1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 24 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 651       Contents:4 Re: A real triumph of Mezei's multiple personalities Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Apache logfile record desc?  Re: Backwards File Dump ( Re: Batch job submission using web page? Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again!  Re: bin Laden  strikes again! ! bug found in VMSINSTAL on VAX 7.3 # Funny error message (DECW examples) ) RE: Hobbyist license and layered products ) Re: Hobbyist license and layered products ) Re: Hobbyist license and layered products * Re: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limits* RE: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limits* RE: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limits Re: ISTOP's news2 F Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threat to liD Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threat to life on planet' RE: SQLSRV V7.1-5 Problem F Sybil Mezei Re: More JF Conspiracy Theories! (WAS: Bahrain-bound DHL p) Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases - Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases - Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases - Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases - Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Nov 2003 01:25:08 +0100' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca> = Subject: Re: A real triumph of Mezei's multiple personalities 9 Message-ID: <O5J40NCL37949.0581134259@Gilgamesh-frog.org>   2 Sybil (JF) Mezei continued his off-topic trolling:  * Message-ID: <3FC13E4C.67D6E869@nobody.com>  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com> Organization: nla0: * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: rec.travel.air$ Subject: A triumph of real democracy* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 	 Lines: 10 % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:10:21 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.11.160.74 M X-Trace: news.nnrp.ca 1069628884 66.11.160.74 (Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:08:04 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:08:04 EST  L The events on Georgia show real democracy in action: the ability of a peopleI to force their government to resign after they suspected their government I wasn't honest. It was done without the loss of a single life, no military 7 attacks, no destruction of a government infrastructure.   G It didn't require the invasion of a country, its currency or artificial 5 requirement to write a new constitution from scratch.   K (and for people in the USA, this isn't about your state in the south east - # There is a country called Georgia).    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:23:10 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?$ Message-ID: <bpr4ve$1n3$1@online.de>  C In article <3fc0e32a$0$26796$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi  <no@spam.com> writes:    > Martin Vorlaender wrote: >  >   Your mouse has moved.  >   Windows must be restarted  >   for the change to take >   effect. Reboot now? [OK]  3 The sad thing is, it's not much of an exagerration.   = At work, my PC (which I use not very much compared to the VMS B workstation next to it) gets upgraded regularly.  Latest, greatestC stuff.  Once, I crawled under the desk to rearrange the cables.  I  F disconnected the mouse cable from the PC and, I kid you not, I had to  reboot because of that.   G A couple of months before, at home, while rearranging some hardware in  F my hobbyist cluster, I accidentally pulled the wrong SCSI cable---the H one connecting a VAXstation to its SYSTEM disk.  When I realised what I H had done, I stuck the cable back in.  I then walked around to the other I side of the "rack" (actually an Ivar shelf system from Ikea) to see what  F the damage was.  Nothing, apart from some mount-verification messages.  B I can disconnect the system disk on a 14-year-old VMS system (but D running the latest version of VMS!) and plug it back in with no ill 8 effects.  I can't even disconnect the mouse on a new PC.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:53:06 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?4 Message-ID: <3fc11e57$0$26799$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   D > I can disconnect the system disk on a 14-year-old VMS system (but F > running the latest version of VMS!) and plug it back in with no ill : > effects.  I can't even disconnect the mouse on a new PC.  N You know why one of the most famous VMS engineers (actually in the Networking - Group), who left a few years ago, joined DEC?   N Because he once removed all cards from a PDP-11 backplane during a lab in the O University, then realized that he did not write down the slots where the cards  9 wer plugged. He said "well, let's put them back and see".    And the PDP booted just fine.    (true story)   D.@ playing with analog (http://www.analog.cx/) and a new challenge:  K [Sun Nov 23 21:46:19 2003] C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\analog\analog.exe: Warning L: +    Large number of corrupt lines in logfile L    C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\analog\logfile.log: turn debugging on or try different    LOGFORMAT      Current logfile format:F        %S %j %j [%d/%M/%Y:%h:%n:%j] "%j%w%r%wHTTP%j" %c %b "%j" "%j"\n>        %S %j %j [%d/%M/%Y:%h:%n:%j] "%j%w%r" %c %b "%j" "%j"\n:        %S %j %j [%d/%M/%Y:%h:%n:%j] "%r" %c %b "%j" "%j"\n  $ I'll see that tomorrow. Good nite...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:31:52 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?; Message-ID: <3fc12748.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   # Didier Morandi (no@spam.com) wrote: B > playing with analog (http://www.analog.cx/) and a new challenge: > M > [Sun Nov 23 21:46:19 2003] C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\analog\analog.exe: Warning L: - >    Large number of corrupt lines in logfile N >    C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\analog\logfile.log: turn debugging on or try different >    LOGFORMAT >      Current logfile format:H >        %S %j %j [%d/%M/%Y:%h:%n:%j] "%j%w%r%wHTTP%j" %c %b "%j" "%j"\n@ >        %S %j %j [%d/%M/%Y:%h:%n:%j] "%j%w%r" %c %b "%j" "%j"\n< >        %S %j %j [%d/%M/%Y:%h:%n:%j] "%r" %c %b "%j" "%j"\n  F If this is caused by the logfile you quoted: I told you you were usingH a non-standard format. You need to tell AnaLog about the last two fieldsE (even if you %j, i.e. mark them as junk - although I think I remember - AnaLog can use the virtual host information).    cu,    Martin  G P.S.: Even if it's not easy to install (because of all the prerequisite F modules), be sure to have a look at ReportMagic (www.reportmagic.org)." It's a great extension for AnaLog. --  H    Emacs would be a great   | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5    operating system,        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de L    if only it came with     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/<    a decent editor...       | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:44:21 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?0 Message-ID: <3FC16275.59C58ED3@sture.homeip.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   C > I can disconnect the system disk on a 14-year-old VMS system (but E > running the latest version of VMS!) and plug it back in with no ill : > effects.  I can't even disconnect the mouse on a new PC.  B Oh dear. I had a power cut here about three years ago which had me5 resetting the clocks on the oven, microwave, VCR etc.   B My Alpha and VAX came up with the boot prompt (as intended). B and= <RETURN> got me up and running again. Absolutely no problems.   H The Windows system said something like "No keyboard found, press any keyF to continue" Well I laughed at that but was severely p*ssed off that IB needed to reinstall the NIC driver to communicate with the outside world.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:14:32 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?$ Message-ID: <bprpi8$lcm$1@online.de>  ; In article <3FC16275.59C58ED3@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture " <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:   D > My Alpha and VAX came up with the boot prompt (as intended). B and? > <RETURN> got me up and running again. Absolutely no problems.   $ I prefer AUTO_ACTION=BOOT or HALT=2.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:57:21 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?4 Message-ID: <3fc181c5$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:  H > If this is caused by the logfile you quoted: I told you you were usingJ > a non-standard format. You need to tell AnaLog about the last two fieldsG > (even if you %j, i.e. mark them as junk - although I think I remember / > AnaLog can use the virtual host information).   Q So I understand that any WEB server log analyzer starts by requiring to know the  P custom logfile format? (excuse my poor English but you understand, don't you?). L In that case, my tool will implement automatic record description detection.  I > P.S.: Even if it's not easy to install (because of all the prerequisite H > modules), be sure to have a look at ReportMagic (www.reportmagic.org).$ > It's a great extension for AnaLog.   I will. Merci.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:30:04 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?4 Message-ID: <3fc19781$0$27018$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:  H > If this is caused by the logfile you quoted: I told you you were usingJ > a non-standard format. You need to tell AnaLog about the last two fieldsG > (even if you %j, i.e. mark them as junk - although I think I remember / > AnaLog can use the virtual host information).    Thanks for your help, Martin. $ Valid ANALOG logformat statement for  5 203.38.xxx.xxx - - [23/Oct/2003:01:49:07 +0200] "GET  @ /_derived/contact.htm_cmp_balance110_vbtn.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 302 N "http://www.didiermorandi.com/index_us.htm" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; 8 en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225" - www.didiermorandi.com   was:  L LOGFORMAT (%s %j %j [%d/%M/%Y:%h:%n:%j %j] "%j %r %j" %c %b "%f" "%B" %j %j)   Merci beaucoup.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:54:46 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: Apache logfile record desc?; Message-ID: <3fc19d26.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   # Didier Morandi (no@spam.com) wrote:  > Martin Vorlaender wrote:J > > If this is caused by the logfile you quoted: I told you you were usingL > > a non-standard format. You need to tell AnaLog about the last two fieldsI > > (even if you %j, i.e. mark them as junk - although I think I remember 1 > > AnaLog can use the virtual host information).  > I > So I understand that any WEB server log analyzer starts by requiring to M > know the custom logfile format? (excuse my poor English but you understand, D > don't you?). In that case, my tool will implement automatic record > description detection.  K AnaLog can autodetect quite a few standard formats (see the documentation), F but if the log file doesn't follow any of those, then yes, you have to tell it how to decode the logs.    cu,    Martin --  A    OpenVMS @ 25      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer .                      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deE    Still exceeding   |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5    expectations      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:31:00 -0000 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>  Subject: Re: Backwards File Dump: Message-ID: <bpr5ec$1rg7nj$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEENIIAA.tom@kednos.com... L > I think you miss the point.  When, for example a an integer is loaded intoC > a register its most significant value is in position 15, 31 0r 63 	 depending F > in the size but when it is in memory it is backward.  In my previous posting K > I gave an example, to illustrate that bit strings can ONLY be stored in a  > big E > endian manner and if you hope to have those represent, for example,  integersH > then on a little endian machine you will need to swap the order of the bits. I > To give another example, going back many years, when you are looking at 
 > object code H > it is very useful to have values that the eye can easily recognize.  I have > usedI > the hex strings CAFEBABE and DEADBEEF as an aid to locate fields in the 	 > object. K > But on a little endian machines you can't use those values in the source,  > but  must invert them. > I > Little endian results in an unnatural ordering, and requires additional L > effort in certain circumstances.  But at this stage, it is far too late toH > remedy that defect.  You learn to live with '0100000000000000' means 2 >  > L I know VAX and Alpha very well. VAX is unashamedly little endian throughout,C and I recall from my early architecture courses that Alpha could be 4 either-endian, but VMS is exclusively little-endian.  9 There is NOwhere in VMS where '0100000000000000' means 2. H In the compute summary queue the priority order is effectively reversed,K with the lowest priority queue using the highest value bit, and vice-versa. J This is an artefact of the VAX FindFirstSet (FFS) instruction. FFS scans aH register or memory field from the lowest bit to the highest bit. The bitJ position of the first bit set is reported. Higher priorities must be found0 before lower priorities, hence the bit reversal.. Why is this relevant ? on a VAX, priority 2 is  00100000000000000000000000000000C for Alpha add another 32 zeros on the right of the 32 bits above...   @ Otherwise, a byte containing 2 is ALWAYS 00000010, a longword is 0000000000000010  0 On a VMS dump you read from the middle outwards.A Ascii text is on the right and naturally read from left to right. F Binary, being a NUMERIC value and displayed in HEX, is on the left andL naturally read from right to left in increasing memory addresses. The LSB is@ (correctly) on the RIGHT and the MSB (correctly) is on the left.J You should NOT attempt to read the binary values looking for ASCII, if youC want the ascii, you read the ascii from the column on the right...! H btw. If you want to put DEADBEEF into your dump as a visual marker, just' make it %xDEADBEEF in your source code.   5 Dump of file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TRAVELL]TCPIP$FTP_SERVER. 7 File ID (10188,1,0)   End of file block 1 / Allocated 3   3 Virtual block number 1 (00000001), 512 (0200) bytes F Msb>00316E4F 6F4E2074 65532024 8D01000C<Lsb    Ascii>....$ Set NoOn1.< 000000F Msb>56244620 3D205946 49524556 20248D01<Lsb    Ascii>..$ VERIFY = F$V< 000010F Msb>22284D4E 4C4E5254 24462859 46495245<Lsb    Ascii>ERIFY(F$TRNLNM("< 000020F Msb>29225946 49524556 5F4E4947 4F4C5953<Lsb    Ascii>SYLOGIN_VERIFY")< 000030       -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/                         --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 21/11/2003    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) . From: "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>1 Subject: Re: Batch job submission using web page? / Message-ID: <bpr6jk$fo8$1@titan.btinternet.com>   I Im not using any system set up at the moment, and I have no web server in K place. I was just asking the question for the reason given. We're currently : on 7.2-1 but would upgrade to 7-3.x if doing a new system.    - "Z" <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message ) news:vrvctbscp4br2d@corp.supernews.com... / > Insomnee <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote: L > : Does anyone know if & how it is possible to submit a batch job via a webJ > : page? We're having Oracle Forms problems and thinking of solutions. If weH > : did web pages running apache or something, is there a link on to the Queues?  > 
 > Sure is. > ; > Can you send e-mail to the VMS system from that web page?  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca> & Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!9 Message-ID: <6TZ4BK5T37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>    JF Mezei trolled:   * Message-ID: <3FBDDF39.9F256C6E@nobody.com>  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: rec.travel.air& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!= References: <8fb7380b.0311202127.622e09a4@posting.google.com>  <3FBDB522.D5AB8218@email.com> 6 <%ojvb.9121$n56.4428@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>2 <kUjvb.34866$s04.17507@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com> <3FBDD28D.DFA415EE@nobody.com>2 <%Lkvb.34872$nk4.12937@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 14 % Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:48:27 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069407938 64.230.46.34 (Fri, 21 Nov 2003
