1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 572       Contents: Re: Advertising in HP  Re: Advertising in HP 0 Re: Anyone interested in a media player for VMS? As seen on openvms.org, Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default Re: Binary to Ascii files / BlackList search (was: PLI land is unreachable)  Delete UCX$* user accounts Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console 5 Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console - Re: ITRC Patch Download FAQ for OpenVMS users  Map VMS disk on my XP box  Re: Map VMS disk on my XP box  Re: Map VMS disk on my XP box C Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive research report on HPQ  MX ECO8+ & and Legal mail 
 MX regex ?* Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd* Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd* Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd* Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd OpenVMS Business Solutions CD ! Re: OpenVMS Business Solutions CD 2 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? RE: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PLI land is unreachable  Re: PLI land is unreachable  Re: PLI land is unreachable  Re: PLI land is unreachable  Re: PLI land is unreachable  Re: PLI land is unreachable P Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases  positive reL Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positiveL Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positiveP Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive  re, Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address, Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address' Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? ) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media ) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media @ SIMH (was: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks)D Re: SIMH (was: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks)5 Stats for the VAX/VMS to Itanium migration newsletter  strange events Re: strange events Re: strange events Re: TCPIP> set name/nodomain TCPIP> set name/nodomain Re: TCPIP> set name/nodomainG Toulouse-Blagnac airport is black listed (was: PLI land is unreachable)  Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER?8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks XNET?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2003 04:18 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: Advertising in HP- Message-ID: <15OCT200304181040@gerg.tamu.edu>   ) Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes...  }JF Mezei wrote:E }> Toys for christmas. People will be drawing up their chritmas lists E }> soon. So now is the time to put HP products into people's minds so 5 }> they can ask for those gadgets as christmas gifts.  } J }Oh, right. And now you're going to expect me to believe I'm the only one 3 }who asked Santa for a clustered ES-47s and a T1...   G Why would you ask for a T1? They are terribly slow compared to what you H could be asking for, especially considering the price range of the otherF thing you are asking for. Ask for an OC-48, which is roughly 2.6Gb/secJ (settle for an OC-3, which is something like 155Mb/sec or 100 times faster than a T1).   D As long as you are wishing, you may as well wish for the good stuff.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 07:38:47 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Advertising in HP3 Message-ID: <8QOARL+OBMTI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3F8CB19D.3000205@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes: > K > Oh, right. And now you're going to expect me to believe I'm the only one  4 > who asked Santa for a clustered ES-47s and a T1...  C    You must be.  I'm hoping Santa will get me one of those Itaniums C    running VMS that showed up in the UK ad.   Now that's a new toy!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:17:39 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>9 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a media player for VMS? 2 Message-ID: <bmior6$a1p$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  K Yes, I am. But even more in a new Flash plugin for Mozilla. The old one is  ? hardly usable anymore, and since many web designers use flash..    Mark Berryman wrote:I > I have ported mplayer (the media player for Linux systems) to VMS.  It  G > is capable of playing a wide-range of audio/video formats, including  K > acting as a DVD player.  Unfortunately, most of the optimizations in the  J > code assume a GNU C compiler and an Intel/AMD hardware platform.  There G > are only a handful of Alpha optimizations.  The result is video that  $ > plays too slowly, even on my DS10. > K > Right now I am looking at finding all of the code that was optimized for  F > MMX and writeing a version optimized for Alpha.  I was wondering if C > there was anyone out there willing to lend a hand with this.  My  I > understanding of the Alpha instruction set is sufficient to read crash  K > dumps but doesn't really extend to a knowledge of instruction latency or  C > scheduling.  (I do have a copy of the Alpha Architecture manual).  > C > I've also discovered that Motif V1.3 includes a Direct-Rendering  I > extension.  Can anyone point me to any info on how to make use of this?  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > Mark Berryman  > J > P.S.  If there are any Motif for VMS maintainers reading this, it would K > be really helpful if VMS supported the Xv extension.  This appears to be  G > how Linux on Alpha is able to get such good performance with mplayer  E > since, among other things, it eliminates the need for a YUV to RGB  
 > conversion.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:25:58 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: As seen on openvms.org I Message-ID: <aGdjb.113733$ko%.63025@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   (       Carly Teams Up With the TerminatorH       Posted by Terry Shannon (Friday October 10 2003 @ 02:26PM EDT) [ ]H       As if the lady doesn't have enough on her plate already, HP's headL honcho has been appointed to California Governor-elect Arnold SchwarzeneggerL 's Transition Committee. HP on 9 October issued the following statement fromL Carly Fiorina, HP chairman and CEO, regarding her appointment:"We're honoredF to be playing an advisory role in this important transition. ........"E .......Announced yesterday, Mr. Schwarzenegger's Transition Committee I consists of a very diverse group of politicians and business experts; Ms. L Fiorina no doubt will contribute her expertise to help reverse the exodus of0 high-tech jobs from California's Silicon Valley.      H       No doubt indeed. She'll be advising the Governator that CaliforniaF should base all its systems on Microsoft Windows (made in Redmond, WA)K running on HP PC's (made in Taiwan), all supported out of Bangalore, India.   H       And also no doubt, she'll advise Arnie that he simply must come to Davos with her.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2003 04:09 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 5 Subject: Re: Authorize suggestion: sys$system default - Message-ID: <15OCT200304092964@gerg.tamu.edu>   1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@ca.istop.com> writes... O }Also, if you have SYSUAF defined to point to the file in SYS$SYSTEM, you can't C }work on a local file because it defaults to the one in sys$system.    Of course you can.  M Define SYSUAF as a process (or job, or group) logical name, it will superceed  the system value.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 02:05:00 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) " Subject: Re: Binary to Ascii files= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0310150105.67e411dc@posting.google.com>   ` "Phil Howes" <howesp@logica.com> wrote in message news:<1066143163.96678@ernani.logica.co.uk>... > Hi, I > I've got a bit of a problem with some text files that get FTP'd to our  I > site.  An external supplier sends a text file in binary form to us for  G > automatic processing. The file comes back to us all on one line.  We  K > used to use Ascii files, and the text was spread out over several lines,  H > as we want it. However, the external server owners have made a change K > that now requires them to send Binary files.  Any idea how I can convert  H > a one line text binary file into a multi line text file simply?  I've I > tried a few of the 'set file/attribute=(rfm:xxx) commands, but nothing  ; > seems to work. Is this possible without writing a script? 	 > Thanks,  > Phil > --* I still use the eveplus command fix_crlfs,)  it seems to cope with most file formats.  Phil _TNA2:typ fix_crlfs.tpu  !+? !       FIX_CRLFS.TPU - Routine to turn CRLFs into line breaks  B !                       and remove leading CRs and trailing CRLFs  !-   procedure eve_fix_crlfs    LOCAL   the_range;       on_error+         if (ERROR <> tpu$_STRNOTFOUND) then M             message("Error (" + str(ERROR) + ") at line " + str(ERROR_LINE));              return;          endif;     endon_error;   ! G ! First remove the CRLFs. If they are not at the EOL, add a line break.  ! +     position(beginning_of(current_buffer));      loop:         the_range := search(ascii(13)+ascii(10), FORWARD);         exitif (the_range = 0);          erase(the_range); *         position(beginning_of(the_range));)         if (current_character <> "") then              split_line;          endif;     endloop; ! F ! Next remove naked LFs. If they are not at the EOL, add a line break. ! +     position(beginning_of(current_buffer));      loop0         the_range := search(ascii(10), FORWARD);         exitif (the_range = 0);          erase(the_range); *         position(beginning_of(the_range));)         if (current_character <> "") then              split_line;          endif;     endloop; ! J ! Finally, remove naked CRs. If they are not at the BOL, add a line break. ! +     position(beginning_of(current_buffer));      loop0         the_range := search(ascii(13), FORWARD);         exitif (the_range = 0); $         position(end_of(the_range));%         if (current_offset <> 0) then              split_line;          endif;         erase(the_range);      endloop;   endprocedure   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:01:10 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>8 Subject: BlackList search (was: PLI land is unreachable)4 Message-ID: <3f8d6f4b$0$10406$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   John E. Malmberg wrote:   : > http://informatie.easynet.nl/error/errors.html#dynablock  / I found something else which seems interesting:    http://openrbl.org/  193.253.42.28 gave:   H Multi DNSBL Lookup 193.253.42.28 http://openrbl.org/ip/193/253/42/28.htm  I   Lookup 193.253.42.28 (atoulouse-105-1-2-28.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) in   19+12 Zones <   AS: 193.253.0.0/16 AS3215 France Telecom / &Equant UNKNOWN0   Net 193/8 EU-ZZ-193 ? Amsterdam, North Holland<   Results: Positive=6, Negative=25 (2003-10-15 15:50:45 UTC)  7      * @DYNAMIC/dialup: 193.253.42/24: 553 DynaBlock -  ( http://dynablock.easynet.nl/errors.html;G        193.253/16: 553 ADSL/CABLE/DIALUP abo.wanadoo.fr IP2000-ADSL-BAS E      * @ISP/blackholes.us: 193.253.42/24: 553 ISP WANADOO-FR - 16.8%   blocked by NOMORE [Blockparade] H      * @SPAM/spamsource: 193.253.42/24: 553 PROXY 193.253.42.245,250,75  SW BWN wanadoo.fr SWN 2003-07 F      * NOMORE/moensted.dk: 193.253.42/24: 553 NOMORE wanadoo.fr.dialupE      * XBL/telecom-fr: sobig.f from APlessis-Bouchard; open proxies;  ' open relays that stay open [No Removal] B      * FIVETEN/193.253.31.168.wanadoo.fr.misc.spam: miscellaneous ' address blocks that have sent spam here   F      * Negative 25: @COUNTRY BLARS BONDED BOPM CBL DRBL DSBL INTERSIL D JIPPGMA LNSG NJABL ORDB PERMBL PSBL PSS REYNOLDS RFC_IPWH SBL SORBS . SPAMBAG SPAMCOP SPAMRBL SPAMSITE SPEWS UCEPROT  E   Hints for 193.253.42.28: (external, use BACK or ALT-LEFT when done)   H      * Track "atoulouse-105-1-2-28.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr" at [Whois &  Abuse|SpamCop*] L      * Search "193.253.42.28" at [Google|SpamCop*|SenderBase] [MAPS|Schlund]:      * CHECK: Nominate Relay-Test at: [ORDB] [Add Comment]H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  A So, what I understand from all this is that the block 193.253.42  B contains at least three spammers, this is why the whole block was  blacklisted.   Stupid.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:05:52 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)# Subject: Delete UCX$* user accounts 1 Message-ID: <03101510055197@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   Q An Alpha/VMS cluster I recently inherited has a somewhat current version of TCPIP  (V5.0 and V5.1).  O On this same OS are a number of UCX$* accounts I believe to be left over from a ) prior VAX installation upgraded to Alpha.   B I would like to remove these accounts.  Would it be safe to do so?    E UCX$BIND             UCX$BIND        [375,7]      UCX$BIND Normal ... E UCX$BOOTP            UCX$BOOTP       [375,10]     UCX$BOOT Normal ... E UCX$FINGER           UCX$FINGER      [375,20]     UCX$FING Normal ... E UCX$FTP              UCX$FTP         [375,2]      UCX$FTP  Normal ... E UCX$METRIC           UCX$METRIC      [375,16]     UCX$METR Normal ... E UCX$NFS              UCX$NFS         [375,12]     UCX$NFS  Normal ... E UCX$NOBODY           UCX$NOBODY     [3375,1]      UCX$NOBO Normal ... E UCX$NTP              UCX$NTP         [375,15]     UCX$NTP  Normal ... E UCX$PCNFS            UCX$PCNFS       [375,14]     UCX$PCNF Normal ... E UCX$POP              UCX$POP         [375,17]     UCX$POP  Normal ... E UCX$PORTM            UCX$PORTM       [375,13]     UCX$PORT Normal ... E UCX$REXEC            UCX$REXEC       [375,5]      UCX$REXE Normal ... E UCX$RSH              UCX$RSH         [375,4]      UCX$RSH  Normal ... E UCX$SNMP             UCX$SNMP        [375,3]      UCX$SNMP Normal ... E UCX$TFTP             UCX$TFTP        [375,11]     UCX$TFTP Normal ... E UCX_LPD              UCX_LPD         [375,1]      UCX_LPD  Normal ... E UCX_SMTP             UCX_SMTP        [375,6]      UCX_SMTP Normal ...        