a year radiologists.  > ? >    Understand that when Americans are substituted out of high D >    productivity jobs, by default they move into lower productivityD >    jobs. National income is adversely affected. The US cannot lose> >    its high productivity jobs and remain in the first world. > G >    Understand that foreign hires, outsourcing and offshore production @ >    for US markets add to our trade deficit and are paid for byB >    Americans giving up ownership of assets and the future income& >    streams produced by these assets. >  >    What to do?..." >  > 8 > A career change from IT to biotech may not be prudent: > G >    http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=37377 A >    US Biotech Companies Evince Interest In Outsourcing To India  > G >   "New Delhi:  Andhra Pradesh (AP) government has signed memoranda of A >    understanding (MoU) with the governments of Thailand and the < >    Canadian province of Sasketchwan to give a boost to the > biotechnology industry.  > E >    US biotech companies have also expressed interest in outsourcing C >    work to India, and the latter can also look forward to flow of 1 >    funds from US venture capital funds (VC)..."  >  >  > G > One *MAJOR* difference between the sky that's falling now and the one C > that was going to fall before is the existence of the World Trade * > Organization, which was created in 1995: > 9 >    http://www.globalexchange.org/wto/collier072499.html A >    WTO: U.S. Laws Diluted by Trade Pacts Rulings Stir Criticism  >    across Political Spectrum > 2 >    http://www.theemailactivist.org/FreeTrade.htm >    The Free Trade Myth > C >   "...In summary, then, the WTO is an appointed band of corporate F >    attorneys with the power (and the incentive) to overturn the lawsH >    of democratically-elected governments.  This is the true essence ofH >    globalization.  Corporations ber Alles!  And as you can see, underE >    these terms, what we've been calling free trade is really forced  >    trade.  > C >    Currently under negotiation (and what caused all the ruckus in C >    Quebec) is the FTAA, the Free Trade Area of the Americas.  The E >    FTAA proposes to extend NAFTA regulations to every nation in the E >    Western Hemisphere except Cuba.  For transnational corporations, @ >    this would represent open season on cheap labor and naturalG >    resources.  No government from northernmost Canada to southernmost E >    Chile would be able to defend its people or its environment from C >    corporate exploitation.  In fact, many of the poorest of these B >    nations will engage in a "race to the bottom," in which theirD >    governments will promise a wide range of tax breaks, near-slaveF >    labor, and even military support to corporations that come in and: > sprinkle a few dollars into the right political coffers. > H >    New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman put it this way:  "In thisF >    post-totalitarian world, the human rights debate needs an update.G >    Quite simply, for many workers around the world, the oppression of H >    the unchecked commissars has been replaced by the oppression of theG >    unregulated capitalists, who move their manufacturing from country D >    to country, constantly in search of those who will work for theD >    lowest wages and lowest standards.  To some, the Nike swoosh is, >    now as scary as the hammer and sickle." > D >    (Click here to learn how globalization creates sweatshops.)..."    L http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031110/RRUB I10/TPBusiness/Columnists   = Manufacturing not the only thing being outsourced by the U.S.    By JEFFREY RUBIN- UPDATED AT 9:11 AM EST  Monday, Nov. 10, 2003     K Ask today's bond market why it is so dismissive of the U.S. Federal Reserve K Board's deflation concerns and you will hear that as long as the economy is J two-thirds services, there is little risk of the price level ever falling.! So far the market has been right.   F Goods inflation in the U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domesticI product deflator, has been negative for the past six years, yet seemingly G rock-solid 3-per-cent inflation in service prices has kept economy-wide K deflation well at bay. But before accepting that argument, take a good long 9 look at what's happening to business services these days.   K While U.S. service inflation is still running around 2.6 per cent annually, J the rate of inflation for business services has plummeted to a record low,J below 1 per cent. The weakness in business service inflation is paralleledJ in services job creation. Growth in service jobs is normally the offset to# declining manufacturing employment.   F But since the 2001 recession, there has been no meaningful recovery inK service sector jobs over the past seven quarters of GDP growth, in contrast L to the three million service-sector jobs created over the same period duringL the 1991-92 recovery. At the same time, real wages in the service sector are? growing by only 1 per cent, their smallest increase since 1996.   E Neither trend is particularly comforting when you consider the recent J deflationary chronology of Japan. It took almost two years after the onsetJ of goods-sector deflation before service prices began to fall. Since then,I however, price movements in Japan's service sector have mimicked those in 4 goods, which have now fallen for nearly seven years.  J While that hasn't happened yet in the U.S. economy, the ability of serviceA inflation to buffer the economy from goods deflation has steadily H diminished. The post-Second World War U.S. economy has experienced threeH deflationary periods for goods prices (1954, 1986 and today). In each ofJ these instances, services inflation has kept the price level from falling.  G But the buffer has narrowed from almost a 5-percentage-point difference D between goods and services inflation in the mid-1950s to less than a 3-percentage-point gap today.   K The recent decline in service inflation stems almost entirely from business H services, in sharp contrast to personal services, whose prices are stillJ rising at more than a 3-per-cent rate. American consumers aren't likely toJ go offshore for a haircut or a root canal, but that's precisely where moreB and more American businesses are now outsourcing their informationI technology needs. As they do, global pricing pressures begin to exert the H same deflationary pull on U.S. service prices as they have on U.S. goods prices.   L From telemarketing to data entry to accounting, business service outsourcingJ is growing by leaps and bounds, with annual growth close to 10 per cent inJ the United States. And increasingly in today's wired world, outsourcing isI going offshore, much in the same fashion and for the same reasons that so ? much manufacturing activity has migrated from the U.S. economy.   J Pretty soon that call centre in New Brunswick will be in New Delhi. And itL won't be long before data processing follows suit. Just as China is becomingG the world's factory, India is rapidly becoming the world's back office, G drawing upon a highly educated and largely English-speaking population.   I Like China's advantage in goods production, India's advantage in services L emanates from labour costs that are a fraction of those in North America. AnK MBA in India with three years working experience will make $12,000 (U.S.) a 2 year, compared with $100,000 in the United States.  J Similarly, a computer programmer in India can expect to make $8,000 a yearL compared with $70,000 stateside. And India is by no means alone. Russia, theK Philippines, South Africa, Mexico and even Canada have been recipients of a K good share of U.S. business service outsourcing. (Prior to the recent runup I in the loonie, a good deal of U.S. corporate data processing was diverted  north of the border.)   