1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 11 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 625       Contents:; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help ; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help ; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help ; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help ; Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help 3 Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem). ! Re: Forcing mail to use Internet. ! Re: Forcing mail to use Internet. + Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ? + Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ? + Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ? = Re: How to determine how much TAPE-GB is required for DISK-GB  Re: IMATION Tapes  Re: IMATION Tapes = Re: is it necessary to dismount any volumes in syshutdwn.com?  Lexical for Dumpstatus ?' Re: NCL Blocking syntax - help required = Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation / Re: Novell buying Suse, IBM investing in Novell / Re: Novell buying Suse, IBM investing in Novell / Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15 0 Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15. Re: problems with patches + Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade? + Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade?  Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex. Re: The old DEC complex.2 VERITAS NBU OpenVMS v4.5 MP6 release now available VMS Spiffy Text Editors  Re: VMS Spiffy Text Editors   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:29:19 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help8 Message-ID: <gcpvqvk1hk4hoel9piootcsgmeh2tbifr0@4ax.com>  K On 10 Nov 2003 11:52:56 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   > >I'm not sure if a 1000A will run that version, check the SPD.  H 6.1-1H2 or 6.2-1H3 minimum, depending on model.  First full release withE support was 7.1 - http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/supportchart.html I (don't try and simplify that domain, it's not at www.hp.com and their own + search engine turns up the same as Google).   L For the OP, 7.1 is the oldest you can shoot for unless it so happens you canH come by the appropriate hardware release (often only supplied *with* the
 hardware).   --  5 We have standards and expect you not to exceed them.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:04:31 -0700 % From: "Bunki" <kmstoddard@getnet.net> D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help7 Message-ID: <3fafef5a$0$25249$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net>   
 Thanks, John.   : "John Laird" <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message2 news:gcpvqvk1hk4hoel9piootcsgmeh2tbifr0@4ax.com...H > On 10 Nov 2003 11:52:56 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote:  > @ > >I'm not sure if a 1000A will run that version, check the SPD.L I wasn't sure, either, but part of my original request was for documentation leads if anyone knew of any.    J > 6.1-1H2 or 6.2-1H3 minimum, depending on model.  First full release withG > support was 7.1 - http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/supportchart.html K > (don't try and simplify that domain, it's not at www.hp.com and their own - > search engine turns up the same as Google). J THIS is useful.  Up until now, I had no idea HP had a 'h71000.www7' serverJ and their WEB site certainly never mentions it.  Now I have some places to" search for the information I want.   Thanks, again, John    K. M. Stoddard   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:17:40 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help8 Message-ID: <9g30rvgt934ipjmubt0hhtbmhg6q82s38i@4ax.com>  J On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:04:31 -0700, "Bunki" <kmstoddard@getnet.net> wrote:   >Thanks, John.   You're welcome.   ; >"John Laird" <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message 3 >news:gcpvqvk1hk4hoel9piootcsgmeh2tbifr0@4ax.com... I >> On 10 Nov 2003 11:52:56 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org  >(Bob  >> Koehler) wrote: >>A >> >I'm not sure if a 1000A will run that version, check the SPD. M >I wasn't sure, either, but part of my original request was for documentation  >leads if anyone knew of any.    See below...  K >> 6.1-1H2 or 6.2-1H3 minimum, depending on model.  First full release with H >> support was 7.1 - http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/supportchart.htmlL >> (don't try and simplify that domain, it's not at www.hp.com and their own. >> search engine turns up the same as Google).K >THIS is useful.  Up until now, I had no idea HP had a 'h71000.www7' server K >and their WEB site certainly never mentions it.  Now I have some places to # >search for the information I want.   L It seems to be the top of the Openvms tree - start at www.hp.com, follow theI Software link, then the Openvms link under Application Development.  (Or, 4 whisper it quietly, try www.openvms.digital.com :-))   --  ' To Be and Not To Be - Zen Shakespeare.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:06:06 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help, Message-ID: <3FB019DE.3000809@tsoft-inc.com>   K. M. Stoddard wrote:   G > I've tried every other avenue for documentation for the Alpha Server  K > 1000A 5/500; HP's WEB site seems to be just a circular queue ("...didn't  F > find it here?  Go back to the start, I dare you, and come back here 
