1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 04 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 550       Contents: Re: AMD64 sales figures  Re: AMD64 sales figures  RE: AMD64 sales figures  RE: AMD64 sales figures  RE: AMD64 sales figures  RE: AMD64 sales figures  Re: AMD64 sales figures / Another huge bug: DECwindows MAIL: include file  Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ? Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ? Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ? DCL improvements Re: DS15 systems have arrived 2 Re: EVA question: How many vdisks should I create?@ Re: Fee Based Email (From Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam...)@ Re: Fee Based Email (From Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam...)$ Re: Missing delta time functionality$ Re: Missing delta time functionality Re: NSlookup bug: flex scanner& OT: Verisign is to fix the DNS debacle Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: SHOW DEVICE/FULL DSA# Simple question : foum DCL -> ici ? ' Re: Simple question : foum DCL -> ici ?  Re: Virtul Tape DriverP Re: You'd think that HP would let people know about VMS. How about it Rich, Mark  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:55:58 -0400 ' From: Nose Hair <nose.hair@anatomy.org>   Subject: Re: AMD64 sales figures+ Message-ID: <3F7E60DE.FFA784E2@anatomy.org>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > ...with the exception that the VEL (VAX Emulation Layer) is necessary to > make up for said lack.  N It has been confirmed by many here in the past that since the Pentium version,+ the 8086 has had the 4 modes needed by VMS.   L However, if you run VSM as a windows application, then perhaps those 4 modesM are not available to the application sicne Windows doesn't enable them at the H hardware level. But VMS could be native on the 8086 and use its 4 modes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:55:24 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>  Subject: Re: AMD64 sales figures. Message-ID: <3F7EA71C.31879.8E693FD@localhost>  * On 3 Oct 2003 at 12:15, Bob Koehler wrote:F >    The only reason that Charon is pratical is because it's emulatingJ >    such slow processors and processor speed has increased so much in the >    meantime.  / Let's all chant, "Moore's Law is our friend"...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:13:13 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: RE: AMD64 sales figures9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEPMICAA.tom@kednos.com>   8 Stan, what is the equivalent Alpha to a 4.3 GHz Pentium? (Running VMS, of course)   >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Stanley F. Quayle [mailto:stan@stanq.com]) >Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:55 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! >Subject: Re: AMD64 sales figures  >  > + >On 3 Oct 2003 at 12:15, Bob Koehler wrote: G >>    The only reason that Charon is pratical is because it's emulating K >>    such slow processors and processor speed has increased so much in the  >>    meantime.  > 0 >Let's all chant, "Moore's Law is our friend"... >  >--Stan Quayle >Quayle Consulting Inc.  >  >---------- D >Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-16712 >8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147> >Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:45:57 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>  Subject: RE: AMD64 sales figures. Message-ID: <3F7EB2F5.29537.914DE81@localhost>  ( On 4 Oct 2003 at 8:13, Tom Linden wrote:: > Stan, what is the equivalent Alpha to a 4.3 GHz Pentium? > (Running VMS, of course)  @ I don't have any data at the moment.  Once I know, I'll let you  know...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:54:16 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: RE: AMD64 sales figures9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEPNICAA.tom@kednos.com>   J Well, I brought it up not only out of curiosity, but in a previous postingI Bob K said that the _only_ (my emphasis)reason ... was the VAXes were so  H slow.  I  don't see it that way.  To me it is a black box that runs VMS;) hence, my question regarding performance.    >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Stanley F. Quayle [mailto:stan@stanq.com]) >Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:46 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! >Subject: RE: AMD64 sales figures  >  > ) >On 4 Oct 2003 at 8:13, Tom Linden wrote: ; >> Stan, what is the equivalent Alpha to a 4.3 GHz Pentium?  >> (Running VMS, of course)  > A >I don't have any data at the moment.  Once I know, I'll let you   >know... >  >--Stan Quayle >Quayle Consulting Inc.  >  >---------- D >Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-16712 >8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147> >Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:32:42 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: RE: AMD64 sales figures9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEPOICAA.tom@kednos.com>   @ I would have thought that you might have empirically determined " that (with certain qualifications) x Ghz Alpha = y Ghz Pentium    >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Stanley F. Quayle [mailto:stan@stanq.com]) >Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:46 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! >Subject: RE: AMD64 sales figures  >  > ) >On 4 Oct 2003 at 8:13, Tom Linden wrote: ; >> Stan, what is the equivalent Alpha to a 4.3 GHz Pentium?  >> (Running VMS, of course)  > A >I don't have any data at the moment.  Once I know, I'll let you   >know... >  >--Stan Quayle >Quayle Consulting Inc.  >  >---------- D >Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-16712 >8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147> >Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:29:32 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: AMD64 sales figures' Message-ID: <3F7F037C.19838380@fsi.net>    Nose Hair wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:L > > ...with the exception that the VEL (VAX Emulation Layer) is necessary to > > make up for said lack. > P > It has been confirmed by many here in the past that since the Pentium version,- > the 8086 has had the 4 modes needed by VMS.  > N > However, if you run VSM as a windows application, then perhaps those 4 modesO > are not available to the application sicne Windows doesn't enable them at the J > hardware level. But VMS could be native on the 8086 and use its 4 modes.  
