1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 20 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 582       Contents:P =?ISO-8859-1?Q?HP_announces_new_AlphaServer_systems_and?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_enhancP Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?HP_announces_new_AlphaServer_systems_and?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?__e, RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??! Re: Authentication via RSA Keyfob  Re: Clustering over GB Switches  Re: decserver 200/mc Re: decserver 200/mc@ Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? HR/Payroll Package on VMS ? Re: Itanium/Integrity & EV7/Marvel leadership benchmark results  Re: LGI Callout & SSH + OpenVMS 7.3-2 and Oracle RDB (last version) $ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?$ Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au?2 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment  Re: OT: Positions in Europe  Re: OT: Positions in Europe ( OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...K Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories " Re: question on patch nomenclature	 Re: rwast " SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?& Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?& Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?) Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices  Re: VMS defeated by wind Re: VMS defeated by wind Re: VMS defeated by wind VMS v8.2 has a name  Re: VMS v8.2 has a name  Re: VMS v8.2 has a name  Re: VMS v8.2 has a name  Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER?% Re: What is the performance of iVMS ? 8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks8 RE: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks Re: [~OT] Last _production_ VAX   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 06:46:57 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) Y Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?HP_announces_new_AlphaServer_systems_and?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_enhanc = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0310200546.6a2b2edb@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup, E This just came out (5 minutes ago), which means please give it enough ' time to reach the different HP offices.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue  __________________________D HP announces new AlphaServer systems and enhancements to Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS   > Today, October 20, 2003, HP has announced shipment of the most< powerful high-end AlphaServer system, the AlphaServer GS1280; 64-processor system and the new cost-effective, entry-level D AlphaServer DS15 system.  The AlphaServer GS1280 64-processor system? completes the roll out, which began in January 2003, of the new C generation of AlphaServer systems based on the EV7 Alpha processor. B The new single-processor AlphaServer DS15 system offers an updated@ replacement for the very successful entry-level AlphaServer DS10E system and provides more performance and reliability for the same low  price in the same form factor.  > The announced release of Tru64 UNIX V5.1B-1 provides improvedB scalability and performance enhancements, including virtual memoryC management with application-tunable big pages, and expanded storage ? capabilities.  The new release of OpenVMS 7.3-2 offers expanded C Storage Area Network (SAN) offerings, improved system availability, D increased I/O & SMP performance, as well as enhanced security, UNIXB portability and system management features.  AlphaServer EV7-basedE system support for OpenVMS Galaxy soft partitions with dynamic system ' resource allocation was also announced.   C "Today's announcement is a key component of our adaptive enterprise E strategy, allowing us to meet the demands of our customers, with more @ agility and better return on IT" said Rich Marcello, senior vice< president and general manager, HP Business Critical Systems.$ For more information, please visit: H http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/announce/oct_03.html?1020=sitename   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 10:32:19 -0700' From: n.rieck@sympatico.ca (Neil Rieck) Y Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?HP_announces_new_AlphaServer_systems_and?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?__e < Message-ID: <a5396d5d.0310200932.b508264@posting.google.com>  v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0310200546.6a2b2edb@posting.google.com>... > Dear Newsgroup, G > This just came out (5 minutes ago), which means please give it enough ) > time to reach the different HP offices.  >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue  > __________________________F > HP announces new AlphaServer systems and enhancements to Tru64 UNIX
 > and OpenVMS  > @ > Today, October 20, 2003, HP has announced shipment of the most> > powerful high-end AlphaServer system, the AlphaServer GS1280= > 64-processor system and the new cost-effective, entry-level F > AlphaServer DS15 system.  The AlphaServer GS1280 64-processor systemA > completes the roll out, which began in January 2003, of the new E > generation of AlphaServer systems based on the EV7 Alpha processor. D > The new single-processor AlphaServer DS15 system offers an updatedB > replacement for the very successful entry-level AlphaServer DS10G > system and provides more performance and reliability for the same low   > price in the same form factor. > @ > The announced release of Tru64 UNIX V5.1B-1 provides improvedD > scalability and performance enhancements, including virtual memoryE > management with application-tunable big pages, and expanded storage A > capabilities.  The new release of OpenVMS 7.3-2 offers expanded E > Storage Area Network (SAN) offerings, improved system availability, F > increased I/O & SMP performance, as well as enhanced security, UNIXD > portability and system management features.  AlphaServer EV7-basedG > system support for OpenVMS Galaxy soft partitions with dynamic system ) > resource allocation was also announced.  > E > "Today's announcement is a key component of our adaptive enterprise G > strategy, allowing us to meet the demands of our customers, with more B > agility and better return on IT" said Rich Marcello, senior vice> > president and general manager, HP Business Critical Systems.