 > again.")     Welcome to the future.    L > Here's my dilema so maybe someone has tread this path before and can tell J > me which directions to turn at the forks in the road.  I'm able to boot K > my Alpha Server 1000A to the three chevrons (>>>), SHO PAL and find that  K > I have a recent version.  SHO DEV and see that the internal CD ROM drive  L > (dka400) is present.  I have VAX/VMS OS 6.2 Binaries on the CD ROM.  This J > is where I am stranded; I cannot find the STANDALONE BOOT documentation K > for booting this CD.  I'm not even sure there is a boot sector on it.  I  K > finally (through an Australian URL) found the much refered to but seldom  H > available, Install and Upgrade Supplemental Guide, for VAX/VMS OS 6.2.    Q As others have stated, VAX software will not run on an Alpha, and Alpha software   will not run on a VAX.  D As for booting a CD in the drive, a simple BOOT DKA400 should do it.    K > Now some of you may be saying, "You can't install 6.2 onto an Alpha."  I  I > don't know.  From what I am finding at HP and other WEB sites, you can  L > and you can't.  One site says only 7.1 and up will install.  Another says  > 6.1 and up will install.     $ sy/noproc J OpenVMS V6.2-1H2  on node LEO  10-NOV-2003 14:59:17.64  Uptime  4 04:20:16
 $ sho lic/cha ' VMS/LMF Charge Information for node LEO : This is a AlphaServer 1000 4/266, hardware model type 1090O Type: A, Units Required: 15     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base) 4 Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server)9 Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User) 5 Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation) D Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)6 Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products)* Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved)8 Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)2 Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Products)  Q Note that the avoce is from an AlphaServer 1000 4/266, not a 1000A 5/500 which I  N think you stated you have.  The later processor may not be supported in V6.2, M but, V6.2 with hardware specific extensions does work on an AlphaServer 1000.     H > 1) Has anyone successfully installed VAX/VMS OS 6.2 on an Alpha 1000A?H > 2) Does anyone know where I might find any documentation on the Alpha I > 1000A? (I have some from the now defunct Compaq WEB site but it is not   > very thorough.) F > 3) Does anyone have documentation or know of such documentation for 8 > VAX/VMS OS 6.2 installation from the CD Binaries disc? > 1 > Thank you, in advance for any and all feedback.  >  > K. M.  >     P If this system is for commercial use, then you should think about contacting HP P and getting a current version of VMS.  If it's not for commercial use, then get O a new hobbyist license and media with the latest available version of VMS.  An   Alpha/VMS version of VMS!      Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:27:14 -0500 & From: "Chris Moore" <just@my.twocents>D Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1000A OS install and/or documentation help9 Message-ID: <J0Wrb.3452$fB3.342966@news20.bellglobal.com>   I Pretty much all your questions on docs, specs, options, etc. are answered  from the following page:  C http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/1000a/1000a_tech.html   L Looks like OpenVMS 6.2-1H3 (Alpha !) is the minimum version to run on these.G We have a couple similar that have been running 7.1 reliably for over 3 E years.  An Alpha Binaries CD will boot directly as has been mentioned  previously:   
 >>> B DKA400:     5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & news:3FB019DE.3000809@tsoft-inc.com... > K. M. Stoddard wrote:  > H > > I've tried every other avenue for documentation for the Alpha ServerL > > 1000A 5/500; HP's WEB site seems to be just a circular queue ("...didn'tG > > find it here?  Go back to the start, I dare you, and come back here  > > again.") >  >  > Welcome to the future. >  > H > > Here's my dilema so maybe someone has tread this path before and can tellK > > me which directions to turn at the forks in the road.  I'm able to boot L > > my Alpha Server 1000A to the three chevrons (>>>), SHO PAL and find thatL > > I have a recent version.  SHO DEV and see that the internal CD ROM driveG > > (dka400) is present.  I have VAX/VMS OS 6.2 Binaries on the CD ROM.  ThisK > > is where I am stranded; I cannot find the STANDALONE BOOT documentation L > > for booting this CD.  I'm not even sure there is a boot sector on it.  IL > > finally (through an Australian URL) found the much refered to but seldomJ > > available, Install and Upgrade Supplemental Guide, for VAX/VMS OS 6.2. >  > I > As others have stated, VAX software will not run on an Alpha, and Alpha  software > will not run on a VAX. > F > As for booting a CD in the drive, a simple BOOT DKA400 should do it. >  > L > > Now some of you may be saying, "You can't install 6.2 onto an Alpha."  IJ > > don't know.  From what I am finding at HP and other WEB sites, you canH > > and you can't.  One site says only 7.1 and up will install.  Another says > > 6.1 and up will install. >  > 
 > $ sy/noproc L > OpenVMS V6.2-1H2  on node LEO  10-NOV-2003 14:59:17.64  Uptime  4 04:20:16 > $ sho lic/cha ) > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node LEO < > This is a AlphaServer 1000 4/266, hardware model type 1090K > Type: A, Units Required: 15     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or  Base) 6 > Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server); > Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User) 7 > Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation) F > Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)8 > Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products), > Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved): > Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)4 > Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Products) > J > Note that the avoce is from an AlphaServer 1000 4/266, not a 1000A 5/500 which I I > think you stated you have.  The later processor may not be supported in  V6.2, I > but, V6.2 with hardware specific extensions does work on an AlphaServer  1000.  >  > J > > 1) Has anyone successfully installed VAX/VMS OS 6.2 on an Alpha 1000A?I > > 2) Does anyone know where I might find any documentation on the Alpha J > > 1000A? (I have some from the now defunct Compaq WEB site but it is not > > very thorough.) G > > 3) Does anyone have documentation or know of such documentation for : > > VAX/VMS OS 6.2 installation from the CD Binaries disc? > > 3 > > Thank you, in advance for any and all feedback.  > > 	 > > K. M.  > >  >  > C > If this system is for commercial use, then you should think about 
