1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 23 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 649       Contents:B -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable imageF Re: -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image Apache logfile record desc? ( Re: Batch job submission using web page?( Re: Batch job submission using web page? BUG IN AUTOGEN.COM!!!!!!$ Re: Bugcheck in SYSMAN.EXE on reboot Re: IRC? Re: IRC? Re: Main memory for galaxy Re: Oracle RDB and $status% Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMS % Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMS % Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMS % Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:13:46 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)K Subject: -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image $ Message-ID: <bpou3q$hpi$1@online.de>  G OK, I want to start running the OSU server on VAX as well as ALPHA.  So H I get the latest version (I need to upgrade as well), build it with someE problems (apparently solved) described by me on the OSU mailing list, I find that all works OK and test things out.  It fails on VAX due to lack  	 of quota.   F It looks like the account has enough page-file quota (the only one it A could be, I'm guessing), but that the page file is too small and  F VIRTUALPAGECNT is too small.  (While reading Alan Winston's excellent I book, I made a note to myself to make sure that VIRTUALPAGECNT is larger  F than PGFLQUO.)  As a result, I make some changes to MODPARAMS.DAT and G fire up AUTOGEN.  For good measure, and since I plan to reboot all the  C nodes in the cluster one by one after applying some patches and/or  G upgrading the OS, I ran AUTOGEN on the ALPHA node as well, even though  / no changes were needed for the OSU server here.   0 I then got this message I had never seen before:  - %AUTOGEN-I-BEGIN, GETDATA phase is beginning. 1 %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node DANEEL B -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image1 %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node ELIJAH B -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image1 %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node ELIJAH # -SYSTEM-W-NOMORENODE, no more nodes D %AUTOGEN-I-BADFILE, Bad versions of SYS$SYSTEM:PARAMS.DAT may exist.B         We recommend that you delete all versions and start again.G %AUTOGEN-I-ERROR, GETDATA phase was aborted due to an unexpected error.  %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort  E What can possibly cause this?  Is it something to really worry about?    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:33:57 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)O Subject: Re: -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image $ Message-ID: <bpov9l$d8s$1@online.de>  D In article <bpou3q$hpi$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:    2 > I then got this message I had never seen before: > / > %AUTOGEN-I-BEGIN, GETDATA phase is beginning. 3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node DANEEL D > -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node ELIJAH D > -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node ELIJAH % > -SYSTEM-W-NOMORENODE, no more nodes F > %AUTOGEN-I-BADFILE, Bad versions of SYS$SYSTEM:PARAMS.DAT may exist.D >         We recommend that you delete all versions and start again.I > %AUTOGEN-I-ERROR, GETDATA phase was aborted due to an unexpected error.  > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort  I This comes from the GETDATA phase.  When the message appears, there is a  E lot of system-disk activity on the system disks on the two VAX nodes  G (ELIJAH and DANEEL); the error only appears on the ALPHA node; the two  ' VAX nodes run AUTOGEN with no problems.   F It appears that I cannot use autogen AT ALL on the ALPHA node without  getting a fatal error!  F The only thing which has changed since I last ran autogen on the ALPHAG was that ELIJAH was upgraded (with, apparently, no problems) from 7.2-1 H to 7.3 a couple of weeks ago.  The ALPHA node is at 7.2-1, and I hope toG upgrade it to 7.3-1 this weekend.  (DANEEL has been at 7.3 for a while; 7 I did a fresh install of 7.3 on it several months ago.)   E Probably, I could go ahead and do the upgrade, since I will take the  C ALPHA node out of the cluster to do that, and the error during the  D GETDATA phase obviously comes from the VAX nodes.  However, I don't F really have a good feeling!  Maybe there is a problem with AUTOGEN on E the ALPHA (though nothing has been changed in the last several weeks  A there) and obviously I don't want to start an upgrade under such   circumstances.  E Of course, I run AUTOGEN regularly on all nodes and have never had a  I problem until now.  I did NOT run it on the other two nodes after ELIJAH  + was upgraded a couple of weeks ago, though.   G Obviously, I would appreciate all the help I can get!  To speed things  C up, please email me if you have some ideas and I'll post a summary.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:31:09 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Apache logfile record desc?4 Message-ID: <3fc05450$0$17112$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Hi all,   F Where could I find a record description of the Apache logfile, please? In an RFC? Which one?   + A typical record is (indice letters added):   P a)203.xxx.yyy.zzz - b) - c)[23/Oct/2003:01:49:07 +0200] d)"GET /_derived/contact3 .htm_cmp_balance110_vbtn.gif HTTP/1.1" e)200 f)302  L g)"http://www.didiermorandi.com/index_us.htm" h)"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux @ i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225" - i)www.didiermorandi.com   where    a = originator b = ? 
