1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 658       Contents:1 Advanced Server sending alerts to Win2000 servers  Re: Bill Jowett Death Penalty  Re: bin Laden  strikes again! % CARTS LUG: Chicagoland 3-Dec-2003 mtg 7 CDRTOOLS (Update/bugfix of OpenVMS Release 13-Nov-2003) 8 Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE First FutureVAX benchmark tests # Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests # Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests # Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests # Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests # Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests # Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests 5 HELP library format: refering to a different module ? 7 Re: How do they deliver a newsgroup from Alan Erskine?? 7 Re: How do they deliver a newsgroup from Alan Erskine??  Re: JF Mezei Death Penalty" Re: JF Mezei Get Rich Quick Scheme" Re: JF Mezei Get Rich Quick Scheme@ Re: Melbourne Australia: VAX 6000 + HSC + SA + cables available.+ Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder + Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder   Re: NTP build procedure for VMS?  OT Re: bin Laden  strikes again!E Re: OT: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests) + Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei + Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei + Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei + Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei E Re: Straw poll time: anyone clustering Alpha 6.2-1H3 and Alpha 7.3-1? 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday  Template-Toolkit on VMS A Re: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests) = Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests)  VEST bug> Re: VEST bug (or VEST feature, depending on one's perspective)> Re: VEST bug (or VEST feature, depending on one's perspective)  Re: VMS Defragmentation Software Re: vms to alpha Re: Who is Alan Erskine? Re: Who is Alan Erskine? Re: Who is Alan Erskine?  Re: Why PERL on VMS? We have DCL  Re: Why PERL on VMS? We have DCL Re: Wildcard searching* Re: [OT] Mac OS X: system folder not found  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:36:22 +1030 $ From: Jeremy Begg <notme@vsm.com.au>: Subject: Advanced Server sending alerts to Win2000 servers, Message-ID: <BBEBE696.4579%notme@vsm.com.au>   Hi,   L An AlphaServer DS20E is running Advanced Server V7.3A for OpenVMS on OpenVMSL Alpha V7.3.  Advanced Server is the domain controller.  Here's a list of the services it's running:   Services on server "LICKER":   Service          Status   ---------------  --------------- BROWSER          Started EVENTLOG         Started NETLOGON         Started SERVER           Started TIMESOURCE       Started     Total of 5 services   G The ALERTER service isn't running (which is deliberate).  So why does a < local Win2000 server display this message from time to time:  9     Message from LICKER to ADMINISTRATOR on <date> <time> ?     There were 5 access-denied errors in the last 1450 minutes. +     Please review the server's audit trail.   > How do I stop Advanced Server from broadcasting such messages?   Thanks,            Jeremy Begg   - (email address is my first name @ vsm.com.au)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:42:46 -0500 - From: bill <billjowettremovethis@hotmail.com> & Subject: Re: Bill Jowett Death Penalty; Message-ID: <qbnxb.14590$Eq1.1480450@news20.bellglobal.com>   F yawn... you mean so I don't have to make it too easy for asshats like H you to take up yet another personal vendetta?  Yes I'm aware that if it H comes down to it people can track what I post and when I post it. Yes I G could completey hide behind a remailer like the worthless sack of shit  F you are, but I don't because I stand behind what I say. In this case, D just in case you missed it the first time, I think you're a fucking H coward, and worse than the troll you're trying to "out" For the sake of G some persanal vendetta you the coward have, you pollute five different   usenets groups with your trash.    Coward     George Orwell wrote:O > Bill Jowett the coward <jowett@sympatico.ca> and <billjowett@hotmail.com> hid 5 > behind Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> and trolled:  >  > K >>oh for gods sake would YOU shut the fuck up?  you seem to be the fucking  J >>pussy in this situation since you don;t have the balls to actually make I >>a post from anything beside a remailer. You're a coward, a pain in the  ! >>ass and a fucking twit to boot.  >  > R > You mean like you, Bill Jowett?  Is that why you hid your true identity, because > you're so manly and so brave?  > K > ROTFL!!! . . . this is the best support Mezei can get???  What a loser...  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:59:18 -0500 1 From: "Dimitris Kiamilis" <kiamilis@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: bin Laden  strikes again!6 Message-ID: <Lkoxb.841$Kg3.103219@weber.videotron.net>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87isl7639w.fsf@prep.synonet.com... ) > Dick Locke <dlocke@spamcop.net> writes:  > F > > You know, I'm not a Bush supporter to put it mildly, and I do tendH > > to think he's a major threat, but nobody seems to be able to come upC > > with a web cite to this alleged survey, so it doesn't have much   > > credibility. A pity, really. > 9 > Try the BBC, and if that is no go, search commondreams,  >  > http://www.commondreams.org/ > K That side is not a news site, but more of a collection of biased views. Try  world newspapers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:53:48 -0600 , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>. Subject: CARTS LUG: Chicagoland 3-Dec-2003 mtg/ Message-ID: <vscehfob3rfq75@corp.supernews.com>    For details see:  5 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/lugs/carts/dec03.html    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2003 09:48:34 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) @ Subject: CDRTOOLS (Update/bugfix of OpenVMS Release 13-Nov-2003)- Message-ID: <3fc5ba62$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>    Konstanz, 27.Nov.2003    Hi,   > I've posted an info about the port of Joerg Schilling CDRTOOLS for OpenVMS.  = Due to the response of people who downloaded this version and < due to my own tests I want to post an update of the package.   This is what has been changed:  ; 1. Now the compile/link step runs without warning messages.   G 2. A bug in the VMS-specific part of mkisofs did prevent the production I    of a clean video disk structure. This has been solved. In other words: D    I wrote a DVD, put it into a PC/MAC/Standalone DVD-Player and theC    menu and video comes up. Here are the command lines I have used:     A $ MKISOFS -omit-version-number -dvd-video -o dka100:[000000]t.iso    dka100:[0]' $ LD connect dka100:[000000]t.iso lda1:  $ mount/foreign lda1:  $ DVDwrite/write lda1: dqa0:  % => A DVD-Video disc is ready for use! K ===========================================================================  =  This is the directory structure    $ dir dka100:[0...]    Directory DKA100:[0]  " AUDIO_TS.DIR;1      VIDEO_TS.DIR;1   Total of 2 files.    Directory DKA100:[0.VIDEO_TS]   J VIDEO_TS.BUP;1      VIDEO_TS.IFO;1      VTS_01_0.BUP;1      VTS_01_0.IFO;1" VTS_01_0.VOB;1      VTS_01_1.VOB;1   Total of 6 files.   & Grand total of 2 directories, 8 files.K ===========================================================================  = - Now this is what still is needed for OpenVMS: @ 1. A recording software that records video frames (avi/mpeg2/?).D 2. A authoring software that produces the files (*.bup,*.ifo,*.vob). 3. A media player.  