 contacting HP H > and getting a current version of VMS.  If it's not for commercial use, then getL > a new hobbyist license and media with the latest available version of VMS. An > Alpha/VMS version of VMS!  >  >  > Dave >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 16:04:02 -0800+ From: spamdump@mccready.com (Gary McCready) < Subject: Re: DECWindows clock off by one hour (DST problem).= Message-ID: <ffd79a6c.0311101604.4af3d360@posting.google.com>   [ "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote in message news:<bofjrt$hl6$1@info.service.rug.nl>... > > "Martin Kirby" <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 8 > news:224291b.0311060917.615464e9@posting.google.com...< > > What version of OpenVMS and what version of DECwindows ? > > I > > DECW$CLOCK uses the C RTL functions "time" and "localtime" to get the D > > time data. Prior to DECwindows V1.3 it was supported on pre-V7.1F > > systems so must have used the non-UTC versions of these functions.H > > For V1.3 it is only supported on V7.3-1 so it may, but I don't know,: > > have changed to use the UTC versions of the functions. > > H > > If you restart DECW$CLOCK does it show the correct time, i.e. may beG > > something cached in the process execution, or the wrong time, i.e.  = > > it is something that drives the non-UTC C rtl functions ?  > G > I have restarted it several times, but it still shows the wrong time.   D We had the same problem - all your "*timezone*" logicals must be setA correctly, and sometimes, depending on the app, would require the 2 application to be restarted (Decwindows perhaps?).  F The UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM usually will do the right thing, as a .DAT file2 (name escapes me) has to be set correctly as well.   @ Of course, a reboot would be required to prove that you have setB everything correctly - to change automatically in the future wouldC require either the DTSS clerk process running prior to vms 7.3, and 7 the auto_dlight_sav sysgen parameter set 7.3 and later.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 15:36:46 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: Forcing mail to use Internet.< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0311101536.154f75f@posting.google.com>  a brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote in message news:<03111010273851@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>...  > Fred Zwarts writes: : > > We want to move our users mailboxes to another system.D > > In order to prevent that mail still arrives in the old mailboxesG > > (which many people will never read) we want to force the use of the  > > internet protocol.I > > It looks like the MAIL$INTERNET_MODE logical name can be used for it, J > > when defined as SMTP, however, it seems to work only if an @ symbol is > > usedI > > in the mail address. We want it to apply to all addresses, even those  > > without node name. > > Is this possible?  >  >  > One way... >  > Use the following command: >  > $ mail9 > MAIL> SET FORWARD /USER=user smtp%"joe.user@domain.com"  > ! > And do this for all your users.   D unless both old and new mail servers have the same domain name, then2 you can use the address of the new mail server ...  4 $ SET FORWARD/USER=someone "someone@999.999.999.999"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:45:12 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: Forcing mail to use Internet.' Message-ID: <3FAFEAC7.E8815C@istop.com>    Fred Zwarts wrote:G > It looks like the MAIL$INTERNET_MODE logical name can be used for it, M > when defined as SMTP, however, it seems to work only if an @ symbol is used G > in the mail address. We want it to apply to all addresses, even those  > without node name.  I This can get pretty difficult if you want to catch 100% of possibilities. M Consider the case where I might address a mail to  PASTRY::chef , there is no = way for mail to really translate this to an internet address.   K SET FORWARD seems to be the best solution (others have already provided the K syntax). However, you have to make sure that you set forward to a different  mail store.   f consider the case where user "chef" on node "pastry" has set a forward to "chef@pastry.chocolate.com".  G If you send an email to him via VMS mail, it will get sent via the SMTP G system. However, that system will then attempt to deliver it to the vms K mailbox "chef" on node pastry, at which point, it will see that the mailbox J has been forwarded. So the message will be in a loop until the SMTP system> tires of adding more "received" headers and kills the message.  L Since VMS has both POP and IMAP servers now, why not simply leave the systemL as it is and let the users get their emails from their current mailboxes via their internet client ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:56:17 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ?( Message-ID: <3FAFED5F.CFDF33B@istop.com>   John Smith wrote: G > North American financial institutions. None were completed on-time or J > on-budget, and it's not as though they 'just missed' their targets by an > eyelash.    