1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 12 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 566       Contents:$ "Old" patch site no longer updated !( Re: "Old" patch site no longer updated !( Re: "Old" patch site no longer updated !( Re: "Old" patch site no longer updated ! Re: Advertising in HP * Another reason to loathe Micro$haft OSs...< Re: cpu upgradable in HP x4000 and Dell Precision dual xeon?< Re: cpu upgradable in HP x4000 and Dell Precision dual xeon?< Re: cpu upgradable in HP x4000 and Dell Precision dual xeon? Current Issues Article Archive+ FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university / Re: FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university 1 Re: It's now or perhaps never for a VMS comeback! # Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key # Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key # Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key  Re: Leaper Colony meeting  Re: Leaper Colony meeting  Re: Leaper Colony meeting  Re: Leaper Colony meeting ) Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer = Re: The VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Letter, Vol. 1 Number 1. $ Re: What does MSCP_SERVE_ALL=4 mean?$ Re: What does MSCP_SERVE_ALL=4 mean?0 what should SET VOLUME/LABEL do to a shadow set?4 Re: what should SET VOLUME/LABEL do to a shadow set?4 Re: what should SET VOLUME/LABEL do to a shadow set?4 White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:38:24 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>- Subject: "Old" patch site no longer updated ! 2 Message-ID: <bmb7rq$ehd$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  3 In case you still check the "old" compaq patch site   5 http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/   P for new patches, then please be advised that new patches are no longer added to 
 this site!  6 You will have to go to the new software & patches site   http://www1.aclabs.com/   4 to get the latest patches for (at least) VMS 7.3-1 .  Q I tried the 'zipped' patch retrieval, but that was no success. I did not get the  8 full kit, after some time the transmission just stopped.  ' Using 'right-click on ftp' worked fine.   M Furthermore it is not possible to sort the patches by date, nor is the patch  M publication date visible on the search page. Both ommisions are quite a pain. R I already complained about this yesterday, so we'll have to wait for the response.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:16:07 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: Re: "Old" patch site no longer updated ! $ Message-ID: <bmb9l7$j98$1@online.de>  < In article <bmb7rq$ehd$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:    5 > In case you still check the "old" compaq patch site  > 7 > http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/  > H > for new patches, then please be advised that new patches are no longer > added to this site!  > 8 > You will have to go to the new software & patches site >  > http://www1.aclabs.com/  > 6 > to get the latest patches for (at least) VMS 7.3-1 .  C Can you post a direct link to 7.3-1 patches (ALPHA) and 7.3 patches  (VAX)?    9 What about http://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/    How up-to-date is that?   F What about this legendary Australian patch site?  Does it still exist?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:28:38 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>1 Subject: Re: "Old" patch site no longer updated ! 2 Message-ID: <bmbaps$aj2$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > In article <bmb7rq$ehd$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk > <munk@home.nl> writes:   >  > 5 >>In case you still check the "old" compaq patch site  >>7 >>http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/  >>H >>for new patches, then please be advised that new patches are no longer >>added to this site!  >>8 >>You will have to go to the new software & patches site >> >>http://www1.aclabs.com/  >>6 >>to get the latest patches for (at least) VMS 7.3-1 . >  > E > Can you post a direct link to 7.3-1 patches (ALPHA) and 7.3 patches 	 > (VAX)?    < No, you will have to register before you can select patches.P On the left side of the home page of this site you will find a chapter "Related B   Links", and there you can find a link to the patch database etc.   > ; > What about http://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/  >  > How up-to-date is that?   = That is most likely an alias for the "old" Compaq patch site.    > H > What about this legendary Australian patch site?  Does it still exist?   Haven't checked it.    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:08:02 -0500 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> 1 Subject: Re: "Old" patch site no longer updated ! 