1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 16 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 573       Contents:( 3-6 month Northern NJ VMS/C upgrade work* Re: ABS/MDMS and a BreeceHill tape library1 Another opportunity NOT to market VMS effectively 0 Re: Anyone interested in a media player for VMS? Re: Apache on VMS  Re: BlackList search3 Re: BlackList search (was: PLI land is unreachable) 3 Re: BlackList search (was: PLI land is unreachable) ! Cannot login DCE on Alpha OpenVMS  Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts? Re: Itanium/Integrity & EV7/Marvel leadership benchmark results ! Long time until Username prompt ? % Re: Long time until Username prompt ?  Re: MD5 source code ?  Re: MX regex ?* Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd2 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment  Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you?P Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive res' Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? + Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? + Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? + Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? + Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? + Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? ) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media  Re: strange events Re: strange events- Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well - Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well 4 We still need DS10 systems  2 for 1 Deal Still going Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER?8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:24:53 GMT ) From: Steven Bitgood <steve@goodbits.com> 1 Subject: 3-6 month Northern NJ VMS/C upgrade work + Message-ID: <3F8E1D9D.6090408@goodbits.com>   c Apparently some place in NJ has been sitting at VMS 5.5-2 for a while, and is working on a plan to  d upgrade to 7.3 or thereabouts. Key words that I heard were "DEC C," "distributed," "multi-threaded"  and "real-time."  a If you're interested, tell Kenneth Quartarone ( kenq@designstrategy.com or (888) 425-2404 x302 ).   d Note that, while I'm not associated with Kenneth or his company, I might get some referral $ if you . tell him that I sent you and you get the work.   Hope this helps someone.   Steven Bitgood   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 14:08:42 -0700$ From: benitos@stcc.cc.tx.us (Benito)3 Subject: Re: ABS/MDMS and a BreeceHill tape library = Message-ID: <ad6309a1.0310151308.4bc076a9@posting.google.com>   i benitos@stcc.cc.tx.us (Benito) wrote in message news:<ad6309a1.0310060610.44af4991@posting.google.com>...  > Hello Everyone. 9 > I am trying to get ABS/MDMS to successfully work with a E > MTI(BreeceHill)Q7 1530 tape library with 28 slots and 2 quantum dlt F > 7000 drives. The problem right now is that the library does not autoE > unload after a tape loads to a drive.  I have to mount/dismount the @ > drive (via OpenVms), only at that point is ABS/MDMS is able toB > dismount the drive.  The problem with that is, that I have to beD > shutting down the MDMS server since it allocates the drives to its? > process.  I am also having a hard time configuring ABS/MDMS.  F > MRU/Robot seems to work much better but I have the same problem with) > the unloading of tapes from the drives.  > ; > I know there must me someone out there that has done this : > successfully, right??  I hope so.  Thank you in advance. >  > Benito Salinas > benitos@stcc.cc.tx.us   F I am trying to install/configure Branches (from sourceforge.com).  Any$ help with that would be appreciated.   Benito   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:16:32 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Another opportunity NOT to market VMS effectivelyK Message-ID: <4agjb.342304$Lnr1.243970@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1632&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/techta" rget/20031015/tc_techtarget/932205    ' Experts: Security melding with recovery  Wed Oct 15, 8:00 AM ET  1 Michael S. Mimoso, SearchSecurity.com News Editor   I NEW YORK -- More enterprise security officers are assuming responsibility K for disaster recovery and business continuity. Though these areas were once H considered separate, experts are starting to advocate the integration of9 security into recovery, continuity and high availability.   E "The real objective is to have a resilient infrastructure. You need a G high-availability strategy that needs to address security [issues] like J denial-of-service attacks, for example," said John Jackson, vice presidentK of IBM's continuity and recovery services division. "These are not three or $ four separate disciplines any more."  
 ...more...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:01:27 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>9 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a media player for VMS? % Message-ID: <3f8d4528@cpns1.saic.com>    Dirk Munk wrote:J > Yes, I am. But even more in a new Flash plugin for Mozilla. The old one D > is hardly usable anymore, and since many web designers use flash..  H That request has come in recently from a few folks.  It would be a very I large project but I'll take a look at doing it if there is enough demand.   
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 13:03:37 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: Apache on VMS3 Message-ID: <wirUrs6vvmaN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <26Bhb.17618$Qo.16082@news2.central.cox.net>, "John" <me@hair.net> writes: I > Anyone know of a web site running on a VMS system under apache ? We are 6 > having idiot type problems to get images to show up. >  > Thanks >  > John   I'm running...   http://www.kuhrt.net http://www.mating-habits.com http://www.tinseltrash.com  < from one Alpha using V7.3 and CSWS V1.2 at home and another   couple intranet set ups at work.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:31:20 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: BlackList search 4 Message-ID: <3f8da08d$0$27045$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Masterpiece, John.   John E. Malmberg wrote:   F > So if you find it stupid, call your ISP.  They requested the listingE > in response to a query by the services that are doing the listings.    I will.    Many thanks,   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 12:28:01 -0600+ From: wb8tyw@qsl.network (John E. Malmberg) < Subject: Re: BlackList search (was: PLI land is unreachable)3 Message-ID: <9WfDVLIWRb1o@eisner.encompasserve.org>   4 In article <3f8d6f4b$0$10406$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,$ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: > John E. Malmberg wrote:  > ; >> http://informatie.easynet.nl/error/errors.html#dynablock  > 1 > I found something else which seems interesting:  >  > http://openrbl.org/  > 193.253.42.28 gave:  > J > Multi DNSBL Lookup 193.253.42.28 http://openrbl.org/ip/193/253/42/28.htm > J >   Lookup 193.253.42.28 (atoulouse-105-1-2-28.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) in
 > 19+12 Zones 8 >      * @DYNAMIC/dialup: 193.253.42/24: 553 DynaBlock -* > http://dynablock.easynet.nl/errors.html;I >        193.253/16: 553 ADSL/CABLE/DIALUP abo.wanadoo.fr IP2000-ADSL-BAS   C You are in this one because your ISP says that your I.P. address is I dynamic, not because of spam reports.  This is a listing of all addresses A that an ISP says are not permanently assigned to their customers.   C If this is incorrect, then you need to get your ISP to tell easynet - and others that you have a permanent address.   M Otherwise, as more networks get told by your ISP that it is a dynamic address H it will get added to more public and private DHCP/DIALUP blocking lists.  F >      * @ISP/blackholes.us: 193.253.42/24: 553 ISP WANADOO-FR - 16.8%! > blocked by NOMORE [Blockparade]   K That is a ISP based blocking list for those that want to block by ISP or to 2 do a quick lookup on who controls an I.P. address.  F It will list all I.P. addresses own by that ISP.  This is only used byG people who are either testing the blocking list function, or are so fed J up with spam coming from an ISP that they are now refusing all e-mail from it.   I >      * @SPAM/spamsource: 193.253.42/24: 553 PROXY 193.253.42.245,250,75  > SW BWN wanadoo.fr SWN 2003-07   H Some of your neighboring I.P. address have had a severe security problem9 and it lasted long enough to get the entire block listed.   