1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 19 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 579       Contents: Re: Clustering over GB Switches > correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODEB Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODEB Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODEB Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODEB Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE@ Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities?@ Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities?! Re: Error installing JRE V1.4.1-2 @ Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS
 LAN overload? $ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment  problem with CXX patch? K Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories  question on patch nomenclatureG question/comments on ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered/vax/  SET VOLUME/REBUILD=FORCE) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media ) Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices % SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices ) Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices ) Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices   SYSMAN> DEFINE/KEY/IF_STATE=GOLD Re: What is ACME_SERVER?8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks Re: [~OT] Last _production_ VAX  Re: [~OT] Last _production_ VAX   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:12:42 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: Clustering over GB Switches$ Message-ID: <bms3ba$iuk$2@online.de>  1 In article <bmo9b7$n5q$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews # <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:    G > Introducing any hardware between systems makes that a single point of I > failure. The crossover cable is in a two node situation the best way to  > go.   A But it's a single point of failure.  :-)  OK, it's pretty robust!    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:31:58 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)G Subject: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE $ Message-ID: <bms7vt$1ul$4@online.de>  I The UAF has different types of access: interactive, batch, local, dialup  H and remote.  F$MODE() can return INTERACTIVE, BATCH, NETWORK, AND OTHER.  H What is the correspondence between these two classes of types of access?  I In particular, is it possible to have an account which cannot log in via  B the network, but which can use SYSMAN on all nodes in a cluster?  E (Ideally, it would have not TCPIP access, but LAT would be OK, maybe  6 DECnet, but I doubt that it can be that fine-grained.)   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2003 16:16:05 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) K Subject: Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE 3 Message-ID: <J33O7FLKHw$6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <bms7vt$1ul$4@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: K > The UAF has different types of access: interactive, batch, local, dialup  J > and remote.  F$MODE() can return INTERACTIVE, BATCH, NETWORK, AND OTHER. > J > What is the correspondence between these two classes of types of access?  > You need to take a look at the VMS Security Manual, in detail,- before making decisions based on any of this.   > Local, Dialup and Remote are all subsets of Interactive as far% as SYSUAF and LOGINOUT are concerned.   K > In particular, is it possible to have an account which cannot log in via  D > the network, but which can use SYSMAN on all nodes in a cluster?    * In some circumstances, if you are careful.  G > (Ideally, it would have not TCPIP access, but LAT would be OK, maybe  8 > DECnet, but I doubt that it can be that fine-grained.)  I It certainly is not automatically fine-grained across multiple mechanisms " potentially from multiple vendors.  ' 	Remote was devised for DECnet SET HOST   7 	Some TCP/IP products have mechanisms to decide whether " 		their Telnet sessions are Remote  : 	You should experiment with R-services and other backdoors7 		both before making assumptions and making any upgrade * 		to the product providing those services.  : 	The Local vs Dialup distinction is in the UCB.  With most0 		terminal connections these days that means the% 		distinction is in the Template UCB.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:59:42 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)K Subject: Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE $ Message-ID: <bmsd4d$8sa$1@online.de>  3 In article <J33O7FLKHw$6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   M > > The UAF has different types of access: interactive, batch, local, dialup  L > > and remote.  F$MODE() can return INTERACTIVE, BATCH, NETWORK, AND OTHER. > > L > > What is the correspondence between these two classes of types of access? > @ > You need to take a look at the VMS Security Manual, in detail,/ > before making decisions based on any of this.  > @ > Local, Dialup and Remote are all subsets of Interactive as far' > as SYSUAF and LOGINOUT are concerned.  > M > > In particular, is it possible to have an account which cannot log in via  F > > the network, but which can use SYSMAN on all nodes in a cluster?   > , > In some circumstances, if you are careful.   Thanks for the info.  G Let me rephrase the question:  I have an account which has no network,  C dialup or remote access, but has local and batch access in the UAF.   G Even though it has the appropriate privs, it can't do any remote tasks  C via SYSMAN.  SYSMAN> DO WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MODE() results in OTHER.   F Am I correct in assuming that, as far as the UAF is concerned, SYSMAN & remote tasks are counted as "network"?  B (There is no DECnet running and SYSMAN works fine from an account 7 without the restriction on dialup, remote and network.)    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2003 17:12:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) K Subject: Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE 3 Message-ID: <bSJagfQFVdKT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <bmsd4d$8sa$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   I > Let me rephrase the question:  I have an account which has no network,  E > dialup or remote access, but has local and batch access in the UAF.  > I > Even though it has the appropriate privs, it can't do any remote tasks  E > via SYSMAN.  SYSMAN> DO WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MODE() results in OTHER.   B WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MODE() reflects the method of process creation.  C If you get OTHER on an interactive login, something is quite wrong.   H > Am I correct in assuming that, as far as the UAF is concerned, SYSMAN ( > remote tasks are counted as "network"?  B That might be the case.  You should be able to turn on auditing to check.  D > (There is no DECnet running and SYSMAN works fine from an account 9 > without the restriction on dialup, remote and network.)   B Certainly it depends at most on one of those, and does not require
 all three.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:26:37 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)K Subject: Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE $ Message-ID: <bmsemt$8sa$3@online.de>  3 In article <bSJagfQFVdKT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   K > > Let me rephrase the question:  I have an account which has no network,  G > > dialup or remote access, but has local and batch access in the UAF.  > > K > > Even though it has the appropriate privs, it can't do any remote tasks  G > > via SYSMAN.  SYSMAN> DO WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MODE() results in OTHER.  > D > WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MODE() reflects the method of process creation. > E > If you get OTHER on an interactive login, something is quite wrong.    What I meant was:   $ SYSMAN> do write sys$output f$mode()2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH OTHER 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA OTHER 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL OTHER    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2003 17:25:24 -0700% From: a.greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) I Subject: Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? = Message-ID: <af3b9b31.0310181625.5eae4f4e@posting.google.com>    "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCAB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>...  > >   J > As Engineering has stated a number of times, just because it will not beJ > supported, does not mean it will not work. They have specifically statedH > that they are not doing anything to inhibit this, but the testing of aI > ginormous number of different VAX/Alpha/IPF combinations was considered  > to be way to costly.    E Certainly I extended the life of VMS within a UK universirty by using F unsupported clustering features of an early VMS/Alpha release. I'd putE money on close to rock-solid support of VAX/Itanium clusters whatever D the SPD says. I'll also bet any bugs are fixed. (Protocol violations just aren't allowed).   : > Especially with the VAX emulator capabilities cooking .. > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom - > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:01:29 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>I Subject: Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? ( Message-ID: <3F91E25B.5F50A67@istop.com>   Alan Greig wrote: H > unsupported clustering features of an early VMS/Alpha release. I'd putG > money on close to rock-solid support of VAX/Itanium clusters whatever 2 > the SPD says. I'll also bet any bugs are fixed.   J VAX VMS already lags Alpha VMS significantly, and the gap in features willK continue to grow. And since VAX-VMS cannot continue to evolve based only on E demand from hobbyists, there will come a point where HP will kill new K development on VAX-VMS.  After a while, the version gap between VAX-VMS and Q whatever patform VMS runs on at that time will make clustering just not possible.   N But yes, as long as VAX-VMS is given version numbers that match those on Alpha> and IA64, *expectations* would be that clustering should work.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:42:42 -0400 , From: Galen Tackett <gspamtackett@yahoo.com>* Subject: Re: Error installing JRE V1.4.1-2I Message-ID: <gspamtackett-C73C63.21424118102003@comcast.ash.giganews.com>    Well, duh...  