 New alias JF?   G Actually, I'd expect the VEL to synthesize anything it needs, much like 1 PALcode makes up for certain things in AlphaLand.   = Also, as I understand it, the other two major challenges are:   : - only 16 IRQs in PC "architecture" (quoted intentionally) - the 80x86 addressing scheme    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 04:00:58 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Another huge bug: DECwindows MAIL: include file) Message-ID: <3F7E7E21.10219CD6@istop.com>   I Ok, I seem to be finding bugs in VMS at a faster rate that people produce  viruses for Microsoft :-)   G VAX VMS 7.2. In DECwindows MAIL, while composing a message, if I try to N include a VMS file (FILE ->INCLUDE FILE),  I am not allowed to include a fully? readable log file from an executing job because it is locked...   K So I must open a decterm windown, type the log file, then cut and paste the + contents into the decwindows mail edit box.   N Why would decwindows mail try to open the file with exclusive access (probably" write) just to read its contents ?    M Sue, get your whip, and find the engineer responsible for this and get him to * fix this quick :-) ;-) ;-) ;-) :-) ;-) ;-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:03:12 +02000 From: " INFORMENTOR AB" <informentor@swipnet.se>' Subject: Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ? 4 Message-ID: <F0wfb.3967$d1.2184@nntpserver.swip.net>  2 The 17-03916-03 is  equal to the BN31G type cable.K The BN31G is stated as a "General purpose" SCSI-2 cable, however BN21K is a  differential SCSI cable.K Donno what's the difference between the cables, but both are valid in RA310  configurations (AFAIK). H According to the BN21K problems, perhaps they're both malicious (however very unlikely). 4 Another reason could be  a SCSI termination problem.K Have you tried a combination with BN21K and  Y-cable together with external  SCSI termination? 3 What SCSI-adapter do you use? Internal termination?    Regards  Bo  > PS. If you'll need BN21K 10m cables, Y-cables and terminators, I've them in stock.     6 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> skrev i meddelandet! news:3F7D3E70.17B4DC54@aaa.com...  > Hi. 3 > I'v had great problem to connect a RAID Array 310 # > (SWXRA) disk subsystem to a DS10.  > 1 > According to all knowledge, the cable should be , > the "BN21K-xx" type, but I can not get any7 > connection with that one (tried two BN21K-03 cables).  > 6 > The cable that *does* work, is called "17-03916-03",8 > but we have problems finding that one in longer (> 1m)5 > lenghts. We aren't even sure that the "17-cable" is 7 > a true diff SCSI cable. I'v tried two of these cables  > and both worked, b.t.w.  > ; > Now, I'd like to hear from anyone using a RAID Array 310,  > and what cable you use.  >  > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:14:41 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ' Subject: Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ? ' Message-ID: <3F7EABA1.25CED34B@aaa.com>   @ It's a "standard" SCSI adapter, can't remeber the name, but it's= the same that is avilable in single ended SCSI also. The only A difference is some added circuit on bord and the line terminators 8 (that are installed, b.t.w). And, yes, the 17-cable is a: "single ended" cable. According to another contact I have,6 both single ended and diff cables can be very similar.C Anyway, my currect distributor is doing some further investigations @ an this matter. In this case the RA310 will be within 1-2 metersC from the DS10, so maybe the 17-cable is just fine, but if we'd like C to go closer to the 25 meter diff SCSI limit, we'd be in trouble...   	 Jan-Erik.    INFORMENTOR AB wrote:  > 4 > The 17-03916-03 is  equal to the BN31G type cable.M > The BN31G is stated as a "General purpose" SCSI-2 cable, however BN21K is a  > differential SCSI cable.M > Donno what's the difference between the cables, but both are valid in RA310  > configurations (AFAIK). J > According to the BN21K problems, perhaps they're both malicious (however > very unlikely). 6 > Another reason could be  a SCSI termination problem.M > Have you tried a combination with BN21K and  Y-cable together with external  > SCSI termination? 