 c = timestamp  d = request N e = HTTP status or error code (see http://wats.ca/resources/httperrorcodes/24)% f = another HTTP status or error code  g = page requested! h = agent (detail of the data???)  i = ?   H Are there other fields which may or may not appear in an Apache logfile?N Do you know of a good DCL tool to build a database from such records (or I'll  write it :-)   Thanks,    D.) Happiness is writing DCL between two jobs    --  N     Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News  | mirrors   | downloadsJ   www.openvms.org/dmorandi/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en USA        n/aI www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en Europe    2638 I www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf   fr Europe     521 I www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310en.pdf   en Europe     376 I www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdf   fr Europe     138   ;                   Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com   K      didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HP G          Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation K      Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287 H        SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:04:50 +0000 (UTC) . From: "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>1 Subject: Re: Batch job submission using web page? 2 Message-ID: <bpoc0i$qvo$1@hercules.btinternet.com>  # I'd say hello Kevin, how are you...   , "Kevin F." <OpenVMS Rules!> wrote in message& news:3fbd4143$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...I > What if I would tell you I could convert all your Oracle forms to Java?  >  > OpenVMS_Rules! >  > 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:3FBD3A24.3E079110@istop.com...  > > Didier Morandi wrote: * > > > then you type into your web browser: > > > 6 > > > www.mysite.com/ht_root/script/submit.com?backup1H > > > $ job := backup1                        !passed by the WASD serverI > > > $ submit/noprint/notify/keep backup1    !name of the .COM procedure  > > > $ exit > > H > > There is one major issue to deal with: authentication, usernames and > security.  > > K > > With OSU, I am able to have a url point to a decnet object. That object  > runsI > > under a specific VMS username. So if it were to submit a job, the job  > would   > > execute under that username. > > J > > You really do not want to give the web server CMKRNL privilege so that it > can  > > use SUBMIT/USER command. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:06:19 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 1 Subject: Re: Batch job submission using web page? / Message-ID: <vrvctbscp4br2d@corp.supernews.com>   - Insomnee <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote: J : Does anyone know if & how it is possible to submit a batch job via a webK : page? We're having Oracle Forms problems and thinking of solutions. If we N : did web pages running apache or something, is there a link on to the Queues?   Sure is.  9 Can you send e-mail to the VMS system from that web page?    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:59:48 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: BUG IN AUTOGEN.COM!!!!!! $ Message-ID: <bpp0q4$g1p$1@online.de>  D In article <bpov9l$d8s$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:    F > In article <bpou3q$hpi$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de5 > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   > 4 > > I then got this message I had never seen before: > > 1 > > %AUTOGEN-I-BEGIN, GETDATA phase is beginning. 5 > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node DANEEL F > > -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image5 > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node ELIJAH F > > -SMI-E-OBJNOIMAG, dynamic SMI object does not have shareable image5 > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node ELIJAH ' > > -SYSTEM-W-NOMORENODE, no more nodes H > > %AUTOGEN-I-BADFILE, Bad versions of SYS$SYSTEM:PARAMS.DAT may exist.F > >         We recommend that you delete all versions and start again.K > > %AUTOGEN-I-ERROR, GETDATA phase was aborted due to an unexpected error.  > > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort  I > Obviously, I would appreciate all the help I can get!  To speed things  E > up, please email me if you have some ideas and I'll post a summary.   G I think I have found the problem.  Fortunately, it was obvious that it  G was coming from SYSMAN and SYSMAN is not used that much within AUTOGEN.  