K ===========================================================================  =  You'll find the program here:   F ftp://v36.chemie.uni-konstanz.de/cdrecord_vms/cdrtools_2_01a19_vms.zip  A To generate the programs from the source execute "@BUILD_ALL.COM" " in the [.CDRTOOLS-2_01] directory.   regards  Eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:42:24 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>A Subject: Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE / Message-ID: <3FC653A0.59BF73C@sture.homeip.net>    Alan E. Feldman wrote: > d > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<3FC3AD26.719C170E@sture.homeip.net>...   <snip>   > G > > Sorry I should have mentioned that when restricted to a single VT I G > > would CTRL-Y out of the procedure, do my edits, then resume with @.  > > J > > Since no close is executed, the record pointers are left as they were,, > > and you can carry on where you left off. > G > But you can resume with CONTINUE and the OPEN command would have been H > run only once and your record pointer would remain intact. (Yes, you'dB > have to spawn a subprocess to edit your edit.edt.) The suggestedC > change for the OPEN command would then have no effect. (Of course F > you'd be returned to your last editing session with the old edit.dat; > in effect, but do *QUIT or *EXIT and you're on your way!)  >   E CONTINUE didn't work when trying to restart command procedures at one @ time. Whether that was an effect of older versions of VMS or theG environments I was working in, I couldn't honestly say. It was too long C ago, but I definitely remember being irritated that it didn't work.      --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:57:47 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: First FutureVAX benchmark tests4 Message-ID: <3fc5d8d4$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  N I have run some benchmak tests on a FutureVAX 3196 LCS, running CHARON-VAX/XM L Plus V2.0 to emulate a VAX 3100 model 96 with 128 MB of emulated memory and O OpenVMS 7.3. The host is an HP EVO d330uT hyperthreading system with two Intel  F Pentium P4 2,8 MHz processors and 504 MB memory. Here are the results:   DTL33> @perf( Calculating VUPs via SRI's DCL procedure9 (see http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/login_demo.htm)  please wait...  % Approximate System VUPs Rating : 52.6   7 Calculating WHETSTONE floating point performance (MIPS) 6 (c) 1998 http://home.earthlink.net/~painterengineering please wait...  - Loops: 5000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 17 sec. 2 C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 29.4 MIPS  ) Calculating DHRYSTONE integer performance A (c) 1984 Reinhold P. Weicker, Siemens-Nixdorf, weicker.pad@sni.de  please wait...  + Dhrystone(1.1) time for 2000000 passes = 15 3 This machine benchmarks at 133333 dhrystones/second    Fyi.  4 The futureVAX page is available at www.futureVAX.comL I have restored the two Emulators International FutureVAX data sheets which 8 disappeared during my WEB site redesign. Sorry for that.   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:05:14 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton), Subject: Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests0 Message-ID: <eEmxb.236658$9E1.1292915@attbi_s52>  Y In article <3fc5d8d4$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: O !I have run some benchmak tests on a FutureVAX 3196 LCS, running CHARON-VAX/XM  M !Plus V2.0 to emulate a VAX 3100 model 96 with 128 MB of emulated memory and  P !OpenVMS 7.3. The host is an HP EVO d330uT hyperthreading system with two Intel G !Pentium P4 2,8 MHz processors and 504 MB memory. Here are the results:  ! 
 !DTL33> @perf ) !Calculating VUPs via SRI's DCL procedure : !(see http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/login_demo.htm) !please wait...  ! & !Approximate System VUPs Rating : 52.6 !   C This is what I get on my "real" uVAX 3100-96, 64Mb of memory, V7.2:    TURTLE::BRAD$ @calculate_vups & Approximate System VUPs Rating :  32.4  N Perhaps not the same program you are using, but not bad for a "free" machine. : How much did the EVO and CHARON-VAX/XM Plus V2.0 cost?	:-)  K [OT] I'm off to enjoy Thanksgiving today.  Is there a similar holiday (at a  different time of year) in .FR?    !snip! !D.   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:31:31 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests0 Message-ID: <00A29849.583EAA64@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <eEmxb.236658$9E1.1292915@attbi_s52>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: Z >In article <3fc5d8d4$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:P >!I have run some benchmak tests on a FutureVAX 3196 LCS, running CHARON-VAX/XM N >!Plus V2.0 to emulate a VAX 3100 model 96 with 128 MB of emulated memory and Q >!OpenVMS 7.3. The host is an HP EVO d330uT hyperthreading system with two Intel  H >!Pentium P4 2,8 MHz processors and 504 MB memory. Here are the results: >! >!DTL33> @perf* >!Calculating VUPs via SRI's DCL procedure; >!(see http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/login_demo.htm)  >!please wait... >!' >!Approximate System VUPs Rating : 52.6  >! > D >This is what I get on my "real" uVAX 3100-96, 64Mb of memory, V7.2: >  >TURTLE::BRAD$ @calculate_vups' >Approximate System VUPs Rating :  32.4  > O >Perhaps not the same program you are using, but not bad for a "free" machine.  ; >How much did the EVO and CHARON-VAX/XM Plus V2.0 cost?	:-)  > L >[OT] I'm off to enjoy Thanksgiving today.  Is there a similar holiday (at a  >different time of year) in .FR? >  >!snip!  >!D. > K >__________________________________________________________________________ B >Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"L >bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' 1 >                                         with @"   	 Bradford,   K Would you email to me a copy of your CALCULATE_VUPS.COM procedure.  I had a K copy on a machine here and can't find it.  I know it was also posted in one L of the DECUServe conferences too but I don't have time to go looking for it.K I've loaded SimH/VAX (thanks to Jeremy Begg's efforts to compile it) on my  * PowerBook G4 and I'd like to benchmark it.  " I'd really love a SimH Alpha... ;)   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:53:27 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton), Subject: Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests/ Message-ID: <rlnxb.324979$Fm2.335226@attbi_s04>   S In article <00A29849.583EAA64@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: 2 !snip!                                     with @" ! 
 !Bradford, ! L !Would you email to me a copy of your CALCULATE_VUPS.COM procedure.  I had aL !copy on a machine here and can't find it.  I know it was also posted in oneM !of the DECUServe conferences too but I don't have time to go looking for it. L !I've loaded SimH/VAX (thanks to Jeremy Begg's efforts to compile it) on my + !PowerBook G4 and I'd like to benchmark it.  ! # !I'd really love a SimH Alpha... ;)  !  !-- M !VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  !           6 !  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   	 Hi Brian,   # Having a problem sending to tmesis:   2 554_5.7.1_Message_rejected_due_to_header_contents.> Diagnostic-Code: smtp: Permanent Failure: Other address status  2 Would it be OK if I posted the code here, instead?  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:27:48 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> , Subject: Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests8 Message-ID: <at5csv4jdvsb314o6lmltscq67abviclol@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:53:27 GMT, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote:  3 >Would it be OK if I posted the code here, instead?   : No doubt missing a Digital copyright notice, here is mine:   $! CALCULATE_VUPS: $!