5 > What SCSI-adapter do you use? Internal termination?  > 	 > Regards  > Bo > @ > PS. If you'll need BN21K 10m cables, Y-cables and terminators, > I've them in stock.  > 8 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> skrev i meddelandet# > news:3F7D3E70.17B4DC54@aaa.com...  > > Hi. 5 > > I'v had great problem to connect a RAID Array 310 % > > (SWXRA) disk subsystem to a DS10.  > > 3 > > According to all knowledge, the cable should be . > > the "BN21K-xx" type, but I can not get any9 > > connection with that one (tried two BN21K-03 cables).  > > 8 > > The cable that *does* work, is called "17-03916-03",: > > but we have problems finding that one in longer (> 1m)7 > > lenghts. We aren't even sure that the "17-cable" is 9 > > a true diff SCSI cable. I'v tried two of these cables  > > and both worked, b.t.w.  > > = > > Now, I'd like to hear from anyone using a RAID Array 310,  > > and what cable you use.  > > 
 > > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:01:11 +02000 From: " INFORMENTOR AB" <informentor@swipnet.se>' Subject: Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ? 4 Message-ID: <9eBfb.3986$d1.2040@nntpserver.swip.net>  D I suppose it's the KZPBA-CB diff SCSI-adapter? [KZPBA-CA (CX) is SE]( IIRC KZPBA is software terminated ?? ok?? Correct termination in both ends?  Check HSZ20 jumper settings?    Bo  6 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> skrev i meddelandet! news:3F7EABA1.25CED34B@aaa.com... B > It's a "standard" SCSI adapter, can't remeber the name, but it's? > the same that is avilable in single ended SCSI also. The only C > difference is some added circuit on bord and the line terminators : > (that are installed, b.t.w). And, yes, the 17-cable is a< > "single ended" cable. According to another contact I have,8 > both single ended and diff cables can be very similar.E > Anyway, my currect distributor is doing some further investigations B > an this matter. In this case the RA310 will be within 1-2 metersE > from the DS10, so maybe the 17-cable is just fine, but if we'd like E > to go closer to the 25 meter diff SCSI limit, we'd be in trouble...  >  > Jan-Erik.  >  > INFORMENTOR AB wrote:  > > 6 > > The 17-03916-03 is  equal to the BN31G type cable.J > > The BN31G is stated as a "General purpose" SCSI-2 cable, however BN21K is a > > differential SCSI cable.I > > Donno what's the difference between the cables, but both are valid in  RA310  > > configurations (AFAIK). L > > According to the BN21K problems, perhaps they're both malicious (however > > very unlikely). 8 > > Another reason could be  a SCSI termination problem.F > > Have you tried a combination with BN21K and  Y-cable together with external > > SCSI termination? 7 > > What SCSI-adapter do you use? Internal termination?  > >  > > Regards  > > Bo > > B > > PS. If you'll need BN21K 10m cables, Y-cables and terminators, > > I've them in stock.  > > : > > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> skrev i meddelandet% > > news:3F7D3E70.17B4DC54@aaa.com... 	 > > > Hi. 7 > > > I'v had great problem to connect a RAID Array 310 ' > > > (SWXRA) disk subsystem to a DS10.  > > > 5 > > > According to all knowledge, the cable should be 0 > > > the "BN21K-xx" type, but I can not get any; > > > connection with that one (tried two BN21K-03 cables).  > > > : > > > The cable that *does* work, is called "17-03916-03",< > > > but we have problems finding that one in longer (> 1m)9 > > > lenghts. We aren't even sure that the "17-cable" is ; > > > a true diff SCSI cable. I'v tried two of these cables  > > > and both worked, b.t.w.  > > > ? > > > Now, I'd like to hear from anyone using a RAID Array 310,  > > > and what cable you use.  > > >  > > > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:36:08 +0200( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> Subject: DCL improvements 9 Message-ID: <blmifo$e1rvk$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>    Guy,  K now that you convinced us all that DCL is the way to go I'd like to suggest  a few improvements:   J 1) a WHILE statement that allows building loops a little better than using GOTO's:   #     WHILE <boolean expression> [DO]      .      .      