1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 15 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 634       Contents: Re: A sort of a "me too" Re: alpha box and licence too? Re: alpha box and licence too? Re: alpha box and licence too? Re: alpha box and licence too? Re: alpha box and licence too?, Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions, Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions, Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions Re: Alpha page size  Re: Alpha page size ) An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled = Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.3-1 and DECamds V7.3-2 $ Re: Backups and shadowed system disk$ Re: Backups and shadowed system disk$ Re: Backups and shadowed system disk Batch Job Completion status  Re: Batch Job Completion status  Re: Batch Job Completion status 6 DCL enhancements: (RE)SET many characteristics at once( Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1( Re: IA64 may show some promise - Gartner Re: InfoServer and DLT VS  Re: Main memory for galaxy Re: Main memory for galaxy MicroVAX/Infoserver  Re: Save Set Manager$ TCPIP$IMAP server zombie connections
 VMS BBS??? Re: VMS BBS??? Re: VMS BBS???  Re: VMS Defragmentation Software Re: Web VT Emulation$ Re: What is "TCPIP Client for VMS" ?, Re: xscreenserver makevms.com compile errors, Re: xscreenserver makevms.com compile errors  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:31:56 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: A sort of a "me too" / Message-ID: <gVptb.157767$275.475199@attbi_s53>   e In article <14NOV200322522562@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: I !Well, it's happened to me too - today was my last day at my current job.  ! K !I may or may not be working with VMS at my next job (since I havn't got it K !yet, I don't know), and so I may or may not be hanging around here so much  !in the future.  !   N Good luck to you - do you have a hobbyist system at home?  It's a (relatively)H cheap way of keeping up your VMS skills (and retaining a link to the VMSM community).  I have one, and it was vitally important in obtaining my current L VMS position, after seven months without a job.  I had to write a bit of DCLM code in response to a problem posed by the hiring manager.  I could have done H it with one of the "public" VMS boxes on the 'net, but having my own VMS> machine at home allowed me to write and test the code quickly.  H If you have no current access to VMS, obtaining an account on one of theM "public" boxes is a quick, easy way to retain your skills, albeit as a "mere" 	 user.	:-)   ; !It's been fun and interesting, at least a lot of the time.  ! 	 !--- Carl   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:05:43 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>' Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? 3 Message-ID: <3fb5fa77$0$2807$626a54ce@news.free.fr>    tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com wrote:   > j1076366@cfl.rr.com  > D >  Do any of you know where to buy an old/used Alpha (like a DigitalF > Alphastation)?  I want to get the VMS Hobbyist License ($30) and runH > VMS AT HOME!!!!!  I've done some internet searches but not many pop upF > and those that do seem to be too expensive for the age/configuration   eBay http://tinyurl.com/v3tg    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:20:50 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> ' Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? 8 Message-ID: <8e9crvkpshbu2ep2fgqu1mv146gvgdmlun@4ax.com>  G On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:05:43 +0100, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:    >tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com wrote:  >  >> j1076366@cfl.rr.com >>  E >>  Do any of you know where to buy an old/used Alpha (like a Digital G >> Alphastation)?  I want to get the VMS Hobbyist License ($30) and run I >> VMS AT HOME!!!!!  I've done some internet searches but not many pop up G >> and those that do seem to be too expensive for the age/configuration  >  >eBay  >http://tinyurl.com/v3tg  / It appears to be missing one byte of memory :-)   " This looks rather nicer all round:L http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3059216832&category=11218  J May need to check VMS support for the graphics card, other than that it isA reasonbly modern, expandable, powerful.  Not a bad price, really.    --  3 The mailman bringeth...  The trashman taketh away!     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? $ Message-ID: <bp5i9v$k7k$1@online.de>  F In article <1cctb.9063$IV.3852@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > In article E <smfarvsm2mmicrd65ogv1jqp0l7mrajc9i@4ax.com>, tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com  writes:   F >   Among the least expensive platforms that can run OpenVMS, considerI >   acquiring a used VAXstation series system, preferably VAXstation 4000 G >   or later.  (VAXstation 3100 series has system disk limits, see the   >   OpenVMS FAQ for details.)   F The VAXstation 4000 machines are great for home use.  They are small, G quiet, consume little power and are reasonably fast.  One can also use    "standard" SCSI disks with them.  H I also have a VAX 400.  If you don't need graphics, then it is a similarD class of machine.  (Mine has some DSSI disks inside, but also a SCSI7 CD-ROM; one can connect both SCSI and DSSI externally.)    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:59:19 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? $ Message-ID: <bp5ign$k7k$2@online.de>  H In article <bp42vn029fs@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  M > One thing though, people that are new to the platform should concentrate on M > getting systems that already have enough RAM to run OpenVMS.  I'd recommend ! > a minimum of 16-32MB for a VAX    B This is generally not a problem; most VAXes (if they have not beenH gutted) will have at least this much.  Even VMS 7.3 has a minimum as lowA as 4 MB, but of course more is better.  At home, my lowest-memory  machine (a VAX) has 32 MB.     > or 128MB for OpenVMS.     H I have been running an ALPHAstation 255/233 for years with just 64 MB.  D It is at 7.2-1 now, hopefully 7.3-1 as of next weekend.  Sure, more H would be better (hopefully I can buy some more memory for it soon), but * it can run with 64 (including DECwindows).  G In other words, don't pass up a cheap ALPHAstation just because it has   only 64 MB.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:04:35 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>' Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? 0 Message-ID: <3FB65AC0.62E7E747@blueyonder.co.uk>   tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com wrote: >  > j1076366@cfl.rr.com  > D >  Do any of you know where to buy an old/used Alpha (like a DigitalF > Alphastation)?  I want to get the VMS Hobbyist License ($30) and runH > VMS AT HOME!!!!!  I've done some internet searches but not many pop upF > and those that do seem to be too expensive for the age/configuration    E Ther are free VAX emulators (Simh and TS10) that you can run on Intel J hardware (Windows/Linux) which are perfectly capable of running a hobbyist  system without special hardware. --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:36:31 -0500 0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>5 Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions , Message-ID: <bp4s3a$g39$1@news3.infoave.net>  < I agree that Ebay is the place to go for hobbyist equipment.  + Look for any of the SCSI PCI Alpha systems.   J Avoid turbochannel just because it is old (1992-1995) and relatively slow.  C Especially easy to get and to upgrade are (in no particular order):     J    Alphastation 200 4/233 - Typical: $150 - (cheap 72pin memory and 50 pinJ scsi disks, but slow processor and I/O - circa 1995. Avoid 4/100 and 4/1668 because they are just too slow.) (my first home machine)  G    Alphaserver 800  - Typical: $500 - (holds 4 cheap 10K RPM 18GB SCA-2 K disks, lots of built-in disk and tape drive slots, expensive memory - circa I 1998). The white box Digital Server 3300 is exactly the same machine, but K there is a console patch you need to do in order to boot VMS/Unix. Both are J industrial boxes but not much bigger than a big PC tower. (my current home machine)  I    Alphaserver 1000 - Typical: $400 - (built-in Storageworks narrow shelf $ and cheap 72pin memory - circa 1996)  I    Alphaserver 1200 - Typical: $500 - (similar to 1000 but faster and and  expensive memory - circa 1998)  H    Alphastation 500 - Typical: $400 - (cheap 68pin scsi disks, expensive) memory, compact desktop box - circa 1997)   G    PWS500AU - Typical: $400 - (cheap disks, memory, compact box - circa I 1999 - make sure it has scsi devices and the "U" in the product name, you E can convert a "A" to an "AU", but it probably isn't worth the effort.   L    DS10 - Typical: $2500 - (ultra-fast EV6, lots of slots, but expensive for a hobbyist)   K    DS10L - Typical: $1200 - (ultra-fast EV6, blade small, relatively cheap, J only one pci slot and one internal IDE drive. Floppy/CD combo is expensiveK addon - very limited overall expandability unless you are putting in a home  SAN)      L For the machines with expensive memory, just make sure you buy it with 256MBK already builtin. 128MB is just not enough memory to keep an alpha processor F humming. You'll beat the disk drives to death with page/swap activity.  E I prefer to use a pc with eXcursion X-windows and Motif rather than a K graphics card in the Alpha. Works just fine over an 11mbit wireless 802.11b  network.  