H >      * NOMORE/moensted.dk: 193.253.42/24: 553 NOMORE wanadoo.fr.dialup  D Another list that your ISP apparently told that you are in a dyanmicI address range.  DIALUP and DHCP ranges are usually blocked at the request ! of the ISP that owns the address.     F >      * XBL/telecom-fr: sobig.f from APlessis-Bouchard; open proxies;) > open relays that stay open [No Removal]   G The XBL is listing any I.P. that ever sent them an e-mail that does not I concern their main business, and was requested by one of their employees. 0 It says so on their web site that explains this.  G Inquiring about the XBL will get you added to it if you are not already  according to the web page.  H The XBL list is apparently slowly listing the entire internet except forB the few people that the owner of the XBL wants to get e-mail from.  C >      * FIVETEN/193.253.31.168.wanadoo.fr.misc.spam: miscellaneous ) > address blocks that have sent spam here   C FIVETEN seems to add a block as soon as they get spam from anywhere @ in the range, and it will only get removed if a FIVETEN employee$ wants to get e-mail from that range.  B When FIVETEN is queried directly, instead of the way that you did,4 you can get a code saying why they listed the block.  B > So, what I understand from all this is that the block 193.253.42C > contains at least three spammers, this is why the whole block was  > blacklisted.    E The whole block is listed because when your ISP was contacted about a D spam report, apparently they told the listing services that it was aF dynamic address and to list the entire block.  That is how the dyanmicH lists work.  Your ISP requests the listing so that they will not receive0 as many abuse reports about spam e-mail from it.    I If it was listed in blackholes.easynet.nl, it would mean that it was spam G that caused the listing, and that the ISP had a history of allowing it.   K If it was listed in proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl, it would mean that there J is an open proxy at that address, and that the ISP has been notified about the problem.    L But being listed in dyanablock means that *your* ISP said it was not a fixedO address permanently assigned to you when they were asked about spam coming from H any of their DHCP addresses, and your ISP told them to list all of their DHCP addresses.   K Generally when a DNSbl listing services asks, an ISP will provide them with 2 all of their Dynamically allocated I.P. addresses.  	 > Stupid.   G So if you find it stupid, call your ISP.  They requested the listing in @ response to a query by the services that are doing the listings.  I Easynet's web page says that if your ISP says your I.P. address is really 1 permanently assigned to you, they will remove it.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:27:22 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: BlackList search (was: PLI land is unreachable)) Message-ID: <3F8D9F94.67214AAC@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote: B > So, what I understand from all this is that the block 193.253.42C > contains at least three spammers, this is why the whole block was  > blacklisted.  J You shoudl be aware that nerim.net hosts one of the most annoying spammingM service, an irresponsible anonymous remailer and news gateway that allows any P identity to be faked. So don't be surprised if you have problems sending emails.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 12:57:58 -0700/ From: ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) * Subject: Cannot login DCE on Alpha OpenVMS= Message-ID: <2f57764a.0310151157.6d9adbef@posting.google.com>   E We have an Alpha OpenVMS server for some ERP software, and I have the ? system login to it. The terminal login works fine, but theres a D graphic console attached to it showing the DCE login screen. I enterF the system login and password, and the screen disappears for a second,! then I get the login screen back.   F Is there something like a .initrc file or a security file to allow theF system to use the windowing system? For any new user, what settings do. you have to add to get him running on the DCE?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:38:03 GMT 0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>' Subject: Re: Delete UCX$* user accounts 7 Message-ID: <vTkjb.6117$d6.265849@nasal.pacific.net.au>   ) John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote: > >> Do you have corresponding TCPIP$blahblah accounts in place? > 7 > Yes I do.  The V5.x uses the TCPIP$blahblah accounts.  > > >> To be safe, I'd look at the SYSUAF records for each of them? >> and check the last login dates (especially non-interactive)  B >> to make sure they're not only merely dead, they're really most  >> sincerely dead. > B > I have done that.  The directory structure is also non-existent. > H > The accounts have activity prior to Mar-2000 --- about the time of the > VAX to Alpha upgrade.  > N > I believe I can delete the accounts without a problem however just wanted to/ > check and make sure before I push the button.   F 	Yes, my advice is that you can remove those accounts. I have done theE 	same. However, do not remove all UCX images from the system disk, as 2 	some are still used, even with TCPIP V5.x, like :  A                 00000000  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]UCX$ACCESS_SHR.EXE;1 >                 00000000  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]UCX$IPC_SHR.EXE;1A                 00000000  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]UCX$RPCXDR_SHR.EXE;1 @                 00000000  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]UCX$ESNMP_SHR.EXE;1   							Cheers,  Csaba   J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   #  Thoreau's Theories of Adaptation : ?   1) After months of training and you finally understand all of C      a program's commands, a revised version of the program arrives '      with an all-new command structure. G   2) After designing a useful routine that gets around a familiar "bug" G      in the system, the system is revised, the "bug" is taken away, and (      you're left with a useless routine.D   3) Efforts in improving a program's "user friendliness" invariably:      lead to work in improving user's "computer literacy."+   4) That's not a "bug", that's a feature !    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:30:27 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>H Subject: Re: Itanium/Integrity & EV7/Marvel leadership benchmark results2 Message-ID: <HfmdnXE3xPhzsROiU-KYuQ@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:cf15391e.0310141031.edc022d@posting.google.com...C > Some here have contended that HP would never tout Alpha benchmark 
 > results.  J They have?  Could you provide specific citations for these contentions?  IH don't remember seeing them, but of course I'm hardly omniscient - so I'd< like the opportunity to acquaint myself with their contents.  K Now, I do remember calling attention to an HP statement that HP didn't plan K to release TPC-C benchmarks for EV7.  That seemed just a bit strange, given K how enthusiastic EV7's developers had been about its potential in this area I (especially in large systems, where the Itanic Superdome platform kind of L falls flat on its face in per-processor TPC-C performance when compared with0 POWER4+) - but doubtless they had their reasons.  L Of course, HP has also announced changes that will cripple EV79 (lower clockK rate, less cache, slower development schedule) - but that's not (quite) the . same as refusing to release benchmark results.  !   Judging by the press release at H > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/031003b.html, it seems HPE > is perfectly willing to brag about EV7 and Marvel performance where  > bragging is warranted.  G My, but you're quick to generalize grandly from publication of a single L Alpha benchmark result.  You don't really think that this is the *only* caseJ where EV7 bragging is warranted, do you?  I have it on good authority fromL one of your co-workers that EV7's large-system TPC-C performance isn't beingG kept quiet because there's any reason to be ashamed of it, for example.    > D > "HP servers faster than IBM, SGI, and all others, according to new > benchmark results   I Ah, yes - the sound-byte approach to news distribution.  Let's see if the A body of the press release gets into any more interesting details.    > ? > HP continues to demonstrate leadership in HPTC, achieving top ; > performance results for the SPEC OMP benchmark suite, the ; > industry-standard benchmark for compute-intensive, OpenMP D > shared-memory parallel processing. These results show HP IntegrityG > servers and HP AlphaServer systems are faster than systems offered by   > IBM, SGI, or any other vendor.  