1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 16 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 574       Contents:% Re: Cannot login DCE on Alpha OpenVMS 3 Re: Convert C file descriptor to VMS channel number ) DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. % Re: Long time until Username prompt ? % Re: Long time until Username prompt ? * Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS Re: nagios plugin for vms * Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd Nostalgy :-)2 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment  Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: PL/1 users, where are you? Re: Port-forwarding FTP + Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ? ) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media ) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media  Re: SIMH3 using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X 7 Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X 7 Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X 7 Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X 7 Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X 
 virtual pages  Re: virtual pages  VMS defeated by wind Re: VMS defeated by wind Re: VMS defeated by wind Re: VMS defeated by wind Re: VMS defeated by wind Re: VMS defeated by wind W2K patches  Re: W2K patches  Re: W2K patches  Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER?8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:35:22 +0200 3 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@hp.nospam.com> . Subject: Re: Cannot login DCE on Alpha OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3f8e6671$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  < "Ghazan Haider" <ghazan@ghazan.haider.name> wrote in message7 news:2f57764a.0310151157.6d9adbef@posting.google.com... G > We have an Alpha OpenVMS server for some ERP software, and I have the A > system login to it. The terminal login works fine, but theres a F > graphic console attached to it showing the DCE login screen. I enterH > the system login and password, and the screen disappears for a second,# > then I get the login screen back.  > H > Is there something like a .initrc file or a security file to allow theH > system to use the windowing system? For any new user, what settings do0 > you have to add to get him running on the DCE?   Hi,   $ check for maxdetach quota in SYSUAF.   This is usal footprint.    Best, Gorazd   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 03 06:15:31 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com < Subject: Re: Convert C file descriptor to VMS channel number( Message-ID: <tkWAAAiybWpG@cpva.saic.com>  ( In article <qnFbR7sKoCMP@cpva.saic.com>,   mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:) > In article <3f86c4a8$1@cpns1.saic.com>, 5 >  Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> writes: I >> I am in the process of making a program written for Unix available on  H >> VMS.  As part of this, I need to write the VMS version of some IOCTL J >> calls.  I'm not allowed to touch what the Unix code hands me (which is J >> an Integer File Descriptor from an open call), nor would modifying the H >> open call be practical since it is all the calls to IOCTL that would . >> need to change, not the result of the open. >>  D >> On Unix, all IOCTL functions use a file descriptor.  On VMS, the K >> functions I need to issue are QIO based and need a channel number.  How  2 >> can I find the channel associcated with the FD? >>   >> Mark Berryman >>  J >> P.S.  DECC$GET_SDC is not a viable answer.  That only works on sockets I >> and I am working with other types of devices (e.g., CDROM, DVD, etc.).  >>   > > > I haven't tested any of this but it may work for you Mark... > D > From the FD you can get the FAB, check out the following URL (it'sH > wrapped so you'll have to paste the lines together) where David MurphyG > provides an example of how to locate all the RMS blocks given a C FD.  > " > http://groups.google.com/groups?: > hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=dpm.867095187%40access4 > D > Then, given the FAB you can check the value stored in FAB$L_STV. AJ > successful $CREATE or a $OPEN will store the IO channel number here. So,E > if the CRTL is using these RMS services and the values haven't been F > disturbed you should find the channel number there. Hope this helps. >   H I was curious about this and so did a bit of testing. The fab$l_stv doesK contain the channel; however, the fab$m_ufo bit is not set in the fab$l_fop I field so the channel is assigned in RMS' exec mode and is unavailable for  use by any user mode code.     --   - Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:35:33 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>2 Subject: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.4 Message-ID: <3f8e909a$0$10435$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  4 My antennas told me that DECUS France may disappear.  H 1. DECUS, afaik, stands for Digital Equipment Computer(s) Users Society.  D 2. a VAX or an Alpha manufactured before the 1st of January 1999 is 0 still a DEC computer (it is even labelled such).  > 3. users of these pre-"merge" systems *are* Digital Equipment  Computer(s) users.  " Why should this society disappear?; HP-Encompasserveinterestwhatever is a HP Customers society. " Both could survive, couldn't they?   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:54:45 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.) Message-ID: <3F8ECD55.32CD1FDA@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > 6 > My antennas told me that DECUS France may disappear.  N When Compaq took over Digital, many individual DECUS chapter, in an attempt toJ suck up to the new owner and portray itself as relevant, decided to changeK names to remove the "Digital specific" nature and make it possible to adopt # tandem (Itug) and compaq customers.    However:F I think that Itug never quite merged fully with what used to be DECUS.P Interex seems to be here to stay and not interested in Digital's legacy productsJ What was once DECUS is now relegated to supporting legacy Digital products$ (PDP, VAX, Alpha,  RSX, VMS, Tru64).  N It would therefore make a lot of sense if all of what used to be DECUS were to2 reunite again under the DECUS name since it would:   -1 unify the world. G   Does anyone know what "canacu" is for ? Does anyone if it has similar J purposes to Encompass ? Does anyone know what countries each operates in ?= DECUS USA and DECUS Canada are far more representative names.   J -2 "DECUS" is far more representative of the remaining membership of thoseM groups. has any chapter truly been succesful at expanding beyond its original  Digital-centric purposes ?  N -3 By focusing on its core competence (Digital products) DECUS can be far moreD relevant to the remaining customers than if it dilutes itself into aL meaningless user group which disenfranchises Digital-centric members becauseH they don't get the contents they want, and doesn't succeed in attracting9 others because it doesn't excell in anything windows etc.   I It is far better to be excellent in one area and attract at least a small N number of very loyal members who will greatly benefit from the user group than4 to be mediocre in many areas and not attract anyone.  H There are plenty of windows user groups. There was only one Digital userK group. Focus back on Digital where DECUS serves a purpose nobody else does. 9 Widnows customers can find support in much better groups.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:43:26 +0200 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> . Subject: Re: Long time until Username prompt ?8 Message-ID: <bmllnb$o3uih$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Mike Naime wrote: + > Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote... 7 >> For some unknown reason, on a specific box, it takes 8 >> over 1 minute from the "connect" in an PC VT emulator; >> until the Username: prompt. After that all seems to have 8 >> "normal" respons times. FTP's run at about 10 Mbit/s. >>1 >> DS10 using the builtin LAN interface on 100Mb.  >> No to very light load. = >> MON SYS shows no (more or less) activity during the delay.  >> Unknown LAN topology. >>7 >> Any sugestions on what the reason to this could be ?  > H > It's a reverse telnet lookup that occurs when you are establishing theE > Telnet session to the VMS box that has done this to me in the past. A > If you look at the routing table, I bet that the node itself is C > listed as a router.  Blow that route away, and I bet your instant  > connection is back again. F > For some reason if there is a network problem, TCPIP services tryiesE > to find other routes out of the system.  It will try the local host 2 > as a router, and adds this to the routing table.  E I'd rather suspect a timeout of the reverse *DNS* lookup (of the PC's # IP address) that is happening here.    cu,    Martin --F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:09:09 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> . Subject: Re: Long time until Username prompt ?' Message-ID: <3F8E6E45.9D95EC06@aaa.com>    Thanks everyone !   5 We have found some "irregularites" in the routing and 6 DNS settings on the VMS box. I seem to remember having2 similiar long access times to deliver smtp mail to1 another VMS box when we had problems with the DNS 1 lookup. In that case it was the nameserver itself  that had problems (NT based...)   / Anyway, I think we have found it, now I have to + "compile" the correct TCPIP commands to fix 1 the problem, send them over to the site via mail, 2 ask the guy there to cut-n-paste them into the VMS3 box and hope that I sent him the right commands :-) 2 If we mess things up so not even he can connect at- all localy, well... I hope he has a console !   9 Due to this problem, I can't connect to the box myself...   	 Jan-Erik.      Martin Vorlaender wrote: >  > Mike Naime wrote: - > > Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote... 9 > >> For some unknown reason, on a specific box, it takes : > >> over 1 minute from the "connect" in an PC VT emulator= > >> until the Username: prompt. After that all seems to have : > >> "normal" respons times. FTP's run at about 10 Mbit/s. > >>3 > >> DS10 using the builtin LAN interface on 100Mb.  > >> No to very light load. ? > >> MON SYS shows no (more or less) activity during the delay.  > >> Unknown LAN topology. > >>9 > >> Any sugestions on what the reason to this could be ?  > > J > > It's a reverse telnet lookup that occurs when you are establishing theG > > Telnet session to the VMS box that has done this to me in the past. C > > If you look at the routing table, I bet that the node itself is E > > listed as a router.  Blow that route away, and I bet your instant  > > connection is back again. H > > For some reason if there is a network problem, TCPIP services tryiesG > > to find other routes out of the system.  It will try the local host 4 > > as a router, and adds this to the routing table. > G > I'd rather suspect a timeout of the reverse *DNS* lookup (of the PC's % > IP address) that is happening here.  >  > cu, 
 >   Martin > --H >   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5 >    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de H >    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/< >    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:52:27 -0400 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>3 Subject: Re: Mapping drives between Winders and VMS , Message-ID: <bmehns$mhf$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>  7 "Denny Rich" <denny.rich@swagelok.com> wrote in message 6 news:d28306e.0310130515.1df3164a@posting.google.com...E > Yes, it is the hobbyist version. (Pretty neat!  I'm licensed to run = > All-in-1 in Hangul, or DECwindows in German, if I want to.)  > , > I'll check on SAMBA. Thanks for the reply. >  > denny  >   	 Hi Denny,   E Just FYI - HP sells a product that turns your OpenVMS system into the K equivalent of an NT v4 file/print server.  It's not free like Samba, though L :o).   Two flavors - PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (for VAXen but runs on Alpha too)J and Advanced Server for OpenVMS (OpenVMS Alpha only).  The SPD (30.50) forA both can be found under the heading "HP Advanced Server v7.3A for  OpenVMS..." at this site:   # http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/spd/   L FWIW, Samba for OVMS has a tool that allows you to "map" to a remote WindowsI "server" (a system running the Server service), but the interface is more I akin to FTP than DOS (ie, you use get and put rather than copy commands). I I've even used this Samba utility on systems with Advanced Server running  (rather than smbd.exe)...    Paul   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2003 09:09:37 -0700& From: trevor_obba@yahoo.co.uk (trevor)" Subject: Re: nagios plugin for vms= Message-ID: <59615909.0310160809.75ce4905@posting.google.com>   o "zakaria Yassine" <zakaria@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<9X2jb.7084$cT6.303658@news20.bellglobal.com>...  > Hello, > G > Instead of plugin, why don't you just use nrpe agent on OpenVMS. I've L > rewriten the agent from nagios.org and it's working fine on our systems. II > can send you the source files (in C) or the image if you don't have a C 0 > compiler. (just let me know your version/arch) > 
 > Zakaria,  D Can you please send me your source files(in C) and image, my openvmsE version is V7.3-1 on alpha processor with a brief intrusion on how to  install and configure it.   2 can you please send it to: trevor_obba@yahoo.co.uk  3 Thanks very much, I am very gratefull for your help    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:50:44 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)3 Subject: Re: New OpenVMS system with no root passwd . Message-ID: <bmm7nk$j0u$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  { hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes in article <Ovijb.7103$AZ3.5859@news.cpqcorp.net> dated Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:56:14 GMT: ^ >In article <bmhs49$2gm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:K >:There's a project called GNV which I intend to build for myself tonight.  M >:The only releases so far are alpha-test, but it does claim to include bash.  > D >  There are solid GNV kits available.  You can download a kit from: >   3 >    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/gnv.html   D My apologies, Hoff.  I was misreading the version number in the PCSIL filename.  Now I just need to borrow the BLISS distribution (I'm dead-set on- building GNV from source before I install).     I BTW, I used "prod extract file *" to get the sources out, and it put them J all in the top-level directory.  Is that expected behavior?  "prod list *" has the directory names.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:19:17 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Nostalgy :-) 4 Message-ID: <3f8e8ccb$0$10421$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  = I just sent mail to someone from my XP box and got that back:    UCX_SMTP@decus.fr wrote:  *  > ---- Transcript of session follows ----  >G  > %%%%%%%%%%%%                   16-OCT-2003 14:20:52.33  %%%%%%%%%%%% 0  > %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user CLAR_DC  > -MAIL-W-WRITEERR, error writing DISK$USERS:[CLAR_D.MAIL]MAIL.MAI %  > -RMS-E-EXT, ACP file extend failed -  > -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota exceeded   F It's so good to see that kind of verbosity in a Windaube PC window :-) Nostalgy, when you hold us...    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2003 06:38:10 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 = Message-ID: <66a00d01.0310160538.60dffe0d@posting.google.com>   t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<b2djb.113617$ko%.68998@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... > I hear an echo here. > ? > Did someone mention advertising in conjunction with VMS?  ;-)  >  > [snip] > M > Hey, now there's an idea....next HP annual meeting...hire PA trucks to park H > outside each entrance to the meeting venue blasting "Shareholders! AskJ > carly(tm) why HP doesn't advertise OpenVMS. It only brings in 20% of the > company's profits."   B How 'bout this: plant someone in the security detail and have them? connect an endless-loop playback to the PA at the shareholder's + meeting and plant the message subliminally:   E Advertise OpenVMS - Advertise OpenVMS - Advertise OpenVMS - Advertise 
 OpenVMS...  D That way, they may think it was their idea and be wholly and totallyC enthusiastic about it. They feel good and believe they're right and  "everybody"'s happy.   Whaddaya think?    -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:56:28 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment) Message-ID: <3F8E4F2A.D587439E@istop.com>    Ken Robinson wrote: , > I put a smaller version of this file up atC > <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg>    Thanks for the ad.  ? Where will this ad be published ? Just some obscrure web page ?   G Also, I got turned off when I saw "Industry Standard". IA64 is far from L reaching such status. Alpha is still more "industry standard" than IA64, and' so is PARisc and SPARC for that matter.   ( Industry standard is measure by volume.   L I would the wording "expected to launch in 2004" most interesting (the small print concerning VMS).    L Shouldn't it have been "expected on IA64 in 2004" ? The wording implies that1 VMS isn't launched yet (hence not yet available).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:29:50 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031016062749.04cfb9b0@mail.patmedia.net>  ' At 03:56 AM 10/16/2003, JF Mezei wrote:  >Ken Robinson wrote:. > > I put a smaller version of this file up atE > > <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg>  >  >Thanks for the ad.  > @ >Where will this ad be published ? Just some obscrure web page ?  I This is what Sue originally posted on the EncompassUS VMS-SIG email list:   A This advert was in New Scientist in the UK dated 11 October 2003.    Ken    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2003 05:34:06 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0310160434.226d950b@posting.google.com>   v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0310151244.476c309e@posting.google.com>... > Folks, > G > There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is a D > 3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a2 > copy please send me mail at my hp email address. >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue     J Where and when will this ad be placed? Or will it be only on the Web site?   