1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 17 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 637       Contents: Re: A sort of a "me too" Re: A sort of a "me too" Re: A sort of a "me too" Alpha Roadmap promises... - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled - Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled  Re: AS1000A 5/300 memory$ Re: Backups and shadowed system disk$ Re: Backups and shadowed system disk& Could this be the future itanium core?4 DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE8 Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE! Re: Did you really write this JF? , Re: Fonts for printing from a decwindows app, Re: Fonts for printing from a decwindows app5 Re: JF Mezei - Furry Raccoon metaphor for Hairy Dick?  JF Mezei fucks up!' Re: JF Mezei fucks up, exposes himself! ' Re: JF Mezei fucks up, exposes himself! & Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?& Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?% Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? % Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? % Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? % Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? % Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? % Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? % Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? % Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? < Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? [re: "No-mind" Nescio]' Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? _ ' Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? _ & Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_ Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary # Re: [ASOVMS V7.3-2] What licenses ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:50:10 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> ! Subject: Re: A sort of a "me too" + Message-ID: <3FB7D5D1.74E80816@pacbell.net>    Carl Perkins wrote:  > J > Well, it's happened to me too - today was my last day at my current job. > L > I may or may not be working with VMS at my next job (since I havn't got itL > yet, I don't know), and so I may or may not be hanging around here so much > in the future. > < > It's been fun and interesting, at least a lot of the time. > 
 > --- Carl  E Good luck Carl. Your comments were always thoughtful and appreciated.    --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:10:28 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: A sort of a "me too" ) Message-ID: <3FB7E7C2.103BA515@istop.com>    John Smith wrote: I > HP needs to hire some VMS marketing people. Call Rich Marcello and Mark M > Gorham and see if you can get the job. No offense to you, but anybody could 8 > do a better job than the people currently in the role.  L That is not fair to the people who are there right now. If you are preventedI from your superiors from doing a good marketing of VMS, then no amount of  competence will help.   H Having said this, I think that VMS management are just like white fluffyL sheep, scared shitless of people likle Stallard, Blackmore and Carly and who5 do not want to rock the boat for fear of being fired.   E What VMS needs is a black sheep to rock the boat and show the "enemy" B (stallard and freinds) that marketing VMS is good for the company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:27:50 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: A sort of a "me too" ' Message-ID: <3FB81605.8A51B698@fsi.net>    Carl Perkins wrote:  > J > Well, it's happened to me too - today was my last day at my current job. > L > I may or may not be working with VMS at my next job (since I havn't got itL > yet, I don't know), and so I may or may not be hanging around here so much > in the future. > < > It's been fun and interesting, at least a lot of the time.  A My suggestion: view it as a new challenge. You're still part of a E world-wide brotherhood, and you've added another part of the group to C that: victims of "unmarketing", as "stealth marketing" is sometimes  called.   H Many of us still stand at your side, more staunchly now than El Cid into battle.   F Stand firm. Someday, the Galaxy will be towed into light speed againstF its wishes, at which time the undreamed of will become the inevitable.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:43:38 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Alpha Roadmap promises...) Message-ID: <3FB819AA.72A739BA@istop.com>   . As seen on the front page of the VMS web site:   " G In support of its Adaptive Enterprise strategy, HP now delivers on its  L AlphaServer roadmap promise by  introducing two new server models as well asC new releases of the OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX operating environments.   "   E Talk about unbelievable gobbledeegook. VMS was never mentioned in the M "Adaptive Enterprise" presentation. And HP has just confirmed it has renegged K on its promises for the Alpha roadmap. So that paragraphs is really rubbing  salt into the wound.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:06:08 +0100 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled: Message-ID: <bp8i03$1l1oje$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  - Granted. Let's put an end to this discussion.   1 "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> schreef in bericht . news:3fb7c780$0$10438$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > H Vlems wrote: > L > > Oui: m%rde, c'est en fait le mot propre. Je crois que ces communicationsH > > dans c.o.v. sont vraiment ecrit par JF (le vrai JF). Par contre, les autresL > > textes sont probablement ecrit par un ennemi de lui. Si je comprend bien laK > > situation, votre support etait justifi. Tu as lui tlphon: qu'est-ce  > > qu'etait son raction? > I > Il tait 9h du matin l-bas  Montral (un peu tt, je l'avoue, pour un H > samedi :-) et je n'ai pas pu lui parler mais... je ne continue pas iciF > car le reste relve du domaine de la vie prive and having a chat inI > French (even from a Swiss with a Dutch about a Canadian) in a technical ( > english-spoken forum is not that fair! >  > D. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:52:47 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled4 Message-ID: <3fb7c780$0$10438$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   H Vlems wrote:  J > Oui: m%rde, c'est en fait le mot propre. Je crois que ces communicationsM > dans c.o.v. sont vraiment ecrit par JF (le vrai JF). Par contre, les autres M > textes sont probablement ecrit par un ennemi de lui. Si je comprend bien la I > situation, votre support etait justifi. Tu as lui tlphon: qu'est-ce  > qu'etait son raction?  H Il tait 9h du matin l-bas  Montral (un peu tt, je l'avoue, pour un G samedi :-) et je n'ai pas pu lui parler mais... je ne continue pas ici  E car le reste relve du domaine de la vie prive and having a chat in  H French (even from a Swiss with a Dutch about a Canadian) in a technical & english-spoken forum is not that fair!   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:21:42 -0000 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>! Subject: Re: AS1000A 5/300 memory : Message-ID: <bp8tv8$1jemb1$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   Dan, Everyone,  I EV5 systems use 4 SIMMS because they do QUADword ECC and there are enough  bits in 4 SIMMS to do this. J EV4 systems need the 5th SIMM because they do LONGword ECC for which there are NOT enough bits in 4 SIMMS. G It is NOTHING to do with clock speed, 1000 .vs. 1000A, or anthing else. < There was a recent thread somewhere that clarified all this.     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/    2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:6.0.0.22.2.20031115231334.01ef9f40@raptor.psccos.com...G > I think the models earlier than the 5/300 took 5 SIMMs, and the 5/300 H > and later take 4.  I would guess that when using 4, it pretty much hasL > to be parity, but I want to make sure.  I checked out the link you showed,K > and interestingly enough, some options are 5, some are 4.  I downloaded & G > printed the PDF for the 1000A, hopefully I can get some clarification  > there. > - > At 11:13 PM 11/15/2003, Dan O'Reilly wrote: 3 > >At 10:07 PM 11/15/2003, koskaj@bender.com wrote: L > >> >From:  SMTP%"dano@process.com"  "Dan O'Reilly" 15-NOV-2003 23:24:53.40! > >> >Subj:  AS1000A 5/300 memory  > >> >J > >> >Looking for anybody "in the know" regarding AS1000A 5/300 memory.  I know7 > >> >it's 72-pin, 70ns, FPM.  But is it parity or not?  > >> > >>Try the following link:  > >> > L >>http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as1000aev5/as1000aev5_1_opti ons_sorted.html#OptListHead  > >>G > >>I believe it is not parity, since you need the 5th memory stick for  parity. F > >>I could be wrong, but I am sure someone will reply with definitive answer.  > >>K > >>I got 256 megs (5 X 64megs) from Pioneer about a year ago for $480.00 .  > >>
 > >>:) jck > >>John Koska > >>Matthew Bender & Co., Inc.# > >>JKoska@nospam.bender.nospam.com  > >> > >> >Thanks in advance! > >> > > >> >------ > >>K >+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ I > >> >| Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in  this |L > >> >| Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary | ? > >> >| Process Software              |   and those who don't."  | ' > >> >| http://www.process.com        |  |  > >>K >+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+  > >> > > >> > > > 	 > >------  > K >+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ K > >| Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this  | I > >| Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary  | < > >| Process Software              |   and those who don't." | $ > >| http://www.process.com        | |  > K >+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+  >  >      --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:30:17 -0000 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>- Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system disk : Message-ID: <bp8tv8$1jemb1$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>  D "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message7 news:8a646952.0311141430.4bfc871d@posting.google.com...  >  > Dear Sir:  > G > I have setup many system disks to have read-only disk activity. There G > are known procedures for setting up the system disk as read-only disk B > w/o hard setting the disk access. A general setup is to have theH > system disk read-only and move the system files that have write ops toD > another disk. Example: You can move the Sysuaf off the disk systemH > disk via logical. Swap file isn't needed, therefore it can be deleted.C > The page file can be removed from the system disk and placed upon D > another disk granted you have enough memory (This was a problem onD > earlier version of VMS). There are logicals for the network files.A > There are logicals for the Queue Manager Database(VMSFAQ 5.17).  >  > Good Luck 
 > Daryl Jones    Daryl,  L However much you are able to move off the system disk, the one file that youL CANNOT move that WILL be written to by the OS under certain circumstances is SYS$BASE_IMAGE. L It is NOT POSSIBLE to create (with released software) a VMS system disk that will NEVER be written to. F I cannot say the same about a hypothetical future version that may (ifH engineering chooses) be able to operate correctly from a write protected disk.      -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:01:24 -0500 - From: Furry Raccoon <F.Racoon@wilderness.org> - Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system disk . Message-ID: <3FB801BB.815B62DC@wilderness.org>   John Travell wrote: N > However much you are able to move off the system disk, the one file that youN > CANNOT move that WILL be written to by the OS under certain circumstances is > SYS$BASE_IMAGE.   L At what frequency is that file updated ? Does that file have some form of anE index, or is it simply the matter of updating a specific disk block ?   G What information is contained in the dynamic information stored in that N base$image ? Can this cause a system to fail to boot, or is the worst that canL happen is the system, upon booting, doesn't see some bit indicating a properP shutdown and then proceeds to do mount verification/rebuild of the system disk ?  N > It is NOT POSSIBLE to create (with released software) a VMS system disk that > will NEVER be written to.   I How do they handle Alphas to boot VMS from CD ?  Or is that really just a J glorified standalone backup system that isn't called "standalone backup" ?   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2003 12:21:43 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Could this be the future itanium core? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0311161221.7e1b3296@posting.google.com>   3 found this on the inquirer ... is this what itanium  will end up looking like?   B "My layman's hope would be to try something: look at the Alpha EV8F diagram - a beautiful 8-way superscalar CPU made to sustain that rate.E With Intel's top semicon technology, and the ability to pack zillions C of transistors with ultrawide internal buses, imagine that a 32-bit E single instruction slot on the EV-8 diagram is replaced by a 128-bit, F 3 instruction bundle. Why this? Well, the compilers could take care of< intra-bundle instruction scheduling, as well as a portion of@ inter-bundle scheduling. But the final out-of-order inter-bundleD scheduling would be done at runtime within a (very complex, I guess)E out-of-order unit in such CPU. So, you'd be out-of-order processing 8 C bundles per clock instead of 8 32-bit instructions per clockl Then, F add the EV9 vector unit and its 16 PC1200 Rambus channels, and you got
