1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 19 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 580       Contents:, RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??$ RE: anyone running 7.3-1 with 64 MB? Authentication via RSA Keyfob ! Re: Authentication via RSA Keyfob B Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODEB Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODEB Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE@ Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities?@ Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? Re: LAN overload? H OpenVMS Strategy & Directions Technical Seminar in Ottawa: ppt available+ RE: submitting a VMS batch job from Windows ) Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices ) Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices - RE: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very well 8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks	 Re: XNET? 	 Re: XNET? 	 Re: XNET? ) [DECWarch] Lame 3.93.1 & mpg123 0.59s mh4   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:14:09 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCC3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   >=20 > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20 ! > Sent: October 13, 2003 11:04 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >=20 > http://www.itu.int/WORLD2003/  >=20 > for show information.  >=20$ > And now the quote of the day......B > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=3Dthesta > r/Layout/ArticF > le_Type1&c=3DArticle&cid=3D1065996617113&call_pageid=3D968350072197& > col=3D9690488638 > 51 >=20 >=20 > Oct. 13, 2003. 01:00 AM   >  HP to focus on telecoms sales >=20: > GENEVA-Hewlett-Packard yesterday launched a dozen new=20@ > products and services aimed at the communications industry,=20B > saying it aims to double telecoms sales to $12 billion (U.S.)=20 > a year within three years. >=20: > "We have $6 billion annual sales in core services and=20: > products to (telecoms) carriers and network equipment=20? > vendors. We've said to ourselves we want to double that in=20 A > three years time," Marc Rotthier, HP's European chief of its=20 7 > telecoms unit, told Reuters in a telephone interview.  >=20? > The telecoms sector is already the single biggest industry=20 ( > sector in terms of HP sales, he added. >=20> > Rotthier, speaking from the ITU Telecom World trade show,=20B > said the products and services HP introduced were part of the=20@ > company's drive to tie together many different technologies=207 > to create new services for consumers and enterprises.  >=20@ > HP, the world's largest printer maker, will offer a service=20A > to print snapshots taken with a mobile camera phone directly=20 : > on an HP printer over a wireless short-range connection. >=20A > Market researchers expect camera phones to quadruple to over=20  > 200 million units by 2006. >=20@ > Other examples of new HP products included a location-based=20 > service for Bell Mobility. >=20B > Wireless local area networks (WiFi) also featured prominently=20B > in the range of announcements, including a secure network for=20@ > the Greater Toronto Airports Authority that will be used to=20= > improve baggage delivery, aircraft inspection and security.  >=20 > FROM REUTERS NEWS AGENCY >=20 >=20 >=20@ > Given the above quote, what if any prominence was VMS given=20 > at this trade show?  >=20@ > It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the=20 > telecom field by; > $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So what=20 8 > products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate? >=20 >   	 John -=20   % Re: Telecom business and HP OpenVMS -   C Well, I don't know much about this show, but wrt Telecom and future  OpenVMS business, check out:  H http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe	 rger.html   F "Schlumberger Messaging Solutions Group (MSG) has more than ten years'F experience of supplying applications for the Mobile Telecoms industry,E with OpenVMS and AlphaServers at the heart of each installation. This = partnership has provided 'bet your business' availability and F scalability for our best in class SMSC, USC, USSD and EIR products. InE recognition of the importance to our customers of the revenue streams E that depend on the integrity of OpenVMS, we are selecting the OpenVMS H and Itanium(r)-2 combination as the basis for the next generation of our= Messaging platforms. This combination represents a tremendous G opportunity for increasing the price performance of our solutions while G minimising risk to our Telco customers, thanks to the continuation of a C long-standing and successful partnership of MSG Applications and HP  OpenVMS."=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:32:25 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? K Message-ID: <d8ykb.397709$Lnr1.148781@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Kerry,  F No criticism of you here because I know that you don't have first-handJ knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we c.o.v.'ers are just hereE trying to help one another out, but if had a boss who me 'What did HP J publicly show at the ITU conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to himJ and said "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from a 3rd-partyL vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking.     H The reason I asked the original question was be able to gauge what, **ifK any**, effort HP is making at letting OpenVMS have any **public** visiblity K at industry-specific tradeshows where there are buyers with deep pockets in  attendance.   