L The offshore outsourcing market in service is still in its infancy, althoughK its deflationary effect is already being felt. An estimated 450,000 IT jobs A were lost in the United States over the past two years -- a major K contributor to the recent lack of job creation in the services sector. Some C industry forecasts predict that as many as another 600,000 business L service-sector jobs will leave the U.S. economy over the next four years, as4 more and more firms move their IT operations abroad.  C Not only will that continue to weigh against the growth of services F employment, but it will sack one of the few remaining sanctuaries that domestic inflation has left.  L Jeffrey Rubin is chief economist and chief strategist at CIBC World Markets.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:22:45 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis), Subject: Re: DECwindows screen on an XP box?. Message-ID: <booe0l$b87$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes in article <sSpBeQ1wTOmb@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 7 Nov 2003 19:00:54 -0600: ^ >In article <boh8e0$f07$3@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:K >> No, it's because neither VMS nor XP will run Xvnc.  Xvnc is an X display O >> server which is also a VNC server.  It serves a virtual X display to VMS (or M >> any X-windows based computer) and then makes that available to VNC clients  >> via the VNC protocol.    ? >I guess I'm not clear on the distinction between Xvnc and the  ? >the windows desktop displayed via Xwindows (DECWindows) on my   >VMS box with vncclient.  L Using the Windoze vncserver and the VMS vncviewer (client), you can sit downH at your Alpha console and do stuff on your PC.  The entire PC desktop isK visible inside one big DECwindows app.  Anything you do from the VMS end is * visible on the PC monitor, and vice-versa.  H Xvnc lets you go the other way -- have a DECwindows session running on aJ virtual X display and view/control it from one big PC application window. G So if you've got a wireless laptop you can use EVE from your back deck. H And it's a virtual X server, so it is completely independent of whateverK you're doing on the VMS console (although you can use the VMS vncviewer to  % connect to that session if you want).   K Looking back, I only mentioned one of the reasons I like this setup -- that 7 the VMS session survives a PC reboot.  Here are 3 more:   J * The mousewheel works in Mozilla (off-the-shelf) and EVE (you set up).  I) have example TPU code if anyone needs it.   J * You can use DECwindows without a VMS-compatible graphics card.  (This is* also true if you use a PC-based X server.)  H * You can connect to the same session from different places, which makesC your session portable, like VTA devices with the "connect" command.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:09:10 +0100 % From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> & Subject: Forcing mail to use Internet.. Message-ID: <boo5ms$o5g$1@info.service.rug.nl>  6 We want to move our users mailboxes to another system.@ In order to prevent that mail still arrives in the old mailboxesF (which many people will never read) we want to force the use of the=20 internet protocol.E It looks like the MAIL$INTERNET_MODE logical name can be used for it, H when defined as SMTP, however, it seems to work only if an @ symbol is = usedE in the mail address. We want it to apply to all addresses, even those  without node name. Is this possible?    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Nov 03 08:05:38 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com * Subject: Re: Forcing mail to use Internet.( Message-ID: <2kQ8CZTd$wrx@cpva.saic.com>  . In article <boo5ms$o5g$1@info.service.rug.nl>,(  "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes:8 > We want to move our users mailboxes to another system.B > In order to prevent that mail still arrives in the old mailboxesE > (which many people will never read) we want to force the use of the  > internet protocol.G > It looks like the MAIL$INTERNET_MODE logical name can be used for it, H > when defined as SMTP, however, it seems to work only if an @ symbol is > usedG > in the mail address. We want it to apply to all addresses, even those  > without node name. > Is this possible?      MAIL> help set forw/user   SET-SHOW  	   FORWARD   	     /USER              /USER=user-name   E        Indicates the name of another user for whom you are setting or D        showing a forwarding address. You can use the /USER qualifierH        only if you have SYSNAM privilege. With the SHOW FORWARD command,F        there are two ways to show a user's forwarding address: you canF        specify the user name or you can use the wildcard characters (*D        or %) to search for names with a particular string in common.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:27:38 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)* Subject: Re: Forcing mail to use Internet.1 Message-ID: <03111010273851@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Fred Zwarts writes: 8 > We want to move our users mailboxes to another system.B > In order to prevent that mail still arrives in the old mailboxesE > (which many people will never read) we want to force the use of the  > internet protocol.G > It looks like the MAIL$INTERNET_MODE logical name can be used for it, H > when defined as SMTP, however, it seems to work only if an @ symbol is > usedG > in the mail address. We want it to apply to all addresses, even those  > without node name. > Is this possible?     
 One way...   Use the following command:   $ mail7 MAIL> SET FORWARD /USER=user smtp%"joe.user@domain.com"    And do this for all your users.   H To determine all your users use the the VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA file - thisM contains a list of VMS mail users.  Do not TYPE it, use EDIT or a DCL command G file to read it.  The username is the first field (fairly large field).   I The VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA can be relocated by the VMSMAIL_PROFILE logical.          J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:04:06 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ?2 Message-ID: <Xt-dnWYcupD7pTKi4p2dnA@metrocast.net>  8 "leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message2 news:J8Grb.26373$PH6.3549@twister.austin.rr.com...- > JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com) wrote:  > : leslie wrote: 7 > : >    http://www.vdare.com/roberts/us_china_econ.htm H > : >    09/29/03 - Statement of The Honorable Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D. Before? > : >    the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission  > : J > : >    What we are witnessing in part is the loss of a sense of nationalH > : >    identity. Many things have brought about this loss of identity. OpenH > : >    borders, massive immigration of third world peoples, attacks onI > : >    American identity by cultural Marxists and post-modernists. Many L > : >    things are eroding a sense of cohesiveness. A tower of Babel is not a  > : >    country.  > : % > : None of that propaganda is right.  > C > Roberts' statement is a declaration that "comparative advantage", G > the cornerstone of free trade, is being thwarted by the international & > mobility of factors of production...  F That may well be true, in the rest of the article.  But that in no wayL alters the fact that the portion that JF responded to above is bigotry, pure and simple.l  J The U.S. was founded by and has always thrived on the basis of immigrationJ and diversity, and the lines engraved at the base of the Statue of Liberty
 reflect this.r   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:44:45 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ?) Message-ID: <3FAF41C4.C84E06B1@istop.com>a  