 a winner."   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2003 17:30:48 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)= Subject: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0311161730.92cca90@posting.google.com>   Hello VMS-ers,   ATTN: Guy Peleg!    F I'd like to see an error message when you open the same logical name a second time:   $ OPEN FOO FILE.TMP  .  .  .  $ OPEN FOO OTHER.TMP  D I'd like to see an error message for this saying that FOO is already pointing to FILE.TMP.      For    $ DEFINE/SYS/EXEC LNM EQUIV   D when you don't have sufficient privilege to define an executive modeB logical name, I'd like to see an error message that says you don'tB have privilege to do it and that it is being created in supervisorF mode. Otherwise you can get into trouble by not having the appropriate privilige turned on.  B I am running MicroVAX systems, some with VMS v6.1, others with VMS v6.2.     A And severe error for a problem with an IF statement or the like.       Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:44:36 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE ) Message-ID: <3FB827F0.6457B6DF@istop.com>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > $ OPEN FOO FILE.TMP  > $ OPEN FOO OTHER.TMP > F > I'd like to see an error message for this saying that FOO is already > pointing to FILE.TMP.   K This might break existing procedures though. (unless the error message is a K success message which means that no "ON ERROR/WARNING" would be triggered.)   H Another option would be to add some qualifier for OPEN to request such a& message if the file is already opened.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:26:42 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>* Subject: Re: Did you really write this JF?< Message-ID: <ClWtb.3535$tP4.562539@twister.southeast.rr.com>  L Since I started this, I am now respectfully asking this to end.  Please keep c.o.v out of it.   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><    SpyderByte.com  EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org $ EnterpriseLinux.org  |  LinuxHPC.org ShannonKnowHPC.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:07:46 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: Fonts for printing from a decwindows app ) Message-ID: <3FB7E721.CE2BED05@istop.com>    Robert Deininger wrote: K > Any application, including a X-windows component, can access VMS printing : > mechanisms through the same published API that DCL uses.  F The problem is that there are missing features in VMS, for instance, aL standard, documented, directory where postscript fonts can be stored so thatM an application can embed those into its output. And VMS lacks support for PPD C files, which could be used for both the printing portion as well as % application generation of postscript.   H And the printing queue system lacks a simple mechanism to indicate to anI application the type of printer attached to that queue. (yes, I know that L there would be issues with qeneric queues pointed to multiple printer types,K but I am sure the VMS engineers could find a way to solve that, that is why  they are paid the big bucks).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:50 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>5 Subject: Re: Fonts for printing from a decwindows app T Message-ID: <craigberry-E2198F.17595016112003@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  = In article <3FB73BAA.7635B725@informatik.med.uni-giessen.de>, A  Roland Mainz <roland.mainz@informatik.med.uni-giessen.de> wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote: 1 >> (note that Mozilla hasn't been ported to VAX).  > I > Just curious: Would it be possible to port it (I guess we would need an > > assember hacker for the XPConnect stuff and a decent ISO C++ > compiler...) ?  D Of course it's possible.  It would also be possible for all the new H Mozilla releases to support Mac OS 9 or even 68k Macs, or Windows 95 or B Linux with a kernel version less than 2.2.  But just because it's G possible doesn't mean it makes sense to invest the resources required,  E and in fact none of the platforms listed is supported anymore by new  E Mozilla releases. VAX production ended about three years ago after a  E decade-long transition to Alpha.  There are a lot of VAXen still out  F there doing very important tasks (generally more important tasks than H web browsing), and they perform the tasks they were designed to do very C well, but it's not reasonable to expect them to run all the newest  	 software.   A But the feasibility of porting the XPConnect library is really a  F separate issue, and might well be manageable for the relatively small F audience that might be interested.  The compiler is available, so how D hard the port would be really depends on what other assumptions are C being made.  The need for an "assembler hacker" doesn't bode well,   though.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:50:08 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> > Subject: Re: JF Mezei - Furry Raccoon metaphor for Hairy Dick?8 Message-ID: <45691e89581e2efc0c70f889cb9cc508@dizum.com>  ) Message-ID: <3FB827F0.6457B6DF@istop.com> * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms A Subject: Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE < References: <b096a4ee.0311161730.92cca90@posting.google.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 12 % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:44:36 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069033349 64.230.46.34 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003
 20:42:29 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:42:29 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > $ OPEN FOO FILE.TMP  > $ OPEN FOO OTHER.TMP > F > I'd like to see an error message for this saying that FOO is already > pointing to FILE.TMP.   K This might break existing procedures though. (unless the error message is a K success message which means that no "ON ERROR/WARNING" would be triggered.)   H Another option would be to add some qualifier for OPEN to request such a& message if the file is already opened.                  ----------   . Message-ID: <3FB801BB.815B62DC@wilderness.org>- From: Furry Raccoon <F.Racoon@wilderness.org> * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms - Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system disk = References: <1dafe751.0311121151.115b54f2@posting.google.com> ( <3fb29367$0$13304$626a54ce@news.free.fr>& <5pxsb.8911$XD6.1344@news.cpqcorp.net>1 <8a646952.0311140858.4ba3b6a6@posting.google.com> ( <3fb521e8$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>1 <8a646952.0311141430.4bfc871d@posting.google.com> . <bp8tv8$1jemb1$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 18 % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:01:24 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069023569 64.230.46.34 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003
 17:59:29 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:29 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   John Travell wrote: N > However much you are able to move off the system disk, the one file that youN > CANNOT move that WILL be written to by the OS under certain circumstances is > SYS$BASE_IMAGE.   I At what frequency is that file updated ? Does that file have some form of  anE index, or is it simply the matter of updating a specific disk block ?   G What information is contained in the dynamic information stored in that J base$image ? Can this cause a system to fail to boot, or is the worst that can E happen is the system, upon booting, doesn't see some bit indicating a  properI shutdown and then proceeds to do mount verification/rebuild of the system  disk ?  N > It is NOT POSSIBLE to create (with released software) a VMS system disk that > will NEVER be written to.   I How do they handle Alphas to boot VMS from CD ?  Or is that really just a J glorified standalone backup system that isn't called "standalone backup" ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:40:07 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: JF Mezei fucks up! 8 Message-ID: <84f063f0e46b26fc475db642d8033a40@dizum.com>  K Posts as "Furry Raccoon" in comp.os.vms which is one of his r.t.a. trolling > aliases after forgetting to change his trolling identity back.  . Message-ID: <3FB801BB.815B62DC@wilderness.org>- From: Furry Raccoon <F.Racoon@wilderness.org> * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms - Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system disk = References: <1dafe751.0311121151.115b54f2@posting.google.com> ( <3fb29367$0$13304$626a54ce@news.free.fr>& <5pxsb.8911$XD6.1344@news.cpqcorp.net>1 <8a646952.0311140858.4ba3b6a6@posting.google.com> ( <3fb521e8$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>1 <8a646952.0311141430.4bfc871d@posting.google.com> . <bp8tv8$1jemb1$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 18 % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:01:24 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069023569 64.230.46.34 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003
 17:59:29 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:29 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   John Travell wrote: N > However much you are able to move off the system disk, the one file that youN > CANNOT move that WILL be written to by the OS under certain circumstances is > SYS$BASE_IMAGE.   I At what frequency is that file updated ? Does that file have some form of  anE index, or is it simply the matter of updating a specific disk block ?   G What information is contained in the dynamic information stored in that J base$image ? Can this cause a system to fail to boot, or is the worst that can E happen is the system, upon booting, doesn't see some bit indicating a  properI shutdown and then proceeds to do mount verification/rebuild of the system  disk ?  N > It is NOT POSSIBLE to create (with released software) a VMS system disk that > will NEVER be written to.   I How do they handle Alphas to boot VMS from CD ?  Or is that really just a J glorified standalone backup system that isn't called "standalone backup" ?                 ----------  ) Message-ID: <3FB819AA.72A739BA@istop.com> * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms " Subject: Alpha Roadmap promises...* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 12 % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:43:38 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069029693 64.230.46.34 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003
 19:41:33 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:41:33 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico  . As seen on the front page of the VMS web site:   " G In support of its Adaptive Enterprise strategy, HP now delivers on its  I AlphaServer roadmap promise by  introducing two new server models as well  asC new releases of the OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX operating environments.   "   E Talk about unbelievable gobbledeegook. VMS was never mentioned in the D "Adaptive Enterprise" presentation. And HP has just confirmed it has reneggedK on its promises for the Alpha roadmap. So that paragraphs is really rubbing  salt into the wound.            ----------   J Of course there will still be a few imbeciles who will argue in support ofJ JF Mezei.  No use trying to talk some sense into them, they DESERVE Mezei, they're the same kind.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:30:05 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> 0 Subject: Re: JF Mezei fucks up, exposes himself!8 Message-ID: <232f0ec7c861bd1acc3fb58e0d88ea72@dizum.com>  + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:    >"David J. Dachtera" wrote: J >> Proves nothing, except that someone knows how to hack - or spoof - JF's >> ISP.  > L >Can you please leave this thread alone ? The idiot just wants attention and0 >you are feeding him all the attention he wants.  G Oh you mean idiot as in the way you just forgot to change your identity I back after trolling in r.t.a. and just posted this in comp.os.vms....???:   . Message-ID: <3FB801BB.815B62DC@wilderness.org>- From: Furry Raccoon <F.Racoon@wilderness.org> * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms - Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system disk = References: <1dafe751.0311121151.115b54f2@posting.google.com> ( <3fb29367$0$13304$626a54ce@news.free.fr>& <5pxsb.8911$XD6.1344@news.cpqcorp.net>1 <8a646952.0311140858.4ba3b6a6@posting.google.com> ( <3fb521e8$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>1 <8a646952.0311141430.4bfc871d@posting.google.com> . <bp8tv8$1jemb1$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 18 % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:01:24 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069023569 64.230.46.34 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003