 04:45:38 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:45:38 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   mrtravel wrote:  > Who did the survey?  > Who was surveyed?  > Where was it published? 3 > Did they actually survey people from all nations? : > What did they mean by "73 percent of the world nations"?  E Don't recall who did it, but saw results shown on BBC. Many countries  aroundK the world were surveyed. Don't recall how many exactly. And as I recall, it F was more like "73% of people surveyed" as opposed to "73% of nations".  I Bush Jr is despised around the world. I know that americans are sheltered  fromK that reality by their media and government. But if you are outside the USA, ' there is no surprise to that statistic.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca> & Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!9 Message-ID: <RCHNVQLT37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>    JF Mezei trolled:   * Message-ID: <3FBDD28D.DFA415EE@nobody.com>  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: rec.travel.air& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!= References: <8fb7380b.0311202127.622e09a4@posting.google.com>  <3FBDB522.D5AB8218@email.com> 6 <%ojvb.9121$n56.4428@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>2 <kUjvb.34866$s04.17507@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 10 % Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:54:20 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069404694 64.230.46.34 (Fri, 21 Nov 2003
 03:51:34 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:51:34 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   mrtravel wrote: M > > When your country's president is regarded and named as the MOST DANGEROUS O > > MAN IN THE WORLD by 73% of the world's nations . . . then we have a problem ) > > that demands our immediate attention.  > - > Really... Where did you get this statistic?   J This survey was well publicized outside of the USA. USA media chose not toK discuss this. I think the actual survey put Bush as more dangerous to world ( peace than Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca> & Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!9 Message-ID: <EIQMUAHI37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>    JF Mezei trolled (extensively):   * Message-ID: <3FBE8C48.AB0DB225@nobody.com>  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: rec.travel.air& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!= References: <8fb7380b.0311202127.622e09a4@posting.google.com>  <3FBDB522.D5AB8218@email.com> 6 <%ojvb.9121$n56.4428@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>0 <Xns943A81EB8B6D6charliec1excitecom@130.133.1.4>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)
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 17:04:01 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:04:01 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   "Charlie C." wrote: N > I've got news for you.  They don't hate Bush, they hate the U.S. and what it > stands for.   D They don't hate the USA for what the USA pretends it is standing forJ (democracy, freedom of speech, liberty), they hate the USA because the USAJ puts its own self interests before those things it pretends to be standing up for.   K The USA doesn't accept that a people can choose to live differently than in @ the USA, and the USA wants to impose its own values onto others.  D Look at Bush Jr, scrambling for Iraq now. France had asked for rapid transferH of power to Iraqi authorities for self government and self determination (with E help of UN during the time it takes for that new government to become K formalised). Bush laughed at the idea. But now, he has realised that France E was right, but won't admit to it. The problem is that the USA want to  imposeH their constitition on Iraq, telling them that they could change it later on.   D Who the fuck is the USA to impose its own style of constitution onto another J country it was supposedly trying to free and give it the freedom to choose ?   G When Afghanistan was freed from the Taliban, it was very quickly handed  overI to the interim government who very quickly re-instituted the constitution  that8 was in effect prior to Taliban rule as a starting point.  K What were the true intentions of the USA with regards to Iraq ? They change J each week. WMD ? Hussein ? Democracy ? Forcing a US constitution on them ? One E thing is certain, the fact that they bombed the parliament buildings,  ditched I their currency and refuse to honour the country's constitution is a clear F indication that their intentions were not what they had announced they would 	 be doing.   B >  They bomb us because we represent the thing that will cause theK > terrorists and their ilk to lose power and they hate us because we make a ! > great "enemy" to rally around.    : What drives someone to vote against a current president ?   @ What drives someone to take a day off work to attend a protest ?  C What drives someone to spend much time to organise those protests ?   I What drives someone to get involved in the opposition party to help bring  down the government they so oppose ?   K What drives someone to feel that none of the above have worked and the only + solution is to take more radical measures ?   J What drives someone to think that the only way to change things is to do a suicide bombing ?   J The level of dedication depends on the level of anger against "something".  J terrorists REACT to how they are being treated.  Change how they are being6 treated, and you suddently reduce the level of anger.   J The USA, under Bush Jr (and others), has done everything possible to raise the K level of anger.  Clinton probably got Ossama quite irritated when he sent a H cruise missile his way. Ossama knew that he had to stop using sat phones fromI then on making life more difficult for him. When Ossama lost support from  USA F after he pushed the Soviets out of Afghanistan, he probably got miffed enoughJ to bomb the Cole, embassies etc. But when the USA started to more actively& seek him out, he brought down the WTC.  G Remember that the "world" hated Bush Jr before 9-11 because of his knee  jerkK reactions of pulling out of treaties. 9-11 brought in instant goodwill from K around the world, even Lybia. But once Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Cheney were given J the reigns and brought out the wra rethoric/machine against Iraq, then allG that goodwill evaporated because the USA was no longer in a war against J terrorism, it was in a war against the UN. (that is what it was really all about when you think about it).   K Now consider that if Bush's actions after Afghanistan caused staunch allies I such as France and Germany to go against Bush Jr, consider how much anger  itK would have generated in the middle east ? Raise the level and anger and you D instantly get more and more people volunteering to do something mroe	 dramatic.   J When Bush starts to play outside his own backyard and against the UN, then the J rest of the world has a right to comment, and I would say, the rest of theI world has a DUTY to stop a rogue government that miuses its power and has - total disregard for UN and international law.     , > Our support for Israel doesn't help eitherL > but that's not a Bush thing; all American presidents have supported Israel# > (and the next one will as well).    D Yes, but how hypocritical for Bush/Rumsfeld to say that if France or Germany J or Russia used their veto at the security council, it would be a dangerousG precedent that would unravel the UN, yet, the USA consistently uses its  vetoF to block any resolution criticising Israel even in the face of a clear break  of the USA's own peace plan.    H How the hell is one suppose to have respect for the USA foreign policy ?  M > Clinton pretty much did nothing to fight terrorism and we were bombed; Bush E > is fighting terrorism on several fronts and they still come at us.    