 $ set noon $ write sys$output " " $ write sys$output -5  "   The System VUPs Rating is now being calculated."  $ write sys$output -6  "   This is not intended to be an exact measurement." $ write sys$output " "' $ orig_privs       = f$setprv("ALTPRI") ' $ process_priority = f$getjpi(0,"PRIB")  $ init_counter      = 5000 $ init_loop_maximum = 205 * $ start_cputime     = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") $ set process/priority=16  $ loop_index        = 0  $ 10$:! $     loop_index = loop_index + 1 8 $     if loop_index .ne. init_loop_maximum then goto 10$% $ end_cputime  = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") ) $ set process/priority='process_priority' = $ init_vups    = init_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime) 5 $ loop_maximum = (init_vups * init_loop_maximum) / 10 0 $ base_counter = (init_counter * init_vups) / 10 $ vups         = 0 $ 20$:) $    start_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM")  $    set process/priority=16 $    loop_index = 0 	 $    30$: $ $        loop_index = loop_index + 16 $        if loop_index .ne. loop_maximum then goto 30$' $    end_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") , $    set process/priority='process_priority'< $    new_vups = base_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime)( $    if new_vups .eq. vups then goto 40$ $    vups = new_vups
 $    goto 20$  $ 40$:" $ new_privs = f$setprv(orig_privs)3 $! DEF/NOLOG/SYSTEM/EXEC  SYSTEM_VUPS_RATING 'vups' = $ write sys$output "   Approximate System VUPs Rating :  ", - ;                    vups / 10,".", vups - ((vups / 10) * 10)  $ write sys$output " " $ exit   --  4 Another brilyunt mind diztroyed by publik edukashn.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:51:26 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests0 Message-ID: <00A2985C.E4285BBC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <rlnxb.324979$Fm2.335226@attbi_s04>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:T >In article <00A29849.583EAA64@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:3 >!snip!                                     with @"  >! >!Bradford,  >!M >!Would you email to me a copy of your CALCULATE_VUPS.COM procedure.  I had a M >!copy on a machine here and can't find it.  I know it was also posted in one N >!of the DECUServe conferences too but I don't have time to go looking for it.M >!I've loaded SimH/VAX (thanks to Jeremy Begg's efforts to compile it) on my  , >!PowerBook G4 and I'd like to benchmark it. >!$ >!I'd really love a SimH Alpha... ;) >! >!--  N >!VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
 >!            7 >!  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   > 
 >Hi Brian, > $ >Having a problem sending to tmesis: > 3 >554_5.7.1_Message_rejected_due_to_header_contents. ? >Diagnostic-Code: smtp: Permanent Failure: Other address status  > 3 >Would it be OK if I posted the code here, instead?  > K >__________________________________________________________________________ B >Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"L >bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' 1 >                                         with @"   ' The subject has THANK YOU in it??? Why?    Send it without...   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:02:50 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>, Subject: Re: First FutureVAX benchmark tests4 Message-ID: <3fc63c74$0$27013$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   VAXman- wrote:  M > Would you email to me a copy of your CALCULATE_VUPS.COM procedure.  I had a M > copy on a machine here and can't find it.  I know it was also posted in one N > of the DECUServe conferences too but I don't have time to go looking for it.M > I've loaded SimH/VAX (thanks to Jeremy Begg's efforts to compile it) on my  , > PowerBook G4 and I'd like to benchmark it.  + Here is SRI's, which is slightly different:   ' $ on control_y then goto chv$user_break 
 $ set noon $ write sys$output " "( $ orig_privs        = f$setprv("ALTPRI") $ chv$say_sub: subroutine & $   write chv$out "''f$time()': " + P1& $   write chv$log "''f$time()': " + P1 $ endsubroutine  $!) $ say="write chv$out f$time() + "": "" +" * $ if f$trnlnm("chv$log_redirect") .eqs "Y" $ then $    say="call chv$say_sub"  $ endif  $ write sys$output " "( $ process_priority  = f$getjpi(0,"PRIB")M $ cpu_multiplier    = 1                              ! 1 = VAX, 4 = Alpha/AXP < $ IF F$GETSYI("HW_MODEL") .GT. 1024  THEN cpu_multiplier = 4( $ cpu_rounding      = cpu_multiplier + 1+ $ init_counter      = cpu_multiplier * 5300  $ init_loop_maximum = 205 * $ start_cputime     = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") $ loop_index        = 0  $ set noveri $ 10$:! $     loop_index = loop_index + 1 8 $     if loop_index .ne. init_loop_maximum then goto 10$% $ end_cputime  = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") C $ init_vups    = ((init_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime) + - B                     cpu_multiplier) / cpu_rounding) * cpu_rounding5 $ loop_maximum = (init_vups * init_loop_maximum) / 10 0 $ base_counter = (init_counter * init_vups) / 10 $ vups         = 0 $ times_through_loop = 0 $ 20$:0 $    times_through_loop = times_through_loop + 1) $    start_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM")  $    loop_index = 0 	 $    30$: $ $        loop_index = loop_index + 16 $        if loop_index .ne. loop_maximum then goto 30$' $    end_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") B $    new_vups = ((base_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime) + -A                    cpu_multiplier) / cpu_rounding) * cpu_rounding = $    if  (new_vups .le. (vups + cpu_multiplier + 1))  .and. - F           (new_vups .ge. (vups - (cpu_multiplier + 1)))  then goto 40$ $    vups = new_vups
 $    goto 20$  $ 40$:" $ new_privs = f$setprv(orig_privs)< $ set message /nofacility/noidentification/noseverity/notext1 $ ASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC  'vups'  MACHINE_VUPS_RATING 4 $ set message /facility/identification/severity/text= $ write sys$output "   Approximate System VUPs Rating :  ", - <                     vups / 10,".", vups - ((vups / 10) * 10) $ write sys$output " " $! $ chv$user_break:  $ exit   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:03:07 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: HELP library format: refering to a different module ?) Message-ID: <3FC5D9AF.80AECCE0@istop.com>   L In a help library, it is possible to refer to an item that is in a different* module in the list of possible subtopics ?    K For instance, if you had a module that describes possible time formats, and H then, you have documentation on $BINTIM, it would be nice if the $BINTIM@ documentation could have a direct link to the time format topic.  - Is this possible in HELP ? If not, it should.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:56:37 -0500 2 From: "James Anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net>@ Subject: Re: How do they deliver a newsgroup from Alan Erskine??, Message-ID: <bq47em$8t5$2@news3.infoave.net>  / The above message as been forwarded to Spamcop.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:26:09 GMT 1 From: "  Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> @ Subject: Re: How do they deliver a newsgroup from Alan Erskine??J Message-ID: <lIoxb.71410$Fv8.6215@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  = "James Anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message & news:bq47em$8t5$2@news3.infoave.net...1 > The above message as been forwarded to Spamcop.  >  kewl, what will they do?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:27:58 GMT 5 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net> # Subject: Re: JF Mezei Death Penalty C Message-ID: <ysjxb.21782$Rk5.7425@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>    George Orwell wrote:  4 > JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> the agitator trolled: > L > >Has anyone participated in the process of getting a UDP against a network ?  > > @ > >Where would one go first to start the process ? Is there good
 authoritative D > >documentation on the process ? Is this something which is next to
 impossible > >to accomplish ? > I > Oh, are you planning to get a UDP against sympatico.ca, bellglobal.ca.,  and I > videotron.ca for promoting your ABUSE of usenet for YEARS and YEARS and  YEARS??? > K > Here's a list of some of your recent trolling identities for them to help  you  > out:    3 "Eaten" Raccoon...???  Lol....cheap and greazy.....    --   Best Greg      & > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>+ > Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>  > nobody <nobody@nobody.com>( > Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> $ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> * > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> ' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> % > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org> " > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> & > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> # > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org> " > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> ' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> ( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> ' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> ( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> * > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> ' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> & > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> * > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> $ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> ( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> + > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> $ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> , > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> , > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  > Q <queue@continuum.net>  > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:31:49 GMT 5 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net> + Subject: Re: JF Mezei Get Rich Quick Scheme C Message-ID: <9wjxb.21784$Rk5.1605@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>    futureworlds wrote:     D > Get a few thousand t-shirts printed up saying "JF Mezei Trolled My