 17:59:29 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:29 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   John Travell wrote: N > However much you are able to move off the system disk, the one file that youN > CANNOT move that WILL be written to by the OS under certain circumstances is > SYS$BASE_IMAGE.   I At what frequency is that file updated ? Does that file have some form of  anE index, or is it simply the matter of updating a specific disk block ?   G What information is contained in the dynamic information stored in that J base$image ? Can this cause a system to fail to boot, or is the worst that can E happen is the system, upon booting, doesn't see some bit indicating a  properI shutdown and then proceeds to do mount verification/rebuild of the system  disk ?  N > It is NOT POSSIBLE to create (with released software) a VMS system disk that > will NEVER be written to.   I How do they handle Alphas to boot VMS from CD ?  Or is that really just a J glorified standalone backup system that isn't called "standalone backup" ?                ----------   ) Message-ID: <3FB81E47.404946B6@istop.com> * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Organization: nla0: * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms . Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?< References: <1EBtb.8300$C14.355422@twister.southeast.rr.com>H <0517343f9237cd010bc30c3f438d7e78@dizum.com> <3FB81927.8251B507@fsi.net>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 	 Lines: 19 % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:03:21 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.11.160.74 H X-Trace: news.nnrp.ca 1069030882 66.11.160.74 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:01:22 EST)0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:01:22 EST   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:I > Proves nothing, except that someone knows how to hack - or spoof - JF's  > ISP.  K Can you please leave this thread alone ? The idiot just wants attention and / you are feeding him all the attention he wants.   B It is pointless to go after him. The ones whoch do have some legalI responsability are the so called anonymous remailers who allow identities  toI be forged so easily. If their purpose was really just to allow legitimate  use J of anonymous postings, they would not allow identity forgeries (they wouldG impose their own clearly anonymous usernames) and would not allow cross  posting.  B I suspect that if they restricted their traffic to only legitimate
 documents," their volumes would be much lower.  I What gets me is that MIT, the supposedly reputed Massaschussets Institute  ofJ Technology would not only run its own anonymous remailer, but also supportA another one and have very liberal (read: useless) abuse policies.             ----------   G You tried to change the news server you're posting from and even posted E through a different IP after you were exposed earlier, but it's still K obviously you.  Anyone who knows you can easily tell, or can ascertain such  with minimal checking.   Busted, idiot.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:43:41 -0500 - From: bill <billjowettremovethis@hotmail.com> 0 Subject: Re: JF Mezei fucks up, exposes himself!* Message-ID: <3FB827CD.7030602@hotmail.com>    shut up you lonely fucking geek. you're becoming very boring.   Nomind nutglo wrote:- > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  >  >  >>"David J. Dachtera" wrote: >>J >>>Proves nothing, except that someone knows how to hack - or spoof - JF's >>>ISP.  >>M >>Can you please leave this thread alone ? The idiot just wants attention and 1 >>you are feeding him all the attention he wants.  >  > I > Oh you mean idiot as in the way you just forgot to change your identity K > back after trolling in r.t.a. and just posted this in comp.os.vms....???:e > 0 > Message-ID: <3FB801BB.815B62DC@wilderness.org>/ > From: Furry Raccoon <F.Racoon@wilderness.org> , > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: enI > MIME-Version: 1.0a > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsv/ > Subject: Re: Backups and shadowed system disk ? > References: <1dafe751.0311121151.115b54f2@posting.google.com>o* > <3fb29367$0$13304$626a54ce@news.free.fr>( > <5pxsb.8911$XD6.1344@news.cpqcorp.net>3 > <8a646952.0311140858.4ba3b6a6@posting.google.com>n* > <3fb521e8$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>3 > <8a646952.0311141430.4bfc871d@posting.google.com>o0 > <bp8tv8$1jemb1$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitc$ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 18p' > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:01:24 -0500s! > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34e% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.cayJ > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069023569 64.230.46.34 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003 > 17:59:29 EST)F2 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:29 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico >  > John Travell wrote:e > N >>However much you are able to move off the system disk, the one file that youN >>CANNOT move that WILL be written to by the OS under certain circumstances is >>SYS$BASE_IMAGE.t >  > K > At what frequency is that file updated ? Does that file have some form ofi > anG > index, or is it simply the matter of updating a specific disk block ?i > I > What information is contained in the dynamic information stored in thatiL > base$image ? Can this cause a system to fail to boot, or is the worst that > can_G > happen is the system, upon booting, doesn't see some bit indicating ai > properK > shutdown and then proceeds to do mount verification/rebuild of the systemm > disk ? >  > N >>It is NOT POSSIBLE to create (with released software) a VMS system disk that >>will NEVER be written to.m >  > K > How do they handle Alphas to boot VMS from CD ?  Or is that really just aML > glorified standalone backup system that isn't called "standalone backup" ? >  >              ----------  > + > Message-ID: <3FB81E47.404946B6@istop.com>a, > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> > Organization: nla0:D, > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: en  > MIME-Version: 1.0o > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst0 > Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?> > References: <1EBtb.8300$C14.355422@twister.southeast.rr.com>J > <0517343f9237cd010bc30c3f438d7e78@dizum.com> <3FB81927.8251B507@fsi.net>, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  > Lines: 19l' > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:03:21 -0500h! > NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.11.160.74aJ > X-Trace: news.nnrp.ca 1069030882 66.11.160.74 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:01:22 > EST)2 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:01:22 EST >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > I >>Proves nothing, except that someone knows how to hack - or spoof - JF's3 >>ISP. >  > M > Can you please leave this thread alone ? The idiot just wants attention ande1 > you are feeding him all the attention he wants.  > D > It is pointless to go after him. The ones whoch do have some legalK > responsability are the so called anonymous remailers who allow identitiesw > toK > be forged so easily. If their purpose was really just to allow legitimate  > usenL > of anonymous postings, they would not allow identity forgeries (they wouldI > impose their own clearly anonymous usernames) and would not allow crosso
 > posting. > D > I suspect that if they restricted their traffic to only legitimate > documents,$ > their volumes would be much lower. > K > What gets me is that MIT, the supposedly reputed Massaschussets Instituten > ofL > Technology would not only run its own anonymous remailer, but also supportC > another one and have very liberal (read: useless) abuse policies.n >  >          ----------f > I > You tried to change the news server you're posting from and even posted G > through a different IP after you were exposed earlier, but it's still M > obviously you.  Anyone who knows you can easily tell, or can ascertain such  > with minimal checking. >  > Busted, idiot. >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2003 20:07:11 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?r= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0311162007.6c2b3ccb@posting.google.com>o  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FB43FB9.1C372F82@istop.com>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:G > > How do you figure this? I was advised in Mar 2000 to buy MSFT (thentH > > about $55) and in only 2 months it nose-dived to $31. (Fortunately IJ > > didn't buy any, but I bet many did!) And MSFT is now at about $26, not? > > much above its 5-yr. low of about $21.72 (based on graph atn > > Fideltiy.com). >  > N > I despise Microsoft, but in fairness, they did have a stock split (2 for 1).H > So a $26 share today is similar to a $52 share before the stock split.  D All the prices are quoted are adjusted for the split. When I said itF went from $55 to $31, at the time that was actually $110 to $62. So myC argument stands. You would have had to have been very lucky to makenC any money on shares of MSFT if you bought them anytime in the priord five years.s  C My apologies if my first respone to this was posted successfully. I $ can't find it, so I'm posting again.   [...]S   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanv   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:33:31 -0500i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?.) Message-ID: <3FB84F7B.60519F38@istop.com>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:G => All the prices are quoted are adjusted for the split. When I said itoH > went from $55 to $31, at the time that was actually $110 to $62. So my > argument stands.  L It was my understanding that The big fall occured before the split, I recallJ the $120 cstock thumbling to about $50 and staying there for a long while.K When Microsoft realised that people were losing interest in its stock whichoN showed no promise of rising anymore, Microsoft was forced to announce it wouldM start paying dividends. (especially since so many emnployees had been paid incK stock options their stock was losing value and not yielding any divends, sop$ ther "back pay" never materialised).  N At that time, the stock was split 2 for 1 and then traded in the $25 range. MyN understanding was that it would make the dividend look better if the stock wasK of a lesser value and would probably make it easier for the laymen to thinkn the stock was underpriced.  N A stock split also makes it harder to compare with the past. You see the stock= rise from $25 to $30, instead of thinking it used to be $120.1   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:50:04 +0100 (CET)p% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>e. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?8 Message-ID: <0517343f9237cd010bc30c3f438d7e78@dizum.com>  1 Ken Farmer <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote:v  0 >Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel? >lM >> Some idiot head of a police state will be visiting London next week, alongnH >> with his secret police and some 700 staff members to protect him from >> attacks. L >> He asked for all of central london closed, but the UK has so far refused.L >> Nevertheless, one should expect major disruptions to traffic as the idiotH >> parades around in his convoy of bulletproof limousines.  Some 5000 UKJ >> policemen will be used to protect protestors from the 700 strong secret	 >> policeaJ >> who will be quick on the trigger, knowing just how hostile the world is >> towards this idiot leader.3 >>M >> It is not yet known if the idiot will land his heavy 747 at Heathrow , and3 >> ifrE >> so, how much of a disruption to the whole airport this will cause.E >> HopefullyM >> that 747, as well as all the cargo planes carrying his limos etc will landi >> atM >> some air force base.m >> >>L >> Why does the idiot insist on disrupting other countries with his unwantedI >> visits ?  When he is one of the most hated persons in the world, and ah >> majorL >> target for terrorists after he's invaded a country, the idiot should stay >> at  >> home. >>K >> This unwanted visit to the UK will cost UK taxpayers a lot of money, andt >> theB >> disruptions to the city will cost UK businesses a lot of money.  G Who else BUT JF would??? He has a LOOOONG track record of this in other J groups.  His comp.os.vms buddies are just barely starting to find out, and  it's got him SHITTING HIS PANTS.  E (And if you still have any doubt after perusing the irrefutable proofhF below, just browse his history of many years of this same anti-US crapC under HIS OWN name.  He makes the "anarchists" who trash free trade,' conferences look like innocent kittens.   I Gotta love JF "Cars are evil" Mezei's delusion of thinking nobody can see1! through his transparent trolling.    For the record:%  . Message-ID: <3FB1B4FA.9015D4F9@wilderness.org>1 From: Educated Raccoon <E.Raccoon@wilderness.org>>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: ene MIME-Version: 1.0> Newsgroups: rec.travel.air) Subject: London to be disrupted next week * Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits" X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 22L% Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:20:46 -0500   NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca I X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068610720 64.230.46.146 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003 