I Bush is not fighting terrorism. He is keeping terrorism on the agenda for F political purposes. He is fighting the UN to show that the USA is moreH powerfull and is still the leader of the free world, and the invasion of IraqI against the UN and the rest of the world is just one manifestation of the E Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Cheney manifesto from their newamericancentury.org  policy website.   J Terrorism is the RESULT of a problem.  You remove the terrorist problem byG removing the problem which causes terrorists to take actions.  Have the  bombs J stopped exploding in London because of all the cameras ? Nop. They stoppedH because Britain started serious peace negotiations with northern ireland which K resulted in the IRA getting less and less motivated to bomb the hell out of A london, and eventually IRA declaring what is essentially a truce.     H The USa has a big image problem in the middle east. The invasion of Iraq and I blind vetoing of any resolution against Israel makes the USA's image even  worse, which fuels terrorists.  K If the middle eastern governments are so bad, how come the terrorists don't  bomb their own government ?   D They bomb the USA because the USA is meddling in their own country's affairs 6 and trying to tell their country how it should change.  H Iran will be the success story of the middle east. It will be because it willJ have moved closer to democracy naturally, by itself. Why ? Because the USAH gave up on Iran and hasn't tried to tell them what to do in a long time.  F And Rumsfeld is probably very disapointed that Iran agreed to the *UN* Nuclear G inspection programme because it  means the USA has lost the card it was  hoping( to play to justify the invasion of iran.    K Did anyone notice how Bush was smiling yesterday at a news conference where J they discussed the bombs in Istambul ? Seems to me that he was quite happyJ because any bomb gives him added support back home and added justification for  his supposed war on terrorism.    @ Problem is that Bush's actions against terrorists only fuel more terrorists. < If that isn't stopped soon, terrorism will spread even more.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -00009 From: Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Bill Jowett) & Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!9 Message-ID: <Q7DEY3IY37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>   1 JF Mezei trolled (where does he find the time!?):   * Message-ID: <3FBF106D.BEBF5B2E@nobody.com>  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: rec.travel.air& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!= References: <8fb7380b.0311202127.622e09a4@posting.google.com>  <3FBDB522.D5AB8218@email.com> 6 <%ojvb.9121$n56.4428@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>0 <Xns943A81EB8B6D6charliec1excitecom@130.133.1.4> <3FBE8C48.AB0DB225@nobody.com>1 <ugwvb.14770$YD5.9299@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com> * Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 33 % Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:30:02 -0500  NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069486068 64.230.46.34 (Sat, 22 Nov 2003
 02:27:48 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:27:48 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   mrtravel wrote: J > > after he pushed the Soviets out of Afghanistan, he probably got miffed
 > > enoughN > > to bomb the Cole, embassies etc. But when the USA started to more actively* > > seek him out, he brought down the WTC. > J > Are you suggesting we should have ignored him after the earlier actions?  J Not ignore him.  When Clinton sent the cruise missile his way, he probably had G underestimated Ossama's ability to gather intelligence and move quickly K enough. It is like a bear. If you're going to shoot the bear, you only have F one shot and you must aim at his brain. If you miss, the bear will get *mighty* angry at you.  J The best way to get rid of Ossama isn't to kill him off, but rather starve him ! of volunteer suicide bombers etc.   G By reducing the level of anger the middle east has towards the USA, you  reduceC the number of young men ready to get involved into Ossama's plans.    K Ossama is like a weed. Once it has taken root, just chopping it off doesn't K garantee it won't regrow. You must really starve it of food. If the USA had H succeeded in killing Ossama in Afghanistan, some new terrorist group, or even@ AlQaeda would have regrown with perhaps even more determination.  J Now, after 9-11, dealing with the Taliban was probably necessary. (Had theG Taliban been smart, they would have fully cooperated with the world and  justG have been "incompetant" at finding Ossama. The UN would have had a much  harderJ time justifying an outright invasion of Afghanistan and ousting of Taliban had  the Taliban cooperated.)  H What the world did in Afghanistanstirred up a big hornets' nest. What isH needed post Afghanistan is healing to reduce anger towards USA, but Bush went: the other way and sought to stirr up another hornets nest.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:32:16 -0500 % From: "repatch" <repatch42@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!9 Message-ID: <Yzawb.1147$dt2.156636@news20.bellglobal.com>    Plonk, again...   F "Bill Jowett" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message3 news:Q7DEY3IY37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:24:52 +1100 2 From: "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au>& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!< Message-ID: <3fc141b8$0$13681$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  8 What, other than the name, makes you think it was Mezei?G Considering that _you_ are the one posting from the anonymous remailer.  -- Alan Erskine alanterskine(at)hotmail.com    Iraq, America's new Vietnam   4 "Bill Jowett" <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:EIQMUAHI37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:50:21 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!2 Message-ID: <csCdnUVyHtwm2lyiRVn-hg@metrocast.net>  4 "Bill Jowett" <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:6TZ4BK5T37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...n > JF Mezei trolled:i >h, > Message-ID: <3FBDDF39.9F256C6E@nobody.com>" > From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>, > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: eni > MIME-Version: 1.0  > Newsgroups: rec.travel.air( > Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!? > References: <8fb7380b.0311202127.622e09a4@posting.google.com>a > <3FBDB522.D5AB8218@email.com> 8 > <%ojvb.9121$n56.4428@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>4 > <kUjvb.34866$s04.17507@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>  > <3FBDD28D.DFA415EE@nobody.com>4 > <%Lkvb.34872$nk4.12937@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $ > X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4) > Lines: 14N' > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:48:27 -0500C! > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34a% > X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.canJ > X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069407938 64.230.46.34 (Fri, 21 Nov 2003 > 04:45:38 EST)i2 > NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:45:38 EST > Organization: Bell Sympatico >i > mrtravel wrote:  > > Who did the survey?i > > Who was surveyed?o > > Where was it published?h5 > > Did they actually survey people from all nations?t< > > What did they mean by "73 percent of the world nations"? > G > Don't recall who did it, but saw results shown on BBC. Many countrieso > aroundJ > the world were surveyed. Don't recall how many exactly. And as I recall, itH > was more like "73% of people surveyed" as opposed to "73% of nations". >aK > Bush Jr is despised around the world. I know that americans are sheltered- > fromH > that reality by their media and government. But if you are outside the USA,) > there is no surprise to that statistic.j  I At least a few more people inside the U.S. may be getting a clue as well.0G One of the recent (of course uncontrolled) polls that CNN posted on itssD front Web page regarding the focus of dissent in last week's EnglishK demonstrations found that something like 70% felt they were anti-Bush, only(J about 20% thought they were more generally anti-U.S., and only 10% thoughtK they were generically anti-war.  Not to suggest that cnn.com is a U.S.-onlyn' Web site, but it was still encouraging.d  L I haven't been following these threads because their titles made them appearA to be mere continuing slurs.  