1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 06 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 553       Contents: Re: %MOUNT-W-INCONSIZE Re: %MOUNT-W-INCONSIZE Re: AMD64 sales figures 3 Re: Another huge bug: DECwindows MAIL: include file 3 Re: Another huge bug: DECwindows MAIL: include file  Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ?, Cluster shutdown to avoind shadow merge/copy0 Re: Data Center Calculator - or costs in general Re: DS15 systems have arrived  Re: DS15 systems have arrived  ODBTP on VMS ?> OT: Don't use the word "begin" when sending to Microsoft users Question about SMTP.CONFIG Re: Question about SMTP.CONFIG Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: shadowing the system disk  Re: SHOW DEVICE/FULL DSA Re: Sun takes a hit  Re: Sun takes a hit  Re: Sun takes a hit  Re: Sun takes a hit  Re: VMS system on the web N Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownN Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownN Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownN Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownN Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownN Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownN Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownP Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown sP Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown sP Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown sP Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown sP Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown sP Re: You'd think that HP would let people know about VMS. How about it Rich, Mark  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:40:47 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: %MOUNT-W-INCONSIZE L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0510031450070001@user-uinj4rq.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <blp55l$eia5c$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "H Vlems"  <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:   M >"Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> 2 >schreef in bericht news:blov67$2qu$1@online.de...7 >> Further adventures of a hobbyist cluster, continued.  >>D >> Experimenting with a VAX 4000 100A, I have a BA350 hooked up.  ItE >> appears to have some sort of DSSI-to-SCSI adapter attached, and is K >> attached to the big multi-function connector on the back of the machine.  >  >Is it a DWZZA-nn perhaps?  B DWZZA is differential SCSI to single-ended (narrow) SCSI.  I think DSSI-to-SCSI devices are HSDnn.    >>2 >> The system disk on this machine is a DSSI disk. >>H >> I stuck in a couple of RZ28-VA disks, powered up the BA350, and did a >> SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL. >>J >> SHOW DEVICE now reports a different controller name than for the systemH >> disk (i.e. the "node name" in parentheses after the device name).  ItH >> also has an allocation class which is the same as another node in the >> cluster. I >The DSSI/SCSI bus converter behaves similar to an HSC50 in a CI cluster. M >Where a DSSI disk has its own built-in controller that lets you set ALLCLASS J >etc., SCSI disks do not have that feature of course. The DWZZA does that.G >IIRC it also allows you to assign device names to the disks, so if you E >prefer DUA names instead of DIA then the DWZZA will do that as well.   D DWZZA devices are completely passive.  They don't supply ALLCLASS orH change device names.  But I don't think he has a DWZZA in this location,
 see above.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:45:53 +1000U From: "Antony Wardle" <remove_clothes_antony.wardle@_remove_clothers_optusnet.com.au>  Subject: Re: %MOUNT-W-INCONSIZE < Message-ID: <3f80c955$0$12000$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  > Probably means that the slot is configured for a 1Gb disk, and& you've now got something larger in it.  > The disk controller is probably an HSD10 or something similer.  > Is there a port that you can plug a terminal into? should lookB like an mmj plug. This is in the BA itself. Takes up the top slot.  5 You could alway pull it out and make it scsi instead.    kiwi       > J > The two SCSI disks seem to be OK otherwise (i.e. when connected directlyJ > to a SCSI controller, they appear to work).  MOUNT on the VAX now gives: > J >    %MOUNT-W-INCONSIZE, inconsistent number of blocks reported, some data >    may not be accessible > G > What causes this message?  Should I worry about it?  What can I do to 
 > prevent it?  >      --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2003 22:00:48 -0700 . From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)  Subject: Re: AMD64 sales figures= Message-ID: <7500353b.0310052100.3e1e3177@posting.google.com>   ` "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3F7EB2F5.29537.914DE81@localhost>...* > On 4 Oct 2003 at 8:13, Tom Linden wrote:< > > Stan, what is the equivalent Alpha to a 4.3 GHz Pentium? > > (Running VMS, of course) > B > I don't have any data at the moment.  Once I know, I'll let you 	 > know...    >  > --Stan Quayle   ' I think me meant Pentium 4 having 3Ghz.   > However, to continue on the issue Stan, can Charon-Vax emulateD alpha-code on intel pc ? Afaik not because Alpha is 64 bit and intel: 32. Now, could it emulate Alpha on AMD64 ? Or at Itanium ?   M    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:18:42 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>< Subject: Re: Another huge bug: DECwindows MAIL: include file0 Message-ID: <3F80C2F2.7EA7E40B@sture.homeip.net>   Paul Sture wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  >  > <snip> > O > > my complaint still stands: DECW$MAIL should open files for include with the 2 > > right flags to enable it to include log files. > . > In that case, can we also have that for EDT? >   ? No. Sorry, I'll take that back on the grounds that there may be 6 bits of DCL out there which rely on current bahaviour.  