1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 571       Contents: Re: Advertising in HP  Re: Advertising in HP . Re: Another reason to loathe Micro$haft OSs..., Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default Re: Binary to Ascii files  Re: Binary to Ascii files 1 edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console H Re: How clean is the snapshot when dismounting a member of a shadow set?; Itanium/Integrity & EV7/Marvel leadership benchmark results # Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key # Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key * Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS* Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS* Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS? Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive research report on HPQ C Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive research report on HPQ   Multiple instances of CSWS_JAVA? Re: nagios plugin for vms & New OpenVMS system with no root passwd* Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd* Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd. OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 Re: PLI land is unreachable  Re: PLI land is unreachable  Re: Port-forwarding FTP P Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive resP Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive researc( Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address, Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address, Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address% Shared distribution of hobbyist media & Re: Slow Shadow Copy with 36 GB drivesD StorageWorks EVA wins Innovative Technology award from Computerworld+ Re: submitting a VMS batch job from Windows - Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well - Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well - Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well - Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well  What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER?% Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? % Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? % Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? % Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? 8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@ca.istop.com>  Subject: Re: Advertising in HP+ Message-ID: <3F8CA2F3.AE3D9C8@ca.istop.com>    Dave Gudewicz wrote: > I > 20 pages in People !!  Wonder where else these pages will show up.  How % > about Mad magazine?  What the heck.  > M > During the Cubs/Marlins baseball games, hp is trying to get people thinking L > about their digital cameras, printers and other personal technology.  That# > probably cost a pretty penny too.     K Toys for christmas. People will be drawing up their chritmas lists soon. So J now is the time to put HP products into people's minds so they can ask for! those gadgets as christmas gifts.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:31:57 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>  Subject: Re: Advertising in HP( Message-ID: <3F8CB19D.3000205@rdrop.com>   JF Mezei wrote: D > Toys for christmas. People will be drawing up their chritmas listsD > soon. So now is the time to put HP products into people's minds so4 > they can ask for those gadgets as christmas gifts.  I Oh, right. And now you're going to expect me to believe I'm the only one  2 who asked Santa for a clustered ES-47s and a T1...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:03:39 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>7 Subject: Re: Another reason to loathe Micro$haft OSs... ' Message-ID: <%V1jb.655$S_.423@clgrps13>    VAXman- wrote::   D > Wife's Laptop with Weendoze-2000 "Professional" (tongue in cheek). > K > I was able to get the LNCO2 "driver" installed but I cannot get the setup K > window to accept a "$" when I specify the queue it is to connect to (LPD)  > on my Alpha. > I > Any tips?  Is there some secret <ALT><CTRL><SHIFT> finger knotting that  > will make it accept the "$"? > C You might try adding double quotes around the entire string.  That   sometimes mollifies Windows.   Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:00:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@ca.istop.com> 5 Subject: Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default , Message-ID: <3F8C9BFC.F619CD91@ca.istop.com>   Hein van den Heuvel wrote:J > Well, I am very pleased Authorize works on a local file if no logical is	 > defined   M But if you had a default name specification of SYS$SYSTEM:.DAT with Authorize M opening SYSUAF, then by default you could MC AUTHORIZE. If you needed to work N on a local copy,you could then define SYSUAF to point to where you want it to.  N Also, if you have SYSUAF defined to point to the file in SYS$SYSTEM, you can'tB work on a local file because it defaults to the one in sys$system.  I > Also... if you do 'cd' to sys$system, then you can just 'RUN AUTHORIZE'  > instead of MCR.   ( MC AUTHORIZE is shorter. And you can do:   MC AUTHORIZE SHOW * 
 you can't  RUN AUTHORIZE SHOW *   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:15:23 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Binary to Ascii files' Message-ID: <3F8C9FAB.BB474166@fsi.net>    > Phil Howes wrote:  >  > Hi, H > I've got a bit of a problem with some text files that get FTP'd to ourH > site.  An external supplier sends a text file in binary form to us forF > automatic processing. The file comes back to us all on one line.  WeC > used to use Ascii files, and the text was spread out over several G > lines, as we want it. However, the external server owners have made a E > change that now requires them to send Binary files.  Any idea how I E > can convert a one line text binary file into a multi line text file @ > simply?  I've tried a few of the 'set file/attribute=(rfm:xxx)G > commands, but nothing seems to work. Is this possible without writing  > a script?   $ Depending on the source system, try:  
 from UN*X: $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STMLF    from W/NT or W2K:  $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STM    from MacOS prior to OS/X:  $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STMCR   F ...and see how it goes. Adjustments will likely be needed. Try DUMP as other posters have suggested.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:26:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@ca.istop.com> " Subject: Re: Binary to Ascii files, Message-ID: <3F8CB02B.D375EF9A@ca.istop.com>   > Phil Howes wrote: E > it. However, the external server owners have made a change that now L > requires them to send Binary files.  Any idea how I can convert a one line7 > text binary file into a multi line text file simply?     A few steps:   DIR/FULL of the received file.  M DUMP/BLOCK=(1) file.name  and try to see what characters are between records. . (for instance, is it a <lf>, <cr> or <cr><lf>.    	 Then try: ! SET FILE file.name/attrib=(xxxxx)  where xxxx can be:   rat:none or rat:cr rfm:stm or stmlf or stmcr   L You can try different combinations, and use TYPE file.name in between to seeM if it separates the records properly. Once you have a format you think works, E you can use EDIT/TPU to make sure that there are no stray <cr> or lf> L characters that are considered as part of the record. (then, you can use set" file again to tweak the settings).  F Once you have set the file attributes so that edit/tpu handles recordsE properly, if your application still doesn't like it, you can then use L CONVERT/FDL to physically change the record format (creates a new file). YouN can use ANA/RMS/FDL to generate anm FDL file from a file which you know works.J You can then user CONVERT/FDL to apply those attributes to your data file.  M However, this means that if your customer is unwilling to deposit the data in L the right format on your system, you will need a "script" to fix his damage.  L If your customer could simply TYPE ASCII instead of TYPE IMAGE, then the FTPM transfer would ensure that the file would be deposited on the VMS system with  native VMS text attributes.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 17:37:42 -0700, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow): Subject: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>   C How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console when / you boot OpenVMS without DECwindows yet loaded? 3 (e.g. newly shipped server, loading licenses, etc.)   = When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape E characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, and I end & up with a weird command line of sorts.0 Am I forced to use EDIT/EDT at the command line?0 $SET TERMINAL/VT100  does not solve the problem.  @ Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: No OwnerB    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None6    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24         Terminal Characteristics: E    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape B    No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          No Tab>    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No EightbitC    No Broadcast       No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup E    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No Hangup E    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed >    No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No FallbackF    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruF    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer Port>    Numeric Keypad     No ANSI_CRT        No Regis           No
 Block_mode>    No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No DEC_CRT2>    No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No
