1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 09 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 559       Contents:, Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default, Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default, Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default, Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default, Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default Re: Group members in VMS Idle Telnet Sessions Dropping ! Re: Idle Telnet Sessions Dropping ! Re: Idle Telnet Sessions Dropping % Re: ITRC Download site - some answers  Job Scheduler - cross platform" RE: Job Scheduler - cross platform" RE: Job Scheduler - cross platform" Re: Job Scheduler - cross platform' Re: O.T. slightly, Re: DCL improvements  Re: OT: Another microsoft virus  Re: OT: Another microsoft virus   Re: Problem with SWCC_CONFIG.com& Re: Slow Shadow Copy with 36 GB drives% Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? % Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? % Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? % Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? N Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdown5 Yet Another "DCL Improvements":  SUBMIT/AFTER request   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2003 14:08:47 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default 3 Message-ID: <1DAkZbmNGIeu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <3F845CBF.281F42E8@eps.zko.dec.com>, Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> writes:   I > Also... if you do 'cd' to sys$system, then you can just 'RUN AUTHORIZE'  > instead of MCR.   6 That is certainly true, but I do not see an advantage.  L Either will work alone, whereas MCR will take arguments after the AUTHORIZE.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2003 13:54:05 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default 3 Message-ID: <ASsiY2nk5f$y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <BuRpofbkYOBE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   F >    I always assumed it was heritage from the days when AUTHORIZE wasC >    written without the benefit of RMS.  I recall having to decide H >    whether RMS should be installed, sharable, when setting up VMS 2.x.E >    Someone once told me AUTHORIZE was written prior to RMS; I guess C >    someone in VMS Engineering wanted to log into 0.x to test RMS.   C VMS V1 had Authorize, but not Indexed Files.  One prominent (to VMS D Developers) Field Test site was an academic site (lots of usernames)E run by Doug WILSON.  He was quite clear that sequential scan when one F logged in to find the username in alphabetic order was not acceptable.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:54:58 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> 5 Subject: Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default / Message-ID: <3F845CBF.281F42E8@eps.zko.dec.com>    sms@antinode.org wrote:   , > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>	 > > [...] E > > It is very annoying to have to CD SYS$SYSTEM before MC AUTHORIZE.   H Well, I am very pleased Authorize works on a local file if no logical is defined.  J It allows me to grab a copy an readily play with it before putting anyting into productions.   L If I had to manager a serious system, then I would use the system logical to move1 my production SYSUAF away from sys$system anyway.   G Also... if you do 'cd' to sys$system, then you can just 'RUN AUTHORIZE'  instead of MCR.    Hein.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:01:24 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default 0 Message-ID: <00A2713D.E951F9EC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <BuRpofbkYOBE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: V >In article <00A27121.FBE99285@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > D >> That's so that I can run AUTHORIZE, create a SYSUAF.DAT in my ownD >> directory and define my own fully privied account.  Then, hope toD >> usurp SYSNAM privie and define SYSUAF in the system logical tableC >> to point to my SYSUAF.DAT so I can then login fully privied.  ;)  > H >   Of course, we know you can do that because you have CMEXEC or CMKRNLC >   turned on, allowing you to define /executive_mode.  A very good E >   addition to VMS, allowing RMS to require those inner mode logical 
