1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Nov 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 662       Contents:/ Re: Hobbyist license and layered products - SLS / Re: Hobbyist license and layered products - SLS 7 Re: How do they deliver a newsgroup from Alan Erskine?? + Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality Disorder  My new Sun e250? Re: My new Sun e250? Re: My new Sun e250?  Re: NTP build procedure for VMS?$ Re: OpenVMS Limits Identifiers for C" Pathworks to Win2K Migration hints& Re: Pathworks to Win2K Migration hints Re: Printer problem  Re: RCU utility , Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files, Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday  Re: TELENT in batch ' Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name? + Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name? + Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name? + Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name? + Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name? + Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?   Re: Why PERL on VMS? We have DCL5 Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. Bynon 5 Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. Bynon 5 Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. Bynon  Re: [OT] For David CATHEY   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:32:30 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>8 Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products - SLS/ Message-ID: <00A29A27.3A5DB670.1@tachysoft.com>   ' >From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms9 >Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products - SLS ! >Date: 25 Nov 2003 07:59:08 -0800 ' >Organization: http://groups.google.com 
 >Lines: 38> >Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0311250759.12091a13@posting.google.com>- >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1   >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bitM >X-Trace: posting.google.com 1069775949 28197 127.0.0.1 (25 Nov 2003 15:59:09  >         GMT)    C >The reason i ask, is that last week, I came across a TZ88 that was B >being discarded (yes, you heard that right).  I asked for and wasF >given permission to carry it out to the dumpster.  So now I have thisG >thing plugged into my BA356, and I can run backups. I thought it would + >be fun to use SLS to maintain the catalog.  > D >This all assumes my Sandpiper doesn't croak. And I guess a hobbyistE >with an almost current DLT is a bit unusual. But then 3 months ago I E >would have laughed if you told me I would have to move my "VMS shop" = >off the dining room table so we can eat Thanksgiving dinner!  > ? >Is there anyone I can talk to about getting a SLS-MGR license?  >     O You might contact software partners (softwarepartners.com) and try to talk them N into a hobbyist licence for tapesys.  They aren't in the hobbyist program, butO that's probably because no one has asked for a hobbyist licence before.  As you D say, a tape management system is generally not needed by hobbyists. J Technically, all that is required is to change the name on a demo key fromL "TAPESYS Customer (Demo Key)" to "TAPESYS Hobbyist" or some such (we use ourN own key system rather than LMF) and set the expiration to a year rather than aN few weeks.  As I recall, the keys in the regular hobbyist program expire after a year.   E It would take a minute or two.  It's just getting them to do it.  :-)   N tapesys and sls were once the same product.  sls is basically a snapshot of anJ early version of tapesys.  The snapshot was over ten years ago, so the two. products have diverged quite a bit since then.   Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:49:54 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 8 Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products - SLS' Message-ID: <3FC976F2.7D8CD2C2@fsi.net>    To: Wayne Sewell...   H Your incoming mail agent is rejecting messages to your username. Forgive my replying publicly...   	 >> [snip] J >>The "adult" product, TapeSys is really only its late teens and has a lotF >>of "growing up" to do before it's ready to play the big time without" >>gobs and gobs of DCL "wrappers". >> > / >I'm not sure if I understand the indictment.      No "indictment" intended.   ' >Are you referring to the .sbk files?    > I >The fact that sysbak and vmsbu are basically wrappers around vms backup?   C Not at all. SLS is the same way, being an early version of TapeSys.   K >You have to provide a lot of your own dcl to do things that tapesys is not M >doing for you?  If so, what?  If it's something that a lot of sites need, it / >can be added to the enhancement request queue.   D Talk to Andy Smith at SPI. He has a fairly extensive amount of info.E from a conversation he and I have been carrying on over the course of  the last couple of months.  