1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 13 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 568       Contents:( Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??$ Re: anyone running 7.3-1 with 64 MB?/ Re: FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university ( Re: HP/COMPAQ DEGPA-TA 1000BaseT/Gigabit Re: If HP had any brains ...% Re: ITRC Download site - some answers - Re: ITRC Patch Download FAQ for OpenVMS users  Re: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade  Re: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade * Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS Re: ODBTP on VMS ? OpenVMS adds DII-COE modules Re: PMGC-B card on DEC3000/M600  Re: Sickening, isn't it? Re: Sun takes a hit  Re: Sun takes a hit A Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade) A Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade) A Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade) A Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade) A Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade) A Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade) = Re: The VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Letter, Vol. 1 Number 1. : The VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Letter, Vol. 1 Number 1a.
 VMS to SQL Re: VMS to SQL% Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:03:37 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? F Message-ID: <d9zib.97731$ko%.778@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   http://www.itu.int/WORLD2003/    for show information.   " And now the quote of the day......L http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/ArticL le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1065996617113&call_pageid=968350072197&col=9690488638 51     Oct. 13, 2003. 01:00 AM   HP to focus on telecoms sales  K GENEVA-Hewlett-Packard yesterday launched a dozen new products and services G aimed at the communications industry, saying it aims to double telecoms 6 sales to $12 billion (U.S.) a year within three years.  L "We have $6 billion annual sales in core services and products to (telecoms)J carriers and network equipment vendors. We've said to ourselves we want toK double that in three years time," Marc Rotthier, HP's European chief of its 5 telecoms unit, told Reuters in a telephone interview.   J The telecoms sector is already the single biggest industry sector in terms of HP sales, he added.  K Rotthier, speaking from the ITU Telecom World trade show, said the products K and services HP introduced were part of the company's drive to tie together D many different technologies to create new services for consumers and enterprises.  D HP, the world's largest printer maker, will offer a service to printK snapshots taken with a mobile camera phone directly on an HP printer over a   wireless short-range connection.  H Market researchers expect camera phones to quadruple to over 200 million units by 2006.  L Other examples of new HP products included a location-based service for Bell	 Mobility.   J Wireless local area networks (WiFi) also featured prominently in the rangeD of announcements, including a secure network for the Greater TorontoJ Airports Authority that will be used to improve baggage delivery, aircraft inspection and security.   FROM REUTERS NEWS AGENCY      I Given the above quote, what if any prominence was VMS given at this trade  show?   L It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the telecom field byL $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So what products are going to  fuel the growth they anticipate?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:25:50 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) - Subject: Re: anyone running 7.3-1 with 64 MB? 1 Message-ID: <yeBib.6920$9e1.771@news.cpqcorp.net>   w In article <bm8tp1$guf$3@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: H :I have an ALPHAstation 255/233 with 64 MB at 7.2-1.  I plan to upgrade I :to 7.3-1 soon, possibly this weekend.  Is anyone actually running 7.3-1  ' :with just 64 MB?  Is it even possible?   A   The SPD has the official supported minimum memory requirements.   K   Is this configuration possible?  Probably yes.  But how patient are you?    C :Note that I am not just running core VMS, but also DECwindows.  In D :addition, the machine is running the OSU server, has 7 SCSI devicesE :attached, some of them shadowed (with devices on the same controller H :(there is only one on the machine) or with other disks in the cluster)  :and is in a cluster.   E   It'll be slow, and I'd expect various of the caching to effectively C   disable itself because of insufficient available physical memory. D   XFC tends to disable itself when within low-memory conditions, for>   instance -- this means I/O hits the disk, and not the cache.  I :Performance now is acceptable, though it could be better of course.  (I  @ :haven't analysed things to see where the real bottlenecks are.)  E   Performance can be _way_ better with free memory.  OpenVMS VAX runs D   better with free physical memory.  OpenVMS Alpha runs *far* better   with free memory available.   H :I understand that 7.3-1 has many performance improvements.  So, things I :might actually get better.  On the other hand, perhaps I need more than  ( :64 MB to actually take advantage of it.  F   I'd expect performance to be below that you could otherwise achieve.  I :A related question---is there ever any reason at all not to put as much  I :memory into the machine as possible?  (I think I can put 8 128-MB SIMMs  