 23:18:40 EST)e0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:18:40 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico  J Some idiot head of a police state will be visiting London next week, alongE with his secret police and some 700 staff members to protect him from- attacks.J He asked for all of central london closed, but the UK has so far refused. I Nevertheless, one should expect major disruptions to traffic as the idiot>E parades around in his convoy of bulletproof limousines.  Some 5000 UKyG policemen will be used to protect protestors from the 700 strong secret  policeG who will be quick on the trigger, knowing just how hostile the world is- towards this idiot leader.  J It is not yet known if the idiot will land his heavy 747 at Heathrow , and ifB so, how much of a disruption to the whole airport this will cause.	 Hopefully J that 747, as well as all the cargo planes carrying his limos etc will land at some air force base.    I Why does the idiot insist on disrupting other countries with his unwantedtF visits ?  When he is one of the most hated persons in the world, and a major-I target for terrorists after he's invaded a country, the idiot should stay  at home.   H This unwanted visit to the UK will cost UK taxpayers a lot of money, and theg? disruptions to the city will cost UK businesses a lot of money.t                     ----------  ) Message-ID: <3FB6EDAE.FF41DE99@istop.com>:* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en- MIME-Version: 1.02 Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsn. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?< References: <1EBtb.8300$C14.355422@twister.southeast.rr.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits" X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 20r% Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:23:33 -0500y  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.caeI X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068952901 64.230.46.146 (Sat, 15 Nov 2003 
 22:21:41 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:21:41 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   Ken Farmer wrote:p > 1 > Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel?   K For crying out loud , learn to read headers, will you ? Anything that comesgH from dizum.com, as well as that gilgamesh remailer and the mit anonymousK remailer etc are FORGED. OK. I am sick and tired of this, and it has gottene toG a point where people are starting to call the wrong people. I've had toa have* my phone de-listed because of the asshole.  E I fully understand why "John Smith" doesn't post under his real name.y However,H even though I have left the newsgroups where those posts originate, theyH continue to find whatever excuse to post whatever they feel about me, so evenI if I were to start posting under another name here, they'd still continuei to( invent stuff about me and cross post it.  3 (I say "they", but it is probably a single person).n  H And before you get all gung ho about the into-posted-from , my ISP has a proxy2J with Bell Sympatico (I have a choice of 3 news servers), so that IP is not mine.h                  ----------m  F You must really think your friends in comp.os.vms are as stupid as the- idiots you troll in your other groups, Mezei.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:23:00 -0500c* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?2 Message-ID: <trGdneflIq0JUyqiRVn-sw@metrocast.net>  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:0517343f9237cd010bc30c3f438d7e78@dizum.com...   ...t  G > (And if you still have any doubt after perusing the irrefutable proofrH > below, just browse his history of many years of this same anti-US crap  G Hey, you don't have to be Canadian to take an extremely dim view of thefL current dimwits in charge of U.S. policy (and even the not-so-dimwits of theI recent past weren't completely above criticism):  most of the rest of theiJ world seems to as well, including a large (and growing) number of us right here in the U.S. itself.  F OTOH, you have to be a real loser to post the kind of shit that's beenL floating around here.  We don't particularly like it in comp.os.vms, either:H while we don't always agree with JF, he's far preferable to the likes of you.  L The 'nescio' part of your pseudonym fits like a glove.  Unfortunately, beingL clueless doesn't seem to stop you from vomiting your bile to the four winds:I it's ironic (I'd say pitiful, but that might be construed to suggest thatnG people like you deserve pity) how cowards use the cloak of anonymity to F avoid being held responsible for their own statements while vigorouslyL trashing others who have the courage to place their own name next to theirs.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2003 23:55:28 -0000% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>t. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?9 Message-ID: <93T0KOB137942.0385185185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>i  ' H Vlems <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:a   >JFa >8 >you have my sympathy. >e >Hansh   ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!r  / The fool feeling sympathy for the insane  .....d   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 00:56:52 +0100% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>w. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?9 Message-ID: <CVJ6ASMQ37942.0385185185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>f  + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:    >Ken Farmer wrote: >> r2 >> Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel? >0L >For crying out loud , learn to read headers, will you ? Anything that comesI >from dizum.com, as well as that gilgamesh remailer and the mit anonymouse >remailer etc are FORGED. OK.   H Except the message Ken is asking you about didn't come from any of thoseK places, it came from YOUR ISP, YOUR NEWS SERVER, AND YOUR MACHINE.  Headerst below for the record.w  2 >I am sick and tired of this, and it has gotten toM >a point where people are starting to call the wrong people. I've had to haver+ >my phone de-listed because of the asshole.y  B Correction:  Because of your shameless trolling over YEARS in MANYK newsgroups, under YOUR OWN NAME, from YOUR OWN MACHINE, POSTED VIA YOUR OWN  ISP.  O >I fully understand why "John Smith" doesn't post under his real name. However,hI >even though I have left the newsgroups where those posts originate, theybN >continue to find whatever excuse to post whatever they feel about me, so evenM >if I were to start posting under another name here, they'd still continue toa) >invent stuff about me and cross post it.   ? No need to invent anything.  YOUR OWN TROLLING is proof enough.-  4 >(I say "they", but it is probably a single person). >MO >And before you get all gung ho about the into-posted-from , my ISP has a proxyoK >with Bell Sympatico (I have a choice of 3 news servers), so that IP is notl >mine.  I Sure, JF, sure.  You must think your buddies in comp.os.vms are as stupidnH as the fools you have shamelessly trolled in other groups for Y-E-A-R-S.   For the record:e  ) Message-ID: <3FB6EDAE.FF41DE99@istop.com>r* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: enn MIME-Version: 1.0m Newsgroups: comp.os.vmse. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?< References: <1EBtb.8300$C14.355422@twister.southeast.rr.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit:" X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 20 % Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:23:33 -0500t  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.caeI X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068952901 64.230.46.146 (Sat, 15 Nov 2003e
 22:21:41 EST)e0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:21:41 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   Ken Farmer wrote:o > 1 > Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel?   K For crying out loud , learn to read headers, will you ? Anything that comesuH from dizum.com, as well as that gilgamesh remailer and the mit anonymousK remailer etc are FORGED. OK. I am sick and tired of this, and it has gotteni toG a point where people are starting to call the wrong people. I've had tos have* my phone de-listed because of the asshole.  E I fully understand why "John Smith" doesn't post under his real name.e However,H even though I have left the newsgroups where those posts originate, theyH continue to find whatever excuse to post whatever they feel about me, so evenI if I were to start posting under another name here, they'd still continueo to( invent stuff about me and cross post it.  3 (I say "they", but it is probably a single person).h  H And before you get all gung ho about the into-posted-from , my ISP has a proxy J with Bell Sympatico (I have a choice of 3 news servers), so that IP is not mine.e  )                                ----------h  . Message-ID: <3FB1B4FA.9015D4F9@wilderness.org>1 From: Educated Raccoon <E.Raccoon@wilderness.org>5* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: enu MIME-Version: 1.0r Newsgroups: rec.travel.air) Subject: London to be disrupted next week1* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit2" X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 22n% Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:20:46 -0500s  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca I X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068610720 64.230.46.146 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003e
 23:18:40 EST)d0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:18:40 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico  J Some idiot head of a police state will be visiting London next week, alongE with his secret police and some 700 staff members to protect him fromo attacks.J He asked for all of central london closed, but the UK has so far refused. I Nevertheless, one should expect major disruptions to traffic as the idioteE parades around in his convoy of bulletproof limousines.  Some 5000 UKsG policemen will be used to protect protestors from the 700 strong secreti policeG who will be quick on the trigger, knowing just how hostile the world ist towards this idiot leader.  J It is not yet known if the idiot will land his heavy 747 at Heathrow , and ifB so, how much of a disruption to the whole airport this will cause.	 HopefullyoJ that 747, as well as all the cargo planes carrying his limos etc will land at some air force base.    I Why does the idiot insist on disrupting other countries with his unwantedsF visits ?  When he is one of the most hated persons in the world, and a major I target for terrorists after he's invaded a country, the idiot should stayk at home.   H This unwanted visit to the UK will cost UK taxpayers a lot of money, and the3? disruptions to the city will cost UK businesses a lot of money.u                     ----------  H As as said in a previous message, if anyone STILL doubts it's JF writingI these moronic trolls under the various aliases below, all they have to dofI is examine his posting history under HIS OWN NAME and compare that driveleJ to his drivel under the aliases.  It's exactly the same because Mezei is aJ one-trick pony and has been posting the same drivel OVER AND OVER AND OVER$ AGAIN for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.  K For the record, this is the same guy who used to troll the maternity groups I years ago under his very own name and from the same ISP he used for years:K (videotron.ca) claiming that boys should be circumcised because his parentsiE failed to circumcise him as an infant and he had trouble masturbating F pleasurably so he finally got a circumcision as an adult and it was soE embarassing that all boys should be spared that embarassment by beingFI circumcised as days old infants.  