1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 28 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 660       Contents:8 Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE# defining SYS$OUTPUT for BACKUP/LIST ' Re: defining SYS$OUTPUT for BACKUP/LIST ' Re: defining SYS$OUTPUT for BACKUP/LIST  erase on delete  Job Positions in London  Re: Job Positions in London  Re: Job Positions in London + Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder + Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder   Re: Openvms client for Netbackup  Re: Openvms client for Netbackup+ Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei ( recommendations for page/swap/dump files, Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files, Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files Re: SimH: no cluster connection 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday . UCX v5.3 eco 2 Telnet sessions not terminating  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:36:21 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>A Subject: Re: DCL Enhancements: Error messages for OPEN and DEFINE 0 Message-ID: <3FC7A3B4.28CF4B28@sture.homeip.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote: I > > CONTINUE didn't work when trying to restart command procedures at one 	 > > time.  > M > Is continue supposed to work for command procedures ? I thought it was only  > for images ?    5 What I thought too. However, HELP CONTINUE says this:    CONTINUE  @      Resumes execution of a DCL command, a program, or a commandA      procedure that was interrupted by pressing Ctrl/Y or Ctrl/C. C      You cannot resume execution of the image if you have entered a A      command that executes another image or if you have invoked a       command procedure.   0 The furthest I've been able to go back is V7.1.n$ Maybe in previous versions of VMS...  C > (obviously, if the command procedure is executing an image at the  > time of ctrl-y ....)  B Hmm. I've just tried that, displaying a counter and looping around/ DIR/DATE of a large directory (to slow it down)   F The value of the counter is preserved across CTRL-Y / CONTINUE events.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:06:25 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: defining SYS$OUTPUT for BACKUP/LIST$ Message-ID: <bq736h$m4b$1@online.de>  G Why does DEFINE/USER_MODE before BACKUP/LIST not work (i.e. if defined  H to a file output still goes to the screen) while DEFINE/SUPERVISOR does - work (with a subsequent DEASSIGN, of course).    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:23:44 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) 0 Subject: Re: defining SYS$OUTPUT for BACKUP/LISTL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2811030725140001@user-uinj0gb.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <bq736h$m4b$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   H >Why does DEFINE/USER_MODE before BACKUP/LIST not work (i.e. if defined I >to a file output still goes to the screen) while DEFINE/SUPERVISOR does  . >work (with a subsequent DEASSIGN, of course).  * Sounds like a bug (or feature?) in BACKUP.  ' But what's wrong with BACKUP/LIST=FOO ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:45:02 +0100 ) From: Michael Unger <unger@despammed.com> 0 Subject: Re: defining SYS$OUTPUT for BACKUP/LIST: Message-ID: <bq7k1m$200ngu$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  F On 2003-11-28 10:06, "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" wrote:  I > Why does DEFINE/USER_MODE before BACKUP/LIST not work (i.e. if defined  J > to a file output still goes to the screen) while DEFINE/SUPERVISOR does / > work (with a subsequent DEASSIGN, of course).   C Not a direct answer to your question, but why don't you use "BACKUP F /LIST=file-spec"? (It's not mentioned in the manual but I suspect that0 the default for the "file-spec" ist SYS$OUTPUT.)   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:03:03 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: erase on delete$ Message-ID: <bq7307$luk$1@online.de>  B I just checked to see if any of my disks have the erase-on-delete B attribute set.  One does.  The CD-ROM.  What sense does that make?  ; The reason I was checking is that HELP INIT/SHADOW mentions   E      Compaq strongly recommends that you use the /ERASE qualifier. By D      using the /ERASE qualifier, no merge operation is required when6      you create the shadow set with the MOUNT command.  D While this is true, in normal circumstances this should probably be 0 turned back off after the shadow set is created.