D In a nutshell: SLS inherits it STK-related limitations from TapeSys,D which - in large measure - still suffers from the same problems: theA folks who did the initial work on SLS/TapeSys + DCSC had rather a E limited paradigm resulting in a very limited product. Both TapeSys in G its current form and SLS are built around the paradigm that if you have G two STK libraries where the robots are being operated by a single ACSLS A server, it is assumed that the two libraries are connected with a @ pass-thru. Thus, some key distinctions are ignored rendering theE product(s) inoperable in a non-connected configuration without oodles - and oodles of DCL jacketing and work-arounds.   1 I know - I'm running exactly that scenario today.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:09:41 GMT " From: "Gag Order" <me@not.here.eh>@ Subject: Re: How do they deliver a newsgroup from Alan Erskine??F Message-ID: <pW7yb.26538$ZmO.197@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Shut the fuck up  ; " Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> wrote in message D news:lIoxb.71410$Fv8.6215@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...? > "James Anatidae" <parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net> wrote in message ( > news:bq47em$8t5$2@news3.infoave.net...3 > > The above message as been forwarded to Spamcop.  > >  > kewl, what will they do? >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:10:37 GMT " From: "Gag Order" <me@not.here.eh>4 Subject: Re: Mezei and Multiple Personality DisorderG Message-ID: <hX7yb.26547$ZmO.2232@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Is that u mikey   8 "Nomen Nescio" <nomennescio@canada.com> wrote in message7 news:43cdceff.0311281149.366326bd@posting.google.com...  > I have also used; * > Skulking Rogue <anon@cheshire.hopto.org>@ > A.Melon <juicy@melontraffickers.com> via <mix@chiron.deor.org> > <CherryBuster@Cherries.com> 6 > Tarapia Tapioco <comesefosse@ntani.firenze.linux.it>F > Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to>( > Anonymous <nobody@remailer.privacy.at>* > God@Heaven.com via <mail2news@dizum.com># > Peter.Taticek@Bell.ca Message-ID: - > <9F5ZJLST37719.8520601852@anonymous.poster> ! > Frog <FrogRemailer@bigfoot.com>  >  >  > MM   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:44:43 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: My new Sun e250? ; Message-ID: <wh2yb.25978$dt2.1902150@news20.bellglobal.com>   H My employer just took delivery of a new Sun e250 for a project where theJ application vendor required it. It came with two CPUs (450 MHz), 2 Gigs ofL RAM, and six 36 Gig drives. We've been playing with it for the past few daysN and noticed something strange: CPU utilization is almost totally maxed out forM quite some time whenever we pull out, then replace, one of the RAID-5 drives. M (remember, there is no application software installed yet and no one else was 
 logged on)  K After a little head scratching we came to the realization that this must be L some kind of host-based RAID. We don't see this type of CPU bog down when weB do something similar on my AlphaServer DS20 which has and externalC hardware/based RAID controller (a single channel RA-3000 (HSZ-22)).   J Does Sun make/support a hardware based RAID controller or is this the best that they've got?   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:21:09 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: My new Sun e250? H Message-ID: <VH3yb.23062$ZmO.22931@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: F > My employer just took delivery of a new Sun e250 for a project whereF > the application vendor required it. It came with two CPUs (450 MHz),F > 2 Gigs of RAM, and six 36 Gig drives. We've been playing with it forE > the past few days and noticed something strange: CPU utilization is D > almost totally maxed out for quite some time whenever we pull out,@ > then replace, one of the RAID-5 drives. (remember, there is noC > application software installed yet and no one else was logged on)  > E > After a little head scratching we came to the realization that this E > must be some kind of host-based RAID. We don't see this type of CPU D > bog down when we do something similar on my AlphaServer DS20 whichC > has and external hardware/based RAID controller (a single channel  > RA-3000 (HSZ-22)). > G > Does Sun make/support a hardware based RAID controller or is this the  > best that they've got?    , Can't help you on this, but have a question:  J What did the application vendor say when you asked them is there was a VMS version of their app?   K Are you planning to sent their reply to carly(tm), Marcello, & Gorham along C with the details of the 'lost' Alpha/VMS sale to your organization?   J Not directed at you personally Neil, but I think it's important that everyG VMS shop did something like this each and every time a competitor's box K walked in the door because there wasn't a VMS version of the app available.   B Not that HP would care enough to do anything substantive about it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:55:19 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: My new Sun e250? 