J Also consider adding a cheap pci narrow SCSI controller KZPBA, KZPSA, etc.I Then get a cheap external 4mm DAT drive for backups and put it on its own I bus. This will mean fewer scsi bus reset problems and tape drives need an  occasional power reset.   G After all, if you are going to have a VMS server running in your house, L don't expect it to ever need to reboot. Just keep it fed with constant power8 and forget everything you know about control-alt-delete.   : - D   I Just about any DDS-2/DDS-3/DDS-4 DAT drive should work on VMS. I've tried I about 8 different models and they all work fine. If it supports 120m tape G cartridges, you should have no problems since it will be relatively new K (1999?). Drives that support ONLY 60m or 90m tapes are too old. If you need J to save money, just add the tape drive to the internal scsi bus on most ofL these machines. My current tape drive shows up as an ARCHIVE Python 01931. IA got it for $40 plus shipping on ebay to replace a worn out TLZ09.    Consider installing:  @      Pathworks Advanced server for home file and printer sharing:      eXcursion on your home pc for X-windows access to VMS4      OSU web server for home "intranet" Web services  K You can write some really neat personal applications in DCL for the OSU web J server. I have a home photo album with over 15,000 family photos served toJ every pc in the house. Plus I can get to them from the internet with a web  browser when visiting relatives.      L What's really neat to consider about my list is "How many 8-10 year old PC'sJ are still considered useful devices?" and "How many 8-10 year old PC's can7 still run the latest version of the operating system?".    My guess is zero.   ,                                         Jeff  & <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote in message& news:bp42vn029fs@enews4.newsguy.com...: > Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:A > > Ebay often has stuff.  Do a basic search for Alphastation and  Alphaserver H > > and as of now there's a stripped-down Alphastation 250 for $10, or aJ > > stripped Alphaserver 1000 for $50, if you are comfortable with findingJ > > things like drives/memory, or there are complete systems for more.  BeF > > patient, there are overpriced items there but bargains come along. > J > One thing though, people that are new to the platform should concentrate onC > getting systems that already have enough RAM to run OpenVMS.  I'd 	 recommend J > a minimum of 16-32MB for a VAX or 128MB for OpenVMS.  This is especiallyH > true if looking at something like an AlphaStation 500 that uses wierd,K > expensive RAM.  Some systems like the AlphaStation 200 are fairly easy to G > get RAM for (it uses 72-pin True Parity), but can still take time and J > potentially more money than its worth.  I'm still looking for affordable > AlphaStation 500/333 RAM.  >  > Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:29:05 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) 5 Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511030829570001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>  : In article <bp4s3a$g39$1@news3.infoave.net>, "Jeff Morgan"# <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> wrote:   = >I agree that Ebay is the place to go for hobbyist equipment.  > , >Look for any of the SCSI PCI Alpha systems. > K >Avoid turbochannel just because it is old (1992-1995) and relatively slow.   I I'll agree with Jeff's recommendations, except for the turbochannel part.   ? The TC systems are old and relatively slow, but they tend to be F significantly cheaper.  An alpha hobbyist with a low budget should not ignore these systems. H DEC 3000-400, -600, and -700 systems can be found for $25-$50 in workingE order with enough memory.  These systems are fairly compact and quite J reliable.  The -800 and -900 models are similar, but are too big and heavy for many hobbyists.   I In these systems, 64 MB is minimal for current versions of VMS, 128 MB is J comfortable for most tasks, and 256 MB seems luxurious.  When new, many ofG these systems shipped with 32-64 MB of memory.  The systems take memory G not used anywhere else, so try to buy a system with the memory you need  already included.   H Turbochannel adapters are harder to find/scrounge than formerly, but theD DEC 3000 systems come with SCSI and ethernet built-in, and many usedG systems already include a graphics card.  Avoid systems that don't have  the CD drive included.  I Any of the older alphas work well with early Storageworks SCSI equipment, E which is obtainable cheaply.  BA350, BA356, and BA353 enclosures with H compatible storageworks disks are all fine provided you obtain the right cables.   J A DEC 3000-700 (EV45 processor at 225 MHz) will outperform an AlphastationJ 200 4/233 for most tasks, because of the superior memory architecture.  IfG this box was offered at $50 and the AlphaStation 200 was $150, I'd take H the DEC 3000.  Even at equal prices, the DEC 3000 is probably the better machine.  F I'd avoid any of the DEC 3000-300 family unless they were VERY cheap. G These have lower memory bandwidth don't perform as well.  The exception G would be someone looking for a "portable" VMS system -- these are among . the smallest alpha systems commonly available.  I Anything older than EV56-era alpha systems will disappoint if you plan to % run bloated software (Java, Mozilla).    > D >Especially easy to get and to upgrade are (in no particular order): >  > K >   Alphastation 200 4/233 - Typical: $150 - (cheap 72pin memory and 50 pin K >scsi disks, but slow processor and I/O - circa 1995. Avoid 4/100 and 4/166 9 >because they are just too slow.) (my first home machine)   E Keep in mind that _modern_ PCI adapters often won't work in the early  alpha PCI systems.     ...     M >What's really neat to consider about my list is "How many 8-10 year old PC's K >are still considered useful devices?" and "How many 8-10 year old PC's can 8 >still run the latest version of the operating system?". >  >My guess is zero.  G That is one of the nice things about old alphas.  They were designed to A run for a decade or more, and they usually do.  VMS is one of the F least-bloated operating systems around, and doesn't mind old hardware.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:13:34 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions $ Message-ID: <bp5jbd$k7k$3@online.de>  
 In articleA <rdeininger-1511030829570001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>, 8 rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:   K > I'll agree with Jeff's recommendations, except for the turbochannel part.  > A > The TC systems are old and relatively slow, but they tend to be H > significantly cheaper.  An alpha hobbyist with a low budget should not > ignore these systems. J > DEC 3000-400, -600, and -700 systems can be found for $25-$50 in workingG > order with enough memory.  These systems are fairly compact and quite L > reliable.  The -800 and -900 models are similar, but are too big and heavy > for many hobbyists.   G The DEC 3000 machines also have METAL CASINGS.  They are robust.  Yes,  F slow by modern standards, but faster than all but the fastest VAXes.  I The DEC 2000 machines are now longer supported for the latest version of  . VMS (note: NOT the ALPHAserver 2000 machines).  K > In these systems, 64 MB is minimal for current versions of VMS, 128 MB is L > comfortable for most tasks, and 256 MB seems luxurious.  When new, many ofI > these systems shipped with 32-64 MB of memory.  The systems take memory I > not used anywhere else, so try to buy a system with the memory you need  > already included.   I I felt really lucky when a nice chap gave me a 3000/600 with 192 MB (and  C two SCSI controllers) a few years ago.  In fact, I'm using it now,  C running DECwindows on a beautiful huge DEC monitor.  (I'm actually  I logged in to my main cluster 500 km away---both locations have DSL---and  ) am accessing the news server from there.)   K > Any of the older alphas work well with early Storageworks SCSI equipment, G > which is obtainable cheaply.  BA350, BA356, and BA353 enclosures with J > compatible storageworks disks are all fine provided you obtain the right	 > cables.   ? You do have to be careful about which disks will work in which  I enclosures, though.  You can't use wide disks in a narrow enclosure, and  @ 4 GB disks might generate too much heat for a BA353 (pizza box).  H > I'd avoid any of the DEC 3000-300 family unless they were VERY cheap. I > These have lower memory bandwidth don't perform as well.  The exception I > would be someone looking for a "portable" VMS system -- these are among 0 > the smallest alpha systems commonly available.  H I recently bought a DEC 3000/300 for EUR 40 and an ALPHAserver 2000 for A EUR 60.  These are from the same time frame, but the 300 is tiny  H compared to the 2000 (which is actually a little big for home use).  If G you build a cluster, you want to have at least 3 machines, so that you  F can take them down one at a time for upgrades, hardware maintenance.  G Something like a 3000/300 is ideal as a "quorum machine" which doesn't  I have to do much other than sit there.  (Keep in mind, though, that there  G are many tasks which don't require much computing power---running SMTP  D servers, WWW servers etc; no reason to not allow the 300 to do that  stuff in the cluster as well.)  I > That is one of the nice things about old alphas.  They were designed to C > run for a decade or more, and they usually do.  VMS is one of the H > least-bloated operating systems around, and doesn't mind old hardware.  H I recently did a fresh install of VMS 7.3 VAX on a VAX 4000 built about D 1989 or so.  