ENDWHILE  A     The keyword DO is optional, it serves no syntactical purpose. J     A FOR statement ( la ALGOL60) would be equally fine but offers little more functionality.   K 2) IIRC you mentioned a CASE statement as well. Though it simplifies coding B multiple evaluations of expressions, it may also slow down the DCL1 processor. If so, I'd happily do without CASE :-)   L 3) A CHECK command would be nice: it would check the syntax of a DCL command( procedure without actually executing it.  K 4) F$GETDVI("<diskdevice>","AVL") returns an error message when a device is J not available, and crash the DCL code. Would it break other software if it would return FALSE instead?   J 5) Is it possible to implement FUNCTIONs with parameters that allow return values?        FUNCTION FUNC(I,J)     .      .      RETURN  (I+J)     
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:32:20 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) & Subject: Re: DS15 systems have arrivedL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0410030841380001@user-uinj48j.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <d7791aa1.0310030512.27fb9f05@posting.google.com>, ) bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:   A >rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in message H news:<rdeininger-0210031915220001@user-uinj0me.dialup.mindspring.com>...5 >> The DS15 has appeared on the alphaserver web page:  >  >is there going to be a DS15L?   No.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:50:57 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: EVA question: How many vdisks should I create? 2 Message-ID: <8eGdnYB3Xof8ceOiU-KYuA@metrocast.net>  D "Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)" <yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message news:2003Oct1.084323@hujicc...H > > It would be kind of surprising if the EVA couldn't maintain a common reserve L > > of spares (exactly as many as it would use for one big group) and parcel; > > them out to whichever group(s) needed them as required.  > E > I do not have a hot spare. Instead, when a disk gets broken the EVA 
 recomputesJ > the data on it, re-level the other disks, and when done you are again at the H > optimaum  level (i.e. the next disk can fail...). However, you need to have1 > enough spare disk space in each group for this.   K Too bad:  while with small groups the bandwidth and/or IOPS provided by not I having an idle spare can be significant, once you get over a dozen or two F disks it's lost in the noise - while being able to use spares flexiblyK across multiple groups remains useful.  I'd have expected EVA to offer both  options.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2003 07:48:32 GMT < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)I Subject: Re: Fee Based Email (From Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam...) 0 Message-ID: <bllu0g$559$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  J In article <bll0tv$8rn$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:J >Just thought of another flaw with this approach of looking for <CR>.<CR> 	 >packets.  > J >Encryption. A fair number of systems are now encrypting the whole virtualN >SMTP connection between their central mailhubs and any other central mailhubsL >which support TLS/SSL with SMTP. Admittedly the number of systems currently2 >doing this is relatively small but it is growing.I >Since the whole virtual connection is encrypted you cannot look into the ) >packets for a sequence such as <CR>.<CR>   N There are two points: if it is a completely encrypted channel it requires someL sort of mutual consent between the two endpoints. Here I wouldn't expect anyN spam, so no need for any fee. If the mail as such is encrypted but transferred0 via SMTP we have still the <CR>.<CR> at the end.  K >Admittedly you might be able to get around this by looking instead for the I >initial setting up of the encrypted channel but this gets messy as their L >is more than one way of setting this up and you would also still need to be* >looking for normal unencrypted smtp mail.  O There are two different things: one is the principle (here: how do I succeed in B charging the sender for the traffic it produces) and the technicalN implementation. I am open to any other technical suggestions but at the moment+ I think the <CR>.