Thanks.    Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:26:51 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentK Message-ID: <v0xjb.354250$Lnr1.214191@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Dlylama wrote:0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > news:Fqmjb.206774$3r1.116288@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...H >> Give the guys in OpenVMS Engineering a break - they have a lot to do.D >> However I'm quite sure that they could do with additional fundingC >> and high quality bodies to help out on a number of fronts, which . >> they won't be getting from HP corporate HQ. >>> >> But as far as your hmm goes, any doublespeak from senior HPF >> executives deserves to be treated with a hmm or two if not a raised >> eyebrow.  > @ > Hey, I wasn't on that tact. I realize the technical folks (whoE > remain) are dedicated and savvy. I was looking at it as (o.k. cross E > your fingers and pray) HP management is actually thinking about the > > "AD" word and is seriously considering doing something soon. > E > Man, I hope it's not like a sinking ship! The laborers are patching E > holes, working hard, while the Captain and his elite are navigating / > and doing their best to run the ship aground.   H Using your analogy, IMHO HP management are like the senior officers of aI ship with no watertight doors and with a gaping hole in the bow. They are E busy watching the speedometer to see how fast they can drive the ship J forward while ignoring the fact that the ship is more rapidly filling with# water as a result of their actions.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2003 06:30:59 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment= Message-ID: <66a00d01.0310160530.231954c5@posting.google.com>   u Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> wrote in message news:<6.0.0.22.2.20031015165257.051637e8@mail.patmedia.net>... . > At 04:44 PM 10/15/2003, Sue Skonetski wrote:	 > >Folks,  > > H > >There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is aE > >3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a 3 > >copy please send me mail at my hp email address.  > - > I put a smaller version of this file up at  C > <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg>   < Well, so far, we know the publication name: "New Scientist".  C Ken, can you verify and quote the publication date and page number?   E Sue, et al: O.k. So, it looks like we got exposure in a UK scientific F publication. Not exactly mainstream IT media, but any move off of zero is a start.   A Now, can anyone tell me what it will take to get this ad into the D mainstream IT media? (That's not what I wrote originally, but if I'dB posted that the MIBs would have been at my doorstep by lunchtime.)   -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:32:36 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031016093114.047279f0@mail.patmedia.net>  9 At 09:30 AM 10/16/2003, David J Dachtera wrote (in part): 8 >Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> wrote in message ? >news:<6.0.0.22.2.20031015165257.051637e8@mail.patmedia.net>... 0 > > At 04:44 PM 10/15/2003, Sue Skonetski wrote: > > >Folks,  > > > J > > >There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is aG > > >3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a 5 > > >copy please send me mail at my hp email address.  > > . > > I put a smaller version of this file up atE > > <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg>  > = >Well, so far, we know the publication name: "New Scientist".  > D >Ken, can you verify and quote the publication date and page number?  L No, I just took what Sue posted, made the image smaller and posted it on my 	 web site.    Ken    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2003 13:37:03 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment9 Message-ID: <bmm6tv$oi26k$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   K In article <v0xjb.354250$Lnr1.214191@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > J > Using your analogy, IMHO HP management are like the senior officers of aK > ship with no watertight doors and with a gaping hole in the bow. They are G > busy watching the speedometer to see how fast they can drive the ship L > forward while ignoring the fact that the ship is more rapidly filling with% > water as a result of their actions.  >   A And why should they?  There is a lifeboat waiting (just for them) @ with luxury accomodations, teak woodwork and champagne on ice in@ every compartment.  All the customers are locked in steerage and& are expected to go down with the ship.   bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:54:16 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment8 Message-ID: <8qbtov4vq8o4edriamqagvg19gio3jutag@4ax.com>  M On 16 Oct 2003 06:30:59 -0700, djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) wrote:   v >Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> wrote in message news:<6.0.0.22.2.20031015165257.051637e8@mail.patmedia.net>.../ >> At 04:44 PM 10/15/2003, Sue Skonetski wrote: 
 >> >Folks, >> >I >> >There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is a F >> >3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a4 >> >copy please send me mail at my hp email address. >>  . >> I put a smaller version of this file up at D >> <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg> > = >Well, so far, we know the publication name: "New Scientist".  > D >Ken, can you verify and quote the publication date and page number? > F >Sue, et al: O.k. So, it looks like we got exposure in a UK scientificG >publication. Not exactly mainstream IT media, but any move off of zero  >is a start. > B >Now, can anyone tell me what it will take to get this ad into theE >mainstream IT media? (That's not what I wrote originally, but if I'd C >posted that the MIBs would have been at my doorstep by lunchtime.)   O The 'New Scientist' is a popular science magazine i.e. you will find it on sale J in most good news vendors in the UK. It's far more mainstream than most ITM publications. It would be read by scientists, technologists & intelligent lay P people. I used to have a cheap subscription via the high school that I attended.N It's like a rather more popular 'Scientific American. Check out their web site http://www.newscientist.com/   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2003 10:00:29 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0310160900.3ff25027@posting.google.com>   u Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> wrote in message news:<6.0.0.22.2.20031016062749.04cfb9b0@mail.patmedia.net>... ) > At 03:56 AM 10/16/2003, JF Mezei wrote:  > >Ken Robinson wrote:0 > > > I put a smaller version of this file up atG > > > <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg>  > >  > >Thanks for the ad.  > > B > >Where will this ad be published ? Just some obscrure web page ? > K > This is what Sue originally posted on the EncompassUS VMS-SIG email list:  > C > This advert was in New Scientist in the UK dated 11 October 2003.  >  > Ken   C There exists on the www.hp.com website direct links to all of their D advertising, TV, print, and online.  None of it mentions OpenVMS, asC you may have noticed watching the hp USPS TV commercials or reading > the mainstream HP advertisements.  You have to hit the obscure: "related information" link under the USPS Macromedia FlashE presentation to come to a page that again does not mention OpenVMS in E the body of the material.  However, a link to the OpenVMS homepage is D listed under related links.  So, if one were persistent in trying toB findout exactly which operating system the USPS used, you might be" able to assume that it is OpenVMS.  D My issue is that there is big money being spent on advertising, someD of which specifically mentions other operating systems, but there is< none for OpenVMS.  The non-USA based non-mainstream magazine? advertisement is a beginning, but is still not sufficient in my  opinion.   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:26:44 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment/ Message-ID: <bmmgs3$c67$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > Folks, > G > There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is a D > 3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a2 > copy please send me mail at my hp email address. >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue   F The same advertisment was published in August in Computerworld Polska  (Poland). And... no VMS.   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:57:46 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment) Message-ID: <3F8ECE09.3ECAB484@istop.com>    John Smith wrote: J > Using your analogy, IMHO HP management are like the senior officers of aK > ship with no watertight doors and with a gaping hole in the bow. They are G > busy watching the speedometer to see how fast they can drive the ship L > forward while ignoring the fact that the ship is more rapidly filling with% > water as a result of their actions.   K They are betting their lives that the ship, by going faster, can make it to M port before it is totally sunk. Problem is that by the time it has made it to K port (if it does), the damage will be too great and the ship won't be worth L rescuing. And this assumes that the port will be open and have facilities to fix your ship.  