 leslie wrote:tK >    Traditionally, American wages were protected by American productivity.yE >    Americans worked with more capital, higher technology and better I >    education, which made them much more productive than cheaper foreign G >    labor. An American's pay was higher because his output was higher.d    J I disagree. American wages were higher because of lack of competition fromI other countries. Lack of competition was either natural (transportation ,rP telecom costs, or lack of technology elsewhere), or artificial (trade barriers).  N It is the removal of telecom costs as a barrier that has allowed the moving of IT jobs to India.e    G And in terms of productivity, I have a feeling that many countries have E statistics that may be misleading with regards to their productivity.x  G American farmers are some of the most subsidized in the world. CanadianlJ subsidiaries of US car makers have higher productivity than their americanM counterparts. The US steel industry isn't exactly the most competitive in the L world. And when you consider how much the USA spends on military, as well asK excess spending on health (compared to other nations), it is hard to really 5 think that the USA could have such high productivity.o  M Of course, if you consider individual productivity, perhaps it is true that aiM worker in the USA will physically produce more than a worker in China. But in]L terms of employee costs, it still cost less to produce widgets in China even: if it requires 10 workers in china versus 1 worker in USA.  K >    Currently under negotiation (and what caused all the ruckus in Quebec)-I >    is the FTAA, the Free Trade Area of the Americas.  The FTAA proposes J >    to extend NAFTA regulations to every nation in the Western Hemisphere >    except Cuba.h  M I think that they were refering to the WTO meeting in Qubec City, as opposed1: to the province of Qubec having problems with free trade.  J Interesting example of the effect of free trade: the day after the initialL free trade agreement came into effect between canada and USA (before NAFTA),F Gilette announced it was closing its canadian manufacturing plants andJ shifting production to their existing USA plants, even though the canadianK plants were more productive and profitable. This was politically motivated.u    J >    open season on cheap labor and natural resources.  No government fromJ >    northernmost Canada to southernmost Chile would be able to defend its< >    people or its environment from corporate exploitation.   H Some california firm sued "Canada" because our environmental laws didn'tG permit their fuel additive to be inserted into the fuel supplied to gasiN stations. They claimed that Canada was imposing an illegal trade barrier. (andB in the USA, that company had to be very friedly to the EPA and the5 then-current government to get their EPA permission).s   > In fact, manyhK >    of the poorest of these nations will engage in a "race to the bottom,".H >    in which their governments will promise a wide range of tax breaks,  M Don't need to go that far. Look what happened when Boeing asked for bids fromaI cities willing to host Boeing's new hearquarters. Cities fought in a veryuJ similar ways to cities fighting to win the olympics. Chicago won, and yes,3 Boeing got tons of goodies from the city and state.i    J The problem with free trade is that it is hard for a nation to admit isn'tN isn't as competitive in a particular field. Argriculture is a good example. USK and Europe very heavily subsidize their farmers, and export their goods areo, artificially low prices. What'S the impact ?  J In africa, you can obtain cheap US/Europe wheat. The local farmers are notK able to produce the wheat at that price and go bankrupt, further depressingnK their economies. This is a case of US tax money hurting developping nationsHI instead of helping them. It is also a case of a USA-Europe battle that istI hurting the rest of the world (Other wheat producing countries, includingoK Canada and Australia have loudly complained about the effects of that "war"  between Europe and USA.i    M The problem is that "capitalism" doesn't quite exist in its pure form. Tryingp, to apply pure capitalism rules doesn't work.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:41:33 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i4 Subject: Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ?D Message-ID: <xsNrb.696$lK1.598@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:u+ > At 06:48 AM 11/9/2003, Chris Moore wrote: 5 >> "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message ? >> news:6.0.0.22.2.20031109062837.01e69908@raptor.psccos.com... , >>> The sky is falling!  The sky is falling! >>>t >>4 >> Except this time Chicken Little is probably right > ! > Maybe, but I STRONGLY doubt it.r > G > Look, I've heard all this before.  In the late '70's, code generators F > were going to replace programmers.  We were all going to be out of a" > job in a matter of 4 or 5 years. >vE > In the 80's, mainframe programmers were an endangered species.  AllBF > main- frames were going to be in the junkyard, never to be replaced,# > in a matter of a couple of years.  >tG > By the mid 80's, COBOL programmers might as well look for other work,cF > nobody's going to use COBOL any more.  Or FORTRAN, either; all thoseF > jobs were going to go to people who could write in ADA, because that+ > language was going to replace all others.y >kG > VMS was going to die in the late 80's.  Oops, make that the mid 90's. 7 > OK, the late 90's.  It'll definitely be gone by 2003.  >tH > Everything is going to be UNIX by 1990.  Nothing else will ever have a; > chance to unseat THEM.  Everybody else better learn UNIX.  >aD > Everything is going to be Windows by 2000.  Nothing else will everD > have a chance to unseat THEM.  Those LINUX guys are just dreaming. > C > Given time, I could come up with lots of other "certainties" thate= > never came to pass, regarless of the hysterical (or solemn)r > proclamations of the pundits.e >tG > I'll grant you, there's a certain, but LIMITED, class of IT jobs thattG > probably could be done from India (or whatever country you can name).bD > But for every company who thinks that, I can find you two who know? > that can't work for their IT jobs.  I can also say with greatSG > certainty that no company I've ever worked for in my 25+ years in theaD > business (nearly all major players in the business), would ever be, > able to outsource their IT stuff overseas.    L My personal experience with outsourced projects has been as a close observerK on approximately 10 projects that were done by Tata and Infosys for severaleE North American financial institutions. None were completed on-time orfH on-budget, and it's not as though they 'just missed' their targets by anJ eyelash. These projects did not have 'scope creep' injected into them, nor7 mamagement imposed delays/re-assessments along the way.   H In all cases, the projects as-delivered at the agreed-upon delivery dateK were poorly coded, offered poor performance, and on average took an averagenL of 18 additional months of effort to correct the deficiencies. Most of theseJ projects ended up costing more than 2x the original bid price. Most of theH problems that I was concerned about were breakdown in communications andK poor understanding of the businesses being developed for by the development6 supervisors in India.e  H Overall cost savings vs. original North American bidders on the jobs wasI negligible if any, however, to be fair, that doesn't mean to say that therG North American developers would have necessarily been able to deliver ae: high-quality product on the original delivery date either.  