1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 661       Contents:F -Re: Bush Stuns US Soldiers with Surprise Visit to Iraq {WAS-Re: Bahra A personal plea  Re: A personal plea  Re: A personal plea. Re: A personal plea. Re: Bill Jowett Death Penalty  Bug in DECwindows MAIL J F  M e z e i and Circumcision  Job in Savannah GA FYI( Latest list of JF Mezei trolling aliases+ Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder ) Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp E Re: OT: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests) E Re: OT: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests) 2 Re: UCX v5.3 eco 2 Telnet sessions not terminating VOTE JF MEZEI KOOK OF THE YEAR!  Will VMS run on one of these? ! Re: Will VMS run on one of these?   ~JF Mezei "Debates" Circumcision  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2003 00:37:07 +0100% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> O Subject: -Re: Bush Stuns US Soldiers with Surprise Visit to Iraq {WAS-Re: Bahra 8 Message-ID: <43b5d1ca805cb1e30920f8c1f89e62e1@dizum.com>   JF Mezei trolled:   * Message-ID: <3FC7C28E.11BB61EC@nobody.com>  From: nobody <nobody@nobody.com>* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0  Newsgroups: rec.travel.airI Subject: Re: Bush Stuns US Soldiers with Surprise Visit to Iraq {WAS-Re:  0  Bahrain-bound DHL plane hit by missile in Iraq}J References: <679wb.317919$0v4.18455435@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <bprg0m$qik$1@bob.news.rcn.net> = <hCfwb.104311$Ec1.4730900@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> P <Xns943D42EC25F2Bolive@216.196.97.132> <VojwPGA2X8w$Iw93@courtlands.demon.co.uk>M <Xns943F41F2C4D9rk@199.184.165.240> <VctwiBAKWIx$IwWy@courtlands.demon.co.uk> P <Xns943F525D0960Eolive@216.196.97.132> <o2wf4CA9rSx$IwTR@courtlands.demon.co.uk>N <gofig-C8C90A.13403427112003@news-60.giganews.com> <3FC6BDCB.D1D21EEE@Guy.com>, <vk1esv85f12hkclto1bvltnt3stk1l1og8@4ax.com>1 <vNDxb.26927$do4.7536@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com> * Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/8.5.4)	 Lines: 37 % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:48:02 -0500   NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.47.213# X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca I X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1070055941 64.230.47.213 (Fri, 28 Nov 2003 
 16:45:41 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:45:41 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico   mrtravel wrote: I > Despite my normally negative view of this president, I consider this to H > be a positive. It was great for moral. And given the attack on the DHLA > plan, a very surprising move to fly AF1 into and out of Baghdad  > International.  E Until I see pictures of the damaged DHL plane on the ground, I remain L unconvinced that this incident wasn't staged. The US regime was quick to useG the argument "they aren't firing against us anymore, they are firing at  civilians now" argument.  L The video footage release this week only shows a group of people launching aM missile with an unrecognizable target (just a grey dot on the sky). Funny how L quickly US authorities had dismissed shoulder fired missiles for TWA800, butK for this one, there was no question about capabilities of such a missile to 2 reach a plane so high it is just a dot in the sky.  L The picture showing flames burning behind wing could have been doctored by a1 teenager with photoshop. It isn't rocket science.   N This was all staged in my opinion. Remember that the regime will attempt to beK elected next november, I don't think this time around they can count on the C supreme court. So everything he does is for the election campaign.    K This was a great PR exercise, especially since it preempted the coverage of " Hilary's visit to forgotten Kabul.  N Consider that it isn't every day that a 747 lands at Bagdhad airport. ConsiderL that the military would have been on high alert. Consider that it is next toK impossible that the soldiers in the hangar, listening to Bremmer would have K have any surprise to see Bush come out behind the curtains, even though the J whole thing was staged to make it look like they had no clue he was there.  M AF1 may have been "invisible" in the sky, but once the thing lands, it cannot I be invisible. It would be most interesting to see how they managed to get J clearances though foreign airspace without controllers knowing who it was.8 Perhaps they disguised themselves as a transport plane ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:24:56 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: A personal plea) Message-ID: <3FC7BD26.2A6DC1A9@istop.com>   L Can you PLEASE leave these troll posts alone and ****NEVER**** reply to suchM posts. And especially ****NEVER EVER**** quote anything he says. Learn how to  show the full headers    L I am quite surprised that so many folks in this newsgroup, whom I would haveJ thought would have have much greater experience with newsgroups would haveK made such newbie mistakes. His posts may not go to google, but yours does.    