 :in the 255.)   K   If you can get a newer (and faster) Alpha box for little or no additional M   cash outlay, rather than upgrading the memory within this 233 MHz EV45 box?   J   Otherwise, I'd load the box with 192 or more megabytes.  System limit isJ   1 GB, using 8 SIMM slots organized into two banks of 4 SIMMs each.  EachI   memory bank must have identical SIMMs (60- or 70ns 33- or 36-bit 72-pin I   DRAM SIMMs, don't mix speeds and sizes within a bank), and is organized H   into two contiguous groups of four SIMM slots each.   Good quality 32,J   64, 128 and 256 MB SIMMs should work.   There is no requirement that theI   banks be equally sized, and there is no restriction on which of the two    banks is larger.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2003 08:59:13 -05004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)8 Subject: Re: FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university3 Message-ID: <d6eABcHRNP3O@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <3f890d9a$0$20167$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: B > 11-OCT-2003, Paris. FORTRAN / VMS taught in a French university.2 >  From our correspondant in Paris, Ryter Nonshan. > H >  > Salut, je suis en ecole d'ingenieur  paris, et on bosse le fortranC >  > sous openvms; le pb est que windows n'accepte pas les fichiers A >  > indexs, alors que vms le fait; N'ayant pas de station VMS,  J > savez-vous > s'il est possible de s'en procurer une comportant dj VMS  > et fortran >  > d'install dessus ? > G > Hi, I'm studying Computer Sciences in an university in Paris. We are  G > learning FORTRAN OpenVMS. My problem is that WINDOWS does not handle  J > indexed files, what VMS does. I do not have a VMS computer. Do you know C > how it is possible to find one with VMS and FORTRAN preinstalled?  >  > (found in fr.comp.os.vms)     H How about EISNER. I've used it to compile my personal Fortran stuff thatH goes back to PDP-11 and even PDP-8 days. Thought something was wrong theH first time. What takes 15 minutes to run on my old PDP-11 at home ran in under one SECOND!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:00:36 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>1 Subject: Re: HP/COMPAQ DEGPA-TA 1000BaseT/Gigabit ' Message-ID: <bme0ib$2f1$1@lore.csc.com>    Alan wrote:  >  > This is a long shot... > = > Is there anyway to get a DEGPA-TA 1000BaseT/Gigabit network  > card working with a:-  > = > DIGITAL Server 3000 Model 3300 6400A running OpenVMS V7.2-1   H I'm not sure even later consoles see the card. I could be losing it, butH in a DS20E you can't see that card either. Just try booting VMS with the1 latest patches. You *may* need to consider 7.2-2.   D Reason I say this, is I needed the MAC address off the card, and I'mG almost certain that I couldn't see this card until I booted VMS (7.3-1) 3 but I could see a 10/100 (Don't recall which) fine.   G Not that I wish to contradict Hoff, but just not seeing it from console E is sometimes not the last word. Where do I queue for English lessons?    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:12:35 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>% Subject: Re: If HP had any brains ... 0 Message-ID: <3F8ABF8E.2091B044@blueyonder.co.uk>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > > now that VMS has coe functionality, they would save a ton of= > money by forgetting the tur64 to hp unix port and just port ? > everything to OpenVMS itanium ... like I said if they had any  > brains ...  > Bob, have you considered "their" objectives might be different to your own?   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:58:36 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com. Subject: Re: ITRC Download site - some answersQ Message-ID: <OF56412C34.E3A32CBF-ON85256DBE.00621605-85256DBE.006264E8@metso.com>   4 Digest Name:  weekly Open VMS Alpha 7.X patch digest*     Created:  Sun Oct 12  9:06:17 EDT 2003   Table of Contents:   Document ID      Title ---------------  -----------: VMS73_F11X-V0200  F11X Facility Kit For OpenVMS Alpha V7.3; VMS731_TTDRVR-V0100  TTDRVR Facility Kit for OpenVMS V7.3-1 B VMS731_SYSLOA-V0100  CLUSTER Facility Patch Kit for OpenVMS V7.3-1= VMS722_F11X-V0200  F11X Facility Kit for OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2 < VMS73_ACRTL-V0600  ACRTL Facility kit for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3F VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0400  Fibre Channel / SCSI Facility Kit for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1A VMS731_F11X-V0200  F11X Facility ECO kit for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 ? VMS731_DCL-V0400  DCL Facility ECO kit for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1   . Does not list these which are on the FTP site.  7 AXP_DOSIECO02V0703-1.PCI-DXC_AXPEXE  10/10/2003 08:37am 7 AXP_DOSIECO02V0703-1.txt             10/10/2003 08:37am 7 AXP_DOSIECO02V0703.PCI-DXC_AXPEXE    10/10/2003 08:37am 7 AXP_DOSIECO02V0703.txt               10/10/2003 08:37am   $ Does the merit concern or attention?