 Ansi_Color    VMS Style Input  F If there used to be a trick work-around, I have forgotten the "trick".# Thanks in advance for your "treat".   ' Jim Strehlow, Data911, Alameda, CA, USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:03:13 -0500 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> > Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console9 Message-ID: <bmi9t1$nartj$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>    Craig A. Berry wrote: ? > In article <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>, 0 >  JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote: >  > E >>How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console when 1 >>you boot OpenVMS without DECwindows yet loaded? 5 >>(e.g. newly shipped server, loading licenses, etc.)  >>? >>When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape G >>characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, and I end ( >>up with a weird command line of sorts.2 >>Am I forced to use EDIT/EDT at the command line?2 >>$SET TERMINAL/VT100  does not solve the problem. >  >  > But  >  > $ set terminal/vt52  > 	 > should. E And if you really need to do the line editing you might find the most  important commands at   / http://zinser.no-ip.info/eng/vms/qaa/edtl.htmlx    Greetins, Martin   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:17:33 -0500 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> > Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console9 Message-ID: <xa1jb.27352$%C5.11175@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   I If you have one of the Graphical KVM switched monitor, keyboard and mouse G combo's, I believe that it is impossible to easily edit here because it K can't determine the device type of  your terminal. (Set term/inquire fails) F I had to plug in a laptop/VT to do my initial edits and License loads.  I If you have a VT, or Laptop with Terminal Software (Reflections, Keaterm, 6 Hyperterm...Etc.) you should be able to do your edits.      7 Jim Strehlow <JimStrehlow@data911.com> wrote in message 7 news:4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com... E > How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console when 1 > you boot OpenVMS without DECwindows yet loaded? 5 > (e.g. newly shipped server, loading licenses, etc.)  > ? > When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape G > characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, and I end ( > up with a weird command line of sorts.2 > Am I forced to use EDIT/EDT at the command line?2 > $SET TERMINAL/VT100  does not solve the problem. > B > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: No OwnerD >    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None2 >    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24 >  > Terminal Characteristics: G >    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape D >    No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          No Tab@ >    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No
 > EightbitE >    No Broadcast       No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup G >    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No Hangup G >    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed @ >    No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No
 > FallbackH >    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruH >    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer > Port@ >    Numeric Keypad     No ANSI_CRT        No Regis           No > Block_mode@ >    No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No
 > DEC_CRT2@ >    No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No > Ansi_Color >    VMS Style Input > H > If there used to be a trick work-around, I have forgotten the "trick".% > Thanks in advance for your "treat".  > ) > Jim Strehlow, Data911, Alameda, CA, USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:48:38 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>> Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console@ Message-ID: <f5037088863a475676aae4ddee1f0d95@news.teranews.com>  = In article <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>, .  JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote:  E > How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console when 1 > you boot OpenVMS without DECwindows yet loaded? 5 > (e.g. newly shipped server, loading licenses, etc.)  > ? > When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape G > characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, and I end ( > up with a weird command line of sorts.2 > Am I forced to use EDIT/EDT at the command line?2 > $SET TERMINAL/VT100  does not solve the problem.   But    $ set terminal/vt52    should.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:55:49 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)> Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console; Message-ID: <3f8cb735.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   - Jim Strehlow (JimStrehlow@data911.com) wrote: E > How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console when 1 > you boot OpenVMS without DECwindows yet loaded? 5 > (e.g. newly shipped server, loading licenses, etc.)   / I assume you're refering to a graphics console.   ? > When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape G > characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, and I end ( > up with a weird command line of sorts.2 > Am I forced to use EDIT/EDT at the command line?2 > $SET TERMINAL/VT100  does not solve the problem.  F The time I need to do such editing is the time I get the EDT line mode5 manual out. AFAIK, that's the only way to do editing.   A Or connect a VT terminal to the serial port, and '>>> set console < serial', i.e. do not use the monitor as an operator console.   cu,    Martin --D                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de E  Microsoft wants        |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:12:16 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console) Message-ID: <3F8CBB0F.555A9DBA@istop.com>    Jim Strehlow wrote: ? > When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape G > characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, and I end ( > up with a weird command line of sorts.2 > Am I forced to use EDIT/EDT at the command line?  H Yep. No VT100 support on the console mode. Best bet is to plug in a real+ terminal on a TT: port and edit from there.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:09:43 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)Q Subject: Re: How clean is the snapshot when dismounting a member of a shadow set? ; Message-ID: <3f8cba77.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>     fdasfa (jfkfa@fdsajf.com) wrote:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: . > > "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes:I > > > AFAIK it is the reason why an image backup of a database disk won't  > > > work when restored.  > > = > > This definitely wouldn't be possible with database files.  > H > I disagree -- with regards to Oracle RDBMS in "hot backup" mode (alterJ > tablespace begin backup) for all tablespaces on the volume and make sureA > you keep all the Archive log files. Our clients use this method  > extensively.   Yup.  C > 1) alter tablespace ... begin backup for each tablespace/datafile  > 2) dismount shadow member   @ 2a) alter tablespace ... end backup for each tablespace/datafile  ; > 3) spool dismounted member to tape (image or incremental)  > 4) re-mount shadow member.( > 5) copy all archive log files to tape.   cu,    Martin --  D                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.de E   KNOW where you want  |     http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 11:31:57 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) D Subject: Itanium/Integrity & EV7/Marvel leadership benchmark results< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310141031.edc022d@posting.google.com>  A Some here have contended that HP would never tout Alpha benchmark ) results.  Judging by the press release at F http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/031003b.html, it seems HPC is perfectly willing to brag about EV7 and Marvel performance where  bragging is warranted.  B "HP servers faster than IBM, SGI, and all others, according to new benchmark results   = HP continues to demonstrate leadership in HPTC, achieving top 9 performance results for the SPEC OMP benchmark suite, the 9 industry-standard benchmark for compute-intensive, OpenMP B shared-memory parallel processing. These results show HP IntegrityE servers and HP AlphaServer systems are faster than systems offered by  IBM, SGI, or any other vendor.  E The HP Integrity Superdome server, running 64 Itanium 2 processors at ? 1.5 gigahertz and the HP-UX operating system, now maintains the E official leading score of 257,702 for the SPEC OMPLbase2001 benchmark B and the official leading score of 271,659 on the SPEC OMPLpeak2001> benchmark. These results are 33 percent and 37 percent higher,< respectively, than those posted by SGI's Origin 3900 system.  E The HP AlphaServer GS1280 system, running 64 Alpha EV7 processors and D the Tru64 UNIX operating system, maintains the fastest SPEC OMPM2001D results, with a score of 35,895 for the SPEC OMPMbase2001 and 50,305E for the SPEC OMPMpeak2001. The SPEC OMPMpeak20001 score is 30 percent - faster than that posted by IBM's p690 system.   B The size and run time of the SPEC OMP tests reflect the demands ofF scientific and engineering applications to model large, complex tasks.> The SPEC OMP benchmarks specifically measure the shared-memory? multiprocessor performance of the computers' processors, memory ? architecture, operating system, and compiler. The SPEC OMPM2001 = benchmark measures system performance running scalable OpenMP E applications with medium-sized workloads. The SPEC OMPL2001 benchmark E measures the performance of computing systems running scalable OpenMP > applications with larger working sets and longer runtimes. The: benchmark suites run 11 and 9 different application tests,@ respectively, covering everything from quantum chromodynamics to: finite-element crash simulation to shallow-water modeling.  4 For more information, go to hp.com and www.spec.org"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:22 GMT " From: "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com>, Subject: Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key: Message-ID: <_k_ib.22340$vn.46384@sea-read.news.verio.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3F89E43C.580D0D99@fsi.net...  > Paul Sture wrote:    snip...   C > Reflection (singular, see the title bar of the product window for ; > verification) is still the Cadillac of terminal programs.  > G > Reflection/2 is now known as "Reflection for UNIX and Digital". (Note 1 > that UNIX is listed first in the product name.)  > ? > Reflection/4 is now known as "Reflection for ReGIS Graphics".  > I > I suspect that the out-of-the-box-default (<DEL> key sends <BS>) has to J > do with UN*X's dominance vs. VMS. WRQ, like the rest of the market, goes > with what is most prominent.  H True UNIX is the default,  however there is a setting that controls thisH default host behavior.  The setting is "Host for Default Settings".  TheK choices for it are: unix (default), openvms and unisys.  This is a registry J setting, so once it's set you will not have to mess with settings files orF remembering to change/save it.  There are a couple of things that thisL setting affects:  the backspace key and file transfer defaults.    To changeI the value of this setting go to Setup>View Settings, search for "Host for J Default Settings" then change it to the desired value.  Note: changes take< affect with the next instance of Reflection that is started.   HTH,  