0 Message-ID: <3FC8DB70.F6C39D4D@blueyonder.co.uk>   John Smith wrote:  >  > Neil Rieck wrote: H > > My employer just took delivery of a new Sun e250 for a project whereH > > the application vendor required it. It came with two CPUs (450 MHz),H > > 2 Gigs of RAM, and six 36 Gig drives. We've been playing with it forG > > the past few days and noticed something strange: CPU utilization is F > > almost totally maxed out for quite some time whenever we pull out,B > > then replace, one of the RAID-5 drives. (remember, there is noE > > application software installed yet and no one else was logged on)  > > G > > After a little head scratching we came to the realization that this G > > must be some kind of host-based RAID. We don't see this type of CPU F > > bog down when we do something similar on my AlphaServer DS20 whichE > > has and external hardware/based RAID controller (a single channel  > > RA-3000 (HSZ-22)). > > I > > Does Sun make/support a hardware based RAID controller or is this the  > > best that they've got? > . > Can't help you on this, but have a question: > L > What did the application vendor say when you asked them is there was a VMS > version of their app?  > M > Are you planning to sent their reply to carly(tm), Marcello, & Gorham along E > with the details of the 'lost' Alpha/VMS sale to your organization?  > L > Not directed at you personally Neil, but I think it's important that everyI > VMS shop did something like this each and every time a competitor's box M > walked in the door because there wasn't a VMS version of the app available.  > D > Not that HP would care enough to do anything substantive about it.  C Sadly, this sort of behaviour is more likely to jeapordize your job C (getting reputation as troublemaker who wants to push that pesy VMS C stuff that we havnt quite managed to get rid of yet) than cause any P positive action within HP, unless possibly you have board level support in your  company. --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:08:18 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ) Subject: Re: NTP build procedure for VMS? 0 Message-ID: <MqednbxNSuZel1SiRVn-jg@comcast.com>  G It's fairly obvious that NTP is not setting the clock.  It not obvious  ! that it is doing anything at all.   I The Wizard (and HPAQ tech support) say to upgrade to TCPIP Services V5.1  I which I can't do.  TCPIP V5.1 works very well BTW, I'm running it on the  G four Alphas that I *can* run it on; they are generally within a couple  I of milliseconds of the server they are synchronized with and that's well   within my tolerance.  C The NTP.TEMPLATE file is not much help!  The only basic difference  I between what I was doing, and the template file is that I was  using the  G "server" keyword instead of "peer" because I didn't want these systems  I to have any peers in the NTP sense of the word.  When I changed "server"  I to "peer" and restarted NTP, the log file did report that it had found a  F peer and was now at stratum 2.  I also have the "correct-any" keyword D which is supposed to allow NTP to jump the clock if necessary; it's I clearly necessary but it's not doing that either.  Thirty minutes later,  F it's still at an offset of -2.334959 seconds from it's new "peer" and L it's still drifting in the wrong direction at about 8 milliseconds per hour.  $ Do you actually have this working???   Dirk Munk wrote:   > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > H >> I'm running VMS V6.2-1H3 and DEC TCPIP Services (UCX) V4.2 ECO Level A >> 5 on three DEC Alphas.  I can't upgrade because I have to run  : >> software that is not supported at more recent versions. >>F >> The NTP implementation in UCX 4.2 appears seriously broken; one of G >> the three clocks loses about 15 seconds a week!  The other two only  ( >> lose three or four seconds a week.    >  > I > This only shows that NTP is *not* setting your system clock! There are  G > some articles in the VMS FAQ and/or Ask the Wizard on the HP VMS web  I > site how to configure your system in such a way that NTP will set your   > system clock.  > E > I'm not sure about UCX 4.2, but if I'm not mistaken there could be  , > some info in  NTP config template as well. >  > I >> In addition, there are no utilities such as ntpq, ntpdc, or ntpdate.   I >> I do have four systems running  VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP Services 5.1 that  F >> are working just fine in spite of a path to the internet that runs E >> from New Jersey to Missouri, to Massachusetts before ever getting   >> near an internet NTP server.  >>E >> I'd like to try a later version of NTP.  I've downloaded the V4.2  G >> distribution but although the documentation mentions VMS, the build  H >> seems to require Unix tools (configure, etc.) that are not available I >> for VMS.  I do have a version of "make" that runs on VMS but  I don't  G >> think it understands the syntax of the make.in and make.am files in   >> the distribution. >>? >> Does anyone have a script or directions to build it by hand? 