9 Message-ID: <bmbqoi$ki2t0$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>    Dirk Munk wrote:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > ? >> In article <bmb7rq$ehd$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk  >> <munk@home.nl> writes:  >>7 >>> In case you still check the "old" compaq patch site  >>> 9 >>> http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/  >>> J >>> for new patches, then please be advised that new patches are no longer >>> added to this site!  >> [...] I >> What about this legendary Australian patch site?  Does it still exist?  >  >  > Haven't checked it.  >  >> > = The Australian site still exists, but is not updated anymore.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:18:33 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Advertising in HP0 Message-ID: <3F892A79.5C9E5B80@sture.homeip.net>   William Webb wrote:  >    <snip>       > E > While concurring with the general sentiment that has been stated in F > this newsgroup for quite some time that HP's lack of VMS advertisingB > is analogous to the servant in the parable who buried his talent > instead of investing it--- >   ! William, an excellent comparison.      & > Think About What Time Of Year It Is. > G > While many of you (and I) would gladly give affordable VMS systems to F > all our friends as Christmas gifts and not give it a second thought,C > there are many more on the planet who will probably make seasonal C > investments in the end-user digital imaging technology referenced  > above. >  > (say cheese!)  >   F And the other side of the coin is that when in a buying mood, I see anF HP product on the shelves, I deliberately buy a different brand. Not aD lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but there is no way I amF going to support a company who has been trying to shaft me personally,# and my end customer for a year now.   F There, I said it. Much as I love VMS, there is no way that my customer$ should be treated as they have been.  E Over to you Elizabeth, if you get to read this... (and I hope you do)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:22:01 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG3 Subject: Another reason to loathe Micro$haft OSs... 0 Message-ID: <00A2744C.4F760F91@SendSpamHere.ORG>  B Wife's Laptop with Weendoze-2000 "Professional" (tongue in cheek).  I I was able to get the LNCO2 "driver" installed but I cannot get the setup I window to accept a "$" when I specify the queue it is to connect to (LPD)  on my Alpha.  G Any tips?  Is there some secret <ALT><CTRL><SHIFT> finger knotting that  will make it accept the "$"?   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:15:50 +0200 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>E Subject: Re: cpu upgradable in HP x4000 and Dell Precision dual xeon? 9 Message-ID: <bmbd8v$krmp7$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   3 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> schreef in bericht 3 news:bm9f0i$k5o9n$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de... ' > On 2003-10-11 19:18, "H Vlems" wrote:  > : > > "Lia" <ballbustingbabe@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht; > > news:f98a9e28.0310110725.6e78bd74@posting.google.com...  > >> Hey there,  > >>G > >> I'm looking at two used systems to buy right now...a Dell 620 with I > >> dual xeon 1ghz processors, and an HP x4000 with dual xeon p4 1.7 ghz  > >> processors. > >>
 > >> [...] > > L > > Glad to help Lia, but one of the rules in this group is that you have toH > > specify the version of the operating system you're running. Now what version 1 > > of VMS do you (want to) run on those systems?  >  > VMS running on XEONs???  > 	 > Michael  > J You wouldn't recognize a joke unless it hits you square in the face, would you ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:24:46 +0200 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>E Subject: Re: cpu upgradable in HP x4000 and Dell Precision dual xeon? * Message-ID: <bmbdt8$91d$1@reader11.wxs.nl>  G VMS 7.3 running on CHARON-VAX running on Xeon is certainly no joke. Or  ( if it is, it's a fast and cheap joke :-)   H Vlems wrote:  5 > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> schreef in bericht 5 > news:bm9f0i$k5o9n$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de...  > ' >>On 2003-10-11 19:18, "H Vlems" wrote:  >> >>9 >>>"Lia" <ballbustingbabe@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht : >>>news:f98a9e28.0310110725.6e78bd74@posting.google.com... >>>  >>>>Hey there, >>>>F >>>>I'm looking at two used systems to buy right now...a Dell 620 withH >>>>dual xeon 1ghz processors, and an HP x4000 with dual xeon p4 1.7 ghz >>>>processors.  >>>>	 >>>>[...]  >>> K >>>Glad to help Lia, but one of the rules in this group is that you have to G >>>specify the version of the operating system you're running. Now what  > 	 > version  > 0 >>>of VMS do you (want to) run on those systems? >> >>VMS running on XEONs???  >>	 >>Michael  >> > L > You wouldn't recognize a joke unless it hits you square in the face, would > you ?  >  >    --  