K Well, the first paragraph just uses a lot more words to say pretty much the " same thing that the headline said.   > G > The HP Integrity Superdome server, running 64 Itanium 2 processors at A > 1.5 gigahertz and the HP-UX operating system, now maintains the G > official leading score of 257,702 for the SPEC OMPLbase2001 benchmark D > and the official leading score of 271,659 on the SPEC OMPLpeak2001@ > benchmark. These results are 33 percent and 37 percent higher,> > respectively, than those posted by SGI's Origin 3900 system.  K Indeed they are, and that qualifies as additional information as well.  But G why do you suppose HP didn't bother to test an EV7 system here?  Do you L think that it was because the Alpha was a real dog (despite doing so well inI the other portion of the benchmark), or could it possibly be because they D didn't need to use an Alpha system to win and saw no other reason to= publicize its performance (say, by comparison with Itanic's)?   L There aren't any IBM submissions for this portion of the benchmark, either -A which kind of thins out the field that Itanic has to beat to win.    > G > The HP AlphaServer GS1280 system, running 64 Alpha EV7 processors and F > the Tru64 UNIX operating system, maintains the fastest SPEC OMPM2001F > results, with a score of 35,895 for the SPEC OMPMbase2001 and 50,305G > for the SPEC OMPMpeak2001. The SPEC OMPMpeak20001 score is 30 percent / > faster than that posted by IBM's p690 system.   G Well, they could have said 31% (since they had no problem rounding up a I similar Itanic lead above).  But more importantly, they also neglected to K note that EV7's *base* score is *less than 2% higher* than the p690's.  And G *most* importantly, they neglected to note that the p690 achieves these A scores using only half as many processors as the EV7 system uses.   I (Oh, yeah - the 64-processor top-of-the-line Itanic's scores are in third K place, behind both the 64-processor EV7 and 32-processor p690 systems.  Why H do you supposed they bothered to submit Itanic scores at all here, sinceI they weren't good enough to win - but didn't do the same for Alpha in the   other portion of the benchmark?)  J If we actually look at the spec.org reports rather than just accept the HP/ press release at face value, what can we learn?   J 1.  Despite using a basic core design that first shipped in 1998 and beingF stuck in the previous process generation (180 nm. vs. 130 nm. for bothF Itanic and POWER4+), Alpha remains competitive in large systems.  JustJ imagine how well it could do if its owner were interested in keeping it upD to date (rather than in crippling EV79 even more than it has already= announced it will, if a recent Inquirer article is accurate).   G 2.  POWER4+ is once again (the other glaring example being TPC-C) about D twice the processor that Madison is, at least when you compare largeC p-series systems with Superdomes.  However, this is probably more a L reflection of Superdome's design limitations than the fault of Itanic (whichK in small-processor-count systems competes very well with POWER4+ unless you L include power efficiency as a consideration):  too bad HP chose to go with aC loser server architecture rather than the winner that it also owns.   ? 3.  When you match a large Superdome Itanic system up against a J back-of-the-pack performer like MIPS (a respectable architecture which hasL been even more sorely neglected than Alpha has), it can eke out a clear win.  = 4.  When HP can win with Itanic, Alpha is nowhere to be seen.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:56:58 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: Long time until Username prompt ?' Message-ID: <3F8DC2AA.5490107C@aaa.com>    Hi. 4 For some unknown reason, on a specific box, it takes5 over 1 minute from the "connect" in an PC VT emulator 8 until the Username: prompt. After that all seems to have5 "normal" respons times. FTP's run at about 10 Mbit/s.   . DS10 using the builtin LAN interface on 100Mb. No to very light load.: MON SYS shows no (more or less) activity during the delay. Unknown LAN topology.   4 Any sugestions on what the reason to this could be ? Anybody seen anything # IP address conflict on the subnet ?   ( I don't have direct access to the box...   A related issue,< Is it possible to increase the time before the TELNET client8 in TCPIP Services "gives up" and gives the error below ?   $ TELNET a.b.c.d$ %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... a.b.c.d4 %TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host! -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout  $   " It's about 1 minute now (UCX 5.3).   Thanks, 	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:15:41 -0500 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> . Subject: Re: Long time until Username prompt ?9 Message-ID: <6Cjjb.28845$%C5.13665@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   1 Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3F8DC2AA.5490107C@aaa.com...  > Hi. 6 > For some unknown reason, on a specific box, it takes7 > over 1 minute from the "connect" in an PC VT emulator : > until the Username: prompt. After that all seems to have7 > "normal" respons times. FTP's run at about 10 Mbit/s.  > 0 > DS10 using the builtin LAN interface on 100Mb. > No to very light load.< > MON SYS shows no (more or less) activity during the delay. > Unknown LAN topology.  > 6 > Any sugestions on what the reason to this could be ?  F It's a reverse telnet lookup that occurs when you are establishing theC Telnet session to the VMS box that has done this to me in the past. K If you look at the routing table, I bet that the node itself is listed as a H router.  Blow that route away, and I bet your instant connection is back again.L For some reason if there is a network problem, TCPIP services tryies to findL other routes out of the system.  It will try the local host as a router, and adds this to the routing table.    > Anybody seen anything % > IP address conflict on the subnet ?  > * > I don't have direct access to the box... >  > A related issue,> > Is it possible to increase the time before the TELNET client: > in TCPIP Services "gives up" and gives the error below ? >  > $ TELNET a.b.c.d& > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... a.b.c.d6 > %TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host# > -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout  > $  > $ > It's about 1 minute now (UCX 5.3). > 	 > Thanks,  > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:11:56 +0200  From: jf.pieronne@laposte.net  Subject: Re: MD5 source code ?2 Message-ID: <bmk9me$fim$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr>   Craig A. Berry wrote:   6 > In article <3phgb.81032$qU6.1291982@news.chello.at>,: >  peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote: >  > L >>Does anyone have a source code ready which does a MD5 checksum of an input3 >>file and puts the hash/checksum in a DCL symbol ?  >  > I > It's pretty simple in Perl using extensions that are included with the   > core package:  >  >  > $ type get_md5.pl 
 > use strict;  > use VMS::DCLsym; > use Digest::MD5; > ; > open F, $ARGV[0] or die "Cannot open file $ARGV[0] : $!"; 8 > my $digest = Digest::MD5->new->addfile(*F)->hexdigest;J > VMS::DCLsym->new->setsym('MD5$MD5', $digest) or die "Cannot set symbol:  > $!"; > exit;  > $ ' > $ perl get_md5.pl sys$login:login.com  > $ show symbol md5$md5 0 >   MD5$MD5 = "db6aa5d44c8172b38193d8c3d1dc9aa0" > $    Or in Python   $ ty get_md5.py  import md5, sys, vms.rtl.lib f=open(sys.argv[1]) @ vms.rtl.lib.set_symbol('md5$md5', md5.new(f.read()).hexdigest())	 f.close()  $ ' $ python get_md5.pl sys$login:login.com  $ sh symbol md5$md5 /    MD5$MD5 = "5b7baf4acfe7cbbac143da699a558d31"  $     md5 module is a standard module:5 http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-md5.html    JF   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:22:54 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: MX regex ? ; Message-ID: <3f8d907e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   " Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote:= > In the ongoing spam battle, could someone enlighten me why   > , > Rule ID: 68  (regular expression matching)  >     Header: From: "net(work) *6 >     Added: 15-OCT-2003 08:42:36.56, never referenced  G This says: In the "From:" line, match if it begins with `"net' followed D by `work' (which is grouped for no good reason), followed by zero or more blanks.  , > doesn't catch the following rfc822 header? > 4 > From: "Net Mail System" <mailautomat@puremail.com>   It doesn't match.   + > To: "Mail User" <receiver@homeserver.com> 