Now he can masturbate very nicely thankeJ you very much because he's free of that persky little foreskin.  That's JF for you, in a NUTshell.s  E Some of JF's recent trolling names ... gee is there a pattern here???t  $ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>s Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>a" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>@' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>(" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>e' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>u( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>a' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>n% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>4 Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>3! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>f# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>t  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>3 Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>i$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>o! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>g  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>d% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>v$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>y% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>s( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>l' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>e$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>-( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>e" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>f& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>m) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>a' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>n" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>L' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>u* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>5 Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org> etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:41:11 -060081 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>3. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?' Message-ID: <3FB81927.8251B507@fsi.net>    Nomen Nescio wrote:2 > [snip] > For the record:t > 0 > Message-ID: <3FB1B4FA.9015D4F9@wilderness.org>3 > From: Educated Raccoon <E.Raccoon@wilderness.org>), > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: en: > MIME-Version: 1.0p > Newsgroups: rec.travel.air+ > Subject: London to be disrupted next week4, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 22T' > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:20:46 -0500l" > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.caLK > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068610720 64.230.46.146 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003  > 23:18:40 EST)c2 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:18:40 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico  G Proves nothing, except that someone knows how to hack - or spoof - JF'so ISP.  F This group (comp.os.vms, at least) has seen its share of such pirates,F even one twit who tried to go by a handle like "gib.senip@reknaw.com",D as if anyone with an IQ in the double-digits could't figure that one out.  % You'll have to do better than that...u   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsS http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:03:21 -0500f* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?) Message-ID: <3FB81E47.404946B6@istop.com>p   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:I > Proves nothing, except that someone knows how to hack - or spoof - JF'sL > ISP.  K Can you please leave this thread alone ? The idiot just wants attention andi/ you are feeding him all the attention he wants.i  B It is pointless to go after him. The ones whoch do have some legalL responsability are the so called anonymous remailers who allow identities toM be forged so easily. If their purpose was really just to allow legitimate use1J of anonymous postings, they would not allow identity forgeries (they wouldP impose their own clearly anonymous usernames) and would not allow cross posting.  M I suspect that if they restricted their traffic to only legitimate documents,y" their volumes would be much lower.  L What gets me is that MIT, the supposedly reputed Massaschussets Institute ofJ Technology would not only run its own anonymous remailer, but also supportA another one and have very liberal (read: useless) abuse policies.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:58:38 -0500 % From: "repatch" <repatch42@yahoo.com>S. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?9 Message-ID: <hXVtb.2003$ZF1.242534@news20.bellglobal.com>s  J No matter what JF has done you sir are far worse. Plonk... (BTW, I haven't plonked JF, who is worse?)  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message3 news:CVJ6ASMQ37942.0385185185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...0   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:27:19 GMT:- From: "     Darrell" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX>D. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?L Message-ID: <H6Ytb.95258$Rah1.17713@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  J One has to wonder what Mr. Anon's agenda is. Oddly enough if one did a bitL of a Google search on a few other anon postings via of the same remailer, onJ ott.general, and mtl.general look in April 2003 and on, you may find clues to who is cyber stalking JF.    0 "repatch" <repatch42@yahoo.com> wrote in message3 news:hXVtb.2003$ZF1.242534@news20.bellglobal.com... L > No matter what JF has done you sir are far worse. Plonk... (BTW, I haven't > plonked JF, who is worse?) >o4 > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message5 > news:CVJ6ASMQ37942.0385185185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...: >: >c   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2003 21:04:53 -0800/ From: AeroScientist@hotmail.com (aero_engineer)4E Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? [re: "No-mind" Nescio]1= Message-ID: <b423f5ee.0311162104.3c317794@posting.google.com>e  ; [Re: anonymous remailer "nomen nescio" cyber-stalker of JF]m  + "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:d  N > The 'nescio' part of your pseudonym fits like a glove.  Unfortunately, beingN > clueless doesn't seem to stop you from vomiting your bile to the four winds:K > it's ironic (I'd say pitiful, but that might be construed to suggest that I > people like you deserve pity) how cowards use the cloak of anonymity to H > avoid being held responsible for their own statements while vigorouslyN > trashing others who have the courage to place their own name next to theirs. >  > - bill  L > One has to wonder what Mr. Anon's agenda is. Oddly enough if one did a bitN > of a Google search on a few other anon postings via of the same remailer, onL > ott.general, and mtl.general look in April 2003 and on, you may find clues > to who is cyber stalking JF. >s
 >- Darrell   etc. ...a  E What cowardly "no-mind" nescio is doing may border on cyber stalking.?E Perhaps there are other violations, as well. He can be reported here:a   https://tips.fbi.gov/b   They can find anonymous twits.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:00:04 +0100 (CET)t% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>B0 Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? _8 Message-ID: <889cb7d3e27d88791d981b98f613e8de@dizum.com>  + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:e   >Ken Farmer wrote: >> n2 >> Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel? >uL >For crying out loud , learn to read headers, will you ? Anything that comesI >from dizum.com, as well as that gilgamesh remailer and the mit anonymousr >remailer etc are FORGED. OK.   H Except the message Ken is asking you about didn't come from any of thoseK places, it came from YOUR ISP, YOUR NEWS SERVER, AND YOUR MACHINE.  Headers4 below for the record..  2 >I am sick and tired of this, and it has gotten toM >a point where people are starting to call the wrong people. I've had to haver+ >my phone de-listed because of the asshole.,  B Correction:  Because of your shameless trolling over YEARS in MANYK newsgroups, under YOUR OWN NAME, from YOUR OWN MACHINE, POSTED VIA YOUR OWNP ISP.  O >I fully understand why "John Smith" doesn't post under his real name. However,iI >even though I have left the newsgroups where those posts originate, they N >continue to find whatever excuse to post whatever they feel about me, so evenM >if I were to start posting under another name here, they'd still continue toT) >invent stuff about me and cross post it.i  ? No need to invent anything.  YOUR OWN TROLLING is proof enough.o  4 >(I say "they", but it is probably a single person). >aO >And before you get all gung ho about the into-posted-from , my ISP has a proxyeK >with Bell Sympatico (I have a choice of 3 news servers), so that IP is not  >mine.  I Sure, JF, sure.  You must think your buddies in comp.os.vms are as stupidiH as the fools you have shamelessly trolled in other groups for Y-E-A-R-S.   For the record:s  ) Message-ID: <3FB6EDAE.FF41DE99@istop.com>e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: ena MIME-Version: 1.0o Newsgroups: comp.os.vms-. Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?< References: <1EBtb.8300$C14.355422@twister.southeast.rr.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits" X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 20i% Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:23:33 -0500   NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca0I X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068952901 64.230.46.146 (Sat, 15 Nov 2003u
 22:21:41 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:21:41 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   Ken Farmer wrote:m > 1 > Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel?f  K For crying out loud , learn to read headers, will you ? Anything that comesPH from dizum.com, as well as that gilgamesh remailer and the mit anonymousK remailer etc are FORGED. OK. I am sick and tired of this, and it has gottent toG a point where people are starting to call the wrong people. I've had toh have* my phone de-listed because of the asshole.  E I fully understand why "John Smith" doesn't post under his real name.s However,H even though I have left the newsgroups where those posts originate, theyH continue to find whatever excuse to post whatever they feel about me, so evenI if I were to start posting under another name here, they'd still continueo to( invent stuff about me and cross post it.  3 (I say "they", but it is probably a single person).5  H And before you get all gung ho about the into-posted-from , my ISP has a proxy$J with Bell Sympatico (I have a choice of 3 news servers), so that IP is not mine.   )                                ----------8  . Message-ID: <3FB1B4FA.9015D4F9@wilderness.org>1 From: Educated Raccoon <E.Raccoon@wilderness.org> * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: end MIME-Version: 1.0w Newsgroups: rec.travel.air) Subject: London to be disrupted next week:* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitm" X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 226% Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:20:46 -0500   NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca I X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068610720 64.230.46.146 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003h