H It turns out that these arent VMSINSTAL savesets at all, despite the .A H and .B extensions. They are just plain vanilla BACKUP savesets that you C extract to the directory of your choice, and .B is only needed for   international locations.  C If the release notes had been a little easier to read I might have   noticed this first...       = In article <bdc65a53.0310170853.281daf2d@posting.google.com>, &  gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) wrote:  D > I tried to install JRE V1.4.1-2 from the savesets you get when youB > expand the DEC-AXPVMS-JRE-V0104-12-1 kit. VMSINSTAL failed after > reporting: > " > %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening< > DKA0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.JRE-V141-2]JAVA$MAWT_SHR.EXE;1 as output1 > -RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded  > " > %BACKUP-E-OPENOUT, error opening= > DKA0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.JRE-V141-2]LIBJAVAPLUGIN_OJI.SO as output 1 > -RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded  > > > I assume this indicates a problem with the product savesets. > & > Has anyone else gotten this to work?   --  
 Galen Tackett   5 *** To e-mail me just remove the spam from my address    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:39:00 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>I Subject: Re: Good Bye Polycenter Suite, Hello Cockpit Manager for OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <3F917AB3.CB25216A@istop.com>   F You know, the one big positive about this announcement is that it addsM managements software to VMS and not Windows. In the past, shops were expected 8 to buy some wintel crap box to manage their VMS systems.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:58:18 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: LAN overload?$ Message-ID: <bms60q$1ul$2@online.de>  I Just when I was settling down to do some long-needed maintenance work on  D my hobbyist cluster, one of the machines (a VAX 4000 100A) left the H cluster and immediately came back (after rebooting).  As far as I know,  this doesn't happen often.  B The load on the system is not higher than it has been many times. G Still, with a 10 Mb/s ethernet carrying ALL inter-machine traffic (IP,  ? LAT, SCS---there are MSCP-served disks and shadow sets mounted  F distributed across nodes), I'm worrying if I am close to hitting some  limit.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:03:47 GMT 1 From: "netnews.comcast.net" <netnews@comcast.net> - Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? * Message-ID: <3F918EB9.5050403@comcast.net>   Robert Deininger wrote:   . > How is the CONSOLE environment variable set? >  >  >>>>SHOW CONSOLE >>>  > J > If you have the variable set to the "other" port, the firmware will talkK > to you anyway, on either port.  But when it hands off to VMS during boot, L > VMS output only goes to the "official" console port.  It looks like a hang$ > at exactly the point you describe. > L > If you are using a graphics screen, make sure CONSOLE is GRAPHCIS.  If you4 > are using the serial port, make sure it is SERIAL. > / > You can also turn on some debugging messages:  >  >  >>>>B -FL 0,20000  >>>  > ? > which will give a more precise indication of how far you get.      CONSOLE was set to GRAPHICS     >>>B -FL 0,20000 dka05 indicates it hangs while checking status system disk. C Since FreeBSD is currently installed on the disk, can this somehow  ( causes the installation program to hang?" Thank you in advance for any help.   -Duy   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:59:53 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? 4 Message-ID: <3f91c5f2$0$27035$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   netnews.comcast.net wrote:   > CONSOLE was set to GRAPHICS  >  >  >>>B -FL 0,20000 dka07 > indicates it hangs while checking status system disk. E > Since FreeBSD is currently installed on the disk, can this somehow  * > causes the installation program to hang?  / No. You can boot a diskless system from the CD.   I Then, you reach a DCL menu which allows you to format any system disk it  A reckognizes. So the preinstalled FreeBSd should not be a problem.   ? Could you open the box, unplug the IDE flat cable, then reboot?    D.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2003 17:32:26 -0700% From: a.greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment= Message-ID: <af3b9b31.0310181632.4cff9b43@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F906C22.94DD7BEB@fsi.net>... > Nigel Barker wrote:  > > Q > > On 16 Oct 2003 06:30:59 -0700, djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) wrote:  > > z > > >Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> wrote in message news:<6.0.0.22.2.20031015165257.051637e8@mail.patmedia.net>...3 > > >> At 04:44 PM 10/15/2003, Sue Skonetski wrote:  > > >> >Folks, > > >> >M > > >> >There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is a J > > >> >3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a8 > > >> >copy please send me mail at my hp email address. > > >>1 > > >> I put a smaller version of this file up at H > > >> <http://www.rbnsn.com/Integrity_Server_ad_from_New_Scientist.jpg> > > > A > > >Well, so far, we know the publication name: "New Scientist".  > > > H > > >Ken, can you verify and quote the publication date and page number? > > > J > > >Sue, et al: O.k. So, it looks like we got exposure in a UK scientificK > > >publication. Not exactly mainstream IT media, but any move off of zero  > > >is a start. > > > F > > >Now, can anyone tell me what it will take to get this ad into theI > > >mainstream IT media? (That's not what I wrote originally, but if I'd G > > >posted that the MIBs would have been at my doorstep by lunchtime.)  > > S > > The 'New Scientist' is a popular science magazine i.e. you will find it on sale N > > in most good news vendors in the UK. It's far more mainstream than most ITQ > > publications. It would be read by scientists, technologists & intelligent lay  > > people.  > F > Well, that does a good job of excluding ivory-tower types. How do we= > reach them? Maybe get Bart Simpson as a spokes-character...   4 Reaches the "Scientific American"  audience as well.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:29:08 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: problem with CXX patch?$ Message-ID: <bmserj$8sa$4@online.de>  = Jul 22 18:12  text/plain       CXXE01056.A-DCX_VAXEXE  4829Kb   4 Seems to uncompress OK then gives (on a 7.2 system):  6 %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ...P %BACKUP-E-VBNMISSING, DSA144:[SYS0.SYSUPD.CXXE01056]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1 has missin g blocks 594 through 1317 8 %VMSINSTAL-E-NOSAVESET, Save set  A  cannot be restored.  F Can anyone reproduce this?  (The patch is from the ITRC ftp site.  It  says    A      4.1  Version(s) of OpenVMS to which this kit may be applied:          OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 - V7.2-1  C which is a bit strange since there is no 7.2-1 for VAX (as far as I  know).     Is it not usable on 7.3?   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:06:14 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)T Subject: Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories$ Message-ID: <bms2v6$iuk$1@online.de>  2 In article <isSjb.7266$jT5.4939@news.cpqcorp.net>,6 hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:   D > Any PRODUCT operation that modifies the PCSI database and does notD > (or can not) use /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA renders any existing recoveryH > data unusable -- because PCSI cannot rollback older operations withoutD > rolling back the most recent operation.   Doing so would leave the& > database in an inconstent condition.  D So I guess the undo feature is really only intended for undoing the H install of a patch shortly after it is installed (i.e. before something  else is installed)?   B I'm about to do some VMS upgrades and then apply patches---OS and F layered products.  Obviously, I have to upgrade and then apply the OS E patches.  When should I install the layered products?  Before the OS  G upgrade (if possible)?  Between the OS upgrade and the patches for the  7 OS?  After the OS patches (this is what I had planned).   I Normally, I think that one can install ALL patches then reboot once.  Or  7 should I install the PCSI patch, reboot, then continue?    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:43:52 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: question on patch nomenclature $ Message-ID: <bmsfn7$8sa$5@online.de>       ECO NUMBER:   DFGE01026      ----------F     PRODUCT:      COMPAQ Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS Version 2.6-1     ----------  K     UPDATED PRODUCT: COMPAQ Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS Version 2.6-E01      ---------------   !     APPROX BLK SIZE: 30051 blocks      ----------------  K     Cover Letter for COMPAQ Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS Version 2.6-E01        Kit Description:     ----------------"     This kit is a full kit update.  E What does "full kit update" mean?  Does it mean that it replaces all  A files in the 2.6 kit?  Or does it mean that I can install 2.6 by  C installing this patch, even if I am running a lower version of the   product or even none at all?   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:02:00 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)P Subject: question/comments on ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered/vax/$ Message-ID: <bmsd8o$8sa$2@online.de>  E Jul 22 18:12  text/plain       VAX_DCEECO_015.PCSI-DCX_VAXEXE  3252Kb 7 Oct 16 06:27  text/plain       VAX_DCEECO_015.txt  18Kb M Jul 23 11:58  text/plain       VAX_DCEECO_015_1-V0100.PCSI-DCX_VAXEXE  3252Kb ? Oct 16 06:27  text/plain       VAX_DCEECO_015_1-V0100.txt  18Kb   & This seems to be the same patch twice.   Also, the .txt says:  H      3.1  The  following  remedial  kit(s)  must  be  installed   BEFORE4           installation of this, or any required kit:  ,      DEC-VAXVMS-VMS62TO71_PCSI-V0200--4.PCSI  ? Is this necessary with 7.2 or 7.3?  If not, then this should be $ mentioned.  If so, then where is the. DEC-VAXVMS-VMS62TO71_PCSI-V0200--4.PCSI patch?   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:51:51 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: SET VOLUME/REBUILD=FORCE $ Message-ID: <bms5kn$1ul$1@online.de>  6 What is the difference between SET VOLUME/REBUILD and  SET VOLUME/REBUILD=FORCE?   
