1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 18 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 578       Contents: RE: Clustering over GB Switches % Re: c|net Article on new AlphaServers % Re: c|net Article on new AlphaServers % Re: c|net Article on new AlphaServers @ Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities?! Re: Error installing JRE V1.4.1-2 ! Re: Error installing JRE V1.4.1-2 @ Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS@ Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS@ Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS Re: nagios plugin for vms $ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? Prove this wrong!!!!) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media  Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? [~OT] Last _production_ VAX   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:31:41 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ( Subject: RE: Clustering over GB SwitchesR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCB6@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>  @ >      I am really a novice with network switches etc., so if=20< > anyone can give me some guidelines on how the GB switch=20B > and/or ports should be configured, I would really appreciate it. >=20 > Dave Baxter. >=20     Dave -  < There are likely Cisco settings that need to be set for your; environment. I am certainly not a Cisco guru, but I suspect D out-of-the-box, it still needs to be configured for your environment' (e.g. subnets, masks, trunking etc).=20   E When you bought these switches, was there not some basic installation 8 and/or remote config assistance capability sold with it?  E Also, perhaps you can post the output of a few show commands from the  SCACP utility?  / $ help scacp (for info on this cluster utility) B $ scacp :=3D=3D run sys$system:scacp !(define symbol in login.com) $ scacp  Scacp> help show     Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2003 08:20 CDT . From: carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins). Subject: Re: c|net Article on new AlphaServers4 Message-ID: <18OCT200308201497@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes...> }The last sentence of the article is the more interesting one: }## 0 }The company will also release a new entry-level< }AlphaServer that uses the EV7 processor, the company said.  }##  } L }I thought that EV7's design made it next to useless for entry level systemsL }due to minimal memory requirements and that EV6x chips would continue to beN }used for those systems ? Does anyone have additional information on this ? IsJ }this a change in policy to introduce EV7 to low end entry level systems ?  H There is nothing whatsoever in the EV7 that makes it anything resembling useless for a low end system.   J It would, in fact, make for superb single processor workstations. It would7 be faster than an EV6x system at the same clock speed.    F Why? Well if nothing else, the eight channel on-chip memory controllerC talking to 8 sticks of RDRAM would give such a workstation a memory E throughput that is extraordinary. That would allow the CPU avoid most B of those all too common memory starvation slowdowns that computersE often run into. Less waiting for data = more work gets done. It would E probably be slightly more expensive than a system using an EV6 series D processor, but not by all that much since it eliminates the off-chip memory controller.  H Sure a single processor system is not using the inter-chip communicationH channels. So what? It makes them slightly more expensive than they wouldJ be if a version was made without those, maybe - but making such a cut downF version would cost money to produce anyway. It may also be possible toF use chips with flaws in those circuits, but nowhere elese, which you'd need to throw away otherwise.   J On the other hand, the "entry level" system could be a DS20 series system,G i.e. a system with two processors. The EV7 would be very good in such a  system.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:05:52 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) . Subject: Re: c|net Article on new AlphaServersL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1810031015440001@user-uinj0jj.dialup.mindspring.com>  2 In article <3F90A7FF.B6187F37@istop.com>, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:    > >The last sentence of the article is the more interesting one: >## 0 >The company will also release a new entry-level< >AlphaServer that uses the EV7 processor, the company said.  >##  > L >I thought that EV7's design made it next to useless for entry level systemsL >due to minimal memory requirements and that EV6x chips would continue to beN >used for those systems ? Does anyone have additional information on this ? IsJ >this a change in policy to introduce EV7 to low end entry level systems ?  H It looks like someone has gotten confused about the DS15, which uses the EV68 CPU at 1 GHz, NOT EV7.   ? The smallest EV7 system is the 2-processor vareity of the ES47.