 Newsgroup And I > All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt".  Sell them for $19.95 (get them made  cheap inB > some shithole like Malaysia or China or Montreal).  With as many
 newsgroups as 1 > this motherfucker trolls you'll make a fortune!  > L > For added appeal, print a different one of his many trolling aliases below onK > each shirt, or one of his favorite sayings, like "Cars Are Evil" or "Bush  Is A/ > Dictator" or "The USA Is A Police State" etc.     ) "ALL Americans get their Nooze from CNN!"   A Of course, I'd like one with JF's *most* retarded mis - spelling:  "Nop".....<laffin'>......    --   Best Greg lol....    & > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>+ > Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>  > nobody <nobody@nobody.com>( > Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> $ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> * > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> ' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> # > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> % > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org> " > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> & > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> # > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org> " > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> ' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> ( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> ' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> ( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> * > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> ' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> & > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> * > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> $ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> ( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> + > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> $ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> , > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> , > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  > Q <queue@continuum.net>  > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:48:13 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> + Subject: Re: JF Mezei Get Rich Quick Scheme0; Message-ID: <54e444a4155f4053f5f7aca27cd62299@mixmaster.it>e  4 Gregory Morrow <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net> wrote:   >t >futureworlds wrote: >s >aE >> Get a few thousand t-shirts printed up saying "JF Mezei Trolled Myf >Newsgroup AndJ >> All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt".  Sell them for $19.95 (get them made	 >cheap inAC >> some shithole like Malaysia or China or Montreal).  With as manyu >newsgroups as2 >> this motherfucker trolls you'll make a fortune! >>M >> For added appeal, print a different one of his many trolling aliases belowu >onAL >> each shirt, or one of his favorite sayings, like "Cars Are Evil" or "Bush >Is Ao0 >> Dictator" or "The USA Is A Police State" etc. >o >o* >"ALL Americans get their Nooze from CNN!" > B >Of course, I'd like one with JF's *most* retarded mis - spelling: >"Nop".....<laffin'>......    And who can forget "revenus"....  G What a retard!  Did you notice he's been using a spell checker since hee7 returned, to try to hide his identity?  As if he could!    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:48:36 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>XI Subject: Re: Melbourne Australia: VAX 6000 + HSC + SA + cables available.dI Message-ID: <EVpxb.70821$X2W1.25895@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  H Not interested in purchasing anything or selling anything to you or your9 corporation but have a couple of questions none-the-less.u  G 1) Has all this equipment been in storage for a while or has it been in- production use?e  L 2) If it was in production, what is the organization doing about replacementD hardware - are they staying with VAX or Alpha, or are they switching vendors?   Hope you don't mind.....        ( Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart wrote: > Greetings Gentlepeople,e >r6 > I've been offered a stack of potential VAX discards.( >                              =========- > Permission has to be sought for some items.a4 > NB. I've given contact details to a dealer friend. > 5 > They are located in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.D5 > If not taken, they will be junked before Christmas.c >g > From my notes:& > - VAX 7360 (Numeric dyslexia, 7630?) > - VAXEN 6610 x 3, 6520, 6310! > - 3 x SAs (ESE50, RA72s, RA90s)e > - Star Coupler x 5 > - TZ875, TZ87s, TA79 > - HSC70 x 3, HSC40 > - SZ12 x lotsv! > - DS2100(s), DS3100(s), VS3100s0$ > - Spare fans, power supplies, etc. > - Bulk SDI and CI cables.  >A8 > If I can't resist, I'm liable to hire a 3 tonne truck. > > > If you reply, remove the four 'x's from the posting address. >  > Regards, Andy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:52:05 -0500 1 From: "Dimitris Kiamilis" <kiamilis@videotron.ca>E4 Subject: Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder5 Message-ID: <%doxb.834$Kg3.99113@weber.videotron.net>    > >>>t > >>>Jean-Francois Mezei > >>>86 Harwood Gate > >>>Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3 > >>>e > G > You sure?  Any Canadian knows that postal codes have a space in them.mJ > Also, Canadians know that the official abbreviation of Quebec is PQ, andH > not QC.  QC is the American abbreviation.  Besides, it's doubtful thatG > JF is his identity.  It's probably the identity of some friend of histG > that he doesn't like anymore.  That phone number should be called andi* > atuhorities warned of the possible risk. >- > AD  L The Official quebec designation is QC, postal code is still valid whether or' not it is joined, the address is valid.oL I'm sure you are correct on the identity. I made the same assumtion that the! identity is of a person he hates.aF I doubt he is any threat. Likely he's all talk and no action who hides behind a monitor.sH That number shouldn't be called, but chances are that some who read thisI thread will call that number thinking it is his number and god knows whatt, they will tell the person on the other line.  J The real victim will be the person at the other end of the line who likely will be harassed for nothing.u2 I think this mentally unbalanced person succeeded.  8 Lets just hope this person didn't cause too much damage.   DK   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:24:11 GMT 1 From: "  Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> 4 Subject: Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality DisorderK Message-ID: <vGoxb.71400$Fv8.55218@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>h  < "Dimitris Kiamilis" <kiamilis@videotron.ca> wrote in message/ news:%doxb.834$Kg3.99113@weber.videotron.net...; > > >>>e >lJ > That number shouldn't be called, but chances are that some who read thisK > thread will call that number thinking it is his number and god knows whatl. > they will tell the person on the other line. >eL > The real victim will be the person at the other end of the line who likely >sK The pattern of the person who made this post, it would be JF's phone number-H as it fits the pattern of abuse that this attacker uses. I did a reverse  lookup, and have confirmed this.  F Based on this I am convinced that the person who posted this is in the Ottawa area.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:24:25 +01008 From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>) Subject: Re: NTP build procedure for VMS?s2 Message-ID: <bq4962$41n$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Richard B. Gilbert wrote: I > I'm running VMS V6.2-1H3 and DEC TCPIP Services (UCX) V4.2 ECO Level 5  G > on three DEC Alphas.  I can't upgrade because I have to run software d0 > that is not supported at more recent versions. > I > The NTP implementation in UCX 4.2 appears seriously broken; one of the  G > three clocks loses about 15 seconds a week!  The other two only lose r" > three or four seconds a week.     L This only shows that NTP is *not* setting your system clock! There are some L articles in the VMS FAQ and/or Ask the Wizard on the HP VMS web site how to H configure your system in such a way that NTP will set your system clock.  P I'm not sure about UCX 4.2, but if I'm not mistaken there could be some info in    NTP config template as well.    + > In addition, there are no utilities such  I > as ntpq, ntpdc, or ntpdate.  I do have four systems running  VMS 7.2-1 eJ > and TCPIP Services 5.1 that are working just fine in spite of a path to G > the internet that runs from New Jersey to Missouri, to Massachusetts i2 > before ever getting near an internet NTP server. > D > I'd like to try a later version of NTP.  