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2003 03:18:38 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)  Subject: Job Positions in London= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0311280318.2aeae07f@posting.google.com>   6 There are three (03) new OpenVMS Positions ion London  at www.planetrecruit.com  1 Check and see...Next year I will go to Barcelona  ' to begin my job search personally ! :-)      www.planetrecruit.com     C VMS Technical Specialist required to join ITG Production department D for large investment bank in the city. Overall purpose of the job isC to provide production support services as required for VMS support. A Experience and skills required include systems management skills, E OpenVMS operating system experience(2yrs), OpenVMS 7.2-h1, Oracle 8i, C Weblogic 6i, Ingres II 2.0, DecNET OSI & phase IV, X25 GAP, TCP/IP, ; DCL script writing skills, DTCS, Netbackup, HP SAN and ACMS  administration      F System Manager with financial experience. You will be required to helpE build VMS systems and have a complete understanding of how the system @ works. Skills needed to carry out this role are, openVMS 7.2-h1,C openVMS 7.3, ingres II 2.0 administration, Alpha server technology, B DECnet, DCL script writing skills and some experience with HP SAN,E oracle 8i database administration, veritas netbackup and weblogic 6.1 F server. The primary function of this role will be to join the existing team and provide P      D Our client, a Financial company, requires a VMS Technical SpecialistC to provide production support services as required for VMS support. F You will have a minimum of 2 years experience of the OpenVMS operatingB system, strong Oracle 8i, WebLogic, Ingres II, DCL script writing,C Alpha server technology, DecNET OSI, X25 GAP, TCP/IP, Tibco, HP SAN A and Netbackup. It is essential that you can build VMS systems and @ completely understand how the system works. For more information please contact Darren Gidd   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:28:41 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) $ Subject: Re: Job Positions in LondonL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2811030730110001@user-uinj0gb.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <f30679fb.0311280318.2aeae07f@posting.google.com>, / fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote:   7 >There are three (03) new OpenVMS Positions ion London   >at www.planetrecruit.com   I Maybe things are done differently in London.  But if I saw those listings G for New York City, I would expect there's only ONE job, listed by three G different agencies.  And there would be a good chance that the employer H would NOT fill the position right away due to budget problems, delays in management approval, etc.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:27:32 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: Job Positions in London0 Message-ID: <3FC774FC.67883CE3@blueyonder.co.uk>   Robert Deininger wrote:  > ? > In article <f30679fb.0311280318.2aeae07f@posting.google.com>, 1 > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote:  > 8 > >There are three (03) new OpenVMS Positions ion London > >at www.planetrecruit.com  > K > Maybe things are done differently in London.  But if I saw those listings I > for New York City, I would expect there's only ONE job, listed by three I > different agencies.  And there would be a good chance that the employer J > would NOT fill the position right away due to budget problems, delays in > management approval, etc.   E yup, looks like that to me. Lots of mandatory and diverse skills too.  --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:48:58 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>4 Subject: Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder3 Message-ID: <M7Kxb.6167$G1.28800@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   I When you look in www.canada411.com you find there is indeed a J. Mezei at  this address and phone number.J It probably is the person whose that anonymous poster want to "play" with.I Unfortunately Mezei is not a very popular name in Montreal (or in Quebec) L and it`s easy enough to guess where the guy lives, from that listing (choiceL of exactly ONE). The annoying poster does not even need to know him, really,K as anyone who reads cov will know that JF is from Montreal as he mentionned  it several times.   J JF, you should have you number changed and unlisted if that really is you. And I believe it is.  G This is getting even more frustrating than spams and phone calls during 8 suppertime, from an air conditionner heat pump salesman.   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- E " Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> a crit dans le message de E news:vGoxb.71400$Fv8.55218@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > "Dimitris Kiamilis" <kiamilis@videotron.ca> wrote in message1 > news:%doxb.834$Kg3.99113@weber.videotron.net... 	 > > > >>>  > > L > > That number shouldn't be called, but chances are that some who read thisH > > thread will call that number thinking it is his number and god knows what0 > > they will tell the person on the other line. > > G > > The real victim will be the person at the other end of the line who  likely > > F > The pattern of the person who made this post, it would be JF's phone numberJ > as it fits the pattern of abuse that this attacker uses. I did a reverse" > lookup, and have confirmed this. > H > Based on this I am convinced that the person who posted this is in the > Ottawa area. >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:15:30 GMT 1 From: "  Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> 4 Subject: Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality DisorderG Message-ID: <CwKxb.13476$ZmO.8908@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message - news:M7Kxb.6167$G1.28800@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... K > When you look in www.canada411.com you find there is indeed a J. Mezei at   > this address and phone number.L > It probably is the person whose that anonymous poster want to "play" with.K > Unfortunately Mezei is not a very popular name in Montreal (or in Quebec) F > and it`s easy enough to guess where the guy lives, from that listing (choice F > of exactly ONE). The annoying poster does not even need to know him, really, B > as anyone who reads cov will know that JF is from Montreal as he