<CR> approach is the best.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2003 07:52:09 GMT < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)I Subject: Re: Fee Based Email (From Re: Process's PreciseMail AntiSpam...) 0 Message-ID: <bllu79$559$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  J In article <bll4r1$a3n$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:M >No spammer sends out those numbers of mail messages. They would tie up their  >machines for too long.   C This depends. There are sites in the world that live from spamming.   O >The spammer sends out a very few mail messages with large numbers of envelope  K >recipients and lets other systems generate all the separate mail messages.   K The spam that I see has mostly around 10 to 20 envelope recipients, most of  them directed to our domain.  L >That's the other problem with your idea. International net company A has noL >idea of the context of the packet it is seeing hence it has no idea whetherO >this packet is part of a mail message destined for one user at the destination M >system or a 1000 users at the destination system. Most modern mailhubs don't A >split a message to multiple recipients until they are forced to. F >If mailhub A has received a message for 100 people  - 50 of whom are > >of the form user@company-x.com and 50 of whom are of the formL >user@company-y.com it will generate two mail messages with the appropriate E >envelope recipient addresses and forward them onto the mailhubs for  ! >company-x.com and company-y.com. N >Only when they arrive at these company's mailhubs will further splitting into# >multiple mail messages take place.   M This will only work if the mail-hub is something like an open-relay. I'm sure I these open relays will disappear if they have to pay for their "service".    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:17:27 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> - Subject: Re: Missing delta time functionality ' Message-ID: <3F7EAC47.EF22F640@aaa.com>   . > On 2003-10-03 19:15, "Keith A. Lewis" wrote: > O > > And what happens if a>b?  I guess there's no such thing as a negative delta 	 > > time.   " What about "before" vs. "after" ??  : You might not know in advance if "a" happend before "b" or> if it was the other way around. I can see how a neg delta time could make sense...   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:13:03 +0200( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>- Subject: Re: Missing delta time functionality 9 Message-ID: <blmh4e$dc04g$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   < "Marc Van Dyck" <marc.vandyck@brutele.be> schreef in bericht3 news:mesnews.1c4f7d3a.2b8d5487.70.584@brutele.be...  > "H Vlems" avait prtendu :5 > > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com> schreef in bericht $ > > news:3F7D996D.31EB0B51@hp.com...L > >> In the technical update day in the Netherlands it was mentioned that it+ > >> is hard to do delta time calculations. F > >> In VMS V7.3-2 we added new lexical function F$DELTA_TIME. See the > >> following example:  > >> > >> BLUSKY> a=f$time()  > >> BLUSKY> b=f$time()  > >> BLUSKY> sh sym a $ > >>   A = " 3-OCT-2003 17:39:58.54" > >> BLUSKY> sh sym b $ > >>   B = " 3-OCT-2003 17:40:23.22"* > >> BLUSKY> write sys$output f$delta(a,b) > >>    0 00:00:24.68  > >>K > >> Considering F$DELTA and F$CVTIME what other functionality do you think + > >> is missing for delta time calcualtion? L > >> We are currently planning the new features for next VMS version so here) > >> is your chance to affect the future.  > >>( > >> Responde here or just send me mail. > >>