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:28:16 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>6 Subject: Re: ITRC Patch Download FAQ for OpenVMS users8 Message-ID: <13olov4tgu1abaqodq8npbckum69d3gooa@4ax.com>  N On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:52:25 GMT, "George Pagliarulo" <georgepag@adelphia.net> wrote:  K >   I've compiled the questions and comments I've received from users about L >the new ITRC patch download site into an FAQ.  Hopefully this will help theE >transition to the new site go smoother and answer a lot of lingering  >questions.  >  >George Pagliarulo >Hewlett-Packard Company  P Thanks for putting this together -- can you also post it on the ITRC web site? IN spent awhile trying to find it there today, with no success. My best guess was. the FAQ section on the site but no luck there.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:58:57 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> ( Subject: Re: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade) Message-ID: <3F8A6951.15AF7F51@Omond.net>    sms@antinode.org wrote:   J >    As the current junk-e-mail tide ebbs and flows, I wonder about simpleB > enhancements to the TCPIP SMTP system to help cope.  Rather thanH > attempting to build every useful anti-junk feature into the main code,I > how about adding a big hook which would let the local system manager or  > user participate?  > I >    For example, how difficult would it be to accommodate something like H > running a DCL procedure (TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:SMTP_MESSAGE_CHECK.COM) forE > each incoming message?  It would be handy if DCL symbols or logical F > names (or even P1-P8) could be provided to hold useful data like theF > recipient, the source IP address, popular header items, and the fileI > spec where the body of the message could be found.  The procedure could F > do its analysis as it pleased, act accordingly, and then exit with aH > status which would determine whether the message would be delivered or > discarded. > ) >    Easy?  Hard?  Troublesome?  Useless?   6 Easy. It's already available, and it's called DELIVER.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:34:45 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>( Subject: Re: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade/ Message-ID: <00A274E4.EFC9F6CB.1@tachysoft.com>   7 X-News: tachysoft.com local.mail_to_news.info_vax:13342   > >From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.582974.killspam.0146 (Wayne Sewell)) >Subject: Re: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade  >Date: 12 Oct 2003 22:43:08 CDT / >Message-ID: <i5$o0sTJaqCS@tachxxsoftxxconsult>   K >Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (198.151.12.104) by moe.tachysoft.com (MX V5.3 5 >          AnHm) with SMTP for <wayne@tachysoft.com>; * >          Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:11:00 -0500 >From: sms@antinode.org  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms) >Subject: Re: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade * >Message-ID: <03101222091782@antinode.org>, >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:09:17 -0500 (CDT). >Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway$ >X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List
 >Lines: 23 >Reply-To: sms@antinode.org  >X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.com  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > I >   As the current junk-e-mail tide ebbs and flows, I wonder about simple A >enhancements to the TCPIP SMTP system to help cope.  Rather than G >attempting to build every useful anti-junk feature into the main code, H >how about adding a big hook which would let the local system manager or >user participate? > H >   For example, how difficult would it be to accommodate something likeG >running a DCL procedure (TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:SMTP_MESSAGE_CHECK.COM) for D >each incoming message?  It would be handy if DCL symbols or logicalE >names (or even P1-P8) could be provided to hold useful data like the E >recipient, the source IP address, popular header items, and the file H >spec where the body of the message could be found.  The procedure couldE >do its analysis as it pleased, act accordingly, and then exit with a G >status which would determine whether the message would be delivered or  >discarded.  > ( >   Easy?  Hard?  Troublesome?  Useless? >   K Very easy.  Turn off the smtp in the stack and use MX instead.  The MX SITE I interface allows you to do anything you want with incoming messages.  For  instance, in my procedure:  M 1.  