I've downloaded the V4.2 F > distribution but although the documentation mentions VMS, the build K > seems to require Unix tools (configure, etc.) that are not available for MJ > VMS.  I do have a version of "make" that runs on VMS but  I don't think D > it understands the syntax of the make.in and make.am files in the  > distribution.  > > > Does anyone have a script or directions to build it by hand?	 > Thanks,c >  > Richard Gilbertd >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:24:15 -0000k- From: "Paul Blay" <ranma@saotome.demon.co.uk>1) Subject: OT Re: bin Laden  strikes again!e4 Message-ID: <bq54t5$5kd$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>   *follow-ups trimmed*   "Dimitris Kiamilis" wrote ...= > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagei > >1; > > Try the BBC, and if that is no go, search commondreams,E > >D  > > http://www.commondreams.org/ > > M > That side is not a news site, but more of a collection of biased views. Try  > world newspapers.T3 ... for a different collections of of biased views.   C The status of the commondreams is neither here nor there anyway as =! a search revealed no such survey.=  ) After much Googling I found the followinge+ http://beachestoronto.com/vote/results.htmlh2 where Bush did win with an actual 153 votes. W00t!  H So, if you live in the Toronto beach area expect your oppressive regime G to be thrown out as soon as GW gets down to your position on the list. =  E I have to say I have some slight doubts about the technical accuracy n- and fairness of the survey - in part because o' 40 + 13 + 153 + 23 + 8 apparently = 93.e  @ If anybody has a better survey than this let me know, or don't, ) because frankly I could hardly care less.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:49:20 -0500e< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>N Subject: Re: OT: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests): Message-ID: <bq5hfu$1v3t1o$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Didier Morandi wrote:3 >...7 > I went to my Harraps and found that Thanksgiving is a  national< > holiday in the USA and Canada. I thought it was on the 4th of July,7 > the Independence Day. You have more than one national  holiday? Weo >...  8 In Canada we observe Thanksgiving on the third Monday of: October. Canada's birthday is July 1st. Our other national
 holidays are;O     New Years Day, January 1     Easter Friday, varieso;     Victoria Day (aka May 24 long weekend), third Monday in  Maye)     Labour Day, first Monday in Septembert     Christmas Day, December 25     Boxing Day, December 26v  > Some companies also treat Easter Sunday, Easter Monday, and/or< Remembrance Day (November 11) as holidays. Depending on what< province you live in there may be other holidays in addition to the national holidays.    -- r Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.cag   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:38:59 GMTe5 From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net>a4 Subject: Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF MezeiC Message-ID: <TCjxb.21787$Rk5.2799@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>u   George Orwell wrote:  E > JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> the big crybaby donned his diapers and  trolled for  > pity:t >sK > >Can anyone point me to the procedures to start a UDP against 2 domains ?3& > >(dizum and the gilgamesh domains) ? > L > Actually, that should be a UDP against sympatico.ca and bellglobal.com for6 > allowing you to troll endlessly for years and years. >HI > >They are accomplices to continued slander and impersonation against meu andsK > >many others, their headers direct abuse complaints to some US universityp thatH > >has nothing to do with their service and the list of bad behaviour on theire > >part goes on and on and on. >hJ > Which is nothing compared to the thousands upon thousands of troll posts you'veK > made to numerous groups under your own name as well as some "interesting" , > aliases, a few of which are sampled below. >  > >Enough is enough. >rJ > Indeed, enough is enough, pack up your marbles and go home, everybody is on to1F > you and your little temper tantrum and pity party because a group of peopleL > finally got fed up with your YEARS of TROLLING and decided to do something	 about it.     I Lol...even ellenspamfree@last knew when to give it a rest, fer cryin' outr
 loud...!!!      5 > Now, please do us all a favor and FUCK OFF AND DIE!1 >5L > Some of Mr. Mezei's trolling identities, used mostly on rec.travel.air andK > sci.space.shuttle, easily verifiable by comparing headers and by checking5 his ( > posting history on groups.google.com : >e& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>+ > Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>t > nobody <nobody@nobody.com>( > Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>c$ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>s$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>o) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>s* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>P) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>o' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>e > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>O# > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>)% > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>t" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>'& > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>-# > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>:" > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>t' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>,& > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>c( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>6' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> ( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>p) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>e* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>t) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>a' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>f& > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>a* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> $ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>d( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>_+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>"$ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> , > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> , > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>i > Q <queue@continuum.net>H > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>v >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:01:08 GMTr From: "None" <none@nospam.org>4 Subject: Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF MezeiC Message-ID: <oAmxb.19203$sb4.2252@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>0  @ "Gregory Morrow" <gregory.morrow@earthlink.net> wrote in message= news:TCjxb.21787$Rk5.2799@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...r      2 You're a wankstain!   Stop skipping your meds!!!!!   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:49:12 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it>a4 Subject: Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei; Message-ID: <c2264f58fda9bfd6244185c0f32676d0@mixmaster.it>n  9 JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> whined, moaned, and groaned:E  O >One more thing: do you agree that one of my posts here yesterday would have beSI >taken , twisted into a slander, and then cross posted anonymously to allGN >newsgroups I participate in, and newsgroups where I stopped participating due' >to excessive trolling by that person ?e  * <snip rest of kook's self-serving garbage>  M Give it up Mezei, you're not dealing with fools like yourself.  Even the most O cursory google check on you shows you are a severely disturbed psychopath.  NotrN only have you been trolling numerous newsgroups for DECADES (that alone is badH enough) but anyone who trolls women's pregnancy groups with inflammatoryL circumcision troll bait is hardly going to get any support except from other$ disturbed psychopaths like yourself.  M Do you really think these sys admins haven't seen the likes of you before (at  least a million times)?   H The fact that after you've been run out of various groups by the seriousM participants for your relentless trolling for years and years on end you camecO back camouflaged under the following identities shows that you have no remorse,vM and worse still, no notion of right or wrong, or what is appropriate behaviora9 for an adult, which by definition makes you a psychopath:h  $ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>r Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>t" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>o' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>r" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>$' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>y( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>m' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>p% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>' Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>s# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>t  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>m$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>e! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>:% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>!