 HELP says:             /REBUILD[=FORCE]  ?        Recovers caching limits for a volume that was dismounted C        improperly. If a disk volume was dismounted improperly (such C        as during a system failure), and was then remounted with the A        MOUNT/NOREBUILD command, you can use SET VOLUME/REBUILD to @        recover the caching that was in effect at the time of the?        dismount. The FORCE option forces the disk to be rebuilt F        unconditionally, thus updating the free block count in the disk!        volume's lock value block.   F I am now adding /NOREBUILD for MOUNT commands during startup.  I will @ then do SET VOLUME/REBUILD later.  Should I use =FORCE or not?  E Obviously, the HELP hasn't enlightened me.  Without FORCE, it is not  H rebuilt unconditionally, but presumably conditionally, but with respect  to what?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:54:28 GMT + From: "Jay E. Morris" <usenet@epsilon3.com> 2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media7 Message-ID: <8Mhkb.12609$wj.6865@twister.austin.rr.com>   C In message <3f8ea2fd$0$10421$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi  <no@spam.com> wrote: > ECO level x+1  > J > I was talking about "licences", of course, not software. I did purchase K > my Hobbyist CD as everyone did. Please accept my apologies, those of you  . > who were shocked or confused (or jalous? :-) > K > However, I heard that these CDs are no more sold by Montagar and that we  / > may use the regular HP "condist" CDs instead.  >  > D. >  > Didier Morandi wrote:  > .../..G > > I support the idea. Since two years (2) I never succeeded to get a  J > > single piece of software from Montagar with my (supposed to be) valid  > > DECUS nr :-(6 > > Fortunately, I only use my FORTRAN 77 compiler :-) > >   K We weren't supposed to use the condist with the hobbyist license?  I always O did since there were licenses included for software that wasn't on the hobbyist  CD.     --  @ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2003 14:36:28 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices3 Message-ID: <S7bPHiNmCko8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <bms3ld$qis$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   F > Can one use SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE on VAX like SYSMAN IO CONFIGURE on  > ALPHA for SCSI devices?  > 4 > I ask since the HELP doesn't mention SCSI devices.  7 I use MCR SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL to get SCSI devices.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:18:05 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply). Subject: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices$ Message-ID: <bms3ld$qis$1@online.de>  D Can one use SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE on VAX like SYSMAN IO CONFIGURE on  ALPHA for SCSI devices?   2 I ask since the HELP doesn't mention SCSI devices.  
 AUTOCONFIGURE   	   /SELECT   #         /SELECT=(device-name[,...])   ;      Specifies the device types that you want automatically       configured.  A      You can specify a device-type code as shown in the following C      table. You can include a controller designation but not a unit E      number. If the controller designation is omitted, all devices of C      the specified type are selected. The device-name specification ,      defaults to all devices on the adapter.  4      Do not use /SELECT with the /EXCLUDE qualifier.        Device Type Codes        Code     Device Type         CR       Card Reader $      CS       Console Storage Device      DB       RP05, RP06 Disk !      DD       TU58 Cartridge Tape       DJ       RA60 Disk !      DL       RL02 Cartridge Disk '      DM       RK06, RK07 Cartridge Disk +      DQ       RL02 Cartridge Disk, R80 Disk )      DR       RM03, RM05, RM80, RP07 Disk       DU       UDA Disk      DX       RX01 Diskette       DY       RX02 Diskette 7      LA       LPA11-K Laboratory Peripheral Accelerator #      LC       Line Printer on DMF32 "      LP       Line Printer on LP11      MB       Mailbox        MF       TU78 Magnetic Tape       MS       TS11 Magnetic Tape,      MT       TE16, TU45, TU77 Magnetic Tape      MU       Tape Class Driver 3      NET      Network Communications Logical Device "      NL       System "Null" Device       OP       Operator's Console#      PA       Computer Interconnect        PT       TU81 Magnetic Tape      PU       UDA-50      RT       Remote Terminal *      TT       Interactive Terminal on DZ11C      TX       Interactive Terminal on DMF32, DMZ32, DHU11, or DMB32 2      XA       DR11-W General-Purpose DMA Interface4      XD       DMP-11 Synchronous Communications Line$      XF       DR32 Interface Adapter3      XG       DMF32 Synchronous Communications Line #      XI       DR Interface on DMF32 3      XJ       DUP11 Synchronous Communications Line 3      XM       DMC11 Synchronous Communications Line         ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:01:04 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>2 Subject: Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices4 Message-ID: <3f91c639$0$27035$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   old timmers use    $ mc sysgen a a    :-)    D.   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  y > In article <bms3ld$qis$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  >  > F >>Can one use SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE on VAX like SYSMAN IO CONFIGURE on  >>ALPHA for SCSI devices?  >>4 >>I ask since the HELP doesn't mention SCSI devices. >  > 9 > I use MCR SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL to get SCSI devices.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:14:44 +0000 (UTC) ) From: "Jeff" <dirkdiggler@totalise.co.uk> 2 Subject: Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices0 Message-ID: <bmshh3$lcb$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  
