1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 17 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 638       Contents: Re: alpha box and licence too? Re: alpha box and licence too?- Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled 8 Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE8 Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE( Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1( Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1( Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1 Re: Erasing a disk Re: Erasing disks: conclusion  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  eXcursion X Server Question , Re: Fonts for printing from a decwindows app Re: Help W/NAS proposal...= Re: How to determine how much TAPE-GB is required for DISK-GB  Re: IA64 TPC results Re: IA64 TPC results# Re: Image needs to know where it is / Installing Pathworks on a PC: no licence server 3 Re: Installing Pathworks on a PC: no licence server & Re: MAIL /SMTP refusing .. in username Re: Main memory for galaxy1 New maynagement software Nimbus also for OpenVMS? & Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?& Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?0 Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15.& Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_
 PHP Apache& Please enter date and time then freeze* Re: Please enter date and time then freeze Re: Save Set Manager Text library browser/editor  Re: Text library browser/editor  Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary   Re: VMS Defragmentation Software  Re: VMS Defragmentation Software  VMS73_Driver v4.0 (ALP) Problem?$ Re: VMS73_Driver v4.0 (ALP) Problem? Re: xscreensaver, Re: xscreenserver makevms.com compile errors* [OT:] G5 looking pretty fast, pretty cheap Re: [OT] NetBSD and Linux   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 07:56:27 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? 3 Message-ID: <XupOV4J2U5BR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <smfarvsm2mmicrd65ogv1jqp0l7mrajc9i@4ax.com>, tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com writes: > j1076366@cfl.rr.com  > D >  Do any of you know where to buy an old/used Alpha (like a Digital > Alphastation)?  8    eBay.  UMD Terrapin Trader.  GSFC public auction. ...  7 >  I want to get the VMS Hobbyist License ($30) and run  > VMS AT HOME!!!!!      $30?  Nope.  Free!    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 10:34:58 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) ' Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? = Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0311171034.6a56e123@posting.google.com>   ] tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com wrote in message news:<smfarvsm2mmicrd65ogv1jqp0l7mrajc9i@4ax.com>...  > j1076366@cfl.rr.com  > D >  Do any of you know where to buy an old/used Alpha (like a DigitalF > Alphastation)?  I want to get the VMS Hobbyist License ($30) and runH > VMS AT HOME!!!!!  I've done some internet searches but not many pop upF > and those that do seem to be too expensive for the age/configuration  & Expensive depends on your price range.  C I was able to acquire an AlphaServer 2100A RM with two (2) B2040-BA F CPU cards (5/300) and four (4) 512MB RAM cards (for 2GB RAM total) forB $375 through eBay.  I picked up two more B2040-BA CPUs and can now6 configure it either with 3CPU/2GB RAM or 4CPU/1GB RAM.  C Now, I think that is a SCREAMING deal.  And, it has a lot of power.   D As an Encompass member($) you get the Hobbyist license for free.  It" is the media that you have to get.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:41:32 -0000 - From: "Paul Blay" <ranma@saotome.demon.co.uk> 6 Subject: Re: An apology to all the groups I've trolled4 Message-ID: <bpa549$3of$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   *follow-ups trimmed*   "Warren Oates" wrote ...7 > In article <YF6jUEAlaht$Iwmm@courtlands.demon.co.uk>, 2 >  Simon Elliott <simon@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote: > C > :Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above G > :address. It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail 
 > :services.   > 
 > You reckon?   ) The unbelievable bit was the apology. ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:52:05 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>A Subject: Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE 2 Message-ID: <3fb87e46$0$240$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:   > Hello VMS-ers, > ATTN: Guy Peleg! > H > I'd like to see an error message when you open the same logical name a > second time: >  > $ OPEN FOO FILE.TMP  > .  > $ OPEN FOO OTHER.TMP > F > I'd like to see an error message for this saying that FOO is already > pointing to FILE.TMP.   - Famous issue without solution for the moment.  My solution (well, nearly :-)    $ if f$trnlnm("ch") .nes. "" $ then $    write sys$output - F       "Channel already assigned to logical name CH at line ", f$line() $    goto STATUS_30  $ else $    open/read ch myfile $ endif    D. --  ;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News F   www.openvms.org/dmorandi/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf (en USA mirror)A www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf (en Europe) A www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf (fr Europe) 7               Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com   F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation F Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 09:57:52 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)A Subject: Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0311170957.35e1b42e@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FB827F0.6457B6DF@istop.com>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > $ OPEN FOO FILE.TMP  > > $ OPEN FOO OTHER.TMP > > H > > I'd like to see an error message for this saying that FOO is already > > pointing to FILE.TMP.  > / > This might break existing procedures though.    D It seems to me that it would only break procedures that have bugs inD them which should be fixed anyway. If you open the same logical nameB to different files in the command procedure, and if these two OPEN@ statements are far apart, the OPEN statement that runs while theF logical name has already been opened by a prior OPEN statement will be- misleading to a user looking at the DCL code.   E I understand the desire to not break existing code, but I don't think 0 that should be the be all and end all criterion.    > (unless the error message is aM > success message which means that no "ON ERROR/WARNING" would be triggered.)   ? In this case it should be an informational message. Otherwise a B warning ($SEVERITY=0) or error ($SEVERITY=2) would be appropriate.  J > Another option would be to add some qualifier for OPEN to request such a( > message if the file is already opened.  )     $ OPEN/PLEASE_INFORM_ME_OF_ERRORS ...   	 or maybe         $ OPEN/INFORM    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 10:37:09 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 1 Subject: Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1 - Message-ID: <3fb896c5$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   