 > Subject:  G To have `"net' optionally followed by `work', put a question mark right  after the parenthesis.   cu,    Martin --  F                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:56:14 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd 2 Message-ID: <Ovijb.7103$AZ3.5859@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <bmhs49$2gm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  :ghazan@ghazan.haider.name (Ghazan Haider) writes in article <2f57764a.0310141331.484e2a9e@posting.google.com> dated 14 Oct 2003 14:31:23 -0700:  2   Ghazan, please acquire and read the OpenVMS FAQ:  %     http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/     F :>After a little struggle, I have limited control of one OpenVMS basedD :>microvax 3100-95 system which was used as the base business system : H :>So my question is is there a straight procedure for resetting the rootE :>(or system or sysadm ) password on this thing? I could possibly put  : G :I'm not all that familiar with that hardware.  There should be a reset K :button somewhere which will get you to a boot prompt:  > or >>>.  What you M :want to do is boot conversationally from there, something like B/F:00000001.   G   Various of the hardware documentation and users guides are available, 5   and there are pointers on the web and in the FAQ.     J   Most VAX systems have a standard VT-series serial console terminal port,L   meaning that the console can be controlled from a standard serial terminalJ   or terminal emulator.  The console HALT involves use of the BREAK key onH   the console terminal.  (The FAQ has details on the break-enable switchK   and the MMJ pinout and related topics.)  In the case of the MicroVAX 3100 J   model 95 series, you should find the halt-enable slide switch and a haltK   button on the back of the box -- when the slide is up, BREAK works on the L   console serial line.  When down, BREAK is ignored.  (The FAQ also has someI   details around just what a BREAK really is, and why speed mismatches or K   terminals that power-cycle can cause problems for a console serial line.)    C :Then at the SYSBOOT> prompt set SYSUAFALTERNATE to 1 and CONTINUE.   F   This approach -- for the reasons listed in the OpenVMS FAQ -- is not;   entirely reliable nor particularly one I would recommend.    ..E :>NetBSD for microvax on a seperate SCSI disk and try booting off it, G :>mount the other disk's volume if mountable and change the appropriate G :>config file. But is there a simpler way given you have full access to B :>the box, but intend to change on only the root password, and not! :>install OpenVMS all over again?   C   Sure, but you'll need something that understands the file system.   C   Most any recent OpenVMS VAX distribution can be booted off CD-ROM @   distribution media, and can then mount and access the existingB   system disk.  (It is possible to lock out various of the console=   commands, rendering this approach somewhat more difficult.)   A   If you have a sufficiently-recent installation CD, you can boot C   full OpenVMS VAX, or you can boot standalone BACKUP -- the former @   allows access to the system disk, the latter allows only basic9   disk-level BACKUP archiving and restoration operations.   L :If there *is* an alternate UAF set up, you will need a VMS installation CD,L :but you just have to boot it and then run the authorize utility from there.  D   Agai, please read the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), asE   the UAFALTERNATE approach recommended above is arguably something I F   would deprecate, for just the reasons you state.  You will also findF   a more reliable approach, and particularly one that does not requireI   the distribution kit; you don't need to resort to the installation kit, D   if there is a functional OpenVMS VAX root present on this MicroVAX   3100 model 95 beries box.      The OpenVMS FAQ is at:  %     http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/   J :I have seen alphastations which were so locked-down security-wise that itG :wouldn't even let me boot a CD.  Not even the hardware reset procedure  :worked, had to dump 'em.   I   If you find any more of these systems, please let me know -- I am quite I   willing to purchase any reasonably recent VAX or Alpha systems that you *   find yourself unable to break into.  :-)   :  :>My other curiosities: ( :>(1) Has anyone ported DOOM to the vax? :  :HAHAHAHAHAHA!    J   There are ports of LxDoom and Castle Wolfenstein (Wolf3D) queued for theL   next OpenVMS Freeware, Freeware V6, to be available at the OpenVMS website0   and to be shipped with OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2.    E   There are any number of Adventure and similar games over the years.   C :>(2) Is there an ANSI C99 compiler or perl for OpenVMS for the VAX  : G :Yes, see www.openvms.org for pointers to lots of freeware.  The best C J :compiler is probably HP's, which you can use for free if you sign up as aI :hobbyist (and promise not to use it for commercial purposes).  Check the I :licenses already on the system though ($ LICENSE LIST), you might have a  :commercial one right there.  F   See http://www.openvmshobbyist.org, or please see the OpenVMS FAQ atE   http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/ -- details and information on the !   hobbyist program are available.   G :>(3) Are the GNU tools available for it? IE can you type bash and take  :>it from there?  D   If you prefer, yes.  There are also direct ports of many GNU toolsE   into the native environment, and there are many tools and utilities 3   and commands that are directly native to OpenVMS.   J :There's a project called GNV which I intend to build for myself tonight. L :The only releases so far are alpha-test, but it does claim to include bash.  C   There are solid GNV kits available.  You can download a kit from:    2     http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/gnv.html  D   GTK+ and related are part of the Mozilla kit for OpenVMS, as well.  @ :>(4) Can OpenVMS run on platforms other than the VAX and Alpha? : M :Itanium is the new one as of summer 2003.  And there's always the Charon-VAXt! :emulator, which runs on Windows.f  E   There are several emulators, for those that want to use OpenVMS VAXoG   on Microsoft Windows boxes running on Intel Pentium-class processors.aG   SIMH is one, CHARON-VAX another, etc.  (I have received permission togF   include SIMH on the Freeware V6.0 kit, too, but you can download the5   kit -- off the website listed in the FAQ -- today.)g    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqpN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:12:44 -0400p* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 50012 Message-ID: <C0idnd_y6-AqhxOiXTWJhg@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0310141019.442e7ac4@posting.google.com...gC > "HP OpenVMS: ISV commitment and enthusiasm grow for HP OpenVMS onf > Integrity serversg >tB > With more than 500 ISV applications now committed to port to theF > OpenVMS operating system on HP Integrity servers, ISV commitment andB > enthusiasm continue to grow. "The momentum continues!" says Mark > Gorham  L Someone should tell Mark that momentum *always* 'continues': it is, in fact,K a conserved quantity in the absence of external forces (the Alphacide beingsE the largest such force in recent memory, but of course the 'affinity'SD program deserves recognition as well; unfortunately, no compensatingJ examples of momentum-*increasing* forces in the past decade spring readily	 to mind).s  D Since the momentum associated with VMS these days tends to be of theI minuscule variety, having it 'continue' is something of a mixed blessing.tH Now, if HP actually took some action that would significantly *increase*I VMS's momentum, *that* would be news (this being, after all, a newsgroup, # rather than an extension of HP PR).o   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 13:44:06 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)-& Subject: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0310151244.476c309e@posting.google.com>    Folks,  E There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is aiB 3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a0 copy please send me mail at my hp email address.  