L It all comes back to demonstrated committment. I have a brand-new project onK the go that has an excellent chance at installing multiple OpenVMS clusters K if I so choose to promote them to my customer. In my opinion OpenVMS is the K best technical choice for this application given the nature of the physical J environment and redundancy requirements, but I will not promote OpenVMS toC my customer unless I see definitive signs of HP showing interest in J promoting its own product in a meaningful public way. Life's too short andI people's memories are too long for me to lose **any** credibility with my G customers because a vendor pulls the rung out from under them either in E reality or metaphorically. They may trust HP generally as a vendor of L printers but they do not trust HP with respect to its intentions for OpenVMS1 because they too see no promotion of the product.          Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- + >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] " >> Sent: October 13, 2003 11:04 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>  >> http://www.itu.int/WORLD2003/ >> >> for show information. >>% >> And now the quote of the day...... A >> http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thesta  >> r/Layout/Artic A >> le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1065996617113&call_pageid=968350072197&  >> col=9690488638  >> 51  >> >> >> Oct. 13, 2003. 01:00 AM! >>  HP to focus on telecoms sales  >>8 >> GENEVA-Hewlett-Packard yesterday launched a dozen new> >> products and services aimed at the communications industry,@ >> saying it aims to double telecoms sales to $12 billion (U.S.) >> a year within three years.  >>8 >> "We have $6 billion annual sales in core services and8 >> products to (telecoms) carriers and network equipment= >> vendors. We've said to ourselves we want to double that in ? >> three years time," Marc Rotthier, HP's European chief of its 8 >> telecoms unit, told Reuters in a telephone interview. >>= >> The telecoms sector is already the single biggest industry ) >> sector in terms of HP sales, he added.  >>< >> Rotthier, speaking from the ITU Telecom World trade show,@ >> said the products and services HP introduced were part of the> >> company's drive to tie together many different technologies8 >> to create new services for consumers and enterprises. >>> >> HP, the world's largest printer maker, will offer a service? >> to print snapshots taken with a mobile camera phone directly ; >> on an HP printer over a wireless short-range connection.  >>? >> Market researchers expect camera phones to quadruple to over  >> 200 million units by 2006.  >>> >> Other examples of new HP products included a location-based >> service for Bell Mobility.  >>@ >> Wireless local area networks (WiFi) also featured prominently@ >> in the range of announcements, including a secure network for> >> the Greater Toronto Airports Authority that will be used to> >> improve baggage delivery, aircraft inspection and security. >> >> FROM REUTERS NEWS AGENCY  >> >> >>> >> Given the above quote, what if any prominence was VMS given >> at this trade show? >>> >> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the >> telecom field by 9 >> $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So what 9 >> products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?  >> >> >  > John - > ' > Re: Telecom business and HP OpenVMS -  > E > Well, I don't know much about this show, but wrt Telecom and future  > OpenVMS business, check out: > J > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe > rger.html  > H > "Schlumberger Messaging Solutions Group (MSG) has more than ten years'H > experience of supplying applications for the Mobile Telecoms industry,G > with OpenVMS and AlphaServers at the heart of each installation. This ? > partnership has provided 'bet your business' availability and H > scalability for our best in class SMSC, USC, USSD and EIR products. InG > recognition of the importance to our customers of the revenue streams G > that depend on the integrity of OpenVMS, we are selecting the OpenVMS F > and Itanium(r)-2 combination as the basis for the next generation ofC > our Messaging platforms. This combination represents a tremendous C > opportunity for increasing the price performance of our solutions = > while minimising risk to our Telco customers, thanks to the C > continuation of a long-standing and successful partnership of MSG  > Applications and HP OpenVMS."  > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom - > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:26:24 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCCC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20 ! > Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >=20 > Kerry, >=20@ > No criticism of you here because I know that you don't have=20A > first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we=20 A > c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but=20 ? > if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU=20 ? > conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said=20 < > "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from a=20B > 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job=208 > in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking. >=20   John,    Re: OpenVMS and Telecom ..  G As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show.=20    However, you also asked -   G ">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the telecom H field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So what products. are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?"  F And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (June 2003)E Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS and IPF. H http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe	 rger.html   E I am not going to say that marketing could not be improved, but there D are some (ok, not of the Wall Street Journal size)recent good thingsB happening as well wrt OpenVMS promotions. Just look at the OpenVMSF Technical Update sessions - which continue to be well received in many! different areas around the globe.   