D Not only extra CLD options required, but modification to the commandH line stuf in EDT. I have not sen the sources for EDT, but I surmise that it is a non-trivial task.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:12:34 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: Another huge bug: DECwindows MAIL: include file) Message-ID: <3F80B35A.C63FF8F9@istop.com>    Paul Sture wrote: A > No. Sorry, I'll take that back on the grounds that there may be 8 > bits of DCL out there which rely on current bahaviour.  S DCL doesn't need to be changed. It already has the right switches (notably /SHARE).   K What needs to be changed are applications such as DECW$MAIL which currently K require exclusive access to a file for a read only operation. By adding the M right share flag, they could then open log files as long as the writer of the : log file has specified that it is ok to read the log file.  K I am not sure about EDT. Doesn't EDT do random access to a text file during L the edit session as you scroll up and down ?  I could see it being a problemN if EDT thinks the file is 100 lines long, but during an edit session, the fileJ grows to 200 lines. TPU takes one snapshot of the file into memory (or the" page file when memory is limited).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:32:39 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ' Subject: Re: Cable for RAID Array 310 ? ' Message-ID: <3F808DF7.12981F33@aaa.com>    Jeff Morgan wrote: > K > Now, does anyone know where I can get a new cache battery? I haven't gone M > inside the box yet, but I fear it may be a difficult part since the owner's K > manual says "call Digital and your field service rep will bring you a new  > HSZ20 controller"   F I changed batteries in two RA310s just a week ago. I got the betteries from my ) "standard" distributor/brooker in Sweden.    Now to the funny part...H The batteries in the HZS20 are the same as in the some of the larger HSZH controlers. And the only battery that you can get for a reasonable cost,: is the one that is plug-n-play ready for the larger HSZ's.  F To change the battery in the HSZ20 you need, besides of the "standard" tools,D screwdriver and so on, a soldering iron and a small vise to hold the battery.E In the HSZ20, the battery is connected to the controler using a short  cable.F The cable is soldered to the battery poles and has to be moved over toC the new battery. The cable has an plug in the controler end, so the  battery C can be unpluged and moved out of the controler with the cable still  mounted.  D Nothing difficult, but a soldering iron has become quite rare in the
 toolbox of the common service tech...   >  > Yikes!   Thats right :-)    > 7 > Apparently, all I can do is jbod without the battery.   F No, you can set the controler to belive that there is a UPS connected.E Then you can run full-function including write-back cache even with a  faultyA battery. Not recomended, but you can... I don't remeber the exact  command, but2 it should be something like "HSZ20> SET THIS ..."      > Can Nice old box though. IK > loaded it with 5 x 18GB SCA-2 IBM drives from Hard Drive Outlet for about  > $50   H Just warning : Don't run the box fully configured without the side plate for E more then a few minutes. There will be no airflow through the drives,  and they! will build up heat *realy fast* !   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2003 15:34:26 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Cluster shutdown to avoind shadow merge/copy 3 Message-ID: <SOI$w$jBbJ0R@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <blpqs4$1j9$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 5 > In article <C0M3HNDEQqWg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > M >> > Since moving cluster-common files to a non-system disk, I encounter the  N >> > following problem when trying to remove a node from the cluster: 6 files M >> > are open on this disk.  Two are opened by the SMISERVER, and I can just  L >> > kill this process.  However, the others are opened by the audit server > >> > and security server, and these objects cannot be deleted. >>   >> $ HELP SET AUDIT/SERVER >> $ HELP SET SERVER/EXIT  >  > OK.  > F > Related question.  Suppose I want to shut down the whole cluster and  2 Not very related, from the solution standpoint :-)  H > bring it back up with no shadow merge or shadow copy.  Assume that theI > problem above applies to all nodes.  If I specify the cluster shutdown, H > will this be enough, or do I need to include the commands above in theF > site-specific shutdown procedure?  Do I need to include a command toJ > dismount the disk in question in the site-specific command procedure? In> > general, is there a need to explicitly dismount disks in the" > site-specific command procedure?   I will try a different subject.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:27:57 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>9 Subject: Re: Data Center Calculator - or costs in general < Message-ID: <hG2gb.3359$7f3.3251@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > John Brandon wrote:  > < >>I am looking for general costs for building a Data Center. >>4 >>I stumbled across this neat calculator on the web:D >>http://www.ellerbebecket.com/static/relatedresources/dctrcost.html >>1 >>However, it assumes I am building from scratch.  >>P >>Anyone have another source for such a thing?  I do not want to pester a vendorQ >>- they will do nothing but call me back about when I am building (pipe dream at G >>best).  I just want something that will allow me to play the numbers.  >  > J > Well, putting aside for a moment the regional variations in union wages,I > costs of permits and such, that seems an awful over-simplification of a D > highly-complex project. Add in the current economic variables, theH > unique challenges of the building you're dealing with, etc. and you've* > got rather a task laid out for yourself. >   ? Not to mention you must take into account future hardware when  F calculating power and cooling for that new data center.  I know of an E instance where they calculated ~150WATTS/sqft when using 4u servers.  H The vendors then came out with 2u then 1u servers and now that original E calculation should have been more like 3-400WATTS/sqft.  Fortunately  F technology is getting better and by using blade servers, they can get E the overall power consumption down a bit.  Cooling is another matter.   3 IIRC, their data center had hundreds of NT servers.    Michael Austin
 Consultant   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Oct 2003 14:39:48 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM>& Subject: Re: DS15 systems have arrived- Message-ID: <86brsv5pp7.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>   / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   b > In article <blkmu8$ddmid$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:2 > > On 2003-10-03 01:06, "Robert Deininger" wrote: > > 7 > >> The DS15 has appeared on the alphaserver web page:  > >>  : > >> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/ds15/index.html > >>  
 > >> [...] > >>  F > >> The QuickSpecs, Overview, Technical Summary, and User's Guide are# > >> available from the above page.  > > I > > That seems to be the first "entry level legacy-free system", i.e., no G > > parallel port and no diskette drive (which I don't miss at all) ...  > ' > It still seems to use a PS2 keyboard.    Is that bad?   I think it's good.   -jav   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2003 17:10:15 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: DS15 systems have arrived3 Message-ID: <2AVCh+YVWHUh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <86brsv5pp7.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM> writes:1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > c >> In article <blkmu8$ddmid$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes: 3 >> > On 2003-10-03 01:06, "Robert Deininger" wrote:  >> >  8 >> >> The DS15 has appeared on the alphaserver web page: >> >> ; >> >> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/ds15/index.html  >> >>  >> >> [...]  >> >> G >> >> The QuickSpecs, Overview, Technical Summary, and User's Guide are $ >> >> available from the above page. >> >  J >> > That seems to be the first "entry level legacy-free system", i.e., noH >> > parallel port and no diskette drive (which I don't miss at all) ... >>  ( >> It still seems to use a PS2 keyboard. >  > Is that bad? >  > I think it's good.  $ Good or bad, I think it is "legacy".   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:52:35 -0400 From: "SP" <nospam@nospam.net> Subject: ODBTP on VMS ? 7 Message-ID: <6X3gb.924$Ys.102781@news20.bellglobal.com>   J     Has anybody tried using sourceforge.net ODBTP on VMS and would like to; share their experience ? It sure looks like a nice package.   E     It seems to be an TCP ODBC package to access ODBC database on Win 
 platforms.  
     Thanks       SP   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:42:27 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>G Subject: OT: Don't use the word "begin" when sending to Microsoft users ' Message-ID: <3F808229.C6E6E0@istop.com>    For a good laugh: ) http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=265230   F (of course this is a microsoft site, so disable javascript, java etc).    N Essentially, you cannot begin a message with the word "begin  " (followed by 2L spaces). If you do, even though the message is marked as text/plain, OutlookM will interpret this as the start of a uuencoded attachement, not realise that M it isn't and will then complain about the attachement being invalid. (instead K of reverting to text/plain the minute the begin header is seen as invalid).   N Microsoft's solution is to use words such as "Commence", or capitalise "Begin"7 to make sure that microsoft users can read the message.   G I can just imagine Rumsfeld sending an important email to his generals:   M "begin   attack on North Korea". The generals would get a blank email :-) :-)  :-) ;-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:55:45 GMT + From: lewis@e.thundermaker.net (Spud Demon) # Subject: Question about SMTP.CONFIG 0 Message-ID: <Rj1gb.45$BH5.88847@news.uswest.net>  0 Suppose I want to set up a VMS mail server that:  0 * Stops spammers from using my server as a relay4 * Accepts mail for my domain from the whole internetI * Accepts mail for the whole internet from SMTP clients (Mozilla) behind  0 my firewall, allowing them to use it as a relay.   Right now I have:   @ Good-Clients: 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, 192.168.1.5 Relay-zones: mydomain.com     $ tcpip set conf smtp /opt=relay   Will this do it?    Any other anti-spam suggestions?  . --Spud Demon		spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:50:17 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Question about SMTP.CONFIG ) Message-ID: <3F80AE23.749DFDCC@istop.com>    Spud Demon wrote: B > Good-Clients: 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, 192.168.1.5 > Relay-zones: mydomain.com   J Correct. I also have the tcpip$smtp_local_aliases.txt populated with localF host names. This allows those hosts to relay. (but not sure if this is included in Relay-zones:)   " > Any other anti-spam suggestions?  N Read the TCPIP Services management manual. It has full description of the SMTP" configuration rules for anti-spam.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:32:33 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats! ) Message-ID: <3F8063C1.341A87A0@istop.com>    d2003xx wrote:F > > The problem with VMS isn't technical, it is its lack of marketing. > 5 > So... It will still die out soon, just like OS/2 :D   N Look at how long OS2 lived in ATMs and banks after IBM annoucned it would stop