 Wilm Boerhout    w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl  ) remove OLD PAINT from reply address first ' *** my opinions are strictly my own ***    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:14:43 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>E Subject: Re: cpu upgradable in HP x4000 and Dell Precision dual xeon? 0 Message-ID: <3F898C03.744E25B9@sture.homeip.net>   H Vlems wrote: > 8 > "Lia" <ballbustingbabe@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht9 > news:f98a9e28.0310110725.6e78bd74@posting.google.com...  > > Hey there, > > F > > I'm looking at two used systems to buy right now...a Dell 620 withH > > dual xeon 1ghz processors, and an HP x4000 with dual xeon p4 1.7 ghz > > processors.  > > D > > Two questions: First, are these cpu chips upgradable and to what; > > speed? Second, I'm not sure if the Dell is a P3 or a P4 6 > > processor...what's the difference between the two? > > ' > > I look forward to hearing from you!  > >  > > Lia  > J > Glad to help Lia, but one of the rules in this group is that you have toN > specify the version of the operating system you're running. Now what version/ > of VMS do you (want to) run on those systems?  >  > Hans   LOL Hans :-) A nice one!    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:58:03 +0100 ( From: "[AF] Abdulhafid" <af@arcis.co.uk>' Subject: Current Issues Article Archive > Message-ID: <2taib.12660$Cl2.829@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>  L A growing archive of fascinating media articles on current issues & affairs.& Available at Arcis Foundation Website: www.arcis.co.uk/php/   -- Posted by News Bulk Poster Unregistered version   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:15:13 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>4 Subject: FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university4 Message-ID: <3f890d9a$0$20167$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  @ 11-OCT-2003, Paris. FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university.0  From our correspondant in Paris, Ryter Nonshan.  F  > Salut, je suis en ecole d'ingenieur  paris, et on bosse le fortranA  > sous openvms; le pb est que windows n'accepte pas les fichiers ?  > indexs, alors que vms le fait; N'ayant pas de station VMS,  H savez-vous > s'il est possible de s'en procurer une comportant dj VMS 
 et fortran  > d'install dessus ?  E Hi, I'm studying Computer Sciences in an university in Paris. We are  E learning FORTRAN OpenVMS. My problem is that WINDOWS does not handle  H indexed files, what VMS does. I do not have a VMS computer. Do you know A how it is possible to find one with VMS and FORTRAN preinstalled?    (found in fr.comp.os.vms)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:35:09 -0700 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>8 Subject: Re: FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university6 Message-ID: <200310120935.h9C9Z9Mc026901@www.aarg.net>  8 On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:A >11-OCT-2003, Paris. FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university. 1 > From our correspondant in Paris, Ryter Nonshan.  > I > > Salut, je suis en ecole d'ingenieur =E0 paris, et on bosse le fortran B > > sous openvms; le pb est que windows n'accepte pas les fichiersD > > index=E9s, alors que vms le fait; N'ayant pas de station VMS,=20J >savez-vous > s'il est possible de s'en procurer une comportant d=E9j=E0 = VMS=20 >et fortran  > > d'install=E9 dessus ?  > H >Hi, I'm studying Computer Sciences in an university in Paris. We are=20H >learning FORTRAN OpenVMS. My problem is that WINDOWS does not handle=20K >indexed files, what VMS does. I do not have a VMS computer. Do you know=20 B >how it is possible to find one with VMS and FORTRAN preinstalled? >  >(found in fr.comp.os.vms)  , Send 'em over to http://deathrow.vistech.net  ( We've got Fortran on both VAX and Alpha.     Doc. --=20 J OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating system= s.J [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com     http://vmsbox.cjb.n= et   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:28:38 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>: Subject: Re: It's now or perhaps never for a VMS comeback!4 Message-ID: <3f8910c5$0$20161$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   2 > is Carly smart enough to take advantage of this?/ > It is now or perhaps never for a final chance 0 > for the best os in the world to reclaim number	 > one ...   G Please excuse me, Bob. I always tried to avoid to comments your posts,  : as I am not sure what you try to do/demonstrate with them.  H But VMS *is* back. Why are you insisting so much? Did you have recently E a chance to have a beer/glass of wine/milk with some VMS specialists  B from former DEC (people with badge numbers less than 200'000) who E crossed the COMPAQ era? They say: "today, we really feel that we are  
 back to DEC".   