 (port = IA64)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:29:50 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you? K Message-ID: <i3xjb.354263$Lnr1.320455@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    David Froble wrote:  > John Smith wrote:  >  >> Tom Linden wrote: >>G >>> Most of our PL/I customers aren't on this list, so I have forwarded H >>> Didier's posting to them.  Whether or not they respond, I don't know >>> E >>> I can confirm the previous posting that there a number of defense < >>> related agencies in a number of countries that use PL/I. >>>  >>@ >> To paraphrase Mr. Rogers....HP, can you say "Relatively price@ >> insensitive customer" with relatively large VMS investments?" >>
 >> Sadly not.  >> >>G >> As Tom said, requalifying a compiler on a 'new' platform is a lesser G >> cost to ALL concerned than re-writing and requalifying applications. C >> But HP apparently doesn't care about the expense their customers G >> will incur and the impact those expenses will make in their decision B >> processes about migrating to other vendors. Happy shrinking VMS >> customer base HP. >  > C > It's just more of the same.  We've heard about how much Alpha was < > costing DEC/Compaq.  Not too much was said of the customer@ > investment, which most likely is many times the cost of Alpha.@ > Compaq just didn't seem to care about the harm caused to their@ > customers.  I can understand that to some degree, Compaq beingC > basically a PC company, which doesn't have 'customers', they have D > 'sales'. Customers include certain concepts, like partnership, andE > commitment, and repeat/ongoing business, and long term support.  If @ > all that would have been considered, Alpha would not have beenB > cancelled.  If the perception of the 'customers' would have beenG > considered, there would not have been the cancelling of Alpha until a 1 > valid and competitive alternative was in place.  >  > % >> Not that HP 'Listens' or anything. E >> If they do 'listen' it's only to the voices they hear inside their G >> heads - in psychiatric circles that's called 'delusional', and there E >> is ample evidence with respect to VMS that's what in fact is going  >> on at mangement levels. > F > I have no idea what the problem is at HP.  My concern is that HP, atD > least the enterprise and PC business, is going to be a short livedB > entity.  At one time there were people at HP that understood theD > concept of customer, commitment, and such.  Either the 'new order'A > has purged all of them, or they are being silent to avoid being ? > purged.  Heck, even Dell backpedeled rather quickly on moving B > enterprise support to India.  If the people at the top at HP areD > looking to generate some short term personal gains, and then be onG > their way, I fear that there won't be much left afterward.  As stated G > by many, the type of customers that they will eventually lose are ther! > type that will never come back.  >rC > I'm the type to favor free enterprise, chaos, and such.  But whensG > personally greedy people can work their way to the top and then do so)A > much harm, I'm beginning to see the need for some more control.n >  > Dave    D I think that taking this whole PL/1 discussion thread (inculding theF original bits before the fork) and writing a letter to the HP Board ofK Directors, all the HP executives, and all the Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, I etc... industry analysts and trade publications 'enterprise editors' is aeG good way of illustrating the malaise, sharp lack of customer focus, and D suspect decision making that occurs at the highest levels within HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:43:48 +0200r" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?r4 Message-ID: <3f8e8479$0$10415$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   David Froble wrote:   D > It's just more of the same.  We've heard about how much Alpha was < > costing DEC/Compaq.  Not too much was said of the customer@ > investment, which most likely is many times the cost of Alpha.@ > Compaq just didn't seem to care about the harm caused to their@ > customers.  I can understand that to some degree, Compaq beingC > basically a PC company, which doesn't have 'customers', they have D > 'sales'. Customers include certain concepts, like partnership, andE > commitment, and repeat/ongoing business, and long term support.  Ift@ > all that would have been considered, Alpha would not have beenB > cancelled.  If the perception of the 'customers' would have beenG > considered, there would not have been the cancelling of Alpha until ai1 > valid and competitive alternative was in place.C  I David, this is one of the nicest posts I ever read in this forum. Thanks.>   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:29:33 -04003< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>' Subject: Re: PL/1 users, where are you?I9 Message-ID: <bmmdgu$oh2tv$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>f   Larry Kilgallen wrote:= > In article <3f8d9f73$0$27033$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didierr Morandiy > <no@spam.com> writes:a >> >> Larry Kilgallen wrote:s >>8 >>> In article <3f8d19aa$0$10422$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi >>> <no@spam.com> writes:f >>>o0 >>>> TWO people interested in PL/1 among all you >>>> readers?????????????????  >>>  >>>a: >>> You may have an inappropriately optimistic view of how many peopleu9 >>> participate in comp.os.vms.  Certainly there are some 
 people who >>> participate a _lot_. >>4 >> Subliminal message: I'm a bit noisy these days... >u> > Well, me too.  But don't mistake the volume of either of our posts * > for large numbers of c.o.v participants.  . That got me curious, so I took a quick look at7 http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ (warning: Severe > JavaScript Site). In August (the latest month they posted data< for) there were 446 people who posted in COV, of that number- 202 also posted at least one message in July.   > But there was one person who posted at least one message a day< for 24 days, of the 40 most active posters (according to the= number of days they posted) the same person posted 23.7% more < messages than the second highest person and touched 25% more> threads. If I would have taken a guess who would have been the= most active poster I would have guessed at least half a dozen < other names before even thinking of this person. Think about< it for a second or two then take a look below my sig for the answer.    -- r Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.a Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXr www.weaverconsulting.caa  ; And the most active poster (ranked by number of days active > and possibly by number of posts and number of threads touched)3 in COV for the month of August was: Larry Kilgallene   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2003 13:57:57 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis)  Subject: Re: Port-forwarding FTP: Message-ID: <bmm855$7t2$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  K In article <bmhj8k$d2u$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>  writes:o   >Michael T. Davis wrote: >> 	We are now running...f >>B >>   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 26 >>   on a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2-2 >>L >> We only recently upgraded from TCPIP v5.1 and OpenVMS 7.2-1.  We are also# >> running David Jones' SSH server.  >>D >> 	Until the upgrade, I had been establishing FTP sessions with ourJ >> server that had the control channel port-forwarded via SSH and the dataN >> channel was left to pass packets in the clear via a passive connection.  OnO >> the remote (client) side, I've been using CYGWIN's SSH implementation, which0I >> is basically a port of OpenSSH.  The FTP client would be configured tomI >> establish passive transfer with the server and the SSH client would bey$ >> invoked with something like this: >>= >>                       ssh -L 21:<server-IP>:21 <server-IP>t >s >s> >The command is a bit wrong. It should be something like this: > $ >ssh -L2222:localhost:21 <server-IP> >tM >Localhost is IP number 127.0.0.1 as you will know, and 2222 is 'just' a port  >number you can choose.s  F         If your concern is over the intervening space between "-L" andL "21:...", it has not proved to be a problem (at least under CYGWIN).  What'sJ more, there's no reason for me to use a different local port number, sinceJ the client side doesn't have a FTP server and I'm running under an accountI with administrative access.  Finally, localhost doesn't typically work asrM the target of the "-L" option when you're trying to port-forward passive FTP;nH you have to use the remote system's IP address or host name.  (At least,M that was necessary under TCP/IP Services v5.1.)  Regardless, no specificationaK of "localhost", remote server IP (or host name), or even client IP (or hosta! name) seems to help matters, now.    >e? > From the client you have to start your ftp session like this:o >  >ftp localhost 2222   .         ...Or, in my case, "ftp localhost 21."  H         It seems that the engineers have addressed a security concern inH TCP/IP Services for VMS v5.3 that was left open under v5.1.  I have seenG reference to this problem under other operating systems and FTP serversgJ as I was researching this issue via Google.  In some cases, the FTP serverF can be coerced to override the source check on the data stream, but as> far as I can tell, the FTP server under TCP/IP Services can't.   >EA >By the way, TCP/IP  V5.4 will have SSH as a standard part of the" > distribution.e, >I'm trying the file test version right now.  K         That sounds interesting.  Does it support SSH levels 1 (1.5) and 2?iG (As you may know, Dave Jones' server only support level 1 [1.5].)  Doesc it include a SSH client?   >>J >> Now, the command connection still manages to connect, but my FTP clientO >> (WS_FTP) now reports the following problem after I connect, in response to ae$ >> directory listing (LIST) request: >>7 >> 425 Disallowing data connection for <client-IP>,4523' >>N >> (4523 is the randomly assigned client-side data port.)  A direct connection > to6 >> our FTP server is completely successful, as always. >>G >> 	Researching port-forwarding FTP in general, I discovered that neweraL >> FTP servers may not allow the above scenario to work.  In particular, theM >> FTP server checks to see what the source of the control connection is, and D >> if it's different from the address specified as the client's data
 > connection,-O >> the server denies the request.  This would seem to describe the behavior I'miL >> seeing.  In particular, since the control connection is forwarded via theO >> server's IP address ("<server-IP>"), this is the address that the FTP servereN >> sees as the control connection source address, not "<client-IP>".  As such,K >> the FTP server denies the data request.  If this is what's happening, ismI >> there any way to work around this restriction, apart from using eithero >> "direct FTP" or SCP/SFTP? >>[...]    Regards, Mike --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSEMN   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:03:24 -0400l* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: Seeing settings of interface from VMS ?) Message-ID: <3F8E50CA.BE903EA7@istop.com>i   Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz wrote:  >  > /PARAMETER works for VAX.P  N I stand corrected. On VAX, LANCP> HELP SHOW DEV /CHAR does indicate "On Alpha, same as /PARAMETER qualifer".d    J However, on VAX, not much information is displayed. Not even the etherenet speed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:53:59 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media4 Message-ID: <3f8ea2fd$0$10421$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  
 ECO level x+1p  H I was talking about "licences", of course, not software. I did purchase I my Hobbyist CD as everyone did. Please accept my apologies, those of you  , who were shocked or confused (or jalous? :-)  I However, I heard that these CDs are no more sold by Montagar and that we m- may use the regular HP "condist" CDs instead.    D.   Didier Morandi wrote:  ../..oE > I support the idea. Since two years (2) I never succeeded to get a sH > single piece of software from Montagar with my (supposed to be) valid  > DECUS nr :-(4 > Fortunately, I only use my FORTRAN 77 compiler :-) >  > D.7 > ----------------------------------------------------- 7 > Support the OpenVMS promotion, add an ad on your sitem' >             http://blagnac.dyndns.org 8 > ------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:18:14 -0400t& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media8 Message-ID: <44htov4e9t0e4b7uje4uecb4sv6tg3egbp@4ax.com>  L On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:19:19 -0400, Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com> wrote:  B >The term "condist" has been around for many years...it is a shortF >form of "consolidated distribution". I don't know if Compaq or HP use9 >or used it, but DEC certainly did at least colloquially.U >n  P The current name is (I believe) Software Products Library, or SPL for short. See the home page on the web at>   	http://www1.aclabs.com/I -------------------------------------------------------------------------mI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)aI -------------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:34:47 +0200l" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: SIMH 4 Message-ID: <3f8e825c$0$10436$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  , I ran the exec I found in the download area.E What should I do to "build" it? Learn Windows app dev? You are in ther2 wrong forum and talking to the wrong person... ;-)   D.   Tim Llewellyn wrote:  @ > Did you build it yourself on your machine or use a precompiled
 > version? > G > I went thru setting up Mingw and compiling on my w98se box earlier inn# > the year, its not that difficult.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:35:55 -0500r( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>< Subject: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X/ Message-ID: <00A27762.2041E906.1@tachysoft.com>   O Is anybody successfully doing this?  I have a 23-inch Cinema Display on my mac,oO which is running OS X 10.2.8, and I would like to route windows from all my vms:M systems onto it, as I am currently doing with a vrc21.  I downloaded X11 fromhM the mac website, (X11 beta 3 - Xfree86 4.2.1), and have it running, but can'te connect from the vms system.  + $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=fatty/TRANS=TCPIP.C $ CREATE/TERMINAL=DECTERM/little_font/detached/APPLICATION_KEYPAD -d 	/LINE_EDITING/insert -t'         /WINDOW=(TITLE="HARPO::WAYNE",-o+                  ICON_NAME="HARPO::WAYNE",-  		 INIT=WINDOW,-%                  background="green",-y. 		 X_POSITION = 10 , Y_POSITION = 80 ,ROWS=24)+ %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display  $ exit 1    7 This command procedure works with exceed on a billybox.     N I assume the problem is authorization.  With decwindows, you have to authorizeI specific nodes and/or users in the session manager before they can create. windows.  O However, I cannot see how to do this with with X11 as implemented on OS X.  ThehM preferences Security panel speaks of Xauthority access-control keys, but doeseM not tell you how to set them up, or how to authorize specific nodes.  I can'tn< find anything in the motif documentation about xauthority.    I I found a xauth man page, which appears to be how the .xauthority file is J created, but it talks about setting up server nodes with magic cookies and< says nothing about how the client nodes connect with them.    G I thought it might be a kerebros thing, but couldn't see anything aboutm x-windows there.  N I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about the raw unix x-windowsN implementation, but there must be something I can do from the vms side to make these connections work.    WaynetO ===============================================================================yN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   lO ===============================================================================aH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"c   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2003 17:01:30 GMT: From: Herbert Stoeri <stoeri@iap-dot-tuwien-dot-ac-dot-at>@ Subject: Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X: Message-ID: <20031016190130401+0200@newsgate.tuwien.ac.at>  H The only way i got working is tunnelling x-window through secure shell (? SSH). There is a free secure shell Level 1 server by Dave JonesO  , http://er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu/~jonesd/ssh/  ' This works fine for me. Just tested it.r   Start X11 on the mac in a xterm on the Mac type:d   % ssh -X yourhosto	 password:m .. .. $ cre/term=decterm  I Unfortunately, the HP ssh2 early adopter kit has port and X11 forwarding T7 disabled. in TCPIP 5.4 it should be available, however.t  	 Greetings    Herbert/  ; In <00A27762.2041E906.1@tachysoft.com> Wayne Sewell  wrote:  | G | Is anybody successfully doing this?  I have a 23-inch Cinema Display tE | on my mac, which is running OS X 10.2.8, and I would like to route rH | windows from all my vms systems onto it, as I am currently doing with I | a vrc21.  I downloaded X11 from the mac website, (X11 beta 3 - Xfree86 cE | 4.2.1), and have it running, but can't connect from the vms system.  | - | $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=fatty/TRANS=TCPIPoE | $ CREATE/TERMINAL=DECTERM/little_font/detached/APPLICATION_KEYPAD -- | 	/LINE_EDITING/insert -c) |         /WINDOW=(TITLE="HARPO::WAYNE",-i- |                  ICON_NAME="HARPO::WAYNE",-- | 		 INIT=WINDOW,-' |                  background="green",-a0 | 		 X_POSITION = 10 , Y_POSITION = 80 ,ROWS=24)- | %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open displayt