AUTOGEN.COM contains:       $SYSMAN = "$SYSMAN"    $DEFINE/USER sysmanini nl:     $SYSMAN IO autoconfigure   H Now, it's rather obvious what this is supposed to do.  In particular, itG is trying to ignore SYSMANI.  One new thing I DID introduce recently is @ SYS$LOGIN:SYSMANINI.INI in the account from which I was invokingH AUTOGEN.  I DO NOT HAVE A SYSMANINI LOGICAL DEFINED.  In this case, the ? documented behaviour is to look for SYSMANINI.INI in SYS$LOGIN.   H In SYSMANINI.INI, I have SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER.  This is the cause of I the problem: a) SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE doesn't make sense on VAX and b)  < presumably should be executed only on the local node anyway.  H There are a lot of obvious workarounds in my case: remove the offending G command from SYSMANINI.INI, rename the file and use a logical to point  + to it, invoke AUTOGEN from another account.   D I've opted for the first solution.  SYSMANINI.INI now contains only H DEFINE/KEY commands (one of which is SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER, so I just ( have one keystroke more if I want this).  H However, I think it is rather obvious that this is a bug in AUTOGEN.COM.F I like having the file named SYSMANINI.INI; it would be bad to change F that.  It would be bad to change the documented behaviour of SYSMAN.  G Obviously, AUTOGEN wants to ignore this file and doesn't put in enough  @ effort.  Perhaps DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$LOGIN NL: would be enough.  F If I can reproduce the problem at work (maybe it is fixed in 7.3-1), IG might put in an official bug report---but it would be nice to hear some I confirmation from the wise folks here that it really IS a bug and that I    am not completely off base here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:04:53 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> - Subject: Re: Bugcheck in SYSMAN.EXE on reboot / Message-ID: <vrvcqlj8o1j8e7@corp.supernews.com>   $ Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:, :   This could also potentially be hardware.  
 Amen to that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:47:58 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: IRC? ) Message-ID: <3FBFBD6B.E3A4E1E9@istop.com>    Jim Duff wrote: C > I run #OpenVMS on Austnet (http://www.austnet.org).  However, the # > traffic is light to non-existant.   E is austnet.org part of any large IRC network (undernet, dalnet etc ?)   6 Also, you might get more traffic if you called it #vms   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:10:36 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: IRC? H Message-ID: <0pPvb.98737$Ec1.4572262@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Jim Duff wrote:  > C >>I run #OpenVMS on Austnet (http://www.austnet.org).  However, the # >>traffic is light to non-existant.  >  > G > is austnet.org part of any large IRC network (undernet, dalnet etc ?)  > 8 > Also, you might get more traffic if you called it #vms    G No, austnet is a standalone network.  Without the nightmares of either  I dalnet or undernet (which is why I'm there).  I'm on IRC for relaxation,  G not attracting VMS traffic.  But as I'm there, the channel is open and  I manned by someone that can answer technical questions should anyone have   any.  B As to calling it VMS, the official name is OpenVMS.  Deal with it.   Jim.   http://www.eight-cubed.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:43:00 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com># Subject: Re: Main memory for galaxy , Message-ID: <3FBFAE34.4070601@tsoft-inc.com>   Rob Young wrote:      > 	Where Galaxy does make sense: > = > 		1) Day versus night load.  CPUs migrate to backup servers  > 			or report run servers.  > > > 		2) Active-active clustering with substantial lock traffic.4 >                        locks through shared memory > A > 		3) Very high LAN traffic - applications using heavy net comm.  > 			LAN through shared memory    Q You've ommitted possibly the best reason for Galaxy.  Scaling has generally been  O rather inefficient with large numbers of CPUs in a single system.  What Galaxy  P does is sidestep the scaling issue, but then incurs the same issue in a cluster Q environment.  As you've noted above, there are some advantages to a cluster in a  - 'single' system, so the result is a net gain.      Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:02:43 -0700 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com># Subject: Re: Oracle RDB and $status * Message-ID: <3FBF7A93.68AA271A@oracle.com>  ; I'd have to imagine that Oracle Rdb support would be a wise & source for this kind of information.     