 > >> Regards,  > >> > >> Guy Peleg > >> OpenVMS Engineering > >> > > Guy  > > L > > at that particular meeting it was suggested that adding delta times to a" > > "normal" time would be useful: > >  > > $ a=f$time() > > $ b=f$time() > > $ dt=f$delta(a,b)  > > $ ft=f$delta_add(a,dt) > > H > > The result stored in ft could then be used to perform tasks at exact times. > >  > > Hans > + > Can't you do that with f$cvtime already ?  >  > Marc.   K Not that I'm aware of. Now I'm also kind of lazy so it may be possible with % CVTIME if one really would want that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:00:52 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: NSlookup bug: flex scanner ) Message-ID: <3F7E6203.7E86554D@istop.com>    "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:; >   fatal flex scanner internal error--end of buffer missed , > > %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 00000002 > > $  >  > JF-  > N > I tried to reproduce this problem but I don't have a machine with a scanner.  P It isn't the scanner you need, it is the exercise equipment to flex your abs :-)    N > I also checked the cabinet and it doesn't appear that any of our buffers are
 > missing; > they are all accounted for.     K Interestingly, on my all mighty Microvax II with TCPIP 5.0, typing <CTRL-C> M yields the "CANCEL" text on the screen but nothing else. Then, when you press L RETURN, it responds with a prompt of "Unrecognized command>". I typed "help"D and then once done, it returned to the normal nslookup prompt of ">"    K So it seems that the 5.1 code didn't quite handle control-C at all, and 5.3 - handles it by having that flex-scanner error.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:14:54 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: OT: Verisign is to fix the DNS debacle ( Message-ID: <3F7E654D.5A5114A@istop.com>  M ICANN is getting more agressive.  It's actually threatening Verisign now with P breach of contract and giving Verisign until tomorrow evening to get rid of Site Finder. ? http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm 7 http://www.icann.org/announcements/advisory-03oct03.htm   H In response, Verisign says it'll shut down Site Finder but maintains itsN change did not have any impact. Over 40 million redirects to their pay-pr-view web site since Spet 15. : http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/3087071  C Seems that verisign thinks that the internet is only about the web.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:31:55 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats! 0 Message-ID: <3F7E938B.6CFECD91@sture.homeip.net>   Thierry Dussuet wrote: > D > In article <bli384.2js.1@in_cog_ni_to_.com>, Peter Khlmann wrote: >  > [...]  > D > > Hef you ficurd out wat ve most do to clash zer OE ploglams yezt? > > E > > You cally on mit dat und, /I/ /VIL/ /ARSK/ /ZE/ /QVESTIONS/ /UND/   > > /ZEY/ /VIL/ /ANSSER/ /ZEM/!! > 0 > Should one feel bad if one is able to read it? >  Nine :-)   --   Ahmed  L-L-Langstrasse dry foonf    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:59:57 +0200( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>! Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FULL DSA 9 Message-ID: <blmqte$e4dr0$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:bli0lr$m8r$1@online.de... H > What determines whether SHOW DEVICE/FULL DSA shows "generic SCSI disk", > or the actual model of (one of) the disks? > F > Usually, I see "generic SCSI disk", but I have two shadow sets (bothF > members connected to a node running 7.2-1 ALPHA; two different nodesJ > show this behaviour)  where the model number of one of disks is shown (IH > think it is NOT the one specified as BOOTDEF_DEV in the case where theE > model numbers are different.)  From VAX, I always see "generic SCSI H > disk", even for one of the both-members-connected-to-ALPHA shadow setsE > mentioned above which is also mounted on a VAX in the same cluster.  > J > I have another shadow set which shows up as "generic SCSI disk" from VAXA > and ALPHA; one member is connected to a VAX and one to an ALPHA    Phillip   I shadow sets must (still) contain identical devices so AFAIK the DS device K can inherit the device type from its members. This is what I see on AXP/VMS  7.3 (no patches):   4 $ pipe sho dev/full dk | sear sys$pipe "Device type"H Disk $8$DKA0:, device type DEC RZ1BB-CS, is online, member of shadow set DSA1:,F Disk $8$DKA100:, device type IBM-PCCO DGHS09Y !#, is online, member of shadowF Disk $8$DKA200:, device type IBM-PCCO DGHS09Y !#, is online, member of shadowI Disk $8$DKA400:, device type IBM OEM 0662S12, is online, member of shadow  set I Disk $8$DKA500: (ERBIUM), device type DEC RRD46, is online, file-oriented  $ 4 $ pipe sho dev/full ds | sear sys$pipe "Device type"L Disk DSA0:, device type Generic SCSI disk, is online, mounted, file-orientedG Disk DSA1:, device type DEC RZ1BB-CS, is online, mounted, file-oriented  device, L Disk DSA2:, device type Generic SCSI disk, is online, mounted, file-oriented $ 