 Warm Regards,t Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:54:49 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>A* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031015165257.051637e8@mail.patmedia.net>  , At 04:44 PM 10/15/2003, Sue Skonetski wrote: >Folks,0 >0F >There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is aC >3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a51 >copy please send me mail at my hp email address.   + I put a smaller version of this file up at lA <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg>v   Ken    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:06:46 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>p* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentJ Message-ID: <GFijb.117470$ko%.107220@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > Folks, >uG > There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is amD > 3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a2 > copy please send me mail at my hp email address. >  > Warm Regards,i > SueI    ! Okay. Now the nit-picking starts.   * It's a server ad...hardware, not software.  ; Notice the order in which the operating systems are listed. 2 Linux - which HP doesn't own and make no money on.2 Windows - which Hp doesn't own and loses money on.4 Unix - which has fallen  into use as a generic name." OpenVMS - which HP makes money on.    L HP is committed to industry-standard computing....just don't try and run any' of our os'es on anyone else's hardware.y    2 See..you can't satisfy all the people all the time   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:52:29 -0700 % From: "Scott Stark" <starkh@saic.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment' Message-ID: <3f8d5f30$1@cpns1.saic.com>e  2 hmm, in the ad there's an asterisk after OpenVMS *   * Expected to launch in 2004.u   hmm.. "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:GFijb.117470$ko%.107220@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Sue Skonetski wrote:
 > > Folks, > > I > > There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is a F > > 3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a4 > > copy please send me mail at my hp email address. > >n > > Warm Regards,f > > Suen >u > # > Okay. Now the nit-picking starts.e >e, > It's a server ad...hardware, not software. >e= > Notice the order in which the operating systems are listed.,4 > Linux - which HP doesn't own and make no money on.4 > Windows - which Hp doesn't own and loses money on.6 > Unix - which has fallen  into use as a generic name.$ > OpenVMS - which HP makes money on. >, >aJ > HP is committed to industry-standard computing....just don't try and run anyb) > of our os'es on anyone else's hardware.e >a >.4 > See..you can't satisfy all the people all the time >I >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:23:49 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentJ Message-ID: <Fqmjb.206774$3r1.116288@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Scott Stark wrote:4 > hmm, in the ad there's an asterisk after OpenVMS * >g > * Expected to launch in 2004.1 >2 > hmm.    E Give the guys in OpenVMS Engineering a break - they have a lot to do. J However I'm quite sure that they could do with additional funding and highE quality bodies to help out on a number of fronts, which they won't be  getting from HP corporate HQ.w  F But as far as your hmm goes, any doublespeak from senior HP executivesA deserves to be treated with a hmm or two if not a raised eyebrow.w   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 18:58:13 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)j* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0310151758.35341532@posting.google.com>o   Thank you Ken.   sue     u Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> wrote in message news:<6.0.0.22.2.20031015165257.051637e8@mail.patmedia.net>...o. > At 04:44 PM 10/15/2003, Sue Skonetski wrote:	 > >Folks,- > >-H > >There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is aE > >3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need aa3 > >copy please send me mail at my hp email address.e > - > I put a smaller version of this file up at 6C > <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg>E >  > Kenw   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:21:24 GMT % From: "Dlylama" <starkh@adelphia.net>s* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment> Message-ID: <oVpjb.109443$qj6.5072241@news1.news.adelphia.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:Fqmjb.206774$3r1.116288@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...G > Give the guys in OpenVMS Engineering a break - they have a lot to do. L > However I'm quite sure that they could do with additional funding and highG > quality bodies to help out on a number of fronts, which they won't beo > getting from HP corporate HQ.s > H > But as far as your hmm goes, any doublespeak from senior HP executivesC > deserves to be treated with a hmm or two if not a raised eyebrow.   J Hey, I wasn't on that tact. I realize the technical folks (who remain) areH dedicated and savvy. I was looking at it as (o.k. cross your fingers andC pray) HP management is actually thinking about the "AD" word and is + seriously considering doing something soon.n  J Man, I hope it's not like a sinking ship! The laborers are patching holes,L working hard, while the Captain and his elite are navigating and doing their best to run the ship aground.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:00:38 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>S' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?eK Message-ID: <aXfjb.342270$Lnr1.285613@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Tom Linden wrote: E > Most of our PL/I customers aren't on this list, so I have forwarded3F > Didier's posting to them.  Whether or not they respond, I don't know >0C > I can confirm the previous posting that there a number of defensey: > related agencies in a number of countries that use PL/I.  I To paraphrase Mr. Rogers....HP, can you say "Relatively price insensitive.1 customer" with relatively large VMS investments?"d  
 Sadly not.    L As Tom said, requalifying a compiler on a 'new' platform is a lesser cost toC ALL concerned than re-writing and requalifying applications. But HPfL apparently doesn't care about the expense their customers will incur and theK impact those expenses will make in their decision processes about migratingh7 to other vendors. Happy shrinking VMS customer base HP.t  " Not that HP 'Listens' or anything.J If they do 'listen' it's only to the voices they hear inside their heads -E in psychiatric circles that's called 'delusional', and there is ample I evidence with respect to VMS that's what in fact is going on at mangement  levels.e     >aE > The preliminary indications that I have gotten are not so much what3D > they will do with their PL/I code, but whether they will stay with
 > VMS, andE > I believe Keith Lewis and Jeff Goodwin articulated that position asm > well.  >n >> -----Original Message-----t+ >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]e, >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:15 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >> Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you? >> >> >> Didier Morandi wrote:H >>> TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers????????????????? >>C >> The other statistic that's worth noting is the number of systems. >> affected. >>D >> Two people could be speaking for a total of two servers or 12,000 >> servers.  >> >> >> ---) >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.s= >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). C >> Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003s >> > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:26:40 +0200o" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?b4 Message-ID: <3f8d9f73$0$27033$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  [ > In article <3f8d19aa$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:o > F >>TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers????????????????? >  > D > You may have an inappropriately optimistic view of how many peopleB > participate in comp.os.vms.  Certainly there are some people who > participate a _lot_.  1 Subliminal message: I'm a bit noisy these days...S   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:24:54 -0400d( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?s, Message-ID: <3F8DBB26.2080407@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:o > E >>Most of our PL/I customers aren't on this list, so I have forwarded1F >>Didier's posting to them.  Whether or not they respond, I don't know >>C >>I can confirm the previous posting that there a number of defense : >>related agencies in a number of countries that use PL/I. >> > K > To paraphrase Mr. Rogers....HP, can you say "Relatively price insensitive 3 > customer" with relatively large VMS investments?"l >  > Sadly not. >  > N > As Tom said, requalifying a compiler on a 'new' platform is a lesser cost toE > ALL concerned than re-writing and requalifying applications. But HPyN > apparently doesn't care about the expense their customers will incur and theM > impact those expenses will make in their decision processes about migratinga9 > to other vendors. Happy shrinking VMS customer base HP.     J It's just more of the same.  We've heard about how much Alpha was costing Q DEC/Compaq.  Not too much was said of the customer investment, which most likely lQ is many times the cost of Alpha.  Compaq just didn't seem to care about the harm tO caused to their customers.  I can understand that to some degree, Compaq being eK basically a PC company, which doesn't have 'customers', they have 'sales'. eJ Customers include certain concepts, like partnership, and commitment, and M repeat/ongoing business, and long term support.  If all that would have been oK considered, Alpha would not have been cancelled.  If the perception of the 1Q 'customers' would have been considered, there would not have been the cancelling :@ of Alpha until a valid and competitive alternative was in place.    $ > Not that HP 'Listens' or anything.L > If they do 'listen' it's only to the voices they hear inside their heads -G > in psychiatric circles that's called 'delusional', and there is amplesK > evidence with respect to VMS that's what in fact is going on at mangementd	 > levels.l  O I have no idea what the problem is at HP.  My concern is that HP, at least the rN enterprise and PC business, is going to be a short lived entity.  At one time Q there were people at HP that understood the concept of customer, commitment, and tO such.  Either the 'new order' has purged all of them, or they are being silent  M to avoid being purged.  Heck, even Dell backpedeled rather quickly on moving aL enterprise support to India.  If the people at the top at HP are looking to O generate some short term personal gains, and then be on their way, I fear that  N there won't be much left afterward.  As stated by many, the type of customers F that they will eventually lose are the type that will never come back.  M I'm the type to favor free enterprise, chaos, and such.  But when personally  J greedy people can work their way to the top and then do so much harm, I'm 0 beginning to see the need for some more control.   Dave   -- -4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road- Vanderbilt, PA  15486-   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 21:48:41 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?a3 Message-ID: <UyCavk0DgTOp@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  Y In article <3f8d9f73$0$27033$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:u >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > \ >> In article <3f8d19aa$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: >> rG >>>TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you readers?????????????????e >> e >> eE >> You may have an inappropriately optimistic view of how many peopleyC >> participate in comp.os.vms.  Certainly there are some people who- >> participate a _lot_., > 3 > Subliminal message: I'm a bit noisy these days...@  B Well, me too.  But don't mistake the volume of either of our posts( for large numbers of c.o.v participants.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:11:34 -0400m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Preaching To The Choir (was Re: Morgan Stanley analyst releases positive rese) Message-ID: <3F8D9BE1.5F3CC453@istop.com>o   Capitan Mutanda wrote:Y > > That employee was smarter and he hired his own private eye who uncovered the framing.n > M > Interesting story! Care to put some poiters; could be some nice bed readingd! > alternative to Len Deighton ;-)H  L This happened circa 1999.  The senior VPs wanted that employee fired becauseL he had posed nude in some gay magazine, but they knew that since he had doneJ that outside business hours and outside of corporate premises, they had noS legal right to fire him. So they framed the guy and had him sent to prison instead.a  K Shortly afterwards, some female won a case against Morgan Stanley where shec4 had not been given promotion because she was female.  L This story came out just after I had gotten screwed by some new york bankersK (they were not from morgan stanley), one of which had to resign just before D the SEC publicly started to investigate his bank for knowingly moneyL laundering russian mafia money. (he was directly involved in preventing suchJ schemes so his very quick early retirement was a *strange* coincidence :-)  M Needless to say I don't have high regards for New York Bankers. (but I do forn# their secretaries/admin assitants).y   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:26:50 -0500 (CDT)m From: sms@antinode.org0 Subject: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?) Message-ID: <03101513265048@antinode.org>   9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>rA > Is it possible to see the settings of a EW interface from VMS ?t2 > Half/full duplex and the speed 10/100 (or auto).$ > Without shutting down the system ? > = > DS10/466 with builtin Ethernet interface running VMS 7.3-1.   1 ALP $ mcr lancp show device /characteristics ewb0v   Device Characteristics EWB0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  --------------n+                    1500  Device buffer sizeo(                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback modeh-       08-00-2B-C4-4E-C2  Hardware LAN addressr/                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication mediumi,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                     Yes  Full duplex enablei0                     Yes  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)  D But why limit yourself?  "mcr lancp show devi /char" shows them all.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode,orge    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:03:22 +0200o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e4 Subject: Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?& Message-ID: <3F8D7DDA.B709A34@aaa.com>  
 Found it !   LANCP is the tool to use...   	 Jan-Erik.a     Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:t >  > Hi.bA > Is it possible to see the settings of a EW interface from VMS ?a2 > Half/full duplex and the speed 10/100 (or auto).$ > Without shutting down the system ? > = > DS10/466 with builtin Ethernet interface running VMS 7.3-1.S >  > Jan-Erik.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:57:11 -0400h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?) Message-ID: <3F8D9882.46C9E719@istop.com>a   sms@antinode.org wrote:r3 > ALP $ mcr lancp show device /characteristics ewb0t    K /CHARACTERISTICS is listed on the help but is not recognized on VAX VMS 7.2    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:26:21 +0200t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>f4 Subject: Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?& Message-ID: <3F8D9F5D.5CA4FB2@aaa.com>  6 My DS10 isn't a VAX so I have no problem with that :-) Thanks anyway.	 Jan-Erik.r   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > sms@antinode.org wrote: 5 > > ALP $ mcr lancp show device /characteristics ewb0t > M > /CHARACTERISTICS is listed on the help but is not recognized on VAX VMS 7.2e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 17:57:25 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)4 Subject: Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?3 Message-ID: <R5IqrfOW53xz@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  c In article <3F8D7BF0.1B08FF61@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:i > Hi.aA > Is it possible to see the settings of a EW interface from VMS ?i2 > Half/full duplex and the speed 10/100 (or auto).$ > Without shutting down the system ? > = > DS10/466 with builtin Ethernet interface running VMS 7.3-1.)   $ MC LANCP SHO DEV/CHARg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:22:49 GMTh From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz4 Subject: Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?% Message-ID: <3f8dd6ac.513831781@news>c   /PARAMETER works for VAX.m  , On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:57:11 -0400, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >sms@antinode.org wrote:4 >> ALP $ mcr lancp show device /characteristics ewb0 >o >dL >/CHARACTERISTICS is listed on the help but is not recognized on VAX VMS 7.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:19:19 -0400i. From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com>2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media+ Message-ID: <bmkpm1$apm$1@bob.news.rcn.net>u  A The term "condist" has been around for many years...it is a shortoE form of "consolidated distribution". I don't know if Compaq or HP use 8 or used it, but DEC certainly did at least colloquially.     Didier Morandi wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:u > E >> I have on occasion benefitted from others who allowed me access tooH >> some condist kits. Not everyone can borrow condist from work to bring- >> home to load stuff on their home machines.r >  > J > "condist"? is that a new HP naming? I suppose you are talking about the  > SW distribution kits CDs?t > C >> Putting all of condist on one system would put too big a load on F >> bandwidth limits for a single volunteer. However, I suspect many ofG >> us have some spare bandwidth and between all of us, wouldn't that ben6 >> sufficicent to be able to provide condist on-line ? >  > K > A solution that I use personally for my own remote needs is to leave the  F > "condist" CD I know I will need in a CD-ROM drive, then use an HTML " > interface to get what I need to. > I > Maybe we could try to spread the whole "condist" CDs among the OpenVMS t > Ring and use that method?v > H >> Would Digital/HP have reservations about this ? If we were to requireF >> that one enter his decus number or even pak authorization number in4 >> order to access a kit, would that be acceptable ? >  > + > I suppose Montagar could answer that one.6E > I support the idea. Since two years (2) I never succeeded to get a @H > single piece of software from Montagar with my (supposed to be) valid  > DECUS nr :-(4 > Fortunately, I only use my FORTRAN 77 compiler :-) >  > D.7 > -----------------------------------------------------m7 > Support the OpenVMS promotion, add an ad on your sites' >             http://blagnac.dyndns.orgS8 > ------------------------------------------------------ >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:18:41 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>t Subject: Re: strange eventsr= Message-ID: <BYhjb.7960$Rz6.69302411@news-text.cableinet.net>n  I Sounds like a cabling problem to me. Start at the back of the machine and E look backwards into the network. Has anyone touched it? Moved it? Hadr building work carried out?   -- y   Hope this helps, Colin.a) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT ukeL Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:52:09 GMTn+ From: "Jay E. Morris" <usenet@epsilon3.com>n Subject: Re: strange events 9 Message-ID: <tJnjb.55563$7_1.27283@twister.austin.rr.com>   O In message <bmiq1c$kmo$1@news.kth.se>, anders@alfons.lib.kth.se (Anders Olsson)g wrote: >  > Hello! > N > At our library we have an old Alphaserver 2100. It used to hold our library J > system but nowadays it mostly serves webpages and act as our mailserver. It's as N > old as from 1995. It has been working fine but yesterday it started shouting the-B > following, and it did so to the extent that nothing else worked. >  >  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-OCT-2003 15:23:05.00  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on KTHBIBO > Event: Excessive Collision from: Node LOCAL:.KTHBIB CSMA-CD Station CSMACD-0,c/ >         at: 2003-10-14-15:23:05.007+02:00Iinf'9 >         eventUid   4E9BDA09-FE5A-11D7-A9BB-4B5448424942o9 >         entityUid  69865200-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033EDp9 >         streamUid  8540C160-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033EDe > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-OCT-2003 15:23:05.41  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on KTHBIBI > Event: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU from: Node LOCAL:.KTHBIBp CSMA-CDG > Station CSMACD-0,p/ >         at: 2003-10-14-15:23:05.415+02:00IinfM: >         Data Link Header='AA00040033ED0030962977080800'H9 >         eventUid   4EDA2273-FE5A-11D7-A9BB-4B5448424942 9 >         entityUid  69865200-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033ED 7 >         streamUid  8540C160-FE54-11D7-8002-AA00040033d > J > I don't know what this means, but I  had to shutdown/restart. It occured again=F > and again. I looks like something weird is happening on the network.+ > Can anybody give me a clue to what to do.5- > This concerns a machine with Open VMS 7.1.   >  > Thanks for any helpb > Anders Olsson1  L Had this happen once. Found that the switch port, which was set to auto, wasJ doing duplex while the card was not.  At least when I turned duplex off onJ both and rebooted these messages went  away.  Don't know why it would haveH changed though  unless it  was disconnected or the switch was rebooted.      -- .@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:36:23 +0800d, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well- Message-ID: <87ad82wj94.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:s  Y > In article <vomhgbq2t8hrc1@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:o  D >> And that includes the obvious hacks.  There's a Windows XP systemD >> that claims it's been up for over 11,000 days.  I wonder which isD >> harder, keeping Windows up for that long or getting it to boot in >> 1972!  - >    Oh, you thought Windows could tell time.r  " Of course it can; it is September.     -- p< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:14:17 -0700E1 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@NelsonUSA.com>n6 Subject: Re: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well, Message-ID: <3F8DC6B9.2030901@NelsonUSA.com>   Lord Isildur wrote:0  + > 672 huh? i had an ultrix machine up 673..p  . Well, today it is up to 674 and counting.  :-)  5 What I am especially pleased with is that this is not 8 some machine that only does one tiny job and spends most4 of its time in the idle loop.   At this moment it is/ supporting 33 logged-in users and 42 processes.h  < One of those processes handles 48 small data-entry terminals: in the manufacturing area, keeping track of which employee: is performing which operation on which job.   The ultimate: output from this process is fed (via a mailbox) to another7 one which updates several RMS indexed files used by the/7 interactive applications.   The company depends on thisn; data every day.   So, this is a busy little system and I amh? proud that it only goes down for planned outages (VMS upgrades)-' or power failures that outlast the UPS.e  ? My software development system (AlphaStation 200) has only beenm> up 273 days, and will go down in a few weeks so I can add more memory.    Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:22:09 -0400 - From: David Turner <davidnospam@hpaq_dot_net> = Subject: We still need DS10 systems  2 for 1 Deal Still goingt/ Message-ID: <vorll1qsmfh477@news.supernews.com>o  : We still need a large quantity of Alphaserver DS10 Systems   We offer the following trade:n  2 We provide 2 x DS10L 617Mhz EV67 no memory systems, You provide 1 x DS10 466mhz or 617Mhz system  K We will consider non-working systems also, but the trade will be based on a  One for One offer.   Regardse   -- David B Turnerm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:21:36 -0400a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?o) Message-ID: <3F8D9E3B.B7E79BD6@istop.com>m   William Webb wrote:CB > animation rotation board used by cartoonists since forever. AcmeB > devices invariably malfunctioned in improbable and violent ways.  N Says a lot about a process that is supposed to talk to Microsoft boxes :-) :-)  G However, i disagree about the improbable portion. There was establishede, precedent that all those devices would fail.  J and like the Tweety Bird stories, you knew the predator would always fail.  E In terms of "violent", didn't they have to pull the show because someiO conservative parents complained it was too violent a show to be shown to kids ?s  N The one thing I leared about the Road Runner show is that if you ever run pastA the edge of a cliff, you won't start to fall until you look down.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:28:53 -0500i( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?o0 Message-ID: <00A276C1.E31ADDDF.15@tachysoft.com>  + >From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>b >Organization: nla0:   > F >In terms of "violent", didn't they have to pull the show because someP >conservative parents complained it was too violent a show to be shown to kids ?  J What?  Falling off a 5000 foot cliff and then getting mashed with a 90-ton  boulder?  You call that violent?  O >The one thing I leared about the Road Runner show is that if you ever run pastuB >the edge of a cliff, you won't start to fall until you look down.  M That concept is at the very essence of cartoons and probably predates Wile E.eL by quite a few decades.  Cartoon characters have been pulling that gag sinceM they were in black and white.  Admittedly, Wile E. did it a hell of a lot andt# had a lot of cliffs to choose from.o   WayneeO ===============================================================================oN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   lO ===============================================================================rH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 17:38:52 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?r3 Message-ID: <2Cmlds1qvQ9B@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <JN%ib.559706$Oz4.514074@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:r > In article <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > !oH > !I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell me > !it's purpose. > ? > It is the Authentication and Credential Management authority:. > J > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6539/6539pro_009.html#index_x_190 > N > Authenticates users for OpenVMS and Windows NT.  Apparently used by Advanced > Server for VMS.  > P > Interestingly, it looks as though this server is *not* started by default, yetC > I don't remember enabling it to run.  Time to study the manual...G >   ; Actually, you'd be hard pressed to *not* get it to run.  Inn@ theory, according to SYLOGICALS.COM, defining ACME$TO_BE_STARTED< to be FALSE will keep it from starting.  Startup doesn't pay. attention to the logical as far as I can tell.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2003 21:53:18 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?/3 Message-ID: <7gBXfp+$4UCi@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  j In article <2Cmlds1qvQ9B@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:  = > Actually, you'd be hard pressed to *not* get it to run.  IntB > theory, according to SYLOGICALS.COM, defining ACME$TO_BE_STARTED> > to be FALSE will keep it from starting.  Startup doesn't pay0 > attention to the logical as far as I can tell.  C It did on earlier versions of VMS, when ACME_SERVER was only usefuli! for Microsoft interconnect stuff.o  5 Now ACME_SERVER is the implementation behind SYS$ACM.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:03:48 +0200-5 From: Wilm Boerhout <wboerhoutOLD@PAINTvxcompany.com>-A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disksg* Message-ID: <bmkd11$rkl$1@reader08.wxs.nl>  H Thanks David, for bringing up these issues. You ask the right questions E in my opinion. A few remarks, though, on your last point, me being a -
 proponent:   > K > Such a recurring theme.  Where have we heard that before?  VMS will only  J > work correctly on qualified hardware.  Wonder how the proponents of VMS 3 > on commodity IA-32 understand such a requirement?" >   F Having worked for Digital Services for over 12 years I understand all F about the fine line between "working solutions" and "supported by VMS  Engineering" solutions.f  @ Lets not forget that CHARON-VAX on IA32 (and on Alpha) has been ! certified by HP to be a real VAX.M  ? It (also) comes down to economics. For a given VMS application nH environment, running on VAX hardware has a "Preferability Index" of 100  out of 100. Of course.  H Now when that hardware is no longer maintainable, migrating to Alpha is @ my first choice. When that is not economically feasible, or not C technically possible (sources lost etc.), rewriting for U*X or the aD Windows platform comes to mind. Major costs involved. Also true for . replacing the applications with "standard" sw.  B How 'bout running VMS on a IA-32? Sure, there is *some* risk, but F careful design, a proven replacement VAX (CHARON) and careful testing F wil give you a high Preferability Index. Maybe not 100, but 99 may be A enough for the remaining lifetime of the application environment.u  G This cluster solution is qualified by design, and we're in the process o+ of proving that it is qualified by testing.-  G I really love those VAXen, grew up with them, but I can live with this .D substitute, especially when it's so close to the original. The lady 3 looks much younger, but it's the same nice lady :-)    Wilm  # remove OLD PAINT from reply addressn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:16:44 -0700a+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>dA Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks-' Message-ID: <3F8DE36C.2080101@MMaz.com>c   David Froble wrote:    > Robert Boers wrote:n >@D >> Apart from simplicity, this has a number of advantages, like the 