 marketing it.   L None of Digital/Compaq/HP have publicly admitted anything about VMS and theyK all promise VMS will continue to be developped and sold. Many will question K their commitment on this, many wonder why, if their statements are true, HP N don't market VMS, but as long as VMS generates enough money to pay for the VMS, development/support, it is safe for a while.  L Also note that because HP and Intel are so desperate with IA64, they are notL about to kill VMS since VMS will generate a few IA64 sales. And they'll need everyone they can get.  L Now, once they have admitted that IA64 was a mistake and they switch to a 64M bit 8086 (which will fulfill the promises of a commodity, low cost enterprise H chip), then the big question is whether they will port VMS to it or not.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2003 15:02:30 -0700 + From: sandra@bluebirds-mad.co.uk (deadl!nk) ' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats! = Message-ID: <dac6f860.0310051402.5f45a8b6@posting.google.com>   u "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message news:<NLAg4WLhPncpF4016E79oy8dByV1631B@ns.1streporter.com>...  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > deadl!nk wrote:  >   < > >> get a life. this is not the place to be advocating vMs. > > 7 > > Look at your headers and see where you are posting,  > > J > > But thanks anyway. Any time in the future that I wish to bid against aJ > > Linux competitor, I will take great joy in quoting your post, with the > > punchline: > > F > > "Can your company afford to be reliant on a foul mouth like this?" >  > Try this:  > K > "Can your company afford to be reliant on a foul mouthed, illiterate oaf,  > like that one?"   . Coming from you K, that's ironic... and funny.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:36:08 +1000U From: "Antony Wardle" <remove_clothes_antony.wardle@_remove_clothers_optusnet.com.au> & Subject: Re: shadowing the system disk; Message-ID: <3f80c90b$0$9554$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>    Thanks to everyone who replied.   / It was the allocation class that I was missing!    cheers   antony       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:43:09 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ! Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FULL DSA ( Message-ID: <blq6pt$c2d$1@pcls4.std.com>  * "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes:  F >> No, the requirement for identical drives was dropped long ago.  TheE >> current requirement is that device MAXBLOCKS must be the same, but # >> even this will change real soon.    >On AXP/VMS 7.3:   >$ ini/sys dka100 user8 % >$ mou/sys dsa2:/shad=$8$dka100 user8 * >%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, USER8 mounted on _DSA2:L >%MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$8$DKA100: (ERBIUM) failed as a member of the shadow >set4 >-SYSTEM-F-INCSHAMEM, incompatible shadow set memberD >%MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$8$DKA400: (ERBIUM) is a member of the shadow set >$6 >$ pipe sho dev ds/full | sear sys$pipe "total blocks": >    Total blocks            17774160    Sectors per track >32 : >    Total blocks             4110480    Sectors per track >86 : >    Total blocks             2055035    Sectors per track >108 >$M >The devices listed in the PIPE command are DSA0, DSA1 and DSA2. $8$DKA100 is 
 >a 9 GB disk.     E You don't show what the block count of $8$DKA100 so I can't tell what C shadowing is complaining about, but I was part of the shadow driver H rewrite project in VMS Engineering several years ago and the requirementJ for identical drives was already gone at that time.  (I regularly shadowedG RF73 and RZ73 disks.  Entirely different interfaces (DSSI and SCSI) but D same HDA under it all and thus same MAXBLOCKS.  Others shadowed real drives and memory "disks")  G Remember, currently MAXBLOCKS must be _exactly_ the same, thus disks of F the "same" size (but not exactly the same) such as RZ28M's and RZ28C's might not work together. --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:48:21 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Sun takes a hit0 Message-ID: <3F80BBD5.48E04D85@sture.homeip.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <3F7FF321.64F09CCE@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  > 6 > > It all sounds like dot com boom economics to me... > > K > > Come on Keith, we know you aren't daft. Please explain the economics of 