 In articleA <rdeininger-1511030722340001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>, 7 rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: . >In article <3fb4dab6$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>,E >vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote:  >  >>Hi,  >>A >>I just saw that there is a driver update for OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3. > >>I'm not very happy about the dqdriver-version, because this > >>version (X-26A1) seems to be older than for V7.3-1 (X-35A3).% >>Why is V7.3 and V7.3-1 out of sync?  > @ >Why would you expect them to be in sync for these two versions? >   G I claim the source is the same. See the freeware version, that compiles  and F runs fine on V7.3 and V7.3-1. I have a newer version from Hoff Hoffman that behaves the same.   eberhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:51:24 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) 1 Subject: Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1 L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1711030552270001@user-uinj46k.dialup.mindspring.com>  - In article <3fb896c5$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, D vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote:   >In article B ><rdeininger-1511030722340001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>,8 >rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:/ >>In article <3fb4dab6$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, F >>vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote: >> >>>Hi,   >>> B >>>I just saw that there is a driver update for OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3.? >>>I'm not very happy about the dqdriver-version, because this  ? >>>version (X-26A1) seems to be older than for V7.3-1 (X-35A3). & >>>Why is V7.3 and V7.3-1 out of sync? >>A >>Why would you expect them to be in sync for these two versions?  >> > ! >I claim the source is the same.     Well, it's NOT the same.  ( >See the freeware version, that compiles >andG >runs fine on V7.3 and V7.3-1. I have a newer version from Hoff Hoffman  >that behaves the same.   H I'm sure the freeware version lacks the recent bug fixes.  While it willJ work in the vast majority of cases, rigorous testing with certain hardware combinations will expose bugs.     -- Robert    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 13:24:48 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 1 Subject: Re: Dqdriver Version Diff. V7.3 / V7.3-1 - Message-ID: <3fb8be10$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   
 In articleA <rdeininger-1711030552270001@user-uinj46k.dialup.mindspring.com>, 7 rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: . >In article <3fb896c5$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>,E >vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote:  >  >>In articleC >><rdeininger-1511030722340001@user-105n83l.dialup.mindspring.com>, 9 >>rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: 0 >>>In article <3fb4dab6$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>,G >>>vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote:  >>>  >>>>Hi,  >>>>C >>>>I just saw that there is a driver update for OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3. @ >>>>I'm not very happy about the dqdriver-version, because this @ >>>>version (X-26A1) seems to be older than for V7.3-1 (X-35A3).' >>>>Why is V7.3 and V7.3-1 out of sync?  >>> B >>>Why would you expect them to be in sync for these two versions? >>>  >>" >>I claim the source is the same.  >  >Well, it's NOT the same.   @ In the newest version where you find IA64-parts I cannot see anyG indication that this code is V7.3-1 specifiic. Could you give me a hint % from where your knowledge comes from?    > ) >>See the freeware version, that compiles  >>and H >>runs fine on V7.3 and V7.3-1. I have a newer version from Hoff Hoffman >>that behaves the same. > I >I'm sure the freeware version lacks the recent bug fixes.  While it will B >work in the vast majority of cases, rigorous testing with certain	 >hardware  >combinations will expose bugs.  >  >  -- Robert >    eberhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:08:46 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Erasing a disk 8 Message-ID: <l4phrvs4dd7j56aavj5kacoc877nmmi60s@4ax.com>  4 On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:17 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) wrote:   > N >> Interesting how people will go to extremes to wipe off hard drives, but one6 >> rarely hears about safe ways to erase backup tapes. >>   >Tapes burn very well.  K If you can ignore the noxious fumes that are otherwise closely regulated in H the U.S. by the EPA, DNR, and probably even somewhere in the Patriot Act [sic]. .    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 07:54:22 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Erasing disks: conclusion3 Message-ID: <FohlBbG6Ltca@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3FB56075.D7B7EBB@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  > William Webb wrote: E >> There is a certain agency of the federal government located in the G >> state of Maryland at an installation with Meade as part of its name.  > K > That information is public, you need not try to conceal it. Since I am in O > Canada where we still have freedom of speech: It is the NSA, headquartered at  > Fort Meade Maryland. >  > http://www.nsa.gov  F    Despite the behaviour of the current administration, no such agencyD    has it's own sign on the side of the highway now.  Just don't try    to drive up that exit ramp.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:29:32 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!8 Message-ID: <9imhrvcu0g61v0otm7o3jd8btuhl9fq6ma@4ax.com>  H On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:30:48 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  I >Time to take a slightly closer look at some of this revisionist history:  >   J Still the same old song from you Bill.  It must be nice to be able to call/ all the shots from the safety of your armchair.   K When it's *your* business balance sheet on the line, maybe your ideas would  hold water.    > J >Forward by something between 1 and 2 quarters, the rest of the discussion >made clear. > E >Now, if you've got a product that's completely failing to attain its K >performance goals, you don't normally plan to *speed up* its introduction, L >rather the reverse (while you try to work the problems out of it).  Unless,L >that is, you've already decided (as of last June or earlier) not to produceK >it at all but instead substitute an existing product that you already know 5 >can run substantially faster than its current speed.  >   J It's easy to pass judgements when you don't suffer the consequences of theD decisions, nor have all the information that's available to the REALC decision makers.  They planned for a performance boost, and they're ? delivering one.  It's not up to you to decide how they do this.   F Their job is to manage this company and make it profitable, not yours.H They have the difficult job of deciding how much investment to make, andK they have to analyze the expected ROI for those dollars.  In the end, their 9 success is defined on the return, not on the expenditure.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:47:19 -0600   From: Hauser <Hauser@Fauske.com>$ Subject: eXcursion X Server QuestionG Message-ID: <A1EA7E17D10A2D4691F78432FDB5DE4757057F@server4.FAUSKE.COM>   D We have for some time used an old version (V3.0.571 May 22, 1997) ofI eXcursion for X-Windows communications on our LAN (TCPIP) to connect from J PC's with various flavors of MS-Windows to Alpha VMS V7.3. It works great. In fact, by running    @SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUP.COM,    A I can even get the "New Desktop for VMS" working on my PC screen.   J We have also successfully used the product to connect through the InternetJ over dial up lines. Also works fine but somewhat slow. Now the question: AH user recently upgraded from dial up to a DSL line at home with a router.J When trying to make the same connection as before the application (in thisK case a Terminal) never appears on his screen.  With Logging enabled he sees  :   @ X Application Startup   Information  rexec: connection succeeded' X Application Startup   Information  OK     At the VMS system console I see:  # Message from user INTERnet on DS10A D INTERnet ACP REXEC Accept Request from Host: nnn.nnn.n.nn Port: nnnn  L This pretty much the normal set of messages, but no application appears even after a very long wait.   F The router has a firewall and is set to allow TCPIP, FTP, and X-WindowK applications to pass. The user has even tried turning the firewall off with K the same results. Has anyone else out there had a similar problem and found  a solution?    Thanks for any and all help.  
 George Hauser    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 08:10:14 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Fonts for printing from a decwindows app 3 Message-ID: <md1ByGK62wlt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FB6D015.F1AF57E6@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > I > Also, VMS does have its own print widget, but it lacks features such as O > knowing what type of printer is at the other end of a print queue, as well as + > ability to have printer-specific dialog.   >   B    Those features are there, and controlled by decw$print* logical@    names.  They do tend to classify and user features instead of    manufacturer's model number.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 10:36:11 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) # Subject: Re: Help W/NAS proposal... = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0311171036.5cb00213@posting.google.com>   X "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<bo9g1d$dq9@library2.airnews.net>...L >    There are a lot of smart people here... it would appear that there is aM > way to take two NAS units, set them up to mirror a volume between Baltimore D > and Reno and then have an OpenVMS system place AIJ files there forL > replication to the remote site.  The NAS boxes will handle everything, theH > question at hand is how to make the local NAS disk a target of VMS I/O > operations...?  A NAS boxes (or anything running NFS, for that matter) are based on D different underlying design assumptions and will have very differentB failure and recovery characteristics from what you're used to withD HBVS on VMS, so I think a solution of that type has very low odds of success.  E You can use a paired set of various brands of boxes (CNT, SAN Valley, E SAN Castle, etc.) to bridge a Fibre Channel SAN over your Cisco-based B IP connection, and then either use HBVS to shadow to Fibre ChannelE disks located at your remote site, or else do controller-based remote A mirroring via Data Replication Manager (DRM) or Continuous Access  (CA).   @ Details of how SANs can be extended over various inter-site linkD technologies are available in the 'hp StorageWorks Continuous Access and Data6 Replication Manager SAN Extensions Reference Guide' at_ http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/UCR/SupportManual/TPM_aa-ru5cc-te/TPM_aa-ru5cc-te.pdf B  (In tests to determine what worked with CA/DRM, I'm told HBVS wasD also tested over the same equipment at the same time.)  Distances ofE half-way around the globe (even partway to the moon) were tested with C HBVS and worked, although performance degrades as the distance gets > longer, of course, due to the speed of light.  At 2,500 miles,> round-trip latency would amount to somewhere between 40 and 50
 milliseconds.   D What's not officially supported at 2,500 miles is having VMS clusterF nodes at both sites up and running in the same cluster simultaneously.C  Presumably at your DR site you'd have some VMS servers attached to D the Fibre Channel fabric standing by to be used to access the remoteE copy of data in the event of loss of the primary site.  They couldn't F have access to the remote disks until that failure occured, of course.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:14:43 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>F Subject: Re: How to determine how much TAPE-GB is required for DISK-GB: Message-ID: <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONGEOECFAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  P there should be some technical informations about the interrecordgap size, aboutN the parity and CRC need and BACKUP mangement need. This should be public list.3 If this would be there, you can use a formula like: O (used diskspace/recordsize)*interrecordgap + used diskspace + parity overhead + " BACKUP overhead + #of blocks/GROUPN Easier would it be to have some values like the following: /GROUP=10 (default)J and CRC (default) the overhead over all is about 50% and with /GROUP=0 andF /noCRC the overhead is about 10% (both values are for big blocksizes).  