But I'm glad to see that someone isnE competently presenting the attitude of much of the rest of the world.:E Something else that U.S. citizens tend to push out of their consciousiD thoughts is the degree to which our closest friends (such as Canada)I disagree with Bush's actions (not only those confined to Iraq) - and whenlL the subject does arise, the reaction until recently has been as likely to beG to observe what lousy friends they have turned out to be rather than toaL reflect on what their feelings say about who *we* seem to be becoming.  But,0 again, that tide appears to be starting to turn.   Keep up the good posts,t   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:56:31 -080032 From: "Gary L. Dare" <gld_nospam@nospam.ripco.com>& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!/ Message-ID: <3FC18F7F.5020902@nospam.ripco.com>    Bill Todd wrote:  M >I haven't been following these threads because their titles made them appearoB >to be mere continuing slurs.  But I'm glad to see that someone isF >competently presenting the attitude of much of the rest of the world.F >Something else that U.S. citizens tend to push out of their consciousE >thoughts is the degree to which our closest friends (such as Canada) J >disagree with Bush's actions (not only those confined to Iraq) - and whenM >the subject does arise, the reaction until recently has been as likely to beIH >to observe what lousy friends they have turned out to be rather than toM >reflect on what their feelings say about who *we* seem to be becoming.  But,g1 >again, that tide appears to be starting to turn.d >a >Keep up the good posts, >l >- bill  >   I Actually, the difference is that the Allies never left the War on Terror,eK it's just that Iraq is not seen as part of it. Recent news about terrorists B using Somalia as a weapons clearing house (possible routes for SAMB smuggling out to the rest of the world) is being done by a mostly-? German task force with a few dozen US officers aboard, not sentu> to Iraq.  Canada and Germany form the bulk of the current ISAF> contingent in Kabul, while "only" 11,000 US troops are working@ on the Afghan eastern frontier.  The Taliban have re-established: shadow governments in three provinces and nearly run thoseC joints while a former Shiite enemy-turned-allie (Taliban are Sunni)e> warlord in the west, Hekmatyr, has re-established his dominion: without opposition because there are no resources to go up against him.  9 If President Bush had asked for greater allied support ini7 Afghanistan and around failed states like Somalia, he'd 8 be getting it or causing internal debates in those lands6 about falling short.  Certainly Afghanistan had set in1 motion a debate up north about reconstituting theo Canadian military.   gld    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:52:31 GMT % From: Dick Locke <dlocke@spamcop.net> & Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!8 Message-ID: <b373svgdpqen691fjveh1ukj40jtq4mf0k@4ax.com>  @ On 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000, Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote:   >JF Mezei trolled: >4+ >Message-ID: <3FBDD28D.DFA415EE@nobody.com>x! >From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>c+ >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)o >X-Accept-Language: en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Newsgroups: rec.travel.air ' >Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!%> >References: <8fb7380b.0311202127.622e09a4@posting.google.com> ><3FBDB522.D5AB8218@email.com>7 ><%ojvb.9121$n56.4428@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:3 ><kUjvb.34866$s04.17507@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com> + >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii-  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit# >X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4).
 >Lines: 10& >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:54:20 -0500  >NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34$ >X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.caI >X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069404694 64.230.46.34 (Fri, 21 Nov 2003w >03:51:34 EST)1 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:51:34 EST] >Organization: Bell Sympaticoo >x >mrtravel wrote:N >> > When your country's president is regarded and named as the MOST DANGEROUSP >> > MAN IN THE WORLD by 73% of the world's nations . . . then we have a problem* >> > that demands our immediate attention. >>  . >> Really... Where did you get this statistic? >%K >This survey was well publicized outside of the USA. USA media chose not to:L >discuss this. I think the actual survey put Bush as more dangerous to world) >peace than Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.d  E You know, I'm not a Bush supporter to put it mildly, and I do tend to%F think he's a major threat, but nobody seems to be able to come up with: a web cite to this alleged survey, so it doesn't have much credibility. A pity, really.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:37:24 +0000 (UTC)aP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: bug found in VMSINSTAL on VAX 7.3$ Message-ID: <bpr5q4$v4t$1@online.de>  I I'm applying patches to a 7.3 system.  I apply them one after the other, /F then reboot once.  About halfway through the list, I accidentally did  this:r  %   * Do you want to continue [YES]? no-  & As expected, THIS installation failed.  G I then repeated this installation, and then continued with the rest of oH the patches.  All appeared to go fine, but ALL were marked as FAILED in H VMSINSTAL.HISTORY.  Obviously, it didn't reset the success/failure flag.  I I then exited from VMSINSTAL and re-installed those that failed (just to  G be sure), making sure that I typed in the correct keyboard input.  All c were successful.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:49:14 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Funny error message (DECW examples)) Message-ID: <3FC17F98.A2459F0E@istop.com>R   VAX VMS 7.2d   $set def decw$examples $ run fileview X Toolkit Warning:     Name: paneSW     Class: XmScrolledWindowa1     failure of geometry request to "almost" reply   = (the message is issued after you've selected a file to open).   4 What exactly does it mean to fail to almost reply ?    Got a giggle out of that one.-  K (the Xserver was on an old mac where I often get messages about missing keyE( symbols, but never saw that one before !    G And while I am at it, there are many Xm routines where if you supply an@I improper widget, the program crashes (instead of a warning message issued  about a bad widget).   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 12:54:27 -08009 From: ue191@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca (T.L. (Terry) Branscombe)o2 Subject: RE: Hobbyist license and layered products* Message-ID: <3fc11e83@news.victoria.tc.ca>   sms,  I Did you get any response from HP after registering on the page suggested : by Didier Morandi?  J I tried filling out the two required fields, but have not heard back from  HP now in 4 days.    Alder    --   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:52:05 +0100f( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se>2 Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products0 Message-ID: <cs9znemu296.fsf@tempo.update.uu.se>  ; ue191@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca (T.L. (Terry) Branscombe) writes:y   > sms, >oK > Did you get any response from HP after registering on the page suggested m > by Didier Morandi? >dL > I tried filling out the two required fields, but have not heard back from  > HP now in 4 days..   It's the same for me.n   /andreas   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:50:36 +0100k" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>2 Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products4 Message-ID: <3fc18030$0$27038$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Andreas Davour wrote:0= > ue191@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca (T.L. (Terry) Branscombe) writes:h >  >  >>sms, >>K >>Did you get any response from HP after registering on the page suggested   >>by Didier Morandi? >>L >>I tried filling out the two required fields, but have not heard back from  >>HP now in 4 days.  >  >  > It's the same for me.    Because of the week-end?