L I expect that companies who outsource are playing a probabilities game - theB game that says 'our costs to outsource offshore will be lower thanK outsourcing in North America even if we go over budget'. My counter to that"I is while with all outsourcing there is a loss of knowledge and experienceaG internal to your organization, it is far better to outsource locally in L terms of retaining business knowledge within your organization and to have aH responsive partner in fixing problems. And it's easier to find 'Dave' orF 'Bill' if you want to hire them later after they quit your outsourcingH contractor (the key developers on your outsourced project) than it is toF find Aggerwal or Dilip whose hometown is a village without a telephone halfway around the world.4   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:54:33 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>.4 Subject: Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ?' Message-ID: <3FAFB4B9.5020908@MMaz.com>o   Duncan Macdonald wrote:o  N >Many people who have VMS experience are now finding it difficult to get jobs. >    >cG Only for those that insist on keeping their head buried in the ground, aC singing LA-LA-LA, Only-VMS, Only-VMS, Only-VMS, we are Homogeneous!.    E Anyone that is on a career track that expects to find a shop that is GF only VMS, or that the only work that they must do is on VMS machines, H are delusional.  Various skills sets are a must, and that requires that G you look beyond the old yester-years of Digital and stop whining about t@ how PC's own the desktop, Windows the file/printer serving, and G Unix/Linux the Internet infrastructure even though VMS is better, more o) secure, more reliable, more dependable...     B VMS is the best, but it is not even on the radar screen as far as D seats/services deployed as a percentage of market.  That is why you G cannot find jobs that focus on VMS, it doesn't require a phd in rocket R< sciences to know that, and that this train-wreck has been a $ work-in-process for the past decade!     Barry    -- a  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        e   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:35:54 +0000 (UTC)r, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis), Subject: Re: Image needs to know where it is. Message-ID: <boolqa$482$2@newslocal.mitre.org>  { JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes in article <3FAD74F0.D4E51224@istop.com> dated Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:58:08 -0500: N >What are the different ways for an image to find out in which directory it is	 >stored ?r  K You can use LIB$GETJPI to get the JPI$_IMAGNAME field, which I think is thes( full filespec of the executable image.     I'm just full of answers today.t  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:56:19 -0700a+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: IMATION Tapes' Message-ID: <3FAFB523.7000709@MMaz.com>-   Anonymous wrote:  F >Anyone using the IMATION DLT IV, SDLT and LTO tapes and what has been >your experience... Good, Bad??  >gC >Sorry to post in this manner, but management requested I post this0F >anonymously -- they don't want HP to know we might be shopping aroundH >for a less expensive solution-- just yet....  We have calculated a costB >savings of 20K+ a year. But, we also know that magnetic media hasF >different life spans depending on the vendor.  A cost savings doesn'tH >become reality unless the quality is as good or better than the product >being replaced. >o >  i >lI Imation is 3M, good quality, remember the old 9-track Blackwatch tapes?  >I Anyway, you can't go wrong with them and besides, HP doesn't make tape!!!c   Barryr   -- e  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:03:33 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)F Subject: Re: is it necessary to dismount any volumes in syshutdwn.com?- Message-ID: <boojtl$bs$1@newslocal.mitre.org>h   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <bojose$pf5$1@online.de> dated Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:57:34 +0000 (UTC):aG >Of course, all locally mounted disks will eventually get dismounted.  e7 >Still, would it be better to explicitly dismount them?   K Here's a cluster situation where I found that helpful:  Each cluster membereK has its own node$SCRATCH1 disk, and there's a searchlist ALL$SCRATCH1 which G points to them all.  All disks are mounted to all nodes.  If NODEA goessI down and somebody on NODEB does a "DIR ALL$SCRATCH1:[dir]", the directorye9 command hangs when it gets to NODEA$SCRATCH1.  So I have  1 "DISM/CLUS/OVER=CHECK SCRATCH1" in SYSHUTDWN.COM.a  F Basically any time when you'd rather get a quick "invalid device name"G message than hang waiting for the node to come back so the mount-verifys could complete.   H >What about disks on other nodes served by MSCP?  Should one explicitly  >dismount them?l   No need (IMHO).a  = >What about shadow sets where all members are on other nodes?s  L Yes, especially if these shadow sets tend to rebuild when you reboot a node.  H >What about shadow sets where some but not all members are on the local  >node?  F If the node is going to be down for longer than SHADOW_MBR_TMO, it's aK no-brainer.  Remove the local members from the shadow set.  If it's a quickiL reboot and having the shadow member hang is less of a problem than having it rebuild, leave it.  @ >What about shadow sets where all members are on the local node?  - Same as the local non-shadowed disk, I think.t  E >What about non-system disks being used for page and/or swap files?  ,F >Should one deinstall the page/swap files before doing the dismount?  I >Should one deinstall the page/swap files even if one doesn't explicitly   >dismount the disk?n  J There's a way to deinstall pagefiles??  (Checks SYSGEN doc, yes there is.)L IMHO, doing this on a routine basis is likely to cause more problems than itC solves.  For example, if you're frustrated by a memory leak and are K rebooting as a last resort, removing pagefiles will make the memory problemu worse.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:55:17 +0100b$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>< Subject: Re: It works (was: DECwindows screen on an XP box?): Message-ID: <bong96$1f7q8h$1@ID-201992.news.uni-berlin.de>  $ "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote: > yeah. I found and installed Hummingbird's eXceed (64 MB)! > It works fine, but when typing:  >s8 > DTL02> set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=192.168.0.2 > DTL02> mc DECW$STARTLOGINd >iK > I got an *awful* HUGE red compaq logo right in the middle of my laptop PCt :-( L > No, I need to datamine the hoffaq(TM) to remember how to give up with that loginn4 > picture and put a nice (blue) !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! one. >lH You can ven go further and use XDMCP to login to the VMS box and use the
 full VMS CDE.tG Check the TCP/IP  and the Hummingbird Exceed - Docs on how to configure  XDMCP.: XDMCP is widely available, I use it to start X-sessions on VMS/Solaris/L**X/AIX and have the display on my PC. Peterc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:30:49 +0100i From: Anders <dud@nilsson.com>5 Subject: Re: JF Mezei caught trolling with pants downt' Message-ID: <3FAF76E9.378C@nilsson.com>    Nomen Nescio wrote:i > - > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:i >  > >"Jorge R. Frank" wrote:N > >> Apparently because JF Mezei ran out of Star Trek pseudonyms. I don't know* > >> why he bothers; we all know it's him. > > Q > >Your message have been brought to my attention. First of all, I do not know ifrO > >you are using a royal "we" of if you officially represent some group who are M > >out to insult selected people even after they have left "your" newsgroup ?b > >dO > >I do not know why or why you would want to attribute some anonymous posts to O > >me.  My IP addess begins with 66. But my ISP uses a proxy to access the newsqM > >server operated by Sympatico. In case you didn't know, Sympatico is a very Q > >large ISP in Canada, so just because my posts appear to be from Sympatico, youb" > >cannot assume it comes from me. > K > Yeah, right, they must be coming from the same disembodied entity who hashI > posted hundreds of rabid anti-American trolls in other groups under theaK > colorful names below.  It's amazing how they manage to "forge" (according0K > to you) EVERY single detail of your headers so perfectly.  Even the partseK > that can't be forged because they are added by the ISP AFTER the post hasc; > been sent and can't be altered.  