 >> Thanks, >> >> Richard Gilbert >> >    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2003 09:51:46 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) - Subject: Re: OpenVMS Limits Identifiers for C < Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0311290951.32aa4a9@posting.google.com>   > Hello, > M > Does OpenVMS have a C header/include file that includes common limits like: H > #define CLI_INT_MAX    4095      /* OpenVMS CLI (interactive) limit */? > #define USERNAME_MAX     12      /* OpenVMS Username limit */ E > #define IDENTIFIER_MAX   31      /* OpenVMS UAF Identifier limit */ R > #define ASCTIME_LENGTH   26      /* OpenVMS C RTL Library: asctime definition */? > #define NODENAME_MAX      6      /* OpenVMS Hostname limit */  >   > Or something of this nature??? >  > JMOD   noch einmal    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2003 18:23:24 -0800+ From: netzach@GeoCities.com (Guy R. Briggs) + Subject: Pathworks to Win2K Migration hints = Message-ID: <64c46056.0311291823.323a54db@posting.google.com>   C A client company wants to migrate from Pathworks to Win2K. They are E dropping the Alpha and replacing it (eventually) with Wintel servers. E Are there any published white papers that would highlight procedures, ) best practices, pitfalls, pratfalls, etc?    Thanks in advance,   Guy    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:28:38 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Pathworks to Win2K Migration hints ' Message-ID: <3FC971F6.6D484A9D@fsi.net>    "Guy R. Briggs" wrote: > E > A client company wants to migrate from Pathworks to Win2K. They are G > dropping the Alpha and replacing it (eventually) with Wintel servers. G > Are there any published white papers that would highlight procedures, + > best practices, pitfalls, pratfalls, etc?   ? Well, anything security related will be of interest. LoseDows's ? perforated security boundaries have become the stuff of legend.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2003 07:54:06 -0800" From: insomnee_a@yahoo.co.uk (rob) Subject: Re: Printer problem= Message-ID: <3610450e.0311290754.1467ad64@posting.google.com>   h "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bpj6tn$3so$1@hercules.btinternet.com>...N > "Graham Burley" <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> wrote in message5 > news:3FBBD51F.65922EAE@encompasserve-or-this.org...  > > Insomnee wrote:  > >  > > > K > > > One however has started wanting the Go button to be pressed before it  >  will M > > > print anything. Example: It says load paper in tray 1, but if you press  >  Go K > > > it overrides and takes from the bulk paper casette. Is there a way to  >  stop B > > > it from happening and take directly from Tray 3. I did add aM > > > /separate=(reset=reset)) on a set queue command but it didnt work. I am N > > > sending it a PCL statement through a device library / form type and dontN > > > really want to mess about with that as other printers are using the sameI > > > module and working OK. We can print OK from Word and Windows etc...  > > >  > > I > > A wild guess would be it's an argument about stationery types and the E > > printer no longer thinks that tray N contains what you asked for. @ > > Anyway, I'd start by printing out the printer configuration. > > ) > > Random related PCL control sequences:  > > - > > <ESC>&l26A              ! Paper size = A4 3 > > <ESC>&l5H               ! Paper source = Tray 3 0 > > <ESC>&n6WdPlain         ! Paper type = plain > >  > > L > > > Another problem I have is where I have a Square Root symbol at the top >  left K > > > of the first page, either when I have the banner page or as the first , > > > character on the page if I go without. > > >  > > H > > I've seen this with the TCPIP telnet symbiont, in which case I think3 > > you need to do this before you start the queue:  > > - > > $ define/system TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP 1  > >  > > 
 > > Graham > >  >  > K > You're all stars shining brightly in the vms sky. i will give these a go.     D Did the define and that worked fantastic, have changed some settings( on the printer and thats working OK too. Thanks for all your help.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:45:05 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: RCU utility0 Message-ID: <D5CdnV65Qqn_jlSiRVn-jw@comcast.com>  H Some of the SWXCR software can be downloaded from the HP web site.  I'd G suggest using Google to try to locate it though; HP's search engine is   just about useless!    Dan O'Reilly wrote:   E > Anybody have a source for this?  I just acquired an AS1000 that has D > a SWXCR controller in it, and I need to be able to reconfigure it.2 > Apparently, the only way is via the RCU utility. >  > ------M > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   > F > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in  > this |B > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand  > binary   |4 > | Process Software              |   and those who  > don't."                |" > | http://www.process.com        , > |                                        |M > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   >  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:38:43 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files $ Message-ID: <bq9pf2$mva$1@online.de>  E In article <03112808103655@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com  (John Brandon) writes:    M > Using a RAID 0+1 disk is faster with both READ and WRITES.  Not sure on the M > Shadow Set - though I would assume at least better if not equal performance  > than a single disk.   E I'm sure that WRITEs are slower, since it has to write to both disks.   