 Just curious.    D.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2003 06:53:00 GMT/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> , Subject: Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-2wdOX9O5Kl4N@localhost>   E On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:19:49 UTC,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   F > Argh!  I have to use a CRAPTOP and it has Reflections.  I can TELNETE > to my systems but I can't seem to figure out how to make the delete + > key send a delete instead of a backspace.  > F > I've looked at the keymap stuff and I think I have it setup to map aD > PeeCee delete to the VT keyboard delete but it still doesn't work. >  > Any pointers?  > G > FWIW, this exercise only goes to enforce my disdain for these loathe- G > some piece of shit toys.  I have diddled about with this cybertoy and G > its playwarez for hours and still can't do a simple character delete.   C I share your frustration Brian. If I have to visit my home site my  E colleague always asks me if I'd rather use the sole remaining VT510.  E The usual answer is yes! However, there are times when I need to use  F his login to test and then I have to remember that VT terminal DELete E is achieved by Ctrl-DEL on his PC/Terminal Emulator. A right pain to   my fingers and brain.   D PS Strangely enough, while I was waiting for the train at Salisbury D station last month, I read about a the recent/imminent release of a  Marillion DvD.   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:37:26 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>, Subject: Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key0 Message-ID: <3F8920D6.53AEA8B2@sture.homeip.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > # > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > > H > > Argh!  I have to use a CRAPTOP and it has Reflections.  I can TELNETG > > to my systems but I can't seem to figure out how to make the delete - > > key send a delete instead of a backspace.  > > H > > I've looked at the keymap stuff and I think I have it setup to map aF > > PeeCee delete to the VT keyboard delete but it still doesn't work. > >  > > Any pointers?  > > I > > FWIW, this exercise only goes to enforce my disdain for these loathe- I > > some piece of shit toys.  I have diddled about with this cybertoy and I > > its playwarez for hours and still can't do a simple character delete.  > I > Depending what version of WRQ Reflection (singular), Setup -> Terminal, I > click the Keyboard tab, select the radio button that says "VT Backspace J > sends" (*)Delete. Then, click <OK> and save your settings (File -> Save) > at some appropriate point. >   G I am sligtly suprised here, because although it's been something like a G decade since I used Reflections, it appeared to be one of the better Vt 
 emulators.  B An alternative is HyperTerminal - private edition for personal use5 available at http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe/index.html   = Do not be misled by the deliberately crippled crapware called G HyperTerminal which comes with Windows. The downloadable version works,  and decently too.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:21:54 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key0 Message-ID: <00A27422.629DEBDF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-2wdOX9O5Kl4N@localhost>, "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> writes: F >On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:19:49 UTC,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > G >> Argh!  I have to use a CRAPTOP and it has Reflections.  I can TELNET F >> to my systems but I can't seem to figure out how to make the delete, >> key send a delete instead of a backspace. >>  G >> I've looked at the keymap stuff and I think I have it setup to map a E >> PeeCee delete to the VT keyboard delete but it still doesn't work.  >>   >> Any pointers? >>  H >> FWIW, this exercise only goes to enforce my disdain for these loathe-H >> some piece of shit toys.  I have diddled about with this cybertoy andH >> its playwarez for hours and still can't do a simple character delete. > D >I share your frustration Brian. If I have to visit my home site my F >colleague always asks me if I'd rather use the sole remaining VT510. F >The usual answer is yes! However, there are times when I need to use G >his login to test and then I have to remember that VT terminal DELete  F >is achieved by Ctrl-DEL on his PC/Terminal Emulator. A right pain to  >my fingers and brain.    C Thanks, I'll try to remember that.  David Dachtera's post showed me A the light and I was able to get the delete key working yesterday.     E >PS Strangely enough, while I was waiting for the train at Salisbury  E >station last month, I read about a the recent/imminent release of a   >Marillion DvD.   D 'Twas that the Union Chapel gig video perhaps.  You should check outD the "Before First LIght" DvD.  Filmed at the friday evening perform-E ance of "Afraid of Sunlight" in Minehead (14.3.2003) and released 36  C hours later (16.3.2003) to all the attending fans.  