 | $ exit 1 |  | 9 | This command procedure works with exceed on a billybox.2 |  | G | I assume the problem is authorization.  With decwindows, you have to LF | authorize specific nodes and/or users in the session manager before  | they can create windows.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:05:57 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>@ Subject: Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X) Message-ID: <3F8ECFF4.B028DCC1@istop.com>0   Wayne Sewell wrote:k- > $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=fatty/TRANS=TCPIPI9 > This command procedure works with exceed on a billybox.0  J Did you change the node name in your command procedure to point to the mac instead of wintel ?b :-) :-) :-)o  Q > However, I cannot see how to do this with with X11 as implemented on OS X.  TheoO > preferences Security panel speaks of Xauthority access-control keys, but does,O > not tell you how to set them up, or how to authorize specific nodes.  I can'td< > find anything in the motif documentation about xauthority.  1 I suspect this may have something to do with XDM.o  H XDM is a protocol that allows a X server to establish a session with a XK client. (eg: x terminal to VMS). This will result in the VMS host opening at login window on your display.   F What your command procedure does is simply directl;y open a winow on aD display. If the display is in XDM mode, it may not be accepting such0 connections until XDM has completed handshaking.  K > I found a xauth man page, which appears to be how the .xauthority file is L > created, but it talks about setting up server nodes with magic cookies and< > says nothing about how the client nodes connect with them.  : magic cookies are specific to XDM, not to opening windows.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:16 +0000 (UTC)p From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk@ Subject: Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X) Message-ID: <bmmkfg$nae$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>j  J In article <bmmj6m$mu9$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:[ >In article <00A27762.2041E906.1@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:  >>Q >>Is anybody successfully doing this?  I have a 23-inch Cinema Display on my mac,iQ >>which is running OS X 10.2.8, and I would like to route windows from all my vmslO >>systems onto it, as I am currently doing with a vrc21.  I downloaded X11 fromcO >>the mac website, (X11 beta 3 - Xfree86 4.2.1), and have it running, but can't  >>connect from the vms system. >>- >>$ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=fatty/TRANS=TCPIP-E >>$ CREATE/TERMINAL=DECTERM/little_font/detached/APPLICATION_KEYPAD -i >>	/LINE_EDITING/insert -t) >>        /WINDOW=(TITLE="HARPO::WAYNE",-e- >>                 ICON_NAME="HARPO::WAYNE",-b >>		 INIT=WINDOW,-' >>                 background="green",-o0 >>		 X_POSITION = 10 , Y_POSITION = 80 ,ROWS=24)- >>%DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display.
 >>$ exit 1 >> >>9 >>This command procedure works with exceed on a billybox.  >> >>P >>I assume the problem is authorization.  With decwindows, you have to authorizeK >>specific nodes and/or users in the session manager before they can createw
 >>windows. >>Q >>However, I cannot see how to do this with with X11 as implemented on OS X.  TheOO >>preferences Security panel speaks of Xauthority access-control keys, but doesRO >>not tell you how to set them up, or how to authorize specific nodes.  I can'tn> >>find anything in the motif documentation about xauthority.   >> >mP >Have you tried xhost ? This is the default authentication method for X on Unix.M >Can't guarantee it will work on Mac OS X but it would be the first thing I'dl >try.t > & Just checked with my local Mac expert.   He pointed me to s  0 http://www.bu.edu/pcsc/unixlinux/macosxxwin.html  ( which shows how to use xhost on MAC OS X  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University        ! >From the MAN pages on a SUN box - >-B >User Commands                                            xhost(1) >o >NAME 1 >     xhost - server access control program for Xg >D	 >SYNOPSIS4 >     xhost [[+-]name ...] >. >DESCRIPTIONB >     The xhost program is used to add and delete  host  names  orB >     user  names to the list allowed to make connections to the XB >     server.  In the case of hosts, this provides  a  rudimentaryB >     form of privacy control and security.  It is only sufficientB >     for a workstation (single  user)  environment,  although  itB >     does  limit  the  worst  abuses.  Environments which requireB >     more sophisticated measures should implement the  user-basedB >     mechanism or use the hooks in the protocol for passing other( >     authentication data to the server. >t >Try t >  >xhost + >eJ >on the MAC to start with just to see whether it solves the problem. This P >allows anyone to direct their X display at your system (the default for most PC >X servers). >  >If it works then turn it offi >s >xhost - >.0 >and try explicitly allowing just the VMS system >  >xhost +nodename   > & >so as to have at least some security. >d >David Webbe >VMS and Unix team leaderh >CCSSt >Middlesex Universityd >  >s >  >rK >>I found a xauth man page, which appears to be how the .xauthority file iswL >>created, but it talks about setting up server nodes with magic cookies and> >>says nothing about how the client nodes connect with them.   >>I >>I thought it might be a kerebros thing, but couldn't see anything aboutr >>x-windows there. >>P >>I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about the raw unix x-windowsP >>implementation, but there must be something I can do from the vms side to make >>these connections work.6 >> >>Wayne@Q >>===============================================================================:P >>Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com= >>http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   HQ >>=============================================================================== J >>Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."3 >>   Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"t   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:06:30 +0000 (UTC)j From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk@ Subject: Re: using x-windows to display vms decterms on Mac OS X) Message-ID: <bmmj6m$mu9$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   Z In article <00A27762.2041E906.1@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes: >yP >Is anybody successfully doing this?  I have a 23-inch Cinema Display on my mac,P >which is running OS X 10.2.8, and I would like to route windows from all my vmsN >systems onto it, as I am currently doing with a vrc21.  I downloaded X11 fromN >the mac website, (X11 beta 3 - Xfree86 4.2.1), and have it running, but can't >connect from the vms system.h >1, >$ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=fatty/TRANS=TCPIPD >$ CREATE/TERMINAL=DECTERM/little_font/detached/APPLICATION_KEYPAD - >	/LINE_EDITING/insert -( >        /WINDOW=(TITLE="HARPO::WAYNE",-, >                 ICON_NAME="HARPO::WAYNE",- >		 INIT=WINDOW,-K& >                 background="green",-/ >		 X_POSITION = 10 , Y_POSITION = 80 ,ROWS=24)0, >%DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display	 >$ exit 13 >u >k8 >This command procedure works with exceed on a billybox. >  > O >I assume the problem is authorization.  With decwindows, you have to authorizesJ >specific nodes and/or users in the session manager before they can create	 >windows.d >sP >However, I cannot see how to do this with with X11 as implemented on OS X.  TheN >preferences Security panel speaks of Xauthority access-control keys, but doesN >not tell you how to set them up, or how to authorize specific nodes.  I can't= >find anything in the motif documentation about xauthority.  , >d  O Have you tried xhost ? This is the default authentication method for X on Unix.-L Can't guarantee it will work on Mac OS X but it would be the first thing I'd try.    From the MAN pages on a SUN box   A User Commands                                            xhost(1).   NAME0      xhost - server access control program for X   SYNOPSIS      xhost [[+-]name ...]h   DESCRIPTIONoA      The xhost program is used to add and delete  host  names  orhA      user  names to the list allowed to make connections to the XgA      server.  In the case of hosts, this provides  a  rudimentaryoA      form of privacy control and security.  It is only sufficienteA      for a workstation (single  user)  environment,  although  itlA      does  limit  the  worst  abuses.  Environments which requireaA      more sophisticated measures should implement the  user-basedkA      mechanism or use the hooks in the protocol for passing other '      authentication data to the server.o   Try    xhost +.  