N > One controller?  Is it one controller or controller pair?  Is it HSJ40 or anP > HSG80?  Depends on your configuration.  If one controller, bad.  If controllerA > pair, good.  If HSJ40, less performance.  If HSG80, no problem.  > F > Does the controller have sufficient cache?  Redundant power?  etc...  D Just a hobbyist system, fast narrow SCSI 2 on the ALPHA, slow narrowF SCSI 1 on the VAXes, host-based controllers (i.e. the SCSI cards whichH came with the machines), locally connected SCSI disks (which can be MSCP served to the cluster).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:05:32 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files ) Message-ID: <3FC86F35.36C5E673@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: O > > Shadow Set - though I would assume at least better if not equal performance  > > than a single disk.  > G > I'm sure that WRITEs are slower, since it has to write to both disks.    It depends on your setup.   M Reads are definitely faster because a host will send read IO to another drive & if its own drive is already very busy.  K Writes are slower when one of the drives is not controlled by the same node N (MSCP). But if they are all physically attached to the same computer, wouldn'tN a write be more or less about the same speed since both drives would get theirN write command at about the same time and would complete at about the same time# ? (no MSCP over ethernet overhead).    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2003 18:40:09 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0311281840.4b755e5@posting.google.com>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bq83cc$qjn$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Rob Young wrote: > > In article <bptesc$40i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > >  > >>Rob Young wrote: >   g > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=JNbGG0GqtEoe%40eisner.encompasserve.org&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain  > > / > > From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms & > > Subject: Re: The Gauntlet is Cast!$ > > Date: 10 Sep 2002 12:36:37 -0600 > >  > > F > > 	Server margins will follow PC margins and there is ample evidence > > 	that is so. > > B > > 	In August 2001 Sun was trading near $20 a share.  Since then, > > 	it is at $3 and change. > > ) > > 	Once again, in your attempt to spin:  > >  > 8 > ohhh dear ohhh dear ohhh dear. Where have you been for > the last couple of years.  > ? > Margins are down because there has been a fall in expenditure ; > in the server market as a whole. More people chasing less + > business always has an effect on margins.  > > < > >>Namely that low end PC's will squeeze Sun out of the low > >>end market.  > >  > > C > > 	I haven't promoted that.  I've promoted in general that server E > > 	margins will slide and it will impact the big players most.  And E > > 	Sun much more than others as Sun is basically a one-trick pony,   > > 	hardware.   > > ! > > 	That prediction came true.    > >  >  > 2 > Whats the title of this thread Rob ????????????? > 2 > Not the bightest and best example you could have= > chosen Rob in this context, but then I guess you don't want  > to buck a trend. > " > Ooops another failed prediction. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   @ soon as OpenVMS previews on itanium this year and the alpha team> brings out their itanium intro, your garbage slowaris platform@ will still be garbage, weither it runs on garbage amd processors8 or some other junk ... nothing is going to change there!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:05:28 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday/ Message-ID: <00A29A23.73FD0F74.5@tachysoft.com>   ' >From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsC >Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday ! >Organization: not that I know of 9 >Message-ID: <skq6svkgbtk9gn7a4740scb8eks2jenp0s@4ax.com>  >  > K >If you disagree with Mr. Todd's analysis of SPARC performance, start a new ( >discussion with him over that analysis. >   N Hopefully in a sparc-related group, since many of us in comp.os.vms don't giveL a shit about the performance of sparc (or lack thereof, as the case may be).   Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:08:24 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: Re: TELENT in batch< Message-ID: <IF9yb.3653$wP2.3209@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   Dale Dellutri wrote:  O > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:49:16 -0600, John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote:  > D >>I have a user that is asking me about using TELNET in a batch job.$ >>My response is to use RSH instead.< >>Just out of curiousity, can TELNET be used in a batch job? >>Why or why not?  >  > A > The problem is scripting the responses.  We use kermit for this F > purpose, and kermit's telnet.  Kermit has good scripting capability. >   F This is no problem at all... when trying to manage 150 Alpha servers, H RSH has become necessity... (side note, my command procedures prompt me : for the password with ECHO turned off (set term/noecho)...  6 pipe rsh /user='p1'/pass='p2' "some command" | (read -; 	sys$pipe rec ; if f$locate(rec) .nes. f$length(rec) then - <          define/job variable "FALSE" ; define/job rec &rec )> $ if f$trnlnm("variable") .eqs. "FALSE" then do something else    G and if it is the 3rd line returned from the RSH command simply add two  1 more read statements ... you will get the idea...   