& > For more information, please visit: J > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/announce/oct_03.html?1020=sitename  I Yipee. According to the home page, OpenVMS-7.3-2 was also released today.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.  http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2003 07:06:06 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-7YgyMw27P8WO@localhost>   F On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:28:12 UTC, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:     > >-----Original Message----- / > >From: Main, Kerry [mailto:kerry.main@hp.com] * > >Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:26 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 > >Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??   <Snip>    I > >And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (June 2003) H > >Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS and IPF.K > >http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe  > >rger.html >  > And Guess who uses PL/I?   Ooops!!!   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:14:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? K Message-ID: <kRTkb.411336$Lnr1.320964@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Tom Linden wrote:  >> -----Original Message----- / >> From: Main, Kerry [mailto:kerry.main@hp.com] * >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:26 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >> Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----, >>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]# >>> Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM  >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >>> 
 >>> Kerry, >>> ? >>> No criticism of you here because I know that you don't have @ >>> first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we@ >>> c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but> >>> if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU> >>> conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said; >>> "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from a A >>> 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job : >>> in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking. >>>  >> >> John, >> >> Re: OpenVMS and Telecom ..  >>G >> As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show.  >> >> However, you also asked - >>B >> ">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in theE >> telecom field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So ? >> what products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?"  >>C >> And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (June E >> 2003) Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS  >> and IPF. K >> http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe  >> rger.html >  > And Guess who uses PL/I?    F I'm going waaay out on a limb here    -- I think what you're saying isL that it's not The Guess Who (a somewhat noted rock band from the 70's) whichK uses PL/1 in their act but rather HP's ISV 'partner', Schlumberger, who are L going to get their legs cut out from under them by HP's failure to assist inL doing what they need to do with the GEM compiler so your PL/1 product can be ported?   K Perhaps Kerry meant to add that Schlumberger is going to completely rewrite J their software in C/C++ in time for the first shipping version of IA64/VMSH and test it out on telco's who think that the version they're getting inI 2004 is the same codebase as the Alpha/VMS version. When it f*cks up, the K customers will blame Schlumberger and that goddamn no good for nothing VMS.    Retain Trust indeed.  L But speaking of The Guess Who, HP has commissioned them to take one of their: hit tunes "American Woman" and change the lyrics a bit....   "Conway and Greis   Get away from me.  Conway and Gries   Come on and let me be."  B Conway and Greis wrote one of the seminal undergrad c/s texts, "An/ Introduction To Programming - featuring  PL/1".      begin 666 wink.gif= M1TE&.#EA#P`/`+,``````+^_O___```````````````````````````````` = M`````````````````````"'Y! $```$`+ `````/``\```0T,$@):ITX5,'Y = MQ4 G>E,XC@`EF.MJIJSEQ>PI;C9:YZYGOQK?C12<R8C%7P;7^60TEA0F`@`[  `  end    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:17:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? K Message-ID: <AUTkb.411398$Lnr1.179326@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- + >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] " >> Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>	 >> Kerry,  >>> >> No criticism of you here because I know that you don't have? >> first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we ? >> c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but = >> if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU = >> conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said : >> "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from a@ >> 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job9 >> in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking.  >> >  > John,  >  > Re: OpenVMS and Telecom .. > F > As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show. >  > However, you also asked -  > A > ">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the D > telecom field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So> > what products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?" > H > And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (June 2003)G > Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS and IPF. J > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe > rger.html  > G > I am not going to say that marketing could not be improved, but there F > are some (ok, not of the Wall Street Journal size)recent good thingsD > happening as well wrt OpenVMS promotions. Just look at the OpenVMSH > Technical Update sessions - which continue to be well received in many# > different areas around the globe.  > D > As an another example, go to www.hp.com. Select Software Products.C > Now, compare that page to previous Compaq/Digital web pages as it - > applies to OpenVMS options being displayed.  > F > Also, check out recent PDF testimonial files in HP format. These get< > sent to Customers with proposals and "fyi .." type emails. > . > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/ >  > And the following:J > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/Oct03.ht > mlB > "ISV commitment & enthusiasm continues to grow with over 500 ISV@ > applications now committed to port to HP OpenVMS Itanium-basedC > Integrity servers." (and this is before native compilers are even  > available) > F > Hey - I agree marketing could be improved with all of HP's OS's, butD > by the same token, some improvements are happening wrt to OpenVMS.     Kerry,  J You're a level-headed observant guy, and you're probably an HP shareholderD too. As a shareholder, if you are indeed one, and as a person who isK extremely knowledgeable about VMS and can see the sales possibilities of it J every working day, you ought to be livid at not seeing a decent attempt atI making VMS widely visible. Just what the hell is wrong with HP management 5 that they don't see fit to advertise a great product?   F A few years ago everyone expected branded unix and windows to rule theJ world. Today, more and more corporations and governments are seeing what aD problem depending on windows and, to a lesser extent, unix/linux is.  H Organizations are primed and more receptive to hear about something thatB simply works and works simply, without problems. VMS is that value: proposition, or at least it's one of very few that exists.  I I know that you and your colleagues are trying to look on the bright side L when you point out the items of interest and the few 'rays of VMS hope' thatL seem to be cast about by HP almost as if by accident. I also suspect that if you D dared to speak what is probably really on your mind, you'd be fired.    H So let me put things to you slightly differently, as I have to others in c.o.v. in off-line exchanges:   F Ferrari advertises both their Ferrari and Maserati brands. Rolls RoyceL advertises in print. Mercedes does primetime television ads for the S55 AMG*I (which have probably cost them several million to make and air vs. annual I sales of perhaps 1000 units). Porsche advertises their 911 series. All of J these vehicles are at or near the top-end of the automotive market with anL aggregate global marketshare of probably 0.01% or less (not unlike VMS). YetL that does not stop Ferrari, Rolls, Mercedes and Porsche from advertising andK increasing their unit sales of these vehicles year-over-year. These vendors F all create brand and model awareness while pushing specific low-volume% products at the highest price ranges.   F If HP executives do not understand this about VMS, then they should beC fired. They clearly are not doing what is in the shareholder's best 
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 MODELSELECTOR @ AMG-built intercooled supercharged SOHC 5.5L 24-valve V-8 engine 493 hp @ 6,100 rpm 516 lb-ft @ 2,750 - 4,000 rpm  0-60 mph in 4.6 seconds 0 MSRP: $110,170.00 USD (dealer may sell for less)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 11:14:51 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) * Subject: Re: Authentication via RSA Keyfob3 Message-ID: <ShXrr8EGtLos@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <vp6dnbZJYvSUEg-iRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> writes:  > @ >     Is anyone doing Telnet authentication via RSA keyfob....?    	I know multinet, so...   - 	I believe there are 3 card mehods supported.   & 	Regarding the most popular, SecureID.5 	Multinet supports SecureID but not as a server,  you & 	"point"  to an authentication server:  1 http://www.opus1.com/mnetdoc/admin_guide/Ch12.htm     N If the MultiNet Secure/IP Client cannot contact the MultiNet Secure/IP Server, the following message appears:    ; Error opening connection to Secure/IP authentication server    --  = 	Crypto Cards are pretty cheap, Stephen Arnold is a reseller:    CRYPTOCard   Arnold Consulting, Inc. ( 2530 Targhee Street, Madison, Wisconsin  53711-5491 U.S.A. ' Phone : 608-278-7700 Fax: 608-278-7701  # Email: Stephen.L.Arnold@Arnold.Com  ? CRYPTOCard is a modern, SecureID-sized, SNK-compatible device.    = 	Advantage there is Multinet is a CRYPTO server.  By the way, A 	SecureID infrastructure isn't cheap, but you may have Enterprise  	needs and budget.  8 	Likewise , there are SKEY cards out there but I haven'tF 	tracked them down.  Personally, I'm using SKEY generated keys stored D 	in a spreadsheet on a PDA.  In fact, while I wasn't looking I just A 	got booted on idle timeout so I have to login again, here is an  	 	example:      Username: myusername@ Challenge: s/key 273 f8873evbi0u87zo        ! The SEED is munged$ Response: OR SWAY ASKS AVER MILE EAR  4          Welcome to OpenVMS Alpha - Version V7.3-1    =     Last interactive login on Monday, 20-OCT-2003 08:56:58.24 A     Last non-interactive login on Monday, 13-OCT-2003 13:49:18.40   *             You have 15 new Mail messages.  C 	Advantage here is Multinet is a SKEY server, and it is very cheap  4 	(my time), and one time pads are a beautiful thing.   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 09:17:59 -07000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)( Subject: Re: Clustering over GB Switches< Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0310200817.30d1232@posting.google.com>  v keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0310171446.4b53aa6d@posting.google.com>...w > dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) wrote in message news:<a3c44af1.0310161359.2034df25@posting.google.com>...   G > As other posters have noted, most likely auto-negotiation between the H > switch and the Alphas is failing.  You may have to either dig into theA > Cisco manuals far enough to determine how to hard-code the port E > settings to Gigabit speed and Full-Duplex, or pay someone who knows D > Cisco IOS commands to do so for you.  Or return the Ciscos and buy% > switches from dnpg.com instead. :-)   D The SYSGEN parameter "LAN_FLAGS" is already set to 32, and at system: boot time the Gigabit Adapters are automatically set to NOB AUTONEGOTIATE.    I have opened a ticket with our Network Group toB have someone come and configure the switches, making sure that allE ports are HARD set to SPEED=1000, FULL-DUPLEX and NO AUTONEGOTIATE.   > Also I have been told that this is effectively "HARDWARE" Flow Control.   