K *MY* phone number has been unlisted for some time, and yes, I had to change K it. So please use your brain if you have any and consider what happens when C they use the phone number of someone else with my rare family name.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:10:46 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it>  Subject: Re: A personal plea; Message-ID: <0102d4debb5ac42354e30cc46c280013@mixmaster.it>   N JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> of 86 Harwood Gate Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3, phone# (514) 695-8259 ranted hysterically:   M >Can you PLEASE leave these troll posts alone and ****NEVER**** reply to such N >posts. And especially ****NEVER EVER**** quote anything he says. Learn how to: >show the full headers before acting on some strange post.  ) <circumcize rest of JF's hysterical rant>   N Bit of a contradiction there for you - on the one hand you have spent a DECADEN trolling countless newsgroups far and wide seeking attention and responses andM then on the other you are pleading for people not to respond to anything said = about you.  OOPS! - bit of a dilemma there for ya, ain't it?!   5 Some of JF's colorful trolling aliases used recently:    nobody <nobody@nobody.com>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2003 02:16:18 +0100% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: Re: A personal plea. 8 Message-ID: <0102d4debb5ac42354e30cc46c280013@dizum.com>  N JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> of 86 Harwood Gate Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3, phone# (514) 695-8259 ranted hysterically:   M >Can you PLEASE leave these troll posts alone and ****NEVER**** reply to such N >posts. And especially ****NEVER EVER**** quote anything he says. Learn how to: >show the full headers before acting on some strange post.  ) <circumcize rest of JF's hysterical rant>   N Bit of a contradiction there for you - on the one hand you have spent a DECADEN trolling countless newsgroups far and wide seeking attention and responses andM then on the other you are pleading for people not to respond to anything said = about you.  OOPS! - bit of a dilemma there for ya, ain't it?!   5 Some of JF's colorful trolling aliases used recently:    nobody <nobody@nobody.com>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:50:02 -0500 ) From: John Kimball <johnkimb@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: A personal plea. 8 Message-ID: <uoufsvsd4se9cg3a91vbhem2vcd45b7hmf@4ax.com>  F On 29 Nov 2003 02:16:18 +0100 Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in9 Message id: <0102d4debb5ac42354e30cc46c280013@dizum.com>:   % >Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org> & >Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>   MMMMmmmmmmmmm. Juicy!    --  @ "The only real improvement you could make at Walmart would be toB saturate every single store with VX at the height of the ChristmasD season. I fucking hate Christmas shopping. I wish the Blessed Virgin/ Mary had learned to use a coathanger properly." 	   -EMT420    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:06:38 GMT  From: stellar@idirect.com (Rod) & Subject: Re: Bill Jowett Death Penalty/ Message-ID: <iVNxb.28$0p7.2792579@news.nnrp.ca>   4 dragnet@internalysis.com (Marc Bissonnette) wrote... > A >You're spamming all sorts of unrelated newsgroups in a personal  > >vendetta against Mezei, without even the pair of balls to use@ >your own name and *you're* calling people a loser ? It's *real*? >easy to create a "vendetta" when you're anonymous. A real man, @ >or woman, with true strength of conviction, would use their own >name to make the accusations.   > > >Anonymity is fine and well for general posting or looking for> >information that you don't want others to know you're looking< >for, but when you stoop to being a yellow-bellied coward by> >using anonymity to insult and harass others, you're no better9 >than a schoolyard bully who only threatens others whilst ! >amongst a crowd of fellow thugs.   ? I 100% agree with you on those well-expressed points, Marc.  I  = couldn't agree with you more.  I'm currently trying to track  = down one of those yellow-bellied cowards, who went as far as  ? violating the Criminal Code.  Actually more than one statute.   A Two C.C. statutes.  Naughty man.  But of course...he did so from  < behind the comfortable veil of anonymity.  It's just little 8 people do that.  Children.  But sometimes very demented 	 children.   ? Actually...the guy I'm after (he's somewhere in Kitchener, and  ? ironically, he supposedly works in law enforcement? LOL) (with  6 people like that working in law enforcement who needs @ criminals!!!!) is just...one of the disease-spreading rats that > will inevitably infest a neighborhood if you don't keep after  them.   > I'll get him.  I'll find out who he is and have him charged.  = But it is slow going.  Jeeze.  iProfit Network in Dartmouth,  > N.S., is something else.  Wow.  They can tell me who this man @ is.  But so far they have lied to me, in emails.  They say they A have NO information about their members.  Obvious lies.  None of  = their emails have been signed.  All anonymous.  I can't even  = find out the manager's name!  No one will tell me.  I called  @ iProfit Network and the woman who answered the phone refused to > identify herself, or the nature of her business, and she just  hung up on me.  7 That is a business?  I guess today...it qualifies.  In  = the...toilet section.  Certainly an extremely unbusinesslike  < business.  Lot of links to other, casino-type businesses on ? their website.  I've started to wonder if I'm dealing with the   mafia.  I sure hope not!  :)  > I contacted as many of their sponsors as I could, to let them 6 know how iProfit Network was behaving, and then I get @ this huffy..."that could be interpreted as interfering with our = business blah-blah..."  These aren't bright people.  At this  A point...I want to shut their business down.  I wanna NUKE it.  I  A wrote back and invited them to sue me.  But I really should have   invited them to kiss my....    Rod    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:29:54 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Bug in DECwindows MAIL ) Message-ID: <3FC7CC5C.C1A4596A@istop.com>    VAX VMS 7.2   H When you EDIT->PASTE into DECwindows mail, it disregards the location ofC current cursor and always inserts into the message contents window.   J So if you have a "Subject" in the clipboard, you need to paste it into theN contents, then select it and use the local mb2 to copy it to the subject field! and then delete it from contents.   L (The programmers just need to keep track of which text field is current, andK paste to that field instead of blindly pasting it to the message contents).    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:37:57 +0100 (CET) . From: starwars <nobody@tatooine.homelinux.net>( Subject: J F  M e z e i and CircumcisionE Message-ID: <482bf6311b0b3789debd4865f0822e4e@tatooine.homelinux.net>   $ From: jfmezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca># Subject: Re: Circumcision FAQ [1/1]  Date: 1996/12/01( Message-ID: <32A14D22.53E5@videotron.ca>I references: <32994531.1E65@videotron.ca> <57g2kf$5db@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> * content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: SPC  mime-version: 1.0  reply-to: jfmezei@videotron.ca newsgroups: misc.kids ) x-mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC)    Grace Boockholdt wrote: < >   It is unclear whether you are describing an *adult* circ= > or an infant circ.   My understanding is that in an *adult* ; > circ, the above is correct...but not so with reference to  > infant circ.    H From looking at guys in the locker room, it seems that most have quite aB bit of inner foreskin left, and most who are cut are cut at birth.F Therefore, I think that it is wrong to say that an infant circumcision removes the inner foreskin.   > It may remove some inner foreskin, none or all, but you cannotD generalise. But you can *and should* advise parents who do decide toD have their son cut to request that all of the inner foreskin be leftG intact. Hey, if you are not going to convince them to leave son intact, D at least give them hints on how to get a decent circumcision done on
 their infant.   G As far as the frenulum is concerned, has it ever occured to you that it H just might be that some are born with short/thin frenulums and some haveH thick ones ? Perhaps some even have the frenulum "shrink" during pubertyG (speculation on my part). So I do not think that it is fair to say that 1 all frenulums are cut off during an infant circ.      0 > There is no exaggeration to the fact that circ0 > permanently alters the function of the natural	 > penis.    D Yeah, that is the goal of circumcision.  YOu'll get no debate there.F But you'll get a debate on whether that alteration is good, neutral orF bad. With circumcision, you may loose on the sensitivity of glans, butD gain on the sensitivity of the inner foreskin and shaft skin becauseE they become smooth and somewhat tight on shaft and are therefore more  directly stimulated.  C And summing up the total sexual sensitivity during  very subjective C thing to do. And since circumcised males can still masturbate, have ? orgasm and reproduce, then circumcision cannot be all that bad.     & > There is no exaggeration to the fact0 > that removal of the foreskin means the removal0 > of thousands of exquisitely sensitive Meissner0 > nerve endings which, on the penis, only reside > in the foreskin.  