My name and the C family's is listed in the DVD's "introducing the audience" credits.    --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:19:36 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>" Subject: Re: Leaper Colony meeting0 Message-ID: <3F891CA8.39DD9ABD@sture.homeip.net>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > s > In article <857e9e41.0310100924.50183344@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes: F > >Looks like we have a quorum for a leaper colony meeting at the bootF > >camp.  If any of you are interested here is an older picture of theF > >leaper colony on VAXman's web site .http://www.tmesis.com/pix/ lookI > >for DECUS Geeks.  Folks, Steve S. is going to be there as well (new to  > >the colony in Atlanta). > = > I have just added a directory to http://www.tmesis.com/pix/  > 2 > It is http://www.tmesis.com/pix/GAGGLE_OF_GEEKS/ > G > You'll find pix several people.  Many of the names you will recognize G > from here in comp.os.vms.  Some of these pix are of usual and unusual   > members of the "Leper Colony". > 
 > Enjoy... >   D Thanks Brian. Of the names I recognized, most more or less fitted myB mental picture of them, the surprise being Larry, because I hadn't reckoned with a beard.  G > If you're going to be at the Bootcamp, be forewarned!  You too may be / > added to my "Gaggle of Geeks" pix collection.   H Sorry I'm not attending (phew, lucky escape from the Gaggle collection),7 but it is good to be able to put faces to names. Merci.      --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:28:46 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: Leaper Colony meeting0 Message-ID: <00A27423.58306F04@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <3F891CA8.39DD9ABD@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  {...snip...}> >> I have just added a directory to http://www.tmesis.com/pix/ >>  3 >> It is http://www.tmesis.com/pix/GAGGLE_OF_GEEKS/  >>  H >> You'll find pix several people.  Many of the names you will recognizeH >> from here in comp.os.vms.  Some of these pix are of usual and unusual! >> members of the "Leper Colony".  >>   >> Enjoy...  >>   > E >Thanks Brian. Of the names I recognized, most more or less fitted my C >mental picture of them, the surprise being Larry, because I hadn't  >reckoned with a beard.   D I've met and know a great many of the usual and unusual posters hereC in comp.os.vms.  Problem is, I usually don't have a camera with me. F The pix I scanned came, IIRC, from the DECUS that occurred about 9/11.  D I was actually hoping to meet up with Andrew Harrison when in LondonC this past spring but I'm beginning to think that he might have been  camera shy.     I >Sorry I'm not attending (phew, lucky escape from the Gaggle collection), 8 >but it is good to be able to put faces to names. Merci.  7 Check back after the bootcamp.  I'll see who I can add.    --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:46:11 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: Leaper Colony meeting$ Message-ID: <bmblv3$vjd$1@online.de>  9 In article <00A27423.58306F04@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   5 > >> It is http://www.tmesis.com/pix/GAGGLE_OF_GEEKS/   6 When can we expect some updated pics from the VAXcave?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:56:58 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: Leaper Colony meeting0 Message-ID: <00A27440.6E59E9AD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <bmblv3$vjd$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: : >In article <00A27423.58306F04@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  >@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   > 6 >> >> It is http://www.tmesis.com/pix/GAGGLE_OF_GEEKS/ > 7 >When can we expect some updated pics from the VAXcave?   
 Soon, I hope.   K Last pix were from my wife's Mamiya 645Pro Medium Format camera.  I used it J because I could take off the eye prism and use its screen.  I needed to doI this to allow me to get the camera as far from the subject as possible.     L I might try one of the panorama disposables this time (I used one when I wasK last in Utah to take mountain terrain pix and the results were quite good), K or use 25mm ultra wide angle on the Canon Elan 7e.  At that close distance, L however, a 25mm will distort things much like a fish-eye, though not as bad.   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:58:05 -0400 5 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> 2 Subject: Re: ODS-5 or not ODS-5 What is the answer/ Message-ID: <voinfoj9b7fs33@corp.supernews.com>   F I've been out of newsgroups for a while, so, this response is somewhat* delayed.  Hopefully not too late though...  J If converting a device from ODS2 to ODS5, and you currently share any partJ of that device via Advanced Server for OpenVMS (V7.2 or later), it is veryI important that you run the PWCONVERT utility when you change from ODS2 to  ODS5.   K PWCONVERT will take the extended character encoding found on ODS2 files and I replace it with the actual characters which can now be stored on an ODS-5  volume.    Regards,  