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:24:10 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: c|net Article on new AlphaServers2 Message-ID: <BP-dnc5zAKW49AyiXTWJkQ@metrocast.net>  ; "Carl Perkins" <carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message . news:18OCT200308201497@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu...0 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes...@ > }The last sentence of the article is the more interesting one: > }## 2 > }The company will also release a new entry-level= > }AlphaServer that uses the EV7 processor, the company said.  > }##  > } F > }I thought that EV7's design made it next to useless for entry level systems K > }due to minimal memory requirements and that EV6x chips would continue to  beK > }used for those systems ? Does anyone have additional information on this  ? IsL > }this a change in policy to introduce EV7 to low end entry level systems ? > J > There is nothing whatsoever in the EV7 that makes it anything resembling > useless for a low end system.   K Perhaps JF is recalling a discussion from quite a while ago in which it may H have been stated that VMS would ship on EV7 using a 64 KB page size (andJ that the EV8 hardware would not support any page size smaller than 64 KB).K Increasing the page size by nearly an order of magnitude is likely to place G *some* pressure on minimum practical RAM configuration, though with the F price of RAM these days perhaps not very serious pressure on practical entry-level system prices.   > L > It would, in fact, make for superb single processor workstations. It would8 > be faster than an EV6x system at the same clock speed.  K Anyone ever find out why EV7 is still limited to 1.15 GHz when its original J target was higher (and EV68 seems to run just fine at 1.25 GHz)?  While HPH would doubtless prefer that we all gape in awe at the newest Itanics, atJ least *some* inquiring minds still want to know.  But given HP's plans for: EV79, perhaps everyone considers the answer to be obvious.   > H > Why? Well if nothing else, the eight channel on-chip memory controllerE > talking to 8 sticks of RDRAM would give such a workstation a memory G > throughput that is extraordinary. That would allow the CPU avoid most D > of those all too common memory starvation slowdowns that computers > often run into.   L Do they really?  My impression was that bandwidth wasn't all that *common* aD problem even in far lesser architectures - that latency was the realJ bugbear.  While EV7 does have truly phenomenal bandwidth, it may have beenL largely aimed at future (EV8/EV9) products that would come closer to needing it.   6  Less waiting for data = more work gets done. It wouldG > probably be slightly more expensive than a system using an EV6 series F > processor, but not by all that much since it eliminates the off-chip > memory controller.  K And all that fast, off-chip cache that EV68 would need to get anything like  equal performance.  I EV7 wasn't *only* about performance (that could be obtained without major D core modifications - those would have been arriving soon in EV8) andI scalability:  putting a large part of the system right on the chip allows H (just as with AMD64 systems) a significant reduction in parts count (andF hence manufacturing cost) in both single- and multi-processor systems.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:29:57 +0200 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>I Subject: Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? 9 Message-ID: <bmqtq5$pn8ke$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   1 "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> schreef in bericht , news:3f90715c$0$236$626a54ce@news.free.fr...< > From the OpenVMS to Itanium FAQ (http://tinyurl.com/rcuc): > E > "Note that mixed architecture clusters of Alpha and Itanium will be J > supported. We will continue to support mixed VAX and Alpha environments.G > However, because there has been no demand for it our current plans do + > not include support for VAX and Itanium".  > G > Wrong. I answered the survey, I remember very well the question and I  > did ask for this feature.  > H > Anyway, don't worry, a senior expert from VMS Eng who wishes to remainH > anonymous told me that "it will work perfectly for sure", which soundsI > logical as, if VAX - Alpha clusters is a pleasure and Alpha - Integrity 8 > a feature, VAX - Alpha - Integrity will be a treasure. >  > D. > 4 > (Integrity? The name of the future IA64 HP Server: http://tinyurl.com/rcvm) >  Didier  I this question came up during the VMS tech update days in the Netherlands. ) The answer (given by Andy Goldstein) was: E No, we're not supporting a VAX/AXP/I64 VMScluster nor will we provide L support for that in the future. But we do not support VMS clusters with moreJ than 96 nodes either. But we will continue to support VAX/AXP VMSclusters.K Off line the question was put differently (not to A.G.): as long as VAX/AXP H clustering is supported for a given VMS version and AXP/I64 clusters areI also supported for that version, wouldn't that imply that VaxAxpI64 would H also work? The answer given with a "that's obvious" kind of shrug: sure.