1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 20 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 643       Contents:' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File , Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions= Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.3-1 and DECamds V7.3-2 + Re: argentic vs digital pictures technology M Re: argentic vs digital pictures technology (was: VMS 2003   bootcampsummary) 1 Re: bug or feature: SET OUTPUT_RATE forces output % DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment ) Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment ) Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment ) Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment ) Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment 8 Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!! ) Re: Hobbyist license and layered products ) Re: Hobbyist license and layered products  HP earnings  Re: IA64 TPC results Re: IA64 TPC results Re: IA64 TPC results Re: lat for linux problem F Mezei Stealing Identites Online Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London sayP Re: Mezei Stealing Identites Online Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London say saysaF Mezei Troll Strikes Again Re: One in nine police in UK will be protectP Re: Mezei Troll Strikes Again Re: One in nine police in UK will be protect prote Re: MicroVAX/Infoserver  ODS2 file header Re: ODS2 file header Re: ODS2 file header4 Re: OT: Offshoring of IT Jobs Expected to Accelerate Re: Printer problem   Re: Question re VMS::IndexedFile9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday  TELNET/PORT  Re: TELNET/PORT  Re: TELNET/PORT  The need for scalable systems  Re: The old DEC complex  RE: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary $ Re: VMS73_Driver v4.0 (ALP) Problem?! What is port 557 openvms/ipc ???? # Re: [ASOVMS V7.3-2] What licenses ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:46:03 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File( Message-ID: <3FBBC87A.C0AA858@istop.com>   Chip Smithson wrote:D > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 2048  J Ok, you will NEED to transfer the file in text mode to the other machine. M Variable length doesn't really need any line terminating characters and has a D few bytes in front of each record indicating how long the record is.  O Can you type the file on VMS with the records being separated with a new line ? K Can you EDIT/TPU the file on VMS and see each record on its onw line and no  funny characters in it ?  M If so, and if the file transfer is indeed in text mode at both ends, then the K transfer should work, unless the receiving end has a problem with text mode G transfers. (in text mode, there is a standard platform independant line N terminator used by the sender, and when the receiver gets it, it transforms it1 into its local platform-dpendant line terminator.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:35:58 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered FileQ Message-ID: <OF8C0CEA9E.A32CE586-ON85256DE3.007660FE-85256DE3.00762CB5@metso.com>   = What you say, below, seems correct to me, but in his original  message he said: > 3 It was working fine until a few days ago, and there D have been no major OS or file system changes.Any thoughts? Have been% playing with set file/attributes=???. A Nothing has changed with regards to the FTP file though. Still no ' carriage returns. Just one long record.  < B and I cannot see how it ever worked absent the Record Attribute of Carriage Return.# Something must have (been) changed.    Perhaps he'll report back....   6 From:  briggs@encompasserve.org on 11/19/2003 12:36 PM  * Please respond to briggs@encompasserve.org       To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   3 Subject:    Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File     = In article <4f4fc7d2.0311190738.6a99b2f3@posting.google.com>, 2 csmithson@washoehealth.com (Chip Smithson) writes:. > TEST.TXT;1            File ID:  (1685,119,0)3 > Size:          790/799        Owner:    [IRKAREN] $ > Created:   18-NOV-2003 09:56:58.65( > Revised:   18-NOV-2003 10:04:45.54 (4) > Expires:   <None specified> ! > Backup:    <No backup recorded>  > Effective: <None specified>  > Recording: <None specified>   > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      OnlineG > File attributes:    Allocation: 799, Extend: 50, Global buffer count:  > 0 ; >                     No version limit, Contiguous best try G > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 2048 bytes, longest 1700  > bytes  > Record attributes:  None   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None? > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  > Access Cntrl List:  None  B I just ran a test.  An ASCII mode transfer from Multinet client to? default Solaris ftp server will behave in the way you describe. C And I'm confident that a BINARY mode transfer would behave that way  as well.  > When the VMS side source file has carriage control turned off,: no <CR><LF> pairs are inserted into the FTP data stream at VMS record boundaries.  < Compare the above $ DIR /FULL to one done on an ordinary VMSC text file.  You'll see "Record attributes: Carriage return carriage 	 control".    One easy fix is to:   " $ SET FILE TEST.TXT /ATTR=(RAT:CR)         John Briggs    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:22:57 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> 0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File/ Message-ID: <3FBBEC35.3A319FC3@eps.zko.dec.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    > Chip Smithson wrote:F > > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 2048 > K > Ok, you will NEED to transfer the file in text mode to the other machine.    Well not really no. M Admittedly it is unlikely to find a VMS variable length record file reader on  Windoze,  but it can be done as per below.  7 When I tried this just now, I ran into a little oddity:   	 ---vms---  $CREATE TMP.TMP  aap  noot mies teun $SET FILE/ATTR=RAT=NON
 $TYPE TMP.TMP  aapnootmiesteun 
 $DUMP TMP.TMP <  696D0004 746F6F6E 00040070 61610003 ..aap...noot..mi 000000
 ---windows---  > ftp myvmsbox binary get tmp.tmp 9 ftp: 15 bytes received in 0.00Seconds 15000.00Kbytes/sec.  bye  type tmp.tmp aapnootmiesteun   3 huh? That's just the data? Why not my control char?    ----vms----  $set file/attr=rfm=udf  
 ---windoze---  > ftp myvmsbox binary get tmp.tmp 9 ftp: 24 bytes received in 0.00Seconds 24000.00Kbytes/sec.  bye 
 >type tmp.tmp  ? aap ? noot? mies? teun  4 Good! We got the control bytes.... now read the file   >perl vms-variable.p < tmp.tmp aap  noot mies teun   ------------------- O So the ftp client only listened to 'binary' mode when the file had an undefined  format, D not when it was variable! (RFM=FIX probably would also have worked).  A I used the following PERL script to read the VMS file on windoze:    binmode STDIN;# while (read STDIN,$length_word,2) { .    # avoid using "S" or "V". just do the math.0    ($length,$null) = unpack ("CC",$length_word);    $length += $null*256;    last if ($length > 32767); $    $read = read STDIN,$line,$length;    print "$line\n"; '    read STDIN,$null,1 if ($length & 1);     }    R That might come in handy some day if your files end up on wrong side of the fence!R Btw... I find TEXTPAD in BINARY mode handy on Windoze to analyze this kinda stuff.S See www.textpad.com. It's a much better wordpad. Not EDT, but I can make do with it  :-).   hth, Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:45:46 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File) Message-ID: <3FBBF28E.9AE242E0@istop.com>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: D > and I cannot see how it ever worked absent the Record Attribute of > Carriage Return.  H I am curious. On VMS, can't you edit a file without RAT=CR and still see records as they should be ?   L If so, shouldn't the FTP software on VMS still provide the remote FTP clientN with records separated by the FT_defined record (line) terminator when in text mode ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:31:27 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File' Message-ID: <3FBC277F.B0A5C022@fsi.net>    Chip Smithson wrote: > ] > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FBAC1F5.9FAD842E@istop.com>...  > > Chip Smithson wrote:G > > > Nothing has changed with regards to the FTP file though. Still no - > > > carriage returns. Just one long record.  > > + > > a DIR/FULL on the file would be needed.  > > C > > Also, does FTP transfer the file in text or image/binary mode ?  >  > JF, E > here is the DIR/FULL and we have tried transfering the file in both . > Text and IMage/Binary with similiar results.	 > Thanks,  > Chip& >                     No version limitD > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 2048 > bytes  > Record attributes:  None > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None? > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  > Access Cntrl List:  None > . > TEST.TXT;1            File ID:  (1685,119,0)3 > Size:          790/799        Owner:    [IRKAREN] $ > Created:   18-NOV-2003 09:56:58.65( > Revised:   18-NOV-2003 10:04:45.54 (4) > Expires:   <None specified> ! > Backup:    <No backup recorded>  > Effective: <None specified>  > Recording: <None specified>   > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      OnlineG > File attributes:    Allocation: 799, Extend: 50, Global buffer count:  > 0 ; >                     No version limit, Contiguous best try G > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 2048 bytes, longest 1700  > bytes  > Record attributes:  None > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None? > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  > Access Cntrl List:  None    AH! O.k, now we know what to do.  A To help ensure you'll get what you expect regarless of the target 	 platform:   = 1. Convert the file to Stream format. Simple hack avoids FDL:    $ COPY NLA0: target_file# $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STM target_file  $ APPEND TEST.TXT target_file # $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=UDF target_file   ! 2. FTP the target_file as BINARY.    See if that does it for you...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2003 20:18:28 -08000 From: csmithson@washoehealth.com (Chip Smithson)0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File= Message-ID: <4f4fc7d2.0311192018.403d0c80@posting.google.com>   D Thank you all for all of your input. Doesn't look like anyone reallyF knows what may have happened. I am noticing that it is only with filesF where the max record length is at or near 2048. We had to make it thatD length, because the actual record can be as long as 8,000, but couldE not get mumps system or vms to write any longer than 2048. So we have C to write out 4 lines for every actual record. Why might that be? Is A there some sort of buffer issue? It has been so long since I have ( administered VMS system, I can't recall.F This should probably be a whole other post but thought maybe the issue is realated.+ Thanks Again though...Very frustrating.....    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:12:09 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: alpha box and licence too? - Suggestions 1 Message-ID: <JxUub.14362$Et5.5750@news.chello.at>   m In article <ba2lrvg2vmbhusmcbquqahs9i98drseddr@4ax.com>, David Jennings <david.jennings3@comcast.net> writes: E >I've got a Personal Workstation 433a that I converted to run VMS the E >day that Microsoft/DEC killed NT on Alpha.  Never bothered getting a F >graphics card that VMS supported so I run it headless.  Recently, theE >RZ23 system disk died, but I was able to get a 18 GB Seagate Cheetah B >from some used computer outlet for $20!   Now it runs better than >ever.  D I had a PWS433au which was initially bought with Digital UNIX and NTE on each of 2 RZ1BB-BA and a 4D50T. It was fast. After dUNIX died very I fast in my previous company I converted it to my OpenVMS hobbyist machine # and replaced the 4D50T with a 3D30.   