 23:18:40 EST)o0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:18:40 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico  J Some idiot head of a police state will be visiting London next week, alongE with his secret police and some 700 staff members to protect him fromm attacks.J He asked for all of central london closed, but the UK has so far refused. I Nevertheless, one should expect major disruptions to traffic as the idiotaE parades around in his convoy of bulletproof limousines.  Some 5000 UKoG policemen will be used to protect protestors from the 700 strong secretb policeG who will be quick on the trigger, knowing just how hostile the world is/ towards this idiot leader.  J It is not yet known if the idiot will land his heavy 747 at Heathrow , and ifB so, how much of a disruption to the whole airport this will cause.	 HopefullyoJ that 747, as well as all the cargo planes carrying his limos etc will land at some air force base.    I Why does the idiot insist on disrupting other countries with his unwanted1F visits ?  When he is one of the most hated persons in the world, and a majoriI target for terrorists after he's invaded a country, the idiot should stayn at home.   H This unwanted visit to the UK will cost UK taxpayers a lot of money, and thel? disruptions to the city will cost UK businesses a lot of money.u                     ----------  H As as said in a previous message, if anyone STILL doubts it's JF writingI these moronic trolls under the various aliases below, all they have to do1I is examine his posting history under HIS OWN NAME and compare that drivel0J to his drivel under the aliases.  It's exactly the same because Mezei is aJ one-trick pony and has been posting the same drivel OVER AND OVER AND OVER$ AGAIN for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.  K For the record, this is the same guy who used to troll the maternity groups I years ago under his very own name and from the same ISP he used for years K (videotron.ca) claiming that boys should be circumcised because his parentssE failed to circumcise him as an infant and he had trouble masturbatingaF pleasurably so he finally got a circumcision as an adult and it was soE embarassing that all boys should be spared that embarassment by being I circumcised as days old infants.  Now he can masturbate very nicely thankhJ you very much because he's free of that persky little foreskin.  That's JF for you, in a NUTshell.   E Some of JF's recent trolling names ... gee is there a pattern here???o  $ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>w" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>v' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>r( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>n' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>u% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>- Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>y# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>R  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>t$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>e! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>y$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>l& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>e' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>o( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>e' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>u$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>e( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>t" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>d& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>n) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>l" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>m' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>p* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>a Q <queue@continuum.net>d Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org> etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:13:39 -0500ic From: "love_to_fake_emails@because_im_an_asshat.com" <love_to_fake_emails@because_im_an_asshat.com>e0 Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF? _9 Message-ID: <eMRtb.1814$iT4.190951@news20.bellglobal.com>i  G Good god, get a job would you? You're a bigger asshat than the "troll" tC you are stalking. I get a mental picture of a fat greasy douchebag  H hiding out in a rented basement apartment who thinks he's a l337 ha><0r G with /\/\&|) 5|<1llz, because he can torment someone, anonymously mind 0 you, online.G Get a fucking grip, or better yet a job you freak. Youre xposting spam J) is more  annoying than his idiotic rants.e     Nomen Nescio wrote:d  - > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:e >  >  >>Ken Farmer wrote:t >>2 >>>Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel? >>M >>For crying out loud , learn to read headers, will you ? Anything that comese > J >>from dizum.com, as well as that gilgamesh remailer and the mit anonymous >  >>remailer etc are FORGED. OK.   >  > J > Except the message Ken is asking you about didn't come from any of thoseM > places, it came from YOUR ISP, YOUR NEWS SERVER, AND YOUR MACHINE.  Headerse > below for the record.l >  > 3 >>I am sick and tired of this, and it has gotten tonN >>a point where people are starting to call the wrong people. I've had to have, >>my phone de-listed because of the asshole. >  > D > Correction:  Because of your shameless trolling over YEARS in MANYM > newsgroups, under YOUR OWN NAME, from YOUR OWN MACHINE, POSTED VIA YOUR OWN> > ISP. >  > P >>I fully understand why "John Smith" doesn't post under his real name. However,J >>even though I have left the newsgroups where those posts originate, theyO >>continue to find whatever excuse to post whatever they feel about me, so evenhN >>if I were to start posting under another name here, they'd still continue to* >>invent stuff about me and cross post it. >  > A > No need to invent anything.  YOUR OWN TROLLING is proof enough.  >  > 5 >>(I say "they", but it is probably a single person).s >>P >>And before you get all gung ho about the into-posted-from , my ISP has a proxyL >>with Bell Sympatico (I have a choice of 3 news servers), so that IP is not >>mine.r >  > K > Sure, JF, sure.  You must think your buddies in comp.os.vms are as stupideJ > as the fools you have shamelessly trolled in other groups for Y-E-A-R-S. >  > For the record:  > + > Message-ID: <3FB6EDAE.FF41DE99@istop.com>d, > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: en  > MIME-Version: 1.0n > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms>0 > Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?> > References: <1EBtb.8300$C14.355422@twister.southeast.rr.com>, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=$ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 20r' > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:23:33 -0500a" > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.caoK > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068952901 64.230.46.146 (Sat, 15 Nov 20034 > 22:21:41 EST) 2 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:21:41 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico >  > Ken Farmer wrote:  > 1 >>Just wondering if you really wrote this drivel?n >  > M > For crying out loud , learn to read headers, will you ? Anything that comesfJ > from dizum.com, as well as that gilgamesh remailer and the mit anonymousM > remailer etc are FORGED. OK. I am sick and tired of this, and it has gotten  > toI > a point where people are starting to call the wrong people. I've had toy > have, > my phone de-listed because of the asshole. > G > I fully understand why "John Smith" doesn't post under his real name.h
 > However,J > even though I have left the newsgroups where those posts originate, theyJ > continue to find whatever excuse to post whatever they feel about me, so > evenK > if I were to start posting under another name here, they'd still continueo > to* > invent stuff about me and cross post it. > 5 > (I say "they", but it is probably a single person).n > J > And before you get all gung ho about the into-posted-from , my ISP has a > proxyiL > with Bell Sympatico (I have a choice of 3 news servers), so that IP is not > mine.o > + >                                ----------  > 0 > Message-ID: <3FB1B4FA.9015D4F9@wilderness.org>3 > From: Educated Raccoon <E.Raccoon@wilderness.org> , > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: enA > MIME-Version: 1.0: > Newsgroups: rec.travel.air+ > Subject: London to be disrupted next weekt, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn$ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 22e' > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:20:46 -0500s" > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.146% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.cafK > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1068610720 64.230.46.146 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003, > 23:18:40 EST)32 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:18:40 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico > L > Some idiot head of a police state will be visiting London next week, alongG > with his secret police and some 700 staff members to protect him from 
 > attacks.L > He asked for all of central london closed, but the UK has so far refused. K > Nevertheless, one should expect major disruptions to traffic as the idiotoG > parades around in his convoy of bulletproof limousines.  Some 5000 UKyI > policemen will be used to protect protestors from the 700 strong secretg > policeI > who will be quick on the trigger, knowing just how hostile the world is  > towards this idiot leader. > L > It is not yet known if the idiot will land his heavy 747 at Heathrow , and > ifD > so, how much of a disruption to the whole airport this will cause. > Hopefully L > that 747, as well as all the cargo planes carrying his limos etc will land > at > some air force base. >  > K > Why does the idiot insist on disrupting other countries with his unwantedrH > visits ?  When he is one of the most hated persons in the world, and a > majoryK > target for terrorists after he's invaded a country, the idiot should stayl > at > home.  > J > This unwanted visit to the UK will cost UK taxpayers a lot of money, and > themA > disruptions to the city will cost UK businesses a lot of money.  >  >                   ---------- > J > As as said in a previous message, if anyone STILL doubts it's JF writingK > these moronic trolls under the various aliases below, all they have to doDK > is examine his posting history under HIS OWN NAME and compare that driveleL > to his drivel under the aliases.  It's exactly the same because Mezei is aL > one-trick pony and has been posting the same drivel OVER AND OVER AND OVER& > AGAIN for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. > M > For the record, this is the same guy who used to troll the maternity groupsdK > years ago under his very own name and from the same ISP he used for yearstM > (videotron.ca) claiming that boys should be circumcised because his parentseG > failed to circumcise him as an infant and he had trouble masturbatingoH > pleasurably so he finally got a circumcision as an adult and it was soG > embarassing that all boys should be spared that embarassment by beingtK > circumcised as days old infants.  Now he can masturbate very nicely thank.L > you very much because he's free of that persky little foreskin.  That's JF > for you, in a NUTshell.i > G > Some of JF's recent trolling names ... gee is there a pattern here???d > & > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>s > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>y) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>l$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>-) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>0* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>1) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>m' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>y > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>i% > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>-" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>y& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>s# > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>o" > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>d' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>m& > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> ( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>.' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>e( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>S) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>d* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>e) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>r' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> & > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> * > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>-$ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>v( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>o+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>v) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>-$ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>u) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>o, > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>0 > Q <queue@continuum.net>a > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org> > etc. >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:20:02 +0100 (CET))% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>:/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_-8 Message-ID: <d5f1a791855fa0ac30bd6b9350834a03@dizum.com>  ' H Vlems <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:N   >JFe >2 >you have my sympathy. >D >Hanst   ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!1  / The fool feeling sympathy for the insane  .....o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:32:40 -0500o* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_t2 Message-ID: <NPOdnXNHXuBncSqiRVn-jA@metrocast.net>  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:d5f1a791855fa0ac30bd6b9350834a03@dizum.com...) > H Vlems <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:  >e > >JFo > >- > >you have my sympathy. > >  > >Hans  >e > ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!h >o1 > The fool feeling sympathy for the insane  .....o  J What a novel strategy:  denigrate the very people you're supposedly tryingK to bring around to your own viewpoint.  