I do a second-level check for spam.  I scan the *body* of the message for I     spam trigger words, make sure my address appears in either the to: or J     cc: field.  Since I rarely deal with the billyworld, or at least thoseK     too stupid to turn off html in mail, any message containing "text/html" K     hits the trigger.  Since stuff like this *might* be legitimate, it gets M     shunted to a spam directory rather than delivered.  If I don't get around 4     to looking at it, it goes away after a few days.  I 2.  I handle mailing lists, such as info-vax, explicitly.  I have to use  H     info-vax rather than comp.os.vms these days, but I still prefer the O     usenet mechanism, i.e. I don't have to see it until I'm ready to read news. @     So the mailing list messages get fed into news, in the groupL     local.info-vax, rather than delivered though mail.  Then I can read themJ     at my leisure with anu news like I always did.  No broadcast messages B     telling me I have mail when it's just something from info-vax.   Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2003 06:15:43 -0700* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)3 Subject: Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS < Message-ID: <d28306e.0310130515.1df3164a@posting.google.com>  C Yes, it is the hobbyist version. (Pretty neat!  I'm licensed to run ; All-in-1 in Hangul, or DECwindows in German, if I want to.)   * I'll check on SAMBA. Thanks for the reply.   denny   s Ken Robinson <sendspamhere@rbnsn.com> wrote in message news:<0d727c4470e3070b46783436a37fb8cc@news.teranews.com>... 0 > denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) wrote in 6 > news:d28306e.0310121632.5a427982@posting.google.com: > > > > I need to map a drive on an XP Winders (r) box to my Alpha+ > > workstations, or vice versa would work.  > > H > > The important thing is to be able to transfer data by simply puttingJ > > it into a folder on one machine and then reading it out on the other. > > > Data is pretty much text, or possibly zip files (VMS ZIP). > > N > looks like you're running a hobbyist version of VMS, so your best bet would ? > be Samba. This was recently announced on the Samba VMS list:  / > (<http://lists.samba.org/listinfo/samba-vms>)  > 0 > Subject: Samba/VMS 2.2.8 New version availableK > A new version is available on http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/  >  > Ken Robinson > kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:54:44 +0400 < From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelelecom{dot}RU> Subject: Re: ODBTP on VMS ? 3 Message-ID: <AB4CE668651116503818F36547E7493E@nntp>    www.freetds.org ?      Dieter Ro?bach wrote:   & > I have two questions about unixODBC: > J > 1. is there a "official" port for OpenVMS, or do I have to do it myself?E > 2. has anybody tried it together with the ODBC support of CSWS_PHP? & >    That would be a need combination! > 	 > Regards  >  > Dieter >    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:00:28 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: OpenVMS adds DII-COE modules 9 Message-ID: <3eyib.2965$PM2.228979@news20.bellglobal.com>   K Interesting OpenVMS article at "the Inquirer" regarding Defense Information M Infrastructure Common Operating Environment (DII COE) and UNIX compatibility. 5 Like the author said, HP probably won't mention this.   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12033   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:16:46 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)( Subject: Re: PMGC-B card on DEC3000/M6001 Message-ID: <2Bxib.6896$p_.6105@news.cpqcorp.net>   i In article <d28306e.0310121621.3226d511@posting.google.com>, denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) writes:   B >I have a Sandpiper (DEC3000/M600) with a PMAGC-B Turbochannel I/OF >card, and a VRT19-HA monitor.  The card is running firmware V1.2, and# >the Sandpiper is running VMS7.3-1.  > ? >When I boot VMS, VMs complains about DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE No  >graphics device found.  > C >VMS on the Sandpiper reports a GVA0: device, but it is offline.  I D >edited a number of DECW$*.COM files to add a device "GV", but to no >avail.   @ The document I have available on graphics devices indicates thatE you have to install the Open3D kit to get the driver for this device. @ There is a pointer to the kit in the "Ask The Wizard" section ofA the OpenVMS web page.  A search on "open3d" will get you pointers  to several articles.     --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:17:32 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>! Subject: Re: Sickening, isn't it? 0 Message-ID: <3F8AC0B7.7EF6C21E@blueyonder.co.uk>   Howard Shubs wrote:  > ? > In article <a48f6f51.0310100219.24f6bd9e@posting.google.com>, ; >  stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) wrote:  > P > > Give Reuters a break. We use loads of Alpha and VAX systems running OpenVMS. > ( > Tell it to the reporter on that story.  ? Can't do that, its no doubt commercially sensitive information.    >  > --F > You are what you eat, therefore, I'm a vegetable!  