 > > this one.  > F > On non-technical posts, I am under the impression that Keith is justF > making us aware of material from others that he learns about.  KeithF > can speak authoritatively about technical details of VMS, but on the@ > economics questions you ask he is not operating those circles.   Understood Larry.   F But it still does not stop me from criticising HP when I feel they are not doing it quite right.   	 To Keith:   G Apologies are due here to Keith. I do not seek to attack you personally E (very much the opposite in fact), but please understand that when you ? post HP advertising blurb, you are bound to get a little flack.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2003 19:12:18 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: Sun takes a hit3 Message-ID: <YvHpfYU2zLOj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3F7FF321.64F09CCE@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  > Keith Parris wrote:  >>  i >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<POztxxIPltF8@eisner.encompasserve.org>... 9 >> >       It isn't starting to set, it has been setting.  >>  > >> TheStreet.com says It's been a very, very bad week for Sun.? >> http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/kcswanson/10117341.html  >>  3 >> Motley Fool says it's been Sun's Nightmare Week. o >> http://www.fool.com/news/mft/2003/mft03100317.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y&bounce=y&bounce2=y  >>  B >> "On Monday, the computer maker issued an earnings warning whileH >> tacking on a $1.05 billion charge to last quarter. Yesterday, MerrillC >> Lynch analyst Steve Milunovich sent a hostile open letter to the C >> company's board stating that 'Sun faces a crisis.' And now this: B >> Friday morning, Hewlett Packard announced that it would pay Sun? >> customers $25,000 to switch to HP computers running Linux OS 
 >> freeware."  > B > But this is something I don't get. Why is HP pushing Linux as anH > alternative to Solaris rather than HP-UX, or even, heaven forbid, VMS? > A > Why not give those away and go for the software maintenance and  > consulting revenue?  > 
 > ???????? > 4 > It all sounds like dot com boom economics to me... > I > Come on Keith, we know you aren't daft. Please explain the economics of  > this one.  >   C 	It's easy.  Linux has a number of advantages, even IBM admits that @ 	and is spending a good deal of money to prove it is the future.: 	Among the advantages are low-cost OS running on commodity@ 	hardware.  A very good place for an application to move to.  If@ 	you're going to switch Unixes , doesn't make much sense to moveD 	to a Unix that isn't Linux and isn't running on commodity hardware.A 	As an exercise, you can visit online traderags and read a number = 	of migrations to Linux from other Unixes.  You would be VERY < 	hard-pressed to find migrations from Linux to other Unixes.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:33:01 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Sun takes a hit) Message-ID: <3F80B824.F46CCFE1@istop.com>    Rob Young wrote:I >         you're going to switch Unixes , doesn't make much sense to move M >         to a Unix that isn't Linux and isn't running on commodity hardware.   M If you're being forced to migrate your VMS infrastructure to that IA64 thing, > it doesn't make sense to migrate to an expensive non-commodity= hardware/software especially when the IA64 future is clouded.   M On the other hand, if the proprietary OS provides you with functionality that Q you need and which isn't availahle in Linux, then you don't really have a choice.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2003 22:54:39 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: Sun takes a hit3 Message-ID: <3QLWpplFM4CU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3F80B824.F46CCFE1@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:J >>         you're going to switch Unixes , doesn't make much sense to moveN >>         to a Unix that isn't Linux and isn't running on commodity hardware. > O > If you're being forced to migrate your VMS infrastructure to that IA64 thing, @ > it doesn't make sense to migrate to an expensive non-commodity? > hardware/software especially when the IA64 future is clouded.  >   ? 	Not as clouded as SPARC's future.  A dying competitor to IA64.   B 	Others?  AIX and Power.  Opteron - such a small precense without F 	pressing tier 1 support.  When you look at IA64 and the competition, D 	the competition is either very narrow and strong (AIX and Power) or2 	severely lacking (Opteron and no tier 1 support).  O > On the other hand, if the proprietary OS provides you with functionality that S > you need and which isn't availahle in Linux, then you don't really have a choice.   < 	There are always corner cases, extremes.  Applications that= 	can't/won't port from Unix-to-Unix are fun to point out, but , 	aren't the norm (after all, Paul asks this:  ` http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3F7FF321.64F09CCE%40sture.homeip.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain  A "But this is something I don't get. Why is HP pushing Linux as an G alternative to Solaris rather than HP-UX, or even, heaven forbid, VMS?"    	Unix to Unix port is trivial.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:01:41 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: VMS system on the web0 Message-ID: <3F80BEF5.18FDB7DA@sture.homeip.net>   Doc.Cypher wrote:  >  > all we're missing is CMS  F I shall see if I can dig a kit up for you. I assume youe want both VAX1 and Alpha, so that might take a little more time.   3 Not sure I can go back to a pre 7.3 version though.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:18:58 +0100( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown 9 Message-ID: <blpqr5$emgfd$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:blpc7l$h28$1@online.de... I > Since moving cluster-common files to a non-system disk, I encounter the J > following problem when trying to remove a node from the cluster: 6 filesI > are open on this disk.  Two are opened by the SMISERVER, and I can just H > kill this process.  However, the others are opened by the audit server; > and security server, and these objects cannot be deleted.  > I > Of course, it is possible to shutdown the system, but this doesn't seem  > a very clean way to do it. >    I must be missing something.H How do you anticipate removing a node from a cluster WITHOUT shutting it down ?K By definition, 'remove node' means shut that node down and tell the rest of " the cluster that you are doing so.  