J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:48:01 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)' Subject: Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts 1 Message-ID: <03101510480174@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   = > Do you have corresponding TCPIP$blahblah accounts in place?   5 Yes I do.  The V5.x uses the TCPIP$blahblah accounts.   = > To be safe, I'd look at the SYSUAF records for each of them > > and check the last login dates (especially non-interactive) A > to make sure they're not only merely dead, they're really most   > sincerely dead.   @ I have done that.  The directory structure is also non-existent.  F The accounts have activity prior to Mar-2000 --- about the time of the VAX to Alpha upgrade.   L I believe I can delete the accounts without a problem however just wanted to- check and make sure before I push the button.      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:49:43 -0500 9 From: "George Cornelius" <cornelius.REMOVE.THIS@mayo.edu> ' Subject: Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts + Message-ID: <bmjq7c$8qf$1@tribune.mayo.edu>   3 John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:03101510055197@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... J > An Alpha/VMS cluster I recently inherited has a somewhat current version of TCPIP > (V5.0 and V5.1). > J > On this same OS are a number of UCX$* accounts I believe to be left over from a+ > prior VAX installation upgraded to Alpha.  > D > I would like to remove these accounts.  Would it be safe to do so? >  > G > UCX$BIND             UCX$BIND        [375,7]      UCX$BIND Normal ... G > UCX$BOOTP            UCX$BOOTP       [375,10]     UCX$BOOT Normal ...    [...]   H In theory, yes.  I vaguely remember that the new TCPIP services may haveJ been accidentally retaining a reference to one of the old accounts, so you may 
 want to issue     $ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE/FULL  D on each node and double check the output before going ahead with it.   --H George Cornelius                  cornelius.REMOVE.THIS@eisner.decus.orgK                                              cornelius.REMOVE.THIS@mayo.edu    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 11:58:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts 3 Message-ID: <g$l3hGSe5lB+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <bmjq7c$8qf$1@tribune.mayo.edu>, "George Cornelius" <cornelius.REMOVE.THIS@mayo.edu> writes:   E >> I would like to remove these accounts.  Would it be safe to do so?  >> >>H >> UCX$BIND             UCX$BIND        [375,7]      UCX$BIND Normal ...H >> UCX$BOOTP            UCX$BOOTP       [375,10]     UCX$BOOT Normal ... >  > [...]  > J > In theory, yes.  I vaguely remember that the new TCPIP services may haveL > been accidentally retaining a reference to one of the old accounts, so you > may  > want to issue  >  >  $ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE/FULL > F > on each node and double check the output before going ahead with it.  B Or start your command by setting DISUSER on the accounts to see if7 anything breaks.  Wait a year and then finish them off.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 03:51:53 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console3 Message-ID: <L0NRtm$8KL1o@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:E > How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console when 1 > you boot OpenVMS without DECwindows yet loaded? 5 > (e.g. newly shipped server, loading licenses, etc.)   	 Use TECO.   ? > When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape G > characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, and I end ( > up with a weird command line of sorts.2 > Am I forced to use EDIT/EDT at the command line?   Or use TECO.  2 > $SET TERMINAL/VT100  does not solve the problem.  5 No, because that screen is not a full VT100 emulator.   # SET TERMINAL/LA120 would be closer.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:37:12 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) > Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console2 Message-ID: <c4cjb.7046$Bq3.4577@news.cpqcorp.net>  l In article <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:C >How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console ...  ..> >When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape@ >characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, ...  ' I assume that OPA0: is a graphics head?   H If so, thre is no way to support full screen editing without DECwindows.  J If you are [brave|foolish|desperate] enough, you can try EDT in line mode:  "     $ EDIT/EDT/NOJOURNAL/NOCOMMAND   (You may not need /NOJOURNAL)   8 HINT -- if you've never done this, start by typing HELP.  I Note that this is decidedly NOT the preferred way to edit a file, but it  C can get you by problems that require changing a file and rebooting.   C A better option, if posible, is to attach a VT terminal and log in  D from it.  Or patch an rs232 line from this system to another running? OpenVMS system.  Then on the other system SET HOST /DTE TTA0:    (or TTB0, or???)   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 08:24:43 -0700, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)> Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0310150724.66263b0a@posting.google.com>   - Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote % > SET TERMINAL/LA120 would be closer.   + SET TERMINAL/VT52 works the best... so far. . I am able to use EDIT/EDT in full screen mode.# <Prev> and <Next> keys do not work.   F SET TERMINAL/LA120 still displayed escape sequences and did not format the screen.     E While trying to use EDIT/TPU, I received an error regarding SYS$INPUT 3 not being properly defined. So I will use EDIT/EDT.     E Neither SET TERMINAL/OVERSTRIKE nor /INSERT does any good for command : line editing. I must delete back to my mistake and retype.    % I will consider using the TTA0: port.    Thanks.  Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:14:46 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG> Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console0 Message-ID: <00A2768D.A6526ED5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <c4cjb.7046$Bq3.4577@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:m >In article <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes: D >>How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console ... >...? >>When I try to use EDIT/EDT or EDIT/TPU, I see a lot of escape A >>characters trying to format the screen display, that fails, ...  > ( >I assume that OPA0: is a graphics head? > I >If so, thre is no way to support full screen editing without DECwindows.  > K >If you are [brave|foolish|desperate] enough, you can try EDT in line mode:   I This [brave|foolish|desperate] individual did this many a time on Ye Olde J DECwriters connected to VAX 11/780s.  I found the trick was to enable num-I bers and list the file.  Then it was easy to edit with insert, delete and 
 substitute.       # >    $ EDIT/EDT/NOJOURNAL/NOCOMMAND  >  >(You may not need /NOJOURNAL) > 9 >HINT -- if you've never done this, start by typing HELP.  > J >Note that this is decidedly NOT the preferred way to edit a file, but it D >can get you by problems that require changing a file and rebooting. > D >A better option, if posible, is to attach a VT terminal and log in E >from it.  Or patch an rs232 line from this system to another running @ >OpenVMS system.  Then on the other system SET HOST /DTE TTA0:   >(or TTB0, or???)    Chicken! ;)    --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:21:31 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> > Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console/ Message-ID: <3F8D56ED.53309152@eps.zko.dec.com>    Charlie Hammond wrote:  n > In article <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:E > >How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console ...   j If you insist on screen mode, just use SET TERM/VT52 as indicated early, and send beer to Fred Kleinsorge.  L > If you are [brave|foolish|desperate] enough, you can try EDT in line mode:  R Charlie, you missed several adjectives, notably 'old' and and 'effciency obsessed'  H EDT line mode is NOT hard, (easier then 'sqlPLUS' line mode editting :-)n If all I need to do is a global replace, add or delete a quick line, cut a file lines to a file it work great.m If your idea of making enginering notes is to trust your 9999 line history of your termial emulator then line  more is a big friend.   p Personally I hate wasting 'bits', so I hate (waiting for) filling a screen with the first section of a file whenl I am not interested in that. So I always start out in line mode, search to the 'right line' (or enter a line: number) and then 'c' change to screen mode for real edits.  $ >     $ EDIT/EDT/NOJOURNAL/NOCOMMAND >  > (You may not need /NOJOURNAL)   o whooaa... JOURNAL and COMMAND have nothing to do with linemode, other then that the default init command EDTINI p or EDTSYS might force screen mode on. To combat that  a /NOCOM is useful, and if you end up using linemode a lotj you may want to use a specialized .EDT file to stay in line mode and yet define any or all other items youC edtini might do. In such case you'd use /COMMAND=my-linemode-edtini  See HELP EDIT /EDT /COMMAND   C > Note that this is decidedly NOT the preferred way to edit a file,    I beg to differ :-)   :-)   :-)    Grins, Hein.   ? ps....: 24+ year EDT linemode, after a first year of EDI on RSX C pps..: This September first marked my 25 years with |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:38:34 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> > Subject: Re: edit a file on opa0: alphaServer operator console2 Message-ID: <_Rdjb.7058$St3.1753@news.cpqcorp.net>  F "Hein van den Heuvel" <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> wrote in message) news:3F8D56ED.53309152@eps.zko.dec.com...  >  > Charlie Hammond wrote: > A > > In article <4b6ec350.0310141637.691b3606@posting.google.com>, . JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:G > > >How can you (easily) edit a file on the OPA0: operator console ...  > J > If you insist on screen mode, just use SET TERM/VT52 as indicated early,! and send beer to Fred Kleinsorge.  >   + Thank you.  Anchor Steam is my favorite ;-)   K Yup.  I threw in the handful of lines needed to emulate a VT52 a long, long J time ago.  I thought about doing a VT100 - but that's a lot more work.  AsG long as the graphics driver is loaded (that is, if you get the "OpenVMS J Alpha Console" message on the 25th line - you can hard set the terminal toK VT52 and use EDT).  If the graphics driver isn't loaded (no OpenVMS message L on the 25th line) then it is a dumb terminal, and you have to fall back to a/ non-video editor like command line EDT or TECO.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:16:43 GMT 2 From: "George Pagliarulo" <georgepag@adelphia.net>6 Subject: Re: ITRC Patch Download FAQ for OpenVMS users2 Message-ID: <LUajb.7043$Fo3.5305@news.cpqcorp.net>  I     The FAQ is being posted on the site but in a pretty indirect fashion. D If you go to the patch download page (the one that lists the variousH operating systems, you will see a right sidebar.  Under the "what's new"E section there is a ">Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS Patches" option.  That is H actually the User Guide  (don't ask.  I just discovered this myself).  AL link to the FAQ is being added to that guide.  In the future there will be a) direct link to the FAQ added to the page.   I     The reason it is being done this way is so that some kind of FAQ link C can be added as soon as possible.  Changes are not made to the ITRC L interface as needed.  They are made via regular quarterly releases.  HoweverL we can change the pages that the interface points to.  That's why a link can be added to the user guide no   3 "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote in message 2 news:13olov4tgu1abaqodq8npbckum69d3gooa@4ax.com...7 > On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:52:25 GMT, "George Pagliarulo"  <georgepag@adelphia.net> > wrote: > G > >   I've compiled the questions and comments I've received from users  about J > >the new ITRC patch download site into an FAQ.  Hopefully this will help the G > >transition to the new site go smoother and answer a lot of lingering 