I A few years later I added 512MB and 2x MAXTOR 160GB 5400rpm IDE Disk with K 2x ACARD SCSI-IDE Bridge (since then my INTEL SIO IDE CD-ROM does no longer H work - it used to work not for booting but a SYSMAN IO CONNECT DQA0/qual@ let me use the drive in VMS for the last years without problems)  D A couple of months ago, one of the IDE disks died and got a warrantyI replace (to a 160GB 7200rpm disk with a few blocks less). So, the VOLSHAD G which used to work only a couple of hours after I bought the 160GB disk J had now another reason for not working cause of the few blocks difference.  I With OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 I'm now shadowing again ! I had to BACKUP/IMAGE K the 5400 disk to the smaller 7200 disk and then mount them into a shadowset H (with /OVERRIDE=NO_FORCED_ERROR) and can only second the above statement   	Now it runs better than ever.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:46:28 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>F Subject: Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.3-1 and DECamds V7.3-22 Message-ID: <oMPub.9351$xQ6.5402@news.cpqcorp.net>  L     This is on the drawing board.  There have been some bumps in the road in	 getting a J design worked out.  The team has had alot of feedback (good) about variousJ proposals, and have worked out a plan that seems to work with most people.J     The port to Itanium will take up much of the time early next year, and AM V2.4  this year...  Stay tuned. F     This is by far the most needed feature, and much effort already in design proposals, D work estimates, etc. has gone into this, so it is not being ignored.   Barry Kierstein  AM team    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:00:29 -0500 1 From: "Atlant G. Schmidt" <atlant@mindspring.com> 4 Subject: Re: argentic vs digital pictures technology0 Message-ID: <eMidnRMxufVTICaiRVn-uA@comcast.com>  6 Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40 wrote:  , > In article <3FBAEC48.DDED6D62@istop.com>, . > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >  >>"David J. Dachtera" wrote: >> >>K >>>In English, Single Lens Reflex - uses prisms to provide through-the-lens - >>>view-finding prior to opening the shutter.  >>I >>Actually, it is mirrors. Prior to the shutter opening, the mirror lifts / >>allowing light to go straight to the shutter.  >  > N > To be exact, you have a moving mirror in front of the curtain shutter and a M > pentaprism (or a pentamirror in low cost gear). When you take the shot, the P > moving mirror rotates up and the shutter opens. During the move of the mirror,P > there is a blackout in the viewfinder. it's the same mechanism in Digital SLR,. > which are generally built around a film SLR. > P > Some Digital camera have an EVF (Electronic ViewFinder). There is no more needM > for a mirror or a pentaprism, but you still viex through the lens. You see  M > what the CCD sees. However, the CDD may be able to deliver live preview. I  . > own such a beast (a Fuji 6900, a nice gear).  9 The Nikon CoolPix 5700 is also such a camera. It contains 7 an electronic viewfinder as well as a separate, larger,  tilt-and-swivel LCD view panel.    Atlant# (Who's still using his CoolPix 950)    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2003 04:55:47 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> V Subject: Re: argentic vs digital pictures technology (was: VMS 2003   bootcampsummary)+ Message-ID: <Xns943924D24695hbchp@10.0.0.3>   ; Peter Weaver <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:    > Didier Morandi wrote:  >>... 8 >> Yeah, but you do not address the print quality issue. >>H >> An "analogue" color picture on picture paper and a print of a numeric@ >> picture on the same paper (adapted to the printer) is awfully
 >> different.   Hmmm... itr depends (see below).  > > I like using the digital camera, my wife wants prints. So we= > just had 79 prints done at a cost of 27 Canadian cents each , > ... These are real pictures on Kodak paper= > and they look great. I don't know the details but from what = > the people in the store tell me the image is projected onto ; > the paper and developed just like a print from a negative  > would be.   J That's not surprising. The cheap standard prints you get today from your  L negative film are no longer printed from the film - the film is scanned and J the scans are printed on paper. So there's not much - if any - difference H to "analog" material if we're talking about 4" x 6" prints and a 3 or 5  megapixel digital cameras.  I Things are different of course if you want poster-size prints or pay for  2 (manually made) prints directly from the negative.   Hans.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:46:43 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply): Subject: Re: bug or feature: SET OUTPUT_RATE forces output$ Message-ID: <bpgkrj$6g5$2@online.de>  1 In article <YxLub.9318$Ak6.248@news.cpqcorp.net>, H lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes:  : > I can't say if it's "officially" a bug or a feature, but8 > I kind of like it the way it is.  There are times in a9 > log file when it is very useful to be able to force the  > output to update.   I If it were implemented like I expected, one could set the output rate to   0 to force an update.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:04:33 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> . Subject: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment3 Message-ID: <3FBBBEC1.AE19D599@applied-synergy.com>   F There has been some recent discussion of having the capability to saveA and restore the entire DCL/Terminal/etc. environment in one shot.   H A mechanism that I have seen elsewhere is a CLI PUSH/POP capability thatA does this.  PUSH saves the current environment, POP restores it.  1 Obviously, the environments are saved as a stack.   = The environment that is saved should include at least the DCL @ environment, RMS environment, terminal characteristics (if any),@ symbols, and PPF logicals (possibly all supervisor process table logicals?).   E The advantage of PUSH/POP over SAVE/RESTORE is that with PUSH/POP you A have the option of adding a mechanism to get information from the H previous environment.  For example, F$ENVIRONMENT could have an optionalG second argument that specifies how many levels up the environment stack G to look for the information.  That is, F$ENVIRONMENT("DEFAULT",1) would 4 return the default directory for the previous level.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:52:53 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>2 Subject: Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment( Message-ID: <3FBBCA14.8528758@istop.com>   Chris Scheers wrote:J > A mechanism that I have seen elsewhere is a CLI PUSH/POP capability thatB > does this.  PUSH saves the current environment, POP restores it.3 > Obviously, the environments are saved as a stack.     G SPAWN/LOGOUT does this already. Perhaps less efficient, but it does it.   K I'd rather have the engineers work on improving MAIL's handling of internet H emails/attachement than to make a more efficient version of SPAWN/LOGOUT   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:49:28 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment$ Message-ID: <bpgl0n$6g5$3@online.de>  1 In article <3FBBCA14.8528758@istop.com>, JF Mezei $ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:    > Chris Scheers wrote:L > > A mechanism that I have seen elsewhere is a CLI PUSH/POP capability thatD > > does this.  PUSH saves the current environment, POP restores it.5 > > Obviously, the environments are saved as a stack.  > I > SPAWN/LOGOUT does this already. Perhaps less efficient, but it does it.    What is SPAWN/LOGOUT?   & There is SPAWN/LOGICAL_NAMES (default)  M > I'd rather have the engineers work on improving MAIL's handling of internet J > emails/attachement than to make a more efficient version of SPAWN/LOGOUT  B Agreed.  However, didn't you say that this trick DOESN'T work for  terminal characteristics?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:58:43 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>2 Subject: Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment) Message-ID: <3FBBE789.8AF70262@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > What is SPAWN/LOGOUT?   F It is an undocumented command which was sprinkled into various DigitalL supplied command procedures. While it did nothing productive, it did consumeI vast amounts of CPU and memory for process creation foloowed by immediate N process deletion, resulting in customers being forced to buy larger VAXen withK more memory. Another such command which resulted in a lot of CPU and memory - upgrades was the little known ALLIN1 command.   C > Agreed.  However, didn't you say that this trick DOESN'T work for  > terminal characteristics?    Correct.  K Perhaps the SPAWN command should be modified so that it takes a snapshot of I the terminal charateristics and restores them when the spawned subprocess < terminates. (obviously, impossible to do with SPAWN/NOWAIT )   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:16:39 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 2 Subject: Re: DCL Enhancement: PUSH/POP Environment3 Message-ID: <3FBBF9D7.A3EFE14D@applied-synergy.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Chris Scheers wrote:L > > A mechanism that I have seen elsewhere is a CLI PUSH/POP capability thatD > > does this.  PUSH saves the current environment, POP restores it.5 > > Obviously, the environments are saved as a stack.  > I > SPAWN/LOGOUT does this already. Perhaps less efficient, but it does it.  > M > I'd rather have the engineers work on improving MAIL's handling of internet J > emails/attachement than to make a more efficient version of SPAWN/LOGOUT    G Not quite.  For example, SPAWN/LOGOUT does not preserve and restore the  terminal settings.  A Also, SPAWN/LOGOUT does not really give you a way to refer to the  previous environment.   : Also, open files can not be passed through a SPAWN/LOGOUT.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:21:59 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> A Subject: Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE ' Message-ID: <3FBC2547.914FAA1E@fsi.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > [snip]E > But you are NOT reopening the file! You are superceding the logical D > from the first open, but that is just a coincedence, it could well > be any logical.   E Remember to make the distinction between opening a file and OPENing a " channel to a (file, device, etc.).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:38:29 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!) Message-ID: <3FBBC6B4.120738E6@istop.com>    jlsue wrote:G > I know of absolutely no - that's ZERO - customers who's business will I > suffer due to the switch from EV79's planned architecture, and the EV7z  > architecture.   K Because of Alpha's last iterations are slower than had been anticipated and N because the EV79 turns out to be a dud that is essentially the same as an EV7,I customers will abandon Alpha sooner rather than later. Problem is that in - doing so, they also are likely to abandon HP.   K One has to consider long term trends and long term strategic decisions. You Q don't see sales impact the day after Carly makes an announcement for such things.     G > Hogwash.  HP is still delivering on the commitments for CPU upgrades.   L Technically, the lawyers probably will agree with you. But in spirit, HP hasL NOT delivered on promises. It has not made EV7 as fast as it could have been) and will not produce the shrink for EV79.   * What this does is affect HP's credibility.  J And considering that IA64 is still just a promise of something nice in theN future, credibility is important. That is a good reason why many don't believeH IA64 will pan out, simply because we don't believe anything HP says with regards to VMS.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:15:58 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org2 Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products) Message-ID: <03111922155798@antinode.org>   " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>  J > >    If you know how a hobbyist can access the download function without5 > > paying a non-hobbyist fee, I could use a pointer.  > , > http://www1.aclabs.com/splregistration.htm      Where it says:   E       If you would like to be added to one or more Operating System's E       quarterly SPL e-mailings that informs you of advanced notice of D       new releases, allowing Software Products Library customers theB       capability of earlier downloads of software binaries, please$       complete and submit this form:  E    So, now, as soon as I become a Software Products Library customer, 9 I'll be all set?  I still believe .../DownLoadInfo.shtml:   F       Only SPL and Consolidated Distribution and Documentation ServiceE       customers via the quarterly SPL Cover Letter, will be given the @       necessary information to download software binaries.  TheyC       include, User Name, Password (a new one every quarter), and a        Domain Name.  , But I'm always open to unexpected good news.  7    Or should I be looking for a job in the right place?   D       Note: HP employees can have special access, if registration isH       done via the internal SPL web site.  Send e-mail, if required for&       the internal SPL web site's URL.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:14:42 -0700 6 From: "Phillip D. Williams" <dwilliams296@comcast.net>2 Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products0 Message-ID: <RbadnTwFxqvK0yGiRVn-gw@comcast.com>  K You can ftp 5.5 BASIC/COBOL/FORTRAN/VAXC and others from my site. Right now  its straight ftp from C 68.35.167.136 username VAXVMS password VAXVMS. The system is a 7.3.  Hope this helps  Phillip./ "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message . news:3fba961a$0$13284$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > Robert DiRosario wrote: I > > Will you include old versions of VMS in the repository?  I would love J > > to get a "vintage" version of VMS for my vintage hardware.  (A versionJ > > of 5.x that will fit on an RD54 with C and FORTRAN and run on a VS2000% > > or uVax II or VAXStation II/GPX.)  > J > Course I will. The idea is to make available all software running on all: > kind of VMS powered boxes, such like this site for Mac : > @ > http://www.grenier-du-mac.net/index.htm  (the Macintosh attic) >  > Sorry it is in French. >  > D. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:12:52 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: HP earningsI Message-ID: <UNSub.5318$J%S1.963@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=808&ncid=738&e=11&u=/dowjone) s/20031119/bs_dowjones/200311191716001431   8 H-P's Fiscal 4Q Net Surged as All Divisions Post Profits  F PALO ALTO, Calif. -- Hewlett-Packard Corp.'s fiscal fourth-quarter netK income more than doubled, as restructuring and acquisition charges dropped, G revenue rose 10% and the enterprise (news - web sites)-systems business  returned to profitability.  L For the quarter ended Oct. 31, the printer and computer giant late WednesdayL reported net income of $862 million, or 28 cents a share, compared with $390- million, or 13 cents a share, a year earlier.   J Results for the latest quarter included $362 million in restructuring- andJ acquisition-related charges, while the year-ago period had $456 million inJ such expenses. Excluding these and other items considered normal operatingH costs under generally accepted accounting principles, H-P said it earnedL $1.1 billion, or 36 cents a share, compared with $721 million, or 24 cents a share, a year earlier.  8 Revenue increased to $19.85 billion from $18.05 billion.  E When H-P released fiscal third-quarter results in August, the company K projected fourth-quarter earnings excluding charges of 34 cents to 36 cents 5 a share on revenue of $18.8 billion to $19.1 billion.   H All of H-P's four main businesses turned a profit in the fourth quarter.  K The enterprise systems division -- which makes servers, storage devices and L related software used by large corporations and agencies -- had an operatingJ profit of $106 million, compared with a year-earlier loss of $129 million.C Revenue rose 2% to $4.07 billion. U.S. server shipments jumped 28%.   K The segment has been plagued by competition from Dell Inc. (NasdaqNM:DELL - I News) and International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE:IBM - News) , along 5 with slow technology spending by corporate customers.   J Revenue at the personals-systems business increased 21% to $6 billion on aG 35% surge in unit shipments. Laptop shipments soared 53%, while desktop  growth was 23%.   H The imaging and printing segment had record revenue of $6.25 billion, up: 11%. The business was led by a 14% jump in supplies sales.  J H-P's services segment had a 5.4% increase in revenue to $3.23 billion, as# earnings rose 8.6% to $393 million.   J For all of fiscal 2003, H-P had net income of $2.54 billion, or 83 cents aK share, compared with a year-earlier net loss of $928 million, or 31 cents a L share, the previous fiscal year. Revenue increased 1% to $73.06 billion from $ 72.35 billion.  K Results for fiscal included $4.06 billion in acquisition and restructuring- I related costs and six months of Compaq Computer Corp. (NYSE:HPQ - News)'s L results before the company was acquired by H-P. Compaq results from April 1,C 2002, to May 3, 2002, aren't included in H-P's fiscal 2002 numbers.   J Also excluding $1.64 billion in fiscal 2003 acquisition and restructuring-I related expenses, H-P said it would have earned $3.56 billion, or $1.16 a H share, compared with $2.41 billion, or 79 cents a share, in fiscal 2002.  G Going forward, H-P projects fiscal first-quarter earnings of 35 cents a I share on revenue of $19.1 billion to $19.5 billion. The mean estimates of L analysts surveyed by Thomson First Call are for earnings of 35 cents a share on revenue of $19 billion.  H H-P also affirmed Wall Street's fiscal 2004 earnings estimate of $1.42 aL share. The forecasts exclude four cents a share of acquisition-related costs in each quarter.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:04:22 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: IA64 TPC results ' Message-ID: <3FBC2126.8049AD2A@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > J > > JL is indeed an HP employee, AFAIK. Unfortunately, he suffers the sameE > > "PollyAnna" syndrome we see from HP'ers all to frequently here intA > > c.o.v.: Rosy outlook with no foundation in tangible evidence.  > >CF > > I wish one - JUST *ONE* - HP'er would have the balls + backbone toJ > > explain the bullshit (why one thing is said and another done), instead& > > of just spouting more of the same. >  > David, >  > Possible reasons are that :a >  > a) They simply don't know. > b) It's NDA material.i > c) 'Not my department'.eN > d) There is no logical reason behind the 'bullshit' and they'd be embarassed > trying to explain it.T( > e) It would be a career limiting move. > K > Same reasons why there is no response from any HP employee in c.o.v. whenPH > the question is asked - "Why isn't there VMS advertising and marketingI > beyond booths at tradeshows devoted to VMS?" or "Are there still reallyr/ > 411,000 VMS systems out there in active use?"e    Like I said: "balls + backbone".   -- e David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:10:10 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>g Subject: Re: IA64 TPC resultsy' Message-ID: <3FBC2282.D9D1B393@fsi.net>n   jlsue wrote: > 9 > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:42:37 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > >jlsue wrote:r >  > >>N > >> Being nimble and flexible is how you survive in this world.  Sometimes it6 > >> means making decisions that are not very popular. > >sH > >...and to date, we have yet to see a lucid explanation of how "makingE > >decisions that are not very popular" with one's customer base does E > >anything to promote new business, repeat business or even on-goinguD > >business. Is that not the definition of how best to destroy one'sJ > >customer base? Is that not exactly what the evidence says is happening? > M > In this case of EV79 vs EV7z, I would have to answer "NO", from my point ofrG > view.  What business manager really cares which of these CPUs gets torF > market as long as the server does what they bought it to do, and the > support continues as planned?c  G The same ones who care about support being continued. When promises are-E repeatedly made, and then repeatedly broken, can such a manager trusteF that support will indeed be continued? ...or will it be withdrawn whenG some myopic suit decides to make "decisions that are not very popular"?d  K > >Jeff, I'm sorry - I fully understand your enthusiasm, even if I can onlyEH > >imagine (but not comprehend) from whence it springs. The fact remainsG > >that such a position, without evidence to back up claims, is totallye > >indefensible. > M > So what you're saying is that the CEO and BOD of your organization actually ( > care whether it's an EV79 or and EV7z?  B I'm saying, in the broader context, that CEOs and BODs will not do? business with companies that have proven untrustworthy. Period.s   -- i David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/x   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:41:09 GMTy# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t Subject: Re: IA64 TPC resultssJ Message-ID: <pJWub.6037$J%S1.4254@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >> >> David J. Dachtera wrote:R >>E >>> JL is indeed an HP employee, AFAIK. Unfortunately, he suffers the8G >>> same "PollyAnna" syndrome we see from HP'ers all to frequently hereeD >>> in c.o.v.: Rosy outlook with no foundation in tangible evidence. >>>gF >>> I wish one - JUST *ONE* - HP'er would have the balls + backbone toB >>> explain the bullshit (why one thing is said and another done),. >>> instead of just spouting more of the same. >>	 >> David,g >> >> Possible reasons are that : >> >> a) They simply don't know.t >> b) It's NDA material. >> c) 'Not my department'.D >> d) There is no logical reason behind the 'bullshit' and they'd be# >> embarassed trying to explain it.@) >> e) It would be a career limiting move.  >>G >> Same reasons why there is no response from any HP employee in c.o.v.mD >> when the question is asked - "Why isn't there VMS advertising andG >> marketing beyond booths at tradeshows devoted to VMS?" or "Are therea= >> still really 411,000 VMS systems out there in active use?"  >e" > Like I said: "balls + backbone".    J Most likely it's e). I'm sure that there are some who 'know' but e) weighsI heavily on their minds. When you live in Nashua and your family has rootskK there, where would you pick-up and move to after the witch hunt for leakerso is through with you?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:08:59 +0100:( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: lat for linux problem: Message-ID: <bpgiq2$1na8g6$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   John,a  L not sure whether it is the cause for your problem but is aa-00-04-00-0a-03 a valid DECnet address?^F IIRC one takes tha last two bytes and reverse them. The leading 6 bits3 designate area, the trailing 10 designate the node.W' 0a-03 -> 03-0A -> 0000 00 11 0000 10 10u3                                --------- ==========c& That's 0.778 which is invalid, right ?  H BTW I use LAT for linux (RedHat 9) without any problems, like Roland the  server is started with defaults.   Hans  = "John Forkosh" <john@SeeSigForAddress.com> schreef in berichto& news:bpg37f$md8$1@reader2.panix.com...J > Not sure if this is the right group, but anybody here use Lat for Linux,8 >           http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/lat.html? > I have a small 10base2 lan with some Linux PC's, some genuinefB > VMS VAXstations, and a DECserver 90L+.  The wires are okay sinceB > I can ping/telnet/ftp between the VS's and PC's, and can connect > to the VS's from the 90L+. >eE > I also found out about the MAC address problem with the 90L+, i.e.,aB > it barfs on packets from non-Digital addresses, and have applied > the linux fix / >           ifconfig hw ether AA:00:04:00:0A:03a@ > so the PC looks like a Digital address.  And I'm also applying" > the extra lat-for-linux commands >           latcp -j& >           latcp -x 100 -s -a psistarD > (where psistar is the name of the PC), though I'm not sure whether > either is helpful in any way.  >oD > And all this kind of works -- I can sometimes  c psistar  from the> > 90L+ and log on to the PC.  Works fine when it works at all. >T< > Problem is it always takes a _long_ time (90L+ prints lotsA > of ...'s before I ever get a prompt) before connecting, and the-; > 90L+ frequently just gives up with "service unavailable".vA > But if I do manage to connect and then later logout/exit, I canm8 > always establish a new PC connection almost instantly.+ > The VS's always connect almost instantly.f > = > What might be wrong, and what can I do to fix it or tune ity > or whatever?  Thanks,d > -- .@ > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:20:01 +0100 (CET)p% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>-O Subject: Mezei Stealing Identites Online Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London saya8 Message-ID: <cdd160b763581f7ca6c8ad40f1e755c8@dizum.com>  > Adding identity theft to your long trolling resume, Mr. Mezei?  , Message-ID: <3FBC167B.E7B6B78F@sympatico.ca>/ From: John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca> * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: enu MIME-Version: 1.0_ Newsgroups: rec.travel.airI Subject: Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threat  to life   on planet' . References: <3FB9906A.CD8A51E9@hotmail.nospam>/ <4Nqub.1314$1Q2.463@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com> , <38fkrvsej3g6osv0soqvft0rhb8jr37dbg@4ax.com># <bpec2f$58p$1@titan.btinternet.com>i, <96dmrvk3d56aqhnhdeujagkiepunii2hnm@4ax.com>& <Xns94386BFE4B135olive@216.196.97.132>, <qcqnrvk2hps3kgorndi9jbtc98snth0b77@4ax.com>2 <gofig-8127AF.15073419112003@news-60.giganews.com>, <ih3orvsjr3239i9g3jum5b513encu8tp3b@4ax.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 12 % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:19:13 -0500n NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.carH X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069291037 64.230.46.34 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003