N Ahh, but consider that many times, in order to get budget approval, managementN has to artificially make the project smaller than they really know it will be,K and once the project is funded and well underway, it is then much easier to I request additional funding so as to not waste what has already been done.   N > terms of retaining business knowledge within your organization and to have aJ > responsive partner in fixing problems. And it's easier to find 'Dave' orH > 'Bill' if you want to hire them later after they quit your outsourcingJ > contractor (the key developers on your outsourced project) than it is toH > find Aggerwal or Dilip whose hometown is a village without a telephone > halfway around the world.   N During the ice storm in 1998, a friend called me, and he was magically back atK his former employer, the hydro company. Unfortunatly, since my VMS machines L were unpowered, I couldn't provide him with the answer he needed :-(  He hadG worked on the power failure reporting system (if two homes report power N failure at same time, it works up the grid to see where the first common pointH is for those 2 homes etc). But that system failed because they had neverM anticipated getting so many power failure reports.  Interesting how the hydro 8 company managed to get him back within a couple of days.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:10 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ?- Message-ID: <871xsgaqyl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   E > My counter to that is while with all outsourcing there is a loss of C > knowledge and experience internal to your organization, it is far F > better to outsource locally in terms of retaining business knowledgeE > within your organization and to have a responsive partner in fixing C > problems. And it's easier to find 'Dave' or 'Bill' if you want to F > hire them later after they quit your outsourcing contractor (the keyD > developers on your outsourced project) than it is to find AggerwalB > or Dilip whose hometown is a village without a telephone halfway > around the world.   F I worked for some one who did their stuff in house BECAUSE if they putD out the work to do the software, they had to gigt wrap and hand overA their total knowlege of how to do that business. They came to the C conclusion that they much prefered others not have that little gem.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:00:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: How long until IT employment vanishes ?L Message-ID: <1pXrb.17489$Rah1.14881@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote: ' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > F >> My counter to that is while with all outsourcing there is a loss ofD >> knowledge and experience internal to your organization, it is farG >> better to outsource locally in terms of retaining business knowledge F >> within your organization and to have a responsive partner in fixingD >> problems. And it's easier to find 'Dave' or 'Bill' if you want toG >> hire them later after they quit your outsourcing contractor (the key E >> developers on your outsourced project) than it is to find Aggerwal C >> or Dilip whose hometown is a village without a telephone halfway  >> around the world. > H > I worked for some one who did their stuff in house BECAUSE if they putF > out the work to do the software, they had to gigt wrap and hand overC > their total knowlege of how to do that business. They came to the E > conclusion that they much prefered others not have that little gem.     J That's the other reason why companies that view IT as a competitive weapon0 in a competitive industry often don't outsource.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:48:16 GMT - From: hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) F Subject: Re: How to determine how much TAPE-GB is required for DISK-GB2 Message-ID: <AITrb.8766$Pi4.3883@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <03110715300574@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:  P :Now I was wondering if there is a way to determine how much TAPE will be neededL :for DISK, using the variances of number of files, file size, etc.  Is there  :such a methodology out there?    C   Please consider a review of the associated section in the OpenVMS G   Frequently Asked Questions document, and specifically _How do I check %   for free space on a (BACKUP) tape?_     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:41:58 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Re: IMATION Tapes3 Message-ID: <3FB01436.AE553B10@applied-synergy.com>    Anonymous wrote: > G > Anyone using the IMATION DLT IV, SDLT and LTO tapes and what has been   > your experience... Good, Bad?? > D > Sorry to post in this manner, but management requested I post thisG > anonymously -- they don't want HP to know we might be shopping around I > for a less expensive solution-- just yet....  We have calculated a cost C > savings of 20K+ a year. But, we also know that magnetic media has G > different life spans depending on the vendor.  A cost savings doesn't I > become reality unless the quality is as good or better than the product  > being replaced.   F What follows is my current understanding.  Take it with as many grains of salt as you desire.  H IMATION was 3M.  Up through the DLT III, 3M was the sole manufacturer of2 DLT tapes.  (Including the TK50, TK70, TK85, etc.)  D IMATION is the primary manufacturer of DLT IV tapes.  I thought theyE were the sole manufacturer, but it has been suggested to me that Fuji  may be making their own tapes.   I do not know about SDLT, etc.  B So, at least for DLT IVs, whatever brand you buy, you are probably9 buying IMATION anyways.  (Except, maybe, for Fuji tapes.)   