F pipe rsh /user='p1' /pass='p2' "some command" | (read sys$pipe rec ; -3           read sys$pipe rec ; read sys$pipe rec ; - , 	if f$locate(rec) .nes. f$length(rec) then -;          define/job variable "FALSE" ; define/job rec &rec) > $ if f$trnlnm("variable") .eqs. "FALSE" then do something else  B There is a LOT of cool stuff you can do with this...  I use it to F load/unload my 4MM DAT tape drive (TLZ07 w/4 cartridge loader) from a  remote system.  @ This can be done using PERL or if you are inclined to make this  web-based, PHP is cool as well.        Michael Austin.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:41:04 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>0 Subject: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?* Message-ID: <bqb7ej$dmb$1@reader10.wxs.nl>  D I need to fix the relationship between a PCs IP-address and the VMS D terminal device name (TNAnnn:) when a user on that PC uses a TELNET H client to login to VMS. In other words, IP-address 192.168.14.12 always 3 uses TNA12:, 192.168.14.13 always uses TNA13:, etc.   . I use VAX VMS 7.3, TCPIP 5.1 with latest ECOs.  G I know I can do a TELNET /CREATE host port unit /PROT=TELNET to create  C an "outgoing" TELNET session to PC "host" associated with TNAunit:  H Indeed, the terminal device TNAunit: appears after issuing this command.  G Question: how to connect to that session from the PC side? I'd like to  F use a TELNET client to send an unsolicited CR to the VAX, in the hope D that LOGINOUT.EXE responds on TNAunit:, allowing the user to log in.  F My understanding of TELNET sessions is virtualy no-existant, so I may < have chosen the wrong path in creating the outgoing session?   --  
 Wilm Boerhout    w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2003 18:13:29 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?3 Message-ID: <tlziFcr3FeN4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <bqb7ej$dmb$1@reader10.wxs.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> writes: F > I need to fix the relationship between a PCs IP-address and the VMS F > terminal device name (TNAnnn:) when a user on that PC uses a TELNET J > client to login to VMS. In other words, IP-address 192.168.14.12 always 
 > uses TNA12:   E And what behavior would you expect for the _second_ Telnet connection 9 from 192.168.14.12 while the first one is still running ?   I > I know I can do a TELNET /CREATE host port unit /PROT=TELNET to create  E > an "outgoing" TELNET session to PC "host" associated with TNAunit:  J > Indeed, the terminal device TNAunit: appears after issuing this command. > < > Question: how to connect to that session from the PC side?  C That implies a fully cooperative non-hostile PC user, which was not : part of the specification in your first paragraph (above).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:16:25 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?) Message-ID: <3FC944DD.244A8E82@istop.com>    Wilm Boerhout wrote:H > I know I can do a TELNET /CREATE host port unit /PROT=TELNET to createD > an "outgoing" TELNET session to PC "host" associated with TNAunit:J > Indeed, the terminal device TNAunit: appears after issuing this command.  L Problem is that the TELNET/CREATE will attempt to create a "pipe" between anL essentially random port number on the VMS side and port 23 on the PC. If theM PC doesn't have anything accepting the call on its port 23, the TELNET/CREATE M will fail. If the PC accepts the call, it will be connected to a device owned M by your process. If the link gets disconnected at any point in time, it won't ! get automatically re-established.   I There is a lexical function to optain the IP address associated with a TN < device. (use google to get it, it escapes me at the moment).  F Perhaps if you explained why you would want to have a fixed TNA deviceB associated with each machine, we might be able to offer solutions.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 03:18:09 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> 4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?8 Message-ID: <Rjdyb.88990$Eq1.5344@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  = Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> wrote in message $ news:bqb7ej$dmb$1@reader10.wxs.nl...E > I need to fix the relationship between a PCs IP-address and the VMS E > terminal device name (TNAnnn:) when a user on that PC uses a TELNETuI > client to login to VMS. In other words, IP-address 192.168.14.12 alwayse5 > uses TNA12:, 192.168.14.13 always uses TNA13:, etc.   H You might want to investigate SET PROCESS/NAME= to identify the terminalH instead of attempting to assign a device.  This is easier to assign, andJ does not walk all over the correct way that the system is supposed to run.  L When the user logs in, you can set the process name.  Note: VMS already doesJ this.  If you have unique logins, then the process is always the username.    0 > I use VAX VMS 7.3, TCPIP 5.1 with latest ECOs. >eH > I know I can do a TELNET /CREATE host port unit /PROT=TELNET to createD > an "outgoing" TELNET session to PC "host" associated with TNAunit:J > Indeed, the terminal device TNAunit: appears after issuing this command. >eH > Question: how to connect to that session from the PC side? I'd like toG > use a TELNET client to send an unsolicited CR to the VAX, in the hopeeF > that LOGINOUT.EXE responds on TNAunit:, allowing the user to log in. >eG > My understanding of TELNET sessions is virtualy no-existant, so I mayn> > have chosen the wrong path in creating the outgoing session?  