 20:17:17 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:17:17 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico  H > >In the history books already is that only 100 odd protesters could be1 > >found at his arrival to the palace last night.-  I The USA history books will show that. But the history books from the restd ofG the world will show the extreme measures law enforcement had to take tos keepJ the protesters away, allowing just a few close enough to make it look like "freedom of speech".  A Remember that 100% of this visit has been staged. Plenty of photo.E opportunities, american flags flying over london etc. Plenty of video  materialH for his re-selection campaign. I am appalled that the monarchy would get! involved in an election campaign.b                     ----------  $ Some of JF Mezei's trolling aliases:  $ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>g Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>e" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>p' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>o( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>0' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>e% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>: Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>a# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>e  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>l$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>w% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>e& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>E% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>T& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>:( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>R' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>e% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>@$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>l( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>h" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>o& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>t) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>s" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>h* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>e* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>n Q <queue@continuum.net>e Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>J etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:33:46 -05004% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>dY Subject: Re: Mezei Stealing Identites Online Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London say saysaM( Message-ID: <3FBC280A.1060803@dizum.com>  H Oops I'm sorry, I finally realize that nobody actually gives a rats ass I about my personal needle dick vendetta on Mezei. Besides I think my Moms eG home ( I'm still living in her basement) and I have to go put ointment TI on her corns again.  I sincerely thought that everyone would think I was aH really clever with all of my great sleuthing skills and all, t least on F line. Kids at school don't really talk to me, and all of the girls go I really quiet and cross to the other side of the hallway when they see me  F coming. I think I'll eat some more junk food because it makes me feel G better, though it tends to make the keyboard sticky when I'm trying to M search for monkey porn.oD Ooops, theres Mom, GTG. I'll dazzle you some more with my sleuthing  tomorrow night.eD I'll skip my weekly bath to dig up some more stuff on that slimebag < Mezei. I know you all secretly envy me 1337 h@><0R abilities       Nomen Nescio wrote:t  @ > Adding identity theft to your long trolling resume, Mr. Mezei? > . > Message-ID: <3FBC167B.E7B6B78F@sympatico.ca>1 > From: John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>7, > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: enE > MIME-Version: 1.0  > Newsgroups: rec.travel.airK > Subject: Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threatn
 > to life 
 >  on planet' 0 > References: <3FB9906A.CD8A51E9@hotmail.nospam>1 > <4Nqub.1314$1Q2.463@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>t. > <38fkrvsej3g6osv0soqvft0rhb8jr37dbg@4ax.com>% > <bpec2f$58p$1@titan.btinternet.com>y. > <96dmrvk3d56aqhnhdeujagkiepunii2hnm@4ax.com>( > <Xns94386BFE4B135olive@216.196.97.132>. > <qcqnrvk2hps3kgorndi9jbtc98snth0b77@4ax.com>4 > <gofig-8127AF.15073419112003@news-60.giganews.com>. > <ih3orvsjr3239i9g3jum5b513encu8tp3b@4ax.com>, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitv$ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 12s' > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:19:13 -0500o! > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34t% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca J > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069291037 64.230.46.34 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003 > 20:17:17 EST)d2 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:17:17 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico >  > H >>>In the history books already is that only 100 odd protesters could be1 >>>found at his arrival to the palace last night.. >  > K > The USA history books will show that. But the history books from the resto > ofI > the world will show the extreme measures law enforcement had to take tos > keepL > the protesters away, allowing just a few close enough to make it look like > "freedom of speech". > C > Remember that 100% of this visit has been staged. Plenty of photoSG > opportunities, american flags flying over london etc. Plenty of videod
 > materialJ > for his re-selection campaign. I am appalled that the monarchy would get# > involved in an election campaign.g >  >                   ---------- > & > Some of JF Mezei's trolling aliases: > & > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>t$ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>L) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>l$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>.) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> * > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>l) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>i' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>n# > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>e% > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>i" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>g! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>3& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>r# > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>t" > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>r' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>d& > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>l( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>u' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>.( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>l) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>s* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>i' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>a& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>g* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> $ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>O( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>D+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>u) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>n$ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>e, > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>n, > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>- > Q <queue@continuum.net>o > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>  > etc. >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:50:02 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>eO Subject: Mezei Troll Strikes Again Re: One in nine police in UK will be protectI8 Message-ID: <01bfe385d6fa93e3c3cd7d6a36ed95fb@dizum.com>  = Mr. Mezei, why don't you ever troll like this in comp.os.vms?   , Message-ID: <3FBB1721.58914826@sympatico.ca>0 From: Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: enr MIME-Version: 1.0y Newsgroups: rec.travel.airD Subject: Re: One in nine police in UK will be protecting George Bush. References: <3FBA9AC4.7E57C201@hotmail.nospam>9 <502-3FBADFCB-138@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net>i* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 73n% Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:10:02 -0500l NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34,# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.caeH X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069225650 64.230.46.34 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003