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:10:24 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>* Subject: Re: Error installing JRE V1.4.1-2/ Message-ID: <3F911FA0.5C1D2F1@sture.homeip.net>    Galen wrote: > D > I tried to install JRE V1.4.1-2 from the savesets you get when youB > expand the DEC-AXPVMS-JRE-V0104-12-1 kit. VMSINSTAL failed after > reporting: > " > %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening< > DKA0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.JRE-V141-2]JAVA$MAWT_SHR.EXE;1 as output1 > -RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded  > " > %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening= > DKA0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.JRE-V141-2]LIBJAVAPLUGIN_OJI.SO as output 1 > -RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded  > > > I assume this indicates a problem with the product savesets. > & > Has anyone else gotten this to work?  G My first guess there is that there is more than one copy of those files F in the VMSINSTAL savesets. Either the kit builder forgot to do a purgeH before building the kit, or those files exist in more than one directory used to build the savesets.   8 Doing a BACKUP/LIST of the savesets should confirm that.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2003 07:32:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: Error installing JRE V1.4.1-23 Message-ID: <$nUIu0YJAsEx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3F911FA0.5C1D2F1@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > Galen wrote:  # >> %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening > >> DKA0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.JRE-V141-2]LIBJAVAPLUGIN_OJI.SO as output2 >> -RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded >>  ? >> I assume this indicates a problem with the product savesets.   I > My first guess there is that there is more than one copy of those files H > in the VMSINSTAL savesets. Either the kit builder forgot to do a purgeJ > before building the kit, or those files exist in more than one directory > used to build the savesets.   E I think SPKITBLD.COM should specify *.*;0 to protect all kit builders L from this problem (although I typically do not use it -- for other reasons).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:32:10 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>I Subject: Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <3F9116AA.2CBC1A98@sture.homeip.net>   Bill Johnson wrote:  > H > Is this suite another REAL PRODUCT from Hp (i.e. HP Part Number in theJ > Global Parts list) or is this another project completed after hours by aL > small unofficial group? Where does support come from - Colorado Springs? -1 > Our Platinum guy said he knew nothing of it 8(.  > : > Our sales person does not know how to quote it to us. 8( >  > anyone have any answers?  ; IIRC it's a product developed (and presumably supported) by ) Digital/Compaq Belgium. Now HP of course.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:35:17 -0700 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>I Subject: Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <200310180835.h9I8ZHes008612@www.aarg.net>  G On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  >Didier Morandi wrote: >>  . >> Don't know (see my previous answer to Tom).I >> However, what I do know is what my antennas told me (I trust them very  >> much :-)  >>  I >> The CA version is a somehow "frozen" version. I doubt that CA did some H >> evolution on the VMS part of the Unicenter TNG suite after the 1st of8 >> January 1999, due to COMPAQ's "enthusiasm" for VMS... >>  K >> The HP Cockpit Mgr version is (as far as I understood) a continuation of N >> the life of the VMS Engineering product, so it is probably more "featured". >>  F >> Btw, I will not be surprized to see one day HP "purchase back" some= >> former DEC software sold away during the sinister CPQ era.  >>  7 >> "Will there be back Gold at the end of the Rainbow?"  > / >Will there be a light at he end of the tunnel?   L I was told that the light at the end of the tunnel is a taxman with a torch.     Doc. --  K OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com     http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:32:10 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>I Subject: Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS 4 Message-ID: <3f9116b3$0$27020$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  A Googling "Cockpit Manager" did not give a lot of info, because I  G misspelled the name. The exact product name is "CockpitMgr for OpenVMS"   > It has been produced by HP Belgium, as Paul said, and is only ' distributed by Emulators International.   . See http://212.190.77.82/cockpitmgr/index.html   D.   Paul Sture wrote:    > Bill Johnson wrote:  > H >>Is this suite another REAL PRODUCT from Hp (i.e. HP Part Number in theJ >>Global Parts list) or is this another project completed after hours by aL >>small unofficial group? Where does support come from - Colorado Springs? -1 >>Our Platinum guy said he knew nothing of it 8(.  >>: >>Our sales person does not know how to quote it to us. 8( >> >>anyone have any answers? >  > = > IIRC it's a product developed (and presumably supported) by + > Digital/Compaq Belgium. Now HP of course.  >    --  ;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News >         http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf  F Didier Morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation D    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:42:38 -0400 . From: "zakaria Yassine" <zakaria@sympatico.ca>" Subject: Re: nagios plugin for vms: Message-ID: <bp4kb.10601$cT6.564045@news20.bellglobal.com>  0 "dooley" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> wrote in message7 news:1ca82fc6.0310161922.547524bb@posting.google.com... ; > "zakaria Yassine" <zakaria@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 5 news:<9X2jb.7084$cT6.303658@news20.bellglobal.com>... 
 > > Hello, > > I > > Instead of plugin, why don't you just use nrpe agent on OpenVMS. I've L > > rewriten the agent from nagios.org and it's working fine on our systems. I K > > can send you the source files (in C) or the image if you don't have a C 2 > > compiler. (just let me know your version/arch) > >  > > Zakaria,7 > why don't you get one of the maintainers to put it on 4 > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/nagios/nrpe/2 > or send it to nagios-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Phil  / Good idea! I sent it to one of the maintainers.   L Meanwhile, anyone interested can get it at http://www3.sympatico.ca/zakaria/  9 nrpeVMS1.0.zip contains source files and a detailed howto K nrpe.zip contains the images (compiled on Alpha VMS7.3) of nrpe_aux.exe and  check_nrpe.exe  = By the way, remarks/comments/bugs can just be reported to me.    Zakaria,   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:21:29 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? 4 Message-ID: <3f90dbf0$0$27013$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  I Craig's answer is correct. I do have the same config. I went to my local  G Island Computers shop (http://www.hpaq.net) and purchased for a couple  H of euros an SCSI CD-ROM drive (they have plenty, noone in PC land seems H to use them) *and* its cable (not the same one at all), then Bob was my  uncle again :-)    D.C (I love this expression. In French we say "les doigts dans le nez"  I ("...and fingers in the nose") or "et roule ma poule" ("k'mon Baby, move   ahead")    Craig A. Berry wrote:   , > In article <3F90B341.6070608@comcast.net>,5 >  "netnews.comcast.net" <netnews@comcast.net> wrote:  >  > F >>I'm trying to install the hobbyist version of openvms on a PWS600au H >>(SROM V7.2-1), but it always hang when the following message comes up: >>4 >>OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version 7.3-1 >  > J > It's a supported platform but there are several variants and options to G > work through.  Is the CD drive you are booting from SCSI or IDE?  If  I > IDE, which chipset does it have?  If SCSI, what SCSI controller?  This  ' > information should be available from   >  >  >>>>show config    --  ;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News >         http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf  F Didier Morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation D    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:12:14 GMT 1 From: "netnews.comcast.net" <netnews@comcast.net> - Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? * Message-ID: <3F90F603.6080903@comcast.net>   Craig A. Berry wrote: , > In article <3F90B341.6070608@comcast.net>,5 >  "netnews.comcast.net" <netnews@comcast.net> wrote:  >  > F >>I'm trying to install the hobbyist version of openvms on a PWS600au H >>(SROM V7.2-1), but it always hang when the following message comes up: >>4 >>OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version 7.3-1 >  > J > It's a supported platform but there are several variants and options to G > work through.  Is the CD drive you are booting from SCSI or IDE?  If  I > IDE, which chipset does it have?  If SCSI, what SCSI controller?  This  ' > information should be available from   >  >  >>>>show config  >>>   C It's an IDE cdrom.  THe chipset is Cypress, which according to the   openvms FAQ's should work.F To me it seems to work, since it bootstraps from the cdrom just fine, # but hang when the message comes up.   ( Here's the complete specs of the system:   PWS600au
 Pyxis chipset 	 640MB RAM 	 2MB cache " IDE cdrom (Cypress ata controller) onboard qlogic scsi (unused) PCI qlogic 1040 (HD controller)  9gig Quantum Atlas IV  DEC tga2 video card      Thanks for any help.   -Duy   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:24:07 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? 4 Message-ID: <3f9114d1$0$27051$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Ok, try conversational boot:   at the console prompt, type     >>> b -fl (0,1)  F this will enable conversational boot and give you the SYSBOOT prompt. , Then, enable minimum VMS configuration boot:   SYSBOOT> set startup_p1 "MIN"  SYSBOOT> continue   H This should boot a "lite" VMS without any network not layered products. I If you still get stuck to the "Hello" banner, come back here. If you can  5 find an SCSI drive, it will be better anyway (to me).    D.   netnews.comcast.net wrote:  E > It's an IDE cdrom.  THe chipset is Cypress, which according to the   > openvms FAQ's should work.H > To me it seems to work, since it bootstraps from the cdrom just fine, % > but hang when the message comes up.  > * > Here's the complete specs of the system: > 