Must be powerful ghosts!  > K > It's unbelieveable how you can continue to deny it, even when you've been M > caught out.  But then, what would one expect from an adult baby  whose mind J > is still obsessed with sexual stuff that most teenagers have outgrown byM > the time they leave high school.  Just witness where your mind dwells basedt? > on the trolling aliases you've used recently in other groups:  > # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> % > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>f" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>n! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>d' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>T& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>p > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>c# > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>:" > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> ' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>e& > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org>) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>p > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>a! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>c) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>r( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>a* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>'' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>e( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>e$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>$ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>p) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>r* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>  > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>n) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>,' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>r& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org> > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>p > etc.     Absolutely disgusting!   /Anderso -- .7 Remove the obvious part before replying by mail please!t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:00:12 +0100 $ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at> Subject: Re: Logging sessionsd: Message-ID: <bongii$1f3tck$1@ID-201992.news.uni-berlin.de>  0 "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wroteK > Is there a way to log the sessions by default, like SET HOST/LOG etc... ?nI > I am saying in the first login for some specific accounts, like SYSTEM,e FIELD,etc... > ; There is a very good commercial product available for that. ( OpenVMS System Detective by PointSecure. http://www.pointsecure.com/s Peter.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:17:08 GMT0" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Logging sessionsy0 Message-ID: <00A28AE3.204DD644@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <bongii$1f3tck$1@ID-201992.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at> writes:i >v1 >"Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wroteoL >> Is there a way to log the sessions by default, like SET HOST/LOG etc... ?J >> I am saying in the first login for some specific accounts, like SYSTEM,
 >FIELD,etc...  >>< >There is a very good commercial product available for that.) >OpenVMS System Detective by PointSecure.  >http://www.pointsecure.com/ >Peter  6 There's an even *better* commercial product available:   http://www.legacy-2000.com/l  ... and ...- http://www.legacy-2000.com/Products/audit.htm    -- aL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            l5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:30:29 -0800. From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (Dieter  Ro?bach)4 Subject: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15= Message-ID: <e1d40caf.0311100630.21703599@posting.google.com>n   VMS 7.3-1, all current Patches Oracle 9.0.1   System 1: DS10, 512MB Memory System 2: DS15, 1024MB Memoryv  ; I did  abackup/image from all DS10 disks to the DS15 disks.tB When I start Oracle on the DS15, is dies with this wunderful, self	 explaning9@ ORA-3113 message, "end-of-file on communication channel" with no additional logs.D The only difference between the two installations is: the DS15 has aF 1Ghz processor and twice the memory, with results in larger values for$ almost all of the sysgen parameters.4 Everything else like JAVA, SAMBA, OpenORB work fine.  . I tried to ask google, but got no help at all.  ? I spend almost all saturday and sunday on that problem, without  success.E What is wrong and how do I force the Oracle installation on my systemd- to tell me more about reason of that failure?e   Regards    Dieter Rossbachm   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:30:19 GMTa9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>f8 Subject: Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15. Message-ID: <3FAFD7A4.1C88E19@eps.zko.dec.com>  " I'd triple-check the simple stuff:* Definitions for ORACLE_HOME and ORACLE_SID( File ownership (redo SET FILE.OWN=...? )< Are you trying to connect locally (BEQ) or through tnsnames?H set watch file/cla=major (first on a working box to see what to expect).G TNSnames.ora/listener.ora (fix the node names to match the new system).s! Anything in the Oracle Alert log?t6 Is the Oracle image in the rigth directory, accesible?5 Play oracle: open up [dbs]initxxx.ora... is it there?'6 Next, follow links to control files... are they there?    
 Good luck,                 Hein.h     Dieter Ro?bach wrote:l    > VMS 7.3-1, all current Patches > Oracle 9.0.1 >i > System 1: DS10, 512MB Memory > System 2: DS15, 1024MB Memoryc > = > I did  abackup/image from all DS10 disks to the DS15 disks.rD > When I start Oracle on the DS15, is dies with this wunderful, self > explaningrB > ORA-3113 message, "end-of-file on communication channel" with no > additional logs.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 08:08:31 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS3 Message-ID: <Lo4X$IbrajAG@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  U In article <3FABC7B3.4010106@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:d > David McKenzie wrote:e > H > Believe it or not, I kinda liked the old VT125's :-)  Something about H > the heartiness of the keyboard, built in graphics at that time, etc...  G    Somewhere I have a no-glare screen that fit onto the face of a VT100hH    tube.  Every time I pick it up I find it's a lot smaller than I thinkG    I could have found usefull.  And yes, it's too small for the VT340 IS    have.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 08:12:17 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS3 Message-ID: <OT1k0I3vIfyl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <f30679fb.0311080908.4d158e56@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > Well e > * > When  we will have this under OpenVMS ?  > - > Click http://www.sun.com/2003-1104/feature/e  F    As has been posted here several times, a group of folks are workingB    on the OpenOffice port.  That's the most important part of thisF    "feature".  Mail GUI enhancements would be nice, and have also been    discussed here.  5    When are you going to help the OpenOffice porters?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:58:40 -0700S+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>a* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS' Message-ID: <3FAFB5B0.2010008@MMaz.com>h   Fabio Cardoso wrote:   >Well  >l) >When  we will have this under OpenVMS ? a >n, >Click http://www.sun.com/2003-1104/feature/ >  >  f > G You never will, VMS has been out of the W/S vertical too long, HP will -C never return to it and therefore you'll never see apps migrated or   created for it...@     Barry.   -- i  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:00:46 -0700>+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>e* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS' Message-ID: <3FAFB62E.3000306@MMaz.com>s   Bob Koehler wrote:  V >In article <3FABC7B3.4010106@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: >  e >a >>David McKenzie wrote:  >>H >>Believe it or not, I kinda liked the old VT125's :-)  Something about H >>the heartiness of the keyboard, built in graphics at that time, etc... >>     >> >yH >   Somewhere I have a no-glare screen that fit onto the face of a VT100I >   tube.  Every time I pick it up I find it's a lot smaller than I thinkoH >   I could have found usefull.  And yes, it's too small for the VT340 I	 >   have.u >  r >tF Is it one of those nylon mesh overlays that attract so much does that H you can't see the screen after six months, and you can clean unless you G take apart the tube again?  Yes, I remember those...  You'd also crank o5 up the brightness all the way, burning the screens...c   Barry    -- s  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        e   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 11:55:10 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o* Subject: Re: OT: an example of a modern OS3 Message-ID: <8avVUpyjWh9t@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  U In article <3FAFB62E.3000306@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:uH > Is it one of those nylon mesh overlays that attract so much does that J > you can't see the screen after six months, and you can clean unless you I > take apart the tube again?  Yes, I remember those...  You'd also crank h7 > up the brightness all the way, burning the screens...e      Mesh?  Mine is solid.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:05:14 +0100Z$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>  Subject: Re: Performance problem: Message-ID: <bongrq$1fpgk3$1@ID-201992.news.uni-berlin.de>  9 "Robert Trawinski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrotet	 > Hi all,  >tJ > When I start Motif application from decterm it works fine. When the same > application starts fromoG > CDE front panel the performance is very bad. Account is the same. Thet" > application is graphic intensive > and memory expensive.nA Looks like the application from CDE's front panel is started as al subprocess.eJ The pagefile quota is a 'job' quota, that means the usage of this quota isE accounted for all processes in the same job (the 'master'-process and ! all its and their subprocesses ).IJ Use the f$getjpi(<pid>,"pgflquota") and f$getjpi(<pid>,"pagfilcnt") to seeG the initial quota and the remaining pages and you'll see, that they arew5 the same for all processes belonging to the same job.n Petert   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 08:13:33 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n  Subject: Re: Performance problem3 Message-ID: <bSrEzGYvqbYZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  i In article <bogea1$d9h$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes:W	 > Hi all,o > K > When I start Motif application from decterm it works fine. When the same   > application starts fromrH > CDE front panel the performance is very bad. Account is the same. The " > application is graphic intensive > and memory expensive.t >  > What's the reason?      CDE.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 01:37:04 -0800) From: info@sanface.com (SANFACE Software), Subject: Plug: txt2pdf 7.0= Message-ID: <bc34cdbe.0311100137.7bbcf124@posting.google.com>e  / We would like to announce txt2pdf 7.0 version. *# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.htmltE txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 scriptaB that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc.t) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO - http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdfm& http://www.sanface.com/pdf/invoice.pdf$ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdft@ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,@ Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version is Visual txt2pdf, a VB GUI.    What's new in this version  A Email support: the possibility to send the produced pdf via emailmF (like pdf attach). You can use a remote smtp site or local sendmail or similar programs. F For every Korean, Japanese, simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese3 font now you can select italic, bold and bolditalic    Test txt2pdf 7.0!f6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 02:43:25 -0800+ From: barmstr3@jaguar.com (Brian Armstrong) 1 Subject: Re: QIO Function code for Telnet device.L= Message-ID: <d4460bcd.0311100243.563e25ed@posting.google.com>   D Many thanks for that, you were spot on, a $assign followed by a read worked perfectly.-   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 03:28:00 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) 4 Subject: Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade?< Message-ID: <a98cd882.0311100328.b90798d@posting.google.com>  F I recently did an upgrade from V7.3-1 to E7.3-2 on a system on which I> have a SYPAGSWPFILES.COM in use, and it seems untouched by the upgrade.   HTH,  	 Bart Zornd  | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<bojpbg$pf5$2@online.de>...( > While searching the archives, I found  > K >           http://groups.google.de/groups?q=%2Bdeinstall+%2Bsypagswpfiles+eK >           group:comp.os.vms&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.os.vms&selm=142i( >           4.276cabeb%40gp.co.nz&rnum=1 >  > Which states > M >    SYPAGSWAPFILES.COM is one of those files which gets replaced by a highertI >    version during an upgrade, and therefore another thing which can gettH >    forgotten during an upgrade, and that is another reason why I would >    prefer not to use it. t > G > It seems that any site-specific files which one is supposed to modifyn@ > should NOT be replaced by a higher version during an upgrade. F > Rather, there should be a .TEMPLATE for those files and that should ! > be replaced during the upgrade.l > 9 > Does anyone have a definitive list of other such files?g > D > Can one at least safely assume that the previous version is there  > after the upgrade?   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)y, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)4 Subject: Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade?. Message-ID: <bool59$482$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <bojpbg$pf5$2@online.de> dated Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:05:36 +0000 (UTC): ' >While searching the archives, I found s >rJ >          http://groups.google.de/groups?q=%2Bdeinstall+%2Bsypagswpfiles+J >          group:comp.os.vms&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.os.vms&selm=142' >          4.276cabeb%40gp.co.nz&rnum=1  >h
 >Which statesa >eL >   SYPAGSWAPFILES.COM is one of those files which gets replaced by a higherH >   version during an upgrade, and therefore another thing which can getG >   forgotten during an upgrade, and that is another reason why I would  >   prefer not to use it.   7 Absolutely wrong.  According to SYPAGSWPFILES.TEMPLATE,   6 $ ! Customers may modify this skeletal file in any way; $ ! necessary to install site-specific page and swap files.d  L To me the phrase "customers may modify" implies that upgrades will not erase their work!i  F >It seems that any site-specific files which one is supposed to modify? >should NOT be replaced by a higher version during an upgrade. 'E >Rather, there should be a .TEMPLATE for those files and that should w  >be replaced during the upgrade.  J Yup.  Although this particular template contains only comments and an EXIT9 statement at the bottom.  Mine has a date of 28-DEC-1989.i  8 >Does anyone have a definitive list of other such files?  I Any .COM file which has a $ in the name (and a very few without) AND doestK not have a corresponding .TEMPLATE file would be a risk to modify.  For theoF record, I recommend using CMS for this, or CVS if you're on the cheap.  