 02:07:30 EST)-0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:07:30 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   Stan-Fan wrote: E > every lead and suspect. Their preparations for a routine visit to a H > site, or city away from the White House are elaborate, and triple when > it is a state visit.  F The problems is that because of Bush Jr's foreign policy decisions, no visitDK outside the USA can be considered "routine".  Bush Jr may not want to admithH it, but the secret service knows how much NORMAL people hate him. And if youtJ have a crowds of 10,000 people peacefully protesting, it is much much muchC harder to isolate the one person who has intentions of shooting thee infamous person down.  E Why doesn't Bush Junior travel to Iraq to  visit the land he acquirediE illegally and greet his new citizens he is keeping under army controlP insteadTA of giving them promised freedoms and self determination etc etc ?2    K I heard the idiot speak on USA television 2 days ago. He wasn't refering toO MrK Bliar or "The prime minister", he was talking about "Bob".  Good buddies orbK not, the head of state of one nation does not refer to the head of state of C another nation by his first name during press conferences or public G interviews. By trying to flaunt that he has one friend left outside the  USA,@ Bush Jr also proved how inept he was at international relations.  H Bush Jr should go hide in his ranch and stay quiet and not disturb otherH countries. And I can't understand why Bliar accepted his visit. Remember thatE Bush Jr is *only* concerned about his election camapaign from now on.i WhileoJ Bliar can help Bush Jr by trying to show Bush Jr as having one ally in theI world, there is nothing that Bush Jr can do to help Bliar. As a matter ofuF fact, this visit will probably hurt Bliar by reminding poms that their prime-J minister lied to them  to justify his illegal invasion and participated in; that war against public opinion and against United Nations.     K Remember that the Bush asshole invited himself to Buckhingham Palace and isgF staying in the UK for 4 days. This is not your "routine" visit when he rarely) stays more than one night in one country.o    3 > They automatically enlist the assistance of localhJ > law enforcement, and every Federal law enforcement agency, the FBI, DEA,D > Customs, INS, Border Patrol, Army G-2, Navy NIS, CIA and the State= > Department's overseas intelligence division, plus Interpol.s  C Interpol is not law enforcement agency. It is merely an informatione exchangeK agency, and I am not sure that the secret service has a direct interface toE7 them. I suspect the official representative is the FBI.   H Secondly, while the secret service has legal standing in the USA and can order H local police to obey the secret service's every whim, they have 0, zero, nil,I zilch legal standing outside the USA and have no god given right to carry-  firearms and even less use them.  G Should the secret service use a firearm ONCE during this visit, it willcG probably force the Bliar government to resign and call for an immediate19 election. The public outrage would otherwise be too much.c    K How come every other head of state, during a state visit, is treated by thelE host and secured by the host, but US presidents are the only ones whor refuseJ this and insist on bringing their own army of people and equipment ?  Bush JrK was invited by the Queen to Buckhimgham Palace. This traditionally involves I being taken from the plane to the palace by horse drawn carriage. Bush JrcG refused (or probably the secret service) and he was instead flown in byt helicopter to avoid crowds.   H What the fuck is Bush doing in another country if he is so hated that he will9 have to avoid being seen by anyone except 2 or 3 people ?n  J What the fuck is a supposed friend doing to another friend by imposing notH only his presence, but his army of people and rules onto another country andrI costing that country millions of dollars to protect its own citizens froma Bush'Jr secret service ?                       ----------  ) Message-ID: <3FBBF28E.9AE242E0@istop.com>:* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms10 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File References: E <OF8C0CEA9E.A32CE586-ON85256DE3.007660FE-85256DE3.00762CB5@metso.com>e* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 10e% Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:45:46 -0500a NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34a# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.catH X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069281819 64.230.46.34 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003
 17:43:39 EST)m0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:43:39 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:mD > and I cannot see how it ever worked absent the Record Attribute of > Carriage Return.  H I am curious. On VMS, can't you edit a file without RAT=CR and still see records as they should be ?   E If so, shouldn't the FTP software on VMS still provide the remote FTPh clientI with records separated by the FT_defined record (line) terminator when ine text mode ?                     ---------d  % Some colorful Mezei trolling aliases:   $ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>n Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>g" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>r' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>l" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>,' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>.( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>p' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>j! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>t# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>y Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>a! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>h  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>t% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>a% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>a& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>o( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>e' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>n% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>n( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>r" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>r& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>-) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>5" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>0* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>a* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>a Q <queue@continuum.net>i Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca> etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:08:05 -0500sc From: "love_to_fake_emails@because_im_an_asshat.com" <love_to_fake_emails@because_im_an_asshat.com> Y Subject: Re: Mezei Troll Strikes Again Re: One in nine police in UK will be protect prote"7 Message-ID: <3FBC2205.6040202@because_im_an_asshat.com>i   Mr Nomind Nutsco.iH The only troll evident around here is you. You're also a coward. I pity E you, and all of those unfortunate enough to have to deal with you in bG everyday life. You are a sad, shallow, little man. Perhaps you'll have iF better look in your next life, because this one obviously sucks major  ass for you.   Nomen Nescio wrote:F? > Mr. Mezei, why don't you ever troll like this in comp.os.vms?e > . > Message-ID: <3FBB1721.58914826@sympatico.ca>2 > From: Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>, > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: ens > MIME-Version: 1.0e > Newsgroups: rec.travel.airF > Subject: Re: One in nine police in UK will be protecting George Bush0 > References: <3FBA9AC4.7E57C201@hotmail.nospam>; > <502-3FBADFCB-138@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net>q, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito$ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 73 ' > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:10:02 -0500 ! > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34n% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.caiJ > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069225650 64.230.46.34 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003 > 02:07:30 EST)32 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:07:30 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico >  > Stan-Fan wrote:i > E >>every lead and suspect. Their preparations for a routine visit to adH >>site, or city away from the White House are elaborate, and triple when >>it is a state visit. >  > H > The problems is that because of Bush Jr's foreign policy decisions, no > visit3M > outside the USA can be considered "routine".  Bush Jr may not want to admiteJ > it, but the secret service knows how much NORMAL people hate him. And if > you L > have a crowds of 10,000 people peacefully protesting, it is much much muchE > harder to isolate the one person who has intentions of shooting thee
 > infamous > person down. > G > Why doesn't Bush Junior travel to Iraq to  visit the land he acquireduG > illegally and greet his new citizens he is keeping under army control 	 > instead C > of giving them promised freedoms and self determination etc etc ?o >  > M > I heard the idiot speak on USA television 2 days ago. He wasn't refering toe > MrM > Bliar or "The prime minister", he was talking about "Bob".  Good buddies or M > not, the head of state of one nation does not refer to the head of state oftE > another nation by his first name during press conferences or publichI > interviews. By trying to flaunt that he has one friend left outside thes > USA,B > Bush Jr also proved how inept he was at international relations. > J > Bush Jr should go hide in his ranch and stay quiet and not disturb otherJ > countries. And I can't understand why Bliar accepted his visit. Remember > thatG > Bush Jr is *only* concerned about his election camapaign from now on.a > WhileeL > Bliar can help Bush Jr by trying to show Bush Jr as having one ally in theK > world, there is nothing that Bush Jr can do to help Bliar. As a matter ofeH > fact, this visit will probably hurt Bliar by reminding poms that their > prime L > minister lied to them  to justify his illegal invasion and participated in= > that war against public opinion and against United Nations.s >  > M > Remember that the Bush asshole invited himself to Buckhingham Palace and is H > staying in the UK for 4 days. This is not your "routine" visit when he > rarely+ > stays more than one night in one country.s >  >  > 3 >>They automatically enlist the assistance of local J >>law enforcement, and every Federal law enforcement agency, the FBI, DEA,D >>Customs, INS, Border Patrol, Army G-2, Navy NIS, CIA and the State= >>Department's overseas intelligence division, plus Interpol.t >  > E > Interpol is not law enforcement agency. It is merely an informationo
 > exchangeM > agency, and I am not sure that the secret service has a direct interface to 9 > them. I suspect the official representative is the FBI.  > J > Secondly, while the secret service has legal standing in the USA and can > ordercJ > local police to obey the secret service's every whim, they have 0, zero, > nil,K > zilch legal standing outside the USA and have no god given right to carry " > firearms and even less use them. > I > Should the secret service use a firearm ONCE during this visit, it willtI > probably force the Bliar government to resign and call for an immediatee; > election. The public outrage would otherwise be too much.  >  > M > How come every other head of state, during a state visit, is treated by theyG > host and secured by the host, but US presidents are the only ones who- > refuseL > this and insist on bringing their own army of people and equipment ?  Bush > JrM > was invited by the Queen to Buckhimgham Palace. This traditionally involves K > being taken from the plane to the palace by horse drawn carriage. Bush JroI > refused (or probably the secret service) and he was instead flown in byl > helicopter to avoid crowds.h > J > What the fuck is Bush doing in another country if he is so hated that he > will; > have to avoid being seen by anyone except 2 or 3 people ?y > L > What the fuck is a supposed friend doing to another friend by imposing notJ > only his presence, but his army of people and rules onto another country > andsK > costing that country millions of dollars to protect its own citizens from: > Bush'Jr secret service ? >   >                     ---------- > + > Message-ID: <3FBBF28E.9AE242E0@istop.com> , > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: en0 > MIME-Version: 1.0v > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsp2 > Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File