 Joe Silagi	 WRQ, Inc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:04:20 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> , Subject: Re: Laptop, Reflections, delete key' Message-ID: <3F8C9D14.DC8B8A21@fsi.net>    Joe Silagi wrote:  > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3F89E43C.580D0D99@fsi.net...  > > Paul Sture wrote:  > 	 > snip...  > E > > Reflection (singular, see the title bar of the product window for = > > verification) is still the Cadillac of terminal programs.  > > I > > Reflection/2 is now known as "Reflection for UNIX and Digital". (Note 3 > > that UNIX is listed first in the product name.)  > > A > > Reflection/4 is now known as "Reflection for ReGIS Graphics".  > > K > > I suspect that the out-of-the-box-default (<DEL> key sends <BS>) has to L > > do with UN*X's dominance vs. VMS. WRQ, like the rest of the market, goes  > > with what is most prominent. > J > True UNIX is the default,  however there is a setting that controls thisJ > default host behavior.  The setting is "Host for Default Settings".  TheM > choices for it are: unix (default), openvms and unisys.  This is a registry L > setting, so once it's set you will not have to mess with settings files orH > remembering to change/save it.  There are a couple of things that thisN > setting affects:  the backspace key and file transfer defaults.    To changeK > the value of this setting go to Setup>View Settings, search for "Host for L > Default Settings" then change it to the desired value.  Note: changes take> > affect with the next instance of Reflection that is started.   Thanx for that, Joe!  D You may want to consider posting that prominently on the screen when- creating a new session (File -> New Session).    By the way:   ? 1. Please make the "new" (V6.2 and later) FTP client appearance E ("Windows Explorer" look-and-feel) optional. I'm forced to keep using G the V6.10 FTP client because of this and it's starting to not work very  well with the newer Windows.  D 2. When will we start seeing Reflection Suite for Linux, UN*X, etc.?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:22:13 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS 0 Message-ID: <3F8C3D66.5D301543@blueyonder.co.uk>   Denny Rich wrote:  > < > I need to map a drive on an XP Winders (r) box to my Alpha) > workstations, or vice versa would work.  > F > The important thing is to be able to transfer data by simply puttingG > it into a folder on one machine and then reading it out on the other. < > Data is pretty much text, or possibly zip files (VMS ZIP). > E > I have a vague recollection that this is possible. So I looked into G > NFS, but there doesn't seem to be a complement to NFS on the XP side. C > (I have done this just fine between a Silicon Graphics box and an & > Alpha server a couple of years ago.) >  > Any hints?  B To serve a drive from XP to VMS using NFS you need some NFS ServerA software running on the XP box, and to serve a drive on VMS to XP + you need NFS client software on the XP box.   7 Try Samba but I'm not sure it quite does what you want.    regards  > G > If I had to pick only one, I would like to be able to move files from @ > XP to a disk on the VMS box. Although both ways would be good. >  > Thanks >  > Denny    --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:45:47 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> 3 Subject: Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS ( Message-ID: <3F8C8AAB.9060000@rdrop.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:9 > Try Samba but I'm not sure it quite does what you want.   I Samba will do exactly what he wants. Bonus, it's both client and server,  $ so he can push/pull from either end.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:11 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 3 Subject: Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS ' Message-ID: <3F8C9DBF.BF29F959@fsi.net>    Tim Llewellyn wrote: > 9 > Try Samba but I'm not sure it quite does what you want.   5 Samba does SMB, a Macro$lop protocol, not NFS, AFAIK.    Samba might work for the OP.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 14:29:03 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) H Subject: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive research report on HPQ< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310141329.e75cac8@posting.google.com>   From CBS Marketwatch,  http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?source=blq/yhoo&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo&guid=%7B5D8FADC2%2D2E8B%2D40EC%2D83A9%2DFF0A1B1FFD9D%7D  E "Morgan Stanley's Rebecca Runkle released a positive research note on @ H-P ... Runkle said H-P's in position for a strong fiscal fourthA quarter because of a new set of consumer products, not to mention 2 lower retail inventories in August and September."   From SmartMoney.com,G http://yahoo.smartmoney.com/bn/index.cfm?story=20031009084228&afl=yahoo   > "Rising expectations of a strong holiday shopping season aidedB Hewlett-Packard (HPQ), which has embarked on a well-timed consumerE electronics push. An upside pop in fourth-quarter earnings is likely, @ prophesied Morgan Stanley. The stock gained 4% to lead the Dow."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:38:19 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comL Subject: Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive research report on HPQQ Message-ID: <OF8AADEEC4.A01ED153-ON85256DBF.0076C848-85256DBF.0076824D@metso.com>   H ..but should we really rejoice that it is being positioned as a consumer electronics play?    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 20:21:21 -0700/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) ) Subject: Multiple instances of CSWS_JAVA? = Message-ID: <79de9693.0310141921.179dc946@posting.google.com>   B VMS 7.3-1, CSWS 1.3 (Apache 1.3.26), CSWS_JAVA 2.1 (Tomcat 4.1.24)  D I'm attempting to set up multiple instances of Tomcat front-ended byD one Apache Web Server on a single VMS Alpha box.  Reading the TomcatL documentation at http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/RUNNING.txt? tells me to create a new set of configuration files for the 2nd C instance,and then set a value for catalina_base which points to the A location for my 2nd set of configuration files.  Sure enough, the 5 apache$jakarta_startup.com looks for the logical name B apache$catalina_base, so this appears to work; however, it appearsD that I have to define the logical name at the system level for it to7 be seen by the Tomcat server process that gets created.   8 I suppose another approach would be to create a separate< username/uic/etc. for the 2nd Tomcat instance and define the logical(s) at the group level.  D Is there a real (i.e. supported and/or documented via release notes)1 way that I have missed, or am I stuck surrounding E apache$jakarta_startup.com (and shutdown for that matter) with my own D procedures that define/remove the logical name apache$catalina_base?   Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:13:13 -0400 . From: "zakaria Yassine" <zakaria@sympatico.ca>" Subject: Re: nagios plugin for vms9 Message-ID: <9X2jb.7084$cT6.303658@news20.bellglobal.com>    Hello,  E Instead of plugin, why don't you just use nrpe agent on OpenVMS. I've J rewriten the agent from nagios.org and it's working fine on our systems. IG can send you the source files (in C) or the image if you don't have a C . compiler. (just let me know your version/arch)   Zakaria,  3 "trevor" <trevor_obba@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 7 news:59615909.0310131347.41b1af50@posting.google.com... F > We've been using Nagios(Netsaint) for a few weeks to monitor a whole
 > bunch ofC > hosts around our work place, but now the management have asked me D > if I can also arrange to monitor the two VMS systems we still haveA > around. I have search the internet for nagios plugin that I can D > install on a our nagios server to mornitor and do the usual checks/ > such as disk space, load average, availabity.  >  > can you help? please   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 14:31:23 -0700/ From: ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) / Subject: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd = Message-ID: <2f57764a.0310141331.484e2a9e@posting.google.com>    Hi,   A I am an operating system freak and have tried many OSes including @ Plan9, QNX, minix, SCO UNIX, Windows 2003 beta and everything in between.  D After a little struggle, I have limited control of one OpenVMS basedB microvax 3100-95 system which was used as the base business systemF quite a while ago. There is no documentation except of OpenVMS itself,B and no notes on it. Employees have changed and noone remembers oneF login for that box. The attached DEC VT520 shows the login prompt, butC theres no cd or floppy drive, I wonder how one must boot this thing  for installation purposes.  F So my question is is there a straight procedure for resetting the rootC (or system or sysadm ) password on this thing? I could possibly put C NetBSD for microvax on a seperate SCSI disk and try booting off it, E mount the other disk's volume if mountable and change the appropriate E config file. But is there a simpler way given you have full access to @ the box, but intend to change on only the root password, and not install OpenVMS all over again?    My other curiosities: & (1) Has anyone ported DOOM to the vax?A (2) Is there an ANSI C99 compiler or perl for OpenVMS for the VAX E (3) Are the GNU tools available for it? IE can you type bash and takeW it from there?> (4) Can OpenVMS run on platforms other than the VAX and Alpha?  + Thanks en avance for any answers I can use.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:08:09 +0000 (UTC)y, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwde. Message-ID: <bmhs49$2gm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) writes in article <2f57764a.0310141331.484e2a9e@posting.google.com> dated 14 Oct 2003 14:31:23 -0700:aE >After a little struggle, I have limited control of one OpenVMS based C >microvax 3100-95 system which was used as the base business systema  G >So my question is is there a straight procedure for resetting the root D >(or system or sysadm ) password on this thing? I could possibly put  F I'm not all that familiar with that hardware.  There should be a resetJ button somewhere which will get you to a boot prompt:  > or >>>.  What youL want to do is boot conversationally from there, something like B/F:00000001.  B Then at the SYSBOOT> prompt set SYSUAFALTERNATE to 1 and CONTINUE.  I When you get to the login prompt, use SYSTEM and type in any password you F wish.  This will get you in if there's no alternate UAF file set up.     