$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>t& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>u% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>u& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>t( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>l' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>A% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>m$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>a" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>e& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>o) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>d' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>l" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>s* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>t* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>e Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>f   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:19:25 +0100 (CET)t) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it>p4 Subject: Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei; Message-ID: <ebde54c059e545c444acc6e0e1e5cee1@mixmaster.it>d  # JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> wrote:    <snip tons of raw sewage>k  N >If frog or duzum do not generate these messages, they are accomplices to suchM >messages. Since they are the only identifiable parties to those crimes, then1! >they are to be held responsible.i  I Give it up, Mezei.  Who do you think you are dealing with?  These are notcJ amateurs like you, wannabe geeks sitting in some dark basement in Montreal typing with one hand.L  O Do you honestly think they haven't run a google on you and discovered you are aI psychopath?a  L Any person trolling with the following aliases is hardly going to garner any" support (except from other kooks):  $ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>I nobody <nobody@nobody.com>& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>p Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>o" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>v" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>s' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>E Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>n! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>n# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>0  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>n Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>d$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>_! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>x  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>h$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>_& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>l' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>S$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>s( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>k" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>3& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>m) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>g' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>n" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>b* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>a* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>o Q <queue@continuum.net>- Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:55:01 +0000-* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>N Subject: Re: Straw poll time: anyone clustering Alpha 6.2-1H3 and Alpha 7.3-1?' Message-ID: <bq5dod$3jb$1@lore.csc.com>r   konabear wrote:s > M > First, HP recognizes two levels of cluster support WARRANTED and MIGRATION.n ...i > J > So 6.2-1h3 would not enjoy even migration support. So it's really in the! > realm of, "you're on your own."M > L > That and there were some important changes made between 6.2 and 7.3-1.  IfM > it is to work at all you'll want to be sure your 6.2 cluster patches are in-$ > place especially: ALPCLUSIO01_062. > @ > Would I run a production cluster in such a configuration?  NO.  G Paul and Todd, thank you for the responses. For what it's worth I did a2F little testing, and on the face of it, I've not seen any problems, butD that is not to say there aren't any. I've a limited test scenario (I? mangled and swapped the CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE to bring not normally E clustered members together) but I'd hardly call it a production test.o  G I'm with you guys, but you know what users are like, they want the moonc on a stick.    :-)b   -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesy nclews at csc dot comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:20:18 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>iB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <bq54nj$ov1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:27:19 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:8 >>Well assuming the first part of your statement is true& >>Namely that SPARC has dropped behind= >>You still need to show that Sun has allowed that to happen.a >>@ >>Since you can't show that, the whole basis if your argument isD >>somewhat flawed, but then you must be bright enough to know that ! >  > K > In this instance, my argument doesn't hinge on the absolute fact of Sun'saF > performance.  Note that I am responding to Mr. Todd.  I am trying toM > understand the logic behind two different opinions I've seen come from him,gL > namely:  a) DEC/CPQ/HPQ is bad because they decided to not invest in alphaK > to allow it to keep up, and b) Sun is not bad, even though it has decidedo$ > not to invest in Sparc to keep up. >    Let me remind you of the facts.r  > Compaqs plan of record for Alpha was to continue to develop it> and right up to the days preceeding the announcement of AlphasB demise Compaq sales and technical people were giving presentations= to customers under NDA that included 25 year life projectionsl for Alpha and of course EV8.  < When HP announced their strategy for Alpha they axed EV8 but committed to develop EV79.  ? So not only did Compaq and HP decide not to invest in Alpha buty? they also mislead their customers about their actual intentionsu for the processor family.   @ There are no parallels here between Alpha and SPARC and there isF no point in trying to pretend that there is, it is simply an attempted: diversion on your part and a very transparent one at thet.    : >>So explain how AMD differs from Itanium in this respect. >  > L > Well, that's not entirely true of IA64 systems now is it?  And the vendorsL > involved with the Intel CPU have a track record of high-end systems (e.g.,L > PA-RISC and Alpha from an HP perspective).  At least some of these vendorsJ > are known for providing excellent chipsets for servers using Intel chipsC > that allow those CPUs to be utilized in higher-end systems today.a >   ; So do Cray, IBM and Sun so there is no difference is there.g   > K >>>And, to date, it's not clear how well Opteron will be able to perform in>K >>>the multi-processor space that competes with other server class systems.rK >>>I'm not saying that it will fail, but there's no way to discuss relativenK >>>capabilities because they don't much exist today.  They may have to makelJ >>>trade-offs in the system design that inhibit it's competing well in the; >>>over-4-processor market.  We just really don't know yet.  >>>l >>: >>So explain how AMD differs from Itanium in this respect. >> >  > L > Superdome.  It may not be the top performer, but it's a real-world system,@ > high-end, and to date AMD does not have anthing to counter it. >   G Humm TPC-C has never passed muster as an example of a real-world systemnH and to be brutally blunt SuperDome/IA64 hardly qualifies as a real worldF system at this point because of its tiny available software portfolio.  E Real-world systems run apps, there arn't any for IA64 ergo it isn't an real-world system.   regardse Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:45:27 +0000-O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>oB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <bq566n$pfn$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:a > In article <O-CdncZiT_qCUF6i4p2dnA@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > : >>"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message  F > 	Per processor tpmC performance?  Come on, you're not going to startG > 	talking about SpecInt per MHz are you?  Wouldn't the best comparisonfA > 	be total tpmC performance and $/tpmC?  After all, that is what @ > 	the TPC council touts.  Or realworld, if you have budget, youE > 	can buy the 4 CPU power or 4 CPU SPARC and associated DB licenses,A > 	what to choose?  Simple.A >   ; Rob your old spinmeister don't you have any recollection at 9 all of slagging Sun off because in your opinion customers 6 would need more SPARC CPU's to get the same throughput1 as an AlphaServer with a smaller number of CPU's.r  6 It wasn't actaully true for a lot of benchmarks but it* was a very very familiar refrain from you.  4 And now when someone uses the same argument you used4 against you, you kick up a fuss how enormously funny and predictable.  8 What a remarkable peice of spin, you arn't having a good week/month/year/decade are you.a  9 What I cannot work out is how you keep coming up with newi: limbs to shoot, are you part of some organ cloning trial ?   regardst Andrew harrisong   (Loads of Spin deleted)d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:16:05 +0000FO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>tB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <bq5f15$sdu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <bpvb4s$mo4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >  > @ >>>	Which IA64 processor?  