Fabio Cardoso wrote: > - > Any idea when this problem will be solved ? / > RDB still not changing the $status at the end - > of the operations. I will need to integrate ' > the RMU/Backup with BMC Control-M and + >  there is no way for checking the status. 5 > Any other symbol or logical name could be defined ?  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:45:19 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMS) Message-ID: <3FBFBCCC.D663449D@istop.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:G > So, maybe the thing to do would be to find a Sep-2003 Time, mark that G > page and forward the publication - one copy each - to Carly, Mark. G. B > and whoever else with a note attached asking the question (VMS's > ad-worthiness).   K The "we need to see VMS marketed" message has been sent to the pundits many M many times. They know that customers would want to see VMS featured in ads so L that it would give VMS more life which would result in more applications and easier to get employees.  M Nevertheless, the pundits continue to refuse to mention VMS or advertise VMS. N It is clear that they will not start to market VMS  by themselves. (except forM a couple of ads here and there so that they can claim that they are marketing 2 VMS when the troups start to complain too loudly.)  N The "VMS doesn't need to be marketed" attitudes seems to be tightly and widelyL rooted; even some engineers have expressed those opinions from time to time.L Marcello knows and has documented evidence (the short lived renaissance withM some marketing in targetted regions yielding significant sales improvements). M But Marcello isn't rocking the boat. Even under Compaq, even with the success S of the renaissance, he didn't rock the boat when the marketing was ordered stopped.   M One possible argument in favour of the silence is that HP wants to wait until K VMS runs on that IA64 thing before starting to advertise it big time.  *IF* I that is the case, then the advertising should be starting pretty soon now N because they would want to start to make as much noise as possible so that theN minute VMS is commercially available on that IA64 thing, no matter how slow it( might be, there would be some interest.   G But I am not holding my breath. In the end, HP is not interested in any  Digital legacy products.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:13:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMSI Message-ID: <%bRvb.111078$j1d.69341@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H >> So, maybe the thing to do would be to find a Sep-2003 Time, mark thatH >> page and forward the publication - one copy each - to Carly, Mark. G.C >> and whoever else with a note attached asking the question (VMS's  >> ad-worthiness). > @ > The "we need to see VMS marketed" message has been sent to the > pundits manyE > many times. They know that customers would want to see VMS featured  > in ads so = > that it would give VMS more life which would result in more + > applications and easier to get employees.  > @ > Nevertheless, the pundits continue to refuse to mention VMS or > advertise VMS.D > It is clear that they will not start to market VMS  by themselves.
 > (except for E > a couple of ads here and there so that they can claim that they are  > marketing 4 > VMS when the troups start to complain too loudly.) > E > The "VMS doesn't need to be marketed" attitudes seems to be tightly F > and widely rooted; even some engineers have expressed those opinionsD > from time to time. Marcello knows and has documented evidence (the > short lived renaissance with@ > some marketing in targetted regions yielding significant sales > improvements).G > But Marcello isn't rocking the boat. Even under Compaq, even with the 	 > success D > of the renaissance, he didn't rock the boat when the marketing was > ordered stopped. > D > One possible argument in favour of the silence is that HP wants to > wait untilG > VMS runs on that IA64 thing before starting to advertise it big time.  > *IF*G > that is the case, then the advertising should be starting pretty soon  > now G > because they would want to start to make as much noise as possible so F > that the minute VMS is commercially available on that IA64 thing, no< > matter how slow it might be, there would be some interest. > E > But I am not holding my breath. In the end, HP is not interested in  > any  > Digital legacy products.    K Sales cycles to new customers is a long process. If HP wanted to be selling L IA64/VMS systems to *new* customers upon the formal launch of IA64/VMS, they? had better be smoothing the ways by beginning to advertise now.     