 >   names.   Not necessary... only SYSNAM.    $ SHOW PROCESS/PRIVILEGE  G  8-OCT-2003 15:58:06.65   User: ******           Process ID:   286010B2 G                           Node: ******           Process name: "******"    Authorized privileges:!  NETMBX       SYSNAM       TMPMBX    Process privileges: /  NETMBX               may create network device =  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table 2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox ...   % $ DEFINE /SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE SYSUAF NL:  $ SHOW LOGICAL/FULL SYSUAF-    "SYSUAF" [exec] = "NL:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)           5 (Note to self... deassign SYSUAF before logging out.)    --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:33:04 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 5 Subject: Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default 2 Message-ID: <4w_gb.6641$n%2.2428@news.cpqcorp.net>  S In article <00A27121.FBE99285@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: W :In article <3F8437DF.9C21107C@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: O :>Is there a reason that AUTHORIZE doesn't default to SYS$SYSTEM when it triues  :>to open SYSUAF.DAT ?  E   AUTHORIZE typically expects system disks will have the core logical C   names, and when these are present then AUTHORIZE works just fine.   F   If the current behaviour bugs you, you can define the core logicals C   (SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST, NETPROXY, NET$PROXY) to point to the default C   file locations and AUTHORIZE will then work just fine -- for some C   systems I have these defined system-wide, and for others I define C   these in the LOGIN.COM.   I then also set up a UAF :== $AUTHORIZE 	   symbol.   A   Here's some LOGIN.COM code that handles more than you probably     cared about:  0 $       DEFLOG := Define/Table=LNM$PROCESS/NoLog9 $       If F$TrnLnm("SYSUAF","LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE") .eqs. ""  $       Then= $         DEFLOG        SYSUAF          Sys$System:SYSUAF.DAT = $         DEFLOG        NETUAF          Sys$System:NETUAF.DAT ? $         DEFLOG        NETPROXY        Sys$System:NETPROXY.DAT @ $         DEFLOG        NET$PROXY       Sys$System:NET$PROXY.DATA $         DEFLOG        RIGHTSLIST      Sys$System:RIGHTSLIST.DAT 
 $       EndIf  .. $       UAF     :== $AUTHORIZE  =   Accordingly, I haven't even considered this issue in years.   E   I'm not certain we could particularly change this current behaviour C   of AUTHORIZE without breaking layered products, ISV applications,    and/or customer code.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2003 22:20:11 -0700 - From: bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede) ! Subject: Re: Group members in VMS < Message-ID: <8a3b834.0310082120.6114c9c3@posting.google.com>  ( Thank you guys for your instant replies.D I forgot to mention that I would like to programatically find it out i.e., through a 'C' code.   $ Could you give me some idea on this.   Rgds,  Bhushan   a brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote in message news:<03100809171814@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>...  > > Hi,  > > I > >  I wanted to findout who all are the members of a given group in VMS.  > > How do I acheive this. > > 	 > > Rgds,  > > Bhushan  > ' > $ MCR AUTHORIZE SHOW /BRIEF [group,*]  > ! > Where group = the group number.  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2003 13:28:51 -0700 * From: tommynoble@hotmail.com (Tommy Noble)& Subject: Idle Telnet Sessions Dropping= Message-ID: <494eba13.0310081228.61d78072@posting.google.com>   C After upgrading from OpenVMS 7.1-2 and an ancient release of TCP/IP D Services for OpenVMS (4.something), to 7.3-1 and 5.3 (ECO 1), telnetB sessions originating on far networks, and which are idle for 15-30F minutes will become frozen and eventually either fall off the host, or@ will become disembodied processes which have to be stopped.  The: Virtual Terminal driver does not detect the disconnection.  C Whether or not the old behavior was a bug, or the new behavior is a E feature (or in fact a bug), the old way is the way I need it to work.   E Funnier still, a telnet session from another alpha does not drop when E idle for hours at a time, but between a PC running Reflection or some , other emulation solution, the sessions drop.  E Do I have to change some settings on the telnet service?  What should  I be looking for?    Thanks in advance!   Tommy Noble    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:03:19 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>* Subject: Re: Idle Telnet Sessions Dropping? Message-ID: <Hl3hb.142417$bo1.19948@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   H Well, given the info it is impossible to be specific, other than to say:       1) Why not install ECO2?      2) Welcome to the future :-)  H Just to start pointing you in a general direction (perhaps not the rightF direction) past experiences with these sorts of problems have revealedL network configuration errors or misbehaving hosts on the network.  There areJ a large number of differences between V4.x and V5.3.  Some of the things IL recall seeing in years gone by when customers started upgrading to V5.0 wereK related to misbehaving nodes issuing erroneous ICMP redirects.  PathMTU can L also cause strange problems in long-haul networks where the MTU might change$ due to an intermediate route change.  H The kinds of things I'd start tracking are the routing table (especiallyL looking for ICMP redirects and PMTU routes) and tracing the connection.  