I guess you're a moron as well as a J loudmouth:  if you're simply so entranced with the sound of your own voiceG that you don't care what anyone else thinks, do us all a favor and send  messages only to yourself.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:54:32 +0100y( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_ : Message-ID: <bp8rrr$1mg6na$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  7 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> schreef in berichts, news:NPOdnXNHXuBncSqiRVn-jA@metrocast.net... >)4 > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message4 > news:d5f1a791855fa0ac30bd6b9350834a03@dizum.com...+ > > H Vlems <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:s > >i > > >JF- > > >r > > >you have my sympathy. > > > 	 > > >Hans. > >  > > ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!1 > > 3 > > The fool feeling sympathy for the insane  .....6 >-L > What a novel strategy:  denigrate the very people you're supposedly tryingK > to bring around to your own viewpoint.  I guess you're a moron as well asN a2L > loudmouth:  if you're simply so entranced with the sound of your own voiceI > that you don't care what anyone else thinks, do us all a favor and sends > messages only to yourself. >h > - bill >aI Leave the poor guy (in this context defined as the person with an assumedsD name in a foreign language and, characteristically, proved unable toJ translate for crying out loud) alone. In another mail he tried to convince@ an audience of IT professionals that his own emails of obviouslyH manufactured origin are trustworthy while at the same time claiming thatJ another person's credentials are false. To stick to that person's favorite* language: de gustibus non disputandem est.  I Could we please leave this pittiful and sadly crossposted thread alone ins this newsgroup. Please?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:16:09 -0500a* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_s2 Message-ID: <SPKdnc6PN5a3aiqiRVn-tg@metrocast.net>  3 "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in messagee4 news:bp8rrr$1mg6na$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de... >e9 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> schreef in berichta. > news:NPOdnXNHXuBncSqiRVn-jA@metrocast.net... > >l6 > > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message6 > > news:d5f1a791855fa0ac30bd6b9350834a03@dizum.com...- > > > H Vlems <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:  > > >u	 > > > >JFr > > > >s > > > >you have my sympathy. > > > >i > > > >Hansg > > >y > > > ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!o > > >h5 > > > The fool feeling sympathy for the insane  .....t > >eG > > What a novel strategy:  denigrate the very people you're supposedlyi tryingJ > > to bring around to your own viewpoint.  I guess you're a moron as well as > ahH > > loudmouth:  if you're simply so entranced with the sound of your own voicenK > > that you don't care what anyone else thinks, do us all a favor and sendy > > messages only to yourself. > >a
 > > - bill > > K > Leave the poor guy (in this context defined as the person with an assumedhF > name in a foreign language and, characteristically, proved unable to' > translate for crying out loud) alone.e  E I'm afraid not:  he might construe silence for agreement (or at leasty tolerance).e  %  In another mail he tried to convince B > an audience of IT professionals that his own emails of obviouslyJ > manufactured origin are trustworthy while at the same time claiming thatL > another person's credentials are false. To stick to that person's favorite, > language: de gustibus non disputandem est. >aK > Could we please leave this pittiful and sadly crossposted thread alone int > this newsgroup. Please?b  K Unfortunately, once a creature like this infests a newsgroup if one doesn'tfK make it clear to him that his efforts are if anything counter-productive toaH his goals he's likely to continue (and in fact I remember this pseudonym& from the past, so he *has* continued).  I When comp.os.vms is pruned from his slobber, I'll be happy to leave it toiL members of the other groups to handle the situation locally as they see fit.     - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:31:37 GMTr" From: mnc@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz)/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_n5 Message-ID: <dVStb.63931$E9.148@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>e  ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:eM > Unfortunately, once a creature like this infests a newsgroup if one doesn'teM > make it clear to him that his efforts are if anything counter-productive tooJ > his goals he's likely to continue (and in fact I remember this pseudonym( > from the past, so he *has* continued).  K It's Latin for "name unknown"; I think it is the default pseudonym attacheda# by one or more anonymous remailers.@   miguel -- n8 See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:09:57 +0800e: From: "Nik" <spamavoid.deletethis.mnjensen@netvigator.com>/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_e0 Message-ID: <bp9049$otn3@imsp212.netvigator.com>   Hitler redivivus or is it Mao?    5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagec, news:SPKdnc6PN5a3aiqiRVn-tg@metrocast.net... >r5 > "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in messagea6 > news:bp8rrr$1mg6na$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de... > >i; > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> schreef in berichtm0 > > news:NPOdnXNHXuBncSqiRVn-jA@metrocast.net... > > >t8 > > > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message8 > > > news:d5f1a791855fa0ac30bd6b9350834a03@dizum.com.../ > > > > H Vlems <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:  > > > >n > > > > >JFl	 > > > > >g > > > > >you have my sympathy.	 > > > > >y
 > > > > >Hanso > > > >e > > > > ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!a > > > >o7 > > > > The fool feeling sympathy for the insane  .....e > > >cI > > > What a novel strategy:  denigrate the very people you're supposedlyo > tryingL > > > to bring around to your own viewpoint.  I guess you're a moron as well > as > > aoJ > > > loudmouth:  if you're simply so entranced with the sound of your own > voice@H > > > that you don't care what anyone else thinks, do us all a favor and send  > > > messages only to yourself. > > >t > > > - bill > > >bE > > Leave the poor guy (in this context defined as the person with an0 assumed1H > > name in a foreign language and, characteristically, proved unable to) > > translate for crying out loud) alone.- > G > I'm afraid not:  he might construe silence for agreement (or at least 
 > tolerance).  >s' >  In another mail he tried to convince>D > > an audience of IT professionals that his own emails of obviouslyL > > manufactured origin are trustworthy while at the same time claiming thatE > > another person's credentials are false. To stick to that person'sw favorite. > > language: de gustibus non disputandem est. > >rJ > > Could we please leave this pittiful and sadly crossposted thread alone in > > this newsgroup. Please?  >0E > Unfortunately, once a creature like this infests a newsgroup if onei doesn't J > make it clear to him that his efforts are if anything counter-productive toJ > his goals he's likely to continue (and in fact I remember this pseudonym( > from the past, so he *has* continued). >tK > When comp.os.vms is pruned from his slobber, I'll be happy to leave it tooI > members of the other groups to handle the situation locally as they seee fit. >y >h > - bill >i >e >@   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:16:43 -0600h9 From: Herb Schaltegger <herbschaltegger@spamtrap.invalid>-/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_wE Message-ID: <herbschaltegger-BDDB17.17164316112003@enews.newsguy.com>d  2 In article <SPKdnc6PN5a3aiqiRVn-tg@metrocast.net>,,  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  K > When comp.os.vms is pruned from his slobber, I'll be happy to leave it to N > members of the other groups to handle the situation locally as they see fit. >  >  > - bill > 9 Stop cross-posting to sci.space.shuttle and we will . . .    --   Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. Reformed Aerospace Engineert Columbia Loss FAQ:1 <http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html>t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:19:10 -0500i* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_h2 Message-ID: <fqSdnRfU3aVjjiWiRVn-tg@metrocast.net>  F "Herb Schaltegger" <herbschaltegger@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message? news:herbschaltegger-BDDB17.17164316112003@enews.newsguy.com...l4 > In article <SPKdnc6PN5a3aiqiRVn-tg@metrocast.net>,. >  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: >iJ > > When comp.os.vms is pruned from his slobber, I'll be happy to leave it toK > > members of the other groups to handle the situation locally as they seeu fit. > >  > >l
 > > - bill > >e; > Stop cross-posting to sci.space.shuttle and we will . . .   G If you don't like scope of the conversation, by all means encourage the L perpetrator to narrow it.  Since I doubt that he's a denizen of comp.os.vms,7 discouraging him only here isn't likely to do any good.l   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:26:45 -0500n* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_J2 Message-ID: <j7adnV6waIxViCWiRVn-jg@metrocast.net>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message7, news:fqSdnRfU3aVjjiWiRVn-tg@metrocast.net... >sH > "Herb Schaltegger" <herbschaltegger@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in messageA > news:herbschaltegger-BDDB17.17164316112003@enews.newsguy.com...a6 > > In article <SPKdnc6PN5a3aiqiRVn-tg@metrocast.net>,0 > >  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: > >sL > > > When comp.os.vms is pruned from his slobber, I'll be happy to leave it > toI > > > members of the other groups to handle the situation locally as theyp see2 > fit. > > >t > > >s > > > - bill > > >$= > > Stop cross-posting to sci.space.shuttle and we will . . .o >yI > If you don't like scope of the conversation, by all means encourage the)A > perpetrator to narrow it.  Since I doubt that he's a denizen ofC comp.os.vms,9 > discouraging him only here isn't likely to do any good.-  I Whoops - hadn't noticed that the sender had limited his message to c.o.v.iL Why he didn't simply use email is not clear, but I've now used it to respond to him.e   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:32:35 GMTy# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a& Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summaryL Message-ID: <nhQtb.88675$Rah1.50408@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Dave Gudewicz wrote:F > Back from 4 days of the VMS advanced technical bootcamp in ZKO land.F > With ZKO being literally down the street from the hotel, it was easyG > to have people come and go during the week for presentations, etc., a D > very good idea.  Andy, Hoff, Fred, Bart, Mark and many others were > there. >oE > In summary a very good event with lots of good info (sorry much wasnE > non-disclosure).  Sue did a wonderful job of organizing and gettingn > things to happen on schedule.b > G > Bruce Ellis was there and we saw 2 of his videos.  Great stuff.  Lotsr > of good laughs., >dC > I know others here will feel differently, but I came away feelingiF > pretty good about VMS and where its going.  I intend to pass this on > whenever I can.n >aA > The VMS Ambassadors have a session this coming week at the sames0 > place.  Sue is heading up that effort as well. >g/ > Look for the 2004 event in the May timeframe.-      I "I know others here will feel differently, but I came away feeling prettye$ good about VMS and where its going."I --- I'm sure that the *existing* customer base will feel comfortable with1L the *technical* direction of VMS, but unless the customer base is *expanded*D significantly, how long do you think the investment in the technical direction will continue?    * "I intend to pass this on whenever I can."L --- I do the same. It's just that many *prospective* customers would like to* hear that from HP itself...and they don't.    D "In summary a very good event with lots of good info (sorry much was non-disclosure)."mH --- That sounds an awful lot like the current state of VMS marketing andA advertising ....non-disclosure. Did they show you previews of theiE forthcoming "VMS  - The Secure Enterprise" (tm) or "Computing Throughr< Disasters" (tm) non-advertising campaigns?....I thought not.    