 > PWS600au > Pyxis chipset  > 640MB RAM  > 2MB cache $ > IDE cdrom (Cypress ata controller) > onboard qlogic scsi (unused)! > PCI qlogic 1040 (HD controller)  > 9gig Quantum Atlas IV  > DEC tga2 video card    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:50:58 GMT 1 From: "netnews.comcast.net" <netnews@comcast.net> - Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? * Message-ID: <3F914567.1060707@comcast.net>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Ok, try conversational boot: >  > at the console prompt, type  >  >  >>> b -fl (0,1) > H > this will enable conversational boot and give you the SYSBOOT prompt. . > Then, enable minimum VMS configuration boot: >  > SYSBOOT> set startup_p1 "MIN"  > SYSBOOT> continue  > J > This should boot a "lite" VMS without any network not layered products. K > If you still get stuck to the "Hello" banner, come back here. If you can  7 > find an SCSI drive, it will be better anyway (to me).  >  > D. >    I tried   >>>> b -f 0,1 dka0   >>>> set startup_p1 "MIN"  >>>> continue( I still get stuck to the "Hello" banner.= Has anybody been able to boot/install openvms from ide cdrom?    -Duy   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:16:42 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) - Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1810031026330001@user-uinj0jj.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <3F90B341.6070608@comcast.net>, netnews@comcast.net wrote:   E >I'm trying to install the hobbyist version of openvms on a PWS600au  G >(SROM V7.2-1), but it always hang when the following message comes up:  > 3 >OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version 7.3-1  > 5 >According the FAQ's it should install on a PWS600au. ? >Is there any chance the CD is bad? or I just missed something.  >  >TIA for any info.  , How is the CONSOLE environment variable set?   >>> SHOW CONSOLE  H If you have the variable set to the "other" port, the firmware will talkI to you anyway, on either port.  But when it hands off to VMS during boot, J VMS output only goes to the "official" console port.  It looks like a hang" at exactly the point you describe.  J If you are using a graphics screen, make sure CONSOLE is GRAPHCIS.  If you2 are using the serial port, make sure it is SERIAL.  - You can also turn on some debugging messages:    >>> B -FL 0,20000   = which will give a more precise indication of how far you get.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:29:33 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? 4 Message-ID: <3f914e55$0$27033$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Robert Deininger wrote:   L > If you are using a graphics screen, make sure CONSOLE is GRAPHCIS.  If you4 > are using the serial port, make sure it is SERIAL.   Right!   To do that:     >>> set console graphics  or  >>> set console serial    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:51:32 GMT 0 From: "Webmaster" <webmaster@kmaproductions.com> Subject: Prove this wrong!!!! 7 Message-ID: <E28kb.60087$KJ5.44283@fe2.columbus.rr.com>    Prove this wrong!!!   @ I don't know about you, but I get tired of postal lottery, "makeE $60000 in 60 days" type messages appearing in my favorite newsgroups. B There are "claims" of people making all this money, but nothing to back it up or any real proof.   B So now we're going to put this to a test and hopefully settle this once and for all!   @ If you believe these type of letters/messages work, then try theA newer PayPal version of this listed below. I have added my e-mail E address at the bottom of the message, and will post the results daily 3 on my website (listed further down in this message)   C Even if you don't believe these type of letters work, check out the  results on my web page :  * http:\\www.kmaproductions.com\watchdog.htm  F Hopefully, you can use this link as a way of telling people that theseC type of messages do not work and finally put this nonsense to rest.   8 ========================================================  > Follow the directions below and in two weeks you'll have up to> $20000.00 in your PayPal account. There is a very high rate ofC participation in the program because of its low investment and high ) rate of return. Just $5.00 to one person!    THAT'S ALL !!!  B If you are a skeptic and don't think the program will work, I urge8 you to give it a try anyway! It REALLY WORKS! Why do you' think so many people are promoting it ?   F LOOK AT IT THIS WAY: If the Program is a total failure for you and you4 never get even $1.00 in return, your total loss willE be the $5.00! If you are not yet a paypal member, there is no risk at 7 all!!! If the Program is only moderately successful for D you, your PayPal account will have several hundred dollars deposited1 into it within the next few days! If you actively C participate in the Program, you could have up to $20,000.00 in your   PayPal account within two weeks!  ' Now let me tell you the simple details.    Getting Started!!   E If you're not already a user of PayPal, the very first thing you need 7 to do is go to PayPal and sign up. It takes two minutes B and Pay Pal will deposit $5.00 in your account just for becoming a9 member. That makes this program's total cost $0!!! Follow & this link to open your PayPal account:   https://www.paypal.com  D Now log into your PayPal account, and send the PayPal account of the8 person listed in Position 1 $5.00 PayPal will ask you to; select type. (Select "service" and put "$5.00 donation" for A subject.) When person in Position 1 receives notification of your > payment, you can simply copy this page and change the names in> position #1 & #2 & #3 as instructed. Remember, only the person? in Position 1 on the list gets your $5.00 donation. Send them a = donation then remove #1PayPal account from the list. Move the E other two accounts up & add your Paypal account to #3 position. After , you have retyped the names in the new order,  C IMMEDIATELY send the revised message to as many people as possible. 7 PROMOTE! PROMOTE! The more you promote the Program, the ? more you will receive in donations!! That's all there is to it.   B When your name reaches Position 1 (usually in less than a week) it9 will be your turn to receive the cash. $5.00 will be sent F to your PayPal account by people just like you who are willing to send6 $5.00 dontation and receive up to $20,000 in less than? two weeks. Because there are only (3) names on the list you can - anticipate 80% of your cash within two weeks.   @ Anytime you find yourself short on cash just take out your $5.00< donation program and send it to 50 prospects. Imagine if youB sent it to 100 or even more. Most people spend more than $5 on the5 lottery every week with no real hope of ever winning.     THIS PROGRAM WORKS - JUST TRY IT  0 POSITION # 1 PAYPAL Account: wishome@hotmail.com  ; POSITION # 2 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: Sarah_Mitchell_104@hotmail.com   9 POSITION # 3 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: webmaster@kmaproductions.com   * Integrity and honesty make this plan work.C Participants who actively promote this program will average between < $8000 and $12000 and receive the donations within two weeks.  E This is not a chain letter. You are simply making a donation of $5.00 5 to another person. The Program does not violate title / 18 section 1302 of the Postal and lottery code.   8 Remember -TIME is of the essence. YOU can choose to liveB Paycheck-to-Paycheck or live FREE from FINANCIAL BONDAGE. Become a9 part of the donation program and help people help people.   ) This program is about helping each other!   ) Success is a journey - Not a destination!    Start Your Journey TODAY!!!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:34:25 -0400 . From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media8 Message-ID: <cln1pvk9orel39t1jt5r9laubjt2sfn07u@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:15:48 -0500, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote:  G >>I shall not compete with ya on the old DEC days :-) but I agree with  D >>Dave Smith (CSC) that we used to use SPL (or in French "distrib"). >>J >>I'm in the DEC business since 1981 (good old PDP 11/34 at Dassault) and  >>*never* heard of "condist".  > N >There was never anything official about the term.  But definitely some people	 >used it.   F "Condist" is a contracted form of "Consolidated Distribution"...and itD is a term I've heard used for many years.  I have several of them on the shelf next to me.    -- Mike Bartman @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:02:12 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? 0 Message-ID: <3F912BC4.59326ED6@sture.homeip.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 0 > In article <bmjjgl$1bfq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,I >         jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes:  > >  > >       Nobody remembers > I > I do, competing around here with A&P (The remnant of the Great Atlantic  > and Pacific Tea Co.) > F > >                         the ACME market chain of supermarkets thatC > >       were widespread in the middle east coast (NJ, PA, NY, MD) A > >       and possibly wider in the late 1960's and early 1970's?  > G > I saw them as far south as Georgia in the early 70's although by then L > they were usually closed or being used for something else and recognizable > only by their design.  >  > > D > >       Back then my folks useta pack up the yungun's every FridayF > >       night and we'd go groshery shoppin'.  We'd take the 30+ mileF > >       drive to town (we wuz hill people, afta all) and take dinnerD > >       (burger,fries & shake) at the snack bar of the Rexall drug > F > Remember them too.  Ate most of my evening meals in one of them when6 > I was "rooming" on Mass. Ave. in DC back n the 60's. > H > >       store next door to the Acme market.  