 > >questions.  > >  > >George Pagliarulo > >Hewlett-Packard Company > J > Thanks for putting this together -- can you also post it on the ITRC web site? I L > spent awhile trying to find it there today, with no success. My best guess was 0 > the FAQ section on the site but no luck there.K > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- K > David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com K > Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:13:08 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>" Subject: Map VMS disk on my XP box4 Message-ID: <3f8d0198$0$10418$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  H I started NFS and PC-NFS on my VMS box, I created the NFS disk with the H appropriate TCPIP commands, but when I connect on the PC the VMS-served B disk via the "map network drive from server" button, I get a full G FTP-like directory of all my disk, instead of the directory I supplied   in the TCPIP MAP command.. Why?   I The output of the "map network drive from server" command may be seen <a  I href="blagnac.dyndns.org/nfs_bug.jpg">here</a> (cut/paste does not work).    Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:46:47 +0200 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> & Subject: Re: Map VMS disk on my XP box8 Message-ID: <bmj8im$n3jis$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Didier Morandi wrote: E > I started NFS and PC-NFS on my VMS box, I created the NFS disk with B > the appropriate TCPIP commands, but when I connect on the PC theG > VMS-served disk via the "map network drive from server" button, I get F > a full FTP-like directory of all my disk, instead of the directory I* > supplied in the TCPIP MAP command.. Why? > G > The output of the "map network drive from server" command may be seen G > <a href="blagnac.dyndns.org/nfs_bug.jpg">here</a> (cut/paste does not 	 > work).    F As the window's headline quite clearly says, this connection _is_ made via FTP.  D And the picture also shows that Micro$oft's implementation is as badE as many other graphical FTP clients; it can't deal with VMS/UCX 'dir'  output.   B That said, I have heard that XP comes with an NFS client, but have no idea how to use it.   cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:40:19 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>& Subject: Re: Map VMS disk on my XP box4 Message-ID: <3f8d4036$0$10432$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:  H > As the window's headline quite clearly says, this connection _is_ made
 > via FTP. > F > And the picture also shows that Micro$oft's implementation is as badG > as many other graphical FTP clients; it can't deal with VMS/UCX 'dir' 	 > output.  > D > That said, I have heard that XP comes with an NFS client, but have > no idea how to use it.  F Right. Forgot about NFS Client on the u$ box. Blimey (Hi Nick :-) I'm  getting old...   D.  > Riddle: How can one understand that a consultant is available?< Answer: when he spends his days between his VMS box and cov.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2003 12:19:02 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)L Subject: Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive research report on HPQ9 Message-ID: <bmjdvl$mprr5$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   < In article <cf15391e.0310141329.e75cac8@posting.google.com>,4 	keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: > From CBS Marketwatch,  > @ > "Rising expectations of a strong holiday shopping season aidedD > Hewlett-Packard (HPQ), which has embarked on a well-timed consumer > electronics push."    B I certainly hope you don't think this is good news about VMS.  AllA their saying is everyone wants a digital camera and photo-quality @ printer this year.  Everybody (including Walter Hewlett) already
 knew that.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:08:58 +0400 < From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelelecom{dot}RU>" Subject: MX ECO8+ & and Legal mail3 Message-ID: <EF448FCA0D16F70A1258AD0B4088FCB2@nntp>o   Hello All, Matt!Q 	I cannot reach MX lists because MX after ECO8+ rejected mail from legal sources.d  T 	Matt, please, give me an alternative e-mail to send you some bounces from MX lists.   	U -- uF + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222oF +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:02:36 -0700p# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a Subject: MX regex ?e9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECIIEAA.tom@kednos.com>n  ; In the ongoing spam battle, could someone enlighten me why X  * Rule ID: 68  (regular expression matching)     Header: From: "net(work) *4     Added: 15-OCT-2003 08:42:36.56, never referenced  * doesn't catch the following rfc822 header?  2 From: "Net Mail System" <mailautomat@puremail.net>) To: "Mail User" <receiver@homeserver.com>a Subject: ---p& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 08:00:50 +02002 From: "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net>3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd ( Message-ID: <3f8ce28e$1@news.wineasy.se>  F May be not applicable in this particular case, but can't you boot fromL another disk or as a clustersatellite, and replace the sysuaf or sysuafalt ? /LarsC  9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@PROBE.mitre.org> wrote in messagee( news:bmhs49$2gm$1@newslocal.mitre.org...= > ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) writes in articleaC <2f57764a.0310141331.484e2a9e@posting.google.com> dated 14 Oct 2003C 14:31:23 -0700:gG > >After a little struggle, I have limited control of one OpenVMS basedeE > >microvax 3100-95 system which was used as the base business systemi > I > >So my question is is there a straight procedure for resetting the roothF > >(or system or sysadm ) password on this thing? I could possibly put >uH > I'm not all that familiar with that hardware.  There should be a resetL > button somewhere which will get you to a boot prompt:  > or >>>.  What you@ > want to do is boot conversationally from there, something like
 B/F:00000001.o >nD > Then at the SYSBOOT> prompt set SYSUAFALTERNATE to 1 and CONTINUE. >cK > When you get to the login prompt, use SYSTEM and type in any password youRF > wish.  This will get you in if there's no alternate UAF file set up. >S
 > From there,t >  >     $ set def sys$system6 >     $ mc authorize mod system /pass=the_new_password >EF > >NetBSD for microvax on a seperate SCSI disk and try booting off it,H > >mount the other disk's volume if mountable and change the appropriateH > >config file. But is there a simpler way given you have full access toC > >the box, but intend to change on only the root password, and notA" > >install OpenVMS all over again? >3I > If there *is* an alternate UAF set up, you will need a VMS installation  CD, F > but you just have to boot it and then run the authorize utility from there.C > Nothing in NetBSD is going to understand the format of SYSUAF.DAT 	 (probablya- > not even the structure of a Files-11 disk).  >OK > I have seen alphastations which were so locked-down security-wise that itoH > wouldn't even let me boot a CD.  Not even the hardware reset procedure > worked, had to dump 'em. >m > >My other curiosities:) > >(1) Has anyone ported DOOM to the vax?r >  > HAHAHAHAHAHA!r >hD > >(2) Is there an ANSI C99 compiler or perl for OpenVMS for the VAX >tH > Yes, see www.openvms.org for pointers to lots of freeware.  The best CK > compiler is probably HP's, which you can use for free if you sign up as atJ > hobbyist (and promise not to use it for commercial purposes).  Check theJ > licenses already on the system though ($ LICENSE LIST), you might have a > commercial one right there.e >gH > >(3) Are the GNU tools available for it? IE can you type bash and take > >it from there?a >oJ > There's a project called GNV which I intend to build for myself tonight.G > The only releases so far are alpha-test, but it does claim to include  bash.a >aA > >(4) Can OpenVMS run on platforms other than the VAX and Alpha?e >aC > Itanium is the new one as of summer 2003.  And there's always thew
 Charon-VAX" > emulator, which runs on Windows. >e2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:19:38 -0500e2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwde6 Message-ID: <Xns941554AB326FCsee2go4me@216.196.97.132>  @ winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") enlightened us with :   ? > In article <2f57764a.0310141331.484e2a9e@posting.google.com>, 4 > ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) writes:   e@ >>(4) Can OpenVMS run on platforms other than the VAX and Alpha?@ > It can run under VAX emulation on any platform where there's aA > good VAX emulation.  SRI makes a commercial emulator; SIMH is a ) > freeware emulator; both run on Intel.  w  < SIMH will also compile/run on operating systems on non-Intel@ platforms like Mac OS X (Though ethernet support wasn't working B the last time I played with it... might be by now) and most likely Linux. i   -Andy-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:49:26 GMTn& From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd & Message-ID: <3F8D5E76.2BD0AE1D@hp.com>  H If you're coming from a UNIX background and can scrounge up an Alpha to J play with, you'll find more portability features than VAX, such as better F support for UNIX-style filenames and prebuilt versions of GNV (an openH source package maintained by HP which includes bash, GNU make, and lots  of command line utilities).i  H Also, a personal Alpha (no timesharing with work!) will allow you to useG a hobbiest license, which lets you run the most recent versions of the -E operating system, compilers, etc. See the VMS FAQ for details on the m hobbyist program.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:37:01 GMT$& From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd & Message-ID: <3F8D77AD.269F98D1@hp.com>   Earlier today, I wrote:)J > Also, a personal Alpha (no timesharing with work!) will allow you to use > a hobbiest license...n  I William Webb pointed out that I made it sound as if the hobbiest program eH only applies to Alpha systems; this is absolutely not the case! You can ' get hobbiest licenses for VAX as well. n  I The word I meant to emphasize was "personal". The original author said he.J had only limited control over the VAX, which implied that it may still be  used for business purposes.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:18:36 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>& Subject: OpenVMS Business Solutions CD4 Message-ID: <3f8d10ef$0$10433$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  H I just got my complimentary copy of the 2003 OpenVMS Business Solutions B CD. I obviously ran into the OpenVMS 25 years commemoration video.  H It lasted less that one minute, displayed a thousand of pictures that I = had no time to watch, and played a really boring drums piece.a  E This left me a coming headache and a really strong nostalgic feeling.0  C Come on, VMS Marketing, do something better if you want to attract e Customers...   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:44:33 GMT<# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.* Subject: Re: OpenVMS Business Solutions CDJ Message-ID: <l3djb.113619$ko%.101559@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:$? > I just got my complimentary copy of the 2003 OpenVMS BusinessjG > Solutions CD. I obviously ran into the OpenVMS 25 years commemoration  > video. >-G > It lasted less that one minute, displayed a thousand of pictures thatyA > I had no time to watch, and played a really boring drums piece.g >DG > This left me a coming headache and a really strong nostalgic feeling.e >lD > Come on, VMS Marketing, do something better if you want to attract > Customers...     Didier,t  D That's the whole point....HP doesn't want any new customers for VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:43:19 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500tI Message-ID: <b2djb.113617$ko%.68998@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e   I hear an echo here.  = Did someone mention advertising in conjunction with VMS?  ;-)n    < I'm drawn to the  movie 'The Longest Day' for the following.  L The actor Red Buttons portrays a WWII paratrooper whose parachute get caughtE on a church steeple and he is thereby suspended many metres above theu ground, next to the belfrey.  K The church bells are then begun to ring, announcing the invasion of France. H Buttons is trapped for hours with the bells ringing at full force inchesG away from his ears. When finally resuced from his perch he says that he 6 can't hear voices, only the bells ringing in his ears.  H That we could take carly(tm), Blackmore, Fortier, Stallard, Marcello andG Gorham, and hogtie them next to a 10,000 watt loudspeaker that plays an)' endless loop for hours 'Advertise VMS'.   K Hey, now there's an idea....next HP annual meeting...hire PA trucks to parkLF outside each entrance to the meeting venue blasting "Shareholders! AskH carly(tm) why HP doesn't advertise OpenVMS. It only brings in 20% of the company's profits."D             David J. Dachtera wrote: > Keith Parris wrote:) >>D >> "HP OpenVMS: ISV commitment and enthusiasm grow for HP OpenVMS on >> Integrity servers >>C >> With more than 500 ISV applications now committed to port to theeG >> OpenVMS operating system on HP Integrity servers, ISV commitment andgC >> enthusiasm continue to grow. "The momentum continues!" says MarksH >> Gorham, Vice President, OpenVMS systems. "This milestone demonstratesE >> that HP and its partners are true to our commitment to ensure that_F >> OpenVMS customers experience a smooth evolution as they incorporate? >> OpenVMS on the Integrity server family into their OpenVMS onOC >> AlphaServer environments. We expect these application numbers to ? >> increase rapidly after we ship the native compilers with the G >> evaluation release of OpenVMS v 8.1 for early adopters in December."  >f( > The truer measures of success will be: >i, > 1. ISV follow-through on their commitments6 > 2. 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have a problem" here. Consequently, if you reader I > are involved in this issue, could you please post here your answers to lK > the following few questions and add a comment as an answer to question 5?t > J > Those of you (who are numerous) who do not wish to post for any reason, > > you may send your answers to mailto:didiermorandi@nerim.net.	 > Thanks.5 > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Q1. Are/were you using PL/1 ?r > On VAX  : YES / NO > On Alpha: YES / NO > 0 > Q2. Does your Company plan to move to Itanium?