 > References:.G > <OF8C0CEA9E.A32CE586-ON85256DE3.007660FE-85256DE3.00762CB5@metso.com>6, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 10 ' > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:45:46 -0500>! > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34t% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca,J > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069281819 64.230.46.34 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003 > 17:43:39 EST)r2 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:43:39 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico >  > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > D >>and I cannot see how it ever worked absent the Record Attribute of >>Carriage Return. >  > J > I am curious. On VMS, can't you edit a file without RAT=CR and still see > records as they should be ?  > G > If so, shouldn't the FTP software on VMS still provide the remote FTP  > clientK > with records separated by the FT_defined record (line) terminator when inn > text > mode ? >  >                   ---------o > ' > Some colorful Mezei trolling aliases:t > & > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>n > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>d$ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>l) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>e$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>i) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>d* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>7) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>r' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>i% > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org> " > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>4! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>g& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>a# > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>a" > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>l' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>c& > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>b( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> ' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>h( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>r) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>d* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>a) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>s' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>l& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>'* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>o$ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>r( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>2+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>@) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>l$ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> , > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>>, > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>= > Q <queue@continuum.net>  > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca> > etc. >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2003 11:30:54 -0800# From: meltie@myrealbox.com (meltie)i  Subject: Re: MicroVAX/Infoserver= Message-ID: <93395b50.0311191130.7b2ed20e@posting.google.com>h  x robert_dirosario@yahoo.com (Robert DiRosario) wrote in message news:<c83a2a1e.0311171844.3457065a@posting.google.com>...j > meltie@myrealbox.com (meltie) wrote in message news:<93395b50.0311150743.798b18bd@posting.google.com>... > > Hi Guyse > > H > > Antonio Carlini and I (amongst others) were having a conversation onE > > turning a MicroVAX 3100 into an Infoserver 150 by swapping ROMs -rJ > > Antonio told me that he recalled that there was an simple undocumentedH > > command or bit fiddle that could be done at the firmware prompt of aB > > 3100 to get it to load Infoserver software... does anyone else > > remember this? > B > Can you run the Infoserver firmware on simh?  You still have the > problem of needing the ROMs.  E I know someone who can get Infoserver 150 ROMs so I can make up a setkD for my MV3100 and i'm told that it should work fine as they are fromF the same boardset. Wether simh needs some magic in its uVAX3900 ROM orA if it'd emulate a 3100 (and therefore a 150) with a different ROMg file, I don't know.o  ; Still looking for that infoserver/3100 firmware hack tho ;)c   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2003 12:37:24 -0800* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) Subject: ODS2 file header.< Message-ID: <d28306e.0311191237.4bd4791e@posting.google.com>  E I am writing a C program to manipulate files. I found the following 3n@ modules missing from the C library, and had to extract them from) LIB.MLB. Am I looking in the right place?-  ( FH2DEF.H;2    7  19-NOV-2003 15:17:35.29( FI2DEF.H;2    2  19-NOV-2003 15:15:39.28( HM2DEF.H;2    6  19-NOV-2003 15:19:17.16  A And I did not find offsets defined for the "allocated blocks" and5D "used blocks" values in the ODS2 file header.  Is this an oversight?& or am I not looking in the right area?   Thanks   Denny7   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:08:30 GMTl# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: ODS2 file headerr2 Message-ID: <iZQub.9357$V77.5257@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <d28306e.0311191237.4bd4791e@posting.google.com>, denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) writes:./ :I am writing a C program to manipulate files. s  A   Um, this is a rather open-ended operation.  What are you up to?>A   (These are comparatively low-level internal structures, and areuB   not typically referenced by C programs working with files.)  Can    you post some background here?  C :                                           I found the following 33A :modules missing from the C library, and had to extract them fromc* :LIB.MLB. Am I looking in the right place? :e) :FH2DEF.H;2    7  19-NOV-2003 15:17:35.29 ) :FI2DEF.H;2    2  19-NOV-2003 15:15:39.28i) :HM2DEF.H;2    6  19-NOV-2003 15:19:17.16u  I   There are tools on the Freeware for this volume structure access stuff,,I   if this is for accessing OpenVMS disks on another platform.  If this isEG   for operations on OpenVMS, please look in sys$share:sys$lib_c.tlb fora)   these and other internal definitions.  d  H   (NB: Since you neglected to list the OpenVMS version and platform and @   the C compiler version involved in this particular case, I am G   accordingly free to choose a configuration and to suggest and to listsI   the most current mechanisms for solving this particular request.  :-)  o  H   There are directions on how to reference this library available in theJ   device driver documentation -- this library contains internal structuresI   and values and stuff in this library is subject to change -- but one ofwH   the most common techniques adds something like the following statement   onto the compilation:t  '     +SYS$LIBRARY:SYS$LIB_C.TLB/LIBRARY @  J   In deference to older releases of OpenVMS and of the C compiler, you may5   need an OpenVMS or a C upgrade to get this library.g    B :And I did not find offsets defined for the "allocated blocks" andE :"used blocks" values in the ODS2 file header.  Is this an oversight?l' :or am I not looking in the right area?r  C   Please see the ODS specifications on Freeware V5.0 for details ong&   the volume structure and operations:  3 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/ods2/r  C   and (assuming you can find a copy) acquire and read the VMS File M   Systems Internals book.  g  G   ODS-5 differs from ODS-2 -- on-disk -- only in the addition of FI5DEF E   structures to the existing use of FI2DEF structures, and by a valuen8   that gets changed in the volume storage control block.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqgN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:08:43 GMTH9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>o Subject: Re: ODS2 file headera/ Message-ID: <3FBBF6EF.39E4C86B@eps.zko.dec.com>>   Denny Rich wrote:o  G > I am writing a C program to manipulate files. I found the following 3rB > modules missing from the C library, and had to extract them from+ > LIB.MLB. Am I looking in the right place?m >y* > FH2DEF.H;2    7  19-NOV-2003 15:17:35.29* > FI2DEF.H;2    2  19-NOV-2003 15:15:39.28* > HM2DEF.H;2    6  19-NOV-2003 15:19:17.16 >o  + Just look in the C library version for LIB:g  @ $ pipe libr/list sys$library:SYS$LIB_C.TLB | sea sys$pipe fh2def  C > And I did not find offsets defined for the "allocated blocks" and F > "used blocks" values in the ODS2 file header.  Is this an oversight?( > or am I not looking in the right area?  H The allocated blocks are more or less derived from the mapping pointers.F For convenience they are also stored in the RMS Record attribute area.? Check out the "VMS FIle internals book" or just carefully studyw DUMP/HEAD/BLOCK=0aC The 'used blocks' is entirely an RMS concept and so is again in theg
 RECATTR area.n Check out : FATDEF..* The file header does have: fh2$l_highwater  4 So... what problem are you really trying to solve...2 Looks like you are diving deeper that you can see. Please define 'manipulate'!o   Cheers,n Hein.n           >r >W > Thanks >R > Dennyl   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Nov 2003 20:23:39 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)= Subject: Re: OT: Offshoring of IT Jobs Expected to Acceleratee: Message-ID: <bpgjga$1kqq56$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  + In article <3FBBA796.8C13FA51@pacbell.net>,n* 	Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes: > J > Just curious. What benefits do you get from the 25% taxes + the 60% your > employer pays?  > I would guess pretty much the same everyone else in the world,= I leave it as an exercise to the individual to decide if they & actually get back an equal value.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   )   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:41:17 +0000 (UTC)v? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org>e Subject: Re: Printer problem9 Message-ID: <3FBBD51F.65922EAE@encompasserve-or-this.org>    Insomnee wrote:e   > L > One however has started wanting the Go button to be pressed before it willL > print anything. Example: It says load paper in tray 1, but if you press GoL > it overrides and takes from the bulk paper casette. Is there a way to stop> > it from happening and take directly from Tray 3. I did add aI > /separate=(reset=reset)) on a set queue command but it didnt work. I amsJ > sending it a PCL statement through a device library / form type and dontJ > really want to mess about with that as other printers are using the sameE > module and working OK. We can print OK from Word and Windows etc...a >   E A wild guess would be it's an argument about stationery types and theiA printer no longer thinks that tray N contains what you asked for.i< Anyway, I'd start by printing out the printer configuration.  % Random related PCL control sequences:a  ) <ESC>&l26A              ! Paper size = A4e/ <ESC>&l5H               ! Paper source = Tray 34, <ESC>&n6WdPlain         ! Paper type = plain    M > Another problem I have is where I have a Square Root symbol at the top leftcG > of the first page, either when I have the banner page or as the firsto( > character on the page if I go without. >   D I've seen this with the TCPIP telnet symbiont, in which case I think/ you need to do this before you start the queue:o  ) $ define/system TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP 1c     Graham   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2003 15:43:44 -0600' From: jim@info2.uah.edu (Jim McCullars)1) Subject: Re: Question re VMS::IndexedFilet( Message-ID: <bpgo6g$pop$1@info2.uah.edu>  5 Craig A. Berry (craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler) wrote:(  E : Unless you've omitted a step in your description, then you haven't  B : installed it at all.  The basic procedure for building any Perl G : extension is (after making sure the perl_root logical name points to i& : the Perl you want to build against):   : $ perl Makefile.PL : $ mmk ! OR  mmst : $ mmk test  ! OR mms testt! : $ mmk install  ! OR mms installo  = : Let's start by confirming that you've done all those steps.   K    Yes, it does work better once all the steps have been performed, doesn'tf it?  :-)  F    I was doing only the first two steps (in my defense, that's how theH accompanying readme says to do it and this is my first install of a perlK module under VMS).  But I was able to read a file using it.  Thanks a bunch  for the feedback...    Jimd   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2003 12:54:28 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)lB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday3 Message-ID: <jAS22C8TCe3l@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  _ In article <sYSdnaUwDrD5jyaiRVn-tA@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:m: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:ii3JhXdjhYsG@eisner.encompasserve.org...      >>@ >> Actually, no.  As we both know , Itanium is doing pretty good >> from a sales standpoint > K > I certainly don't know, or even suspect, that, Rob.  Please provide salesmJ > figures so we can compare them against the competition.  The only figureH > I've seen recently is that sales are up 63% from the first half of theN > year - and a 63% increase of an extremely small number is still an extremely > small number.n >   < 	Little teasers about.  