G As an another example, go to www.hp.com. Select Software Products. Now, G compare that page to previous Compaq/Digital web pages as it applies to   OpenVMS options being displayed.  D Also, check out recent PDF testimonial files in HP format. These get: sent to Customers with proposals and "fyi .." type emails.  , http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/   And the following:H http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/Oct03.ht ml@ "ISV commitment & enthusiasm continues to grow with over 500 ISVH applications now committed to port to HP OpenVMS Itanium-based IntegrityB servers." (and this is before native compilers are even available)  G Hey - I agree marketing could be improved with all of HP's OS's, but by B the same token, some improvements are happening wrt to OpenVMS.=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:28:12 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEKCIEAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- - >From: Main, Kerry [mailto:kerry.main@hp.com] ( >Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:26 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 >Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? >  >  >> -----Original Message----- , >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] " >> Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>  	 >> Kerry,  >>  ? >> No criticism of you here because I know that you don't have  @ >> first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we @ >> c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but > >> if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU > >> conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said ; >> "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from a  A >> 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job  9 >> in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking.  >>   >  >John, >  >Re: OpenVMS and Telecom ..  > F >As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show.  >  >However, you also asked - > H >">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the telecomI >field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So what products / >are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?"  > G >And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (June 2003) F >Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS and IPF.I >http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe 
 >rger.html   And Guess who uses PL/I?   > F >I am not going to say that marketing could not be improved, but thereE >are some (ok, not of the Wall Street Journal size)recent good things C >happening as well wrt OpenVMS promotions. Just look at the OpenVMS G >Technical Update sessions - which continue to be well received in many " >different areas around the globe. > H >As an another example, go to www.hp.com. Select Software Products. Now,H >compare that page to previous Compaq/Digital web pages as it applies to! >OpenVMS options being displayed.  > E >Also, check out recent PDF testimonial files in HP format. These get ; >sent to Customers with proposals and "fyi .." type emails.  > - >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/  >  >And the following: I >http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/Oct03.ht  >ml A >"ISV commitment & enthusiasm continues to grow with over 500 ISV I >applications now committed to port to HP OpenVMS Itanium-based Integrity C >servers." (and this is before native compilers are even available)  > H >Hey - I agree marketing could be improved with all of HP's OS's, but byA >the same token, some improvements are happening wrt to OpenVMS.   >  >Regards >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada  >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom- >(remove the DOT's and AT for email address)   >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:33:57 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: anyone running 7.3-1 with 64 MB? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCC2@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > >>=20 F > >>   The SPD has the official supported minimum memory requirements. > >=202 > > Does anyone have a valid, direct link offhand? >=20H > Try starting at <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat/> (Software Catalog). >=20  D Direct link to OpenVMS SPD (Alpha V7.3-1, VAX V7.3) can be found at:2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:17:47 -0400 " From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com>& Subject: Authentication via RSA Keyfob0 Message-ID: <vp6dnbZJYvSUEg-iRVn-hQ@comcast.com>  F     Is anyone doing Telnet authentication via RSA keyfob....? What s/wK product (Tcpware/TcpIP Services...) are they using and how did the hooks go  in?      ---    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2003 09:17:51 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: Authentication via RSA Keyfob3 Message-ID: <ILAobN$tYsna@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <vp6dnbZJYvSUEg-iRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> writes:  > H >     Is anyone doing Telnet authentication via RSA keyfob....? What s/wM > product (Tcpware/TcpIP Services...) are they using and how did the hooks go  > in?   C The RSA ACM 5100 software product (local to the VMS system) and the A RSA ACM 5105 software product (using a central Unix machine) both  use the LGI-callouts.   G I have not heard of them supporting SYS$ACM, but I am not in a position  to hear such things.