 Brad McCusker  Hewlett-Packard Company  OpenVMS Engineering  Nashua New Hampshire, USA   9 "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote in message ( news:D5Dbb.35$s8.1387@news.on.tac.net...A > I am wondering if it is now ok to covert ODS-2 volumes to ODS-5  > I > There seems to be more and more HP based software like java, python and J > others that require ODS-5 as their volumes.  Is it now safe to run ODS-5! > volumes for production systems.  > L > I currently am running VMS 7.3-1 with latest patches on a DS-25 2x1000 CPUG > system with 8GB memory.  We use RDB and Pathworks as well.  Are there K > performance gains/losses with this or just more Windoz/?inux compatiblity  ? 3 > Is it ok to run ODS-5 on the system disk itself ?  >  > Thanks >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:22:18 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>F Subject: Re: The VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Letter, Vol. 1 Number 1.4 Message-ID: <3f890f43$0$20188$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Michael Unger wrote:  F > - an invalid hyperlink (page 6) resulting in an "unable to open file= > '.\nntp:\comp.os.vms\'" message (Acrobat Reader 5.0 on W2k)   G Well, yeah. It "works" with Netscape, it doesn't with ie (I do not use  I M$ products, but XP, Word, Excel, PPT, Access, MS Project, FrontPage and   I forgot some... :-)  H >  - the 5-columns layout on pages 6 and 7 (the columns are of different > width)  I Used to avoid bad looking justification (I hate hyphens). Thanks for the  	 feedback.    D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:34:35 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)- Subject: Re: What does MSCP_SERVE_ALL=4 mean? $ Message-ID: <bmb3mq$cs9$1@online.de>  H In article <bma7os$5da$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   G > Bit 3 restricts the other bits.  MSCP_SERVE_ALL=1 serves *all* disks.    OK.   G > MSCP_SERVE_ALL=9 serves all disks except those whose allocation class 7 > don't match the server's.  (this is pre-7.2 behavior)    OK.   = > The text isn't clear.  Enter a documentation SPR to fix it.   F OK.  I think it's worse than unclear, it's wrong.  It explicitly says 1 that I should use 9 if I want to serve all disks:   F    If your cluster includes systems running OpenVMS 7.1-x or earlier, F    and you want to serve all available disks, you must specify 9, the (    result of setting this bit and bit 0   G at least if one system in the cluster is running 7.1-x or earlier.  (I  0 don't have such a system, so I can't test this.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:02:02 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>- Subject: Re: What does MSCP_SERVE_ALL=4 mean? 9 Message-ID: <bmb6bt$kc3p5$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   F On 2003-10-12 01:58, "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" wrote:  I > In article <bm9elb$k8s5j$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger  > <unger@decus.de> writes:   > I >> The current (7.3 as well as 7.3-1) documentation is available from the - >> HP web site. I prefer using the PDF files.  > D > Right.  However, I haven't been able to find a substitute for the D > "Search Book(s)" function.  I also like the separate windows with G > library, table of contents, search window, search results, and pages.   H Enable bookmarks ("Windows" -> [x] "Bookmarks") -- it *is* the "table of
 contents".  7 "Edit" -> "Search" (or Ctrl+F) opens a separate window.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:37:15 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)9 Subject: what should SET VOLUME/LABEL do to a shadow set? $ Message-ID: <bmbsfa$5tu$1@online.de>  F If one executes the command SET VOLUME/LABLE with a shadow set as the ? argument, should it change the volume label on all the members?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:03:06 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG= Subject: Re: what should SET VOLUME/LABEL do to a shadow set? 0 Message-ID: <00A27441.497E9DE6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <bmbsfa$5tu$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: G >If one executes the command SET VOLUME/LABLE with a shadow set as the  @ >argument, should it change the volume label on all the members? >    I would sure hope so:    $ SHOW DEVICE DSA4  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP DSA4:                   Mounted              0  Shadow_Set_4   7750449     1   3A $1$DKD300:    (A533U2)  ShadowSetMember      4  (member of DSA4:) A $1$DKD400:    (A533U2)  ShadowSetMember      3  (member of DSA4:)   ' $ SET VOLUME/LABEL="Shadow Set 4" DSA4:    $ DISMOUT/CLUSTER DSA4:   2 $ MOUNT/NOWRITE/OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION $1$DKD300:> %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, Shadow Set 4 mounted on _$1$DKD300: (A533U2)2 $ MOUNT/NOWRITE/OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION $1$DKD400:> %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, Shadow Set 4 mounted on _$1$DKD400: (A533U2)   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:22:06 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) = Subject: Re: what should SET VOLUME/LABEL do to a shadow set? ' Message-ID: <bmbv3e$ij$1@pcls4.std.com>   R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  G >If one executes the command SET VOLUME/LABLE with a shadow set as the  @ >argument, should it change the volume label on all the members?  