There are a number of them, they have@ >>>	an IA64 processor that consumes far less than 130 Watts.  InD >>>	fact, they have an IA64 processor that consumes somewhere aroundA >>>	62 Watts and outperforms any SPARC processor.  But why should B >>>	power consumption be a metric for something other than density >>>	oriented boxes?< >>>. >>A >>You are as always promoting a product that you cannot currentlyu< >>buy Deerfield and one that has very uncertain performance. >> >  > > > 	You can buy it.  Dell is selling it.  Is there a SPARC that> > 	outpeforms it?  There might be a metric, but we'll probably > 	never know. >   = There is a bit of a difference between selling and being ablekA to deliver which you as a long term Digital/Comap Now HP customerl must be only too aware of.  > HP are selling a LV Itanium 2 workstation its just that if you? try to order it you cannot get a delivery date. Perhaps it wills& be available after the christmas rush.  : And we can have a fairly good guess at how fast LV Itanium7 is because its a LV madison core running at 1Ghz with ai7 1.5 MB cache and we have results for Madison at 1.4 Ghzy with a 1.5 MB cache.  0 LV Itanium 588 SPECint slower than USIIIi at 7021 LV Itanium 1031 SPECfp slower than USIIIi at 1054>  . Incedentally the price of the LV configuration2 was $13,564 the price of the Sun USIIIi system was $8919.   > C >>Who knows what reducing the clock speed and the onchip cache size.? >>will have on performance but one can only assume that it will ? >>not improve it leaving Deefield competing against much faster@) >>and cheaper IA-32 and AMD x86-64 CPU's.o >  > < > 	Now we turn our attention to x86.  I certainly didn't sayC > 	it outperforms an x86.  But now we see the not so subtle spinola.G > 	from the spin champion.  While highlighting sucky SPARC performance,<= > 	quick as a bunny we are attempting to steer the discussionn& > 	in a much more palatable direction. >     : Well by now you will have read the first set of paragraphs7 and you will have realised that yet again you have beenn6 spouting BS because of course you will have discovered! that SPARC is cheaper and faster.<  7 But Intels problem isn't SPARC, get real Itanium barelyp> registers in the 64 bit market, Itaniums problem is x86-64 and? IA32. What do you honestly think that the bulk of the customersmF buying Itanium so far for compute farms would have bought and most are& still buying if Itanium wasn't around.  : Guesses on the back of a postcard but don't include SPARC.   Regardst Andrew Harrison : (A whole load of BS about Itanium Futures from Rob snipped to save robs embarassment).p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:08:10 +0100 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>   Subject: Template-Toolkit on VMS/ Message-ID: <bq57hh$i34$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>k   Hi all,!  0 Does anybody use (port) TemplateToolkit on VMS ?   Robert   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2003 10:26:47 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)cJ Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests)- Message-ID: <sArRJBqVJD1H@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>e  5 In article <3fc63e2a$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, a(     Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:   > P > I went to my Harraps and found that Thanksgiving is a national holiday in the  > USA and Canada.e  O    Of course in Canada we celebrate Thanksgiving on the proper day ( 2nd Monday O in October), something the US calls "Columbus Day". I've never quite understoodrK why the US celebrates an Italian sailor who helped the Spanish conquer some8 Caribbean islands :-)o  O    I do like the US idea of having Thanksgiving on a Thursday though, lets lotsy- of people rationalize taking a 4 day weekend.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:10:03 +0100g" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>F Subject: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests)4 Message-ID: <3fc63e2a$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:i  P > Perhaps not the same program you are using, but not bad for a "free" machine. < > How much did the EVO and CHARON-VAX/XM Plus V2.0 cost?	:-)   www.futurevax.coml  M > [OT] I'm off to enjoy Thanksgiving today.  Is there a similar holiday (at as! > different time of year) in .FR?g  N I went to my Harraps and found that Thanksgiving is a national holiday in the O USA and Canada. I thought it was on the 4th of July, the Independence Day. You  L have more than one national holiday? We have only one, on the 14th of July, O which is actually for the Christians not a celebration day at all as it is the 8M anniversary of the French Revolution, when thousand of religious were killed.1   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:24:15 +0100f" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: VEST bug 4 Message-ID: <3fc5d0f8$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  R I VESTed a VAX/VMS 7.1 WHETSTONE exec then run it on my Alpha 7.3-1, but got this:     DTL02> r WHETSTONE_5K_VAX_TV5   %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DECC$SHR_TVM'   -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not founde6   DTL02$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DECC$SHR_TV.EXE;    C   So, I got the shareable image from the VAX via FTP and VESTed it.,   Then I got that:     DTL02> vest DECC$SHR.EXEB   %VEST-W-WRITECF4, Routine writes the return PC in its call frame-            At:    DECC$VFORK+87C3A (0008850A)P)            Input: MOVAB  B00088519,10(FP)vC   %VEST-W-ILLOPSPEC, Illegal operand specifier in instruction MULF2b4    -- will be interpreted and will fault if executed%            At:    00028858 (00028858)s             Input: MULF2  R3[R9],C   %VEST-W-ILLOPSPEC, Illegal operand specifier in instruction ADDW2n4    -- will be interpreted and will fault if executed%            At:    00000003 (00000003) *            Input: ADDW2  S^#07,S^#00 *bad*A   %VEST-W-INSTRMID, Branch target at 00000001 overlaps previouslya=   found code so it won't be translated -- use HIF to overridew&            At:    decc$main (00000000)!            Input: JMP    0007A0ACaC   %VEST-I-SHAREABLE, Input is a shareable image -- writing IIF filei#   SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECC$SHR.IIF;yB   %VEST-W-TRANSWARN, Translation completed with warnings -- review$   them before using the output image  ) Where can I find support on VEST, please?  Thanks for your help.n   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2003 10:05:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-G Subject: Re: VEST bug (or VEST feature, depending on one's perspective)t3 Message-ID: <N4ewdDo5Astf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <3fc5d0f8$0$27031$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:cT > I VESTed a VAX/VMS 7.1 WHETSTONE exec then run it on my Alpha 7.3-1, but got this: >   >   DTL02> r WHETSTONE_5K_VAX_TV7 >   %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DECC$SHR_TVa) >   -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not founda8 >   DTL02$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DECC$SHR_TV.EXE; >  > E >   So, I got the shareable image from the VAX via FTP and VESTed it.b >   Then I got that: >  >   DTL02> vest DECC$SHR.EXED >   %VEST-W-WRITECF4, Routine writes the return PC in its call frame/ >            At:    DECC$VFORK+87C3A (0008850A)i+ >            Input: MOVAB  B00088519,10(FP) E >   %VEST-W-ILLOPSPEC, Illegal operand specifier in instruction MULF2o6 >    -- will be interpreted and will fault if executed' >            At:    00028858 (00028858)0" >            Input: MULF2  R3[R9],E >   %VEST-W-ILLOPSPEC, Illegal operand specifier in instruction ADDW246 >    -- will be interpreted and will fault if executed' >            At:    00000003 (00000003)D, >            Input: ADDW2  S^#07,S^#00 *bad*C >   %VEST-W-INSTRMID, Branch target at 00000001 overlaps previouslyd? >   found code so it won't be translated -- use HIF to override ( >            At:    decc$main (00000000)# >            Input: JMP    0007A0ACsE >   %VEST-I-SHAREABLE, Input is a shareable image -- writing IIF filef% >   SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECC$SHR.IIF;wD >   %VEST-W-TRANSWARN, Translation completed with warnings -- review& >   them before using the output image  6 What makes you think any of those messages are wrong ?  + > Where can I find support on VEST, please?   G Have you read the documentation and created the Hints files correctly ?n  E In particular, if those are data areas VEST will issue those messagest5 until you have properly constructed your hints files.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:55:13 +0100n" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>G Subject: Re: VEST bug (or VEST feature, depending on one's perspective) 4 Message-ID: <3fc63ab1$0$27026$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  8 > What makes you think any of those messages are wrong ?  D Wrong? Who said so? The question is: "why do I have these messages".  I > Have you read the documentation and created the Hints files correctly ?hG > In particular, if those are data areas VEST will issue those messagest7 > until you have properly constructed your hints files.   P I did not read the doc. I thought VEST will translate or not translate. I never . heard of the HINTS files. I will read the doc.  