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2003 07:12:12 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) K Subject: Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE 3 Message-ID: <3vQ6T81srBWu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <bmsemt$8sa$3@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   F >> If you get OTHER on an interactive login, something is quite wrong. >  > What I meant was:  > & > SYSMAN> do write sys$output f$mode()4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH > OTHER 4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA > OTHER 4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL > OTHER   B Well of course -- Remote SYSMAN sessions do not even use LOGINOUT.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:14:51 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)K Subject: Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE $ Message-ID: <bmu2ob$li2$1@online.de>  3 In article <3vQ6T81srBWu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   D > Well of course -- Remote SYSMAN sessions do not even use LOGINOUT.  C Right.  So back to the question: is it possible to disable network  ) access but allow remote tasks via SYSMAN?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2003 09:15:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) K Subject: Re: correspondence between access as defined in the UAF and F$MODE 3 Message-ID: <nrDxbXYnWlmE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <bmu2ob$li2$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 5 > In article <3vQ6T81srBWu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > E >> Well of course -- Remote SYSMAN sessions do not even use LOGINOUT.  > E > Right.  So back to the question: is it possible to disable network  + > access but allow remote tasks via SYSMAN?   D If you want to disable _LOGINOUT_ network access, try an LGI-callout	 approach.   G That says nothing about what _other_ access methods might effect access C without LOGINOUT (as SYSMAN does).  I am particularly suspicious of F IP access methods, since they seem to value Unix emulation higher than the VMS Security Model.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:22:50 GMT  From: Beach Runner@nospam.com I Subject: Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? * Message-ID: <3F92740A.CCCC89EA@cfl.rr.com>  D Just remember, there is a public 8.2 VAX/VMS on the public road map,J and many military, and commercial sites continue to use and cluster VAXes.H Just don't  expect NEW hardware features to be implemented on old VAXES, it just doesn't make sense.    JF Mezei wrote:    > Alan Greig wrote: J > > unsupported clustering features of an early VMS/Alpha release. I'd putI > > money on close to rock-solid support of VAX/Itanium clusters whatever 3 > > the SPD says. I'll also bet any bugs are fixed.  > L > VAX VMS already lags Alpha VMS significantly, and the gap in features willM > continue to grow. And since VAX-VMS cannot continue to evolve based only on G > demand from hobbyists, there will come a point where HP will kill new M > development on VAX-VMS.  After a while, the version gap between VAX-VMS and S > whatever patform VMS runs on at that time will make clustering just not possible.  > P > But yes, as long as VAX-VMS is given version numbers that match those on Alpha@ > and IA64, *expectations* would be that clustering should work.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2003 07:14:46 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? 3 Message-ID: <KpHLdY$3Dy85@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <af3b9b31.0310181625.5eae4f4e@posting.google.com>, a.greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:  > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCAB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>...  >> >   > K >> As Engineering has stated a number of times, just because it will not be K >> supported, does not mean it will not work. They have specifically stated I >> that they are not doing anything to inhibit this, but the testing of a J >> ginormous number of different VAX/Alpha/IPF combinations was considered >> to be way to costly.  > G > Certainly I extended the life of VMS within a UK universirty by using H > unsupported clustering features of an early VMS/Alpha release. I'd putG > money on close to rock-solid support of VAX/Itanium clusters whatever F > the SPD says. I'll also bet any bugs are fixed. (Protocol violations > just aren't allowed).   C But "supported" means people with Gold/Platinum/Latinum etc service G can get a committment to action, and that will not be true for VAX-I64.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:52:55 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: LAN overload?0 Message-ID: <3F9295D2.D16AF012@blueyonder.co.uk>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > J > Just when I was settling down to do some long-needed maintenance work onE > my hobbyist cluster, one of the machines (a VAX 4000 100A) left the I > cluster and immediately came back (after rebooting).  As far as I know,  > this doesn't happen often.  @ So, why did it crash?  CLUEXIT? Hardware? I ran a bunch of thoseC boxes a while back and the only crashes were due to disk failure or E network troubles (multicast and older versions of UCX comes to mind).    > C > The load on the system is not higher than it has been many times. H > Still, with a 10 Mb/s ethernet carrying ALL inter-machine traffic (IP,@ > LAT, SCS---there are MSCP-served disks and shadow sets mountedG > distributed across nodes), I'm worrying if I am close to hitting some  > limit.  G Wouldn't worry about that. Depending on the cause of the crash it could  be network problems.   