H Define foreskin. Most of the foreskin is just normal regular shaft skin.B Only about 1.5" of the foreskin is the inner foreskin which is the sensitive part.   C And to those who claim that the "frenar band" (where inner foreskin ? transforms into/meets the shaft skin) is more sensitive, I say: G Could it be that it has more nerves/square cm than other inner foreskin D simply because the skin is not stretched and there is therefore more* skin per square cm in that wrinkled skin ?  G From my personnal experience, I am much more aware of my inner foreskin G now than before sinply because before, it was "hidden" or bunched up at C the rim of head and received little or no attention and when it was G moist, it was next to impossible to rub your fingers on it. I have news B for you, the moistness which accumulates under the foreskin is NOTE lubricant, it is the opposite of this.  The moistness is NOT pre-cum.   ( >  The foreskin is natural.   As natural0 > as your nose.  Unless there is something wrong1 > with your nose...it should be left alone.  Same 0 > with the foreskin.  If there are problems with. > the foreskin, they should THEN be addressed.   G Agreed. but you shoudl also agree that some do not like their noses and $ some have problems with their noses.          2 >   I give my sons as many choices as I can.  Both1 > my boys have haircuts I don't particularly like ; > at all.  They will choose the religion they wish...or not . > choose one...it's up to them.  We teach them0 > morals and consequences without religion being0 > necessary to accomplish this.  We educate them  E This is your own attitude towards the bringing up of a child. While I F tend to agree with you, I also respect the right of parents to instillF more direction into the way their child develops. How much is too much is hard to judge.   3 >   If it's purely emotional/social...it belongs to ' > the individual to decide for himself.   H If the parents culture prevents them from teaching their child about theD care of his foreskin, chances are that the guy will develop foreskinB problems. The parents would therefore acknowledge THEIR problem byE having son circumcised so that their cultural drawback does not cause " their son problems later in life.   A In the above case, the cultural background of the parents is very G important. If they can't talk about sex to their kid, I consider this a > problem, but the fact remains that they will still have a kid.  I > }SHORTENING OF THE SKIN BETWEEN THE BASE OF PENIS AND CORONNA OF GLANS.  > / >   This is sugar-coating.  Circumcision is the + > removal of erogenous tissue of the penis. ) > *Infant* circumcision is the removal of ' > erogenous tissue of the penis withOUT 
 > consent.    G If you call shaft skin erogenous tissue, then fine. But the simple fact A that I, a single individual, have gained from having my long skin G shortened means that you cannot use the word "ALL" in your ddefinitions D of circumcision as an evil thing to do. And i beleive that there areG plenty of adults whose condition improved after circumcision, some more  radical than others.      . >   So?  Some women's labia are long and thick, > and over hangs.  Shall we start advocating( > the "new and improved smoooooth female2 > genitalia"  "streamlined for esthetics", "easier! > to clean...smells fresh, too!"?   : Don't give doctors any ideas ! :-) :-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)  G If your labia were long and thick and you felt that it hindered on your C sex and appearance and knew that a simple procedure could fix that, G wouldn't you consider it ? Some are able to accept their body as it is, G and some strive to improve the way they look (with sports, better food, 6 , hair colouring and to the extreme: cosmetic surgery)  6 If parents think that their son, once grown, will feelE inferior/different because of his foreskin, they will surely consider & infant circumcision as an improvement.  H You need to convince those that when their just born son grows up, it is7 the circumcised ones that will feel inferior/different.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:14:50 -0500 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET>  Subject: Job in Savannah GA FYI / Message-ID: <vsflf6ntg86u1e@news.supernews.com>   H Systems Administrator Level II The Savannah College of Art and Design isB currently seeking qualified applicants for the position of SystemsH Administrator Level II. Candidate will be involved in the integration ofF several hundred Macintosh computers into an existing LDAP environment.C Candidates must have a minimum of 5 years experience administrating J Macintoshes in a large network environment. Candidate should have a strongD background in OSX and be experienced in application distribution andH network-based authentication in a large