J Do you plan to disconnect a running node from the cluster and expect it toL continue operation without a reboot ? If so, forget it. The existence of theJ cluster it too deeply ingrained in the current incarnation of VMS for thatL to happen. You COULD set expected votes equal to the number of votes on thatH node, but you cannot change the cluster number on the fly, so as soon asH there is a network link between that node and the rest of the cluster at* least one node can be expected to CLUEXIT.  L I suggest you think through what you want to do, and describe it better than	 you have.      -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown $ Message-ID: <blpqs4$1j9$1@online.de>  3 In article <C0M3HNDEQqWg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   L > > Since moving cluster-common files to a non-system disk, I encounter the M > > following problem when trying to remove a node from the cluster: 6 files  L > > are open on this disk.  Two are opened by the SMISERVER, and I can just K > > kill this process.  However, the others are opened by the audit server  = > > and security server, and these objects cannot be deleted.  >  > $ HELP SET AUDIT/SERVER  > $ HELP SET SERVER/EXIT   OK.   D Related question.  Suppose I want to shut down the whole cluster andF bring it back up with no shadow merge or shadow copy.  Assume that theG problem above applies to all nodes.  If I specify the cluster shutdown, F will this be enough, or do I need to include the commands above in theD site-specific shutdown procedure?  Do I need to include a command toH dismount the disk in question in the site-specific command procedure? In< general, is there a need to explicitly dismount disks in the  site-specific command procedure?   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:37:31 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown $ Message-ID: <blprtr$1j9$5@online.de>  H In article <blpqr5$emgfd$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:   K > > Since moving cluster-common files to a non-system disk, I encounter the L > > following problem when trying to remove a node from the cluster: 6 filesK > > are open on this disk.  Two are opened by the SMISERVER, and I can justMJ > > kill this process.  However, the others are opened by the audit server= > > and security server, and these objects cannot be deleted.o > >DK > > Of course, it is possible to shutdown the system, but this doesn't seema > > a very clean way to do it. >  > I must be missing something.J > How do you anticipate removing a node from a cluster WITHOUT shutting it > down ?M > By definition, 'remove node' means shut that node down and tell the rest ofG$ > the cluster that you are doing so.   Right.  L > Do you plan to disconnect a running node from the cluster and expect it to' > continue operation without a reboot? e   No.a  N > I suggest you think through what you want to do, and describe it better than > you have.   E I want to shut down the node so I can do some hardware maintenance onnH it.  One of its SCSI disks is part of a two-member shadow set, with the F other member on another node.  The node I want to shut down has files B open on that disk.  I want to "cleanly" close those files.  Larry # Kilgallen posted the info I needed.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:57:57 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdowns$ Message-ID: <blq0kl$8e1$1@online.de>  2 In article <3F8075DE.5E95A5A0@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   L > > How do you anticipate removing a node from a cluster WITHOUT shutting it
 > > down ? > I > I think that the issue is that if you improperly dismount a disk duringpD > shutdown, you have "problems" when you reboot (for instance, mountF > verification, or in the case a of shadow set, the need to recopy the
 > contents). -   Right.  H > So the person was asking about a very clean way to dismount the drive.   Right.  N > Remember that SHUTDOWN.COM doesn't dismount non-system disks. You have to do& > that yourself in the site procedure.   It says:  ? $say "%SHUTDOWN-I-DISMOUNT, all volumes will now be dismounted"4  G Looking at the code, it appears to build a list of mounted volumes and h dismount them if appropriate.o  K > I had the same problem with a user drive containing a page file which you$7 > cannot dismount since the page file is always opened.e   How did you solve the problem?   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:59:10 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownf$ Message-ID: <blq0mu$8e1$2@online.de>  2 In article <3F807BD8.6DC9C688@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   @ > > general, is there a need to explicitly dismount disks in the$ > > site-specific command procedure? > K > There is a need for the site specific procedure to shut down all softwarea  > which makes use of that drive.   Right.  H > Shutdown.com will dismount all drives. But if a drive is still in use,J > it will be marked as having been improperly dismounted (the shutdown.com1 > procedure uses dismount/abort/override=checks) u  G OK, so it will get dismounted in any case.  If software using the disk t; was not shut down properly, then I'll need to do a rebuild.r   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:03:47 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdownd$ Message-ID: <blq0vj$8e1$3@online.de>  2 In article <3F807D49.88AE2F42@istop.com>, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.comwrites:   H > You remove the local drive from the shadowset. You leave the shadowsetJ > mounted with whatever files are still opened. This shadowset now becomesH > a one member shadowset served by the other node. So when you shutdown,H > your local drive has been cleanly dismounted (removed from shadowset).G > And then, the shadowset continues to live on the other node with justiE > one drive. the other node, in finding the local node has exited the G > cluster, would mark all files opened by that node as closed, right ?    