It has 64 MB RAM, which was a lot for those days.  The H installation warned me to make sure I had at least 4, since that is the  minimum for VAX-VMS!     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:32:15 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: Alpha page sizeL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511030733130001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <8arlCqEq9ktN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, , koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org wrote:  5 >In article <13NOV200318414157@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>, 0 carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:@ >> "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes...L >> }Yes.  There were plans for 64kb pages.  And it is quite likely that thisM >> }will happen on IA64, and perhaps on EV7 systems (dunno).  So please don't O >> }hardwire page size knowledge - use the standard interfaces to get the size.  >>  D >> Didn't the Cray systems that used the Alpha use large page sizes? > E >   IIRC, no.  I think they were all EV4 which were 8K only.  In fact G >   I think all the Alpha actually produced were hard-wired to 8K, with > >   the possible exception of not-yet-shipping EV7 generation.  J I'm pretty sure all the EV7s can do 64 kB pages in addition to 8 kB.  ThisC functionality is likely disabled deep down in the firmware, and not % available for use by the OS or users.   @ EV8 would probably have ONLY supported 64 kB pages, and softwareJ development would have been done on EV7 systems with 64 kB pages enabled. " (With modified firmware, clearly.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:09:42 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Alpha page size; Message-ID: <q5ttb.49136$xI2.1395569@news20.bellglobal.com>   D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:jLNsb.8948$2i7.5702@news.cpqcorp.net... > J > Yes.  There were plans for 64kb pages.  And it is quite likely that thisK > will happen on IA64, and perhaps on EV7 systems (dunno).  So please don't M > hardwire page size knowledge - use the standard interfaces to get the size.  > J > In general, we get around needing larger page sizes by using granularityK > hints to reduce TLB useage.  But eventually we will need a PA larger than M > the current 44 bits, one way to do that is with large pages.  Also at those F > huge multi-terabyte memory sizes - a large page size may make sense. >    Good advice.  F While porting from VAX to Alpha, we replaced 512 byte constants with aJ variable initialized using a call to "sys$getsyi" using a "syi$_page_size"? request. Use the following DCL command if you are only curious:   ' $write sys$output f$getsyi("PAGE_SIZE")     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2003 10:15:51 +0100" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>2 Subject: An apology to all the groups I've trolled9 Message-ID: <7DXGCG0637940.4265162037@Gilgamesh-frog.org>   F As you all know I have been trolling the newsgroups furiously for manyJ years now.  As you also know I am shameless, even after I'm exposed I justI keep on trolling and come up with such lame excuses like "It's not really K me, it's someone else! Despite the fact that the headers are identical, and 1 most parts can't be forged, really, it's not me!"   I Well, I'm pathetic like that.  What do you expect from a grown man in his H 40s who still has the mind of a child, who is a complete parasite, livesD with mommy and doesn't work, who spends all day trolling the net andD jerking off?  Well, what can I say, I have a nice mom who changes myF cum-soaked sheets after a good night of trolling and jerking.  NothingK gives me more pleasure than trolling you idiots because you RESPOND!  Plain D and simple.  You keep responding to me so I keep trolling you.  EvenE allegedly educated, supposedly intelligent people can't tell that I'm I trolling the shit out of them.  Even when I make up such obvious trolling I IDs like "Flapping Labias" and "Throbbing Vulvas" (see more below) people 1 still take me seriously!  Is this a hoot or what!   I Now, the only group I take seriously is comp.os.vms.  I don't troll there : (well, just a little).  But groups like rec.travel.air andJ sci.space.shuttle I totally trash because I have no respect for the peopleI in them.  Did you see how I went off at Gregory Morrow the other day when I he dared to respond when I was exposed?  I scolded him real good and told K him to never ever again crosspost anything to comp.os.vms because the truth J is that the people there don't know what I'm up to in the other groups andK I don't want them to find out.  There are still a few morons in comp.os.vms J who take me seriously and think I'm actually some kind of serious computer guy or something.  ROTFL!!!   E So please, if you have a problem with me trolling your groups please, I PLEASE don't ever come after me in comp.os.vms!  If you have something to J tell me come to my house or call me.  Or if you should see fit to call theI insane asylum and have them send out two men in white coats with a strait I jacket to come and get me, you'd be doing me a great favor.  Because only I someone with all my mental illnesses would think the mighty US government J is coming to get him in this backwater shithole of Montreal in a neglectedF has-been French Colony that even the rest of his countrymen don't takeA seriously.  My delusions of grandeur and my paranoia and multiple B personalities get the best of me sometimes.  So here's my address:   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  K Here are some of my favorite trolling personas.  Can you believe the idiots K in the newsgroups actually try to debate seriously with me even when I'm so , obviously a troll??!!  LOL, what Fuckwits!!!  G Well, Ta-Ta for now, got to go think up of some more trolling material. K Oh, and if you see a rabid poster ranting against Bush and the police state 5 he's dictator of, it's not me!  I swear, I really do!    JF Mezei, aka:  $ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> ' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org> etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:12:02 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled3 Message-ID: <3fb5fbf2$0$2777$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   E Tu aurais pu rsumer tout a en ne cross-postant pas ce message dans   comp.os.vms.   Qu'en penses-tu?  & (on peut peut-tre continuer off-line) Amitis,   D.   JF Mezei wrote:    couic    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:45:04 +0800 : From: "Nik" <spamavoid.deletethis.mnjensen@netvigator.com>6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled1 Message-ID: <bp503i$oju13@imsp212.netvigator.com>   H The person who has made this is the bigget shit I have ever in my entireG life come accros. Possibly a person who should have been locked up in a  mental institution.    Nik.    / "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@istop.com> wrote in message 3 news:7DXGCG0637940.4265162037@Gilgamesh-frog.org... H > As you all know I have been trolling the newsgroups furiously for manyL > years now.  As you also know I am shameless, even after I'm exposed I justK > keep on trolling and come up with such lame excuses like "It's not really I > me, it's someone else! Despite the fact that the headers are identical,  and 3 > most parts can't be forged, really, it's not me!"  > K > Well, I'm pathetic like that.  What do you expect from a grown man in his J > 40s who still has the mind of a child, who is a complete parasite, livesF > with mommy and doesn't work, who spends all day trolling the net andF > jerking off?  Well, what can I say, I have a nice mom who changes myH > cum-soaked sheets after a good night of trolling and jerking.  NothingF > gives me more pleasure than trolling you idiots because you RESPOND! Plain F > and simple.  You keep responding to me so I keep trolling you.  EvenG > allegedly educated, supposedly intelligent people can't tell that I'm K > trolling the shit out of them.  Even when I make up such obvious trolling K > IDs like "Flapping Labias" and "Throbbing Vulvas" (see more below) people 3 > still take me seriously!  Is this a hoot or what!  > K > Now, the only group I take seriously is comp.os.vms.  I don't troll there < > (well, just a little).  But groups like rec.travel.air andL > sci.space.shuttle I totally trash because I have no respect for the peopleK > in them.  Did you see how I went off at Gregory Morrow the other day when K > he dared to respond when I was exposed?  I scolded him real good and told G > him to never ever again crosspost anything to comp.os.vms because the  truth L > is that the people there don't know what I'm up to in the other groups andA > I don't want them to find out.  There are still a few morons in  comp.os.vms L > who take me seriously and think I'm actually some kind of serious computer > guy or something.  ROTFL!!!  > G > So please, if you have a problem with me trolling your groups please, K > PLEASE don't ever come after me in comp.os.vms!  If you have something to L > tell me come to my house or call me.  Or if you should see fit to call theK > insane asylum and have them send out two men in white coats with a strait K > jacket to come and get me, you'd be doing me a great favor.  Because only K > someone with all my mental illnesses would think the mighty US government L > is coming to get him in this backwater shithole of Montreal in a neglectedH > has-been French Colony that even the rest of his countrymen don't takeC > seriously.  