 Good luck!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:04:21 +1100  From: bah@bit.bucket (BAH) Subject: Re: IMATION Tapes4 Message-ID: <slrnbr0dcl.g200b8.bah@plague.bogus.com>  U On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:50:18 GMT, Anonymous <anonymous@dontwantyoutoknow.com> Wrote : F >Anyone using the IMATION DLT IV, SDLT and LTO tapes and what has been >your experience... Good, Bad??   8 If you're buying tapes through HP you're probably buying5 rebadged Imation tapes anyway. I've had a pretty damn ( good run with Imation tapes in the past.     --    
 BAH Humbug   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 17:50:23 -0800, From: ian.burgess@start.com.au (Ian Burgess)F Subject: Re: is it necessary to dismount any volumes in syshutdwn.com?= Message-ID: <6b63fc08.0311101750.40f08bbe@posting.google.com>   a lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<boojtl$bs$1@newslocal.mitre.org>...  > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <bojose$pf5$1@online.de> dated Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:57:34 +0000 (UTC): I > >Of course, all locally mounted disks will eventually get dismounted.   9 > >Still, would it be better to explicitly dismount them?  ... G > >What about non-system disks being used for page and/or swap files?   H > >Should one deinstall the page/swap files before doing the dismount?  K > >Should one deinstall the page/swap files even if one doesn't explicitly   > >dismount the disk?  > L > There's a way to deinstall pagefiles??  (Checks SYSGEN doc, yes there is.)N > IMHO, doing this on a routine basis is likely to cause more problems than itE > solves.  For example, if you're frustrated by a memory leak and are M > rebooting as a last resort, removing pagefiles will make the memory problem  > worse. > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  D Deinstalling page files is probably a waste of time here; you'd alsoE have to stop any process allocated to the page file, i.e. it wouldn't ' happen until you were shut down anyway.   C A case for dismounting a system disk MSCP mounted on other nodes... D If you are going to bring up this node standalone (upgrading?), thenA it is necessary to dismount its system disk on all other nodes in = the cluster before you bring this node back into the cluster. D Otherwise you'll get "another volume already mounted with this name" error until you do.   $ Ian  (start.com.au no longer exists)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:07:38 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Lexical for Dumpstatus ? 3 Message-ID: <KvXrb.31657$ky5.482352@news.chello.at>   L I may be blind, but is there a lexical function for SET/SHOW PROCESS/DUMP ?    Guy ?    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:53:18 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: NCL Blocking syntax - help required3 Message-ID: <iiXrb.31566$ky5.482397@news.chello.at>    In article <rdeininger-0911030916220001@user-uinj067.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: >I would try this NCL command: > D >BLOCK EVENT DISPATCHER OUTBOUND STREAM local_stream GLOBAL FILTER -6 >   ((NODE, ROUTING), Address Unreachable PDU Discard)  M And I would enter the following command, too, to get rid of the annoying UIDs   5 SET EVENT DISPATCHER SINK local_sink DISPLAYUID FALSE    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:01:23 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) F Subject: Re: Newbie problem, act 2: recovering an old VMS installation2 Message-ID: <TUTrb.8768$Pi4.3031@news.cpqcorp.net>  e In article <uOVqb.751$ZH3.312@tornado.fastwebnet.it>, WiseLYNX <wiselynx.naima@fastwebnet.it> writes:   J :having for now given up installing a new version of VMS on my old VAX at @ :least until I can't find a suitable CDROM drive... is some way @ :of making it work with the current installation. Let's explain      Let's not.  :-)   J :This machine (a VAXStation 3100/30) belonged once to the university I do J :attend. I tryied to gather other info about it's previous use and setup, G :but I could not find anything.. anyway, I doubt it once was part of a   :cluster or something.  G   I'd first get a working CD-ROM drive for the box.  CD drives that are E   officially supported are available, requirements for CD drives that G   are not officially supported are referenced in the OpenVMS Frequently F   Asked Questions (FAQ), and topics involving CD drives do see regular"   discussions here in comp.os.vms.  7 :Now, here is what happens if I ask the system to boot:  :  : >>> boot dka200  :  :-DKA200G :    VAX/VMS Version V5.4-OP  Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0   J   This is ancient, and is a variant version I don't immediately recognize.J   (I am aware of a "V5.4-0A" release, but not of a release that is labeled*   "V5.4-OP".  "V5.4-0A" dates from 1990...  I   The error is one that probably requires a software update, and releases D   in the V5.4-vintage range have not been supported for a long time.   I :..and, being I a newbie to both VAXes and VMS.. I can't figure out what  E :this can mean :( Anyone has a clue? Do you think I can recover this  I :installation? (I don't need the lastest version of the OS, I was just a  < :lot curious of seeing both a VAX at work and VMS at work..)  E   You don't (yet) know what you are doing, hence using a variant of a F   fifteen year old release is not the most expedient course of action.A   (No offense is intended here.)  The VAXstation 3100 series will H   bootstrap more recent releases, and is -- given enough physical memoryF   is present and enough disk for the release -- supported with OpenVMS%   VAX V7.3; with the current release.   H   You will also want to review the VAXstation 3100 console boostrap diskF   limits discussed in the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), asE   these will limit which disks you can bootstrap reliably on the box.   G   I don't mean this to appear rude -- but as you do indicate you are a  I   newbie to OpenVMS and to OpenVMS system management and to VAX hardware, I   I would strongly encourage you to start with a supported configuration. I   Once you understand how the pieces fit together, then the more creative J   or attempts at relatively unsupported configurations can become feasibleI   and even reasonable.  But I would not encourage starting out with these I   configurations, nor with unsupported software versions from circa 1990.   K   Ancient OpenVMS releases are not good at operating with newer SCSI disks, I   for instance.  Ancient VAX consoles are not good at bigger disks.  Etc.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Nov 2003 23:33:56 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: Novell buying Suse, IBM investing in Novell: Message-ID: <bop793$1h64ub$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  3 In article <VKUrb.29565$ky5.452758@news.chello.at>, 9 	peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > In article <00A287E2.052978E9@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: 3 >>(Nearly on topic for c.o.v: Suse supports Alpha.)  >  > Sorry, no. > No longer.L > They stopped support for the Alpha Platform some years/versions ago (~6.1)? > And last year, they did one more version for the Alpha (8.1?)i8 > but this one is also outdated now (we are now at 9.0?) > 9 > Sad, isn't it. But OTOH a OpenVMS hobbyist might think:aO > Alphas lost for LINUX means eventually they will be won for OpenVMS again ;-)l >   A Actually, it is more likely that the unhappy Linux user will findlB that FreeBSD still does Alpha (I just got the iso's for the latestA version) and after loading it will never look at Linux again.  Ofr@ course, that won't help VMS survive, but it is the easier way to3 get the machine running and doing something useful.    bill   -- sJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   v   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:59:01 GMTi6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)8 Subject: Re: Novell buying Suse, IBM investing in Novell3 Message-ID: <VKUrb.29565$ky5.452758@news.chello.at>    In article <00A287E2.052978E9@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:52 >(Nearly on topic for c.o.v: Suse supports Alpha.)  