I on the MAC to start with just to see whether it solves the problem. This  O allows anyone to direct their X display at your system (the default for most PCn X servers).i   If it works then turn it off   xhost -   / and try explicitly allowing just the VMS system-   xhost +nodename  -  % so as to have at least some security.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University  e      J >I found a xauth man page, which appears to be how the .xauthority file isK >created, but it talks about setting up server nodes with magic cookies andb= >says nothing about how the client nodes connect with them.  2 >0H >I thought it might be a kerebros thing, but couldn't see anything about >x-windows there.  >>O >I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about the raw unix x-windowstO >implementation, but there must be something I can do from the vms side to make> >these connections work. >  >WayneP >===============================================================================O >Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.comw< >http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   P >===============================================================================I >Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."a2 >   Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:20:17 GMTo# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>o Subject: virtual pages> Message-ID: <lWwjb.145563$Of2.4188922@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  G I think I have figured it out, but I would like to verify that SHO PROC.I /CONT displays virutal size in 8k pages where SHO PROC/CONT displays Peak  Virtual Size in 512 Byte pages.l  I Also, I am using an old DCL program off of DSN that shows yet a differente
 number for  J $SHO PROC/CONT  shows a certain processes as having   30,951 virtual pagesF $SHO PROC/ACC shows a peak virtual size of 495,472 pages  (consecutive4 displays shows continuously increasing peak numbers)L The DCL proc SHOQUOTA.COM (from DSN) shows currently used page file quota asB being 319,392 (This is the one I am still not sure how to explain)  D Our programmers are trying to patch a batch of memory leaks and I am$ helping them monitor their progress.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:23:01 GMT0# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>e Subject: Re: virtual pages> Message-ID: <VYwjb.145584$Of2.4189392@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  9 I guess I should have mentioned that this is on VMS 7.3-1/  . "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message8 news:lWwjb.145563$Of2.4188922@twister.tampabay.rr.com...I > I think I have figured it out, but I would like to verify that SHO PROC K > /CONT displays virutal size in 8k pages where SHO PROC/CONT displays PeakS! > Virtual Size in 512 Byte pages.  >3K > Also, I am using an old DCL program off of DSN that shows yet a differento > number for >sL > $SHO PROC/CONT  shows a certain processes as having   30,951 virtual pagesH > $SHO PROC/ACC shows a peak virtual size of 495,472 pages  (consecutive6 > displays shows continuously increasing peak numbers)K > The DCL proc SHOQUOTA.COM (from DSN) shows currently used page file quotae asD > being 319,392 (This is the one I am still not sure how to explain) > F > Our programmers are trying to patch a batch of memory leaks and I am& > helping them monitor their progress. >x >l >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:51:15 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: VMS defeated by wind ) Message-ID: <3F8E4DF1.1DF32707@istop.com>o  K Tonight,  VMS , the supposedly unstoppable operating system was defeated byr$ wind. It took 8 hours to boot again.  J Shirley VMS should be able to widthstand a 20cm diameter twig falling on a. power line and bringing down 3 poles with it ?  L I think that the VMS engineers have overlooked something in their code.  VMS9 is too important to be defeated by a mere twig... :-) :-)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:42:57 +0100a* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by windo' Message-ID: <bmm05k$svb$1@lore.csc.com>e   JF Mezei wrote:  > M > Tonight,  VMS , the supposedly unstoppable operating system was defeated byr& > wind. It took 8 hours to boot again. > L > Shirley VMS should be able to widthstand a 20cm diameter twig falling on a0 > power line and bringing down 3 poles with it ? > N > I think that the VMS engineers have overlooked something in their code.  VMS; > is too important to be defeated by a mere twig... :-) :-)o  @ Well, I know you're a sceptic of the Itanium, however the serverA platform is capable of having multiple power supplies, powered bye" _different_ (or unrelated) phases.  E Which begs the question, will VMS have a DCL command to switch on/offhD and select power supplies, based on the (different) power companies'$ current rate for the electricity ;-)   -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:50:32 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by windh' Message-ID: <3F8E8608.3DF012C2@aaa.com>o   Nic Clews wrote: > G > Which begs the question, will VMS have a DCL command to switch on/off:F > and select power supplies, based on the (different) power companies'& > current rate for the electricity ;-)  > And the rates should of course be automaticly fetched from the? power companies web sites and the switching beeing automated...>   :-)o  	 Jan-Erik.I   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2003 09:29:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by windh3 Message-ID: <i9FnFuluZp11@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  T In article <bmm05k$svb$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:n >> sN >> Tonight,  VMS , the supposedly unstoppable operating system was defeated by' >> wind. It took 8 hours to boot again.  >> aM >> Shirley VMS should be able to widthstand a 20cm diameter twig falling on an1 >> power line and bringing down 3 poles with it ?s >> >O >> I think that the VMS engineers have overlooked something in their code.  VMS < >> is too important to be defeated by a mere twig... :-) :-) > B > Well, I know you're a sceptic of the Itanium, however the serverC > platform is capable of having multiple power supplies, powered byo$ > _different_ (or unrelated) phases. > G > Which begs the question, will VMS have a DCL command to switch on/offlF > and select power supplies, based on the (different) power companies'& > current rate for the electricity ;-)  C If one company fails, however, you will wish that command had set aC% priority rather than an on/off state.'  D But probably nobody has sufficient power companies available to themC for this to be a justification for adding floating point to DCL :-)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:20:20 -0400e( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by winds, Message-ID: <3F8EC544.4090105@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   M > Tonight,  VMS , the supposedly unstoppable operating system was defeated byt& > wind. It took 8 hours to boot again. > L > Shirley VMS should be able to widthstand a 20cm diameter twig falling on a0 > power line and bringing down 3 poles with it ? > N > I think that the VMS engineers have overlooked something in their code.  VMS; > is too important to be defeated by a mere twig... :-) :-)  >   N Well, I'd contend that it's not a VMS problem.  If the power company had used Q more robust poles and wire the 'twig' would have been less successful.  Building p6 a shelter over the lines would also have been prudent.  N However, a more farsighted power company would have buried lines with backhoe % stopping reinforced concrete linings.u  $ Sure, blame VMS for everything.  :-)   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadp Vanderbilt, PA  15486y   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:21:26 -0400'( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by windy, Message-ID: <3F8EC586.1050307@tsoft-inc.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:I   > Nic Clews wrote: > G >>Which begs the question, will VMS have a DCL command to switch on/offeF >>and select power supplies, based on the (different) power companies'& >>current rate for the electricity ;-) >> > @ > And the rates should of course be automaticly fetched from theA > power companies web sites and the switching beeing automated...t >  > :-)  >  > Jan-Erik.t >   2 Will the power companies charge for rate inquries?   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roads Vanderbilt, PA  15486e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:36:03 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e Subject: W2K patches9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEEJIEAA.tom@kednos.com>   G I saw a news story this morning that MS had announced 5 new patches andhJ they further stated that in the future they were going to post new patches/ on the first Tuesday or Wednesday of each monthp  + The 5 patches pretty much read the same ...'  