 I don't know.    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:32:02 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>g3 Subject: Re: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limits0/ Message-ID: <mH9wb.286121$Tr4.889780@attbi_s03>m   Mike Naime wrote:   J > 8.6F-8 does not support 146GB disks.  I'm not positive, but I have heard% > that  8.6F-14 supports 146GB disks.G > 9 > I know for a fact that 8.7F-0 does support 146GB disks.  > , > tryter <user@hotmail.com> wrote in message/ > news:Xns943A6682ACA83tryter@216.196.97.131...- >  >>Hello, >>K >>I was wondering if my HSG80 at firmware 8.6F supports 146GB drives, or doe >  > IV > % >>need to upgrade my firmware to 8.7?o  J NOTE: I believe the current release of ACS for HSG80 is v8.7F-4.  The lastH (v8.7F-1 is a PCMCIA card, -2, -3 & -4 are text file patches you have to apply manually.)   Rick -- oJ Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduK   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ J | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016K   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020mE                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:38:50 +1100 / From: Malcolm Wade <Malcolm.Wade@bikerider.com>o3 Subject: RE: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limits C Message-ID: <200311232138.hANLcoD15670@mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au>e  O I asked the same question of HP.  Was told 146GB drives are supported with the tN V8.6x-13 variants.  Am running exactly that in a V8.6F-13 environment with no + problems.  Patch up to -13 and you're fine.-   Malcolm    > -----Original Message-----( > From: tryter [mailto:user@hotmail.com]* > Sent: Saturday, 22 November 2003 3:06 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com71 > Subject: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limitsm >  >  > Hello, > > > I was wondering if my HSG80 at firmware 8.6F supports 146GB  > drives, or do I ' > need to upgrade my firmware to 8.7?  n >  > TIAi >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:40:46 +1100t/ From: Malcolm Wade <Malcolm.Wade@bikerider.com> 3 Subject: RE: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limitsuC Message-ID: <200311232140.hANLell26219@mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au>n  O I asked the same question of HP.  Was told 146GB drives are supported with the iN V8.6x-13 variants.  Am running exactly that in a V8.6F-13 environment with no + problems.  Patch up to -13 and you're fine.u   Malcolmg   > -----Original Message-----( > From: tryter [mailto:user@hotmail.com]* > Sent: Saturday, 22 November 2003 3:06 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE1 > Subject: HSG80 Firmware / Drive Capacity limits  >  >  > Hello, > > > I was wondering if my HSG80 at firmware 8.6F supports 146GB  > drives, or do I ' > need to upgrade my firmware to 8.7?  r >  > TIA  >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Nov 2003 01:25:09 +0100' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca>e Subject: Re: ISTOP's news29 Message-ID: <7V7YNSGA37949.0581134259@Gilgamesh-frog.org>v  # JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> wrote:i  N >At the risk of getting Ralph angry and disconnecting me,  I have sent ISTOP aO >letter complaining about unreliability of NEWS2 (it is down again). My fear isME >that Ralph is purposefully making News2 unreliable to gauge how manypC >complaints he will get. So staying silent on the issue won't help.e  G What's the matter, having trouble getting all your troll posts through?V   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca>.O Subject: Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threat to liu9 Message-ID: <CRAMDN0837948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>s   JF Mezei trolled:   * Message-ID: <3FBE7ED5.F9683A20@nobody.com>  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: ent MIME-Version: 1.00 Newsgroups: rec.travel.airI Subject: Re: Livingston Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threatt to life   on planet't. References: <3FB9906A.CD8A51E9@hotmail.nospam>& <Xns94394BCEC28F5olive@216.196.97.132>, <6guprv4smhq7oorqn6t2dsqmln8me2n4bc@4ax.com>2 <gofig-0FC686.10311120112003@news-60.giganews.com>$ <Soavb.14$MF.4@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>2 <gofig-9DC99A.15190420112003@news-60.giganews.com>, <3qnrrvssfhvl17vic2dhombbp0knsasocf@4ax.com>, <teorrvg2s1osempcoa3q97mo7irogbph94@4ax.com>2 <gofig-CAAF54.02295221112003@news-60.giganews.com>) <jrJNvAAggfv$IwS5@courtlands.demon.co.uk> 2 <gofig-05DB37.04082121112003@news-60.giganews.com>) <2VVogDAQ1hv$IwTo@courtlands.demon.co.uk>_& <Xns943A7D4918DEDolive@216.196.97.132>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bity" X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 46s% Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:08:42 -0500s NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.348# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca0H X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069448798 64.230.46.34 (Fri, 21 Nov 2003
 16:06:38 EST)>0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:06:38 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   Olivers wrote:M > Had I been a terrorist, especially of the emotionally convicted bent of the2H > ben Ladenites, the biggest demonstration certainly would have seemed a! > gigantically attractive target,h  K Not when the demonstrators are on your side, protecting against the ilks ofr Bush and Bliar.-  G > Clearly, particvipation or non-participation in the War on Terror (or2 > actions against Iraq)   H The two are totally unrelated. The only relationship is that after 9-11, BushI Jr handed control from Powel to the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz who quickly  putnD in place plans to implement their "new american century" policies to	 discreditwK the UN, and show that the USA was the true leader of the world by using itsb5 muscle (military) to invade some middle east country.Z  G Problem is that the rest of the world is seing a really stupid USA thatr misuses its force.    G > As for CNN's estimate, most 'Merkins would claim that CNN is the mosti, > "Anti-American" of available news sources   I What would be the definition of "pro-american" ? Doesn't it all come down  onI whether a media outlet is pro or against Rumsfeld ? (Doesn't it all hinges onI whether a media outlet shows only the good things of the Iraq invasion ora one ) which allows criticism of that invasion ?   H CNN seems to be very much pro Rumsfeld compared to the other large media outlets of the world.   M > unlabeled,glaringly obvious.  If Fox has estimated 35,000, I'd be doubtful.M  K FOX is to TV news what the National Enquirer is to print. It is not seen aso anK credible source of information even if many americans believe what it says.   I > related bands UK operatives/affiliates.  