As we can see from realworldtech.com 	Paul brings this forth:  A http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fastforward/0,15704,545432,00.htmlo  2 "At Intel, spokesman Howard High says that Itanium2 is actually doing better than most people realize.0 The company will announce at its analyst meeting/ later this week that analysts' estimates of itsa, sales "are off by an order of magnitude," he0 says. "This year and next are very big years for4 Itanium," says High, "because people will see it has+ strong interest and that real companies arey implementing it for real work."d    F 	Again, as we both know Itanium is doing good from a sales standpoint.1 	The Itanic moniker is getting funnier every day.o   				Robd   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:50:41 -0500u* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday) Message-ID: <3FBBC990.1ABCE690@istop.com>e   Rob Young wrote:O >         Again, as we both know Itanium is doing good from a sales standpoint.g: >         The Itanic moniker is getting funnier every day.  D Has IA64 surpassed combined sales of Alpha and PA-Risc systems yet ?M If not, wake me up when it does. Until this happens, IA64 is just a prototypeoP baby chip that exists only because a 2 million pound gorilla says it must exist.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2003 15:19:42 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)dB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday3 Message-ID: <q$PMuWfbkhr0@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  V In article <3FBBC990.1ABCE690@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:P >>         Again, as we both know Itanium is doing good from a sales standpoint.; >>         The Itanic moniker is getting funnier every day.R > F > Has IA64 surpassed combined sales of Alpha and PA-Risc systems yet ?  B 	Why should it?  Those CPUs are still being manufactured and sold.C 	Tell us your thinking.  How or why should it exceed PA-RISC today?cD 	Here's a gurarantee - In 4 years time, Itanium will be selling 100 A 	times more in numbers than PA-RISC and Alpha will be - combined.e  F 	By your reasoning Sun won't judge Opteron a success until it outsellsB 	SPARC.  But we know long before that day , Sun will be trumpeting@ 	Opteron - otherwise they won't speed adoption.  So to say a CPU< 	isn't a success until the former goes away, holds no water.  O > If not, wake me up when it does. Until this happens, IA64 is just a prototypeeL > baby chip that exists only because a 2 million pound gorilla says it must  > exist.  ) 	Actually it exists because Intel decidedtB 	to occupy the same space that the other 64-bit chips occupy.  YouH 	can bet in 3 years there will be far fewer 64-bit chips around to buildD 	a server line for.  I'm willing to wager that at least 3 will have E 	announced shutdown or will be shutdown and one of those three won't r 	be Itanium.     				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:07:02 -0800p* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday2 Message-ID: <EZednfMUGM7qRiaiRVn-uw@mpowercom.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:jAS22C8TCe3l@eisner.encompasserve.org...:4 > "At Intel, spokesman Howard High says that Itanium4 > is actually doing better than most people realize.2 > The company will announce at its analyst meeting1 > later this week that analysts' estimates of itsi+ > sales "are off by an order of magnitude,"i > C Hmm, the figures I have seen are in the 10K range, even an order oftL magnitude increase for a supposedly "industry standard" commodity chip yearsJ after its introduction would be grim.  Now for a proprietary closed systemJ designed to lock out competition this wouldn't be so bad.  What were those Alpha sales figures again?   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:43:08 -0500l* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday) Message-ID: <3FBBF1F0.91501DBC@istop.com>l   Rob Young wrote:H > > Has IA64 surpassed combined sales of Alpha and PA-Risc systems yet ? > K >         Why should it?  Those CPUs are still being manufactured and sold.   J Then,  until IA64 surpasses "legacy, proprietary" chips such as PARisc andZ Alpha, it has absolutely no business making claims about industry standard or "commodity".  N Such claims can only be made once the status has been taken from someone else.J And right now, the status belongs to the 8086 architecture and Intel isn't about to let go its 8086.   L >         Here's a gurarantee - In 4 years time, Itanium will be selling 100J >         times more in numbers than PA-RISC and Alpha will be - combined.  K I am not convinced. It may very well happen. On the other hand, IA64 may beJN stillborn and replaced by Intel's 64 bit 8086, at which point, remaining AlphaK and PA-Risc stockpiles will still sell more than IA64 due to installed baset
 being bigger.   F Intel itself can't decide if IA64 or the 8086 will be given priority.   O >         By your reasoning Sun won't judge Opteron a success until it outsells K >         SPARC.  But we know long before that day , Sun will be trumpetingn9 >         Opteron - otherwise they won't speed adoption. h  L I find it interesting that you are so quick to spell Sparc's doom.  When SunM made Solaris available on the 8086, did it spell the doom of Sparc ? Nop. AndhL when Sun annoucned it would retire Solaris from 8086, it took good notice of? the backlash of customers and reinstanted Solaris for the 8086.F    Sun is also very aware of Linux.  J Sun has to find "itself" in order to remain relevant to the industry. Same applies to HP's HP-UX .l  M I see the Opteron as the beginning of the "diplomatic" phasing out of SolarisnM on the 32 bit 8086, not the beginning of teh phasing out of Sparc at the highEK end. I think that it will be a non trivial amount of time before the 64 bit M 8086 gains those features needed to make those really big enterprise systems.t, Until then, Sun needs to remain competitive.  I HP can afford to sabotage its enterprise business for the duration of thenC (long) transition, it has the printer parts business to compensate.e  G Sun cannot afford to sabotage its Sparc business until there is a cleareJ replacement that is not only available right away, but has made its proofsF already. Sun doesn't have profitable ink jet business to subsidize its enterprise operations.  L To this end, Sun really has no choice but to give Sparc as much energy as itI can in order to remain competitive with a product that has a better valuep proposition than competitors.a  M If/when 64 bit 8086 surpasses Sparc for enterprise systems, then yes, rumours - will become serious about Sun ditching Sparc.w  M Remember that if Sun asks AMD to add features X Y and Z to the 64 bit 8086 in K order to be usable in large enterprise systems, Sun will likely have to paya AMD the big bucks. i      N I suspect that Sparc will be alive and well for some time to come, not only toK supply the installed base, but also to provide high end features that AMD's  product may not have (yet).m  H Do not underestimate the Japanese. Futjitsu may succeed with Sparc whereL Samsung failed for Alpha because Sun will help Fujitsu make Sparc a success 3 whereas Digital actively prevented Alpha's success.8  AN Yes, all 3 major remaining proprietary Unix vendors (AIX, Solaris, HP-UX) needL to carefully think about their strategy versuys Linux. But all 3 also have aI significant installed base to cater to and it is that installed base thate+ generates the enterprise revenus (support).0   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2003 21:08:02 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)oB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday3 Message-ID: <xt5aeqMonLAu@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  V In article <3FBBF1F0.91501DBC@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:I >> > Has IA64 surpassed combined sales of Alpha and PA-Risc systems yet ?n > P >>         By your reasoning Sun won't judge Opteron a success until it outsellsL >>         SPARC.  But we know long before that day , Sun will be trumpeting: >>         Opteron - otherwise they won't speed adoption.  > N > I find it interesting that you are so quick to spell Sparc's doom.  When SunK > made Solaris available on the 8086, did it spell the doom of Sparc ? Nop.t  D 	Solaris on x86 isn't the big drag on SPARC.  Power, HP/UX, Windows, 	Dell are big drags on SPARC.s   > AndpN > when Sun annoucned it would retire Solaris from 8086, it took good notice ofA > the backlash of customers and reinstanted Solaris for the 8086.s  > 	Looks good.  But its hard to sell a Solaris on Opteron if you@ 	stifled development.  The think tank at Sun had to make a tough> 	call and the result is a 2-way and 4-way Opteron with more toD 	follow.  It is good they didn't knife x86 Solaris for Opteron sake.   > L > Sun has to find "itself" in order to remain relevant to the industry. Same > applies to HP's HP-UX .o >   ? 	Nah.  Sun has to fade into the Sunset.  Little differentiationn> 	left there.  They lack the performance of a Power.  They lack 	a Windows product.a  O > I see the Opteron as the beginning of the "diplomatic" phasing out of SolarisdO > on the 32 bit 8086, not the beginning of teh phasing out of Sparc at the highuM > end. I think that it will be a non trivial amount of time before the 64 bitbO > 8086 gains those features needed to make those really big enterprise systems.g    	Well as Paul points out in RWT:  F http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2003-11/sunflash.20031117.1.html  M Future AMD Opteron Processor-based Designs: Sun and AMD will collaborate on aHN portfolio of future AMD Opteron processor-based systems and scalability beyondI 4-way AMD Opteron processor systems. The parties will also collaborate on<4 coherent HyperTransport technology implementations.   @ 	The engineering required there shows they are spending money on> 	is serious.  As Paul points out, basically relegates SPARC to 	the RISC cemetary.s   > I > Sun cannot afford to sabotage its Sparc business until there is a clearrL > replacement that is not only available right away, but has made its proofsH > already. Sun doesn't have profitable ink jet business to subsidize its > enterprise operations. >   ? 	They are introducing uncertrainty, they have a great challengea> 	of convincing OEMs to develop Solaris on x86 - that is a much@ 	smaller portfolio.  They have great challenges ahead - but they? 	had to do something.  SPARC is seriously underpowered, look atn" 	these just released SPEC numbers:  N http://www.specbench.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030916-02509.html   SPECint_base2000 612       .   SPECint2000 702       N http://www.specbench.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030916-02508.html   SPECfp_base2000 954          SPECfp2000 1054      S    B 	Which government contract is making them run those numbers?  They? 	are woefully under-powered compared to $1500 Dell Workstation.s  N > To this end, Sun really has no choice but to give Sparc as much energy as itK > can in order to remain competitive with a product that has a better value< > proposition than competitors.n  A 	Energy?  You can't get blood from a turnip.  Stick a fork in it,e 	it's done.l  O > If/when 64 bit 8086 surpasses Sparc for enterprise systems, then yes, rumourso/ > will become serious about Sun ditching Sparc.   ? 	The murder is less obvious.  But SPEC numbers will show a much0D 	more powerful Solaris on Opteron.  The higher performance will killF 	SPARC for those forced to run Solaris.  Here is some Opteron numbers:    -    SPECint_base2000                      1376rK    SPECint2000                                                         1447u    -    SPECfp_base2000                       1329YK    SPECfp2000                                                          1423e  7 	Double the interger performance of that Sunfire above.o  O > Remember that if Sun asks AMD to add features X Y and Z to the 64 bit 8086 innM > order to be usable in large enterprise systems, Sun will likely have to payy > AMD the big bucks. i  C 	Nope - see above.  Sun and AMD are collaborating.  AMD desperatelyoA 	needs Sun - a large OEM that will push Opteron.  IBM will remainrC 	tepid - certainly don't want to risks tipping those Xeon discountsV 	in the wrong direction -  B-)  P > I suspect that Sparc will be alive and well for some time to come, not only toM > supply the installed base, but also to provide high end features that AMD's- > product may not have (yet).   