 $ sh dev d  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans Mnt L  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt L DSA0:                   Mounted              0  PACK8         16908030     1 1 L DSA1:                   Mounted              0  AXPVMSRL873    2398184   332 1 L DSA2:                   Mounted              0  USER8          1715691     1 1 A $8$DKA0:      (ERBIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA1:) A $8$DKA100:    (ERBIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) A $8$DKA200:    (ERBIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) A $8$DKA400:    (ERBIUM)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA2:) . $8$DKA500:    (ERBIUM)  Online wrtlck        0. $8$DVA0:      (ERBIUM)  Online               0  J It seems as if VMS only copies DEC disks to the device type field of a DSAJ device. Even for DSA2, which is a single member shadow set, the IBM device description is not copied.   Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:26:34 +0200. From: "Nicol@s" <ne_me_repondez_pas_par_email>, Subject: Simple question : foum DCL -> ici ?B Message-ID: <3f7eae6f$0$26028$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-01.noos.net>  G Salut  tous, j'aimerais de l'aide pour rediger un script DCL servant  6 compiler automatiquement des fichiers Fortran sous VMS  F O dois-je regarder ??? Existe-t-il un forum dedi ou puis-je poser ma question ici ?   bye  Nicol@s    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:12:00 +0200 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>0 Subject: Re: Simple question : foum DCL -> ici ?* Message-ID: <blmkmk$cvm$1@reader11.wxs.nl>   Nicol@s wrote:I > Salut  tous, j'aimerais de l'aide pour rediger un script DCL servant  8 > compiler automatiquement des fichiers Fortran sous VMS > H > O dois-je regarder ??? Existe-t-il un forum dedi ou puis-je poser ma > question ici ? >  > bye 	 > Nicol@s  >  >  Bonjour Nicolas,  H C'est que la langue anglaise est la langue de prference dans ce forum, G et au mme temps DCL est une forme bizarre de la langue angaise. Alors   voil:  F For automatic compilation and linking of Fortran files, a tool called G MMS (Module Management System) is prescribed. Much alike to Unix make,  E it generates and uses scripts and is very flexible for management of  7 your system modules. It does not come for free however.   H I recall that lots of useful scripts and tooling is avaiable on the VMS I hobby CD. Start looking at www.openvms.org, and you'll find some goodies  	 I'm sure.   
 Wilm Boerhout6. remove OLD PAINT from return address to reply.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:53:07 -0400y* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Re: Virtul Tape Driverv. Message-ID: <3F7EA693.17855.8E47DFB@localhost>  , On 2 Oct 2003 at 18:47, Tim Llewellyn wrote:? > Presumably commercial use will require purchase of additionalr= > licenses for OpenVMS VAX and any layered products required.o  C Existing licenses can be transferred for a CHARON-VAX system.  The a- other options require totally new licenses...e  
 --Stan Quaylee Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671-1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147h= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:27:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: You'd think that HP would let people know about VMS. How about it Rich, MarkD) Message-ID: <3F7E6851.83C51A3C@istop.com>e  2 > > The words "criminal negligence" come to mind..  8 http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3087091  L Article that explains that a lawsuit has supposedly been filed in CaliforniaJ against Microsoft. Interesting discussion on the end use license agreementN which everyone is supposed to read before using Windows which puts the onlu onJ the use to patch his system. While "experts" think microsoft won't be held- liable, it will force it to clean up its act..   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.550 ************************