Use+ "netstat -nr" to examine the routing table.    Matt.    --  = -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     7 "Tommy Noble" <tommynoble@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:494eba13.0310081228.61d78072@posting.google.com... E > After upgrading from OpenVMS 7.1-2 and an ancient release of TCP/IP F > Services for OpenVMS (4.something), to 7.3-1 and 5.3 (ECO 1), telnetD > sessions originating on far networks, and which are idle for 15-30H > minutes will become frozen and eventually either fall off the host, orB > will become disembodied processes which have to be stopped.  The< > Virtual Terminal driver does not detect the disconnection. > E > Whether or not the old behavior was a bug, or the new behavior is a G > feature (or in fact a bug), the old way is the way I need it to work.  > G > Funnier still, a telnet session from another alpha does not drop when G > idle for hours at a time, but between a PC running Reflection or some . > other emulation solution, the sessions drop. > G > Do I have to change some settings on the telnet service?  What should  > I be looking for?  >  > Thanks in advance! > 
 > Tommy Noble    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:43:32 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> * Subject: Re: Idle Telnet Sessions Dropping9 Message-ID: <EP4hb.27265$832.20624@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>    Why didn't you upgrade to ECO2?   D Check your keep alive settings on both the reflections and VMS TCPIPB settings.   I have had sessions idle all day on TCPIP 5.3 ECO2 andI Reflections  (Local inside my work location).  You may have set something C years ago on your old version of TCPIP that you need to reset here.   L I have problems when I am remotely connected in that my VPN will time out ifK idle for an extended amount of time.  I Loose my connections due to the VPN 6 dropping, not because the VMS or Reflections drops it.  E Or, there may be an attention/timeout/keepalive value in reflections, 4 Although I have not been able to find such settings.    5 Tommy Noble <tommynoble@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:494eba13.0310081228.61d78072@posting.google.com... E > After upgrading from OpenVMS 7.1-2 and an ancient release of TCP/IP F > Services for OpenVMS (4.something), to 7.3-1 and 5.3 (ECO 1), telnetD > sessions originating on far networks, and which are idle for 15-30H > minutes will become frozen and eventually either fall off the host, orB > will become disembodied processes which have to be stopped.  The< > Virtual Terminal driver does not detect the disconnection. > E > Whether or not the old behavior was a bug, or the new behavior is a G > feature (or in fact a bug), the old way is the way I need it to work.  > G > Funnier still, a telnet session from another alpha does not drop when G > idle for hours at a time, but between a PC running Reflection or some . > other emulation solution, the sessions drop.  K Check your network switch settings.  This implies that the problem is not a 4 VMS/TCPIP problem, but a network inactivity problem.  G > Do I have to change some settings on the telnet service?  What should  > I be looking for?  >  > Thanks in advance! > 
 > Tommy Noble    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:21:01 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>. Subject: Re: ITRC Download site - some answers) Message-ID: <3F8471AD.149C102B@intel.com>   $ Jumping into the fray a week late...   Michael Unger wrote:    [...]   A > What about "cross dependencies" of patches? Example, taken from  > a recent notification:   <SNIP>  > > When requesting the VMS731_LAN-V0700 patch there should be a@ > question "Do you want to get the VMS731_PCSI-V0100 patch which@ > is a prerequisite too?" If the response is "yes" then the PCSI: > patch will also be downloaded. If there is another patchA > depending on the very same (i.e., PCSI) patch as a prerequisite 2 > the question shouldn't be asked again of course.  > I just wanted to comment that I don't believe that feature has? been present in any other patch notification or download system = in the past.  If it has, could we have a pointer?  OTOH, this  would be a nice enhancement...   	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:14:26 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)' Subject: Job Scheduler - cross platform 1 Message-ID: <03100815142641@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   K I am looking around for a Job Scheduler for VMS, UNIX, Tru-64, Win/xx, and   LINUX.  3 Does anyone have such (or similiar) implementation?          J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:17:49 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> + Subject: RE: Job Scheduler - cross platform T Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0FF79E5B@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  E One of the Encompass sponsors has a product that may meet your needs.   ! http://www.mvpsi.com/product.html    EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**    -----Original Message-----7 From: brandon@dalsemi.com [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com]  ) Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:14 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Job Scheduler - cross platform     K I am looking around for a Job Scheduler for VMS, UNIX, Tru-64, Win/xx, and   LINUX.  3 Does anyone have such (or similiar) implementation?          J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n D VMS Systems Administrator firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:20:50 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> + Subject: RE: Job Scheduler - cross platform R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BA25@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John -   As a fyi, check out:1 http://www.i-s-e.com/products/enterpriseschedule/   E (good partner, attends almost all OpenVMS events, aand Ambassador ISV  night as well)  7 Contact me offline and I can provide some contact info.      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20 =20    >=20 > -----Original Message-----4 > From: John Brandon [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com]=20 > Sent: October 8, 2003 4:14 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >=20; > I am looking around for a Job Scheduler for VMS, UNIX,=20  > Tru-64, Win/xx, and LINUX. >=205 > Does anyone have such (or similiar) implementation?  >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:55:52 -0400 . From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>+ Subject: Re: Job Scheduler - cross platform 8 Message-ID: <ott9ovcioji1nnc1uo8751fbdpblc2fpc2@4ax.com>  F On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:14:26 -0500, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:  L >I am looking around for a Job Scheduler for VMS, UNIX, Tru-64, Win/xx, and  >LINUX.  > 4 >Does anyone have such (or similiar) implementation?  D Back when I worked for Raxco (late 80s, early 90s) we wrote a reallyB fancy distributed job scheduler...that they never sold so far as IB know.  It used DECnet, but there's no reason it couldn't have beenD modified fairly easily to support TCP/IP.  Supporting other OSs thanE VMS...unix anyway...not sure if Windows is up to it...would have been " more work, but certainly possible.  @ You might ask them if they've updated it and put it up for sale. Couldn't hurt.   -- Mike Bartman @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:53:56 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: Re: O.T. slightly, Re: DCL improvements$ Message-ID: <bm1mg4$5ks$1@online.de>  F In article <eld8ov0fg21v5vp4avuj4pg234udcdcars@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:    K > FWIW, our esteemed Hoff espouses the practice of leaving off the trailing H > apostrophe in his book "Writing Real Programs in DCL" (see chapter 5).M > Personally, I prefer to always include it because I think it makes DCL code   > easier to read and understand.  G I noticed that in the original version of that book.  I wonder if this  B reflects Hoff's views, or was just carried over from the original.  I Yes, it sometimes works.  The book gives a list of "exceptions" where it  B doesn't work, which is quite long.  To me, it seems that it is an  exception if it does work.  D $  SEARCH FILE.TYP "multi-word string ! no closing double-quote here  7 also "works", though I would hardly call it good style.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2003 13:55:59 -0700 3 From: robert_dirosario@yahoo.com (Robert DiRosario) ( Subject: Re: OT: Another microsoft virus= Message-ID: <c83a2a1e.0310081255.45ad8ca9@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3F829F4D.1201D6C7@istop.com>... N > Saw what appears to be another episode of a web browser virus  la Red Code. > P > VMS may not ve vulnerable, but these viruses affect network performance at the> > ISP level, as well as clogging up your web server log files. >  > Here is just a sample:O > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:20:19 +0000] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir  >  HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" "" 6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:20:33 +0000] "GETJ >  /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" ""6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:20:42 +0000] "GETK >  /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" "" 6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:20:44 +0000] "GETK >  /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" "" 6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:20:48 +0000] "GETK >  /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" "" 6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:20:52 +0000] "GETK >  /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" "" 6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:21:02 +0000] "GETL >  /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" ""6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:21:06 +0000] "GETJ >  /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" ""6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:21:08 +0000] "GETN >  /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" ""6 > >66.68.252.154 - - [04/Oct/2003:12:21:10 +0000] "GETI > /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 60 "" ""     F At home with my cable modem I see more than 10 ICMP "ping" packets perF second on my outermost firewall.  