Were I a betting man, I'd picki* > Rome and Cairo as upcoming target sites.  0 Cairo opposed the invasion of Iraq. Rome didn't.  K However, I think that Athens would be a target that could have very serious6I consequences. They *hope* to have completed their olympic facilities justk inK time for next summer's olympics. A bomb in the construction sites could set=9 their schedule off enough to cause havok at the olympics.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca>pM Subject: Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threat to life on planet'09 Message-ID: <FA3WB13N37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>:   JF Mezei trolled:4  / Message-ID: <3FBC8D9D.E4BD8D16@wildnerness.org>w- From: Wet Raccoon <w.raccoon@wildnerness.org>y* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: rec.travel.airE Subject: Re: Mayor of London says Bush is 'greatest threat to life onl planet'o. References: <3FB9906A.CD8A51E9@hotmail.nospam>/ <4Nqub.1314$1Q2.463@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>r, <38fkrvsej3g6osv0soqvft0rhb8jr37dbg@4ax.com>, <m98lrvkpnm638db9tism0dr9n0o734pu1c@4ax.com>, <s9alrv8bccs9fa4s17c99c8i9k83r52qcm@4ax.com>, <81bnrv00rtn53ojmvkrqsgamlnr2ongob3@4ax.com>, <5vpnrvg7tkduel3fktagn44tlv9r81o2kf@4ax.com>, <9thorv80sq54p37ehghkb6d4os5oimg776@4ax.com>, <ku0prv0qu4jb2b0saremovdk74j5db5k7m@4ax.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 31-% Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:48:03 -0500- NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.46.34 # X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.cadH X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1069321513 64.230.46.34 (Thu, 20 Nov 2003
 04:45:13 EST)c0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:45:13 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico  G The relevance of the mayor's opposition to Bliar and Bush is simple: itn helpse1 to show that Bliar acted without popular support.$  H Bliar's constituents are in england, not in the USA. Bliar seems to base his.H decisions on the fact that Bush seemed to have the USA population in hisK pocket and remained blind to the fact that his own constituents opposed his2& decisions to help Bush lie and invade.  H It is therefore very important for Brittons to shout as loud as they can thatE Bliar does not represent them and has acted against the wishes of hisPK population. And until a vote is held that kicks Bliar out, the only way for  arE population to send a clear message that it does not support its primes ministerD is to protest. And if you are a visible leader, such as the mayor of London,vH then you can use your position to help make that message louder/clearer.  J Ironically, these protests will help Bliar since there will be pressure onG Bush to help the guy he so often calls his friend. Already, the USA haseH indicated they may consider giving the UK citizens held in the Gantanamo dog.: kennel for close to 2 years now some due judicial process.  K The USA will spin its Gantanamo mistake into a gift when they give the UK at% small conscession on those detainees.8  H So Bush will be able to claim he has greatly helped his friend, kiss and lickH Bliar and then go home to produce all those videos to be used during his re-selection campaign.    J Meanwhile, the USA continues to smear the canadian they illegally arrested and G kidnapped to Syria without any proof of any link to terrorism and won't6 apologize to canada.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:56:43 +1030.: From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>" Subject: RE: SQLSRV V7.1-5 ProblemN Message-ID: <E829CF9B8F94014887EBC61E1951B0CE9E75BC@sagemshs001.fmc.sa.gov.au>  H If you are using transaction reusable services, then you will see one ofG these user connection messages for each transaction that is processed -e< hence in a busy system you get really, really big log files.  K I was looking at this myself last week, and I think if you specify NOLOG asSL the log file path, no log file is created. (Can't remember where I saw that, but I did try it out). d     > -----Original Message-----< > From: Paul Whapshott [mailto:paul.j.whapshott@lineone.net]& > Sent: Friday, 21 November 2003 20:34 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt$ > Subject: Re: SQLSRV V7.1-5 Problem >  > D > Verify is set to off. All events appear to be logged into this log> > file. The logfile will typically be around 400K after 1 day. > H > Here is a snippit from the log file (edited to remove IP and usernamesE > etc). Now this gets repeated thousands of times through the logfiler > for each user connecting.f >  > Paul >  >  > = > ---EVENT BEG: EVENT_LOG ------------------------ Fri Nov 21t > 07:59:25.930 2003---@ > %SQLSRV-I-EVENT_LOG, event logged at line 2814 in file CMD.C;12 > %SQLSRV-I-CONNECTNAME, Connect : CONNECT_0000001* > %SQLSRV-I-CONNECTSTATE, Connect state: 4! > %SQLSRV-I-USERNAME, User name:   > %SQLSRV-I-NODENAME, Node : l$ > %SQLSRV-I-APPLNAME, Application : # > %SQLSRV-I-SERVICENAME, Service : o= > ---EVENT END: EVENT_LOG ------------------------ Fri Nov 21g > 07:59:25.930 2003--- > = > ---EVENT BEG: EVENT_LOG ------------------------ Fri Nov 21y > 07:59:25.930 2003---@ > %SQLSRV-I-EVENT_LOG, event logged at line 2814 in file CMD.C;12 > %SQLSRV-I-CONNECTNAME, Connect : CONNECT_0000001* > %SQLSRV-I-CONNECTSTATE, Connect state: 6! > %SQLSRV-I-USERNAME, User name: o > %SQLSRV-I-NODENAME, Node : .# > %SQLSRV-I-APPLNAME, Application :a >    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca> O Subject: Sybil Mezei Re: More JF Conspiracy Theories! (WAS: Bahrain-bound DHL pa9 Message-ID: <ZBTZ2XX337948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>   4 Gregory Morrow <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net> wrote:   >e >JF Mezei trolled: >c >> Treb wrote: >> > Picture is posted:o >> >G >> > http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/22/sprj.irq.main/index.html  >>H >> Assuming the picture isn't doctored, then it sure doesn't look like a >normalo: >> engine problem. Makes the missile theory more credible. >>L >> What puzzles me is how come a missile would have caused so little damage. >>H >> Also, once the plane landed, how dangerous would the fire have been ?	 >Wouldn't K >> spilling and burning fuel have caused a huge problem as soon as the planl >was >> on the ground ? >r >c9 >Why don't you just use the screen name "Sybil", JF...???y   ROFL !  . . .  Sybil Mezei   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2003 20:43:19 -0000' From: Bill Jowett <jowett@sympatico.ca>s2 Subject: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases9 Message-ID: <ZGLLUW0U37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org>   $ Latest known Mezei trolling aliases:  ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>i nobody <nobody@nobody.com>& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>s Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>n" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>R% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>h Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>a! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>n# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>e  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>m$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>o  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>c$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>r& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>a% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>t& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>c' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>a& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>s) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>i' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>r" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>f* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>b* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>d Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:30:28 +1100y2 From: "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au>6 Subject: Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases< Message-ID: <3fc14306$0$13680$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  ( Why are you using an anonymous remailer?   -- Alan Erskine alanterskine(at)hotmail.come   Iraq, America's new Vietnamo  4 "Bill Jowett" <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:ZGLLUW0U37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...g& > Latest known Mezei trolling aliases:   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:12:39 GMTa* From: "  Darrell" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX>6 Subject: Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling AliasesG Message-ID: <X1cwb.6904$X2W1.2585@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  4 "Bill Jowett" <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:ZGLLUW0U37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...a& > Latest known Mezei trolling aliases: >g$ You missed one Who@thefuck.cares.com   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Nov 2003 01:25:11 +0100 From: Who Knows <maybe@its.you>t6 Subject: Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases9 Message-ID: <M3V2VQVB37949.0581134259@Gilgamesh-frog.org>a  1 Alan Erskine <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> wrote:s  ) >Why are you using an anonymous remailer?t  . Ummm, maybe because of psychopaths like you???   About Alan Erskine r   alanerskine@optusnet.com.au   G Alan Erskine is a well known Australian netkook, psychopath, and cowardnJ who lives in Melbourne.  He usually stalks and harasses the posters of theK sci.space groups, although he is known to make excursions into a wide range K of other groups for the purposes of trolling and stalking and harassing theEK participants there.  He is currently under investigation by the authorities(= in Australia.  If you fall victim to his frequent attacks and I stalking/harassment campaigns, like so many in the sci.space groups have,c9 notify abuse@optusnet.com.au .  This psycho is dangerous.B  H Most sane participants have been forced to killfile him for his frequentJ violent outbursts at posters and his unrelenting attacks.  Some are taking legal action against him.Y  G Here are just a few of his victims.  He has been stalking and harrasingaF Scott and Betty Grissom relentlessly.  Scott Grissom is the son of GusG Grissom, the second American in space, who died in an Apollo 1 training:3 exercise fire, and Betty Grissom, 75, is his widow.   E Alan has also been waging long-time stalking and harassment campaigns J against other well-known members of the space community, including RichardG Katz of NASA, John Maxson, and his sons Paul and Daniel Maxson.  He hasuA even gone so far as to threaten to kill the entire Maxson family.h  H He has been known to stalk his victims anonymously and via sock puppets,J showing what a coward he is.  Furthermore, he likes to challenge people toF fights, telling them to come to Melbourne and look him up in the phoneH book, while having admitted elsewhere that he is not listed in the phone book.  Coward!  H Alan is an enemy of freedom of speech and hates remailers, which serve aJ useful and necessary purpose.  He has resorted to impersonating others andK even himself through remailers in an effort to discredit remailers and make K it look like others were attacking him through them.  He regularly bombardsiJ remailer operators with hysterical complaints and threats and floods their
 mailboxes.  K Alan is currently on one of his psychotic crusades, this time to get peoplenI to killfile posts from remailers in order to prevent word of his misdeeds I from getting out.  Alan is a Nazi, he wants to be able to say whatever hehG wants about others but doesn't want anyone to mention him.  He wants totF express himself freely but wants to shut others up and, not only that,J wants others to do as he says, read only the messages he approves of, etc.D He wants to police, rule, and control newsgroups and people like the% perfect little jackbooted Nazi he is.m  D Alan is not just content to harass his victims in the newsgroups, heJ usually also stalks them via email.  If you find yourself on the receivingD end of Alan's famous psychotic emails, contact abuse@optusnet.com.auB immediately, as well as the law enforcement agencies in Melbourne,B Australia.  This psycho is very violent.  Do not attempt to reasonD with him yourself, many others have tried and he does not respond to+ reason.  Let the authorities deal with him.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:19:50 -0500 % From: "repatch" <repatch42@yahoo.com>26 Subject: Re: Updated list of JF Mezei Trolling Aliases9 Message-ID: <Q8cwb.1478$dt2.183234@news20.bellglobal.com>e  4 " Darrell" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> wrote in messageA news:X1cwb.6904$X2W1.2585@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...0 > 6 > "Bill Jowett" <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote in message5 > news:ZGLLUW0U37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...b( > > Latest known Mezei trolling aliases: > >t& > You missed one Who@thefuck.cares.com  *     Please, don't feed that trolls... TTYL   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.651 ************************ Iraq, America's new Vietnam   4 "Bill Jowett" <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:EIQMUAHI37948.9050810185@Gilgamesh-frog.org...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:50:21 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!2 Message-ID: <csCdnUVyHtwm2lyiRVn-hg@metrocast.net>  4 "Bill Jowett" <jowett@sympatico.ca> wrote in