Cows and chickens > and Pop Tarts are too.  9 And I thought I was the only veggie comp.os.vms reader...  --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:39:49 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  Subject: Re: Sun takes a hit0 Message-ID: <bmdrt5$421$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > In article <blu5jl$osa$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Greg Cagle wrote:  >> >>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>>  >>> ; >>>>"Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message    > K > Do you mean 7500K or just 7500 there? I do have memories of Red Hat about O > 4 years ago quoting on their website something like USD 50K p.a. for support. K > Of course that was when dot com money was flowing freely, Red Hat had yet G > to make a profit, so it may have been a figure plucked from the ether 6 > to make investors think they were onto a good thing. > * > Whatever, it didn't exactly sound cheap. >    Sorry I ment 7.5K.   > C >>Then IBM GS or HP services who helped you migrate to Linux in the @ >>first place (to save you money) ha ha turn up with an offer to: >>help you consolidate all those little Linux boxes onto aA >>pSeries/zSeries/SuperDome (something with a commercial strength B >>OS with resource management etc etc) to save you money ha ha ha. >> > L > Andrew, that makes eminent sense. Thanks, it's a compelling argument _for_
 > HP's offer.  > H > Just for the record, I will say I have tried various flavours of LinuxH > at home. I liked it for the vast array of utilities that came with theI > CD sets, but as discussed here, that doesn't make the essential core of K > Linux necessarily the best flavour of *nix. The publicity and availabilty I > on the high street is great, but I'll tell you now that the Red Hat 6.n O > documentation was a disgrace, SuSE 7.n was excellent (except that configuring C > the networking was extremely labour intensive), with far superior M > documentation. SuSE 8.0 and 8.2 also had great documentation but as shipped O > were so broken I simply gave up. At 40-50 quid a shot (for SuSE - Red Hat 6.n : > was a _lot_ more expensive than that), I could afford to" > just write it off to experience. >   > I am using SuSE 8 which seems fine but then we have made a few= changes to it as part of the JDS AkA Mad Hatter distribution.   B > Now, comparing Linux with the Tru64 man pages and documentation,B > I came to the conclusion that Linux could be (sort of) fine, butF > a reasonably fast Internet "always on" Internet connection is pretty+ > mandatory to get the info that's missing.  > I > In contrast, with Tru64 I could probably get to grips with it using the 1 > printed documentation and (superior) man pages.  > I > I believe you are correct to point out that in spite of the hype, Linux H > is far from "free", but any manufacturer who chooses to ignore all the( > free publicity does so at their peril.  D The wierdest thing about Linux is that the feeling of Deja vue I getB everytime I see Linux mentioned. Its very like the hype arround NTB when it first came out. The OS for everything and the end of world hunger as well.   @ When NT came out the hype was being generated by a whole load of? MS marketing droids who clearly had absolutely no idea what was = required for a datacenter OE and who no one could describe as  being well meaning.   > The people hyping Linux seem more well meaning than MS but the( gap is similar in terms of capabilities.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:06:49 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  Subject: Re: Sun takes a hit0 Message-ID: <bme109$5ph$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:: > "Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message9 > news:bec993c8.0310070803.4e75038c@posting.google.com...  > K >>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  > ? > wrote in message news:<blu5jl$osa$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > D >>>Exentually you realise that Free Linux is in fact Expensive LinuxC >>>unless you think that paying 7.5K over 3 years for SW support on & >>>a box that costs 6K is a good deal. >>K >>7.5K and 6K are both in the noise... unless you're talking about hundreds L >>or thousands or tens of thousands of boxes.  If you've got that many boxesL >>then you *do* go with the open-source alternative and self-support becauseH >>you have all the sources and you built from them.  (Or at least that's >>what I hope happens!)  >  > F > While I don't really care to enter any portion of my anatomy in thisK > particular pissing contest, I've just got to ask:  how did the supposedly K > direct quote from Andrew above get its 7500K figure (at least that's what M > his post contains in the copy on *my* news server) get magically changed to K > 7.5K - and why didn't Andrew complain about it in his later response (his N > point presumably having been that supporting even a single inexpensive LinuxI > box can cost a hell of a lot of money in certain circumstances, a point N > which your response completely ignores by virtue of having changed the value > to 7.5K)?  >   K I meant 7.5K or 7500 7500K is a typo, Tim's follow on corrected my mistake.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2003 04:37:36 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade)3 Message-ID: <80XikoaGBR+7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <3F8A6951.15AF7F51@Omond.net>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:  > sms@antinode.org wrote:  > K >>    As the current junk-e-mail tide ebbs and flows, I wonder about simple C >> enhancements to the TCPIP SMTP system to help cope.  Rather than I >> attempting to build every useful anti-junk feature into the main code, J >> how about adding a big hook which would let the local system manager or >> user participate? >>J >>    For example, how difficult would it be to accommodate something likeI >> running a DCL procedure (TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:SMTP_MESSAGE_CHECK.COM) for F >> each incoming message?  It would be handy if DCL symbols or logicalG >> names (or even P1-P8) could be provided to hold useful data like the G >> recipient, the source IP address, popular header items, and the file J >> spec where the body of the message could be found.  The procedure couldG >> do its analysis as it pleased, act accordingly, and then exit with a I >> status which would determine whether the message would be delivered or 
 >> discarded.  >>* >>    Easy?  Hard?  Troublesome?  Useless? > 8 > Easy. It's already available, and it's called DELIVER.  F At least the way it is implemented on DECUServe, DELIVER seems to onlyG get its hands on email _after_ the SMTP Accept has already been issued.   D Unless screening is done in time to issue an SMTP Reject, it is only7 a patch-up effort doing no real damage to the spammers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:47:46 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>J Subject: Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade)/ Message-ID: <00A274E6.C180377E.6@tachysoft.com>   + >>>    Easy?  Hard?  Troublesome?  Useless?  >>  9 >> Easy. It's already available, and it's called DELIVER.  > G >At least the way it is implemented on DECUServe, DELIVER seems to only H >get its hands on email _after_ the SMTP Accept has already been issued. > E >Unless screening is done in time to issue an SMTP Reject, it is only 8 >a patch-up effort doing no real damage to the spammers.      N My main concern is that the message not break through so that I am bothered byO it.  It is *best* if the reject occurs at the smtp accept level, but if that is H not possible (nothing indicating spam appears in the headers), then I amG perfectly happy to incur the overhead of a second level check after the J complete message arrives on my system.  This would not be *instead* of the< header checks of the smtp server, but in *addition* to them.  O With both levels of interception in operation hardly anything breaks through to K appear in vms mail any more.  Scanning for "text/html" in the *body* of the  message stops nearly all spam.   Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2003 08:04:42 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade)3 Message-ID: <5d9y9Kq6Juel@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <00A274E6.C180377E.6@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:, >>>>    Easy?  Hard?  Troublesome?  Useless? >>> : >>> Easy. It's already available, and it's called DELIVER. >>H >>At least the way it is implemented on DECUServe, DELIVER seems to onlyI >>get its hands on email _after_ the SMTP Accept has already been issued.  >>F >>Unless screening is done in time to issue an SMTP Reject, it is only9 >>a patch-up effort doing no real damage to the spammers.  >  >  > P > My main concern is that the message not break through so that I am bothered byQ > it.  It is *best* if the reject occurs at the smtp accept level, but if that is J > not possible (nothing indicating spam appears in the headers), then I amI > perfectly happy to incur the overhead of a second level check after the L > complete message arrives on my system.  This would not be *instead* of the> > header checks of the smtp server, but in *addition* to them. > Q > With both levels of interception in operation hardly anything breaks through to M > appear in vms mail any more.  Scanning for "text/html" in the *body* of the   > message stops nearly all spam.  1 Wow !  How does that string get into the _body_ ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:08:18 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>J Subject: Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade)/ Message-ID: <00A274FA.63AA8C1C.1@tachysoft.com>    >>  R >> With both levels of interception in operation hardly anything breaks through toN >> appear in vms mail any more.  Scanning for "text/html" in the *body* of the! >> message stops nearly all spam.  > 2 >Wow !  How does that string get into the _body_ ?    N It's been my observation that it appears *mostly* in the body.  I have a check> for it in the header, but it really hasn't had that many hits.    