 Let's see:L 1) Ad concepts - a few months...unless they want to licence some of my ideas 2) Mock ads - a few more weeks' 3) Customer approval - a few more weeks ; 4) Media buy and camera-ready production - a few more weeks L 5) Actual Ad Run Date - varies by publication...for days to up to two months
 lead time.  L Elasped time until ads are seen: 14-22 weeks.....or anywhere from the end of) Q1 to end of Q2 2004 if they start today.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2003 16:40:58 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski). Subject: Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0311221640.3486094e@posting.google.com>   ` ter@bwsc.org (renato) wrote in message news:<39894c1a.0311200742.10669bea@posting.google.com>...# > Is anyone else in this situation?  > F > I work for a small public agency and we are on Peoplesoft FinancialsG > 7.5 SP2 (E&G) with our Oracle database server running on OpenVMS.  We G > are in internal discussions of which version of Peoplesoft to upgrade G > to.  We would like to go the latest version (FM 8.4) but this version H > is not OpenVMS certified and will not be supported.  Currently we have> > no plans on moving away from OpenVMS since it will be a hugeD > undertaking for us.  We have even written a letter to Craig ConwayH > pleading our case.  How much of a change is there between 8.0 and 8.4? > D > We believe our two options are to 1) upgrade to 8.0 which is stillD > OpenVMS supported, or 2) just go ahead with the 8.4 (8.8?) upgradeG > since for us OpenVMS is only the Oracle database server and have been 1 > told that there probably won't be any problems.  > 8 > Any advise on this matter will be greatly appreciated. >  > Thank you...  C why not just upgrade to 8.0 and that should tide you over until the B itanium version comes out ... if you use 8.4, then you better test it first ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:22:21 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> . Subject: Re: Peoplesoft Financials and OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3FC027ED.59EC1507@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > >> So, maybe the thing to do would be to find a Sep-2003 Time, mark thatJ > >> page and forward the publication - one copy each - to Carly, Mark. G.E > >> and whoever else with a note attached asking the question (VMS's  > >> ad-worthiness). > > B > > The "we need to see VMS marketed" message has been sent to the > > pundits manyG > > many times. They know that customers would want to see VMS featured 
 > > in ads so ? > > that it would give VMS more life which would result in more - > > applications and easier to get employees.  > > B > > Nevertheless, the pundits continue to refuse to mention VMS or > > advertise VMS.F > > It is clear that they will not start to market VMS  by themselves. > > (except for G > > a couple of ads here and there so that they can claim that they are 
 > > marketing 6 > > VMS when the troups start to complain too loudly.) > > G > > The "VMS doesn't need to be marketed" attitudes seems to be tightly H > > and widely rooted; even some engineers have expressed those opinionsF > > from time to time. Marcello knows and has documented evidence (the  > > short lived renaissance withB > > some marketing in targetted regions yielding significant sales > > improvements).I > > But Marcello isn't rocking the boat. Even under Compaq, even with the  > > success F > > of the renaissance, he didn't rock the boat when the marketing was > > ordered stopped. > > F > > One possible argument in favour of the silence is that HP wants to > > wait untilI > > VMS runs on that IA64 thing before starting to advertise it big time.  > > *IF*I > > that is the case, then the advertising should be starting pretty soon  > > now I > > because they would want to start to make as much noise as possible so H > > that the minute VMS is commercially available on that IA64 thing, no> > > matter how slow it might be, there would be some interest. > > G > > But I am not holding my breath. In the end, HP is not interested in  > > any  > > Digital legacy products. > M > Sales cycles to new customers is a long process. If HP wanted to be selling N > IA64/VMS systems to *new* customers upon the formal launch of IA64/VMS, theyA > had better be smoothing the ways by beginning to advertise now.  >  > Let's see:N > 1) Ad concepts - a few months...unless they want to licence some of my ideas  > 2) Mock ads - a few more weeks) > 3) Customer approval - a few more weeks = > 4) Media buy and camera-ready production - a few more weeks N > 5) Actual Ad Run Date - varies by publication...for days to up to two months > lead time. > N > Elasped time until ads are seen: 14-22 weeks.....or anywhere from the end of+ > Q1 to end of Q2 2004 if they start today.   E Enter the entrepreneur. He/she can cut that 14-22 weeks down to 14-22   days. If it was me? 14-22 hours.  F As another poster wrote, these days business must be nimble, agile and( flexible. More of the same won't cut it.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.649 ************************