environment. Candidate should beI familiar with IP protocols, such as, DHCP, DNS, and SMB. Candidate should I have a Bachelors degree in Computer Science, Information Management, or a K related field. Apple Certified System Administrator (ACSA) certification is J highly desirable. Must have good communication skills and work effectivelyJ as a team member. Please send cover letter, resume, a list of professional references to scadhr@scad.edu L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:50:02 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> 1 Subject: Latest list of JF Mezei trolling aliases 8 Message-ID: <3005e02a1c7d7d02eae3cd2f12a8c369@dizum.com>   nobody <nobody@nobody.com>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2003 11:49:48 -0800+ From: nomennescio@canada.com (Nomen Nescio) 4 Subject: Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder= Message-ID: <43cdceff.0311281149.366326bd@posting.google.com>    I have also used; ( Skulking Rogue <anon@cheshire.hopto.org>> A.Melon <juicy@melontraffickers.com> via <mix@chiron.deor.org> <CherryBuster@Cherries.com> 4 Tarapia Tapioco <comesefosse@ntani.firenze.linux.it>D Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to>& Anonymous <nobody@remailer.privacy.at>( God@Heaven.com via <mail2news@dizum.com>! Peter.Taticek@Bell.ca Message-ID: + <9F5ZJLST37719.8520601852@anonymous.poster>   Frog <FrogRemailer@bigfoot.com>      MM   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2003 14:19:19 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 2 Subject: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0311281419.36fdae4c@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,   F I just wanted to let you know that the next Boot Camp will be the weekF of May 16.  Currently I am looking at ending at noon on Friday May 21.?  It has not been decided yet but I am also thinking of doing an D afternoon session on Sunday May 16.  In future the boot camp will be yearly and in May.  E We have received excellent feedback from the folks that attending the = boot camp in Nov and will be using many of their suggestions.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:48:04 GMT   From: Rob Brown <nworb@gmcl.com>N Subject: Re: OT: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests)L Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311281241120.32180-100000@localhost.localdomain>  $ I'll pick some nits in Peters reply:  ( On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Peter Weaver wrote:  : > In Canada we observe Thanksgiving on the third Monday of
 > October.   Second Monday, actually.  = >     Victoria Day (aka May 24 long weekend), third Monday in  > May    Fourth Monday.  D > Depending on what province you live in there may be other holidays' > in addition to the national holidays.   A Yes, I remember explaining to a customer why the first Monday of   August is a holiday.  G It is because the middle of summer is a good time to have another long   weekend.     --    ! Rob Brown                         A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)                                     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:46:03 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>N Subject: Re: OT: Thanksgiving in France (was: First FutureVAX benchmark tests): Message-ID: <bq8c6d$1t7l16$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Rob Brown wrote:& > I'll pick some nits in Peters reply: > * > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Peter Weaver wrote: > ; >> In Canada we observe Thanksgiving on the third Monday of  >> October.  >  > Second Monday, actually.   I stand corrected on that one.  > >>     Victoria Day (aka May 24 long weekend), third Monday in >> May >  > Fourth Monday.  ; Not on that one though, we are both wrong. This year it was . May 19th which was the third Monday. I checked> http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/jfa-ha/victoria_e.cfm and see;  *   : Meanwhile, Canada continued to observe.   : Victoria Day. An amendment to the Statutes1   : of Canada in 1952 established the celebration 3   : of Victoria Day on the Monday preceding May 25.l  3 So in 2004 it will be on the fourth Monday, May 24.w< >> Depending on what province you live in there may be other holidays( >> in addition to the national holidays. > 8 > Yes, I remember explaining to a customer why the first	 Monday ofo > August is a holiday.; > It is because the middle of summer is a good time to have  another long