My delusions of grandeur and my paranoia and multipleoD > personalities get the best of me sometimes.  So here's my address: >e > Jean-Francois Mezei  > 86 Harwood Gatee > Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3? > (514) 695-8259 >iF > Here are some of my favorite trolling personas.  Can you believe the idiotsJ > in the newsgroups actually try to debate seriously with me even when I'm so. > obviously a troll??!!  LOL, what Fuckwits!!! >nI > Well, Ta-Ta for now, got to go think up of some more trolling material.IG > Oh, and if you see a rabid poster ranting against Bush and the policeo statel7 > he's dictator of, it's not me!  I swear, I really do!u >I > JF Mezei, aka: >a& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>l > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>i) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> $ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>a) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>D* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> ' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>e# > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> % > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>u" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>r! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>c& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> # > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>p" > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>I' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>y( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> ' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>r( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>n* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>t) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> ' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>c& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>t* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>_$ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>r( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>'+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>w) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> $ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>o) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>l, > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>l > Q <queue@continuum.net>t > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org> > etc. >r >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:05:57 +0000 . From: Simon Elliott <simon@nospam.demon.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled5 Message-ID: <YF6jUEAlaht$Iwmm@courtlands.demon.co.uk>   @ Comments: This message probably did not originate from the aboveD address. It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail
 services.  -- g
 Simon Elliott> http://www.ctsn.co.uk/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:36:26 -0500r& From: Warren Oates <Warren@InHell.Com>6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolledB Message-ID: <Warren-440B84.07362615112003@nr-tor01.bellnexxia.net>  5 In article <YF6jUEAlaht$Iwmm@courtlands.demon.co.uk>,o0  Simon Elliott <simon@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:  A :Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above E :address. It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mailb :services.     You reckon?o -- t  Looks like more of Texas to me. B ... Arizona, where the nights are warm and the roads are straight.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:00:39 GMTs5 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net>i6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolledA Message-ID: <bkqtb.1487$Rk5.285@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>-   Warren Oates wrote:   7 > In article <YF6jUEAlaht$Iwmm@courtlands.demon.co.uk>,a2 >  Simon Elliott <simon@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote: >SC > :Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above5G > :address. It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail  > :services. >o
 > You reckon?i   Lol.....   --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:07:14 GMT 5 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net>V6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolledA Message-ID: <mqqtb.1492$Rk5.163@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>e   JF Mezei wrote:k  H > As you all know I have been trolling the newsgroups furiously for manyL > years now.  As you also know I am shameless, even after I'm exposed I justK > keep on trolling and come up with such lame excuses like "It's not really.I > me, it's someone else! Despite the fact that the headers are identical,r ands3 > most parts can't be forged, really, it's not me!"a > K > Well, I'm pathetic like that.  What do you expect from a grown man in his-J > 40s who still has the mind of a child, who is a complete parasite, livesF > with mommy and doesn't work, who spends all day trolling the net andF > jerking off?  Well, what can I say, I have a nice mom who changes myH > cum-soaked sheets after a good night of trolling and jerking.  NothingF > gives me more pleasure than trolling you idiots because you RESPOND! PlaincF > and simple.  You keep responding to me so I keep trolling you.  EvenG > allegedly educated, supposedly intelligent people can't tell that I'meK > trolling the shit out of them.  Even when I make up such obvious trollinglK > IDs like "Flapping Labias" and "Throbbing Vulvas" (see more below) peopler3 > still take me seriously!  Is this a hoot or what!V > K > Now, the only group I take seriously is comp.os.vms.  I don't troll theret< > (well, just a little).  But groups like rec.travel.air andL > sci.space.shuttle I totally trash because I have no respect for the peopleK > in them.  Did you see how I went off at Gregory Morrow the other day whenEK > he dared to respond when I was exposed?  I scolded him real good and told G > him to never ever again crosspost anything to comp.os.vms because the  truth3L > is that the people there don't know what I'm up to in the other groups andA > I don't want them to find out.  There are still a few morons inu comp.os.vms>L > who take me seriously and think I'm actually some kind of serious computer > guy or something.  ROTFL!!!/ >dG > So please, if you have a problem with me trolling your groups please,LK > PLEASE don't ever come after me in comp.os.vms!  If you have something totL > tell me come to my house or call me.  Or if you should see fit to call theK > insane asylum and have them send out two men in white coats with a straitoK > jacket to come and get me, you'd be doing me a great favor.  Because onlyoK > someone with all my mental illnesses would think the mighty US governmentkL > is coming to get him in this backwater shithole of Montreal in a neglectedH > has-been French Colony that even the rest of his countrymen don't takeC > seriously.  My delusions of grandeur and my paranoia and multiplevD > personalities get the best of me sometimes.  So here's my address: >  > Jean-Francois MezeiI > 86 Harwood Gate  > Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  > (514) 695-8259 >9F > Here are some of my favorite trolling personas.  Can you believe the idiotsJ > in the newsgroups actually try to debate seriously with me even when I'm so. > obviously a troll??!!  LOL, what Fuckwits!!! >rI > Well, Ta-Ta for now, got to go think up of some more trolling material.wG > Oh, and if you see a rabid poster ranting against Bush and the polices statep7 > he's dictator of, it's not me!  I swear, I really do!p >r > JF Mezei, aka: >m& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>i > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>i$ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>i) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>h$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>y) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>n* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>y) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>P' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>e > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>-# > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>e% > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>v" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>E! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>e& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> # > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>x" > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>t' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>a& > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>r( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>p' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> ( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>r) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>h* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>t) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>D' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>r& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>9* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>e$ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> ( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>p+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>n$ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>o) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> , > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>s > Q <queue@continuum.net>  > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org> > etc.    + http://members.aol.com/TexTater/raccoon.htmi  ' ROASTED RACCOON & SWEET POTATO STUFFINGa; (1966, Womens Day Encyclopedia -- Yum, Yum, Yum, Yum, Yum!)d      1 dressed raccoon, 4 to 5 pounds 4 teaspoons salt 3 cups sweet potatoes, mashedn 3/4 cup seedless raisins 2-1/2 cups soft bread crumbs! 1-3/4 cups apples. peeled & diced  1/4 cup corn syrup# 1/4 cup butter or margarine, melted4 1/4 teaspoon pepperu      K Remove the raccoon's waxy nodules, (commonly referred to as "kernels") fromnH under each front leg and on either side of the spine in the small of theH back. Wash meat thoroughly and dry. Remove part of the fat, leaving justI enough to cover the carcass with a thin layer of fat. Sprinkle 1 teaspoonhE salt inside body. Fill with mixture of 2 teaspoons salt and remaining J ingredients except pepper. Skewer the vent by inserting several toothpicksD through the skin from side to side. Lace with string, tying the endsH securely. Fasten both the forelegs and the hind legs with toothpicks andH string. If there are any lean parts on the outside of the body, fasten aK small piece of the surplus fat to this part with a toothpick. Sprinkle withtL remaining salt and the pepper. Put on side on greased rack in shallow bakingH pan and roast in preheated slow oven (325 degrees F.) for 45 minutes per3 pound.  Turn when half done. Makes 6 to 8 servings..  K RACCOON OR COON -- A North American carnivorous mannal found throughout the H United States and on the Pacific Coast from Alaska to South America. The@ common raccoon is a heavily built animal, about three feet long,J blackish-gray in color with a pointed snout and a bushy tail striped blackL and white. It makes its home in trees, descending at night to feed, often onK the banks of ponds and streams. Raccoons feed on a great variety of things,eD including fruits, green corn, fish, frogs, birds, small animals, andL occasionally poultry. Racoons are related to the South American Kinkajou and the Asian panda.  K Much used for food during America's pioneer days, they are still consideredtK good game by many people. The meat is dark and the fat strong in flavor andnH odor. A dressed animal without head or feet weighs from five to fourteenI pounds. Roasting is the preferred method of cooking young raccoons. Older L ones should be braised or stewed. To improve the flavor of a dressed raccoonK and to remove some of the gamy taste, the dressed carcass should be wrappedaB tightly in wax paper and refrigerated from four to seven days at a+ temperature near 35 degrees F. as possible.   L Caloric Value - 3.5 oz. roasted = 255 calories or about 1/2 cup. That's justG the raccoon -- doesn't include the stuffing.  Way too high in calories,rL don't you think? Not to mention the gobs of fat. That would be my excuse for not eating it.    % ALTERNATE STUFFING RECIPE FOR RACCOONi  / (Woman's Day gets the credit for this one also)s    ' 3 large sweet potatoes, 1/2 cup raisinsn-   boiled, peeled & mashed bunch celery leaves.; 2 cups day old bread, crumbled 2 tablespoons pecans, groundn3 1 cup apples, peeled & diced 1/4 cup butter, meltedk 1/4 cup sorghum   J Combine all ingredients and STUFF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  To decorate:J Pipe sweet potatoes around meat using a large star-tipped pastry bag.  Why! not just cover him up completely?r       OPOSSUM WITH SWEET POTATOESh# (Encyclopedia of American Cookbook)e    5 1 opossum, cleaned & dressed 3 green peppers, choppeds5 salt to taste 4 large sweet potatoes, peeled & slicedt 3 red peppers, chopped  J Combine salt, peppers and 4 cups of water in saucepan; simmer until liquidI is reduced by half. Combine opossum with pan liquid and sweet potatoes inwI baking pan. Bake at 350 degrees F. for 1 hour or until opussum is tender,e basting occasionally.e    F Apparently they like this stuff in Kentucky. Here's a recipe for BakedF Possum and Sweet Potatoes. Here's Gertrude's Possum and Sweet PotatoesH recipe from Virginia.  Here's a Mississippi recipe for Possum and TatersH from the Possum Cookbook.  Ewwwwwwww.  The thought of one recipe for theL critter is revolting enough, let along a whole cookbook of them. And, if allI this isn't enough, here is a Louisiana recipe for Baked Raccoon With Yamst from NetCooks -- Enjoy!m  G "Disclaimer: The author of this page cannot be held responsible for any'E injuries, indigestion, vomiting, mild intestinal disorders, alienatednL friends and relatives, or P.O.'d animal rights groups resulting from the useH of these recipes. If you actually use any of these recipes, please don't write me to tell me about it."   THAT'S ALL"    </>    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:52 GMTw5 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net>u6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolledA Message-ID: <Qsqtb.1496$Rk5.902@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>-  
 Nik wrote:    J > The person who has made this is the bigget shit I have ever in my entireI > life come accros. Possibly a person who should have been locked up in al > mental institution.n    I Naw...all this is OLD stuff, Nik (at least here on rec.travel.air)...it's7J *nothing* compared to the old days in rta when JF and Ellen would get into
 "it"......   -- t Best Greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:00:22 -0500 & From: "Chris Moore" <just@my.twocents>F Subject: Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.3-1 and DECamds V7.3-2; Message-ID: <LXstb.21320$IK2.1631969@news20.bellglobal.com>E  L lol.... sounds good, but around here, it seems the systems have to serve the, network, not the other (correct) way 'round.    9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagei' news:87u1561gig.fsf@prep.synonet.com...a* > "Chris Moore" <just@my.twocents> writes: >vE > > We were promised an extension to this product at least 2, maybe 3uE > > years ago that would permit it to be run on a switched and routedo; > > network without the "proprietary protocol" requirement.T >eC > That is no network protocol, witch is the entire point. AMDS willfF > function when all your networking and the like are all up the spout. >5 >B; > > Since the network boys won't enable forwarding of these A > > "unrecognized" packets, we have had to forego using this veryhD > > valuable tool across our multiple-site, 25+ system installation. >lB > They just need to be told that they either do it, or walk. ThereB > are plenty of good network people looking for work, no reason to > out up with clueless idiots. >o > --  > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.mB >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:28:12 +0100b" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system disk 3 Message-ID: <3fb5d58c$0$2790$626a54ce@news.free.fr>t   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:b  [ > In article <3fb521e8$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:l >  >>Daryl Jones wrote: >> >>I >>>One more thing to do is to make the system disk a read-only disk. This 2 >>>makes the split of the system disk much easier. >>@ >>You'll tell us then how would VMS do hard paging and swapping? >  > 5 > On some other disk, of course.  What's the problem?e) yeah. Correct. Forgot about that. Thanks.d  K >>Just try to do an ANA/DISK/REP/NOCON of sys$sysdevice (which writes lock l7 >>it) and you'll see how many error messages you get...  >  > G > Not many.  I've done it quite a few times.  It doesn't write lock then > disk.  Just the file system. q  . Got confused with DISKQUOTA REBUILD, probably.  ) > You can read and write to the disk justhE > fine.  Just don't try to create, delete, extend, truncate or renameu) > any files and you should be unaffected.r > 2 > Paging does not involve any of those operations.  ? Hard pages fault pagination is performed by the SWAPPER in the . pagefile.sys file, isn't it?   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:29:18 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system diski3 Message-ID: <3fb5d5ce$0$2790$626a54ce@news.free.fr>9   Daryl Jones wrote:  G > I have setup many system disks to have read-only disk activity. TheresG > are known procedures for setting up the system disk as read-only disk-B > w/o hard setting the disk access. A general setup is to have theH > system disk read-only and move the system files that have write ops toD > another disk. Example: You can move the Sysuaf off the disk systemH > disk via logical. Swap file isn't needed, therefore it can be deleted.C > The page file can be removed from the system disk and placed upon3D > another disk granted you have enough memory (This was a problem onD > earlier version of VMS). There are logicals for the network files.A > There are logicals for the Queue Manager Database(VMSFAQ 5.17).t  $ Why not. Never heard of that before. Thanks for the information.m   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2003 00:50:28 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)r- Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system diski= Message-ID: <8a646952.0311150050.78fbc6dc@posting.google.com>K   Dear David J. Dachtera:n  D I am sorry if I offended anyone. It was never my intention to offend/ anyone but to merely inform. Again, I am sorry.t  F My statement after Mr. Charlie Hammond was to clarify how to make sureF the system disk would have "No disk activity" by making it a read-onlyE system disk. Then Mr. Didier Morandi and Mr. John Briggs seem to takevD my statement of making the system disk read-only a little to literalE by suggesting that I was talking about write locking the system disk.rE This is my fault for not being more precise in my writing. Therefore,3@ I further explain loosely how I had done this on several systems mostly clusters.  