 Sorry, no.
 No longer.J They stopped support for the Alpha Platform some years/versions ago (~6.1)= And last year, they did one more version for the Alpha (8.1?)<6 but this one is also outdated now (we are now at 9.0?)  7 Sad, isn't it. But OTOH a OpenVMS hobbyist might think:pM Alphas lost for LINUX means eventually they will be won for OpenVMS again ;-)l   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER(% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:24:30 GMTm/ From: Milton <mbhewitt@optonline.SPAMBLOCK.net>t8 Subject: Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds158 Message-ID: <tusvqvg8k9gdq1eto328edbpp1kej9au05@4ax.com>  G On 10 Nov 2003 06:30:29 -0800, dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (Dieter  Ro?bach)p wrote:   >VMS 7.3-1, all current Patches 
 >Oracle 9.0.1d >e >System 1: DS10, 512MB Memoryn >System 2: DS15, 1024MB Memory > < >I did  abackup/image from all DS10 disks to the DS15 disks.C >When I start Oracle on the DS15, is dies with this wunderful, selfo
 >explaningA >ORA-3113 message, "end-of-file on communication channel" with not >additional logs.DE >The only difference between the two installations is: the DS15 has ahG >1Ghz processor and twice the memory, with results in larger values foro% >almost all of the sysgen parameters.15 >Everything else like JAVA, SAMBA, OpenORB work fine.a >r/ >I tried to ask google, but got no help at all.s > @ >I spend almost all saturday and sunday on that problem, without	 >success.pF >What is wrong and how do I force the Oracle installation on my system. >to tell me more about reason of that failure?  $ This URL will give you some ideas:: / http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ORA-3113.htmln   Cheers,c Milton   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:28:05 GMTi% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>m9 Subject: Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15.a8 Message-ID: <p2Wrb.19651$Vu6.3279@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  L Did you copy the OS disk as well?  If so, did you run Autogen and re-boot soG that the system recognizes the different hardware (CPU, RAM) on the new- system.   L Is your TNS listener configured for a different device port on the DS15 thanI it is on the DS10?  I know that the 15's come with a 10/100/1000 built inpL port, but I do not know if the network port identifiers are the same betweenJ the two platforms.  This might explain your  "end-of-file on communication channel" problem.       8 Dieter Ro?bach <dieter.rossbach@gmx.de> wrote in message7 news:e1d40caf.0311100630.21703599@posting.google.com...>  > VMS 7.3-1, all current Patches > Oracle 9.0.1 >. > System 1: DS10, 512MB Memory > System 2: DS15, 1024MB Memoryu >i= > I did  abackup/image from all DS10 disks to the DS15 disks.eD > When I start Oracle on the DS15, is dies with this wunderful, self > explaningkB > ORA-3113 message, "end-of-file on communication channel" with no > additional logs.F > The only difference between the two installations is: the DS15 has aH > 1Ghz processor and twice the memory, with results in larger values for& > almost all of the sysgen parameters.6 > Everything else like JAVA, SAMBA, OpenORB work fine. >t0 > I tried to ask google, but got no help at all. > A > I spend almost all saturday and sunday on that problem, withoutl
 > success.G > What is wrong and how do I force the Oracle installation on my systemm/ > to tell me more about reason of that failure?e >n	 > Regards  >n > Dieter Rossbachi   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:29:56 GMTo6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: problems with patches3 Message-ID: <oYWrb.31427$ky5.452758@news.chello.at>o  w In article <bojn93$kod$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:tG >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image COBOLAE1027ECO2.A-DCX_AXPEXE;1dQ >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DSA510:[ADMIN.PATCH.LAYERED.ALPHA]COBOLAE1027ECO2.A-D  >CX_AXPEXE;1: >-SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed > Q >        Original file specification: WORK5:[ECOKITBLD.LP.COMPLETE]CXXAE02062.A;1)Q >        Decompressed file specification: DISK$USER:[ADMIN.PATCH.LAYERED.ALPHA]CXs
 >XAE02062.A;1d1 >%FTSV-W-COMP_DECOMPERR, fatal decompressor errorr >-DCX-W-TRUNC, data truncatedo  . The previous mirror of ftp.service.digital.com  , 	ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/publib/vms/  H is still up and will stay there but will not be updated. So maybe you'll find it there (still).   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERi% Network and OpenVMS system specialistf E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:24:09 GMTr3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)S4 Subject: Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade?2 Message-ID: <tBRrb.8744$i14.7788@news.cpqcorp.net>  @ In a new installation SYPAGSWPFILES.COM is provides as a copy ofH SYPAGSWPFILES.TEMPLATE.  On an upgrade, if SYPAGSWPFILES.COM is present,E it is *NOT* replaced; if it is not present, it is provided (again) as ! a copy of SYPAGSWPFILES.TEMPLATE.t  G SYPAGSWPFILES.