I'm sure it's some Microsoft worm or virus.  C Too bad those of us who only use Linux/Unix/VMS can't sue Microsoft A for this.  We never agreed to the terms of any Microsoft license.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:31:49 +1000 From: bah@bit.bucket (BAH)( Subject: Re: OT: Another microsoft virus1 Message-ID: <slrnbo9ek4.4ei.bah@plague.bogus.com>   S On 8 Oct 2003 13:55:59 -0700, Robert DiRosario <robert_dirosario@yahoo.com> Wrote :    <snip> >  > G >At home with my cable modem I see more than 10 ICMP "ping" packets per G >second on my outermost firewall.  I'm sure it's some Microsoft worm or  >virus.   D have a google search for "Nachia +Welchia" you'll find out more than. you might wish to know. Also have a look at :-= http://www.members.optushome.com.au/trafficstats/packets/ and = http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/index.html @ You don't need me to tell you that cable network performance has/ gone to the dogs since this thing started...:-(      > D >Too bad those of us who only use Linux/Unix/VMS can't sue MicrosoftB >for this.  We never agreed to the terms of any Microsoft license.     --    
 BAH Humbug   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:56:44 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> ) Subject: Re: Problem with SWCC_CONFIG.com 8 Message-ID: <005hb.27370$832.8932@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  ; Dave Baxter <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> wrote in message 7 news:a3c44af1.0310080938.787d284f@posting.google.com... A > Can anyone help me here.    I have a two node cluster of ES40's G > running OVMS 7.3-1, connected via a SAN setup to two pairs of HSG80's G > with 42 drives attached to each controller pair.   Each of the ES40's B > has two HBA's, and is dualpathed to the storage via two separate; > fabrics, i.e. Each Host (ES40) has 4 paths to each drive. F >      The CC Lun's on the two pairs of HSG's are set to 9000 and 9001F > and they appear on the hosts as devices $1$gga9000: and $1$gga9001:. > G > When I try to run SWCC_CONFIG and add a sub-system (option 8), I give  > it;  >  > Subsystem Name: HSG9000  > Device Name:    $1$gga9000:  > Monitoring interval: 5 secs  > 
 > I then get;  > C > Adding subsystem: hsg9000, access device: $1$GGA9000:, monitoring 
 > interval: 5 H > %DCL-W-BUFOVF, command buffer overflow - shorten expression or command > line > $  > 7 > If I "set verify" and run it again this is what I get  >  > $write cfileL "hsg9000|$1$GGA9000:|5|18|81D11B00PATHBIAS:0017PATH:PGA0.5000-1FE1-0012-1992L PRIMARY,CURRENT|81D17AC0PATHBIAS:0016PATH:PGB0.5000-1FE1-0012-1991|81D123C0|L 81D123C0PATHBIAS:0002PATH:PGA0.5000-1FE1-0012-1994|81D182C0PATHBIAS:0006PATHL :PGB0.5000-1FE1-0012-1993|81D11B00PATHBIAS:0017PATH:PGA0.5000-1FE1-0012-1992L PRIMARY,CURRENT|81D17AC0PATHBIAS:0016PATH:PGB0.5000-1FE1-0012-1991|81D182C0| 81D123C  > L PATHBIAS:0002PATH:PGA0.5000-1FE1-0012-1994|81D182C0PATHBIAS:0006PATH:PGB0.50L 00-1FE1-0012-1993|81D172C0PATHBIAS:0005PATH:PGB0.5000-1FE1-0012-1C13|81D1130L 0|81D11300PATHBIAS:0005PATH:PGA0.5000-1FE1-0012-1C14|81D18AC0PATHBIAS:0015PAL TH:PGB0.5000-1FE1-0012-1C11|81D172C0PATHBIAS:0005PATH:PGB0.5000-1FE1-0012-1CL 13|81D18AC0|81D11300PATHBIAS:0005PATH:PGA0.5000-1FE1-0012-1C14|81D18AC0PATHB IAS:0015PATH:PGB0.50 > 0-1FE1-0012-1C11|"H > %DCL-W-BUFOVF, command buffer overflow - shorten expression or command > line > $exit: > " > Does anyone have any suggestions  J Yes, scrap the SWCC GUI stuff and use the CLI interface to monitor/programL your HSG's.  You can connect the console ports of the Alphaservers and HSG'sF to a Decserver700, or some such similar device, and access it remotelyL through the Telnet Listener service.  Something like ConsoleWorks allows youJ to have remote access, share the access, as well as scanning/alerting  for6 problems/errors on the systems.  Ours runs on a DS10L.     > Thanks > 