From there,        $ set def sys$system4     $ mc authorize mod system /pass=the_new_password  D >NetBSD for microvax on a seperate SCSI disk and try booting off it,F >mount the other disk's volume if mountable and change the appropriateF >config file. But is there a simpler way given you have full access toA >the box, but intend to change on only the root password, and notD  >install OpenVMS all over again?  K If there *is* an alternate UAF set up, you will need a VMS installation CD,eK but you just have to boot it and then run the authorize utility from there.rK Nothing in NetBSD is going to understand the format of SYSUAF.DAT (probablye- not even the structure of a Files-11 disk).     I I have seen alphastations which were so locked-down security-wise that iteF wouldn't even let me boot a CD.  Not even the hardware reset procedure worked, had to dump 'em.   >My other curiosities:' >(1) Has anyone ported DOOM to the vax?t   HAHAHAHAHAHA!   B >(2) Is there an ANSI C99 compiler or perl for OpenVMS for the VAX  F Yes, see www.openvms.org for pointers to lots of freeware.  The best CI compiler is probably HP's, which you can use for free if you sign up as aaH hobbyist (and promise not to use it for commercial purposes).  Check theH licenses already on the system though ($ LICENSE LIST), you might have a commercial one right there.-  F >(3) Are the GNU tools available for it? IE can you type bash and take >it from there?-  I There's a project called GNV which I intend to build for myself tonight. eK The only releases so far are alpha-test, but it does claim to include bash.A  ? >(4) Can OpenVMS run on platforms other than the VAX and Alpha?i  L Itanium is the new one as of summer 2003.  And there's always the Charon-VAX  emulator, which runs on Windows.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:19:28 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwdm6 Message-ID: <00A275EF.05CD7435@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  o In article <2f57764a.0310141331.484e2a9e@posting.google.com>, ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) writes:c >Hi, >jB >I am an operating system freak and have tried many OSes includingA >Plan9, QNX, minix, SCO UNIX, Windows 2003 beta and everything inu	 >between.i >sE >After a little struggle, I have limited control of one OpenVMS baseddC >microvax 3100-95 system which was used as the base business systemhG >quite a while ago. There is no documentation except of OpenVMS itself,sC >and no notes on it. Employees have changed and noone remembers one-G >login for that box. The attached DEC VT520 shows the login prompt, butMD >theres no cd or floppy drive, I wonder how one must boot this thing >for installation purposes.S >2G >So my question is is there a straight procedure for resetting the rootrD >(or system or sysadm ) password on this thing? I could possibly putD >NetBSD for microvax on a seperate SCSI disk and try booting off it,F >mount the other disk's volume if mountable and change the appropriateF >config file. But is there a simpler way given you have full access toA >the box, but intend to change on only the root password, and not   >install OpenVMS all over again? >t   You want the OpenVMS FAQ, at  9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_contents.html   O (The "breaking into the system if you have physical access" stuff is documentedR there.   >My other curiosities:' >(1) Has anyone ported DOOM to the vax?1   Not that I know of.v  B >(2) Is there an ANSI C99 compiler or perl for OpenVMS for the VAX   There is Perl, for sure.  B As to ANSI C99 for VAX, kinda.  From the help file for CC/STANDARD  F     ANSI89            Places the compiler in strict ANSI C Standard 89H                        (C89) mode.  This mode compiles the C language asG                        defined by the American National Standard for C, G                        along with any extensions not prohibited by thati                         standard.  G      C99               On OpenVMS Alpha systems, places the compiler inIE                        strict ISO/IEC C Standard 99 (C99) mode.  This A                        mode accepts just the C99 language without-F                        extensions, and diagnoses violations of the C99                         standard.  E                        On OpenVMS VAX systems, produces a warning and1F                        places the compiler in /STANDARD=REALXED ANSI89                        mode.  E      RELAXED_ANSI89    Places the compiler in relaxed ANSI C StandardbF                        mode.  The compiler accepts ANSI/ISO C StandardB                        C89 and C99 features, as well as nearly allG                        language extensions (such as additional Compaq CvG                        keywords and predefined macros that do not beginlA                        with an underscore).  It excludes only K&RoH                        (COMMON mode), VAX C, and Microsoft features that0                        conflict with standard C.J                                                                               J So you can have RELAXED_ANSI89, hich claims to cover the C99 features, but you can't have strict C99.  M (Note that you can't have this unless you have some kind of a license for it.oM Is your work paying maintenance on this stuff?  Your VAXC license is good ford even current versions of DECC.)b  L There's probably an old GNU C for VAX available for free someplace, but I've never had to look into it.  F >(3) Are the GNU tools available for it? IE can you type bash and take >it from there?   K A lot of GNU tools have been ported to VMS.  Gheck out GNV.SOURCEFORGE.NET.eH Current GNV version is Alpha-only (and doesn't go back any further than J VMS 7.2-2), but there's old versions which support VAX still on that site.G Bash is included in GNV now - I'm not sure if it's available in old VAXt versions of the GNV packages.t  ? >(4) Can OpenVMS run on platforms other than the VAX and Alpha?.G It can run under VAX emulation on any platform where there's a good VAXrJ emulation.  SRI makes a commercial emulator; SIMH is a freeware emulator; L both run on Intel.  I believe there are emulators on other hardware as well.= The SRI emulator is the only one that's officially supported.   M VMS has been ported to Itanium but isn't yet in widespread commercial releasen on that platform.t   Hope this helps!   -- Alan  -- TO ===============================================================================r0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056tM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025iO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 11:19:33 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)R7 Subject: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500e= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310141019.442e7ac4@posting.google.com>h  A "HP OpenVMS: ISV commitment and enthusiasm grow for HP OpenVMS on  Integrity servers   @ With more than 500 ISV applications now committed to port to theD OpenVMS operating system on HP Integrity servers, ISV commitment and@ enthusiasm continue to grow. "The momentum continues!" says MarkE Gorham, Vice President, OpenVMS systems. "This milestone demonstratesoB that HP and its partners are true to our commitment to ensure thatC OpenVMS customers experience a smooth evolution as they incorporaten< OpenVMS on the Integrity server family into their OpenVMS on@ AlphaServer environments. We expect these application numbers to< increase rapidly after we ship the native compilers with theD evaluation release of OpenVMS v 8.1 for early adopters in December."  C For more information about OpenVMS on Integrity servers, visit thisp website:N http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/boot0703.html"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:19:53 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500t& Message-ID: <3F8CA0B9.672A07F@fsi.net>   Keith Parris wrote:a > C > "HP OpenVMS: ISV commitment and enthusiasm grow for HP OpenVMS on  > Integrity serverso > B > With more than 500 ISV applications now committed to port to theF > OpenVMS operating system on HP Integrity servers, ISV commitment andB > enthusiasm continue to grow. "The momentum continues!" says MarkG > Gorham, Vice President, OpenVMS systems. "This milestone demonstratescD > that HP and its partners are true to our commitment to ensure thatE > OpenVMS customers experience a smooth evolution as they incorporate > > OpenVMS on the Integrity server family into their OpenVMS onB > AlphaServer environments. We expect these application numbers to> > increase rapidly after we ship the native compilers with theF > evaluation release of OpenVMS v 8.1 for early adopters in December."  & The truer measures of success will be:  * 1. ISV follow-through on their commitments4 2. 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DachteraI dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:07:16 +0200 " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable& Message-ID: <3F8C1124.8F3FF238@hp.com>   Still no good....s    B Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.  !       Subject: RE: Gov. of Israel.       Sent: 14/10/2003 17:01  0 The following recipient(s) could not be reached:  (       tom@kednos.com on 14/10/2003 17:01H             The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but didF not report a specific reason.  Check the address and try again.  If it/ still fails, contact your system administrator. >             < zdemail04.zdem.compaq.com #5.0.0 X-Postfix; hostJ mail.kednos.com[206.55.236.242] said: 554    5.7.1 Message rejected due to6 header contents. (in reply to end of DATA    command)>     Tom Linden wrote:e  I > Sorry Guy, I guess my spam filters I was playing with were a little too- > aggressive.  Try now.  >a > Tom, >  > >-----Original Message----- , > >From: Guy Peleg [mailto:guy.peleg@hp.com]* > >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:24 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# > >Subject: PLI land is unreachable4 > >7 > >1I > >Have anyone else encountered problems sending mail to tom@kednos.com ?-+ > >Every message I send keep bouncing back.s > >l > >Guy > >n > >> > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). C > >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003  > >  > ---e( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:26:11 -0400e( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable, Message-ID: <3F8CB043.3090802@tsoft-inc.com>   Guy Peleg wrote:  H > Have anyone else encountered problems sending mail to tom@kednos.com ?* > Every message I send keep bouncing back. >  > Guy     N Wayne Sewell is teaching him how to set up a bunch of e-mail filters.  By now ? they both may be filtering out every message sent to them.  :-)e   Better try the phone.n     Dave   -- w4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roado Vanderbilt, PA  15486u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:36:20 +0200- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>  Subject: Re: Port-forwarding FTP2 Message-ID: <bmhj8k$d2u$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Michael T. Davis wrote:t > 	We are now running... > A >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2p5 >   on a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2-2c > K > We only recently upgraded from TCPIP v5.1 and OpenVMS 7.2-1.  We are alsoe" > running David Jones' SSH server. > C > 	Until the upgrade, I had been establishing FTP sessions with oureI > server that had the control channel port-forwarded via SSH and the data M > channel was left to pass packets in the clear via a passive connection.  OneN > the remote (client) side, I've been using CYGWIN's SSH implementation, whichH > is basically a port of OpenSSH.  The FTP client would be configured toH > establish passive transfer with the server and the SSH client would be# > invoked with something like this:n > < >                       ssh -L 21:<server-IP>:21 <server-IP>    = The command is a bit wrong. It should be something like this:   # ssh -L2222:localhost:21 <server-IP>a  M Localhost is IP number 127.0.0.1 as you will know, and 2222 is 'just' a port i number you can choose.  >  From the client you have to start your ftp session like this:   ftp localhost 2222  O By the way, TCP/IP  V5.4 will have SSH as a standard part of the distribution. o+ I'm trying the file test version right now.P         > I > Now, the command connection still manages to connect, but my FTP clientyN > (WS_FTP) now reports the following problem after I connect, in response to a# > directory listing (LIST) request:g > 6 > 425 Disallowing data connection for <client-IP>,4523 > P > (4523 is the randomly assigned client-side data port.)  A direct connection to5 > our FTP server is completely successful, as always.y > F > 	Researching port-forwarding FTP in general, I discovered that newerK > FTP servers may not allow the above scenario to work.  In particular, theCL > FTP server checks to see what the source of the control connection is, andO > if it's different from the address specified as the client's data connection,eN > the server denies the request.  This would seem to describe the behavior I'mK > seeing.  In particular, since the control connection is forwarded via theoN > server's IP address ("<server-IP>"), this is the address that the FTP serverM > sees as the control connection source address, not "<client-IP>".  As such,mJ > the FTP server denies the data request.  If this is what's happening, isH > there any way to work around this restriction, apart from using either > "direct FTP" or SCP/SFTP?n > 	 > Thanks,s > Mike > --M >              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSEiP >   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingL >            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityL > http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:15:52 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive rest) Message-ID: <3F8CBBE6.719EC5E4@istop.com>r   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > VMS needs exposure, yes! > ' > ...but this is not the way to get it!v  F Especially since Morgan Stanley isn't exactly known for high ethics. IH personally don't trust what they say. One of the few companies to hire aF private eye to change books  so that they could then have one employeeG arrested and sent to prison on charges of falsifying records. (and thise! decision came from VERY high up).a  U That employee was smarter and he hired his own private eye who uncovered the framing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:24:36 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>fY Subject: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive researc-' Message-ID: <3F8CA1D4.801C4223@fsi.net>   C Keith!!!  Keith!!! Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!o  ' I appreciate your enthusiasm immensely!8  C However, unless you're "spamming" multiple newsgroups with this, ita( really is a waste of time and bandwidth.   VMS needs exposure, yes!  % ...but this is not the way to get it!    --   David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 11:45:33 -0700- From: david.gabele@swagelok.com (Dave Gabele)t1 Subject: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Addressn= Message-ID: <bd0f1e10.0310141045.1f4f7714@posting.google.com>h  D For a given TNA device, how can I get its remote address informationC via a program or command procedure (without allocating the device)?   C I can see the information on the screen via TELNET and SHOW DEVICE,rE however I have not been able to figure out a way to do this through ae command procedure.   TELNET> sho dev tna300:h* TNA300:           Outgoing  Local:  (none)<                             Remote: isds01.swagelok.com:2012  C I have also tried programmatically to do this through a QIO(W) with/D TN$_REMOTE_ADDRESS in the itemlist, however a QIO requires a channelD and using sys$assign to get the channel allocates the device.  In myE case a device may be allocated by another process.  How can I get theeC equivalent information (like telnet does) through a program withoutaB allocating the device -- I just want to query it in a sense like a SYS$GETDVI.h  
 Any ideas?   Thanks,t   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:24:13 GMTi. From: "Francine Doyon" <francine.doyon@hp.com>5 Subject: Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address 2 Message-ID: <x3Yib.7018$%M2.6366@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi Dave,  1 How about         f$getdvi("TNAx","TT_ACCPORNAM")'   ex:i  2 $ write sys$output f$getdvi("tna9","TT_ACCPORNAM") Host: 16.155.34.40 Port: 3229f $t  # $ a=f$getdvi("tna9","TT_ACCPORNAM") 
 $ sh sym a%   A = "Host: 16.155.34.40 Port: 3229"d  I You could then use f$extract and f$locate to extract the specific address/	 and port.    Francine Doyon  # Technical Account Manager - OpenVMS3   Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.  : "Dave Gabele" <david.gabele@swagelok.com> wrote in message7 news:bd0f1e10.0310141045.1f4f7714@posting.google.com...5F > For a given TNA device, how can I get its remote address informationE > via a program or command procedure (without allocating the device)?l >oE > I can see the information on the screen via TELNET and SHOW DEVICE,yG > however I have not been able to figure out a way to do this through ae > command procedure. >y > TELNET> sho dev tna300: , > TNA300:           Outgoing  Local:  (none)> >                             Remote: isds01.swagelok.com:2012 >eE > I have also tried programmatically to do this through a QIO(W) withiF > TN$_REMOTE_ADDRESS in the itemlist, however a QIO requires a channelF > and using sys$assign to get the channel allocates the device.  In myG > case a device may be allocated by another process.  How can I get theoE > equivalent information (like telnet does) through a program withoutxD > allocating the device -- I just want to query it in a sense like a
 > SYS$GETDVI.I >d > Any ideas? >,	 > Thanks,k >o > Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:29:16 -0400l  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>5 Subject: Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address-6 Message-ID: <1031014151723.36338B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  " On 14 Oct 2003, Dave Gabele wrote:  F > For a given TNA device, how can I get its remote address informationE > via a program or command procedure (without allocating the device)?u > E > I can see the information on the screen via TELNET and SHOW DEVICE,hG > however I have not been able to figure out a way to do this through ae > command procedure. >  > TELNET> sho dev tna300: , > TNA300:           Outgoing  Local:  (none)> >                             Remote: isds01.swagelok.com:2012 > E > I have also tried programmatically to do this through a QIO(W) withiF > TN$_REMOTE_ADDRESS in the itemlist, however a QIO requires a channelF > and using sys$assign to get the channel allocates the device.  In myG > case a device may be allocated by another process.  How can I get the E > equivalent information (like telnet does) through a program withouttD > allocating the device -- I just want to query it in a sense like a
 > SYS$GETDVI.  >  > Any ideas? > 	 > Thanks,_ >  > Dave  3 $ write sys$output f$getdvi("nta1:","tt_accpornam")e  C Note: the names (NTAxx: vs. TNAxx:) and format of the output depend9E on the IP stack.  I think the format has also changed over the years.e   -- c John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:16:23 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Shared distribution of hobbyist media) Message-ID: <3F8CD81D.BD45D7BF@istop.com>a  G I have on occasion benefitted from others who allowed me access to some M condist kits. Not everyone can borrow condist from work to bring home to loadi stuff on their home machines.f  J Putting all of condist on one system would put too big a load on bandwidthL limits for a single volunteer. However, I suspect many of us have some spareK bandwidth and between all of us, wouldn't that be sufficicent to be able to  provide condist on-line ?%  N Would Digital/HP have reservations about this ? If we were to require that oneL enter his decus number or even pak authorization number in order to access a kit, would that be acceptable ?r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:51:01 GMT01 From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.donotspamme.com>e/ Subject: Re: Slow Shadow Copy with 36 GB drivesr2 Message-ID: <FsYib.7021$WP2.6175@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 Jim wrote:N > Thanks for the tips.  I got an answer from HP support.  Under VMS 6.2 if youC > have two members of a shadowset with preferred paths on differentcL > controllers the shadow copy will always do a full copy not a differential.L > Once I switched the shadow members to the same controller my shadow copiesK > went from 24 hours to 2 hours.  The humorous part of this is that we havecM > had some of our smaller drives setup incorrectly for years. Always wonderedt, > why some of them took so long to copy..... >  > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageb9 > news:d7791aa1.0310140611.4cffe7ff@posting.google.com...u > 2 >>"Jim" <jim.gould@uwmf.wisc.edu> wrote in message > + > news:<blkfd7$1hh$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>..._ > H >>>I have HP support stumped on this one so I thought someone here could >  > help >  >>>me. >>>vG >>>We recently upgraded a pair of HSJ40 controllers to firmware version  >  > V37J-1 > G >>>so that we could replace our aging 2GB and 4GB drives with new 36 GBc > 	 > drives.  > I >>>We are running VMS 6.2 and applied the latest shadowing patch (ALPSHADn
 >>>14_62.) >>>iE >>>Note:  We can't upgrade to a new version of VMS without paying ourp > 