 Same here;       $ MC SYSGEN A A    Lazy, but it works.    J / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message . news:3f91c639$0$27035$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > old timmers use  >  > $ mc sysgen a a  >  > :-)  >  > D. >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > H > > In article <bms3ld$qis$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > >  > > G > >>Can one use SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE on VAX like SYSMAN IO CONFIGURE on  > >>ALPHA for SCSI devices?  > >>6 > >>I ask since the HELP doesn't mention SCSI devices. > >  > > ; > > I use MCR SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL to get SCSI devices.  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:24:11 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: SYSMAN> DEFINE/KEY/IF_STATE=GOLD $ Message-ID: <bms7hb$1ul$3@online.de>  F I'm hoping to save myself some time in the future by coming up with a H sensible SYSMANINI file.  It seems to work OK as far as it goes, but it F doesn't go far enough.  In particular, /IF_STATE=GOLD doesn't seem to  work.   G I am assuming that PF1 is GOLD and that I don't have to define this key B to be the GOLD key or whatever.  This approach seems to work OK in MAIL$KEYDEF.INI.    - After some experimentation, I have found that   #    DEFINE/KEY/SET_STATE=GOLD PF1 ""    seems to work.  I So, let me rephrase my question: why is the above command apparently the  + implicit default in MAIL but not in SYSMAN?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:45:50 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? ) Message-ID: <3F917C4D.83C46A52@istop.com>    Glenn Everhart wrote:  > C > ACME supermarkets have been around in Delaware at least since the $ > 1950s and remain common here now.   L Do they ship via mail order by any chance ? Perhaps their catalogue includesL all sorts of stuff like rockets, fake tunnel entrance paint, springs, bombs, dynamite etc etc etc ....    :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2003 00:34:38 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks 9 Message-ID: <bmsm6u$pot0e$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   + In article <bmprun$6l0$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, 1 	"Rob Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com> writes:  > B >                    (How many people still have an Atari system?)  : I do, but then I also still have several running PDP-11's.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:53:02 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>( Subject: Re: [~OT] Last _production_ VAX< Message-ID: <i0nkb.1414$W44.1056@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>  J I remember writing  a reassuring letter to our customers pointing out thatE Alpha was the natural replacement; Compaq wasn't selling any more VAX = Systems just as Intel didn't care to sell any more 486 chips.   G " . . . MicroVAX 3100 platforms will be orderable through September 30, / 2000. "  -Terry Shannon on the last VAX orders.   6 http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/vax_now.html   -- Andy Bustamante  remove the ASCII 95s to reply     3 "B Fisher" <none@antispamming.com> wrote in message 3 news:72dkb.54389$832.26759@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com... H > Slightly off topic but:  Does anyone have an idea of when the last VAXL > was/is produced?  My recollection is that the last introduction was aroundH > 1992 or so, but I am more interested in the last _produced_.  We still haveF > a few but I suspect when they get repaired, they are refurbed boards >  > Just a curiosity, Thanks >  > scott  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:02:05 -0500 ( From: "B Fisher" <none@antispamming.com>( Subject: Re: [~OT] Last _production_ VAX9 Message-ID: <q_nkb.47525$%C5.11359@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>    Andy,    Thanks for the pointer.   J My question was, indeed, a curiosity despite the fast we have a few VAXes.I We also have a bunch of Alphas running our business.  As noted by others, 2 our migration to Alpha in 1995 went very smoothly.   Thanks, Andy   Scott   A "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in message 6 news:i0nkb.1414$W44.1056@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...L > I remember writing  a reassuring letter to our customers pointing out thatG > Alpha was the natural replacement; Compaq wasn't selling any more VAX ? > Systems just as Intel didn't care to sell any more 486 chips.  > I > " . . . MicroVAX 3100 platforms will be orderable through September 30, 1 > 2000. "  -Terry Shannon on the last VAX orders.  > 8 > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/vax_now.html >2 > -- > Andy Bustamante7 > remove the ASCII 95s to replyg >e >B5 > "B Fisher" <none@antispamming.com> wrote in message 5 > news:72dkb.54389$832.26759@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...sJ > > Slightly off topic but:  Does anyone have an idea of when the last VAXG > > was/is produced?  My recollection is that the last introduction wash aroundJ > > 1992 or so, but I am more interested in the last _produced_.  We still > haveH > > a few but I suspect when they get repaired, they are refurbed boards > >  > > Just a curiosity, Thanks > >b	 > > scotte > >o > >t >i >J   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.579 ************************