 > YES / NO > E > Q3. If YES will you have to port your PL/1 applications to Itanium? 
 > YES / NO > E > Q4. If YES, did you adress the non availability of the KEDNOS PL/1 t > compiler on IA64 issue? 
 > YES / NO > 8 > Q5. If YES, what did you do and what were the results?   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 06:50:44 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera)f' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?n= Message-ID: <66a00d01.0310150550.31ba0dae@posting.google.com>l  ^ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3f8d19aa$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>...F > TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers?????????????????  F I think it may be more accurate to say that to date, of the readers to@ whom the questions in the survey apply, only two have responded.  E I'm sure there are many here who agree that maintaining VMS's supportb" for multiple 3GLs is a good thing.  C I'm equally sure it's safe to say that this group represents only ao, small portion of the VMS community at large.  F To reach a broader audience, it may necessary to enlist help from more visible sources.   -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsa   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:49:17 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?eH Message-ID: <N7djb.113623$ko%.6799@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:mF > TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers????????????????? >  > D.    D I don't think that the fine people at the NSA and most other defenseF agencies around the world that use PL/1 on VMS are permitted to accessF newsgroups from work. And accessing them from home may be some sort of: violation of a security oath. Mere speculation on my part.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:14:56 GMTM# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>E' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you? I Message-ID: <Qvdjb.113710$ko%.94550@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:nF > TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers?????????????????  J The other statistic that's worth noting is the number of systems affected.  J Two people could be speaking for a total of two servers or 12,000 servers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:54:27 -0700o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>6' Subject: RE: PL/1 users, where are you?@9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICECLIEAA.tom@kednos.com>w  L Most of our PL/I customers aren't on this list, so I have forwarded Didier's; posting to them.  Whether or not they respond, I don't knowo  I I can confirm the previous posting that there a number of defense relatedo2 agencies in a number of countries that use PL/I.    I The preliminary indications that I have gotten are not so much what they wF will do with their PL/I code, but whether they will stay with VMS, andI I believe Keith Lewis and Jeff Goodwin articulated that position as well.r   >-----Original Message-----n) >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]-* >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:15 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you? >e >  >Didier Morandi wrote:G >> TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers?????????????????  >aK >The other statistic that's worth noting is the number of systems affected.h >iK >Two people could be speaking for a total of two servers or 12,000 servers.c >, >m >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.>; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eA >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003f >c --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 11:53:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)[' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?h3 Message-ID: <ID+fj9bETm6P@eisner.encompasserve.org>A  Y In article <3f8d19aa$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:oF > TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers?????????????????  B You may have an inappropriately optimistic view of how many people@ participate in comp.os.vms.  Certainly there are some people who participate a _lot_.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:53:59 +0200r" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable4 Message-ID: <3f8d193a$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  E Got the same problem and error explanation writing to Bob Koehler at n encompasserve.org :-(T   D.   Guy Peleg wrote:   > Still no good....! >  > D > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > # >       Subject: RE: Gov. of Israeln >       Sent: 14/10/2003 17:01 > 2 > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > * >       tom@kednos.com on 14/10/2003 17:01J >             The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but didH > not report a specific reason.  Check the address and try again.  If it1 > still fails, contact your system administrator.3@ >             < zdemail04.zdem.compaq.com #5.0.0 X-Postfix; hostL > mail.kednos.com[206.55.236.242] said: 554    5.7.1 Message rejected due to8 > header contents. (in reply to end of DATA    command)>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:16:18 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>y$ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable> Message-ID: <mUajb.108898$qj6.4857537@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Didier Morandi wrote:mG > Got the same problem and error explanation writing to Bob Koehler at n > encompasserve.org :-(l >   1 What I.P. address was the e-mail being sent from?l  K With out that I.P. address there is no way to resolve that type of problem.   L The exact error text is usually also needed to resolve this type of problem.  B Encompasserve does not to my knowlege use any content checking on  incoming e-mails.t  H There was a power failure yesterday, but that should have only produced E a temporarily unavailable message, unless you are sending through an 'F e-mail relay that is misconfigured to send a permanent error when the ; destination host is off line instead of a retry later code.O    H Encompasserve and most other mail servers will not accept e-mail from a - SMTP mail server operating on a DHCP address.c  G The number of mail servers that will accept e-mail from DHCP addresses i is rapidly shrinking.a  G Note that in the case of DHCP addresses, your network provider usually rE is the one that voluntarily put them in the DNS based blocking lists.m  
 See the URLs:   3      http://informatie.easynet.nl/error/errors.htmle  +      http://abuse.easynet.nl/spamstats.html   8 In general, most mail servers should reject e-mail from:   DHCP addresses.n Known Open Proxies.y Known Open Relays.F Domains that are directly supporting spammers, or totally ignore spam  reports.  I A growing number of mail servers are starting to reject e-mail from mail iG servers that do not have correct rDNS entries.  However many real mail p@ servers are misconfigured, so this will still block real e-mail.    H If you do this, it will stop most of the spam from getting through with ; out blocking any real e-mail, or trying to analyze content.   F The spammers can get around most content filters with ease, including E the bayesian ones.  The larger the amount of people sharing the same :J content filter rules, the easier it is for the spammer to get around them.      H If you are getting a significant amount of spam, it is likely that your I e-mail provider has an out of date list of DHCP addresses and may not be v blocking Open Proxies at all.t  F Some will claim that they can not block open proxies this for fear of  dropping a real e-mail.0  H But DHCP addresses and OpenRelays have always been blocked on the first - sight of spam from them by these same people."  H And an open relay is a real mail server, so rejecting e-mail from it is G already known to have a chance of blocking a real e-mail.  Yet this is t standard practice.  B Many of the DHCP lists have become out of date with the broadband H expansion, and it seems that many of the mail server operators have not 2 learned from the experience of their predecessors.  H An open proxy is not likely to be a real mail server, so blocking it is G not likely to cause a loss of real e-mail.  So anyone that is blocking  H open relays, has no excuse as to why they are not blocking open proxies.  F Look at the stats from easynet.nl as to where the spam is coming from.     -Johnl wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 07:46:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable3 Message-ID: <$EB95wVQPAh5@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  n In article <mUajb.108898$qj6.4857537@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > Didier Morandi wrote:aH >> Got the same problem and error explanation writing to Bob Koehler at  >> encompasserve.org :-( >> u > 3 > What I.P. address was the e-mail being sent from?t > M > With out that I.P. address there is no way to resolve that type of problem.D > N > The exact error text is usually also needed to resolve this type of problem. > D > Encompasserve does not to my knowlege use any content checking on  > incoming e-mails.i >   H    EISNER is not blocking them.  The filters are on my system after the J    email goes through my forward setting on EISNER.  I sucessfully filter I    lots of spam that comes at me that way and I accept the loss of a few  H    legitimate emails.   There are a couple of people on the VMS SIG listF    that I haven't been able to allow as exceptions to network filters.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:29:39 +0200t" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable4 Message-ID: <3f8d3db6$0$10430$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   John E. Malmberg wrote:-  3 > What I.P. address was the e-mail being sent from?    Mine: blagnac.dyndns.org  D > Encompasserve does not to my knowlege use any content checking on  > incoming e-mails. G > Encompasserve and most other mail servers will not accept e-mail from-1 > a SMTP mail server operating on a DHCP address.,  I His encompasserve address was forwarded to his (hidden) business one and p I do have a fixed IP address.-   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 07:40:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)I$ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable3 Message-ID: <SgRxEMcdnVp5@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  Y In article <3f8d193a$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: G > Got the same problem and error explanation writing to Bob Koehler at n > encompasserve.org :-(   H    Your email get's trapped in my filters quite often.  I keep trying toC    update them to let you through.  IIRC your ISP is on a network I-2    filter.  Maybe I'll get it right some day soon.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 08:57:36 -0600+ From: wb8tyw@qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)D$ Subject: Re: PLI land is unreachable3 Message-ID: <zmWyGxWdMEmj@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  4 In article <3f8d3db6$0$10430$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,&   Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: > John E. Malmberg wrote:  > 4 >> What I.P. address was the e-mail being sent from? >F > Mine: blagnac.dyndns.org >kD >> Encompasserve does not to my knowlege use any content checking on >> incoming e-mails.H >> Encompasserve and most other mail servers will not accept e-mail from2 >> a SMTP mail server operating on a DHCP address. >oJ > His encompasserve address was forwarded to his (hidden) business one and > I do have a fixed IP address.   $ $ tcpip show host blagnac.dyndns.org   Host address    Host name   " 193.253.42.28   BLAGNAC.DYNDNS.ORG  4 $ tcpip show host 28.41.253.193.dynablock.easynet.nl   Host address    Host nameF  2 127.0.0.2       28.41.253.193.DYNABLOCK.EASYNET.NL    8 http://informatie.easynet.nl/error/errors.html#dynablock  H Your ISP has apparently told easynet.nl and probably other networks thatE you have a DHCP address, and since that does not seem to be the case,/D you should contact your ISP to get the easynet.nl listing corrected.  G A lot of networks and spam filters use the easynet.nl listings to blockiH spam, and their "dynablock" listing is generaly provided by the ISPs whoM own the netblocks.  