 mentionned > it several times.  > L > JF, you should have you number changed and unlisted if that really is you. > And I believe it is. > L I would be interested to know if JF worked in IT in Ottawa, or worked with a IT person from Ottawa.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:12:19 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: Openvms client for Netbackup ) Message-ID: <3FC6F541.508440A0@istop.com>    Michael wrote:5 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image UCX$CFS_SHR  > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file1 > DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]UCX$CFS_SHR.EXE;1 ; > -SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed   K It means that the startup procedure for the software failed in some way and L one of the files that needs to be "protected" wasn't installed. You may wishJ to search all the startup log files to see if there are any error messages associated with that file.  I When you install a shareable image, it essentially prevents a hacker from H overwriting the file with his own program. This is necessary if the mainE program is granted privileges which remain in effect when code in the M shareable image executes. So you have to make sure the shareable image can be N trusted. Installing does that because that step requires mega privileges which  are unavailable to normal users.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:13:50 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>) Subject: Re: Openvms client for Netbackup : Message-ID: <bq7onf$200lju$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Michael wrote:= > I hit a problem during installation of Openvms client. When  invoke2 >> show client, its show client is not responding. >...  7 If you are using Multinet then you need to use whatever = command Multinet uses that is equivalent to "ucx show service ! bpcd" not the ucx command itself.   < What happened when you did the @BPCD_SET_SERVICE.COM command$ which is supposed to do the same as;   $ MULTINET CONFIGURE/SERVER  ADD BPCD TCP  13782 $ SYS$SYSDEVICE:[BPCD]BPCD_STARTUP.COM SELECT BPCD  SET FLAG UCX_SERVER  SET USERNAME SYSTEM  SET MAX-SERVERS 50 WRITE  EXIT $    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:51:56 +0800 : From: "Nik" <spamavoid.deletethis.mnjensen@netvigator.com>4 Subject: Re: Procedure to get a UDP against JF Mezei0 Message-ID: <bq7gde$1214@imsp212.netvigator.com>  6 "George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in message5 news:c2264f58fda9bfd6244185c0f32676d0@mixmaster.it...  > @ > Give it up Mezei, you're not dealing with fools like yourself.  K No much much worse! A total insane complete stupid moron like yourself that C has no life. Can't you find somewhere else to live out your fascist B communist dream of control and degeneration of other human beings?   Nik    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:10:34 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: recommendations for page/swap/dump files $ Message-ID: <bq73e9$m4b$2@online.de>  H Presumably, these should be locally connected and not MSCP-served disks,I since that will a) be quicker and b) always be available, i.e. even when  " the node is not part of a cluster.  H Are single disks or shadow sets better?  Of course, if a disk goes bad, E then there is a problem, but if one only has secondary page and swap  I files on a dedicated disk, and minimal ones on the system disk, then one  I can still continue until the disk is replaced.  I'm thinking that with a  I shadow set, reads will be faster but writes will be slower and wondering  & how big a performance hit this can be.  F A related question: if disk SPACE is not an issue, is it still a good G idea to have the main swap/page files on a disk which is less "active"  < than the system disk (even if it is on the same controller)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:49:26 +0100 ) From: Michael Unger <unger@despammed.com> 5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files : Message-ID: <bq7k1n$200ngu$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  F On 2003-11-28 10:10, "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" wrote:   > [...]  > H > A related question: if disk SPACE is not an issue, is it still a good I > idea to have the main swap/page files on a disk which is less "active"  > > than the system disk (even if it is on the same controller)?  G That would be dependant on the disk IO and channel IO (troughput) rates A of course. I guess it would still be advantageous for a fast SCSI % adapter with multiple disks attached.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:10:36 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files 1 Message-ID: <03112808103655@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   J > Presumably, these should be locally connected and not MSCP-served disks,K > since that will a) be quicker and b) always be available, i.e. even when  $ > the node is not part of a cluster.  