K Hope this helps a little bit. My experience ist that we will get 240GB to a P SDLT320 tape with /GROUP=0 and /noCRC and /BLOCKSIZE=32768 (compression was on).   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:32:19 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: IA64 TPC results ' Message-ID: <bpabij$a7s$1@lore.csc.com>   F (Our news server hiccoughed but here it is from a draft (but Fred said most of this already))   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 5 > In article <v$qZzaILi6V1@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 7 >         young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  > >  > > P > > "However, I also spoke with two major OEMs that design their own proprietaryS > > IA64 chipsets and systems. Both indicated that they were unable to keep up with  > H > And VMS is going to support all these varied and proprietary chipsets?( > Sounds like a boon for Linux, not VMS.  G From my understanding (taken from a HP architect), and I'm sure I'll be D corrected if I'm wrong, is that VMS will be SUPPORTED on IA64 and HPC chipset. Because VMS is going into software (no PALcode or hardware A dependencies) providing, as you'd expect, that other chipsets are E compatible/compliant, that VMS will run there as well. e.g. (this old G chestnut) HP will not be producing an IA64 lap top^H^H^H cooker, but if A another vendor produces one VMS should run on it. However, if you G telephoned support and asked them about the support of a PCMCIA card or A the embedded gigabit card, I reckon it would be a short telephone 
 conversation.   ? While speaking of linux, I can't really say any more but in the G enterprise space, in regard to SANS it appears quite limited, as far as D I can see linux is a solution with its own set of problems, that VMS
 doesn't have.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:49:30 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: IA64 TPC results 8 Message-ID: <0lnhrvc8lluqqp22tobfmm3aem2lt63iji@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:18:47 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote: M >> Specific CPU issues (like EV79 vs EV7z) themselves are seen as unimportant 5 >> by nearly all of the customers I work with daily -  > L >It isn't so much the specific issue, but rather HP's behaviour. Perhaps theJ >overwhelming lack of visibility and marketing/actions to support VMS makeO >Alpha's broken promise pale in comparison when the time comes to evaluate long 9 >term strategy on what platform a company would build on.   E Again, YOU care about the distinction between EV79 and EV7z, but most K managers do not.  They were promised a performance boost, and they're going K to get one.  It'll last them quite awhile in most cases.  So this idea that J there's some "broken promise" in this specific issue is mostly only in the mindes of techy people.    > M >We, the loyalists, can sell VMS on its technical merits. But because of HP's O >behaviour, we cannot sell VMS as a long term platform because the vendor can't 
 >be trusted.    I This is garbage.  The business customer (or, should I say *most* business G customers) would look at this as a non-issue, as long as their platform H would provide them the performance they need now, and in the foreseeableG future for their business plans.  To a business manager, what, exactly, I seems untrustworthy to them?  They were promised support into the future, 2 with performance speedups.  They're getting those.   > M >Routers are a good example. Look at the number of firms who no longer bother C >supporting DECNET. That is a sign that they don't expect their VMS L >infrastructure to grow and VMS to go away "soon" so why bother paying extra% >for DECnet support on their network.   E A good example of what?  If customers wanted their routers to support K DECnet, they'd push their router vendors to support it.  Since they are not K doing this (TCP/IP having become the standard), it's perfectly natural that H the router vendors would drop support for DECnet.  How this ties back toI the earlier discusion is unclear, however.  It appears to be just another 3 branch off into a neverland where gripes never end.    > L >Instead of trying to change the tide and change negative opinions of people* >about VMS, HP has been re-enforcing them.  H This discussion was about Alpha... how do you take yet another turn likeJ this into something really unrelated?  Doesn't your mind get tired of this unrestrained meandering?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:53:33 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>, Subject: Re: Image needs to know where it is8 Message-ID: <m3ohrv4k3plk5cfsftpifpefi21jn407o4@4ax.com>  H On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:23:41 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Stuart Johnson wrote:L >> I strongly agree with the use of system (if the utility is to be globallyE >> available) level logicals; for one thing, they are documentation!   > I >Don't forget that you then have to define the system wide logical during I >system boot, and then define the foreign command symbol in sylogin.com.   > G >I would think that defining the foreign command would be sufficient to J >document where the application resides, and having it defined in 2 places0 >would in fact make it a tad harder to maintain.  J This is last statement is just not true - although it would depend on each' person's definition of "tad" I suppose.   K Certainly the use of the logical will make the system manager's life easier H as the number of programs/applications grows, and system changes must beH made.  It can easily save months each year of support time.  I've seen aG generic "kits" area grow from a dozen files to a few thousand.  It gets K much more difficult to manage that mess than it does to manage a few system 	 logicals.   G It all comes down to the operating disciplines you use, the process and J procecedures, etc.  Proper procedures should always be defined anyway, for a good stable environment.  I And if a system manager can't manage system logicals, they should be in a  different line of work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:15:09 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>8 Subject: Installing Pathworks on a PC: no licence server2 Message-ID: <3fb8e618$0$246$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  D I recently installed pathworks on my Presario to share my VMS disks. The install went fine.  , After PC reboot, I got this message (twice):N "Unable to obtain a license for DEC PWXXWINAT07.01 from license group default"  M As I was never asked to provide such info, I'm not surprised, but I would be  L very glad to know where to start from in the doc to "set up a license group 	 default".    Many thanks,   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:12:50 +0100 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>< Subject: Re: Installing Pathworks on a PC: no licence server: Message-ID: <bpb387$1ljsjk$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  1 "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> schreef in bericht , news:3fb8e618$0$246$636a55ce@news.free.fr...F > I recently installed pathworks on my Presario to share my VMS disks. > The install went fine. > . > After PC reboot, I got this message (twice):G > "Unable to obtain a license for DEC PWXXWINAT07.01 from license group  default" > K > As I was never asked to provide such info, I'm not surprised, but I would  beG > very glad to know where to start from in the doc to "set up a license  group  > default".  >  > Many thanks, >  > D. >  Didier  I it may be an invitation to install a PAK with that name on the VMSserver. H Alternatively, during the installation PW32 asks whether you want clientL based or server based licenses. Could it be you selected server based? If so try the client based mechanism.    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:42:56 -0500 $ From: "dafond" <dafond@videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: MAIL /SMTP refusing .. in username 7 Message-ID: <WY_tb.47783$ti.831604@weber.videotron.net>   K You have to use the SMTP server of your wireless carrier.  Ex, For Rogers =  smtp.rogerswirelessdata.com   . Call customer support, it is a common question   Dan         0 "Nik" <mnjensen@netvigator.com> wrote in message3 news:18TA9LM937941.7878819444@Gilgamesh-frog.org... - > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  > L > >I have been given an internet email address such as F..Chef@chocolate.com > > B > >However, MAIL refuses to accept this user. I have tried various permutationsF > >with quotes to no avail. Does anyone know the proper incantation of	 quotes or 4 > >other gadget to make MAIL and SMTP% accept this ? >  > Try some of these........  > & > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> $ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> * > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> ' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> % > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org> " > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> & > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> # > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org> " > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> ' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> ( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> ' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> ( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> * > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> ' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> & > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> * > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> $ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> ( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> + > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> $ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> ) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> , > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  > Q <queue@continuum.net>  > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:33:00 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> # Subject: Re: Main memory for galaxy 9 Message-ID: <bpaimd$1m11qv$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Paul Sture wrote:  > Roy Omond wrote: >>   >> Martin Vorlaender wrote:  >>   >>> [... snip ...]G >>>>  Paul:  What exactly is GCU?  I am not familiar with that Acronym.  >>> ! >>> Galaxy Configuration Utility.  >>> H >>> A graphical (DWmotif) application that shows the partitioning of the" >>> machine. Drap-and-drop CPUs... >>> & >>> It resides in SYS$EXAMPLES:, IIRC. >>  , >> Small correction: it's Sys$System:GCU.Exe >> at least in VMS 7.3-1.  >  > Ah, but there is also: > ( > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES] > < > GCU$BALANCER.C;1    GCU$BALANCER.CLD;1  GCU$BALANCER.EXE;1 > 3 > I haven't used either, so cannot comment further.?  # Right, that's the one I remembered. F It's an example of how to automatically transfer CPUs between Galaxies based on load.   cu,    Martin -- EF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deVF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:16:18 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>: Subject: New maynagement software Nimbus also for OpenVMS?: Message-ID: <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONKEOECFAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  O today I red, that HP will produce a new management software called Nimbus. ThisPL software should function on Windows, Linux und HP-UX. I did not red anythingN about OpenVMS. But the mention should be: one managment software, one look and  feel for it on all OS platforms.   Best regards Rudolf Wingertn   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 06:38:31 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?r< Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0311170638.4177897@posting.google.com>  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FB84F7B.60519F38@istop.com>...o > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:I > => All the prices are quoted are adjusted for the split. When I said itsJ > > went from $55 to $31, at the time that was actually $110 to $62. So my > > argument stands. > N > It was my understanding that The big fall occured before the split, I recallL > the $120 cstock thumbling to about $50 and staying there for a long while.  D So what's your point? This agrees with my statement. (There were twoF peaks, your $120 is slightly earlier and higher than the one I quoted, a rather minor point.)  M > When Microsoft realised that people were losing interest in its stock which P > showed no promise of rising anymore, Microsoft was forced to announce it wouldO > start paying dividends. (especially since so many emnployees had been paid inSM > stock options their stock was losing value and not yielding any divends, so & > ther "back pay" never materialised).  D I looked up this dividend. It looks to me that it's only 0.6%. I can do better at the bank!   > P > At that time, the stock was split 2 for 1 and then traded in the $25 range. MyP > understanding was that it would make the dividend look better if the stock wasM > of a lesser value and would probably make it easier for the laymen to thinka > the stock was underpriced. > P > A stock split also makes it harder to compare with the past. You see the stock? > rise from $25 to $30, instead of thinking it used to be $120.     D If you simply bother to look it up on the Internet, you'll find thatF the charts are adjusted for the split. To make it clear: They plot theF prices of the stock from the time of the split forward. Then they takeD the prices before the split, divide by 2, and plot that, providing aE perfectly fine plot that allows a perfectly fair comparison of pricesAB before and after the split. This makes it easy for the layman, and everyone else.   What is your point?s   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmann   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:34:47 GMT-& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>/ Subject: Re: Only hope for Intel is alpha chip?d8 Message-ID: <d2uhrvkitclicpib2up1r4nftfc6ddrrda@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:57:50 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   > M >Now, look at Intel: if it is forced to announce that its IA64 is a financialuD >flop and all investments will have to be written off, because thoseO >investments were not trivial, such a move would very nagitevly affect Intel onaK >the stock market. On the heels of AMD's 64 bit 8086, if Intel has to admitoH >that not only was IA64 not a wise investment, but its focus on IA64 hasK >resulted in Intel not having a 64 bit 8086 to compete against AMD would ben' >very bad news for intel's stock price.e   IF, IF, IF, IF.e  D Your supposed hypothetical *assumes* the conclusion:  That IA64 is a- mistake.  That's called begging the question.,  D There's every indication that IA64 can certainly be a good processorH contender, and maybe one of the best.  It's not as mature as many othersK (e.g., Power), but it's certainly not any less proven than other new-comersa (i.e., AMD).   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 05:08:36 -0800. From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (Dieter  Ro?bach)9 Subject: Re: Oracle Migration Problem when going to ds15.t< Message-ID: <e1d40caf.0311170508.c797a8a@posting.google.com>  $ Problem solved, thanks to everybody:  E In ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK.ADMIN]ORASRV_BEQ_<instance>.COM I made a mistakeeD when changing the devicename, just missed a letter! Litte cause, big% trouble. Now Oracle is up an running!r   Thank you againa   Dieter   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:57:22 +0100s( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>/ Subject: Re: OT: Did you really write this JF?_ : Message-ID: <bpb2bg$1lpgvt$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  1 "Miguel Cruz" <mnc@admin.u.nu> schreef in berichtA/ news:dVStb.63931$E9.148@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...A+ > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:3G > > Unfortunately, once a creature like this infests a newsgroup if onec doesn't-L > > make it clear to him that his efforts are if anything counter-productive toL > > his goals he's likely to continue (and in fact I remember this pseudonym* > > from the past, so he *has* continued). >7D > It's Latin for "name unknown"; I think it is the default pseudonym attached% > by one or more anonymous remailers.o >o > miguel > -- .: > See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/  J Actually nescio translates from Latin as "I do not know". The chosen alias& is syntactically incorrect (in Latin).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:22:56 -0500 . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> Subject: PHP Apachee/ Message-ID: <%B6ub.163$s8.2361@news.on.tac.net>   H I am testing some php solutions on openvms 7.3-1 / apache 1.3.26 and PHP 4.3.  8 Testing this email client I keep running into this error  I session_start(): open(/tmp/sess_ed721776dd7ff819bed6a1ac0c391883, O_RDWR) 8 failed: file currently locked by another user (65535) in7 /php$test/squirrelmail/functions/global.php on line 294o  F Is it because vms cannot close the files fast enough, or is there some setting I can use to fix ite   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 04:07:57 -0800. From: send_lotsa_spam_here@yahoo.com (Soterro)/ Subject: Please enter date and time then freezew= Message-ID: <1a63f162.0311170407.72488472@posting.google.com>u   Hello,  C I have since today this strange behaviour on this Digital PW 600au, 
 VMS 7.2-1.  E It is a dualboot machine which until this morning ran under Tru64 foraC a longer while. I rebooted it for VMS (in the same way I always dideF it) and it asked me for the new date and time, as always. I managed toF enter a few digits then the keyboard froze. Not even the caps lock LEDE was lighting when I pressed it. I reset the machine, at the reboot atrF the same moment it froze again. Only the keyboard freezes, because theA display asks again and again for the date with new lines, and thebE keyboard does nothing. I halted it, booted in Tru64, no problem. BackbD into VMS, again freeze. When I pressed halt, all the garbage I typedC came on the screen so it's buffered somewhere in between. So I justo= typed at the prompt continue and this time the date was takensA correctly and the boot process went fine (except for the system'stB mail.mai suddenly missing and not created when the whatever status message was sent).  E Anyone experienced this funny situation? If there's something failing % in the machine, what could that be???a  
 Thank you, Sn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:10:46 +0100-" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>3 Subject: Re: Please enter date and time then freeze(2 Message-ID: <3fb8e511$0$238$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Soterro wrote:   > Hello, > E > I have since today this strange behaviour on this Digital PW 600au,t > VMS 7.2-1. > G > It is a dualboot machine which until this morning ran under Tru64 forsE > a longer while. I rebooted it for VMS (in the same way I always did1H > it) and it asked me for the new date and time, as always. I managed toH > enter a few digits then the keyboard froze. Not even the caps lock LEDG > was lighting when I pressed it. I reset the machine, at the reboot at,H > the same moment it froze again. Only the keyboard freezes, because theC > display asks again and again for the date with new lines, and the G > keyboard does nothing. I halted it, booted in Tru64, no problem. BackiF > into VMS, again freeze. When I pressed halt, all the garbage I typedE > came on the screen so it's buffered somewhere in between. So I just.? > typed at the prompt continue and this time the date was taken C > correctly and the boot process went fine (except for the system's D > mail.mai suddenly missing and not created when the whatever status > message was sent). > G > Anyone experienced this funny situation? If there's something failings' > in the machine, what could that be???w  