 Respectfully,D Daryl Jones    2        ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3FB59AD4.E90B16A2@fsi.net>... > Paul Sture wrote:7 > >  > > Daryl Jones wrote: > > >hd > > > Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fb521e8$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>... > > > > Daryl Jones wrote: > > > >'P > > > > > One more thing to do is to make the system disk a read-only disk. This9 > > > > > makes the split of the system disk much easier.  > > > >gF > > > > You'll tell us then how would VMS do hard paging and swapping?P > > > > Just try to do an ANA/DISK/REP/NOCON of sys$sysdevice (which writes lock= > > > > it) and you'll see how many error messages you get...g > > > >y
 > > > > D. > > >  > > > Dear Sir:h > > >tK > > > I have setup many system disks to have read-only disk activity. TherelK > > > are known procedures for setting up the system disk as read-only diskfF > > > w/o hard setting the disk access. A general setup is to have theL > > > system disk read-only and move the system files that have write ops toH > > > another disk. Example: You can move the Sysuaf off the disk systemL > > > disk via logical. Swap file isn't needed, therefore it can be deleted.G > > > The page file can be removed from the system disk and placed upongH > > > another disk granted you have enough memory (This was a problem onH > > > earlier version of VMS). There are logicals for the network files.E > > > There are logicals for the Queue Manager Database(VMSFAQ 5.17).f > > >  > > K > > So please tell me how I put OPERATOR.LOG, ACCOUNTNG.DAT on other disks.rI > > Not to mention TCP/IP logs and so on (at least without a lot of work,c > > and what about upgrades?)o > > ! > > Enquiring minds wish to know.  > B > While I'm midly amused at Daryl's response to one of the OpenVMSF > Engineers, in direct response to your query, Paul, I would suggest aB > look at SYLOGICALS.COM which explains the OPC$ LNMs. One of them, > describes how to locate the OPCOM log OSD. > A > ACCOUNTNG.DAT? Likewise, or see the on-line HELP or the docset.a > E > I can't speak to UCX (nka TCP/IP Services), but I should think thatsJ > similar provisions are made, even if the documentation is a bit obscure. > , > Multinet and/or TCPware should be similar. >  > To Daryl:  > F > I'd caution that Charlie Hammond is a longtime member of the OpenVMSI > engineering team. So, a degree of respect is due him, to say the least.e > I > That said, if you have knowledge that would benefit the OVMS community,,G > a symposium tech. session would probably be appropriate. I would alsowG > suggest posting a PowerPoint or web page to the web if your situationl > would permit that. >  > To the group:  > J > Ever since I started hacking the OpenVMS boot CDs, I've believed that itH > should be possible to run the bulk of VMS from a RAMdisk while bootingI > from a CD or other RO medium, though the how-to has escaped me to date.aD > For example, the initial load of the boot param.'s poses rather a  > challenge. > - > ...my $0.02, FWIW (probably very little)...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:59:43 -0600l( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)$ Subject: Batch Job Completion status1 Message-ID: <03111510594342@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>a  K I am looking to capture the batch job completion status of a batch job from > inside the batch job while it is executing.  Is this possible?  6 I am looking to do this in a C or FORTRAN application.  H I have tested this using lib$getqui functions and the return code is 2. G However I believe that this is not valid - since the batch job is stilld
 executing.   Is this possible?        J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nb VMS Systems Administratora* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:07:41 +0100r" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: Re: Batch Job Completion status3 Message-ID: <3fb65d5e$0$2804$626a54ce@news.free.fr>6   John Brandon wrote:f  M > I am looking to capture the batch job completion status of a batch job froms- > inside the batch job while it is executing.p  G John, you want to capture the completion status of a not yet completed r
 batch job?  C What did you put into your hot chocolate this morning at breakfast?o   :-)l   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:53:28 -0600l( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)( Subject: Re: Batch Job Completion status1 Message-ID: <03111511532891@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:gO > > I am looking to capture the batch job completion status of a batch job fromO/ > > inside the batch job while it is executing.r > I > John, you want to capture the completion status of a not yet completed s > batch job?   Exactly.  Sounds NUTS?!?  ; I am looking at writing an application to include with the f( LGI$LOGINOUT_CALLOUTS to fetch the code.  	 Refer to @  N http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4493/4493pro_038.html#4493_lginout_chap  H I suspect (wishing) that a completion code exists somewhere in this area of LGI that I can fetch.  E > What did you put into your hot chocolate this morning at breakfast?t   Well, I wish...r     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nr VMS Systems Administratori* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC)aP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: DCL enhancements: (RE)SET many characteristics at once>$ Message-ID: <bp5k67$k7k$4@online.de>  F In my view, unless the purpose itself of a procedure is to change some: characteristics permanently (perhaps something called fromG (SY)LOGIN.COM, for example), it should exit after resetting the status.aF Things can be set with SET TERMINAL, lexical functions like F$SETPRV, G various SET commands (PROTECTION, PREFIX, OUTPUT_RATE etc).  Normally, rG of course, one saves the old value, either using the same command used .F to change it (e.g. F$SETPRV, F$VERIFY) or via F$ENVIRONMENT, F$GETDVI  etc.  7 I think it would be nice if one could do something liket  1   $  SAVE_CHARACTERISTICS = F$ENVIRONMENT("ALL") i  < at the beginning of the procedure and then do something like     $  SET ENVIRONMENT/ALL r  F at the end.  Sure, there are different possible syntaxes, but you get < the idea.  At least, one should be able to do something like  *    $  SAVE_TERMINAL = F$GETDVI("TT","ALL")   and   *    $  SET TERMINAL/OPTIONS='SAVE_TERMINAL'  C Since one can't (yet) do these things, there are two options.  The  G traditional one is to reset everything explicitly before the procedure .F exits, but this is easy to overlook.  The other is to explicitly save I and reset everything at the beginning and end of the procedure, but this cG causes bloat (unless one could do this centrally in a procedure called S by other procedures).   E While I'm thinking about this, why are some terminal characteristics .E available via F$GETDVI("TT") and others via F$GETDVI("SYS$OUTPUT")?  cB Also, why are some of the items for F$GETDVI TT_* and some TT_NO*?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:21:37 GMTr5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)c1 Subject: Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1 L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511030722340001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>  - In article <3fb4dab6$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>,pD vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote:   >Hi, s >e@ >I just saw that there is a driver update for OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3.= >I'm not very happy about the dqdriver-version, because this u= >version (X-26A1) seems to be older than for V7.3-1 (X-35A3). $ >Why is V7.3 and V7.3-1 out of sync?  ? Why would you expect them to be in sync for these two versions?o  J V7.3-1 was released more than a year after V7.3.  V7.3-1 supports systems,9 and thus IDE hardware, than V7.3 does not (and will not).t  H IDE hardware is Evil, Wicked, Mean and Nasty, and virtually always failsF to conform to the spec.  Consequently DQDRIVER is full of special caseI code and is somewhat fragile.  In this situation, changes are ported back>4 to earlier versions only when there is a known need.  @ From the image identifications, these two versions have divergedG significantly in the source code pool.  (Drop the "X-" prefix and treateJ the rest of the ident string as a CMS generation.)  That doesn't mean thatJ one is much older than the other chronologically.  It does mean than extraD work is required to keep the two versions functionally synchronized.  H The images were linked about 2 months apart, which does not seem unusualJ for parallel pathches on different VMS releases.  