I OK, but to cleanly remove the local drive from the shadow set, I have to wG dismount it on all nodes then remount it with just one member.  But in aI order to do a clean dismount, then I have to close the files cleanly, so   back to square one.,  E Maybe one CAN cleanly remove the local drive.  Obviously, if I'm not sA sure whether a shadow copy or merge will result, I don't want to a experiment much!  F > However, when you rejoin the cluster and try to put your local driveJ > back into the shadowset, the system will know that it is out of date andI > iot will cost you in resources to bring it back up to date. But I don't-+ > think that there is any way around this.    G No, this can't be avoided.  However, if I shut down the whole cluster,   then it can be in principle.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:50:52 +0100( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdowna9 Message-ID: <blq3oe$etvmd$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>s  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:blq0vj$8e1$3@online.de...t4 > In article <3F807D49.88AE2F42@istop.com>, JF Mezei# > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.comwrites:  >hJ > > You remove the local drive from the shadowset. You leave the shadowsetL > > mounted with whatever files are still opened. This shadowset now becomesJ > > a one member shadowset served by the other node. So when you shutdown,J > > your local drive has been cleanly dismounted (removed from shadowset).I > > And then, the shadowset continues to live on the other node with justeG > > one drive. the other node, in finding the local node has exited thelH > > cluster, would mark all files opened by that node as closed, right ? >oJ > OK, but to cleanly remove the local drive from the shadow set, I have toH > dismount it on all nodes then remount it with just one member.  But inJ > order to do a clean dismount, then I have to close the files cleanly, so > back to square one.e >bF > Maybe one CAN cleanly remove the local drive.  Obviously, if I'm notB > sure whether a shadow copy or merge will result, I don't want to > experiment much! >-  G I knew it could be done, but the memory cells must have suffered an eccM error...  / In V7.3-1, I don't know how far back this goes.u SETC     DEVICE       /FORCE_REMOVAL             /FORCE_REMOVAL ddcu:  <        Expels a named shadow set member from the shadow set.  F        If connectivity to a device has been lost and the shadow set isD        in mount verification, this qualifier causes the member to be0        expelled from the shadow set immediately.  C        If the shadow set is not currently in mount verification, noxA        immediate action is taken. If connectivity to a device has F        been lost but the shadow set is not in mount verification, thisH        qualifier lets you flag the member to be expelled from the shadow8        set, as soon as it does enter mount verification.  D        The device specified must be a member of a shadow set that is7        mounted on the node where the command is issued.   E So you issue this command cluster-wide against the member about to be . removed, then shutdown the node containing it.     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com3 +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/         ---?& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:49:56 -0400a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown sl) Message-ID: <3F8075DE.5E95A5A0@istop.com>u   John Travell wrote:eJ > How do you anticipate removing a node from a cluster WITHOUT shutting it > down ?  G I think that the issue is that if you improperly dismount a disk duringrB shutdown, you have "problems" when you reboot (for instance, mountO verification, or in the case a of shadow set, the need to recopy the contents).g  F So the person was asking about a very clean way to dismount the drive.L Remember that SHUTDOWN.COM doesn't dismount non-system disks. You have to do$ that yourself in the site procedure.  I I had the same problem with a user drive containing a page file which youy5 cannot dismount since the page file is always opened.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:15:28 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown s ) Message-ID: <3F807BD8.6DC9C688@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > general, is there a need to explicitly dismount disks in the" > site-specific command procedure?  I There is a need for the site specific procedure to shut down all softwarev which makes use of that drive.  N Shutdown.com will dismount all drives. But if a drive is still in use, it willJ be marked as having been improperly dismounted (the shutdown.com procedure$ uses dismount/abort/override=checks)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:21:38 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown si) Message-ID: <3F807D49.88AE2F42@istop.com>k  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: G > I want to shut down the node so I can do some hardware maintenance onjI > it.  One of its SCSI disks is part of a two-member shadow set, with the0G > other member on another node.  The node I want to shut down has filesi= > open on that disk.  