 > weekend.  + I always thought that was a great reason :)C   -- e Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.E Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXV www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:47:50 +0100-" From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr>; Subject: Re: UCX v5.3 eco 2 Telnet sessions not terminating+2 Message-ID: <bq8cko$uuk$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>   Andrew Rycroft wrote:d > Hi,t > F > We have just upgraded our system to OpenVMS v7.3-1 with UCX v5.3 ecoG > 2. We have many uses who log in via a terminal emulator using Telnet.B > G > We have noticed that if they do not use there session for a while theaB > terminal emulator will disconnect from the server, but the theirG > process is still active. What this means is that if they log in againi/ > they will be told they already are logged in.h > G > We have to stop the process from the original log in to allow them too > log in again.e > H > I believe other sites have a similar problem, so I wondered if anybody, > else has experienced this, and has a fix ? >  > Thanks > Andrew Hellow  I I remember something similar, you should check the Tcp keep alive in the I doc atG http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6631/6631pro_003.html#index_x_134$   particularly tcp_keepidle tcp_keepalive_default1   regards0   Gerard   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2003 03:33:23 +0100% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>2( Subject: VOTE JF MEZEI KOOK OF THE YEAR!8 Message-ID: <25cf59b5cde63ab0c2e697f1cd52db42@dizum.com>   Jean-Francois MezeiG 86 Harwood Gate: Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A30 (514) 695-8259   jfmezei@istop.com: jfmezei.spamnot@istop.coms jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.cal nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca. "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] nobody <nobody@nobody.com>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>a Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>v" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>o' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>a( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>g' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>a% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>t Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>l! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>l# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>o  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>.$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>n! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>c  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>e% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>o$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>t& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>o& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>a' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>o' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>p% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>o$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>o" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>E& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>i' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>o" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>e* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>e* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>- Q <queue@continuum.net>- Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:20:35 GMT = From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)C& Subject: Will VMS run on one of these?7 Message-ID: <3fc7ad73.16010359@news.cable.ntlworld.com>l  B http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/E8870/i2DMR-iG2.htm  ' or any other itaniums i.e. sgi systems?      Peter Watkinsona% peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com. remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2003 14:47:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s* Subject: Re: Will VMS run on one of these?3 Message-ID: <vhZ2+SmkPuSK@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  w In article <3fc7ad73.16010359@news.cable.ntlworld.com>, peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) writes:c  D > http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/E8870/i2DMR-iG2.htm  ' Not as described.  VMS requires a disk.   ) > or any other itaniums i.e. sgi systems?i  C Perhaps it will (when released).  You could try it and let us know. C HP personnel have supported platforms as their mission, so they are 4 unlikely to spend any time on unsupported platforms.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:10:02 +0100 (CET)r% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>e) Subject: ~JF Mezei "Debates" Circumcisione8 Message-ID: <482bf6311b0b3789debd4865f0822e4e@dizum.com>  $ From: jfmezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca># Subject: Re: Circumcision FAQ [1/1]u Date: 1996/12/01( Message-ID: <32A14D22.53E5@videotron.ca>I references: <32994531.1E65@videotron.ca> <57g2kf$5db@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>o* content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: SPCn mime-version: 1.0  reply-to: jfmezei@videotron.ca newsgroups: misc.kidsl) x-mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC)@   Grace Boockholdt wrote:<< >   It is unclear whether you are describing an *adult* circ= > or an infant circ.   