 > software >  >>>vendor huge $$$.r >>> I >>>Everything works fine except that shadow copies take about 24 hours to$E >>>complete.  Other drives, such as 9 GB drives take about 2 hours tou >  > complete.: > H >>>Is this an inherent problem with VMS 6.2 and large drives or is there >  > some > " >>>tweak that we missed somewhere? >>>wG >>>Help would be appreciated since we need to keep this ancient monsters >  > aliveo >  >>>for another year :  ) >>>t
 >>>Sincerely,g >>>i >>>Jim Gould >>D >>must be your controllers ... we have a 36 gb shadow set running on9 >>an alphaserver 800 w/o controller and it runs great ...i >  >  >   H In addition, if you have them both on different controllers in the same F redundant pair you will NOT get benefit from DCD (or "controller copy I assist") either.  For best redundancy, IMHO, I'd "prefer" the paths back oC to one drive per controller.  My preference would be to set device  . preference from VMS and not on the controller.   bob    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 11:21:55 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) M Subject: StorageWorks EVA wins Innovative Technology award from Computerworlde= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310141021.6e2456c8@posting.google.com>0  5 "HP StorageWorks EVA wins Innovative Technology award   F The HP StorageWorks Enterprise Virtual Array (EVA) solution has won anD Innovative Technology award from IDG's Computerworld. In order to beD considered for the awards program, vendors had to be nominated by ITD end users that do not produce or sell technology. A panel of outsideC experts and Computerworld editors reviewed the surveys and chose 30r9 winners in 10 categories based on the following criteria:t  7 o  The company's technology is innovative and original OE o  It offers demonstrable value to corporate IT operations in Fortunem 1000 companies; o  It creates a new advantage or opportunity for customers ,A o  Customers have successfully implemented the technology and are ; getting measurable payback or competitive advantage from iteD o  The technology will change the way companies do business or solve# technology problems into the futurei  % Read more at the Computerworld site: tE    http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,85225,00.htmlm "t   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 13:01:52 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org4 Subject: Re: submitting a VMS batch job from Windows3 Message-ID: <gomSEm7iL5VC@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  b In article <3f8b2057$0$65594$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>, "Martin" <w_orbit@hotmail.com> writes:L > Hi.  We've begun implementation of Windows based client applications but aN > lot of our batch processes remain on VMS.  I need a way to submit batch jobsK > on VMS from the new clients.  My initial thought was to create a VMS .com-L > file on the client containing the submit details, ftp that to a secure VMSL > user account whose login.com implememted a wait for X seconds to allow ftpL > to complete then used the generated .com file to submit the batch job with: > the specified parameters passed from the Windows client. > & > Is there a better method that this ?  = I forgot another somewhat clever way to accomplish this task.l   $ MCR LATCPo; LCP> CREATE PORT /LOGICAL=(NAME=BATCH_SPOOLER,TABLE=SYSTEM) 	 LCP> EXIT - $ SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=SYS$BATCH BATCH_SPOOLER    C:\> ftp vmsnode	 Username:i	 Password: 2 ftp> put batchfile.com BATCH_SPOOLER:batchfile.com	 ftp> exitb    D Nice extra touch: insert the following at the beginning of the batchA file, thus avoiding the automatic printing of the batch log file:     $ DEFINE SYS$PRINT no-such-queue  H Note that LAT is merely a convenient tool to create a pseudo-device thatD can be spooled.  You're not really using LAT or DECnet for anything.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 12:44:19 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well3 Message-ID: <oGcEQoCEz03G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <vomhgbq2t8hrc1@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: H > And that includes the obvious hacks.  There's a Windows XP system thatN > claims it's been up for over 11,000 days.  I wonder which is harder, keeping9 > Windows up for that long or getting it to boot in 1972!   +    Oh, you thought Windows could tell time.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:21:35 GMTt# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 6 Subject: Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well2 Message-ID: <31Yib.7017$lK2.4868@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <bmgsu0$6pq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:: :Quite how the owner of the offending Linux box managed to6 :sneek in an upgrade from their older version of Linux9 :to 2.4.20 without a reboot is a question that the ownersr8 :of the uptime list would do well to address since it is: :impossible to upgrade a Linux box without rebooting. This :is also true for OpenVMS.  L   OpenVMS has supported continuously-available configurations for well over K   a decade now, and we can perform upgrades and can apply ECOs and maintainoK   and can serve access to the data and the applications.  More recently, webJ   have also provided the ability to upgrade or to ECO OpenVMS by rebootingD   a subset of the Alpha box, and rolling the processors as required.  K   While we do not currently offer hot/no-reboot-upgrades or ECOs within thenJ   same running host or within the same host instance (an approach that youK   have specifically refered to here), we can and do achieve this particular M   goal using cluster membership and (if needed) multi-instance OpenVMS Galaxy K   configurations (approaches you neglected to mention, or were unaware of).-  L   Upgrading within the same and the running operating system context clearlyI   requires exceedingly fine-grained locking and coordination and control sI   and the ability to stall or restart activities -- hot software upgrades.J   are very, very, far from a trivial task for anything other than the mostK   trivial or most isolated operating system components.  Upgrading within asI   cluster or among instances within a Galaxy is itself non-trivial, as we -   must maintain the communications protocols.i    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqeN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comT   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 15:18:08 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)6 Subject: Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0310141418.5613bf7a@posting.google.com>(  i bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<bmgq7k$mpif6$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>...i2 > In article <bmgejp$1n8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,T > 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > > John Vottero wrote:c > >>  K > >> And that includes the obvious hacks.  There's a Windows XP system thatOQ > >> claims it's been up for over 11,000 days.  I wonder which is harder, keeping.< > >> Windows up for that long or getting it to boot in 1972! > >  > > There are other anomalies F > > Linux 2.4.20 running for 650 days, 2.4.20 was released 24 Nov 2002 > A > Which is why I place no value whatsoever on the concept.  I canS? > think of people here who are not above fudging the numbers infE > order to sell their point of view.  Like the mythical Irish RailwayTF > VAX that supposedly ran for 15 years without any change of hardware,F > software or even maintenance that required it to power down.  I loveK > the VAX, but even it's hardware (disks in particular) is not that robust.f >  > bill  J if you are running a shadow set, especially 3 disks, then you should never% go down because of a disk failure ...    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:52:42 -0400 (EDT) + From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>T6 Subject: Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very wellI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0310141643590.17376@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>n  ) 672 huh? i had an ultrix machine up 673...H (from right before a shut it down to upgrade it from a ds5k240 to a /260 cpu, the following uptime: 07:58:25 umbar $ uptimeDG   7:58am  up 673 days,  6:18,  6 users,  load average: 0.26, 0.07, 0.00  07:58:25 umbar $ )iI the machine had been on the net the whole time, and was running just finepI when it was taken down. if i hadnt found a 260 cpu, it would still be up,l& that shutdown was about 14 months ago.H while there are some legends like the irish rail vax, the longest uptimeC i have heard of for a vms system was about 8 years, and the longest E i'd ever heard was for a pdp10, though it was a less reliable source.(   isildur)  ( On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Alan Frisbie wrote:  = > If you have not checked out The Uptimes Project lately, you  > might like to: > 3 >      http://uptimes.wonko.com/stats.php?op=activeE >E: > VMS currently holds three of the top five positions, and; > five of the top 20.   (OK, I'm simply proud of being able  > to keep it up 672 days.   :-)o >t: > If anyone knows the project manager or engineers for the: > AlphaServer 1000A, please tell them that all five of the0 > top VMS systems are AlphaServer 1000A systems. >r8 > It is also amusing to note that the average uptime for2 > Windows systems is just slightly over four days. >s; > If you are proud of your system's uptime, please considerp; > adding it to the group.   You can send packets either viae8 > HTTP (port 80), or via UDP to port 49153.   The client9 > software (written in C) is available on their web site.i >o > Alan >. >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:36:43 -0400s From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: What is ACME_SERVER?mQ Message-ID: <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>e  E I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell me 
 it's purpose.m  G I note that this display shows an "M" at the far right one space to therG left of the more usual "S" for Subprocess and "B" for Batch and "N" for  network.   -Normr   $ show system/proc=acme*K OpenVMS V7.3-1  on node NODEA  14-OCT-2003 17:27:59.17  Uptime  89 11:31:00 F   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts Pages=F 21400214 ACME_SERVER     HIB     11      105   0 00:00:00.87       375 422 M:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:24:08 -0500m( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?=/ Message-ID: <00A27600.7064CB55.3@tachysoft.com>=  K >Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (198.151.12.104) by moe.tachysoft.com (MX V5.3 5 >          AnHm) with SMTP for <wayne@tachysoft.com>;t* >          Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:21 -0500 >From: norm.raphael@metso.comg >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: What is ACME_SERVER?R >Message-ID: <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>& >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:36:43 -0400. >Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway$ >X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List