D There are also Virtual Terminals that you could re-connect to if theH connection was dropped, but that would not help you if a user logged out	 normally.:   > -- > Wilm Boerhout  >e > w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl* >    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address) >S   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:26:38 -0600m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>S4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?' Message-ID: <3FC9717E.9F1E36E0@fsi.net>O   Wilm Boerhout wrote: > E > I need to fix the relationship between a PCs IP-address and the VMSiE > terminal device name (TNAnnn:) when a user on that PC uses a TELNETtI > client to login to VMS. In other words, IP-address 192.168.14.12 always.5 > uses TNA12:, 192.168.14.13 always uses TNA13:, etc.r  B Since that's not really possible, perhaps if you said what problem? you're trying to solve, someone could post a suggestion or two.v  H If it has something to do with the AutoLogin Facility (ALF), perhaps the' docset and the FAQ may be of some help.p   -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:27:11 GMTd> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?< Message-ID: <ykeyb.3709$F34.1658@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   Mike Naime wrote:   ? > Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> wrote in messaged& > news:bqb7ej$dmb$1@reader10.wxs.nl... > E >>I need to fix the relationship between a PCs IP-address and the VMS E >>terminal device name (TNAnnn:) when a user on that PC uses a TELNETaI >>client to login to VMS. In other words, IP-address 192.168.14.12 always,5 >>uses TNA12:, 192.168.14.13 always uses TNA13:, etc.e >  > J > You might want to investigate SET PROCESS/NAME= to identify the terminalJ > instead of attempting to assign a device.  This is easier to assign, andL > does not walk all over the correct way that the system is supposed to run. > N > When the user logs in, you can set the process name.  Note: VMS already doesL > this.  If you have unique logins, then the process is always the username. >  >  > 0 >>I use VAX VMS 7.3, TCPIP 5.1 with latest ECOs. >>H >>I know I can do a TELNET /CREATE host port unit /PROT=TELNET to createD >>an "outgoing" TELNET session to PC "host" associated with TNAunit:J >>Indeed, the terminal device TNAunit: appears after issuing this command. >>H >>Question: how to connect to that session from the PC side? I'd like toG >>use a TELNET client to send an unsolicited CR to the VAX, in the hope=F >>that LOGINOUT.EXE responds on TNAunit:, allowing the user to log in. >>G >>My understanding of TELNET sessions is virtualy no-existant, so I may-> >>have chosen the wrong path in creating the outgoing session? >  > F > There are also Virtual Terminals that you could re-connect to if theJ > connection was dropped, but that would not help you if a user logged out > normally.e >  >  >>-- >>Wilm Boerhoute >> >>w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl* >>   (remove OLD PAINT from reply address) >> >  >  >   F You have described how you would like to have a user connect, but you G really have not identified the problem you are trying to solve.  There o0 may be an easier way to do what you really need.  H to reply to part of your problem, Virtual Terminals also have a timeout : value set to where they will also eventually "disconnect".   Michael Austin   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:23:29 -0500b3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>o) Subject: Re: Why PERL on VMS? We have DCLt0 Message-ID: <TdGdnff604rPk1SiRVn-ig@comcast.com>  H It all depends on who is writing the software in question.  Thirty plus F years of experience have taught me that anything I write is likely to I return to haunt me!  I'm a shameless plagiarist of my own work; it saves eE me incredible amounts of time! :-)  I try to comment everything that rF might need it.  This does not mean that a third party is excused from 2 knowing the rudiments of the language I wrote in.    Bart Zorn wrote:  D >Perl can do things with far less statements than would be needed inF >DCL. But only the person who wrote the code understands what is goingF >on, and don't ask him/her two months later. And why limit yourself toF >Perl? You can use (g)awk or phyton or whatever is the language of the >day.l >aE >Sometimes it seems to me that readability and maintainability are noiE >longer a design consideration for software. If it works, fine. If ita, >doesn't, also fine, and start from scratch. > 	 >Regards,o >s
 >Bart Zorn >I >r_ >Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fc45d93$0$17092$626a54ce@news.free.fr>...e >  o > S >>I find here and there more and more examples of VMS output processing written in -M >>PERL (see http://tinyurl.com/wlvo). We have DCL. What does PERL add to DCL?d >>	 >>Thanks,e >> >>D. >>-- :P >>    Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News  | mirrors   | downloadsL >>  www.openvms.org/dmorandi/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en USA        n/aK >>www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en Europe    2669wK >>www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf   fr Europe     532cK >>www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310en.pdf   en Europe     377hK >>www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdf   fr Europe     147d >>= >>                  Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com0= >>                  (number of visits, en : 2604 - fr : 2404)R >>K >>   didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPsG >>       Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation<K >>   Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287oH >>     SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com >>     >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:00:54 -0500r3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>e> Subject: Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. Bynon0 Message-ID: <JbadnQVXLs2KilSiRVn-gg@comcast.com>  F Cardinal Publishing bought the CompuServe VAX Forum from its creator, I Stuart Fuller.  