 Rule ID: 1146n#     Header: Content-Type: text/htmliN     Added: 13-MAR-2003 17:57:54.12, Ref count: 262, Last ref date: 11-OCT-2003 01:40:24.22s ---   
 Rule ID: 1196P$     Header: Content-Type: text/html*N     Added: 29-MAR-2003 19:07:32.15, Ref count: 162, Last ref date: 12-OCT-2003 00:57:51.61M ---r    @ Hmm, appears I have redundant rules.  I'll remove the first one.    O In any case, these counts are small compared to the messages intercepted by theE check for html in the body.D  I What I usually see is "text/alternative" or some shit in the header, then N "text/plain" and "text/html" in the body.  I think you only see "text/html" in> the header if the message is entirely html with no plain text.   WaynenO ===============================================================================nN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   (O ===============================================================================VH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"f   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2003 11:13:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)3J Subject: Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade)3 Message-ID: <2Pgu7zfcwB91@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  Z In article <00A274FA.63AA8C1C.1@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes: >>> S >>> With both levels of interception in operation hardly anything breaks through totO >>> appear in vms mail any more.  Scanning for "text/html" in the *body* of thea" >>> message stops nearly all spam. >>3 >>Wow !  How does that string get into the _body_ ?s >  > @ > It's been my observation that it appears *mostly* in the body.  Q > In any case, these counts are small compared to the messages intercepted by the  > check for html in the body.e > * > What I usually see is "text/alternative"   That would be MIME.i  + > "text/plain" and "text/html" in the body.t  % Ah.  Associated with a MIME boundary.s  % > I think you only see "text/html" ina@ > the header if the message is entirely html with no plain text.  G Correct, but I assumed anyone rejecting HTML messages would also rejecty MIME messages.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2003 11:57:00 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgJ Subject: Re: TCPIP anti-spam mechanisms (was: Latest VMS Critical Upgrade)3 Message-ID: <f072Ynkl2Htv@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  c In article <2Pgu7zfcwB91@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:,\ > In article <00A274FA.63AA8C1C.1@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:R >> In any case, these counts are small compared to the messages intercepted by the >> check for html in the body. >> i+ >> What I usually see is "text/alternative"P >  > That would be MIME.o > , >> "text/plain" and "text/html" in the body. > ' > Ah.  Associated with a MIME boundary.n  @ Probably "multipart/alternative" rather than "text/alternative".  E Also, content-type tags such as "multipart/alternative", "text/plain"gG or "text/html" are associated with message body-parts, rather than withNC boundaries.  The boundaries come in because body-parts with certain C content-types ("multipart/mixed", "multipart/alternative", etc) areeF sub-divided into nested body-parts using the boundary tag that appears in the header as a delimiter.o  & >> I think you only see "text/html" inA >> the header if the message is entirely html with no plain text.  > I > Correct, but I assumed anyone rejecting HTML messages would also rejecti > MIME messages.  D That doesn't follow.  Ads for enlargement products, specialty videosI and the like tend to be formatted with HTML.  A body test for "text/html"ED will catch those nicely.  As would a header test for "mime-version:"  B But ordinary business correspondence with attachments tends to useE MIME (multipart/mixed) but not HTML.  A test for "text/html" would do ? little harm.  But a test for "mime-version:" would wreak havoc.n  H Non-delivery reports are also often MIME-formatted with an attachment of type "message/rfc822".   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:11:20 GMTn# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) F Subject: Re: The VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Letter, Vol. 1 Number 1.2 Message-ID: <Y0Bib.6916$9e1.2611@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <3F87E2BC.4ED7D024@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:t :Looks great !  E   We don't yet have the full porting documentation material availableFD   for OpenVMS I64, but that work is underway.  Here is some related:  *     http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/.       alpha_retaintrust/openvms/resources.html  *     http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/C       alpha_retaintrust/download/openvms-i64-porting-whitepaper.pdfe     :Havn't had time to read yet :-)  C   There are a few problems I see.  I too have not had the chance toVE   completely review the material, nor to check the details -- I'm nottE   in a position to vet the materials, for that matter.  