Then we'd do the shoppin.# > >       What a night on the town!  > > G > >       Seriously, by the time I was a HS senior, we were still doing M > >       this (1971-1972), although while mom & dad were doing the shopping, M > >       I was visiting my former 9th grade English teacher and then-current H > >       Yearbook Advisor to get her to sign off on all the pages being, > >       sent that week to the publisher... > > K > >       So Warner Bros is not the only nostalgia evoked by the term ACME.  >  > So true......  >   B And there are vague memories of some household appliance - washing1 machine or the likes - for me with the name ACME.   , http://www.goldtop.org/photos/bakelite5.html  ; shows ACME as a trade name, along with Belling and Tricity.	  ' But to really go back in time, we have E  * http://www.acmewhistles.co.uk/history.html   The ACME Thunderer    After his success with Thep&    Metropolitan Whistle, Joseph Hudson!    went on to revolutionise, ablyf%    supported by his son, the world of?'    whistles. In 1884 the Acme Thunderer (    was launched. This whistle, the first#    and still the worlds leading pean'    whistle, offering total reliability, )    control and power to the referee, has,e'    continued to be developed. It is nowt'    the world's biggest selling whistle,o'    there is not a major league or sporta#    that has not been graced by thisa
    whistle. "  "h     -- n
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:33:08 -0400 . From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? + Message-ID: <bmrrpm$pv0$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   A ACME supermarkets have been around in Delaware at least since the-? 1950s and remain common here now. The nearest supermarket to use is an ACME, just built.4   Paul Sture wrote:, > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 0 >>In article <bmjjgl$1bfq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,I >>        jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes:  >> >>>      Nobody remembersi >>I >>I do, competing around here with A&P (The remnant of the Great Atlantic  >>and Pacific Tea Co.) >> >>E >>>                        the ACME market chain of supermarkets thateB >>>      were widespread in the middle east coast (NJ, PA, NY, MD)@ >>>      and possibly wider in the late 1960's and early 1970's? >>G >>I saw them as far south as Georgia in the early 70's although by thennL >>they were usually closed or being used for something else and recognizable >>only by their design.s >> >>C >>>      Back then my folks useta pack up the yungun's every Friday E >>>      night and we'd go groshery shoppin'.  We'd take the 30+ mile E >>>      drive to town (we wuz hill people, afta all) and take dinnercC >>>      (burger,fries & shake) at the snack bar of the Rexall drugc >>F >>Remember them too.  Ate most of my evening meals in one of them when6 >>I was "rooming" on Mass. Ave. in DC back n the 60's. >> >>G >>>      store next door to the Acme market.  Then we'd do the shoppin. " >>>      What a night on the town! >>>8F >>>      Seriously, by the time I was a HS senior, we were still doingL >>>      this (1971-1972), although while mom & dad were doing the shopping,L >>>      I was visiting my former 9th grade English teacher and then-currentG >>>      Yearbook Advisor to get her to sign off on all the pages beinga+ >>>      sent that week to the publisher...a >>>rJ >>>      So Warner Bros is not the only nostalgia evoked by the term ACME. >> >>So true......n >> >  > D > And there are vague memories of some household appliance - washing3 > machine or the likes - for me with the name ACME.y > . > http://www.goldtop.org/photos/bakelite5.html > = > shows ACME as a trade name, along with Belling and Tricity.y > ) > But to really go back in time, we have   > , > http://www.acmewhistles.co.uk/history.html >  > The ACME Thunderer >    After his success with Theu( >    Metropolitan Whistle, Joseph Hudson# >    went on to revolutionise, ablyt' >    supported by his son, the world oft) >    whistles. In 1884 the Acme Thunderer * >    was launched. This whistle, the first% >    and still the worlds leading peah) >    whistle, offering total reliability,a+ >    control and power to the referee, has,m) >    continued to be developed. It is nowe) >    the world's biggest selling whistle, ) >    there is not a major league or sport % >    that has not been graced by thiss >    whistle. "  > "c >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:32:19 GMTe( From: "B Fisher" <none@antispamming.com>$ Subject: [~OT] Last _production_ VAX9 Message-ID: <72dkb.54389$832.26759@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>a  F Slightly off topic but:  Does anyone have an idea of when the last VAXJ was/is produced?  My recollection is that the last introduction was aroundK 1992 or so, but I am more interested in the last _produced_.  We still haveyD a few but I suspect when they get repaired, they are refurbed boards   Just a curiosity, Thanks   scotts   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.578 ************************