* are provided ONLY in SYS$COMMON; copies in SYS$SPECIFICi are ignored by the upgrade.   K It is difficult to imagine that this is not working correctly.  Please lookOH for some user actions that might make it seem to be working incorrectly.  C If you believe that you have a reproducible situation in which thislA does not work as documented, please file a formal problem report.e   -- lJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:42:51 GMTy6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: SYPAGSWPFILES still replace on upgrade?3 Message-ID: <v8Xrb.31493$ky5.452758@news.chello.at>u  h In article <tBRrb.8744$i14.7788@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:A >In a new installation SYPAGSWPFILES.COM is provides as a copy of,I >SYPAGSWPFILES.TEMPLATE.  On an upgrade, if SYPAGSWPFILES.COM is present, F >it is *NOT* replaced; if it is not present, it is provided (again) as" >a copy of SYPAGSWPFILES.TEMPLATE. >hH >SYPAGSWPFILES.* are provided ONLY in SYS$COMMON; copies in SYS$SPECIFIC >are ignored by the upgrade. >sL >It is difficult to imagine that this is not working correctly.  Please lookI >for some user actions that might make it seem to be working incorrectly.s > D >If you believe that you have a reproducible situation in which thisB >does not work as documented, please file a formal problem report.  E I also did a an OpenVMS Alpha upgrade (to V7.3-2) recently and it didfG was Ch.H. wrote, but I also remember that what Ph.H. described was (anda, maybe still is) partly true for OpenVMS VAX.  H It did provide new versions of said files, but renamed at the end of theI upgrade the original files to the newest version number and did NOT purgel6 them. It may have changed in the last years, though...   -- r Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERA% Network and OpenVMS system specialist- E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:00:28 -05005+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>y! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.p8 Message-ID: <tenvqvcaeag5utk46qqlbhd32s9tljku2t@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:49:52 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  G >I don't think it opened much earlier, because ISTR that the reason thevK >RMS-11 group didn't move there directly from the Mill (but instead spent anK >year in Tewksbury) was that the space wasn't yet ready (and IIRC there was ( >only a single building at that time).    H Well, Tewksbury opened in September 1978 or very close to that.  I stillL remember the "Welcome to Andover Street" banner there, which was intended toH evoke the feeling that Tewksbury was just another Maynard facility, evenL though it was some twenty miles away.  Following in the grand DEC tradition,M the Tewksbury plant was a converted Caldor department store, with a converted N A&P grocery store across the parking lot.  Last I checked, it was part of some& life insurance company office complex.  F I interviewed at Tewksbury and worked there until moving to Spit BrookN (Nashua) when the facility opened in July 1980, though my first few weeks were? in Merrimack because my group (Commercial Languages) was there.    SteveX   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:07:50 GMT % From: "Bob Lail" <Robert.Lail@hp.com>t! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.'2 Message-ID: <G6Trb.8764$4g4.2019@news.cpqcorp.net>  8 "Steve Lionel" <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote in message2 news:tenvqvcaeag5utk46qqlbhd32s9tljku2t@4ax.com...J > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:49:52 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >lI > >I don't think it opened much earlier, because ISTR that the reason the K > >RMS-11 group didn't move there directly from the Mill (but instead spent  a I > >year in Tewksbury) was that the space wasn't yet ready (and IIRC there  was'( > >only a single building at that time). >eJ > Well, Tewksbury opened in September 1978 or very close to that.  I stillK > remember the "Welcome to Andover Street" banner there, which was intended  toJ > evoke the feeling that Tewksbury was just another Maynard facility, evenC > though it was some twenty miles away.  Following in the grand DECi
 tradition,E > the Tewksbury plant was a converted Caldor department store, with a 	 convertedSK > A&P grocery store across the parking lot.  Last I checked, it was part of  some( > life insurance company office complex. > H > I interviewed at Tewksbury and worked there until moving to Spit BrookK > (Nashua) when the facility opened in July 1980, though my first few weeksP wereA > in Merrimack because my group (Commercial Languages) was there.e >, > Stever  L   Well just to keep this string moving, Merrimack MKO01 opened in late 1977.L I started at DEC in Dec 1978 with the Communications Engineering Group doingK Modem Development at MKO Building 1 . MKO had been open just over a year atnI that point. I moved out, to ZKO with CSS, when it was sold to Fidelity in  the Spring of 1997.r  	 \Bob Lailc     -- n Robert G. Lail Senior Solution Architect  Corporate Accounts Hewlett-Packard CompanyV Voice: 603.424.6272l Email: RobertDOTLail@hpDOTcomk (replace the DOT with ".")   