L Please pass the foregoing on to Mark...you seem to have a close relationshipK with him. I don't mean that in a snide manner...past posts of yours seem tonI indicate that Mark responds to you frequently. Last time I got a responsehL from Mark or Rich was in 2001, irrespective of the subject or tone and tenor of the remarks to them.s  * (c) 2003, John Smith. All Rights Reserved.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:13:43 -0600i, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>" Subject: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary/ Message-ID: <vrfj392pt5h1eb@corp.supernews.com>   J Back from 4 days of the VMS advanced technical bootcamp in ZKO land.  WithG ZKO being literally down the street from the hotel, it was easy to havecG people come and go during the week for presentations, etc., a very goodY? idea.  Andy, Hoff, Fred, Bart, Mark and many others were there.f  C In summary a very good event with lots of good info (sorry much was J non-disclosure).  Sue did a wonderful job of organizing and getting things to happen on schedule.  H Bruce Ellis was there and we saw 2 of his videos.  Great stuff.  Lots of good laughs.  H I know others here will feel differently, but I came away feeling prettyH good about VMS and where its going.  I intend to pass this on whenever I can.  K The VMS Ambassadors have a session this coming week at the same place.  SueD" is heading up that effort as well.  - Look for the 2004 event in the May timeframe.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:51:28 +0100l" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>& Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary4 Message-ID: <3fb7d541$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Dave Gudewicz wrote:  L > Back from 4 days of the VMS advanced technical bootcamp in ZKO land.  WithI > ZKO being literally down the street from the hotel, it was easy to haverI > people come and go during the week for presentations, etc., a very goodaA > idea.  Andy, Hoff, Fred, Bart, Mark and many others were there.t > E > In summary a very good event with lots of good info (sorry much washL > non-disclosure).  Sue did a wonderful job of organizing and getting things > to happen on schedule. > J > Bruce Ellis was there and we saw 2 of his videos.  Great stuff.  Lots of > good laughs. > J > I know others here will feel differently, but I came away feeling prettyJ > good about VMS and where its going.  I intend to pass this on whenever I > can. > M > The VMS Ambassadors have a session this coming week at the same place.  Sueo$ > is heading up that effort as well.   Any Frenchies?   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:35:09 GMTv5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) & Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summaryL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1611031536100001@user-uinj0ie.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleG <nhQtb.88675$Rah1.50408@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Johnn Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:     >uM >Please pass the foregoing on to Mark...you seem to have a close relationshipeL >with him. I don't mean that in a snide manner...past posts of yours seem toJ >indicate that Mark responds to you frequently. Last time I got a responseM >from Mark or Rich was in 2001, irrespective of the subject or tone and tenorw >of the remarks to them.  > Did you use your real name and address, or were you anonymous?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:57:03 -0600i, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>& Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary. Message-ID: <vrfp51mmja19b@corp.supernews.com>  * I use my own name, rank and serial number.  B "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote in messageF news:rdeininger-1611031536100001@user-uinj0ie.dialup.mindspring.com... > In articleI > <nhQtb.88675$Rah1.50408@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Johnr  > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >  >i > >hB > >Please pass the foregoing on to Mark...you seem to have a close relationshipK > >with him. I don't mean that in a snide manner...past posts of yours seema toL > >indicate that Mark responds to you frequently. Last time I got a responseI > >from Mark or Rich was in 2001, irrespective of the subject or tone andl tenorc > >of the remarks to them. >b@ > Did you use your real name and address, or were you anonymous?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:02:39 -0600h, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>& Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary/ Message-ID: <vrfpfdc4s9eifc@corp.supernews.com>o  J Yes, there were a number of Frenchies!  I'd guess around half a dozen.  We2 were told that 55 or so were from outside the U.S.  F Countries that come to mind:  Australia, Iceland, UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands.i    / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messagel. news:3fb7d541$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > Dave Gudewicz wrote: > H > > Back from 4 days of the VMS advanced technical bootcamp in ZKO land. WithK > > ZKO being literally down the street from the hotel, it was easy to haveRK > > people come and go during the week for presentations, etc., a very goodhC > > idea.  Andy, Hoff, Fred, Bart, Mark and many others were there.  > > G > > In summary a very good event with lots of good info (sorry much was)G > > non-disclosure).  Sue did a wonderful job of organizing and getting  things > > to happen on schedule. > >oL > > Bruce Ellis was there and we saw 2 of his videos.  Great stuff.  Lots of > > good laughs. > >nL > > I know others here will feel differently, but I came away feeling prettyL > > good about VMS and where its going.  I intend to pass this on whenever I > > can. > >fJ > > The VMS Ambassadors have a session this coming week at the same place. Sues& > > is heading up that effort as well. >a > Any Frenchies? >p > D. >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:50:18 -0600 , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>& Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary/ Message-ID: <vrfs8o6migh44b@corp.supernews.com>i  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF news:nhQtb.88675$Rah1.50408@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Dave Gudewicz wrote:H > > Back from 4 days of the VMS advanced technical bootcamp in ZKO land.H > > With ZKO being literally down the street from the hotel, it was easyI > > to have people come and go during the week for presentations, etc., aMF > > very good idea.  Andy, Hoff, Fred, Bart, Mark and many others were
 > > there. > > G > > In summary a very good event with lots of good info (sorry much wasvG > > non-disclosure).  Sue did a wonderful job of organizing and getting>! > > things to happen on schedule.o > >aI > > Bruce Ellis was there and we saw 2 of his videos.  Great stuff.  Lotsa > > of good laughs.a > >oE > > I know others here will feel differently, but I came away feeling.H > > pretty good about VMS and where its going.  I intend to pass this on > > whenever I can.a > >tC > > The VMS Ambassadors have a session this coming week at the samet2 > > place.  Sue is heading up that effort as well. > >C1 > > Look for the 2004 event in the May timeframe.m >@ >t >.K > "I know others here will feel differently, but I came away feeling pretty & > good about VMS and where its going."K > --- I'm sure that the *existing* customer base will feel comfortable withgC > the *technical* direction of VMS, but unless the customer base isp
 *expanded*F > significantly, how long do you think the investment in the technical > direction will continue? ><   I cannot answer that question.  , > "I intend to pass this on whenever I can."K > --- I do the same. It's just that many *prospective* customers would like> to, > hear that from HP itself...and they don't. >e >lF > "In summary a very good event with lots of good info (sorry much was > non-disclosure)." J > --- That sounds an awful lot like the current state of VMS marketing andC > advertising ....non-disclosure. Did they show you previews of thenG > forthcoming "VMS  - The Secure Enterprise" (tm) or "Computing Throughl> > Disasters" (tm) non-advertising campaigns?....I thought not. >.  " Non-disclosure means exactly that.  A > Please pass the foregoing on to Mark...you seem to have a close  relationshipJ > with him. I don't mean that in a snide manner...past posts of yours seem toK > indicate that Mark responds to you frequently. Last time I got a responseaH > from Mark or Rich was in 2001, irrespective of the subject or tone and tenorp > of the remarks to them.0  I My intentions are to write to Mark, Rich and perhaps others thanking them  for last week.  , > (c) 2003, John Smith. All Rights Reserved. >  >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:00:33 -0600_5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info>t& Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary: Message-ID: <bp8vlk$1l56t6$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>  % I am sure about Israel and Japan too.o  G Watch out for some pictures from the event soon (need to get the films  
 developed ;-)e   Greetings, Martinh   Dave Gudewicz wrote:L > Yes, there were a number of Frenchies!  I'd guess around half a dozen.  We4 > were told that 55 or so were from outside the U.S. > H > Countries that come to mind:  Australia, Iceland, UK, France, Belgium, > Germany, Netherlands.n >  > 1 > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messageF0 > news:3fb7d541$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr... >  >>Dave Gudewicz wrote: >> >>G >>>Back from 4 days of the VMS advanced technical bootcamp in ZKO land.e >  > With >  >> >>Any Frenchies? >> >>D. >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:42:45 +0100>" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>& Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary4 Message-ID: <3fb85fe2$0$10402$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Martin P.J. Zinser wrote:S > ' > I am sure about Israel and Japan too.o > I > Watch out for some pictures from the event soon (need to get the films > > developed ;-)p  C In France we have digital cameras, very useful. No need to develop dG anything. I heard that you can find them in Japan too. The distributor s name is soni or such.Y   :-)    D.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 2003 20:52:55 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at>s, Subject: Re: [ASOVMS V7.3-2] What licenses ?+ Message-ID: <Xns9435DE93F395hbchp@10.0.0.3>    Hallo Peter,  7 Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:e  H > While playing around with LMF$DISPLAY_OPCOM_MESSAGE, I saw today a lot8 > of OPCOMs. Some are (at least for me) surprising like: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  16-NOV-2003 09:48:36.62  %%%%%%%%%%%" > Message from user SYSTEM on LUNAJ > %LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, DEC PWLMXXXCA08.00 use is not authorized on this nodeF > -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product3 > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager  >  <snip>  H > I'm running ASOMVMS V7.3-A2 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 and have a license& > PAK named PWLMXXXCA07.03 loaded, so:  F Hmmm... how are these licenses configured? Do you use server-based or J client-based licensing? From your observations, I'll assume your licenses D are all in the "server-based" group for the rest of this discussion.  I Do you have PWRK$LR_DISABLE_CLIENT_PING defined to anything other than 0?nJ If not, the license server first tries to find a client-based license for G this client before it assigns a server-based license. And it does this   search by...  eF > 1) it seems, that ASOVMS does a good job for scanning also for newerF > PAK versions than the current product requires (you might know, thatD > a newer license includes the right to run the older version of theF > product, but it would not work if the product doesn't accept the PAK > then)   I ...scanning not only for a license with the requested version number but :K also for up to four more major and three more minor version numbers as the wG requested license specifies. These ranges are also configurable with a  K logical name (PWRK$LICENSE_VERSION_LIMIT). All the gory details are buried sE in the "Guide to Managing Advanced Server Licenses", particularly in a section 3.3.  aD > 2) it seems, that ASOVMS scans for all license versions regardless2 > whether it already found a valid license or not.  ? No, it doesn't - at least, if my assumption about your license  J configuration is correct. It first searches for all possible client-based 5 licenses before it checks for a server-based license.o   Hope this helps, Hans.  -- n2 ------------ speaking only for myself ------------2 Hans Bachner           E-Mail: Hans.Bachner@hp.com& HP Services / Consulting & Integration2 Hewlett-Packard Ges.m.b.H.          Linz / Austria   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.637 ************************