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:29:57 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Q Subject: OpenVMS Strategy & Directions Technical Seminar in Ottawa: ppt available 4 Message-ID: <3f923d7d$0$10421$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  H An interesting advantage of becoming a publisher is that I am receiving F data. Many thanks to all of you who found nice to keep me informed on / the VMS life worldwide (actually one person :-)   C Thanks to HP, DECUS Canada (CANACU) and Neil Rieck, the powerpoint  G presentation of the OpenVMS Strategy & Directions Technical Seminar in  B Ottawa (18, 19 June 2003) are available (in English) for download.   Visit our home pages for more./ French : http://www.didiermorandi.com/index.htm 2 English: http://www.didiermorandi.com/index_us.htm   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:32:36 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 4 Subject: RE: submitting a VMS batch job from WindowsR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCC4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   >=20 > -----Original Message-----. > From: Martin [mailto:w_orbit@hotmail.com]=20  > Sent: October 13, 2003 6:00 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >=20< > Hi.  We've begun implementation of Windows based client=20B > applications but a lot of our batch processes remain on VMS. =20: > I need a way to submit batch jobs on VMS from the new=20B > clients.  My initial thought was to create a VMS .com file on=20< > the client containing the submit details, ftp that to a=20? > secure VMS user account whose login.com implememted a wait=20 9 > for X seconds to allow ftp to complete then used the=20 9 > generated .com file to submit the batch job with the=20 6 > specified parameters passed from the Windows client. >=20& > Is there a better method that this ? >=20 > Tia  > Martin >=20 >=20   Martin,   E As pointed out in an earlier reply, another consideration is to use a  cross platform scheduler.=20  H You can then also do some job start-stop, predecessor/successor, time ofE month logic as well - without having to code these into each job.  In F addition, these schedulers typically have gui interface for monitoring the status of jobs etc.   D In the Windows world, I use the example of if JobA is the backup andF JobB is the virus check, you likely will want JobB to run successfully* and to completion before starting JobA.=20  F You do not want to backup anything that might have a virus, so if JobB? fails, do NOT run JobA and send an alert to the right channels.   , As an example of a cross platform scheduler:  H http://www.i-s-e.com/Products/EnterpriseSCHEDULE/EnterpriseSCHEDULE_Over% view/enterpriseschedule_overview.html : http://www.i-s-e.com/Platforms/OpenVMS_Software/index.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:55:20 +0200 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>2 Subject: Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices9 Message-ID: <bmtn69$ql70u$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>    Curious old timers use   $ ms sysgen a a /l   :-) 1 "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> schreef in bericht . news:3f91c639$0$27035$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > old timmers use  >  > $ mc sysgen a a  >  > :-)  >  > D. >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > H > > In article <bms3ld$qis$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > >  > > G > >>Can one use SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE on VAX like SYSMAN IO CONFIGURE on  > >>ALPHA for SCSI devices?  > >>6 > >>I ask since the HELP doesn't mention SCSI devices. > >  > > ; > > I use MCR SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL to get SCSI devices.  >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2003 07:15:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices3 Message-ID: <ttdIE8gL8$9i@eisner.encompasserve.org>    > old timmers use  >  > $ mc sysgen a a   B Particularly if they come form a Unix background or for some other0 reason do not believe in documenting their work.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:57:38 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 6 Subject: RE: The Uptimes Project -- VMS does very wellR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17BCC5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   >=20 > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Lord Isildur [mailto:isildur@andrew.cmu.edu]=20   > Sent: October 14, 2003 4:53 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >=20 >=20+ > 672 huh? i had an ultrix machine up 673.. ; > (from right before a shut it down to upgrade it from a=20 . > ds5k240 to a /260 cpu, the following uptime: > 07:58:25 umbar $ uptime A >   7:58am  up 673 days,  6:18,  6 users,  load average: 0.26,=20  > 0.07, 0.00 > 07:58:25 umbar $ > ) < > the machine had been on the net the whole time, and was=20A > running just fine when it was taken down. if i hadnt found a=20 G > 260 cpu, it would still be up, that shutdown was about 14 months ago. > > while there are some legends like the irish rail vax, the=20@ > longest uptime i have heard of for a vms system was about 8=20B > years, and the longest i'd ever heard was for a pdp10, though=20  > it was a less reliable source. >=20	 > isildur  >=20  	 Isildur -   C The Irish National Railway story is not a legend. It was a Customer E who's OpenVMS application (controlling railway switching as I recall) F was continuously available for 17 years. One of the Customer reps from; this site talked about it during one of the OpenVMS events.   E As I recall, (and memory may be fading), they ran a dual VAX 750 with  shared IO peripherals.  ? I think more details will be in the c.o.v. archives via google.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:06:46 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks 4 Message-ID: <3f92461e$0$10425$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:- > In article <bmprun$6l0$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, 3 > 	"Rob Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com> writes:  > B >>                   (How many people still have an Atari system?) >  > < > I do, but then I also still have several running PDP-11's. You run a museum?    