My understanding is that in an *adult*y; > circ, the above is correct...but not so with reference tor > infant circ.    H From looking at guys in the locker room, it seems that most have quite aB bit of inner foreskin left, and most who are cut are cut at birth.F Therefore, I think that it is wrong to say that an infant circumcision removes the inner foreskin.o  > It may remove some inner foreskin, none or all, but you cannotD generalise. But you can *and should* advise parents who do decide toD have their son cut to request that all of the inner foreskin be leftG intact. Hey, if you are not going to convince them to leave son intact,>D at least give them hints on how to get a decent circumcision done on
 their infant.   G As far as the frenulum is concerned, has it ever occured to you that itsH just might be that some are born with short/thin frenulums and some haveH thick ones ? Perhaps some even have the frenulum "shrink" during pubertyG (speculation on my part). So I do not think that it is fair to say that 1 all frenulums are cut off during an infant circ. t    0 > There is no exaggeration to the fact that circ0 > permanently alters the function of the natural	 > penis. c  D Yeah, that is the goal of circumcision.  YOu'll get no debate there.F But you'll get a debate on whether that alteration is good, neutral orF bad. With circumcision, you may loose on the sensitivity of glans, butD gain on the sensitivity of the inner foreskin and shaft skin becauseE they become smooth and somewhat tight on shaft and are therefore more  directly stimulated.  C And summing up the total sexual sensitivity during  very subjectivewC thing to do. And since circumcised males can still masturbate, have ? orgasm and reproduce, then circumcision cannot be all that bad.e    & > There is no exaggeration to the fact0 > that removal of the foreskin means the removal0 > of thousands of exquisitely sensitive Meissner0 > nerve endings which, on the penis, only reside > in the foreskin.  H Define foreskin. Most of the foreskin is just normal regular shaft skin.B Only about 1.5" of the foreskin is the inner foreskin which is the sensitive part.   C And to those who claim that the "frenar band" (where inner foreskine? transforms into/meets the shaft skin) is more sensitive, I say:rG Could it be that it has more nerves/square cm than other inner foreskinlD simply because the skin is not stretched and there is therefore more* skin per square cm in that wrinkled skin ?  G From my personnal experience, I am much more aware of my inner foreskinsG now than before sinply because before, it was "hidden" or bunched up ataC the rim of head and received little or no attention and when it wasuG moist, it was next to impossible to rub your fingers on it. I have newsaB for you, the moistness which accumulates under the foreskin is NOTE lubricant, it is the opposite of this.  The moistness is NOT pre-cum.l  ( >  The foreskin is natural.   As natural0 > as your nose.  Unless there is something wrong1 > with your nose...it should be left alone.  Samer0 > with the foreskin.  If there are problems with. > the foreskin, they should THEN be addressed.  bG Agreed. but you shoudl also agree that some do not like their noses ando$ some have problems with their noses.          2 >   I give my sons as many choices as I can.  Both1 > my boys have haircuts I don't particularly like ; > at all.  They will choose the religion they wish...or noto. > choose one...it's up to them.  We teach them0 > morals and consequences without religion being0 > necessary to accomplish this.  We educate them  E This is your own attitude towards the bringing up of a child. While I<F tend to agree with you, I also respect the right of parents to instillF more direction into the way their child develops. How much is too much is hard to judge.o  3 >   If it's purely emotional/social...it belongs to<' > the individual to decide for himself.W  H If the parents culture prevents them from teaching their child about theD care of his foreskin, chances are that the guy will develop foreskinB problems. The parents would therefore acknowledge THEIR problem byE having son circumcised so that their cultural drawback does not causeo" their son problems later in life.   A In the above case, the cultural background of the parents is veryHG important. If they can't talk about sex to their kid, I consider this aC> problem, but the fact remains that they will still have a kid.  I > }SHORTENING OF THE SKIN BETWEEN THE BASE OF PENIS AND CORONNA OF GLANS.  > / >   This is sugar-coating.  Circumcision is thes+ > removal of erogenous tissue of the penis.a) > *Infant* circumcision is the removal ofS' > erogenous tissue of the penis withOUTc