C >Can one at least safely assume that the previous version is there   >after the upgrade?b  E I'm not sure about .COM files, but we have a continuing problem with oJ SYS$LIBRARY:DPLI$RTLSHR.EXE from an ECO getting deleted at upgrade time.  : The first time it happened I was glad I had a backup tape!  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2003 23:29:14 -0800l, From: schizam2001@yahoo.com (Joe  the Aroma) Subject: The old DEC complex.,= Message-ID: <2021ed07.0311092329.2a9cb7cc@posting.google.com>l  C I lived in Merrimack NH from 1977-1985 (right by the Nashua, NH DEC D complex site). Does anyone know if it's still there? I miss it, even( though I was *young* during those years.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:59:19 GMTm4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.e/ Message-ID: <bcKrb.160870$e01.573357@attbi_s02>i  l In article <2021ed07.0311092329.2a9cb7cc@posting.google.com>, schizam2001@yahoo.com (Joe  the Aroma) writes:D !I lived in Merrimack NH from 1977-1985 (right by the Nashua, NH DECE !complex site). Does anyone know if it's still there? I miss it, even ) !though I was *young* during those years.v  O The Merrimack campus was taken over in the late 1990's by Fidelity Investments;tL I worked for Fidelity for a number of years, and used to travel regularly toK Merrmiack to work on the VMS machines located there (VMS was - and probably.G still is - a miniscule fraction of the total O/S presence at Fidelity).o  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"nK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' a0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:00:53 GMTn5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)r! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.wL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1011030601390001@user-105n831.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <2021ed07.0311092329.2a9cb7cc@posting.google.com>,r- schizam2001@yahoo.com (Joe  the Aroma) wrote:   D >I lived in Merrimack NH from 1977-1985 (right by the Nashua, NH DECE >complex site). Does anyone know if it's still there? I miss it, eveni) >though I was *young* during those years.e  H There's no HP (former DEC) facility in Merrimack anymore.  There are two sites in Nashua.     -- not-Bob   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 05:25:34 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.w3 Message-ID: <1uXmP2mBJ5fO@eisner.encompasserve.org>1   In article <rdeininger-1011030601390001@user-105n831.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:? > In article <2021ed07.0311092329.2a9cb7cc@posting.google.com>,y/ > schizam2001@yahoo.com (Joe  the Aroma) wrote:o > E >>I lived in Merrimack NH from 1977-1985 (right by the Nashua, NH DEC.F >>complex site). Does anyone know if it's still there? I miss it, even* >>though I was *young* during those years. > J > There's no HP (former DEC) facility in Merrimack anymore.  There are two > sites in Nashua.  D That was what he asked about -- Nashua.  Perhaps 1985 was before the Merrimack facility opened.  B Back a while ago (before Robert lived in New Hampshire), I believeF there was the Spitbrook Road facility and a repurposed shopping centerE near the FAA facility.  Certainly the denizens of the shopping centera* facility are now in the Oracle facilities.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:28:51 -0500c* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.s2 Message-ID: <MOOdnSSU0JU5PTKiRVn-tg@metrocast.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:1uXmP2mBJ5fO@eisner.encompasserve.org...s > In articleA <rdeininger-1011030601390001@user-105n831.dialup.mindspring.com>,37 rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:gA > > In article <2021ed07.0311092329.2a9cb7cc@posting.google.com>,t1 > > schizam2001@yahoo.com (Joe  the Aroma) wrote:i > > G > >>I lived in Merrimack NH from 1977-1985 (right by the Nashua, NH DECLH > >>complex site). Does anyone know if it's still there? I miss it, even, > >>though I was *young* during those years. > > L > > There's no HP (former DEC) facility in Merrimack anymore.  There are two > > sites in Nashua. >'F > That was what he asked about -- Nashua.  Perhaps 1985 was before the > Merrimack facility opened.  # No - IIRC Merrimack opened in 1979.o   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:01:18 -0500b+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>h! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.i8 Message-ID: <2o9vqvknlpsqrgeef2qsei3ocp94h682qe@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:38:35 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  & >> No - IIRC Merrimack opened in 1979. >eM >Whoops - I think I'm remembering when my group went there.  The first groupsy >may have moved in 1978.  N It was open when I joined DEC in October 1978, and it didn't seem as if it had JUST opened...  J I remember when there were some seven DEC facilities in the greater NashuaI area (Nashua, Merrimack and Hudson (NH, not the chip fab in MA)).  IndeedyK there are now only two which continue to have a DEC-heritage presence - thetN software engineering facility on Spit Brook Road in Nashua (where I still am),@ and the software manufacturing facilty on Cotton Road in Nashua.   Stevet   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:38:35 -0500o* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.o2 Message-ID: <5eSdnb9DZ7pwPzKi4p2dnA@metrocast.net>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagev, news:MOOdnSSU0JU5PTKiRVn-tg@metrocast.net...   ...   % > No - IIRC Merrimack opened in 1979.e  L Whoops - I think I'm remembering when my group went there.  The first groups may have moved in 1978.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:49:52 -0500r* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.t2 Message-ID: <p7qdncKJK_8sXDKiRVn-gw@metrocast.net>  8 "Steve Lionel" <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote in message2 news:2o9vqvknlpsqrgeef2qsei3ocp94h682qe@4ax.com...J > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:38:35 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >r( > >> No - IIRC Merrimack opened in 1979. > >cH > >Whoops - I think I'm remembering when my group went there.  The first groups > >may have moved in 1978. >iL > It was open when I joined DEC in October 1978, and it didn't seem as if it hade > JUST opened...  F I don't think it opened much earlier, because ISTR that the reason theJ RMS-11 group didn't move there directly from the Mill (but instead spent aJ year in Tewksbury) was that the space wasn't yet ready (and IIRC there wasB only a single building at that time).  The regrettable break-up ofD Engineering out of the Mill (if we ignore the earlier move of 36-bitJ engineering to Marlborough) occurred in mid-1978, with RSX/VMS engineeringL moving to Tewksbury (and then later to Spitbrook) and commercial engineeringK (languages, database, RSTS, ...) and associated product functions moving tooI Merrimack (RT-11 remained in the Mill, and was thus somewhat envied - and.L when the personal computer products came along later, they were based in the Mill as well).   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 03:51:24 -0800& From: smohapatra@hss.hns.com (Sukanta)6 Subject: URGENT HELP REQD. : Problem in Ingres session= Message-ID: <5c75209e.0311100351.7a1240ae@posting.google.com>h   Hi,p  7 I got a error when I was executing some query repeatly.e  C SYSTEM ERROR: II_gettupdesc(2) : Requested 264 bytes from pipe, butb read only 237 bytese  F I think it seems to be  many repetitions of a very large repeat query.F I want to know the deatils why the system is showing this error due to6 the repeat query and what is solution of this problem.   Thanks in advance.     