 >Lines: 18+ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciim >MIME-Version: 1.0! >Reply-To: norm.raphael@metso.com  >X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.comt >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >s >eF >I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell me >it's purpose. >tH >I note that this display shows an "M" at the far right one space to theH >left of the more usual "S" for Subprocess and "B" for Batch and "N" for	 >network.d >a >-Norm >p >$ show system/proc=acme*tL >OpenVMS V7.3-1  on node NODEA  14-OCT-2003 17:27:59.17  Uptime  89 11:31:00G >  Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page fltst >PagesG >21400214 ACME_SERVER     HIB     11      105   0 00:00:00.87       375" >422 M >-    L It maintains the transaction database for Acme Corporation, which has one ofK the world's largest distributed databases, found on vms systems world wide.c  4 $ sear   sys$specific:[acme]acme_trans.data   coyote$ Wile E. Coyote      Rocket Sled     % Wile E. Coyote      Roadrunner Masherg" Wile E. Coyote      Toxic Birdseed, Wile E. Coyote      Jet-Propelled Pogo Stick( Wile E. Coyote      Flightless Bird Bomb# Wile E. Coyote      Giant Slingshots, Wile E. Coyote      Supersonic Roller Skates    O ===============================================================================yN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   sO ===============================================================================tH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"n   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2003 17:26:09 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?o3 Message-ID: <Q$ZXmkN0tf8j@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  p In article <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  G > I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell meS > it's purpose.R  J It is the back end of the SYS$ACM service, allowing plug-in authenticationG modules to operate in a full process context instead of the rather moreE restricted LGI-callout mode.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:34 +0000 (UTC)RP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?E$ Message-ID: <bmhtce$fbv$1@online.de>  
 In articleF <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:    G > I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell meA > it's purpose.o > I > I note that this display shows an "M" at the far right one space to theDI > left of the more usual "S" for Subprocess and "B" for Batch and "N" forE
 > network.  I "M" is for "multi-threaded".  A typical multi-threaded process on VMS is A the OSU HTTP server:  O 2080009B OSU             HIB      5    80279   0 00:01:18.48     17931    147 MT  A I have ACME_SERVER.EXE on my system disk, so it's definitely fromRG DEC/Compaq/HP (otherwise it wouldn't be on my system disk) but I'm not T familiar with it either.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:38:17 GMTS4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?R/ Message-ID: <JN%ib.559706$Oz4.514074@rwcrnsc54>T  p In article <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: !TF !I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell me !it's purpose.  = It is the Authentication and Credential Management authority:   H http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6539/6539pro_009.html#index_x_190  L Authenticates users for OpenVMS and Windows NT.  Apparently used by Advanced Server for VMS.D  N Interestingly, it looks as though this server is *not* started by default, yetA I don't remember enabling it to run.  Time to study the manual...R   !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' D0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:51:12 GMTE4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?A/ Message-ID: <QZ%ib.559736$Oz4.512921@rwcrnsc54>D  f In article <JN%ib.559706$Oz4.514074@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:q !In article <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:R !!G !!I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell meS !!it's purpose.R !I> !It is the Authentication and Credential Management authority: !RI !http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6539/6539pro_009.html#index_x_190I !EM !Authenticates users for OpenVMS and Windows NT.  Apparently used by AdvancedA !Server for VMS. ! O !Interestingly, it looks as though this server is *not* started by default, yetRB !I don't remember enabling it to run.  Time to study the manual...  O Quick scan of the manual shows a way to stop it.  It gets started by default atED boot time, unless you uncomment the following logicals, and set them! explicitly (from SYLOGICALS.COM):D   $! $!   Coordinated Startup $!F $!   The following Logical Name definitions control whether particular" $!   components are to be started: $!+ $!       True - component should be startedV0 $!       False - component should not be startedM $!       Undefined - component may be started if needed by another component.S $!0 $!   Uncomment the line of a component you need. $!> $! DEFINE DCOM$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                       ! DCOMD $! DEFINE ACME$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                       ! ACM ServerF $! DEFINE NTA$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                        ! NTA ServicesK $! DEFINE NTA$AUTHENTICATED_RPC_TO_BE_STARTED TRUE      ! Authenticated RPC J $! DEFINE NTA$NT_ACME_TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                ! NT ACM ExtensionF $! DEFINE REG$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                        ! VMS Registry $V  / I've explicitly set the following two logicals:R  D $ DEFINE ACME$TO_BE_STARTED FALSE                       ! ACM ServerJ $ DEFINE NTA$NT_ACME_TO_BE_STARTED FALSE                ! NT ACM Extension  L I'll be rebooting around the 20th, so we will see if the server starts up on reboot.E  F Of course, I'm suspicious of the DEFINE (rather than DEFINE/SYSTEM)...   !S !!snip!A !VK !__________________________________________________________________________TB !Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"L !bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' 1 !                                         with @"E  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"vK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' A0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:38:07 -0400E( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?I* Message-ID: <3F8CB30F.50401@tsoft-inc.com>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:E  h > In article <JN%ib.559706$Oz4.514074@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:s > !In article <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  > !!I > !!I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell meu > !!it's purpose.h > !>@ > !It is the Authentication and Credential Management authority: > !hK > !http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6539/6539pro_009.html#index_x_190h > !eO > !Authenticates users for OpenVMS and Windows NT.  Apparently used by Advanced: > !Server for VMS. > !iQ > !Interestingly, it looks as though this server is *not* started by default, yet D > !I don't remember enabling it to run.  Time to study the manual... > Q > Quick scan of the manual shows a way to stop it.  It gets started by default atyF > boot time, unless you uncomment the following logicals, and set them# > explicitly (from SYLOGICALS.COM):0 >  > $! > $!   Coordinated Startup > $!H > $!   The following Logical Name definitions control whether particular$ > $!   components are to be started: > $!- > $!       True - component should be started 2 > $!       False - component should not be startedO > $!       Undefined - component may be started if needed by another component.: > $!2 > $!   Uncomment the line of a component you need. > $!@ > $! DEFINE DCOM$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                       ! DCOMF > $! DEFINE ACME$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                       ! ACM ServerH > $! DEFINE NTA$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                        ! NTA ServicesM > $! DEFINE NTA$AUTHENTICATED_RPC_TO_BE_STARTED TRUE      ! Authenticated RPCtL > $! DEFINE NTA$NT_ACME_TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                ! NT ACM ExtensionH > $! DEFINE REG$TO_BE_STARTED TRUE                        ! VMS Registry > $e > 1 > I've explicitly set the following two logicals:  > F > $ DEFINE ACME$TO_BE_STARTED FALSE                       ! ACM ServerL > $ DEFINE NTA$NT_ACME_TO_BE_STARTED FALSE                ! NT ACM Extension > N > I'll be rebooting around the 20th, so we will see if the server starts up on	 > reboot.0 > H > Of course, I'm suspicious of the DEFINE (rather than DEFINE/SYSTEM)...  N If they are logicals used only by the system start-up procedure, then process K logicals would be fine.  Why would you want system logicals that are never l) required after the start-up is completed?o   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin RoadI Vanderbilt, PA  15486:   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:59:17 GMT-0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?m7 Message-ID: <Fu4jb.6062$d6.261462@nasal.pacific.net.au>D  5 Bradford J. Hamilton <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote:vr > In article <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > !pH > !I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell me > !it's purpose. > ? > It is the Authentication and Credential Management authority:  > J > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6539/6539pro_009.html#index_x_190 > N > Authenticates users for OpenVMS and Windows NT.  Apparently used by Advanced > Server for VMS.s > P > Interestingly, it looks as though this server is *not* started by default, yetC > I don't remember enabling it to run.  Time to study the manual...S   	On VMS 7.3-1 :   . ALPHA>SEARCH SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM ACME/WIN=4k $stdrv$requests = stdrv$requests + ",MINIMUM,NETWORK,OPCOM,SHADOW_SERVER,SMISERVER,UPGRADE,SECURITY_SERVER" 1 $stdrv$requests = stdrv$requests + ",ACME_SERVER"o* $stdrv$i = f$locate(","+p1,stdrv$requests)) $if stdrv$i .eq. f$length(stdrv$requests)r   ALPHA>DIR SYS$STARTUP:*ACME*  " Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]  C ACME$STARTUP.COM;1                      11  22-APR-2002 15:25:29.56vC NTA$STARTUP_NT_ACME.COM;1               16  22-APR-2002 15:25:56.47eC VMS$CONFIG-050_ACME_SERVER.COM;1         2  18-JUL-2002 18:09:37.02o   Total of 3 files, 29 blocks.  