I want to "cleanly" close those files. r  # Have not tested thsi, but what if :q  N You remove the local drive from the shadowset. You leave the shadowset mountedM with whatever files are still opened. This shadowset now becomes a one membertN shadowset served by the other node. So when you shutdown, your local drive hasI been cleanly dismounted (removed from shadowset). And then, the shadowsetaK continues to live on the other node with just one drive. the other node, intM finding the local node has exited the cluster, would mark all files opened by  that node as closed, right ?  N However, when you rejoin the cluster and try to put your local drive back intoL the shadowset, the system will know that it is out of date and iot will costM you in resources to bring it back up to date. But I don't think that there ist any way around this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:06:48 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown su) Message-ID: <3F8095E8.6518DA26@istop.com>c  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:tM > > I had the same problem with a user drive containing a page file which youl9 > > cannot dismount since the page file is always opened.- >   > How did you solve the problem?    * Was told to live with it :=) (not solved).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:36:54 -0400a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown si) Message-ID: <3F80AB00.B7749CEF@istop.com>n  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:oJ > OK, but to cleanly remove the local drive from the shadow set, I have toH > dismount it on all nodes then remount it with just one member.  But inJ > order to do a clean dismount, then I have to close the files cleanly, so > back to square one.b  N If your shadow set is DSA10: made up of $1$DKA200 and $2$DKA200, you can, from& the node having allocation class 1 do:   DISMOUNT $1$DKA200  H This will remove that physical drive from the shadow set. The shadow setK remains mounted and available. (This must be issued from the node that ownsh the physical drive)d  L When your node then shuts down, whatever locks it had on the DSA device willM go away as those processes die or exit. The other node continues happily with @ the shadow set and its own applicatiosn that use the shadow set.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:25:02 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: You'd think that HP would let people know about VMS. How about it Rich, Markt) Message-ID: <3F8061FD.583CAF7C@istop.com>r   Paul Sture wrote:tI > court would have to accept that English ain't an official language heretI > (4 languages, yes, but English is not one of them, even though many are  > perfectly competent in it).n  K The license agreement may have been printed for multiple countries. Here in-M Qubec, we often get stuff from the USA that has plenty of text with a simpleaM disclaimer saying essentially "void where prohibited by local laws" or "local." laws may supplement this" etc etc.  I There may be clauses in the Microsoft agreements that are illegal in many8N jurisdictions. And the english text may be in english because it doesn't applyB to Germany. Is it written in real english or in american english ?  H At this point in time, Microsoft has been infected with viruses for longG enough that it no longer has any excuse. One could argue that MicrosoftOL knowingly allowed its software to continue to be the perfect breeding ground0 or viruses and that would make Microsoft liable.  I Look at Ford when it knowingly sold cars with defects that could cause anr3 explosion. They went to court and won against Ford.s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.553 ************************------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2003 17:10:15 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: DS15 systems have arrived3 Message-ID: <2AVCh+YVWHUh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <86brsv5pp7.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>, Javier HErbPUwnRoGO7+TiYWWJyZds5G5PZSo4XBaDA+Dt1bv3CL Y/pvwuioiGFbqUGovmC5iOh66thW7L4X3JRyMIRc76Libfz9jagAVkp8vZkCFoJmkLztnPlaA0gBL 9MfIXYTOSqJ1gWVO8f0WiuMBdIJo94ofpYyil38oXdWGYAAd52if6ehLVAASb5AmqBKKuVcKgD4bL Hq1QZ5oyAO9zL7x5F5ncO6sVltV++NXm/32ybsO2iiDxkhmV9ic15lxtpNWXuJrscK9PaS8O3HyDL dkFVB7SNPY5EqVHVAVxXKVN1fTxWJWbPe0ynSnUggFnnxSAx6ZtZZGbduChoJTR9Z9MRFCXGRQ7uL mzx6cFpmalzvlI6j6hDgQFD+fN85c295xMbvEWsMjd/jExfx+5PLSgoaAb/XDx8b8QX8HgB4VHF6L 2zI8TBi2XKVyrMnAI9wEPk4HYIPiHszTKwBGVakHBRED4Kp64EH51EMkv6AF/7ZQcEG4LdRWj6ZxL 9y5RcDVZJkKAbw/ALbPg3g2R5LXg4STWQUBc8U95+YV+FeH0g9B9ZCvSjW2VGKSImUOT4h416wxjL iR7PxxIBCcsWK3fWCTLXHgZBDgtCtXTTRedMtZfhAqMTFwkWt6fjJZvOWL9o3RfsqaCJYD4T06xuL POwVhBx71UJhPfc0IwbbQu/k52H7mvCAilSmk4Zg8jzq4cXv220pMy98jN8/9+zjlMMT6GhsaPBFL xJ3q8PtQKuLKejMHigrKP5u/aumi9bQxvexYL38ChPtiwpoIxYek+vlJ0z7OvgJWZVyR/mDE5Er0L D0+pkE6UA5m6onF9XA56sX+1KrQWnurRQyA9/FSJASiU3y7hU0kbgKf+KP8/v3p/fdGOvee2w++JL hw6/33tdoh4cft9TnHT9HPIcgGUVBNxDnL2D7fdM1rGxsZBxDYDDQym1vgPv90wZXKsDzoE++DngL ZDgCHAf2kgPlRUtbmqr3shPX3HFAc2DFqvUnnXY1nSYlJqxZ9npXzNkX+H3BtsKpsy6kEXs/fg9EL CoS/iRFZxOgZrbVxXA3TCphrg/geFJ9gewu9R8TWg+KLGdhrDjYBWpbEBG/gIgZu0dyqoVq4Jsd0L oKFZDe8LUmsQW8k4G4TRehFBhnkNPYcYeG8pgIHwg3w4lChR6OzDoRB9EjDb9JR0PQV07vXeYGzJL FBJPtQOHtUND6PtVQyPavM6qIYA9a4HWCtEQAnBJYTxqAIWSVkCVE8CvoXuE77mk0573hwB4b3O5L tqF5wZItS9cXwbe4op5sp4cefh8Z4eubHp+bkTA4F9zS93A/U/eqdRzohgNrNyxbt2F5yAo5OcMlL fz6+owT5psqqiB9SDAJrYFNqqkeqRnOptUIgFeSswHvqBCvg05eODdDJx3TJAu/xMcwk4EPUftdaL MzFvbfHYsyiHPlQWABndgon5QW+/3dX4PIqm1ANjc3NNiZdFmG1eE8zH/EYigF4aGjKQvRosJxZRL TQXJcisE75nLQo8WCs2OVx42W+jVhlJgASH6hBnqUWB6avLe1FzCPpE0A+IbgWnQGmlgmkWyJCluL aPUjHWE3/FbV2oDDyXjEAe7HRtE91VGk/K636LTV1eoTSaaXv5dmS3XxHSteHzR/Gz7nY+6ELlnKL g+VavnrZoBWCemY6hP/WVT19zV2aFd81xDRRD5YoyRFJYa7SLUY3o0pfQR+589CfxlIRd+g4cLBwL ILt/2pmXzfrxPZfMOmViZJTfJMOXpPoNHdFL42c/0/eOD9IuXZz8dUybr2LfMRk+weqUIV+S6mNkL PPaDFbCcMurrpPrUhBtCNci6z6cKs4e7DrK/qGz5mDMfD/wqkT6n1lfp9OlUXcXs+nAKi/vWZkiYL 4T6OA44DjgOOAwcZB+DRD7A9ZIMvKCiorq524P0ey6+xsZFS60P6bjje4356T0MH3vceWThKdpcDL FRUVkEpkd1u5+o4DjgOOA4c2ByDaHiLvaY77M3k+jdi/X87555xy