This means your provider likely is saying to block e-mail = from your I.P. address to any one that makes a query to them.s  K If the address was listed because of spam complaints in that range, insteadaH of from your own ISP saying it was a dynamic address, it would be in the "blackholes" listing.t  F Also note (as stated in the text at the URL section listed above) thatI unless your ISP has guaranteed in writing to you that you are exclusivelyxF allocated the I.P. address, it will still be considered a DHCP addressI by easynet.nl and other DNSBLs, and it will show up on the other DHCP/DUL I DNSbls at the first report of spam from any of the nearby I.P. addresses.O     -John1 wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion OnlyG   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 05:12:59 -07002 From: capitanmutanda@hotmail.com (Capitan Mutanda)Y Subject: Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases  positive re = Message-ID: <e5f9f063.0310150412.28ca599c@posting.google.com>S  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3F8CBBE6.719EC5E4@istop.com>...- > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > VMS needs exposure, yes! > > ) > > ...but this is not the way to get it!n > H > Especially since Morgan Stanley isn't exactly known for high ethics. IJ > personally don't trust what they say. One of the few companies to hire aH > private eye to change books  so that they could then have one employeeI > arrested and sent to prison on charges of falsifying records. (and this # > decision came from VERY high up).r > W > That employee was smarter and he hired his own private eye who uncovered the framing.i  K Interesting story! Care to put some poiters; could be some nice bed reading  alternative to Len Deighton ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 03:53:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)@U Subject: Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positivei3 Message-ID: <trjKpidYDPzh@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  [ In article <3F8CA1D4.801C4223@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:HE > Keith!!!  Keith!!! Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!5 > ) > I appreciate your enthusiasm immensely!s > E > However, unless you're "spamming" multiple newsgroups with this, it/* > really is a waste of time and bandwidth. >  > VMS needs exposure, yes! > ' > ...but this is not the way to get it!3   I disagree.p  G VMS fans need ammunition, and most of those posts I read from Keith areC: new enough that I have not read the information elsewhere.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:26:40 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>mU Subject: Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positivehI Message-ID: <AOcjb.202647$3r1.63007@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>.   Larry Kilgallen wrote:= > In article <3F8CA1D4.801C4223@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"i! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:-F >> Keith!!!  Keith!!! Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!! >>* >> I appreciate your enthusiasm immensely! >>F >> However, unless you're "spamming" multiple newsgroups with this, it+ >> really is a waste of time and bandwidth.N >> >> VMS needs exposure, yes!s >>( >> ...but this is not the way to get it! > 
 > I disagree.i >lE > VMS fans need ammunition, and most of those posts I read from Keitha > arer< > new enough that I have not read the information elsewhere.    K The fate of VMS and the fate of HP may not necessarily be one and the same.o  E Since the Morgan Stanley report does not explicitly mention VMS ( therE analyst probably does not even know what VMS is other than a 3 letter2I acronym for 'something') and that according to the header of Keith's postoG his announcement of the MS report was only posted in c.o.v., how's thats@ 'getting the word out' to anyone other than committed VMS users?  L But hey Keith, I feel much more comfortable now knowing that carly(tm) won'tK have to worry about paying for the fine 'Corinthian leather' upgrade on the 5 new Gulfstream-G IV.  Nothing's too good for our gal.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2003 12:21:54 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)Y Subject: Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive  re.9 Message-ID: <bmje52$mprr5$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>p  ' In article <3F8CA1D4.801C4223@fsi.net>,g4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:E > Keith!!!  Keith!!! Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!  Keith!!!m > ) > I appreciate your enthusiasm immensely!  > E > However, unless you're "spamming" multiple newsgroups with this, ito* > really is a waste of time and bandwidth. >  > VMS needs exposure, yes! > ' > ...but this is not the way to get it!l >    Dave! Dave! Dave!u9    What did that have to do with VMS in the first place? i  C    "Consumer products".  That's cameras and printers.  That articlet( provides absolutely no exposure for VMS.   bill   -- uJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 05:46:01 -0700- From: david.gabele@swagelok.com (Dave Gabele)k5 Subject: Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Address(= Message-ID: <bd0f1e10.0310150446.27799504@posting.google.com>h  ^ John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1031014151723.36338B-100000@Ives.egh.com>...$ > On 14 Oct 2003, Dave Gabele wrote: > H > > For a given TNA device, how can I get its remote address informationG > > via a program or command procedure (without allocating the device)?e > > G > > I can see the information on the screen via TELNET and SHOW DEVICE,iI > > however I have not been able to figure out a way to do this through aa > > command procedure. > >  > > TELNET> sho dev tna300:e. > > TNA300:           Outgoing  Local:  (none)@ > >                             Remote: isds01.swagelok.com:2012 > > G > > I have also tried programmatically to do this through a QIO(W) withnH > > TN$_REMOTE_ADDRESS in the itemlist, however a QIO requires a channelH > > and using sys$assign to get the channel allocates the device.  In myI > > case a device may be allocated by another process.  How can I get the G > > equivalent information (like telnet does) through a program without-F > > allocating the device -- I just want to query it in a sense like a > > SYS$GETDVI.o > >  > > Any ideas? > >  > > Thanks,: > >  > > Dave > 5 > $ write sys$output f$getdvi("nta1:","tt_accpornam")g > E > Note: the names (NTAxx: vs. TNAxx:) and format of the output dependLG > on the IP stack.  I think the format has also changed over the years.1    B The use of "TT_ACCPORNAM" does not work all of the time.  It worksA only some of the time -- like when the device is connected.  I amaE looking for a consistent way to get the remote address.  Telnet knowsw< how to get it, so it must be possible -- somehow... (without allocating the device)...e   Thanks,o   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:32:15 GMTn; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>'5 Subject: Re: Querying a TNA Device for Remote Addressb> Message-ID: <jEejb.109012$qj6.4920017@news1.news.adelphia.net>  : "Dave Gabele" <david.gabele@swagelok.com> wrote in message7 news:bd0f1e10.0310150446.27799504@posting.google.com...s- > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message72 news:<1031014151723.36338B-100000@Ives.egh.com>...& > > On 14 Oct 2003, Dave Gabele wrote: > >lJ > > > For a given TNA device, how can I get its remote address informationI > > > via a program or command procedure (without allocating the device)?e > > >eI > > > I can see the information on the screen via TELNET and SHOW DEVICE, K > > > however I have not been able to figure out a way to do this through a  > > > command procedure. > > >h > > > TELNET> sho dev tna300:t0 > > > TNA300:           Outgoing  Local:  (none)B > > >                             Remote: isds01.swagelok.com:2012 > > >-I > > > I have also tried programmatically to do this through a QIO(W) withpJ > > > TN$_REMOTE_ADDRESS in the itemlist, however a QIO requires a channelJ > > > and using sys$assign to get the channel allocates the device.  In myK > > > case a device may be allocated by another process.  How can I get thebI > > > equivalent information (like telnet does) through a program without H > > > allocating the device -- I just want to query it in a sense like a > > > SYS$GETDVI.  > > >b > > > Any ideas? > > >w
 > > > Thanks,o > > >a
 > > > Dave > >a7 > > $ write sys$output f$getdvi("nta1:","tt_accpornam")t > >nG > > Note: the names (NTAxx: vs. TNAxx:) and format of the output depend I > > on the IP stack.  I think the format has also changed over the years.8 >  >0D > The use of "TT_ACCPORNAM" does not work all of the time.  It worksC > only some of the time -- like when the device is connected.  I amuG > looking for a consistent way to get the remote address.  Telnet knows > > how to get it, so it must be possible -- somehow... (without > allocating the device)...u > 	 > Thanks,  >u > Dave  E Ugh.  It's my secret QIO that uses an extra parameter for wildcardingp through the TN devices.cA It actually returns the information for devices without doing theV assignment.    HOW TO DO IT ~~~~~~~~~~~~  J Supply a P6 parameter which is the unit number that you are interested in.  L If you set the %X10000000 bit, it will return the information for either the matching device OR theK first TN unit after that.  Include the unit number TN parameter in the itemr list to tell what the deviceJ unit number is.  In a loop, be sure to take that output unit number, OR in the %X10000000 and doa= it again.  It will eventually fail when it runs out of units.l  J If you have any problems, send me email ... john at o_s_s_c dot [net]work.   -Johnw   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:55:12 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e0 Subject: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?' Message-ID: <3F8D7BF0.1B08FF61@aaa.com>t   Hi.t? Is it possible to see the settings of a EW interface from VMS ? 0 Half/full duplex and the speed 10/100 (or auto)." Without shutting down the system ?  ; DS10/466 with builtin Ethernet interface running VMS 7.3-1.i  	 Jan-Erik.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:17:32 +0200e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media4 Message-ID: <3f8d2ccf$0$10411$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:n  D > I have on occasion benefitted from others who allowed me access toG > some condist kits. Not everyone can borrow condist from work to bringb, > home to load stuff on their home machines.  H "condist"? is that a new HP naming? I suppose you are talking about the  SW distribution kits CDs?w  B > Putting all of condist on one system would put too big a load onE > bandwidth limits for a single volunteer. However, I suspect many of F > us have some spare bandwidth and between all of us, wouldn't that be5 > sufficicent to be able to provide condist on-line ?t  I A solution that I use personally for my own remote needs is to leave the 'D "condist" CD I know I will need in a CD-ROM drive, then use an HTML   interface to get what I need to.  G Maybe we could try to spread the whole "condist" CDs among the OpenVMS   Ring and use that method?e  G > Would Digital/HP have reservations about this ? If we were to require E > that one enter his decus number or even pak authorization number inm3 > order to access a kit, would that be acceptable ?g  ) I suppose Montagar could answer that one.pC I support the idea. Since two years (2) I never succeeded to get a  F single piece of software from Montagar with my (supposed to be) valid  DECUS nr :-(2 Fortunately, I only use my FORTRAN 77 compiler :-)   D.5 -----------------------------------------------------P5 Support the OpenVMS promotion, add an ad on your sitet&              http://blagnac.dyndns.org6 ------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:57:47 -0500.( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media/ Message-ID: <00A27682.DE6D8547.3@tachysoft.com>8  K >Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (198.151.12.104) by moe.tachysoft.com (MX V5.3b5 >          AnHm) with SMTP for <wayne@tachysoft.com>; * >          Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:45:24 -0500& >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:17:32 +0200# >From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>r$ >Organization: www.didiermorandi.comD >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4)- >            Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)V! >X-Accept-Language: fr, en-us, enI >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms3 >Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist mediaD+ >In-Reply-To: <3F8CD81D.BD45D7BF@istop.com> : >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 >Lines: 375 >Message-ID: <3f8d2ccf$0$10411$626a54ce@news.free.fr>S- >NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 2003 13:17:36 MESTE> >X-Trace: 1066216656 news1-1.free.fr 10411 193.253.42.28:33095" >X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net' >Reply-To: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>R >X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.comI >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET >  >JF Mezei wrote: >SE >> I have on occasion benefitted from others who allowed me access toDH >> some condist kits. Not everyone can borrow condist from work to bring- >> home to load stuff on their home machines.I >EI >"condist"? is that a new HP naming? I suppose you are talking about the R >SW distribution kits CDs? >I   consolidated distributionS  N No, it's not new.  