Stuff from the ARIS BBS was moved to the VAX Forum.  Stu tG might have archived it somewhere before CompuServe shut down VAX Forum.-  B The last E-Mail address I have for Stu is a "home.com" domain and H home.com was bought out by Comcast and all the addresses were changed.  J You could try "stufuller(at)usa.net or "fuller(at)pt9113.ped.pto.ford.com"   Richard Gilbert2+ Former assistant: Sysop ARIS and VAX Forum.r   Denny wrote:  E >In the December 1990 issue of VAX Professional, page 31, there is anv7 >article by DWBynon, "X Views: Plotting Capacity Data".  >eC >The article references a set of programs (CAPACITY.DOC is the self D >extracting kit) to be found on the ARIS/BB (right!). These programs? >accept input from the MONITOR program, and produce graphs in a  >dECWindow.a > G >Does anyone know what became of the ARIS/BB stuff?  Is it available onh >any web site? >oG >I looked for VAX Professional, sold to Cardinal Publishing. Cardinal'seB >phone has been disconnected. Bynon doesn't get any useful hits in >Google. >s4 >I would very much like to see his program listing.  >  >Thanks, >k >denny >  a >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:07:00 GMTR# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. BynonI Message-ID: <oE9yb.91489$X2W1.28940@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>-   Richard B. Gilbert wrote:3G > Cardinal Publishing bought the CompuServe VAX Forum from its creator, E > Stuart Fuller.  Stuff from the ARIS BBS was moved to the VAX Forum.eF > Stu might have archived it somewhere before CompuServe shut down VAX > Forum. >0C > The last E-Mail address I have for Stu is a "home.com" domain andiH > home.com was bought out by Comcast and all the addresses were changed.( > You could try "stufuller(at)usa.net or% > "fuller(at)pt9113.ped.pto.ford.com"i >i > Richard Gilbertt- > Former assistant: Sysop ARIS and VAX Forum.p    $ Stu jumps in here from time-to-time.    What ever became of Bill Mayhew?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:42:53 -0500f3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>o> Subject: Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. Bynon0 Message-ID: <mbKdnS-3opaC1lSiRVn-vg@comcast.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0508040903040601060401099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitI  I I haven't heard from Bill Mayhew since shortly after he became president  	 of DECUS!a   John Smith wrote:t   >Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >  n >uG >>Cardinal Publishing bought the CompuServe VAX Forum from its creator,gE >>Stuart Fuller.  Stuff from the ARIS BBS was moved to the VAX Forum.dF >>Stu might have archived it somewhere before CompuServe shut down VAX >>Forum. >>C >>The last E-Mail address I have for Stu is a "home.com" domain andtH >>home.com was bought out by Comcast and all the addresses were changed.( >>You could try "stufuller(at)usa.net or% >>"fuller(at)pt9113.ped.pto.ford.com"a >> >>Richard Gilbertg- >>Former assistant: Sysop ARIS and VAX Forum.- >>     >> >e >a% >Stu jumps in here from time-to-time.  >w! >What ever became of Bill Mayhew?u >  >j >  R >M  & --------------050804090304060106040109) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciie Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">e <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">A   <title></title>r </head>v' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">f> I haven't heard from Bill Mayhew since shortly after he became president of DECUS!<br>f <br> John Smith wrote:<br>e <blockquote type="cite"aG  cite="midoE9yb.91489$X2W1.28940@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com">t(   <pre wrap="">Richard B. Gilbert wrote:   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">V     <pre wrap="">Cardinal Publishing bought the CompuServe VAX Forum from its creator,C Stuart Fuller.  Stuff from the ARIS BBS was moved to the VAX Forum.nD Stu might have archived it somewhere before CompuServe shut down VAX Forum.  A The last E-Mail address I have for Stu is a "home.com" domain andoF home.com was bought out by Comcast and all the addresses were changed.& You could try "stufuller(at)usa.net or# "fuller(at)pt9113.ped.pto.ford.com"    Richard Gilberta+ Former assistant: Sysop ARIS and VAX Forum.t
     </pre>   </blockquote>t   <pre wrap=""><!---->  $ Stu jumps in here from time-to-time.    What ever became of Bill Mayhew?       </pre>
 </blockquote>A </body>s </html>u  ( --------------050804090304060106040109--   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:24:58 -0500t3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> " Subject: Re: [OT] For David CATHEY0 Message-ID: <vf6dnWjQZdg-b1Wi4p2dnA@comcast.com>  F Speaking as one of the few and the brave who ever set up a DNS server C using UCX V3.3, it doesn't take three months.   With slightly more gI modern and better documented software, you should be able to set up your hG own DNS in a week or two.  I highly recommend "DNS and BIND"  by  Paul tI Albitz & Cricket Liu, O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.  (I think this book is nE now in its third or fourth edition, (my copy is dated 1995)).   RFCs -< 1032,  1033, 1034, 1035, & 1183 contain helpful information.   Didier Morandi wrote:m   > JF Mezei wrote:R >N7 >> RFC 821 gives a good overview of the SMTP protocol. S/ >> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc821.txtN >i >o
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