 (as usual). What did change since the last correct reboot?   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:13:26 +0100d( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: Save Set ManagerV: Message-ID: <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONOEODCFAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  K we do use this tool. It is a very utility to copy SAVESETs from one tape tomM another or to disk with the security features of BACKUP (GROUP code and CRC).kP Also we do merge our dayly incremental backups, to have only one incremental forN deasaster recovery. It function well. In case of this you need only to restoreK the last full backup and the last merged incremental. I miss the feature to H merge the incrementals without loosing the deleted (purged) files, for a recovery of users mistake.   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:22:38 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Text library browser/editor( Message-ID: <3FB8AF6E.9E9DB92@istop.com>  J I am in the process of writing a text library browser so that one can veruN quickly access various modules in a library. This is an x windows application.  G I am considering allowing basic editing of a text module and subsequento replacement into the library.a  K This would be so much more efficient than cumbersome lib/extract, then editr then lib/replace commands.    K However, before I proceed with this, are there situations where such directnH replacements into a library (no temporary files) would be shunned from a# security/procedures point of view ?e  F Also, I would have no problem adding a history record to log a change.N However, is there freedom in how the history record is formatted, or are thereJ many applications that actually parse the records and expect it to be in a specific format ?1  N (I am appaled that LIBRARY logs who changes a module, but not which module has been changed).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:35:58 -05000* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: Text library browser/editor) Message-ID: <3FB8B28D.D83B0B20@istop.com>i   JF Mezei wrote:oP > (I am appaled that LIBRARY logs who changes a module, but not which module has > been changed).  K Correction., a library /list/full/history does reveal much more informatione than just /history. & I'll have to investigate this further.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:19:33 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> & Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summaryH Message-ID: <Fo0ub.18428$j1d.11314@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:a > In articleC > <nhQtb.88675$Rah1.50408@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,i& > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >  >T >>B >> Please pass the foregoing on to Mark...you seem to have a closeD >> relationship with him. I don't mean that in a snide manner...past< >> posts of yours seem to indicate that Mark responds to youB >> frequently. Last time I got a response from Mark or Rich was inE >> 2001, irrespective of the subject or tone and tenor of the remarksw >> to them.  >D@ > Did you use your real name and address, or were you anonymous?   Real name, real address.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:17:34 +0000 (UTC)-, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)) Subject: Re: VMS Defragmentation Softwarex. Message-ID: <bpahpe$52u$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  \  writes in article <00A28EF5.CD8A8A02@SendSpamHere.ORG> dated Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:40:52 GMT:^ >In article <bp34ce$bqa$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes: >>Raxco = hassle.o >>	 >>Get it?    >Do you slander ...d >Do you slander ...   K "You use that word a lot.  I do not think it means what you think it does."a$     -- Montoya, _The Princess Bride_  J >Software has nearly always (traditionally) been licensed for one's use onK >the original system configuration it was licensed for use upon.  If you or.J >the original poster changes the configuration it changes the terms of the >original license agreement.    I >There's no more hassle with Raxco software than with DEComHPaq software.u  H That's where you're wrong.  OpenVMS/Alpha layered product PAKs come in 3L sizes -- workstation, departmental, and enterprise.  As long as your upgradeK does not cause the machine to change between these categories (and none do,e? short of machine replacement), the PAK will continue to work.  e  L Did I mention that you have to get a new key from Raxco whenever you rebuildG your system disk, regardless of whether you upgraded anything or not?  r  I >Call the support numbers at either and tell them you have or will be up-oI >grading a configuration and get a new license key and, if necessary, payb! >the additional licensing fees.  c  H The upgrade was from an "Alphaserver 2100 4/250" to an "Alphaserver 2100J 5/350".  Why don't you call and find out how much I owe for the "transfer"9 of (say) the DEC C comiler license from a 2100 to itself?-  * >I suppose you're one of those that stealsJ >cable/satellite TV services too and believes that's OK too???  "Yes, yourK >honor.  I merely UPGRADED my converter box with a new bit of firmwarez.  I L >shouldn't be charged more by the cable company because the firmwarez allowsA >me access to more channels than I've originally contracted for."o  I LOL  It's funny that you mention the cable company.  I moved earlier this.I year, and I spent a bunch of time getting my new utilities in order.  Thet? local cable company (Cox) failed to show for 2 different 4-hourlK appointments.  I finally decided they, like Raxco, were too much hassle andp got DSL instead.  K Speaking of slander, your groundless insinuation that I am a cable thief isuH an example of it (more precisely libel, since you wrote it).  You reallyL should learn the meaning of the word if you're going to continue to throw it around like you do.n  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:44:07 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>) Subject: Re: VMS Defragmentation Software 8 Message-ID: <9kuhrv00rbv369j02g8ovhcf4vc05gliiu@4ax.com>  2 On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:05:51 -0500, Nathan Hartley* <nathan@removethis.ilothlorien.com> wrote:  B >Anyone have an opinion on VMS open-file defragmentation software? >eJ >I am currently looking at Raxco's Performance Suite and Executive's Disk  >Keeper. >a  F Why do you think you need disk defragmentation?  