This term for the package of cds containing all the layeredJ products goes back many, many years, back to the digital days and earlier.   WayneSO ===============================================================================IN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   SO ===============================================================================IH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:24:17 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>I Subject: SIMH (was: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks)I4 Message-ID: <3f8d1245$0$10430$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Wilm Boerhout wrote:  K > simh is perfectly suitable for the hobbyist and educational environment. R1 > I bet it can win over some new VMS enthusiasts.V  G I just installed the Ethernet version and the non-Ethernet one (on XP).   : The Ethernet version failed with a "packet.dll not found".< The other one failed with a "HALT instruction PC: 00000001".  I The only comparison I can do so far with a VAX running VMS is the number D of digits in the PC value.   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:27:13 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>M Subject: Re: SIMH (was: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks) 0 Message-ID: <3F8D49D9.EC2A8CDE@blueyonder.co.uk>   Didier Morandi wrote:I >  > Wilm Boerhout wrote: > L > > simh is perfectly suitable for the hobbyist and educational environment.3 > > I bet it can win over some new VMS enthusiasts.R > I > I just installed the Ethernet version and the non-Ethernet one (on XP).V > < > The Ethernet version failed with a "packet.dll not found".> > The other one failed with a "HALT instruction PC: 00000001". > J > The only comparison I can do so far with a VAX running VMS is the number > of digits in the PC value. >  > D.     Didier,E  G Did you build it yourself on your machine or use a precompiled version?R  O I went thru setting up Mingw and compiling on my w98se box earlier in the year,R its not that difficult.E   regards,   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:59:35 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>> Subject: Stats for the VAX/VMS to Itanium migration newsletter4 Message-ID: <3f8d52ca$0$10421$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  F Since the url of the VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Newsletter has been H posted in here last Friday the 10-OCT-2003, we got 2975 accesses to our H site (all pages summarized) and 55 successful downloads of the document.  F Btw, there is a ratio of 10% success for the downloads. I have 90% of C status 206. I suppose it is a broken link, a timeout or something? T/ (which means there were more than 500 attemps).V  B I may consider to have some overseas FTP depositories. Volunteers?   D.  D DTL02> sea all_stats.txt "GET /vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf HTTP/1.0""  200"/log/nooutD %SEARCH-S-MATCHED, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.STATS]ALL_STATS.TXT;1 - 2975  records, 55 matchesR   D. --  - Didier Morandi sarl au capital de 8 000 eurosI+       Business Partner ~ Revendeur agr HPD.   5 avenue Albert Durand, 31700 Blagnac France.   Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287  Fax: 33(0)5 6171 3500&           http://www.didiermorandi.com$             RCS Toulouse 448 694 851   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2003 06:38:36 GMT. From: anders@alfons.lib.kth.se (Anders Olsson) Subject: strange eventsT& Message-ID: <bmiq1c$kmo$1@news.kth.se>   Hello!  L At our library we have an old Alphaserver 2100. It used to hold our library Q system but nowadays it mostly serves webpages and act as our mailserver. It's as AP old as from 1995. It has been working fine but yesterday it started shouting the@ following, and it did so to the extent that nothing else worked.      8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-OCT-2003 15:23:05.00  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on KTHBIBM Event: Excessive Collision from: Node LOCAL:.KTHBIB CSMA-CD Station CSMACD-0, -         at: 2003-10-14-15:23:05.007+02:00IinfI7         eventUid   4E9BDA09-FE5A-11D7-A9BB-4B5448424942S7         entityUid  69865200-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033EDE7         streamUid  8540C160-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033ED]  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-OCT-2003 15:23:05.41  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on KTHBIBO Event: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU from: Node LOCAL:.KTHBIB CSMA-CDA Station CSMACD-0, -         at: 2003-10-14-15:23:05.415+02:00IinfI8         Data Link Header='AA00040033ED0030962977080800'H7         eventUid   4EDA2273-FE5A-11D7-A9BB-4B5448424942E7         entityUid  69865200-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033ED 7         streamUid  8540C160-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033ED   N I don't know what this means, but I  had to shutdown/restart. It occured againD and again. I looks like something weird is happening on the network.) Can anybody give me a clue to what to do. + This concerns a machine with Open VMS 7.1. T   Thanks for any helpE
 Anders Olsson    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:56:46 +0100S* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: strange events-' Message-ID: <bmir0v$nsq$1@lore.csc.com>    Anders Olsson wrote: >   M > At our library we have an old Alphaserver 2100. It used to hold our library3R > system but nowadays it mostly serves webpages and act as our mailserver. It's asR > old as from 1995. It has been working fine but yesterday it started shouting theB > following, and it did so to the extent that nothing else worked. > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-OCT-2003 15:23:05.00  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on KTHBIBO > Event: Excessive Collision from: Node LOCAL:.KTHBIB CSMA-CD Station CSMACD-0,o/ >         at: 2003-10-14-15:23:05.007+02:00Iinfd9 >         eventUid   4E9BDA09-FE5A-11D7-A9BB-4B544842494259 >         entityUid  69865200-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033ED-9 >         streamUid  8540C160-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033EDn >  ...E  E I'm not a DECnet guru, but to start to answer your question, it looks @ like something nasty on your network. The VMS box is effectivelyD reporting it for you. Broadcast storm, DOS attack on another system,' faulty network application or hardware?   G From the point of view of the VMS box there's most likely nothing wrongyF with it. Just keep feeding and watering (backing up and general system manager maintenance).4   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 07:55:31 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)4 Subject: Re: strange events 3 Message-ID: <7xAQvNN9e1Wq@eisner.encompasserve.org>?  W In article <bmiq1c$kmo$1@news.kth.se>, anders@alfons.lib.kth.se (Anders Olsson) writes:   : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-OCT-2003 15:23:05.00  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on KTHBIBO > Event: Excessive Collision from: Node LOCAL:.KTHBIB CSMA-CD Station CSMACD-0,     A    OK, so you're running DECnet Phase V and getting reports using     ISO/OSI nomenclature.  D    CSMACD-0 is your first (and probably only) ethernet controller onD    KTHBIB.  Excessive collisions are just that, and a good indicatorD    that your network is overloaded or some component on your networkH    had failed.  Rebooting your VMS system won't fix the network problem.  E    You can actually set DECnet not to report this, but the problem isbG    real.  If you plug in a network analyser you can probably track down C    the source.  If you don't have a network analyer you may be ablehF    to use your VMS system as one; there good analyers that run on VMS,%    there may be one in your IP stack.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:01:02 +0200e- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>e% Subject: Re: TCPIP> set name/nodomain-8 Message-ID: <bmjctv$nelfg$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Didier Morandi wrote:o( > Small question for TCP/IP specialists: >  > TCPIP> sh name >  > BIND Resolver Parameters >  >   Local domain: dtlm > 
 >   System >   >    State:     Started, Enabled >  >    Transport: UDPd >    Domain:    NERIM.NET  >    Retry:     4t >    Timeout:   4t# >    Servers:    WANADNS1, WANADNS2 " >    Path:       No values defined >  >   Processr >  >    State:     Enabled- >  >    Transport:  >    Domain: >    Retry::
 >    Timeout:r
 >    Servers:"
 >    Path: > TCPIP> set name/nodomain; > %TCPIP-E-NAMEERROR, error processing name service requestA9 > -TCPIP-E-INVQUAL, invalid qualifier value for /NODOMAINt+ > -SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name matchn$ > TCPIP> set name/nodomain=NERIM.NET? > %CLI-W-NOVALU, value not allowed - remove value specification  >   \NODOMAIN=\s > TCPIP> >  > ?????????u  < Judging from the manual: You can't use SET NAME /NODOAMIN to" delete the systemwide domain name.   Perhaps like    TCPIP> SET CONFIG NAME /NODOMAIN TCPIP> SET NAME /INIT   
 Just a guess.v   cu,    Martin -- GF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de:F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:38:56 +0200?" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>! Subject: TCPIP> set name/nodomaint4 Message-ID: <3f8d31d4$0$10423$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  & Small question for TCP/IP specialists:   TCPIP> sh name   BIND Resolver Parameters     Local domain: dtl      System      State:     Started, Enabled      Transport: UDP     Domain:    NERIM.NETe    Retry:     42    Timeout:   4u!    Servers:    WANADNS1, WANADNS2.     Path:       No values defined  	   Processg      State:     Enabled0  
    Transport:b
    Domain:	    Retry::    Timeout:     Servers:-    Path: TCPIP> set name/nodomain9 %TCPIP-E-NAMEERROR, error processing name service requestl7 -TCPIP-E-INVQUAL, invalid qualifier value for /NODOMAIND) -SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match " TCPIP> set name/nodomain=NERIM.NET= %CLI-W-NOVALU, value not allowed - remove value specification 
   \NODOMAIN=\e TCPIP>  	 ?????????o    9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3             Platform    Installedp9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Installeds9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3                 Oper System Installed.< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:35:25 +0200a" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>% Subject: Re: TCPIP> set name/nodomaine4 Message-ID: <3f8d3f10$0$10432$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:    > > Judging from the manual: You can't use SET NAME /NODOAMIN to$ > delete the systemwide domain name. >  > Perhaps like > " > TCPIP> SET CONFIG NAME /NODOMAIN > TCPIP> SET NAME /INIT/  H Yeah. Fixed. RTFM problem. I had to disable, then set name/sys/nodomain = then set name/sys/domain=blah (Hi Paul :-) then enable, then l stop/restart TCP/IP.   Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:38:07 +0200n" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>P Subject: Toulouse-Blagnac airport is black listed (was: PLI land is unreachable)4 Message-ID: <3f8d69e3$0$10439$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  G Man, I read the whole so pitch dark page that I have nearly been eaten T) by a lurking grue and understood nothing!-  K Here is the WHOIS reverse engineering IP data (it's not 41.28, it's 42.28):q  