 >> ability to0H >> use SCSI LUN addressing (that the hardware 3100-98 did not support), 	 >> and wetI >> are running a 112 SCSI drive VAX 3100-98 emulator as a test. Also, theeE >> VAX/VMS drivers work well with modern SCSI drives, and the actual y >> disk I/OcF >> speed with 160 MHz SCSI-3 drives is about 10 times of what the VAX 
 >> 3100-98K >> hardware gives with its SCSI disks (we measured up to 50 MB/sec with theg
 >> emulator).- >-I > When I read/hear such numbers, the first question I ask is about usage hH > in the type of environments I usually work.  Random disk accesses for C > small pieces of data, many times a single 512 byte block.  I can oG > believe that the newer disks are faster, but it's head movement more MB > than transfer speed that limits such activity.  Do you have any  > numbers for such activity?  B I've have posted my experiences regarding Charon, in a production I environment, several times - Specifically old DEC DBMS applications such sG as MRP regens' that use to take 151 minutes (wall clock) dropped to 35 tH minutes.  Sure, a lot of that was an increase in VUP's, but the greater 3 contributor was the increase in the I/O subsystem. .  H Is there something, a test or exercise that you have in mind, where the E bare & raw 512 byte disk I/O matters and will mean something to you? u  G Do you remember the old Digital Review DPM test?  Here are some of the .B summary results of that run on a production Charon system with an F external U160 SCSI RAID array. You can draw your own conclusions, but H IMHO, SRI's Charon-VAX product is remarkable for those of us that still  rely on the VAX architecture:m    3 Digital Review Disk Performance Measurement Utility    % Testing started at: 15-OCT-2003 19:43J     t Test parameters:  r          Device name: $99$DKA504:&         Full device name: _$99$DKA504:#         Capacity (blocks): 16384000          Iterations:  2000s%         Spare sectors per track:    0r$         Data sectors per track:   32%         Total sectors per track:   32b-         Disk rotational speed (rpm): 10000.00a$         Maximum queue processes:  20  g  s Results for the average test:o  h0         Total elapsed time (seconds):     19.9415         Average access time (milliseconds):     9.970      r Results for the overhead test:   '         Starting    Minimum interveningo           sector          sectors'         --------    -------------------s  l               0                15              10                15              20                15  s7         Based on the above results, overhead is between -             2.625 and     2.813 milliseconds..     .! Results for the random read test:l  h$         Kilobytes read:    32578.781)         Elapsed time (seconds):    24.41147         Transfer rate (kilobytes per second):  1334.604:  e  S' Results for the contig_graph read test:b  63         I/O size   Reads   Throughput   Theoretical 3         (kb)       Done    (kb/second)  (kb/second)e3         --------   -----   ----------   -----------0  11              1    10000      374.239      156.863i1              2     5000    16393.441      296.296u1              3     3333    22723.297      421.053 1              4     2500    27027.027      533.333 1              5     2000    32258.064      634.921r1              6     1666    35695.918      727.273s1              7     1428    38446.156      811.594t1              8     1250    43478.262      888.889-1              9     1111    45450.000      960.00081             10     1000    45451.137     1025.641e1             11      909    49990.875     1086.420s1             12      833    49980.000     1142.857t1             13      769    52615.789     1195.402 1             14      714    52610.527     1244.445n1             15      666    55498.984     1290.323i1             16      625    55546.391     1333.333 1             17      588    55533.332     1373.737 1             18      555    58764.707     1411.76531             19      526    55522.219     1447.619 1             20      500    55555.555     1481.482p1             21      476    55524.449     1513.514t1             22      454    55487.902     1543.860_1             23      434    55455.555     1572.650-1             24      416    58729.410     1600.00001             25      400    58823.527     1626.016n1             26      384    55466.664     1650.794e1             27      370    58753.305     1674.419p1             28      357    58800.000     1696.970m1             29      344    55422.219     1718.519s1             30      333    58764.707     1739.130S1             31      322    55455.555     1758.865o1             32      312    55463.707     1777.778o1             33      303    55543.086     1795.918o1             34      294    55533.332     1813.333n1             35      285    55416.664     1830.065h1             36      277    58658.824     1846.154 1             37      270    55499.996     1861.635 1             38      263    55512.047     1876.543e1             39      256    55466.664     1890.909e1             40      250    55555.555     1904.762r1             41      243    55349.996     1918.129i1             42      238    55533.332     1931.034n1             43      232    55419.172     1943.503k1             44      227    55481.766     1955.556 1             45      222    55499.996     1967.213a1             46      217    52536.844     1978.495u1             47      212    55355.555     1989.418,1             48      208    52547.367     2000.000o1             49      204    52601.664     2010.256u1             50      200    52631.578     2020.202o1             51      196    52610.527     2029.851 1             52      192    52547.367     2039.216o1             53      188    52442.105     2048.309e1             54      185    55490.844     2057.143 1             55      181    52394.738     2065.728 1             56      178    55377.777     2074.074e1             57      175    52500.000     2082.192 1             58      172    55422.219     2090.090r1             59      169    55390.504     2097.778 1             60      166    52416.637     2105.263   G [snipped tests 61 to 512 but for the curious, the I/O down fall off to l! about 15MB/sec at 62K block size]e? and the following is the repeat with all read caching disabled:d  ' Results for the contig_graph read test:e  d3         I/O size   Reads   Throughput   Theoretical 3         (kb)       Done    (kb/second)  (kb/second) 3         --------   -----   ----------   -----------   t1              1    10000      419.273      156.863a1              2     5000      891.237      296.296i1              3     3333     1320.832      421.053i1              4     2500     1788.846      533.333 1              5     2000     2114.092      634.921e1              6     1666     2498.919      727.273c1              7     1428     2880.610      811.594 1              8     1250     3472.104      888.889t1              9     1111     3730.835      960.000s1             10     1000     4115.116     1025.641c1             11      909     4503.922     1086.420 1             12      833     4899.844     1142.857u1             13      769     5048.824     1195.402t1             14      714     5345.266     1244.445 1             15      666     5549.799     1290.323c1             16      625     5952.150     1333.333a1             17      588     6326.454     1373.737 1             18      555     6795.618     1411.765>1             19      526     6752.552     1447.619s1             20      500     7407.051     1481.482r1             21      476     7349.821     1513.514 1             22      454     7566.483     1543.860i1             23      434     8049.619     1572.650a1             24      416     8319.727     1600.000o1             25      400     8474.347     1626.01611             26      384     8757.642     1650.794e1             27      370     8919.389     1674.419i1             28      357     9519.701     1696.970y1             29      344     9411.036     1718.519r1             30      333     9605.465     1739.130f1             31      322    10082.492     1758.865d1             32      312    10292.444     1777.778e1             33      303    10415.267     1795.918 1             34      294    10748.018     1813.333v1             35      285    11082.927     1830.065s1             36      277    10387.154     1846.154t1             37      270    11099.593     1861.635h1             38      263    11486.934     1876.543-1             39      256    11885.247     1890.909a1             40      250    12345.630     1904.762 1             41      243    12149.573     1918.12901             42      238    12189.753     1931.034d1             43      232    12165.364     1943.503 1             44      227    12484.500     1955.556i1             45      222    12645.253     1967.213n1             46      217    12797.220     1978.495h1             47      212    13838.274     1989.418u1             48      208    13491.291     2000.000p1             49      204    13327.716     2010.256c1             50      200    13698.330     2020.202M1             51      196    13507.506     2029.851m1             52      192    13866.051     2039.216i1             53      188    13464.864     2048.309 1             54      185    14270.756     2057.143y1             55      181    14220.778     2065.728l1             56      178    15335.073     2074.074n1             57      175    14456.107     2082.192h1             58      172    14457.279     2090.090 1             59      169    15579.143     2097.778h1             60      166    15562.344     2105.263c    J It certainly isn't Galaxy class performance, but we're talking VAX here...   Barryh   -- p  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        l   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.573 ************************ long term support.  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