5 Security Update for Microsoft Windows 2000 (KB828035)u! Download size: 343 KB, < 1 minuteiD A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker toH remotely compromise a computer running Microsoft Windows 2000 and gainJ complete control over it. You can help protect your computer by installingH this update from Microsoft. After you install this item, you may have to  restart your computer. Read more ---a& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:47:09 +0000 (UTC)s From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: W2K patches) Message-ID: <bmmi2d$mc7$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>r  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEEJIEAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:tH >I saw a news story this morning that MS had announced 5 new patches andK >they further stated that in the future they were going to post new patches>0 >on the first Tuesday or Wednesday of each month >r  M Yes, Microsoft's great idea. People are complaining about how frequently theytL have to patch Microsoft systems. So Microsoft decide they will only release  patches once a month.    See   K http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security  /bulletin/revsbwp.aspn  > They claim this is in response to extensive customer feedback.H I don't know who the hell they talked to but I'd much rather know about E vulnerabilities, workarounds and patches at the earliest opportunity.S    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      , >The 5 patches pretty much read the same ... >a6 >Security Update for Microsoft Windows 2000 (KB828035)" >Download size: 343 KB, < 1 minuteE >A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker tooI >remotely compromise a computer running Microsoft Windows 2000 and gainpK >complete control over it. You can help protect your computer by installinghI >this update from Microsoft. After you install this item, you may have to ! >restart your computer. Read moreo >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.t; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eA >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003O >A   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2003 12:30:37 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r Subject: Re: W2K patches3 Message-ID: <bnSk4y4K9inw@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  J In article <bmmi2d$mc7$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes:a > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEEJIEAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:sI >>I saw a news story this morning that MS had announced 5 new patches andkL >>they further stated that in the future they were going to post new patches1 >>on the first Tuesday or Wednesday of each month  >> > O > Yes, Microsoft's great idea. People are complaining about how frequently they N > have to patch Microsoft systems. So Microsoft decide they will only release  > patches once a month.  >  > See  > M > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/securityi > /bulletin/revsbwp.asp  > @ > They claim this is in response to extensive customer feedback.J > I don't know who the hell they talked to but I'd much rather know about G > vulnerabilities, workarounds and patches at the earliest opportunity.m >   8 	Overheard a conversation that runs along these lines...  ; 	"I'm sick of it, I'm recommending we don't put anything onh
 	Windows."  H 	"You mean to tell me we should cluster everything , twice the licenses, 	twice the patches?  h  9 	"We cluster so we can failover?  That's how you maintain < 	application availability?  That's your idea of Enterprise?"   ---s  F 	I know folks that have had to reboot servers after patching twice in 5 	the last two weeks and now will have to do it again.   @ 	So yes, I bet it is customer feedback driven - very much so.  IA 	know some very angry folks.  Can't speak for them but I'd assumeW9 	(at this point) they'd much rather have it all melt downr5 	totally instead of *wasting* their lives (literally)a9 	in a never-ending patch/boot/patch/boot/patch/boot cyclen> 	on many servers.  Ask around, it is the same thing with a lot6 	of Weendoze folks.  It wasn't ever funny - now it is  	disgusting (patch/boot).o  C 	Problem is the window is open wide.  All the virus writers have to F 	do is turn around in less than a month and suddenly you have a patch B 	cycle that doesn't line up.  I'll bet that the once a month thingD 	gets tossed out the window the first time the viri folks do a quickF 	turnaround on a nice wormy and the patch cycle isn't due for 10 days.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:45:32 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?a) Message-ID: <3F8E4C9A.406992AE@istop.com>e   The real question should be:  D Did the VMS engineers show they were significantly influenced by theK RoadRunner show in their life when they named it the ACME_SERVER instead ofu ACM_SERVER ???????  M If only the owner of VMS were as agressive in trying to get new VMS customers J as the Coyote was trying to get the Roadrunner.  HP ranks D- for marketing5 effort. Coyote ranks A+ for effort (and persistance).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:00:32 -0400)* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?e) Message-ID: <3F8E501E.C8DB1825@istop.com>    Marty Kuhrt wrote:= > Actually, you'd be hard pressed to *not* get it to run.  IneB > theory, according to SYLOGICALS.COM, defining ACME$TO_BE_STARTED> > to be FALSE will keep it from starting.  Startup doesn't pay0 > attention to the logical as far as I can tell.  G Ahhh, the advantages of being on VAX. We don't have to worry about ACMEo> starting up since ACME isn't available for VAX :-( :-( :-( :-(   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2003 05:16 CDT . From: carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?P4 Message-ID: <16OCT200305162588@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>  l In article <2Cmlds1qvQ9B@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes...g }In article <JN%ib.559706$Oz4.514074@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:ns }> In article <OF90ADDAF3.8CAF1DF0-ON85256DBF.007621DE-85256DBF.00765CF2@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:F }> !I }> !I do not recognize this server process.  Would someone please tell me  }> !it's purpose.P }> e@ }> It is the Authentication and Credential Management authority: }> aK }> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6539/6539pro_009.html#index_x_190F }> rO }> Authenticates users for OpenVMS and Windows NT.  Apparently used by Advanced  }> Server for VMS. }> iQ }> Interestingly, it looks as though this server is *not* started by default, yetCD }> I don't remember enabling it to run.  Time to study the manual... }> n } < }Actually, you'd be hard pressed to *not* get it to run.  InA }theory, according to SYLOGICALS.COM, defining ACME$TO_BE_STARTED1= }to be FALSE will keep it from starting.  Startup doesn't payo/ }attention to the logical as far as I can tell.   6 It is checked in SYS$STARTUP:ACME$STARTUP.COM like so:  4 $ ! Return 3 if the ACME Server is not to be started $ !XD $ ! ACME$TO_BE_STARTED is the basic control from the system manager.D $ ! Absent a negative directive, starting the ACME Server is allowedB $ ! if requested by a facility which depends upon it and indicates, $ ! that by invoking this command procedure. $ ! G $ ! This is first to be most efficient in case of multiple invocations.a $ !i3 $ IF F$TRNLNM("ACME$TO_BE_STARTED") .NES. "" THEN -$0   IF .NOT. F$TRNLNM("ACME$TO_BE_STARTED") THEN -   EXIT 3   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:03:10 +0200o$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI diskse9 Message-ID: <bmmj9m$nto2l$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>t  + On 2003-10-15 23:03, "Wilm Boerhout" wrote:i  J > Thanks David, for bringing up these issues. You ask the right questions G > in my opinion. A few remarks, though, on your last point, me being a o > proponent: > L >> Such a recurring theme.  Where have we heard that before?  VMS will only K >> work correctly on qualified hardware.  Wonder how the proponents of VMS -4 >> on commodity IA-32 understand such a requirement? >  > [...]  > D > How 'bout running VMS on a IA-32? Sure, there is *some* risk, but "                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^H > careful design, a proven replacement VAX (CHARON) and careful testing H > wil give you a high Preferability Index. Maybe not 100, but 99 may be C > enough for the remaining lifetime of the application environment.n >  > [...]2  C "VMS on IA-32" isn't the problem, but "Charon-VAX on *Windows*" ...    Michaelc   --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.s@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.n= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)r   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.574 ************************