 193.253.42.28j   Record Type: 	IP AddressA IP Location: 	France - Midi-pyrenees - Toulouse - Ip2000-adsl-bas>5 Reverse IP: 	No websites hosted using this IP addresse  % This is the RIPE Whois server.! % The objects are in RPSL format.l % ! % Rights restricted by copyright.l@ % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html  + inetnum:      193.253.42.0 - 193.253.42.255r netname:      IP2000-ADSL-BAS , descr:        France Telecom IP2000 ADSL BAS% descr:        BSTOU202 Toulouse Bloc2t country:      FR admin-c:      WITR1-RIPE tech-c:       WITR1-RIPE status:       ASSIGNED PA E remarks:      for hacking, spamming or security problems send mail ton8 remarks:      postmaster@wanadoo.fr AND abuse@wanadoo.fr mnt-by:       FT-BRX5 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.com 20010409 5 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.com 20010522v5 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.com 20030318e source:       RIPE   route:        193.253.0.0/16 descr:        France Telecom origin:       AS3215 mnt-by:       FT-BRX4 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.fr 20001018 source:       RIPE  0 role:         Wanadoo Interactive Technical Role! address:      WANADOO INTERACTIVER' address:      48 rue Camille Desmoulins// address:      92791 ISSY LES MOULINEAUX CEDEX 9l address:      FR phone:        +33 1 58 88 50 00h e-mail:       abuse@wanadoo.fr+ e-mail:       technical.contact@wanadoo.comn admin-c:      WITR1-RIPE tech-c:       WITR1-RIPE nic-hdl:      WITR1-RIPE mnt-by:       FT-BRX5 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.com 20010504l5 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.com 20010912r5 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.com 20011204e5 changed:      gestionip.ft@francetelecom.com 20030428  source:       RIPE       answer section name 	type 	result 28.42.253.193.IN-ADDR.ARPA.l 	PTR. 	AToulouse-105-1-2-28.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr. authority sectione name 	type 	result 42.253.193.IN-ADDR.ARPA. 	NS. 	ns.wanadoo.fr.a 42.253.193.IN-ADDR.ARPA. 	NSe 	ns2.wanadoo.fr. additional section name 	type 	result ns2.wanadoo.fr.e 	A 	11.19.252.193.IN-ADDR.ARPA. ns.wanadoo.fr. 	A 	10.19.252.193.IN-ADDR.ARPA.   John E. Malmberg wrote:o  6 > In article <3f8d3db6$0$10430$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,( >   Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: >  >>John E. Malmberg wrote:i >> >>4 >>>What I.P. address was the e-mail being sent from? >> >>Mine: blagnac.dyndns.org >> >>D >>>Encompasserve does not to my knowlege use any content checking on >>>incoming e-mails.H >>>Encompasserve and most other mail servers will not accept e-mail from2 >>>a SMTP mail server operating on a DHCP address. >>J >>His encompasserve address was forwarded to his (hidden) business one and >>I do have a fixed IP address.m >  > & > $ tcpip show host blagnac.dyndns.org >  > Host address    Host namef > $ > 193.253.42.28   BLAGNAC.DYNDNS.ORG > 6 > $ tcpip show host 28.41.253.193.dynablock.easynet.nl >  > Host address    Host namem > 4 > 127.0.0.2       28.41.253.193.DYNABLOCK.EASYNET.NL >  > : > http://informatie.easynet.nl/error/errors.html#dynablock > J > Your ISP has apparently told easynet.nl and probably other networks thatG > you have a DHCP address, and since that does not seem to be the case,eF > you should contact your ISP to get the easynet.nl listing corrected. > I > A lot of networks and spam filters use the easynet.nl listings to blockPJ > spam, and their "dynablock" listing is generaly provided by the ISPs whoO > own the netblocks.  This means your provider likely is saying to block e-mailr? > from your I.P. address to any one that makes a query to them.n > M > If the address was listed because of spam complaints in that range, insteadhJ > of from your own ISP saying it was a dynamic address, it would be in the > "blackholes" listing.p > H > Also note (as stated in the text at the URL section listed above) thatK > unless your ISP has guaranteed in writing to you that you are exclusivelyhH > allocated the I.P. address, it will still be considered a DHCP addressK > by easynet.nl and other DNSBLs, and it will show up on the other DHCP/DULiK > DNSbls at the first report of spam from any of the nearby I.P. addresses.a >  >  > -Johne > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only    -- o;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Newsl>         http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf  F Didier Morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation D    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 03:50:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?i3 Message-ID: <sxCLhBFeLew9@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  f In article <QZ%ib.559736$Oz4.512921@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:  Q > Quick scan of the manual shows a way to stop it.  It gets started by default at2F > boot time, unless you uncomment the following logicals, and set them# > explicitly (from SYLOGICALS.COM):r  D But make sure you use the documentation for your own version of VMS,C since this area can change from time to time.  There are also itemsmD in the logic which will prevent avoiding startup, in particular when= ACME_SERVER is required by some other facility you are using.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:14:38 GMTt4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? / Message-ID: <i69jb.776567$Ho3.206698@sccrnsc03>   c In article <sxCLhBFeLew9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: g !In article <QZ%ib.559736$Oz4.512921@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:5 !@R !> Quick scan of the manual shows a way to stop it.  It gets started by default atG !> boot time, unless you uncomment the following logicals, and set themg$ !> explicitly (from SYLOGICALS.COM): ! E !But make sure you use the documentation for your own version of VMS,>D !since this area can change from time to time.  There are also itemsE !in the logic which will prevent avoiding startup, in particular whens> !ACME_SERVER is required by some other facility you are using.  J I think I'm safe on my Hobby system, since I'll never run Advanced Server;K but you are correct - I'll have to remember that those logicals are set, inh- case I need to use ACME_SERVER in the future.a  L Hopefully not too OT - I wonder if this information is helpful to the folks F who have been asking about running VMS in a "memory-poor" environment?  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"cK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 05:55:39 -0700. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?m= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0310150455.115ac0b3@posting.google.com>h  _ Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message news:<00A27600.7064CB55.3@tachysoft.com>...oM > >Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (198.151.12.104) by moe.tachysoft.com (MX V5.3g7 > >          AnHm) with SMTP for <wayne@tachysoft.com>; , > >          Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:21 -0500 > >From: norm.raphael@metso.comr > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > >Subject: What is ACME_SERVER?T > >Message-ID: <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>( > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:36:43 -04000 > >Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway& > >X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List > >Lines: 18- > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciit > >MIME-Version: 1.0# > >Reply-To: norm.raphael@metso.comi > >X-Gateway-From: mvb.saic.comi > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >n > >nH > >I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell me > >it's purpose. > >FJ > >I note that this display shows an "M" at the far right one space to theJ > >left of the more usual "S" for Subprocess and "B" for Batch and "N" for > >network.b > >i > >-Norm > >y > >$ show system/proc=acme*yN > >OpenVMS V7.3-1  on node NODEA  14-OCT-2003 17:27:59.17  Uptime  89 11:31:00I > >  Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page fltsc > >PagesI > >21400214 ACME_SERVER     HIB     11      105   0 00:00:00.87       375  > >422 M > >a >  > N > It maintains the transaction database for Acme Corporation, which has one ofM > the world's largest distributed databases, found on vms systems world wide.e > 6 > $ sear   sys$specific:[acme]acme_trans.data   coyote& > Wile E. Coyote      Rocket Sled     ' > Wile E. Coyote      Roadrunner Masher $ > Wile E. Coyote      Toxic Birdseed. > Wile E. Coyote      Jet-Propelled Pogo Stick* > Wile E. Coyote      Flightless Bird Bomb% > Wile E. Coyote      Giant Slingshoti. > Wile E. Coyote      Supersonic Roller Skates >  > Q > ===============================================================================tP > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com= > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   ,Q > ===============================================================================fJ > Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."3 >    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"e  0 You must have looked up ACME in the Jargon File:   Acme n.   C [from Greek `akme', highest point of perfection or achievement] The-E canonical supplier of bizarre, elaborate, and non-functional gadgetry = - where Rube Goldberg and Heath Robinson (two cartoonists whow> specialized in elaborate contraptions) shop. The name has beenE humorously expanded as A (or American) Company Making Everything. (IniC fact, Acme was a real brand sold from Sears Roebuck catalogs in theaD early 1900s.) Describing some X as an "Acme X" either means "This isF insanely great", or, more likely, "This looks insanely great on paper,C but in practice it's really easy to shoot yourself in the foot withi it." Compare pistol.  E This term, specially cherished by American hackers and explained herep? for the benefit of our overseas brethren, comes from the Warner A Brothers' series of "Roadrunner" cartoons. In these cartoons, thetF famished Wile E. Coyote was forever attempting to catch up with, trap,A and eat the Roadrunner. His attempts usually involved one or morenC high-technology Rube Goldberg devices - rocket jetpacks, catapults,o@ magnetic traps, high-powered slingshots, etc. These were usuallyB delivered in large wooden crates labeled prominently with the AcmeD name - which, probably not by coincidence, was the trade name of the@ animation rotation board used by cartoonists since forever. Acme@ devices invariably malfunctioned in improbable and violent ways.   :^)I   WWWebb (beepbeep)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:50:46 -0500f( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? 0 Message-ID: <00A27681.E3351D11.25@tachysoft.com>   >> a7 >> $ sear   sys$specific:[acme]acme_trans.data   coyotel' >> Wile E. Coyote      Rocket Sled     h( >> Wile E. Coyote      Roadrunner Masher% >> Wile E. Coyote      Toxic Birdseed5/ >> Wile E. Coyote      Jet-Propelled Pogo Stickt+ >> Wile E. Coyote      Flightless Bird Bomb.& >> Wile E. Coyote      Giant Slingshot/ >> Wile E. Coyote      Supersonic Roller Skatesh >> K >h1 >You must have looked up ACME in the Jargon File:i >n    B >Brothers' series of "Roadrunner" cartoons. In these cartoons, theG >famished Wile E. Coyote was forever attempting to catch up with, trap,xB >and eat the Roadrunner. His attempts usually involved one or moreD >high-technology Rube Goldberg devices - rocket jetpacks, catapults,A >magnetic traps, high-powered slingshots, etc. These were usuallyaC >delivered in large wooden crates labeled prominently with the Acme  >name     O Naw, didn't read that, though I can see where one would think I did, given thateL their list of acme products is similar to mine.  But that's the kind of shitJ our boy Wile E. was always buying.  He was the best customer they had.  OfI course, also the dumbest.  The stuff never worked, but he kept making new. orders.a  M Vaxman pointed out that I forgot to mention the Instant Earthquake Pills, one  of Acme's finest products.   Wayne9O ===============================================================================1N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   eO ===============================================================================vH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"i   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:53:25 +0000 (UTC)h= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) ! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?o. Message-ID: <bmjjgl$1bfq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>  n In article <d5ce4b06.0310150455.115ac0b3@posting.google.com>, al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb) writes:F >This term, specially cherished by American hackers and explained here@ >for the benefit of our overseas brethren, comes from the WarnerB >Brothers' series of "Roadrunner" cartoons. In these cartoons, theG >famished Wile E. Coyote was forever attempting to catch up with, trap,sB >and eat the Roadrunner. His attempts usually involved one or moreD >high-technology Rube Goldberg devices - rocket jetpacks, catapults,A >magnetic traps, high-powered slingshots, etc. These were usuallysC >delivered in large wooden crates labeled prominently with the AcmenE >name - which, probably not by coincidence, was the trade name of theOA >animation rotation board used by cartoonists since forever. AcmemA >devices invariably malfunctioned in improbable and violent ways.s >t >:^) >e >WWWebb (beepbeep)  < 	Nobody remembers the ACME market chain of supermarkets that: 	were widespread in the middle east coast (NJ, PA, NY, MD)8 	and possibly wider in the late 1960's and early 1970's?  ; 	Back then my folks useta pack up the yungun's every Fridayo= 	night and we'd go groshery shoppin'.  We'd take the 30+ mile = 	drive to town (we wuz hill people, afta all) and take dinnerp; 	(burger,fries & shake) at the snack bar of the Rexall drugn? 	store next door to the Acme market.  Then we'd do the shoppin.s 	What a night on the town!  > 	Seriously, by the time I was a HS senior, we were still doingD 	this (1971-1972), although while mom & dad were doing the shopping,D 	I was visiting my former 9th grade English teacher and then-current? 	Yearbook Advisor to get her to sign off on all the pages being # 	sent that week to the publisher...o  B 	So Warner Bros is not the only nostalgia evoked by the term ACME.  P +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+B | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")		InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu < | Systems Design Specialist - Lead	AT&T:      (814) 865-18189 | Digital Library Technologies		FAX:       (814) 863-3560g2 | 3 Paterno Library				"I'd rather be dancing..." B | Penn State University		    A host is a host from coast to coast,K | University Park, PA 16802	    And no one will talk to a host that's closeyC | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>	    Unless the host that isn't close : | EMail Professional since 1978	    Is busy, hung or dead.P +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999]a3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> --	/"\ 	\ /	ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN 	 X	AGAINST HTML MAIL  	/ \   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2003 15:17:00 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?r9 Message-ID: <bmjodc$mfvtj$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>e  . In article <bmjjgl$1bfq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,@ 	jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes: >  > 	Nobody remembers   G I do, competing around here with A&P (The remnant of the Great Atlantic  and Pacific Tea Co.)  D >                         the ACME market chain of supermarkets that< > 	were widespread in the middle east coast (NJ, PA, NY, MD): > 	and possibly wider in the late 1960's and early 1970's?  E I saw them as far south as Georgia in the early 70's although by thenuJ they were usually closed or being used for something else and recognizable only by their design.s   > = > 	Back then my folks useta pack up the yungun's every Fridaye? > 	night and we'd go groshery shoppin'.  We'd take the 30+ miles? > 	drive to town (we wuz hill people, afta all) and take dinnera= > 	(burger,fries & shake) at the snack bar of the Rexall drugl  D Remember them too.  Ate most of my evening meals in one of them when4 I was "rooming" on Mass. Ave. in DC back n the 60's.  A > 	store next door to the Acme market.  Then we'd do the shoppin.? > 	What a night on the town! > @ > 	Seriously, by the time I was a HS senior, we were still doingF > 	this (1971-1972), although while mom & dad were doing the shopping,F > 	I was visiting my former 9th grade English teacher and then-currentA > 	Yearbook Advisor to get her to sign off on all the pages beingn% > 	sent that week to the publisher...- > D > 	So Warner Bros is not the only nostalgia evoked by the term ACME.  
 So true......i   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 11:47:50 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?b3 Message-ID: <GEQCnQ$R0dMI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <bmjjgl$1bfq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>, jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes:  > > 	Nobody remembers the ACME market chain of supermarkets that< > 	were widespread in the middle east coast (NJ, PA, NY, MD): > 	and possibly wider in the late 1960's and early 1970's?  H Nobody remembers "Mr. Acme" from the spoof evening soap called something like "Fresno" or "Raisins" ?   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 11:44:41 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?h3 Message-ID: <1cXbZGgu+iFx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <i69jb.776567$Ho3.206698@sccrnsc03>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:  N > Hopefully not too OT - I wonder if this information is helpful to the folks H > who have been asking about running VMS in a "memory-poor" environment?  H I have heard no indication that ACME_SERVER runs with swapping disabled,= so if it is never used there should be minimal memory impact.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:00:06 +0200a2 From: "Robert Boers" <robert.boers@softresint.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks-6 Message-ID: <3f8cfe8a$0$3655$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch>  J CHARON-VAX does not have its own disk drivers, nor uses Windows drivers inJ this case (it would use Windows drivers if it uses emulated disk containerK files). It maps hardware. In this case the VAX/VMS drivers directly talk toXE the SCSI hardware, the only role of CHARON-VAX being the SCSI address L translation from the emulated SCSI ID for the VAX to the physical SCSI ID of the actual SCSI drive.  K Apart from simplicity, this has a number of advantages, like the ability todK use SCSI LUN addressing (that the hardware 3100-98 did not support), and we7F are running a 112 SCSI drive VAX 3100-98 emulator as a test. Also, theJ VAX/VMS drivers work well with modern SCSI drives, and the actual disk I/OJ speed with 160 MHz SCSI-3 drives is about 10 times of what the VAX 3100-98H hardware gives with its SCSI disks (we measured up to 50 MB/sec with the
 emulator).  B When we designed direct SCSI disk cluster capability, removing anyH possibility for concurrent R/W errors was of course our primary concern.J This implied that we quickly ruled out the use of shared disk images whichK would require the use of Windows drivers, as even after turning off WindowsX  disk caching some delay remains.  F The cluster product tests involved both running days of concurrent R/WJ tests, and the orginal VAX architecture tests (AXE) to verify that all wasL well. The critical element turned out to be the multiport SCSI controller inL the storage bay. There are two types of controllers, the ones which act moreL like a switch and the ones which do not tamper with the sequence of incomingH SCSI commands. Unfortunately, the concept of 'Windows clustering' (whichF never permits concurrent disk access) confuses many engineers when youJ discuss this feature, and a lot of multiport SCSI hardware simply does notJ work they way we need it. Equipment from vendors that know about real SCSIL sharing, like the Compaq/HP storageworks bays, is OK. We worked for our testH systems with Storcase, and after a few tries they got the right hardwareK combaination. As even for them it was not evident, they will issue a singlerD partnumber for the right combination to avoid problems in the field.   Regards, Robert Boers.  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messageo& news:3F8CAD52.1080202@tsoft-inc.com...   [...]l  0 > Ok, now you're introducing potential problems. >0G > Does Charon VAX have it's own disk drivers, or do is work through the  windozI > SCSI drivers?  If it's the latter, then what about cached data?  How doo youw4 > force a write by the VAX to really be on the disk?   [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:56:00 -0400t( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI diskso, Message-ID: <3F8D6E10.5080902@tsoft-inc.com>   Robert Boers wrote:a  7 Thank you for that reply.  It helps with some concerns.1  L > CHARON-VAX does not have its own disk drivers, nor uses Windows drivers inL > this case (it would use Windows drivers if it uses emulated disk containerM > files). It maps hardware. In this case the VAX/VMS drivers directly talk to G > the SCSI hardware, the only role of CHARON-VAX being the SCSI addressyN > translation from the emulated SCSI ID for the VAX to the physical SCSI ID of > the actual SCSI drive.    L So you're saying that the VMS code is talking (almost) directly to the SCSI  controller.     M > Apart from simplicity, this has a number of advantages, like the ability to M > use SCSI LUN addressing (that the hardware 3100-98 did not support), and we H > are running a 112 SCSI drive VAX 3100-98 emulator as a test. Also, theL > VAX/VMS drivers work well with modern SCSI drives, and the actual disk I/OL > speed with 160 MHz SCSI-3 drives is about 10 times of what the VAX 3100-98J > hardware gives with its SCSI disks (we measured up to 50 MB/sec with the > emulator).    N When I read/hear such numbers, the first question I ask is about usage in the O type of environments I usually work.  Random disk accesses for small pieces of gN data, many times a single 512 byte block.  I can believe that the newer disks M are faster, but it's head movement more than transfer speed that limits such -5 activity.  Do you have any numbers for such activity?m    D > When we designed direct SCSI disk cluster capability, removing anyJ > possibility for concurrent R/W errors was of course our primary concern.    @ Now that, even with your wording, is a vast understatement!  :-)  L > This implied that we quickly ruled out the use of shared disk images whichM > would require the use of Windows drivers, as even after turning off Windowsp" > disk caching some delay remains.    M As I would expect.  The CPU is much faster than any disk.  The dropping of a eP lock would have to be dependant upon confirmation that the data is on the disk, % not just queued up for write to disk.A    H > The cluster product tests involved both running days of concurrent R/WL > tests, and the orginal VAX architecture tests (AXE) to verify that all wasN > well. The critical element turned out to be the multiport SCSI controller inN > the storage bay. There are two types of controllers, the ones which act moreN > like a switch and the ones which do not tamper with the sequence of incomingJ > SCSI commands. Unfortunately, the concept of 'Windows clustering' (whichH > never permits concurrent disk access) confuses many engineers when youL > discuss this feature, and a lot of multiport SCSI hardware simply does notL > work they way we need it. Equipment from vendors that know about real SCSIN > sharing, like the Compaq/HP storageworks bays, is OK. We worked for our testJ > systems with Storcase, and after a few tries they got the right hardwareM > combaination. As even for them it was not evident, they will issue a single4F > partnumber for the right combination to avoid problems in the field.    N Such a recurring theme.  Where have we heard that before?  VMS will only work P correctly on qualified hardware.  Wonder how the proponents of VMS on commodity $ IA-32 understand such a requirement?   Dave     > Regards, Robert Boers. > 7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ( > news:3F8CAD52.1080202@tsoft-inc.com... >  > [...]H >  > 0 >>Ok, now you're introducing potential problems. >>G >>Does Charon VAX have it's own disk drivers, or do is work through the  >> > windoz > I >>SCSI drivers?  If it's the latter, then what about cached data?  How don >> > yout > 4 >>force a write by the VAX to really be on the disk? >> >  > [...]  >  >  >        -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486a   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2003 15:39:43 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: XNET?9 Message-ID: <bmjpnv$mpe7d$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>l  I So, is everyone else getting SPAMMED by xnet.ro with some garbage writtenrI in a totally incomprehensible language that uses addresses very obviouslye mined from c.o.v?u  D It's really time to form USENET III and leave INTERNET mail and news to the rabble.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   A   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.572 ************************