 > Dave Baxter    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2003 18:27:59 -0700  From: mdea002@aol.com (md)/ Subject: Re: Slow Shadow Copy with 36 GB drives = Message-ID: <f60e8f30.0310081727.52914237@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<NXkqCJ7zEYoa@eisner.encompasserve.org>...c > In article <$B8GQeHnfZyd@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: Y > > In article <blkfd7$1hh$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>, "Jim" <jim.gould@uwmf.wisc.edu> writes: O > >> I have HP support stumped on this one so I thought someone here could help  > >> me. > >>  P > >> We recently upgraded a pair of HSJ40 controllers to firmware version V37J-1Q > >> so that we could replace our aging 2GB and 4GB drives with new 36 GB drives. K > >> We are running VMS 6.2 and applied the latest shadowing patch (ALPSHAD  > >> 14_62.) > >>  P > >> Note:  We can't upgrade to a new version of VMS without paying our software > >> vendor huge $$$.  > >>  K > >> Everything works fine except that shadow copies take about 24 hours to Q > >> complete.  Other drives, such as 9 GB drives take about 2 hours to complete.  > >>  O > >> Is this an inherent problem with VMS 6.2 and large drives or is there some $ > >> tweak that we missed somewhere? > >>  O > >> Help would be appreciated since we need to keep this ancient monster alive  > >> for another year :  ) > >>   > > . > > 	Shadowing can be a tricky beast at times. > > 1 > > 	Those HSJ40s are dinosaurs, you can probably E > > 	pick up some SW500s and HSJ50s on the very cheap now, the HSJ50s J > > 	support writeback cache.  The HSJ40s don't, the added performance is 8 > > 	well worth it.  Got any extra ports in the CI?  B-) > >  >  > E > 	HSJ40s do support writeback, the -YC model.  I did not know that , A > 	and someone pointed that out to me offline.  I've worked with  
 > 	AF models.  > 	 > 				Rob     E We recently experienced this problem with VAX and Alphas running in a C mixed interconnect VMS cluster.  VAX running 6.2 and Alphas running E 7.3-1.  HSJ80's connected via CI.  That's single CI per node.  36 gig F drives performing shadow set copies (127 blocks at a time) taking whatE seemed like forever.  We made a noticeable difference by partitioning D each 36 gig down to 8.  Sounds wasteful but for us it was the lessor
 of two evils.      -md    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:40:03 +0200( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?9 Message-ID: <bm1lpq$hs4d5$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   J "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> schreef in bericht- news:LQVfpw0AjYPT@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <bm0lg8$g6lhm$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans Vlems"  <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes: >  > > BTW L > > the fact that VMS by and large now runs on an Itanium does not mean that it; > > will run with minimal effort on another Intel platform.  > G >    No, but VMS engineering has stated that having completed two ports D >    a great deal of the hardware dependence originally put into VMSA >    has been removed and any future ports should be much easier.  > F >    Which to me means, if IA64 fails it will cost the owner even lessG >    to port VMS to something else than it is to port to IA64 and there ; >    will be even more business justification for doing so.  > L Please, if you copy statements be sure to copy the entire text. My point wasG that the porting effort is more than platform dependent coding but also H includes platform certification. The second step is expensive for a highJ quality product like VMS. It takes more to ensure quality than just makingD it run. Doing two ports may be affordable in terms of coding but the* cerification is very likely too expensive.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:42:59 +0200( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?9 Message-ID: <bm1lv9$gplu4$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   1 "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> schreef in bericht , news:bm12to$cea$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr... > H Vlems wrote:J > > BTW where are you in France? We're planning a holiday next week at the Cte > > d'Azur :-) > G > HP + Cote d'Azur = Valbonne, close to Nice, aka Sophia-Antipolis, the H > former DEC European Competence Center, then former COMPAQ incompetenceE > Center (all DECcies left, well most of), today a complex octopus of F > engineers in a 90% free for rent building. Some of them have createdF > there the European VAX/ALPHA to Itanium Migration Competence Center. >  > D. > L I've been to Digital Sophia-Antipolis but was under the impression that this- facility had been closed. Hence the question.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:43:15 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?1 Message-ID: <bm1t9k$c0$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>    mist dragon wrote:E > iVMS has been available on HP site. Although it is still beta, does 9 > anyone have any information how it performs vs. Alpha ?  >  > M   L The VMS engineers were asked this question on the recent VMS seminar in Ede Q (Netherlands). They politely declined to answer because at present in this stage  I of development the only important thing for HP is that VMS runs somewhat   reliable on the IA64.   M VMS 8.0 is far from being optimized for the new CPU, there is no doubt about  B that. I don't think the real tuning efforts have even started yet.  