 > consent.    G If you call shaft skin erogenous tissue, then fine. But the simple factaA that I, a single individual, have gained from having my long skinlG shortened means that you cannot use the word "ALL" in your ddefinitions D of circumcision as an evil thing to do. And i beleive that there areG plenty of adults whose condition improved after circumcision, some moreh radical than others.      . >   So?  Some women's labia are long and thick, > and over hangs.  Shall we start advocating( > the "new and improved smoooooth female2 > genitalia"  "streamlined for esthetics", "easier! > to clean...smells fresh, too!"?a  : Don't give doctors any ideas ! :-) :-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)  G If your labia were long and thick and you felt that it hindered on your@C sex and appearance and knew that a simple procedure could fix that,RG wouldn't you consider it ? Some are able to accept their body as it is,rG and some strive to improve the way they look (with sports, better food,n6 , hair colouring and to the extreme: cosmetic surgery)  6 If parents think that their son, once grown, will feelE inferior/different because of his foreskin, they will surely consideri& infant circumcision as an improvement.  H You need to convince those that when their just born son grows up, it is7 the circumcised ones that will feel inferior/different.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.661 ************************ 28 Nov 2003 20:50:02 -0500 ) From: John Kimball <johnkimb@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: A personal plea. 8 Message-ID: <uoufsvsd4se9cg3a91vbhem2vcd45b7hmf@4ax.com>  F On 29 Nov 2003 02:16:18 +0100 Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in9 Message id: <0102d4debb5ac42354e30cc46c280013@dizum.com>:   % >Flapping La0,172,201,249t5 >>> 200 Port 201.249 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.G  <<< RETR tiff_357_vmspatch.tare >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/tiff_357_vmspatch.tar (20480 bytes) started.s; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  19456 (8) bytes transferred.o <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,201,250c5 >>> 200 Port 201.250 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.e <<< RETR tk80-990205.tar-bz2e >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/tk80-990205.tar-bz2 (2894761 bytes) started.= >>> 226 Transfer completed.  2893911 (8) bytes transferred.2 <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,201,251R5 >>> 200 Port 201.251 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.s <<< RETR toolslib.zipt^ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/toolslib.zip (1857549 bytes) started.= >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1857523 (8) bytes transferred.1 <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,201,252d5 >>> 200 Port 201.252 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.r <<< RETR toolslibsrc.zipa >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/toolslibsrc.zip (1506717 bytes) started.b= >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1505891 (8) bytes transferred.  <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,201,253 5 >>> 200 Port 201.253 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.e <<< RETR trace-build.com^ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/trace-build.com (2241 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1855 (8) bytes transferred. <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,201,25475 >>> 200 Port 201.254 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.G <<< RETR traceroute.cd\ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/traceroute.c (91922 bytes) started.; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  91374 (8) bytes transferred.  <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,201,25525 >>> 200 Port 201.255 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.># <<< RETR tracesroute-0_readme.txtcg >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/tracesroute-0_readme.txt (2959 bytes) started.f: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  2161 (8) bytes transferred. <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,202,0t3 >>> 200 Port 202.0 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.e <<< RETR trace_decc.optt\ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/trace_decc.opt (994 bytes) started.8 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  30 (8) bytes transferred. <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,202,1 3 >>> 200 Port 202.1 at Host 212.54.0.172 accepted.> <<< RETR trace_vaxc.opts\ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vmslt02b/vu/trace_vaxc.opt (966 bytes) started.8 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  58 (8) bytes transferred. <<< PORT 212,54,0,172,202,223 >>> 200 Port 202.2 at Host 212.54.