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:02:50 -0500m* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.e2 Message-ID: <HY-dnRQDC8WRli2iRVn-sw@metrocast.net>  8 "Steve Lionel" <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote in message2 news:tenvqvcaeag5utk46qqlbhd32s9tljku2t@4ax.com...   ...   '   Following in the grand DEC tradition, E > the Tewksbury plant was a converted Caldor department store, with a 	 converteduK > A&P grocery store across the parking lot.  Last I checked, it was part ofb some( > life insurance company office complex.  K I actually had the pleasure of working there again about 3 years ago.  Both I sides of the parking lot had been the headquarters of Avid Technology forpI quite a while at that point, and AFAIK still are.  There were quite a fewMI ex-Deccies there with me as well (though a major layoff a couple of years L ago eliminated some of them):  Eric Peters (CTO and co-founder - that's whatH he did after Apollo; he has since left to form a stealth start-up), HerbJ Jacobs (in a partner role - he and Stan Rabinowitz developed a file systemI that Avid licensed under an arrangement that made it worth Herb's time tofJ come along with it; Herb is reportedly now semi-retired and exploring gameJ development - which seems kind of a waste, but if he's happy...), Stan (heI decided to become an employee), Jim Ravan (one of those subsequently laid L off), Sandy Snaman, Maureen Johnson (who arrived shortly before I left), andL I'm sure I've missed more (my apologies to them for my forgetfulness if they read this).u   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:27:08 -0500.* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.h) Message-ID: <3FB010B0.E01F24CB@istop.com>$  & re: Digital facilities in new england.  L Considering the year they were built, what was the state of the buildings inL the 1995-1999 era ? had they undergone renovations inside, or was Digital soM cash strapped that they were starting to look runned down ?  has the purchases* by Compaq and now HP changed any of this ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:38:26 GMTr4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: The old DEC complex.l/ Message-ID: <m4Xrb.120110$275.348973@attbi_s53>   V In article <3FB010B0.E01F24CB@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:' !re: Digital facilities in new england.e !yM !Considering the year they were built, what was the state of the buildings inrM !the 1995-1999 era ? had they undergone renovations inside, or was Digital so7N !cash strapped that they were starting to look runned down ?  has the purchase+ !by Compaq and now HP changed any of this ?)  O I can't speak for the DEC facilities that are left, and I did not see the state7O of the buildings that were bought by Fidelity.  I can tell you that each of thesN four buildings was "gutted" and rebuilt.  They were not old buildings to begin= with - Fidelity just wanted to re-do the space their own way.   L The hp facility in Marlborough has the two "older" buildings on the combinedO Fidelity/hp "campus", but I *have* seen the inside of both of the hp buildings;oO they are definitely *not* "run-down", and they were not in bad shape during thedL COMPAQ era, either.  At least one of those buildings was meant to be seen byO customers, so they had to keep the buildings in good shape for customer visits.o  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"uK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' n0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:50:36 +0000s% From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.com>-; Subject: VERITAS NBU OpenVMS v4.5 MP6 release now available 4 Message-ID: <booq99$fbs$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  A The downloadable v4.5 MP6 (Maintenance Pack Six) upgrade release C? is now available for both VAX and Alpha. This release supports R& v4.5 MP6/FP6 master and media servers.  B Full release notes are available externally from VERITAS Support:-  J ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS/     nbu_vms_pdf.zipo   Alan Fay VERITAS Software Corporation Roseville Engineering0   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2003 15:17:55 -0800. From: Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman)  Subject: VMS Spiffy Text Editors< Message-ID: <69d784c4.0311101517.7fc714a@posting.google.com>  : Can anyone point me to any company making a word-processor= similar to the old WordPerfect that works under VMS?  Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:48:02 -0500c* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: VMS Spiffy Text Editors) Message-ID: <3FB031AB.875AC627@istop.com>    Jack Trachtman wrote:t > < > Can anyone point me to any company making a word-processor? > similar to the old WordPerfect that works under VMS?  Thanks.m  * You could still get ALL-IN-1 with WPSPLUS.  O Or you could get a much more powerful editor with DECwrite. (runs on xwindows).o  S ALLIn1 won't make it to IA64, but will be supported on Alpha for some time to come.s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.625 ************************