L I'm still sceptical about the Itanic move, but we have to stay fair and not P judge the production performance of iVMS from this essentially pre-beta version.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:51:59 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?K Message-ID: <Pi2hb.262684$Lnr1.147195@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    H Vlems wrote:D > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> schreef in7 > bericht news:LQVfpw0AjYPT@eisner.encompasserve.org... B >> In article <bm0lg8$g6lhm$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans	 >> Vlems" " > <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes: >> >>> BTW G >>> the fact that VMS by and large now runs on an Itanium does not mean C >>> that it will run with minimal effort on another Intel platform.  >>H >>    No, but VMS engineering has stated that having completed two portsE >>    a great deal of the hardware dependence originally put into VMS B >>    has been removed and any future ports should be much easier. >>G >>    Which to me means, if IA64 fails it will cost the owner even less H >>    to port VMS to something else than it is to port to IA64 and there< >>    will be even more business justification for doing so. >>D > Please, if you copy statements be sure to copy the entire text. MyC > point was that the porting effort is more than platform dependent E > coding but also includes platform certification. The second step is A > expensive for a high quality product like VMS. It takes more to @ > ensure quality than just making it run. Doing two ports may beG > affordable in terms of coding but the cerification is very likely tooy > expensive.    F Not to mention the cost and time for certification by CUSTOMERS of theC combination of the specific operating system version/hardware/theirn# application for many critical uses.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:54:57 -04006 From: "Zeni Schleter" <schleterzb@y12.notreal.doe.gov>W Subject: Re: worries about files opened by audit server and security server on shutdowne( Message-ID: <bm1q2n$9dn$1@sws1.ornl.gov>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:blq0kl$8e1$1@online.de...G4 > In article <3F8075DE.5E95A5A0@istop.com>, JF Mezei% > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  >tK > > > How do you anticipate removing a node from a cluster WITHOUT shuttingo it > > > down ? > >dK > > I think that the issue is that if you improperly dismount a disk duringtF > > shutdown, you have "problems" when you reboot (for instance, mountH > > verification, or in the case a of shadow set, the need to recopy the > > contents). >  > Right. >lJ > > So the person was asking about a very clean way to dismount the drive. >Z > Right. >rJ > > Remember that SHUTDOWN.COM doesn't dismount non-system disks. You have to don( > > that yourself in the site procedure. >s
 > It says: > A > $say "%SHUTDOWN-I-DISMOUNT, all volumes will now be dismounted"  >tH > Looking at the code, it appears to build a list of mounted volumes and > dismount them if appropriate.C >iI > > I had the same problem with a user drive containing a page file which  you 9 > > cannot dismount since the page file is always opened.r >K  > How did you solve the problem?  6 ------------------------------------------------------L  I had several disks that would always start shadow merges after a member of7 cluster was rebooted because of open files.  I modifiedrK Sys$manager:SyShutDwn.com to stop all detached processes that I knew about.IL I added code to create output files with the list of remaining open files on those disks,,  "SHOW DEV/FILES dddd:/output=filename.ext".L It is been a while but I think I had to even de-install images on non-systemK disks.  I don't have pagefiles on shadowed disks so I don't know the answer I to that one.  A curious twist I had on one disk was that the queue on oneeL system had a spooling device of another system disk that was shadowed.  ThisF would trigger a shadow merge .  In my case, the queue was unneeded andL deleted.  The whole process took months if not years.  The only true test is$ a reboot and that is not done often.  
   -Z Schleter    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2003 16:31:21 -0700R. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)> Subject: Yet Another "DCL Improvements":  SUBMIT/AFTER request= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0310081531.59851225@posting.google.com>    I'd like to seee  2      SUBMIT/AFTER="''some_symbol'"  some_file.COM   D produce an error in the case where some_symbol does not exist or was9 assigned the null string. Instead it just starts the job!y  E My suggestion would protect you from starting a job just because of aa typo or bug in your procedure.   Actually, one can instead do       SUBMIT/AFTER=&some_symbolr  ! but not all DCL programs do this.y   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmann   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.559 ************************