D. --  ;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News >         http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf  F Didier Morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation D    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2003 14:38:12 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks 9 Message-ID: <bmu7kk$qk3eb$3@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   4 In article <3f92461e$0$10425$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,% 	Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:. >> In article <bmprun$6l0$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,4 >> 	"Rob Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com> writes: >>  C >>>                   (How many people still have an Atari system?)t >> E >>  = >> I do, but then I also still have several running PDP-11's.m > You run a museum?E >   H I wish I did.  I have other relics as well and have, in the past, gottenF rid of a Prime, an Apollo and a couple of 3B2's.  I still have quite a collection.u  ? But I really like the PDP-11 and the VAX and if I ever work outd< licensing for the PDP-11's and if HP ever comes up with trueA workable edu licensing for the VAX and Alpha I would like to makesB these available for student use, kind of like a "hands-on" museum.A Perhaps then I could convince the Department to let me open it up D to the general public and I would put some of my other hardware here as well.   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   l   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2003 10:30:09 GMT/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>T Subject: Re: XNET?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-1rvQY6K18SIU@localhost>-  E On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:39:43 UTC, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) : wrote:  K > So, is everyone else getting SPAMMED by xnet.ro with some garbage writteneK > in a totally incomprehensible language that uses addresses very obviouslya > mined from c.o.v?r > F > It's really time to form USENET III and leave INTERNET mail and news > to the rabble. >  > bill >   C Whether its from XNET I can't say, I an getting on average 10/20 * uF 150000 bytes of Microschrott security patches each day. I have to kill@ 'em on the pop3 server before I get the 'normal spam'. Bollero!!  E I've finally set up anti-spam posting and reply addresses in my news 6 reader. Here goes...   -- 5 Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:33:05 -0500o( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: XNET?/ Message-ID: <00A2799B.B2CEEEE1.7@tachysoft.com>e  0 >From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: XNET?= > F >On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:39:43 UTC, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  >wrote:r >eL >> So, is everyone else getting SPAMMED by xnet.ro with some garbage writtenL >> in a totally incomprehensible language that uses addresses very obviously >> mined from c.o.v? >> aG >> It's really time to form USENET III and leave INTERNET mail and newsw >> to the rabble.e >> s >> billa >> y >eD >Whether its from XNET I can't say, I an getting on average 10/20 * G >150000 bytes of Microschrott security patches each day. I have to kill A >'em on the pop3 server before I get the 'normal spam'. Bollero!!  >pF >I've finally set up anti-spam posting and reply addresses in my news  >reader. Here goes...e >a    4 Nice of them to send it from .ro (Romania?), though.   ---w Rule ID: 732     Sender: *@*.RO)     Message:    All mail from .ro is spam M     Added: 13-OCT-2002 08:49:38.57, Ref count: 60, Last ref date: 17-OCT-2003  07:01:10.83a ---s    J By now, I block pretty much all eastern european, south american, african,5 middle eastern, and asian countries across the board.t  L In addition, you can stop the relays via these countries with rules such as  the following:   ---r Rule ID: 733!     Header: Received: from *.br *cM     Added: 13-OCT-2002 08:50:18.09, Ref count: 64, Last ref date: 17-OCT-2003i 05:27:39.28= ---   ) As you can see, these *are* getting hits.    WayneiO ===============================================================================,N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   eO ===============================================================================rH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"l   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:43:16 +0200u* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: XNET?0 Message-ID: <3F92B114.67C29557@sture.homeip.net>   Dave Weatherall wrote: > F > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:39:43 UTC, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) > wrote: > M > > So, is everyone else getting SPAMMED by xnet.ro with some garbage writtenaM > > in a totally incomprehensible language that uses addresses very obviously  > > mined from c.o.v?t  F Not here. The simple trick of using nospam@ in my return address seemsF to have been pretty effective so far. As required in the Ts & Cs of my) news service, it _is_ a valid address :/)    > >tH > > It's really time to form USENET III and leave INTERNET mail and news > > to the rabble. > >n > > bill > >s   I miss good old CompuServe.    > D > Whether its from XNET I can't say, I an getting on average 10/20 *H > 150000 bytes of Microschrott security patches each day. I have to killB > 'em on the pop3 server before I get the 'normal spam'. Bollero!! > F > I've finally set up anti-spam posting and reply addresses in my news > reader. Here goes... >  > -- > Cheers - Dave.  D But I still see what IIRC is your normal address in the From: field.   -- -
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