H Of course.  The shadow set members are what create the shadowset, and isF where all the data resides.  Full members are block-by-block identicalB to the DSAx: shadowset, because they _create_ the DSAx: shadowset. --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:39:39 +0200 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>= Subject: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks * Message-ID: <bmbb8k$5kc$1@reader11.wxs.nl>  F I finally found the time to do a short writeup of a feature we did on H the Hackers Night at the Dutch HP OpenVMS Technical Update Days ("Dutch K Open"): building a VAXcluster of two emulated VAXen with shared SCSI disks.   G Think of a DSSI-type cluster, or an Alpha SCSI cluster, but built with   modern mainstream hardware.   G I welcome your questions, comments and suggestions on the white paper,  < available from http://www.vxcompany.com/im , bottom of page.   --  
 Wilm Boerhout  VX Company, The Netherlands    wboerhoutOLD@PAINTvxcompany.com20 (remove OLD PAINT from reply address before use)  ' *** my opinions are strictly my own ***n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:42:52 -0400c. From: "Rob Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disksi+ Message-ID: <bmblos$4cq$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   n Thanks for getting the word out to the rest of us who were not able to attend the Dutch Technical Update Days.  ~ I suggest the name for your configuration is LAVC with shared SCSI or a Mixed Interconnect Cluster since the interconnect that carries the cluster traffic names the cluster type, by convention.  The term "SCSI-cluster" incorrectly implies that the SCSI bus is carrying SCA cluster traffic.e   Be wary of using the 100Mb Ethernet setting for the NI speed.  In clusters we've built on the other side of the pond, activities asS simple as disk to disk copy between clusters can swamp the NI and cause the cluster to become unstable.  The 10Mb setting avoids
 that pitfall.S   Shared SCSI has a very limited number of configurations possible due to the cable length restrictions of SCSI.  The best way we have} found to build scalable clusters is to use Fibre Channel.  The same PK port driver is used for SCSI and Fibre Channel and theeN performance profile with an HSG80 or MSA1000 storage controller is impressive.  | As you find additional hints and kinks, keep the information flowing.  The community at large all benefit from your efforts.  	 Rob Lyonso Resilient Systems Inc. w-w-w.resilientsys.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:05:00 +0200t2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI diskse* Message-ID: <bmbn9m$lml$1@reader11.wxs.nl>  I Thanks Rob, I will keep this channel open for a few weeks and then write c a version 1.1.  G As for the naming, the "Guidelines for OpenVMS Cluster Systems" manual .E speaks of a "SCSI multihost OpenVMS Cluster" where Alpha systems are dC concernd. So, maybe a "SCSI multihost OpenVMS VAXcluster" would be eD appropriate? I like your suggestion of "Mixed Interconnect" as well.   Rob Lyons wrote:p > Thanks for getting the word out to the rest of us who were not able to attend the Dutch Technical Update Days. >  > I suggest the name for your configuration is LAVC with shared SCSI or a Mixed Interconnect Cluster since the interconnect that > carries the cluster traffic names the cluster type, by convention.  The term "SCSI-cluster" incorrectly implies that the SCSI bus is > carrying SCA cluster traffic.  >  > Be wary of using the 100Mb Ethernet setting for the NI speed.  In clusters we've built on the other side of the pond, activities ass > simple as disk to disk copy between clusters can swamp the NI and cause the cluster to become unstable.  The 10Mb setting avoids > that pitfall.d >  > Shared SCSI has a very limited number of configurations possible due to the cable length restrictions of SCSI.  The best way we have > found to build scalable clusters is to use Fibre Channel.  The same PK port driver is used for SCSI and Fibre Channel and the P > performance profile with an HSG80 or MSA1000 storage controller is impressive. > ~ > As you find additional hints and kinks, keep the information flowing.  The community at large all benefit from your efforts. >  > Rob Lyonse > Resilient Systems Inc. > w-w-w.resilientsys.com >  >    --  
 Wilm Boerhoutl   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl  ) remove OLD PAINT from reply address first.' *** my opinions are strictly my own ***E   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.566 ************************