This reply isa3   based on a cursory examination of the document...d     :Didier Morandi wrote: :> t9 :> http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdfw :>  3 :> Feedback welcome: mailto:didiermorandi@nerim.net-  I   Reporting URL errors directly would be useful, otherwise I get to spende&   the morning hunting down dead links.  G   As for searching through the existing Ask The Wizard topics, downloado9   the entire omnibus wizard.zip archive, and search that.u  K   Macro32 is available on both OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 as a compiler, J   and on OpenVMS VAX as the native assembler, and is considered supported &   as it is considered part of OpenVMS.  H   Macro64 is not being ported from OpenVMS Alpha to OpenVMS I64, and itsI   use is and was generally discouraged.  The compiler is on the Freeware.r  F   PL/1 is a Kednos product, and questions on PL/I status and plans and#   support should be directed there.s  H   The OpenVMS VAX CDA converter library and the DECwrite RTF converters I   are queued for release on Freeware V6.0, and DECwindows itself contains-F   various of the CDA converters on both OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha.  F   At least one error potentially cited against the Ask The Wizard areaD   appears to be elsewhere at the HP website; in the Natural LanguageI   Search Assistant (nee AskQ).  A search of the Ask The Wizard area showsfH   no (matching) URL references containing the search string "h18000", so@   I'm not at all certain where the cited dead link might reside.  H   A fixed-price TDMS service is now available on OpenVMS Alpha -- I haveE   passed along a reference to the folks that maintain TDMS to get thecF   product porting page (see URL below) updated.  Here is the TDMS URL:  2     http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/cpss.html  H   The product name was changed from "VAX/VMS" to "OpenVMS VAX" roughly a   decade ago now, FWIW.s  ;   The SIMH VAX emulator will be available on Freeware V6.0.o  <   Here are some of the posted OpenVMS product porting plans:  *     http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/2       alpha_retaintrust/openvms/openvms_plans.html  L   The Notes conferencing software is expected to come across to OpenVMS I64,I   and kits are staged for the Freeware V6.0 release.  Windows client kitsVK   are also presently available on Freeware V5.0, and kits will be availableo   on Freeware V6.0.M  J   This based on a quick review, I expect there are some other errors here.G   (Some in the materials, so possibly at various websites -- I have not J   particularly sought out nor confirmed various of the materials that were%   directly or indirectly referenced.)w   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:23:01 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>C Subject: The VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Letter, Vol. 1 Number 1a.33 Message-ID: <3f8adf82$0$2773$626a54ce@news.free.fr>    Merci beaucoup.t$ (off: I was scared of Hoff cough :-)  H A new version with some typos and grammatical errors fixed is available G from the same location: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf   E I take this opportunity to thank all of you who sent feedback, and a n special thanks to L.  4 To my big surprise, most of you are not cov writers. Funny.  E I will also post somewhere some more info I received from SRI on the t/ double VEST/AEST translation. Should work fine.h   D.  & Hoff Hoffman wrote his first comments: ---8<---   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:29:57 +0100 1 From: "CCA Dave" <david@ccagroup-notreally.co.uk>  Subject: VMS to SQL 4 Message-ID: <bmdram$13q$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  K Does anyone have any experience of reading & writing an SQL (2000) databasen
 from VMS 7.3?o  L We need to interface our "legacy" Alpha to Microsoft Navision which uses SQL 2000.   + Any help would be very gratefully received.    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:26:22 +0400 < From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelelecom{dot}RU> Subject: Re: VMS to SQLw3 Message-ID: <1E22CF656A2CED25EFB2306969177DC8@nntp>-   http://www.freetds.org1 http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/work/freetds/r   CCA Dave wrote:u  M > Does anyone have any experience of reading & writing an SQL (2000) database8 > from VMS 7.3?8 > N > We need to interface our "legacy" Alpha to Microsoft Navision which uses SQL > 2000.a > - > Any help would be very gratefully received.e >  > Dave >  >  >    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-32227F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:50:50 GMTS4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?0 Message-ID: <3F8ABA75.6FE42A89@blueyonder.co.uk>   Alan Greig wrote:O > u > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<ebghb.6704$E04.4489@news.cpqcorp.net>.../ > K > > Drawing conclusions about V8.0 performance to the production release inOP > > 2004, would be like using Alpha V1.0 Beta as a characterization of Alpha VMS > > performance. > . > Which was actuallly pretty good as I recall.  2 That was hardware engineered to run VMS, remember.   -- 8 tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.568 ************************