What problems are you, seeing that point to fragmentation problems?  D What kind of storage configuration do you have?  Note that RAID-typeK configurations actually "defragment" your files at the hardware end anyway.pD So, unless you're getting lots of internal fragmentation, or lots ofI extents that cause header extensions, it's not clear that defragmenting a:@ file will actually solve a performance problem without much more information.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:03:53 GMT ' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>f) Subject: VMS73_Driver v4.0 (ALP) Problem?h) Message-ID: <3FB88EF9.D21C2C6F@uiowa.edu>   H I just installed this ECO and found that my systems all now report theirC OpenVMS version to be "OpenVMS X90V-K5L" instead of "OpenVMS V7.3".N  O Has anyone else noticed this?  Or NOT have the above result after applying this:L very recent ECO?  I have logged a call to CSC, but so far they have not seen) or heard of this behavior being reported.n  F I don't see anything not working (at this time) but the systems I have3 installed on are not heavily loaded with apps, etc.a   Regards, Rick   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 10:38:19 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)e- Subject: Re: VMS73_Driver v4.0 (ALP) Problem?S+ Message-ID: <3fb8970b@news.uni-konstanz.de>n  K In article <3FB88EF9.D21C2C6F@uiowa.edu>, Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>? writes:oI >I just installed this ECO and found that my systems all now report theireD >OpenVMS version to be "OpenVMS X90V-K5L" instead of "OpenVMS V7.3". >eK >Has anyone else noticed this?  Or NOT have the above result after applyingo >thisoH >very recent ECO?  I have logged a call to CSC, but so far they have not >seen * >or heard of this behavior being reported. > G >I don't see anything not working (at this time) but the systems I have,4 >installed on are not heavily loaded with apps, etc. >k	 >Regards,t >Ricke >e  A As I remember right you can find something about this in the FAQ.a   eberhard   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 09:58:21 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)r Subject: Re: xscreensaver ! Message-ID: <zP18NTzfx7kw@sinead>x  A In article <wBNtb.10527$P%1.9334657@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, r6 "Phillip R Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net> writes:N > What is the best way for a novice like myself to get xscreensaver running on > my alpha machine?m >  > I do not have a C compiler  H Binaries of Xlockmore 5.02 are provided in the kit available at the DECWL archive. If you really want Xscreenxaver, the version 2.34 is also available (but rather old).h   Go to:  " http://decwarch.free.fr/index.html   and specifically:o  ! http://decwarch.free.fr/decw.htmlc   and   ! http://decwarch.free.fr/lock.html2  
 Best regards,i   Patrickt --O ===============================================================================lN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================,   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2003 07:58:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n5 Subject: Re: xscreenserver makevms.com compile errorse3 Message-ID: <8mnK9c9O7LEq@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  h In article <5bcc5f24.0311141314.3c423162@posting.google.com>, prsobottke@aep.com (Phil Sobottke) writes:G > I'm trying to get xscreensaver to work on my dec433au machine runningRC > vms 7.3-1 and when I try to run the compiler makevms.com, I get a   > bunch of the following errors: > H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  > An example command is: > T > $ CC/DECC/PREFIX=ALL/DEFINE=(VMS,HAVE_CONFIG_H,STANDALONE)/INCL=([],[-],[-.UTILS])
 > XLOCKMORE.Cs  3    There are two ways to get CC to generate IVVERB:a  +    1) you don't have a C compiler installed L    2) you (or the build script) used a DCL symbol to define CC as something !       you don't have, perhaps gccr   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:12:39 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r3 Subject: [OT:] G5 looking pretty fast, pretty cheapeE Message-ID: <XW2ub.30$FkK1.1@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&ncid=738&e=12&u=/ap/2003' 1116/ap_on_hi_te/homemade_supercomputer.  E Supercomputing is moving into the commercial realm as nearly half thegE machines on this year's list of the fastest computers were built fromkI clusters of cheaper, off-the-shelf processors, including the new No. 3, ai- supercomputer assembled with 1,100 Apple PCs.w      K Virginia Tech researchers and students assembled the supercomputer with newnJ Macintosh (news - web sites) G5 processors and assembled it in less than aI month. It is now the world's third-fastest machine, according to computer % experts meeting this week in Arizona.w    L Clocked at 10.3 trillion operations per second, the cluster of G5 Power MacsJ is the first Apple Computer Inc.-based system to rank among the speediest.    H It's also one of the cheapest. The homemade system, named "X" by Tech toJ celebrate its performance of more than 10 teraflops, cost about $7 millionL to build and maintain. Traditional supercomputers can run in the hundreds of millions of dollars.      
 ...more...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:35:15 -1000 , From: lukebrennan <lukebrennan@iinet.net.au>" Subject: Re: [OT] NetBSD and Linux) Message-ID: <3FB9BDA3.40506@iinet.net.au>-  8 as to Linux on the VAX, http://linux-vax.sourceforge.netD it boots on a few machines, including SIMH, but is still in infancy.     Lord Isildur wrote:tM > netbsd and openbsd both have well maintained ports to the VAX. netbsd has aeR > larger community, though there is a very large overlap and a lot of code sharingN > between the two communities. i run netbsd on everything from a microvax-2 upM > to a 4000-600... on vs3100s, a 4k/vlc, a 4k/60, a uV3100-40, a couple KA650 ) > machines.. it runs on almost all vaxen.oG > also, of course, there is CSRG BSD unix: 4.xBSD. I run 4.3-tahoe on ar > uvax-3 for retro fun.w > 	 > Isildurm >  > ( > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Bob Koehler wrote: >  > Y >>In article <3fab582b$0$261$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:m >>H >>>Where is the interest on the NetBSD project now that "we" have Linux?R >>>Sorry if the question is stupid, I did not know NetBSD until a few seconds ago. >>I >>   IIRC there is no Linux for VAX.  There are various BSD based systemsdF >>   freely available for VAX.  I don't know if NetBSD is one of them. >> >> >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.638 ************************