V7.3 is well into middleH age, and V7.3-1 will tend to get higher priority for patch release work.      -- not-Bobn    	 >eberhardn >f >excerpt from the text: E >====================================================================t! >    ****************************  >       ECO SUMMARY INFORMATIONl! >    ****************************! >l4 >    Kit Name: DEC-AXPVMS-VMS73_DRIVER-V0400--4.PCSI' >    Kit Applies To: OpenVMS ALPHA V7.3t >  >[...] >i/ >      o  [SYS$LDR]SYS$DQDRIVER.EXE (new image)g >e* >         Image Identification Information >v$ >         image name: "SYS$DQDRIVER". >         image file identification:  "X-26A1"= >         image file build identification:  "X9UH-0060010012" 1 >         link date/time:  2-JUL-2003 22:52:09.94.* >         linker identification:  "A11-50"E >====================================================================a > 3 >             ECO NUMBER:     VMS731_DQDRIVER-V0100tC >             PRODUCT:        OpenVMS Alpha OPERATING SYSTEM V7.3-1  >  >[...] >  >p/ >      o  [SYS$LDR]SYS$DQDRIVER.EXE (new image)a >          i* >         Image Identification Information >          e$ >         image name: "SYS$DQDRIVER". >         image file identification:  "X-35A3"= >         image file build identification:  "X9TD-0060030012" 1 >         link date/time: 20-AUG-2003 16:20:53.32l* >         linker identification:  "A11-50"E >====================================================================e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2003 03:54:54 -0800) From: daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson)s1 Subject: Re: IA64 may show some promise - Gartner.= Message-ID: <de4cfd03.0311150354.1418df23@posting.google.com>e  d "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<kNWdnVN2CqbhICiiRVn-vA@metrocast.net>...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB > news:GHbtb.4600$pF1.3633@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...> > > Intel Unveils More Details About Next-Generation Processor > >aI > > When the new processor, code-named Montecito, debuts in 2005, it williN > > include 24 Mbytes of Level 3 cache memory, as well as two cores, each with  > > multithreading capabilities. > K > I'll believe it only if it's solidly confirmed.  The 24 MB is enough of adL > stretch:  it should push the chip over 500 mm^2 (larger than any processorL > Intel has yet shipped, by a significant margin), unless the relative cacheN > density is somehow improved - and the marginal benefit of pushing beyond the4 > 18 MB previously apparently planned will be small. > J > But it's the SMT part that's *really* hard to believe.  It would requireN > *significant* changes to the McKinley/Madison core (clearly, they had enoughL > trouble just getting McKinley out the door without worrying about SMT backG > then, so it's extremely unlikely that it's been quietly sitting there>M > waiting to be used as it was in the P4), and then be used only for a single>I > generation before being replaced by the completely reworked Tanglewood.s > M > It seems far more likely that the 'multi-threading' aspect simply refers toaK > the ability to run a thread on each of Montecito's twin cores.  But we'lla > see. >  > - bill  ) InfoWorld has more information on this...F  < http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/11/14/HNmontecito_1.html  F "Not only is Montecito dual-core, it has massive amounts of cache and,. quite significantly, multithreading," he said.  B "Multithreading allows a single processor to operate like multipleF processors, so with multithreading, a dual-core Montecito would appear: to the operating system to have at least four processors."   Regards< Daniel Gustafsson># http://developer.mimer.se/downloadsa   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:21:05 GMTy@ From: "Johan Nilsson" <johan.nilssson@---.kiruna.mail.telia.com>" Subject: Re: InfoServer and DLT VS4 Message-ID: <B_ntb.33754$mU6.108326@newsb.telia.net>  < "Clay M. Denton" <denton@orison.dsserv.com> wrote in message2 news:id6arvketvna3u5a069avdrgunnu9ca08j@4ax.com...G > You might need to set a jumper to force single-ended mode, as not ally drives negotiate > down properly.  J Strange thing is, that it worked when directly connected to one of our PWS: machines. Might indicate InfoServer - DLT incompatibility.   >eE > Note that you cannot possibly stream a DLT VS tape drive through an  Infoserver.  You willSH > get extraordinarily slow throughput, and the drive will beat itself to death stopping,@I > rewinding and starting again.  You might hang this off of a host system< and use rmt or > something.  G Sounds like bad news; we were considering to use the DLT for standalonerL backup through the InfoServer (replacement for our ever so unreliable DATs).G Is there any possibility to use a non-local DLT for standalone backups?c   Thanks for your reply.   // Johan   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:55:42 GMTn5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)t# Subject: Re: Main memory for galaxyFL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511030756410001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <5Bgtb.31549$Vu6.19249@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote:a  K >I think that this is dependant on the hardware that you are running Galaxyo >on. >e- >ES40/45's do not have an Hswitch equivalent.o   ES45 does not do Galaxy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:54:34 +0000o From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> # Subject: Re: Main memory for galaxys) Message-ID: <3FB63019.4D00AE27@Omond.net>t   Martin Vorlaender wrote:   > [... snip ...]F > >  Paul:  What exactly is GCU?  I am not familiar with that Acronym. >g > Galaxy Configuration Utility.r > F > A graphical (DWmotif) application that shows the partitioning of the  > machine. Drap-and-drop CPUs... >a$ > It resides in SYS$EXAMPLES:, IIRC.  ) Small correction: it's Sys$System:GCU.Exe  at least in VMS 7.3-1.  	 Roy Omond. Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2003 07:43:14 -0800# From: meltie@myrealbox.com (meltie)r Subject: MicroVAX/Infoserver= Message-ID: <93395b50.0311150743.798b18bd@posting.google.com>-   Hi Guys-  D Antonio Carlini and I (amongst others) were having a conversation onA turning a MicroVAX 3100 into an Infoserver 150 by swapping ROMs -dF Antonio told me that he recalled that there was an simple undocumentedD command or bit fiddle that could be done at the firmware prompt of a> 3100 to get it to load Infoserver software... does anyone else remember this?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:54:07 GMTo5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Save Set Manager L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511030755060001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <trdtb.125451$sd5.15879551@twister.columbus.rr.com>, Jack& Patteeuw <Jack.Patteeuw@nospam> wrote:   >Anyone use it ? >R >Experiences ?  F I've used it on and off for the past 5 years or so.  In my experience, it's boring -- it just works.n  J The command syntax and mode of use differs from BACKUP in ways that I findF non-intuitive.  That makes me refer to on-line help whenever I use it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:54:28 GMTt+ From: lewis@e.thundermaker.net (Spud Demon)m- Subject: TCPIP$IMAP server zombie connections.1 Message-ID: <oJmtb.667$gO3.93801@news.uswest.net>-  K My IMAP server (VMS 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3) is working, but there's a problem.  IoJ use several computers to access it, and a certain one seems to hog all theG connections after running for hours/days.  The culprit is a Powermac G3FJ running MacOS 10.2 and using Mozilla 1.4 to connect to IMAP on the Alpha.   F The G3 tends to go to sleep a lot but hardly ever reboots.  ApparantlyJ when it wakes up, it thinks it needs a new connection, but the Alpha still remembers the old one.    F Is there a way I can make the VMS IMAP server close old connections?    G Side question:  Does TCPIP$IMAP work with SSL?  I'd like to use it overaH 802.11b but I don't trust WEP security so I use Yahmail (https) instead  of IMAP.  L This is a hobbyist box, so I could be using All-in-one instead.  Has anybodyH compared the All-in-one IMAP server (that's the only alternative besides; buying Multinet, right?) to the one which comes with TCPIP?e  . --Spud Demon		spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:25:10 GMTP! From: slaX0r <slaX0r@example.com>e Subject: VMS BBS??? < Message-ID: <WOptb.17193$w66.369341@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   Hi all,p  E I'm a sort-of VMS hobbyist using simh. I say sort-of because my only  D experience with VMS was about 10 years ago as a user. I'm learning,  though! <g>   H I'm looking for any BBS software for VMS. Does anyone know of any? I've I seen references to the DFWLUG BBS, but no mention of their software, and lH they seem to be defunct. I'd love to bring a real VMS BBS online, so if # anyone can help, I'd appreciate it!a   Thanks,n slaX0r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:56:24 +0100t" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: VMS BBS??? 3 Message-ID: <3fb63e99$0$2779$626a54ce@news.free.fr>e  