regdsh Sukantaw   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 05:44:34 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: Various printing quetions (/delete and X windows)) Message-ID: <3FAF6BDE.100290FC@istop.com>C  M Is it possible for an image to create a print job that consists of 3 files (a-N prologue, the data file and a trailer), of which only the middle one is marked	 /DELETE ?i  M (eg: have fixed boilerplate prologue and trailer, and a temporary file in theD users's sys$scratch) ?  H (I haven't looked at the sndjbc system service yet. Just wondering about' whether the concept is possible or not.v  I Also, going through some of the dec documenmtation, I have found a rather K extensive print widget for x windows applications.  Is it correct to assume$M that its role is simply to collect parameters and in no way does it help with  the actual printing ?s  M Has anyone used this widget ? Is it worth using or does it offer way too muchoM complexity  and it is better for one to write his own simpler UIl description- of a print dialog ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:00:55 +0100:% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>2> Subject: Re: Various printing quetions (/delete and X windows). Message-ID: <boo57e$o34$1@info.service.rug.nl>  9 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message =h# news:3FAF6BDE.100290FC@istop.com... H > Is it possible for an image to create a print job that consists of 3 = files (aH > prologue, the data file and a trailer), of which only the middle one =	 is marked  > /DELETE ?B >=20J > (eg: have fixed boilerplate prologue and trailer, and a temporary file = in the > users's sys$scratch) ? >=20F > (I haven't looked at the sndjbc system service yet. Just wondering = aboute) > whether the concept is possible or not.t  H The HELP for the PRINT command tells us that the /DELETE qualifier can =
 be appliedH to only one of the files. Since the PRINT command also uses the sndjbc = system service0 I think it must be possible with sndjbc as well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:08:22 +0100 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> 7 Subject: Re: X windows: loading a multi line text field0/ Message-ID: <bonkia$sbe$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>.   JF Mezei wrote:)M > Ok, I get counted strings for each record. I need to load a multi line textg > field (scrolledtext).c > M > For this, I need to take the descriptor, generate a null terminated string,tN > and then convert that null terminated string to an XmString for input to the; > routine that then loads the scrolled field in the window.e >   , Maybe I don't uderstand your problem, but...  @ Because you use scrolledText (I guess xmTextWidgetClass widget, D XmCreateScrolledText etc) you don't need to convert null terminated 5 string to XmString. Just use XmTextSetString routine.      Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:36:19 -0500b* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Re: X windows: loading a multi line text fieldA) Message-ID: <3FAF5BE4.1EBF8BD9@istop.com>C   Robert Trawinski wrote: A > Because you use scrolledText (I guess xmTextWidgetClass widget,nE > XmCreateScrolledText etc) you don't need to convert null terminatedv7 > string to XmString. Just use XmTextSetString routine.d  J Yeah, you're right. In the end, I have opted to read the whole file into aI single buffer, put a null at at the end and then feed it to TextSetString,% (which will make a new copy of this).o  E This is likely to be done many times during a single image activationtN (browsing a library module) so I am a bit concerned about memory leaks since XG seems to want to allocate things left and right, and I haven't seen anyr# documentation on what happens when:c  M you have a 64 k string loaded into the scrolled text widget, and then you use K XmSetString to load a 4k string to it. Does the 64k get freed ? Does the 4kcJ just re-used the first 4k of the 64 buffer ? or does the 64k get lost (not% freed) and a new 4 k buffer created ?o  M (for now, this is read only so not concerned about adding text via keyboard).o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:41:57 -0600c( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)> Subject: [OT] Definition of Globalization [funny but how true]1 Message-ID: <03111009415710@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>c   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 9 Question: What is the truest definition of Globalization?l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~n Answer: Princess Diana's death.f ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~m Question: How come?  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Answer:eJ An English princess with an Egyptian boyfriend crashes in a French tunnel,N driving a German car with a Dutch engine, driven by a Belgian who was drunk onK Scottish whisky, (check the bottle before you change the spelling) followedoM closely by Italian Paparazzi, on Japanese motorcycles, treated by an AmericannJ doctor, using Brazilian medicines! And this is sent to you by an American,L using Bill Gates' technology, and you're probably reading this on one of theO IBM clones, that use Taiwanese-made chips, and a Korean-made monitor, assemblediM by Bangladeshi workers in a Singapore plant, transported by lorries driven by H Indians, hijacked by Indonesians, unloaded by Sicilian longshoremen, and  trucked by Mexican illegals..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~g       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*ne VMS Systems Administratort* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 11:56:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)aB Subject: Re: [OT] Definition of Globalization [funny but how true]3 Message-ID: <TBaGUhcwPW2X@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <03111009415710@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:   > transported by lorries s  H    Nope.  If someone tried to deliver it by lorry they'd have had a hard    time holding their breath.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:20:18 +0000o* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>) Subject: Re: [very OT] Matrix Revolutions ' Message-ID: <bononf$hcd$1@lore.csc.com>m   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Didier > % > Nemo is a fish ! Wrong movie ! :-))  > J > By the way ...  it is just a movie ! I just don't try to understand it !< > Or why the frenchmen changed his name from Neo to Nemo ...   While we're here...o  E In "Finding Nemo", I trust I don't give too much away by saying it isnF based geographically in Australia, and in the search, Nemo's dad comesH across an address written on a divers facemask in New South Wales (NSW),* only we first see it onscreen upside down.   A case of "product placement"?  	 ...MSN...i   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencess nclews at csc dot comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:28:21 +0000a- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>y) Subject: Re: [very OT] Matrix RevolutionsV8 Message-ID: <eftuqvc0k7vf8t9p2gg3lgm38a3mmjte60@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:20:18 +0000, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:   >Fabio Cardoso wrote:e >> r	 >> Didiere >> r& >> Nemo is a fish ! Wrong movie ! :-)) >> uK >> By the way ...  it is just a movie ! I just don't try to understand it !a= >> Or why the frenchmen changed his name from Neo to Nemo ...o >s >While we're here... >tF >In "Finding Nemo", I trust I don't give too much away by saying it isG >based geographically in Australia, and in the search, Nemo's dad comeseI >across an address written on a divers facemask in New South Wales (NSW), + >only we first see it onscreen upside down.n >l >A case of "product placement"?n >o
 >...MSN...  H Given it was made by Pixar, a company who famously used a farm of AlphasJ running Linux to render Toy Story, and who still retain Steve Jobs in some4 capacity, I would regard this as highly unlikely ;-)   --  / Our biggest problem is apathy - but who cares? n   Mail john rather than nospam...n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.624 ************************