 Thank you.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:49:29 +0800s, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: VMS Defragmentation Software$- Message-ID: <874qwp24mu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>m  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:a  
 > Hein wrote:.  o >> konabear wrote:  gD >> > fragmentation can hurt.  Why?  Anything that may use a spinlock@ >> > or be funneled through a single CPU can be a concern.  So IA >> > rephrase, fragmentation itself isn't such a big problem, butl >> > split I/Os can be.   D >> > Also I'll agree with some things already said.  Fragmented freeA >> > space can be an issue.  Already mentioned are directory filec >> > expansion issues.  o> >> Serendipity perhaps... This morning I happened to answer an> >> internal question in similar space. That question was about? >> 'defragmenting EVA vritual disk'.  (DTL: In the the good oldeD >> VMSnotes, volume 12, topic 7000+ :-).  It echos much of what Todd	 >> wrote.=  A When I last looked at the QIO code, a LONG time ago, I noted thataF split IOs could end up serializing. IE subIO n would not *start* until< n-m had finished. Is this still happening? If so, under what3 conditions? (byte quota was a biggy here I *think*)   = > Let me try this question, if for no other reason than to be,6 > something besides the kiddies and their trollery....  E > How goofy would this be: intentionally map an indexed file in threec; > areas on three separate volumes of a shadowed volume-set?$  F > That is: given DSA10 = RVN 1, DSA11 = RVN 2 and DSA12 = RVN 3, couldB > you intentionally build an indexed file with, for example, indexD > areas on volumes 1 and 2, and data area on volume 3? (Volume sizes! > are separate issue, of course.)r  . Carfull David, or you will invent RMS areas :)   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:19:47 +0100a" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: vms to alphay4 Message-ID: <3fc5c1db$0$27050$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  J This is a commercial request, so I'll answer privately if you do not mind.   D.   tutor@nospam.cfl.rr.com wrote:   > where, other than hp/compaq-G > will i find a migration plan to move from vms to alpha - with specialy > emphasis on cobol?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:56:21 -0500e2 From: "James Anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net>! Subject: Re: Who is Alan Erskine?t, Message-ID: <bq47dp$8t5$1@news3.infoave.net>  / The above message as been forwarded to Spamcop.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:26:47 GMT 1 From: "  Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> ! Subject: Re: Who is Alan Erskine?PK Message-ID: <XIoxb.71413$Fv8.61568@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>l  = "James Anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in messages& news:bq477u$9bd$1@news3.infoave.net...1 > The above message as been forwarded to Spamcop.l >t< Why not the Better Business Bureau, Spamcop can't do a thing   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:27:15 GMTn1 From: "  Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX>o! Subject: Re: Who is Alan Erskine?sK Message-ID: <nJoxb.71416$Fv8.22226@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>r  = "James Anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in messageo& news:bq47dp$8t5$1@news3.infoave.net...1 > The above message as been forwarded to Spamcop.  >   zzzzzzzzzzzzz re-runs already???   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:16:02 +0100w" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>) Subject: Re: Why PERL on VMS? We have DCLv4 Message-ID: <3fc5c0fb$0$27032$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Craig A. Berry wrote:    ../..oC > Not to mention Perl has tied hashes, anonymous hashes, arrays of  I > hashes, hashes of arrays, hashes of references to other hashes, hashes .& > of subroutine references, and so on.  $ Did you watch Forrest Gump recently? :-)t   D. -- pN     Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News  | mirrors   | downloadsJ   www.openvms.org/dmorandi/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en USA        n/aI www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en Europe    2716uI www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf   fr Europe     535 I www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310en.pdf   en Europe     377wI www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdf   fr Europe     148c  ;                   Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.coms;                   (number of visits, en : 2841 - fr : 2424)u  I    didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HP>E        Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationoI    Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287oF      SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:55:27 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>I) Subject: Re: Why PERL on VMS? We have DCLpH Message-ID: <30qxb.70883$X2W1.1985@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Rob Young wrote:? > In article <a98cd882.0311260350.13e3f134@posting.google.com>,a) > Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:mF >> Perl can do things with far less statements than would be needed inH >> DCL. But only the person who wrote the code understands what is goingH >> on, and don't ask him/her two months later. And why limit yourself toH >> Perl? You can use (g)awk or phyton or whatever is the language of the >> day.@ >>G >> Sometimes it seems to me that readability and maintainability are noiG >> longer a design consideration for software. If it works, fine. If it.. >> doesn't, also fine, and start from scratch. >> >sA > This could easily turn into a massive flame-fest, BUT anyhow...t > ? > Perl is massive and like any toolkit takes a while to come up>: > to speed.  Comparing and contrasting just ONE feature...B > I can read an entire file into an array in PERL in one line.  ItA > takes more than that in DCL (and I am being very cheeky).  Perlr9 > is a good tool but is admittedly very cryptic at times.t >l1 > Mentioned elsewhere - Python is very cool.  Butm; > never got past the poking and prodding stage with Python.c    G Hey, what about APL??  Now that's a *real* programming language, and asmI cryptic as you want to get - at one point in time I used to write code inFF APL that I couldn't decipher a month later, but it worked nonetheless.  H DEC used to have a good APL interpreter for VMS as did STSC/Manugistics.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:09:08 -0500e< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Wildcard searchingg: Message-ID: <bq57j8$1tr68j$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:.> > I'd like to provide a function to do wildcard searches which returns<" > the position inside that buffer.  9 So you want to find "choco*ta" in the string "She ate theo whole chocolate cake!"  > Not knowing much about C, there are two options I can think of are;: 1. Roll your own using str$match_wild, something like this pseudo code;>      search_string = search_string & "*" ! Append the wildcard to make it easiero9      for i = 1 to len(target_string) - len(search_string)-             tmp_target_string =2" target_string(i:len(target_string)             status =0 str$match_wild(temp_target_string,search_string)>             if status = str$_match then "found it at position" & it	      nexto 2. Callable TPUr   -- w Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.7 Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXl www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:26:16 +0100-) From: Roland Barmettler <itsme@127.0.0.1> 3 Subject: Re: [OT] Mac OS X: system folder not foundt5 Message-ID: <20031127102616.28f40e56.itsme@127.0.0.1>i  6 healyzh@aracnet.com wrote on 22 Nov 2003 05:06:26 GMT: > G > Interesting....  Where is this documented?  This might be better thanr4 > using.Xmodmap to remap the keyboard for X-Windows.  C Well, I didn't really find it documented, just noted the new windowt, options and played with them a little... ;-)= If it's really better than using .Xmodmap I can't say so far.x   Cheers, Roland   -- 3rd Law of Computing:t         Anything that can go wr   Segmentation fault (core dumped)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.658 ************************a severely disturbed psychopath.  NotrN only have you been trolling numerous newsgroups for DECADES (that alone is badH enough) but anyone who trolls women's pregnancy groups with inflammatoryL circumcision troll bait is hardly going to get any support except from
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