 slaX0r wrote:   	 > Hi all,o > G > I'm a sort-of VMS hobbyist using simh. I say sort-of because my only mF > experience with VMS was about 10 years ago as a user. I'm learning, 
 > though! <g>  > J > I'm looking for any BBS software for VMS. Does anyone know of any? I've K > seen references to the DFWLUG BBS, but no mention of their software, and oJ > they seem to be defunct. I'd love to bring a real VMS BBS online, so if % > anyone can help, I'd appreciate it!a   BBS? Bulletin Board System?e VMSNotes (on the Freeware CD)    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:13:05 GMTi! From: slaX0r <slaX0r@example.com>k Subject: Re: VMS BBS???u> Message-ID: <R0utb.117379$jW5.1481114@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:d > BBS? Bulletin Board System?k > VMSNotes (on the Freeware CD)b >  > D. >   C Sorry, yes. Bulletin Board System. Where can I find VMSNotes? I've rI searched on the VMS Freeware sites and can't find it anywhere. I've also d# checked HP's Freeware CD v4 and v5.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:40:52 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: VMS Defragmentation Software 0 Message-ID: <00A28EF5.CD8A8A02@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <bp34ce$bqa$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:e {...snip...}L >My point is not whether a company has a right to charge a person every timeI >they add a CPU to their machine or whatever, it's that if you get into arM >situation like that it may become a hassle down the road, and people who aret8 >considering purchasing software should weigh that fact. > 8 >Hassle, hassle, hassle, hassle, hassle, hassle, hassle. >Raxco = hassle. >i >Get it?  I Do you slander DEComHPaq when they charge you more for an additional CPU?g  J Do you slander DEComHPaq when they charge you more for another/different/- upgraded CPU or system?e  I Software has nearly always (traditionally) been licensed for one's use onoJ the original system configuration it was licensed for use upon.  If you orI the original poster changes the configuration it changes the terms of thee original license agreement.   H There's no more hassle with Raxco software than with DEComHPaq software.H Call the support numbers at either and tell them you have or will be up-H grading a configuration and get a new license key and, if necessary, payI the additional licensing fees.  I suppose you're one of those that steals.I cable/satellite TV services too and believes that's OK too???  "Yes, yourdJ honor.  I merely UPGRADED my converter box with a new bit of firmwarez.  IK shouldn't be charged more by the cable company because the firmwarez allowsa@ me access to more channels than I've originally contracted for." -- nL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" h   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2003 05:40:23 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Web VT Emulation = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0311150540.4dea0cee@posting.google.com>a  r fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679fb.0311140704.b4faa2d@posting.google.com>... > Dear Sirso > < > Do u know a good plug-in to emulate VTs under IExplorer ? G > I am interested to generate reports (.lis) in the VT and show them ina= > PDF format in the PC for printing in the Windows printer ? l? > Like using some escape sequences from the VT to the browser.  D > May be using Sanface txt2pdf to generate a view for these jobs  !  >  >  > Anyone tried it ?a > 	 > Regards@ >  > FC   there is a vms demo here ...  ( http://ebusiness.ericom.com/indexOcx.asp   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:26:14 GMTr5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)>- Subject: Re: What is "TCPIP Client for VMS" ?rL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511030727120001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <vr9vreq7jiru30@news.supernews.com>, "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> wrote:a  G >You would think, in 2003, that OpenVMS comes with this all integrated.   F Yes, the license prices are too high from a competitive point of view.  J New VMS systems are bundled with either a NAS package or EIP, depending on the configuration.  2 >TCPIP is a standard in pretty much every other OSF >When you think how much you pay for OVMS base license - typically VMS >systems are servers6 >everything involved in networking SHOULD be included.. >One more reason VMS is losing market share... >gH >If you could see how many TCPIP/Decnet/Moif Kits we buy from Compaq per >month.   J Can't you buy the NAS/EIP packages?  Last time I checked, that was cheaper4 than getting a bunch of individual product licenses.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2003 14:16:28 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)e5 Subject: Re: xscreenserver makevms.com compile errorsl! Message-ID: <WH7EwxfxA$Kv@sinead>e  > In article <5bcc5f24.0311141314.3c423162@posting.google.com>, * prsobottke@aep.com (Phil Sobottke) writes:G > I'm trying to get xscreensaver to work on my dec433au machine runningyC > vms 7.3-1 and when I try to run the compiler makevms.com, I get ai  > bunch of the following errors: > H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  > An example command is: > T > $ CC/DECC/PREFIX=ALL/DEFINE=(VMS,HAVE_CONFIG_H,STANDALONE)/INCL=([],[-],[-.UTILS])
 > XLOCKMORE.C  >  > What am I doing wrong?   Try:   $ set verify $ @makevms.com  O to see what DCL verb is undefined. If CC is not defiend, you must install DEC C O compiler. However, you have binaries included in the kit (either executables orwL object files and libraries to relink) if you trust binaries found on the Net :-)    Patricks --O ===============================================================================dN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:34:08 GMTh4 From: "Phillip R Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net>5 Subject: Re: xscreenserver makevms.com compile errorsc@ Message-ID: <APqtb.10177$P%1.9092322@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>  F Where do I obtain the Dec C compiler?  (Is it on it's own CD, or is it- located on one of the distribution kit cd's.)   C If I used the binaries in the kit, how would I go about getting thes installation to work?eG "Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40" <pmoreau@ath.cena.fr>h, wrote in message news:WH7EwxfxA$Kv@sinead...? > In article <5bcc5f24.0311141314.3c423162@posting.google.com>,r, > prsobottke@aep.com (Phil Sobottke) writes:I > > I'm trying to get xscreensaver to work on my dec433au machine runninghE > > vms 7.3-1 and when I try to run the compiler makevms.com, I get a " > > bunch of the following errors: > >oJ > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > >  > > An example command is: > >  > > $dL CC/DECC/PREFIX=ALL/DEFINE=(VMS,HAVE_CONFIG_H,STANDALONE)/INCL=([],[-],[-.UTI LS]) > > XLOCKMORE.C  > >y > > What am I doing wrong? >  > Try: >t > $ set verify > $ @makevms.com >lK > to see what DCL verb is undefined. If CC is not defiend, you must installn DEC CtB > compiler. However, you have binaries included in the kit (either executables orJ > object files and libraries to relink) if you trust binaries found on the Net  > :-)P >U	 > PatrickT > -- >hL ============================================================================ ===pH > pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)r6 > moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J > CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __K > BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__|u |  |K > 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  |i |__|" > http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/" http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/ > L ============================================================================ ===e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.634 ************************pe for theL critter is revolting enough, let along a whole cookbook of them. And, if allI this isn't enough, here is a Louisiana recipe for Baked Raccoon With Yamst from NetCooks -- Enjoy!m  G "Disclaimer: The author of this page cannot be held responsible for any'E injuries, indigestion, vomiting, mild intestinal disorders, alienatednL friends and relatives, or P.O.'d animal rights groups resulting from the useH of these recipes. If you a