E 	No more than VAX had a chance after Alpha came along.  Alpha was too:A 	much faster.  Opteron is much faster than SPARC and Sun needs to A 	save a ton of money by slinking away from CPU development - veryn) 	costly business.  Opteron to the rescue.   P > Yes, all 3 major remaining proprietary Unix vendors (AIX, Solaris, HP-UX) needN > to carefully think about their strategy versuys Linux. But all 3 also have aK > significant installed base to cater to and it is that installed base thatr- > generates the enterprise revenus (support).t  A 	Yep - mostly , but HP does have printers, IBM has mainframes and  	Sun has declining revenues.   				Robh   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:45:56 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: TELNET/PORT$ Message-ID: <bpgkq3$6g5$1@online.de>  I I am connecting from one VMS machine to another over the internet.  Both uG have an internet connection via DSL and a router using PPPoE (one is a e% rebadged Zyxel and one is a Linksys).     Normally, everything works fine.  E It is possible to access one of the routers externally via a special  < port.  If one knows the password, one can get into its HTML = configuration menu.  For the time being, I have this enabled.   H There is a menu where one can forward incoming connections to port X to H a specific port and a specific IP address behind the router.  Normally, I incoming connections on all ports go to the cluster alias, which is what aG I want.  But it might be useful to telnet to, say, port 55555 and have e/ that go to, say, port 23 of a specific machine.h   This does work, sometimes.  F However, after doing this, or after accessing the router itself, I get      %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ...   C when trying again, even with no port given (i.e. to port 23 of the dH router, which will go to port 23 of the cluster alias), something which  normally works all the time.  E However, this problem only occurs if I do it from the same machine I bF executed the "fancy" command from.  If I telnet somewhere else first, ? then to where I want to go, it works.  So it's not my outgoing  F connection per se, nor the incoming one, but the COMBINATION which no  longer works (for a while).t  I Does anyone have any idea what could cause this?  Is it possibly related  D to some parameter in my TCPIP stack, or is it purely a router issue?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:54:25 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: TELNET/PORT( Message-ID: <3FBBE688.D4E6551@istop.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:eI > There is a menu where one can forward incoming connections to port X toe? > a specific port and a specific IP address behind the router. A  J Which router allows you to remap a port to another port ? I'd like to have2 that. I have a Netgear RT314 and it won't do that.  F > However, this problem only occurs if I do it from the same machine IG > executed the "fancy" command from.  If I telnet somewhere else first,i@ > then to where I want to go, it works.  So it's not my outgoingG > connection per se, nor the incoming one, but the COMBINATION which not > longer works (for a while).r  # Sounds like a router problem to me.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:11:31 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: TELNET/PORT5 Message-ID: <1031119200814.3301B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   $ On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, JF Mezei wrote:  1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:lK > > There is a menu where one can forward incoming connections to port X to A > > a specific port and a specific IP address behind the router. r > L > Which router allows you to remap a port to another port ? I'd like to have4 > that. I have a Netgear RT314 and it won't do that.  @ We have a bunch of Netopias at work which do this.  It is called
 Port Mapping.y  G I have a Linksys at home, which I think may be capable of this as well,a but I don't remember for sure.   > H > > However, this problem only occurs if I do it from the same machine II > > executed the "fancy" command from.  If I telnet somewhere else first,hB > > then to where I want to go, it works.  So it's not my outgoingI > > connection per se, nor the incoming one, but the COMBINATION which nor > > longer works (for a while).p > % > Sounds like a router problem to me.n  ; Maybe the mapping is only happening on inbound connections?d< In otherwords, the packet has to come from the WAN interface9 and be destined for the LAN interface (or vice versa) for- the mapping to occur?i     --   John SantosM Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:50:06 -0500 5 From: "love_to_fake_emails@because_im_an_asshat.com"  & Subject: The need for scalable systems8 Message-ID: <3FBC39CF.EB29AAD0@because_im_an_asshat.com>  M CBC TV in Canada has aired a documentary on how the SARS outbreak was handledE	 his year.i  H Part of the problem was an IT system that couldn't cope with the load ofK information and forced the crisis management people to use paper and postitaL notes on walls to track what was happening. It worked, but was very slow. ItL is one of the reasons it was hard for authorities to provide accurate counts on a daily basis.a  M managers often choose a platform that is cheapest and can handle daily choreseM without considering that if a crisis occurs they'll really be stuck and fail. F This was often the case during the .com era with some of the companiesH starting off with wintel servers and if they became succesful, they then- failed because they couldn't handle the load.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2003 14:14:14 -0500iG From: "Richard S. Shuford" <shuford@list.stratagy.REM0VE-TH1S-PART.com>r  Subject: Re: The old DEC complex/ Message-ID: <rshu_20031119_141414@stratagy.com>n  ! "JF Mezei" seems to have written:n |n( | re: Digital facilities in new england. |tA | Considering the year they were built, what was the state of theeC | buildings in the 1995-1999 era ? had they undergone renovations  rA | inside, or was Digital so cash strapped that they were startingmA | to look runned down ?  has the purchase by Compaq and now HP   u | changed any of this ?g    E By 1999, the "new" Digital headquarters building on Powder Mill Road,@> in Maynard, was being converted for use as the headquarters ofC Stratus Computer, Inc., which is there today as Stratus Technology.   A (I was working for Stratus at the time.  During the height of thegB Y2K frenzy in 1999, we had the fun of moving the support center toC Maynard from Marlboro--while maintaining 24x7 support coverage. :-)   D (Once, while talking to the Stratus mail-room staff, I was shown theB pile of physical mail that was still being delivered to the PowderC Mill building, addressed to "Bob Palmer or Current Resident".  ThisyA comprised a fascinating collection of catalogs of very expensive nC merchandise.    I was particularly impressed by a catalog of shoes,<B in which the lowest priced pair cost $500 U.S.  He wasn't known as "G.Q. Bob" for nothing.)  A As far as I am aware, no vestige of Digital Equipment Corporationd@ remains in Maynard, Massachusetts.   Parker Street stands empty.? The biggest tenant in the Mill (now called "Clock Tower Place") @ is Monster.com, which dispenses tiny droplets of employment hope# to laid-off software engineers. :-(.    ...RSSr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:33:01 -0800N# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e& Subject: RE: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary9 Message-ID: <IDELIOKNLCICKNEPNOFAKEICCKAA.tom@kednos.com>p    I think you knew i meant Nashua.   -----Original Message-----6 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]( Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:12 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: Re: VMS 2003 bootcamp summary     Tom Linden wrote:o > @ > Martha's Express downtown New Hampshire has outstanding stout.   %RQP-E-RQSTCHK, Request checknG -ELTRAN-E-SCOPINCONS, scope of statement element is not consistent with' scope of statement  = "downtown" indicates an area of a city / town / village / ...o  D "New Hampshire" is a state, albeit small, consisting of many cities, towns, villages, etc.n   -- c David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsH http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:04:51 GMTc' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu><- Subject: Re: VMS73_Driver v4.0 (ALP) Problem?<) Message-ID: <3FBBDAF3.C6252A7F@uiowa.edu>o   Mike Rechtman wrote: >  > Rick Dyson wrote:. > >nL > > I just installed this ECO and found that my systems all now report theirG > > OpenVMS version to be "OpenVMS X90V-K5L" instead of "OpenVMS V7.3".e > >nS > > Has anyone else noticed this?  Or NOT have the above result after applying thiscP > > very recent ECO?  I have logged a call to CSC, but so far they have not seen- > > or heard of this behavior being reported.c > " > Apparently fixed in new ECO - V5  M They contacted me and told me they found the problem in one of the new images(H and the v5.0 release should only be to fix this.  So if you have already	 installedcM v4.0 and have the VERSION problem, you can use the Sys$Loadable_Images:SysVer7H program (see the OpenVMS FAQ for changing the Operating System Version).   Rick   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:59:11 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: What is port 557 openvms/ipc ????( Message-ID: <3FBBCB8D.6C6D433@istop.com>  A The official port number list has well known port 557 assigned to1G "openvms/ipc" and it was some guy at digital who is responsible for it.r  K Considering it has the dreaded "open" in it, it means it was created during  the dying years of Digital..  G Does anyone know what this is actually used for and by which software ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:19:45 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: [ASOVMS V7.3-2] What licenses ?2 Message-ID: <lUSub.13235$Et5.12220@news.chello.at>  X In article <Xns94385D686A147hbchp@10.0.0.3>, Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> writes:J >I posted this reply already on Sunday evening, but it seems to have been ( >ignored by the server I posted it to...  E I've seen it, but am currently unable to answer all your questions oriG follow your hints. And you might have noticed, I have no problem, I wass only surprised...a  G >Hmmm... how are these licenses configured? Do you use server-based or -K >client-based licensing? From your observations, I'll assume your licenses :E >are all in the "server-based" group for the rest of this discussion.d  A Server based licensing. No License Manager, no License Requester.s  J >Do you have PWRK$LR_DISABLE_CLIENT_PING defined to anything other than 0?K >If not, the license server first tries to find a client-based license for ,H >this client before it assigns a server-based license. And it does this 
 >search by...h   Don't know this.  QK >....scanning not only for a license with the requested version number but @L >also for up to four more major and three more minor version numbers as the H >requested license specifies. These ranges are also configurable with a L >logical name (PWRK$LICENSE_VERSION_LIMIT). All the gory details are buried F >in the "Guide to Managing Advanced Server Licenses", particularly in 
 >section 3.3.   * Thanks. I knew I should read more manuals.I But as I'm a hobbyist and I have no real pressure for anything (except mymJ family and ...) I'm not as investigative I used to be in earlier years ;-)  gE >> 2) it seems, that ASOVMS scans for all license versions regardlessF3 >> whether it already found a valid license or not.  >6@ >No, it doesn't - at least, if my assumption about your license K >configuration is correct. It first searches for all possible client-based s6 >licenses before it checks for a server-based license.  K I've a PWLMXXXCA07.03, but I'm currently not using it. Only starting it ;-)nK The PC is currently our TV, my boy's playbox and my personal building site,a so no time for real work...p   -- r Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERc% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.643 ************************