E Correct, performance and availability of the disk drives is an issue.   J > Are single disks or shadow sets better?  Of course, if a disk goes bad, G > then there is a problem, but if one only has secondary page and swap  K > files on a dedicated disk, and minimal ones on the system disk, then one  K > can still continue until the disk is replaced.  I'm thinking that with a  K > shadow set, reads will be faster but writes will be slower and wondering  ( > how big a performance hit this can be.  N A shadow set or RAID is always better thana single disk.  If the disk goes badK it is a big problem - your system crashes and the subsequent reboot will be ) mired with the problem of a crashed disk.   K Using a RAID 0+1 disk is faster with both READ and WRITES.  Not sure on the K Shadow Set - though I would assume at least better if not equal performance  than a single disk.   K Having your page/swap files on a dedicated disk is an excellent idea.  In a K StorageWorks type configuration it is easy to spread these files around and @ across multiple physicall (RAID sets) drives.  Best performance.  H > A related question: if disk SPACE is not an issue, is it still a good I > idea to have the main swap/page files on a disk which is less "active"  > > than the system disk (even if it is on the same controller)?  O Yes.  Moving everything possible off of the system disk will help and is a good  idea all around.  L One controller?  Is it one controller or controller pair?  Is it HSJ40 or anN HSG80?  Depends on your configuration.  If one controller, bad.  If controller? pair, good.  If HSJ40, less performance.  If HSG80, no problem.   D Does the controller have sufficient cache?  Redundant power?  etc...     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:24:58 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>( Subject: Re: SimH: no cluster connection0 Message-ID: <3FC77463.585487D8@blueyonder.co.uk>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > R > I have built a VMS Cluster and tried to have my SimH node join it (VAX/VMS 6.2).Q > I successfully created the SimH node as a Cluster member with LAN commectivity, R > but when it boots, the Connection Manager does not find my cluster (same number, > same pwd, same LAN). >  > Any idea?   F Sorry to join this thread late but you havn't posted a conclusion yet.  I I have sucessfully booted a cluster satellite on Simh running on W98 from * a cluster boot node running Simh on Linux.  9 Are you trying to run both nodes on the same Windows box?   A Its probably an issue with the packet capture library and network  configuration.  9 I keep meaning to try Simh with the tun package on linux.    Any more progress your end?    regards  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D.   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:15:40 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <bq83cc$qjn$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <bptesc$40i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote:  e > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=JNbGG0GqtEoe%40eisner.encompasserve.org&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain  > - > From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms $ > Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!" > Date: 10 Sep 2002 12:36:37 -0600 >  > D > 	Server margins will follow PC margins and there is ample evidence > 	that is so. > @ > 	In August 2001 Sun was trading near $20 a share.  Since then, > 	it is at $3 and change. > ' > 	Once again, in your attempt to spin:  >   6 ohhh dear ohhh dear ohhh dear. Where have you been for the last couple of years.   = Margins are down because there has been a fall in expenditure 9 in the server market as a whole. More people chasing less ) business always has an effect on margins.  > : >>Namely that low end PC's will squeeze Sun out of the low
 >>end market.  >  > A > 	I haven't promoted that.  I've promoted in general that server C > 	margins will slide and it will impact the big players most.  And C > 	Sun much more than others as Sun is basically a one-trick pony,   > 	hardware.   >  > 	That prediction came true.    >     0 Whats the title of this thread Rob ?????????????  0 Not the bightest and best example you could have; chosen Rob in this context, but then I guess you don't want  to buck a trend.    Ooops another failed prediction.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2003 03:55:29 -08006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)7 Subject: UCX v5.3 eco 2 Telnet sessions not terminating = Message-ID: <58ba0101.0311280355.7afaeca9@posting.google.com>    Hi,   D We have just upgraded our system to OpenVMS v7.3-1 with UCX v5.3 ecoE 2. We have many uses who log in via a terminal emulator using Telnet.   E We have noticed that if they do not use there session for a while the @ terminal emulator will disconnect from the server, but the theirE process is still active. What this means is that if they log in again - they will be told they already are logged in.   E We have to stop the process from the original log in to allow them to 
 log in again.   F I believe other sites have a similar problem, so I wondered if anybody* else has experienced this, and has a fix ?   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.660 ************************