E 	It seems to me that it is started at boot time. It is running on oureG 	systems even though we haven't enabled it explicitly. I guess it couldoF 	be controlled by logicals... but it doesn't seem to be consuming much 	resources.2 							Cheers,  Csabae  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:r    Gummidge's Law :cG   The amount of expertise varies in inverse proportion to the number ofn- 	statements understood by the general public.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:18:31 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? ) Message-ID: <3F8CD89D.F2884B4B@istop.com>i   HARANGOZO CSABA wrote:P >         systems even though we haven't enabled it explicitly. I guess it couldO >         be controlled by logicals... but it doesn't seem to be consuming muche >         resources. >                         K Just wait for that road runner process to start on one of the nodes. You'll N find the ACME_SERVER starting to consume heaps of resources (and probably also2 requiring much inter process comms to the coyote).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:21:34 GMTr5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) . Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1410032031170001@user-uinj41n.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <%8Wib.6999$OC2.39@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote:m  H >Huh?  What hardware feature of Alpha is there to support OpenVMS?  The F >only hardware features I know of are the RC and RS instructions that B >were added to allow VEST to do correct VAX to Alpha translations. >bI >The rest is all PALcode.  Now you can certainly argue that the creation  J >of the concept of PALcode was a benefit to OpenVMS's design at the time, # >but it benefited Tru64 and others.t    E And PALcode on Alpha is NOT a performance enhancement in most cases. aG Getting in and out of PAL routines involves a lot of overhead.  I thinkc. the goal was ease of porting, not performance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:24:14 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@ca.istop.com>0. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?, Message-ID: <3F8CA19A.A733D10E@ca.istop.com>   John Smith wrote:rK > asks 'How'd your test on that IA64 thing go?' and you answer 'It was slow3K > but that's to be expected at this stage of the VMS port and on the box ith5 > was running on.', the PHB only hears "It was slow".e  L I think that HP has made it quite clear that IA64 isn't ready for prime timeK yet.  When Curly announced the murder of Alpha, it was said clearly that ittI would take a few years before VMS on IA64 would be ready for prime time. w  K VMS on IA64 is beta, and IA64 is beta. It is great that HP is allowing such/M early pilot tests. But those aren't demo systems, and any manager should know0 that.   N If/when VMS becomes commercially available on IA64, then, and only then should& judgement on price/performance begin.   Y For now, VMS is only commercially available on Alpha and 8086s (via Charon-VAX emulator).s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:53:31 -0400v( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?, Message-ID: <3F8CA89B.6060000@tsoft-inc.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:c  > > In article <%8Wib.6999$OC2.39@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan > <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote:  >  > I >>Huh?  What hardware feature of Alpha is there to support OpenVMS?  The  G >>only hardware features I know of are the RC and RS instructions that eC >>were added to allow VEST to do correct VAX to Alpha translations.l >>J >>The rest is all PALcode.  Now you can certainly argue that the creation K >>of the concept of PALcode was a benefit to OpenVMS's design at the time, a$ >>but it benefited Tru64 and others. >> >  > G > And PALcode on Alpha is NOT a performance enhancement in most cases. aI > Getting in and out of PAL routines involves a lot of overhead.  I thinki0 > the goal was ease of porting, not performance. >   L The goal was versitility.  The designers had no idea where the CPU might be Q adopted, and wanted to be versitile enough to fit in multiple environments.  VMS AO was/is one of those environments.  I remember a discussion from many years ago 3L where there was speculation that PALcode might be able to implement the x86  instruction set.   Dave   -- d4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roada Vanderbilt, PA  15486g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:22:29 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?) Message-ID: <3F8CBD73.40686724@istop.com>i   David Froble wrote: P > was/is one of those environments.  I remember a discussion from many years agoM > where there was speculation that PALcode might be able to implement the x86r > instruction set.  K During a decus-lug meeting in montreal a long long long time ago,  we had a L presentation of the then soon-to-arrive alpha chip. There were some AndersenH consultants in the room (who would normally never attend Digital relatedN presentations). The emulation of instructiosn by pal code was discussed by theL presenter. During question period, I blatantly asked if it would be possibleN for alpha to emulate AS400 instruction set with just a new set of pal code. HeH answered that theoretically yes. You should have seen the faces of thoseF Andersen consultants.  (I was seated next to a decie who pointed those< consultant to me and how they were involved in As400 sales).  I AS400 may have been the "VAX killer", but Alpha could have been the AS400 @ killer. IBM is probably happy Digital was so inept at marketing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:59:34 -0700e, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disksi+ Message-ID: <bmho3m$o75$1@news01.intel.com>t   H Vlems wrote:   > Wilm,a > N > you've got me thoroughly confused by now. A shared SCSI cluster has at leastM > one SCSI bus with two VMS hosts attached to the bus (those buses). The data H > travels the SCSI bus(es) the lockmanager uses, by default, the fastest$ > common NI it can lay its hands on.  B Do recall that Alpha-based SCSI clusters _still_ need to have the B systems connected to the same network.  The very simple reason is E that the SCSI busses carry _only_ storage-related data.  ALL CLUSTER d@ communication goes over the network (NI) connection(s). (Memory A Channel can also carry cluster communications, but let's not get t distracted. :-)e  C I have no idea how this bears on the Charon cluster, but it sounds  E very much like the same sorts of constraints as with a "traditional" v
 SCSI cluster.c   	-Kene --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldt! D1C Automation VMS System Supports" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:13:38 -0400-( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disksi, Message-ID: <3F8CAD52.1080202@tsoft-inc.com>   Wilm Boerhout wrote:   >  >>G >> What the CI did was allow direct access to storage by each system.  dG >> Systems without such an interconnect were forced to serve all disks i+ >> from the system they were/are connected.l >> > H > This is exactly what our SCSI solution gives us: direct access to the G > storage by each system. No need to MSCP serve. Mind you, these Intel nJ > systems often have their own internal SCSI drives as well, on the local D > SCSI bus. Our system does. These devices *are* MSCP served to the 9 > cluster, as are any local virtual disk container files.n >  >>G >> I'm with you on wondering about 2 masters on the SCSI bus.  I don't  A >> know much about differential SCSI, well, SCSI in general, and  G >> therefore don't know if the differential SCSI hardware handles such.o >> > J > There are *no* two masters on the bus. As explained in the white paper, J > each VAX only sees the SCSI drives, not the other VAX host, and Windows K > does "little or nothing" on that SCSI bus. I plan to run more heave load  K > tests, but based on what I saw already, it's more than interesting. It's f > production class.s >   . Ok, now you're introducing potential problems.  M Does Charon VAX have it's own disk drivers, or do is work through the windoz  L SCSI drivers?  If it's the latter, then what about cached data?  How do you 2 force a write by the VAX to really be on the disk?  N The DLM will allow you to coordinate reads of data, which could come from the O disk, or from the cached data in say system A, for a read on system A.  If the cN write from system A never reaches the disk, and system B reads the same data, Q and updates it, it will not include the system A update which is still in memory  L on system A.  When system A finally writes the data to disk (flushes cache, O assuming this even happens), it will potentially wipe out the system B update,  M depending upon timing, or perhaps system B will wipe out the system A update.e  P How do you know, that when the DLM gives system A the green light to read data, Q that the data comes from disk and is the latest version of the data?  How do you $N know that the data you wrote from system A, prior to releasing the lock, does L indeed get to disk, and is the data actually read by another system when it  obtains a lock on the data?h  Q If Charon VAX is using the windoz I/O system for disk I/O, then the code running tP under VAX emulation has no control over the I/O, and no way to force a flush to  disk.t  P I'd think that either there is no caching whatsoever, and then windoz will be a P real pig at I/O, or the two SCSI controllers would need to coordinate things to T avoid stepping on each other, or Charon VAX itself would need to exert some control.  J Try a simple test like this.  Have a simple indexed RMS file with a field N initialized to "NoSystem".  Have both systems run a program to open the file, Q lookup the record, print the data in the field, set the field to the name of the rP system, and write the record, releasing the lock.  If the program is started at K the same time on both systems, one will win the race for the lock, and the 2Q second system will wait for the lock to be granted, then perform it's operations.o  P The first system to get the record should print out "NoSystem", then change the P data to, for example, "System B".  When system A gets the data, it should print 2 out "System B", and change the data to "System A".  N Then take down the system that got the record last.  Then take down the other < system.  Bring them both up and check the value of the data.    I'd be interested in the result.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              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