 > > When IE > > brought up the second node it attempted to create its own cluster F > > (which caused me to do an immediate "HALT" on the system to try toF > > forstall any partitioning issues).     This clearly indicated thatD > > NODE_2 could not communicate with the "up" node, NODE_1, via the > > switch.  > E > The other thing this seems to clearly indicate is that your setting D > for EXPECTED_VOTES must be too low.  It should be the total of allE > VOTES parameter values in the cluster, plus QDSKVOTES if you have a  > quorum disk.  E I am not sure that I understand this reference to EXPECTED_VOTES.   I F am not trying to configure a new cluster member, I am merely trying to@ reform a pre-existing cluster via a reconfigured interconnect.  @ Surely, if EXPECTED_VOTES worked before, it should work after.  F (NOTE: the "Point-to-Point" cluster has been rebooted many times, bothF one node at a time, and Cluster reboot, without any problems regarding EXPECTED_VOTES).   > > Another way to approach this migration would be to leave oneE > cross-connect cable in place temporarily while you debug the switch > > connection using the other Gigabit cards.  Then once the one? > connection via the switch is working, convert the other side.   > This seems like an interesting option which had not previouslyD occurred to me.   How can I monitor the activity on the two adaptersE ??   In particular, if I move one to the Switch, how can I tell if it 
 is active.  F > That's good.  They just need to be able to bridge the SCS (EthertypeE > 60-07) protocol.  Not being connected to an IP network can insulate D > your cluster interconnect hardware from many problems, although it< > makes it more difficult to manage or monitor the switches.  E My Network guru is suggesting that I set up a VLAN on the switches so D that the SCS ports can be "Private", however the switch can still be> accessed by the main network for management purposes (and also  monitored by OpenView, I guess).C As a non-Network person, I ask the question, "Would this be an O.K.  move ??"   H > Speaking of monitoring, I recommend setting up LAVC$FAILURE_ANALYSIS. G > See my article in the VMS Technical Journal V2 for the easy way to do A > that.  See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html   E I saw your very interesting article in the Technical journal and have / it under consideration, (once I figure it out).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:05:55 +0200 ' From: Jean-Luc <r-jl.nospam@wanadoo.fr>  Subject: Re: decserver 200/mc ' Message-ID: <Usenet.feseiffb@localhost>    Dan Williams wrote:  > E > Would anyone be kind enough to send me the boot file for this, as I % > don't have the layered products cd.  >  > Thanks > Dan   4 I try  send you the boot file but i get the message:   Your message  8   Subject: Boot files for DS200 Jean-Luc RAYON.vcf [2/2]   was not delivered to:      dan_williams@ntlworld.com    because:  D   Error transferring to smtp.NTLWORLD.COM; SMTP Protocol Returned a 4   Permanent Error 503 Rejected by final destination    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:46:37 +0200 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: decserver 200/mc 9 Message-ID: <bn07hg$rpu5u$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   = "Dan Williams" <dan_williams@ntlworld.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:79dac501.0310191003.5f39b693@posting.google.com... E > Would anyone be kind enough to send me the boot file for this, as I % > don't have the layered products cd.  >  > Thanks > Dan   H I posted a ZIP file with the .SYS file. However News.Cis.Dfn.De does notH allow binary attachments so it does not show up there. If you send me anH email I can reply to then I'll send you the file directly. To send me an7 email remove the string ".nieuw" from my email address.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 07:26:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: Did someone ask HP for VAX to Itanium cluster possibilities? 3 Message-ID: <KcXQCQBfeY$P@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3f90715c$0$236$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  > H > Wrong. I answered the survey, I remember very well the question and I  > did ask for this feature.   E    Must be quite an ego breaker to learn that your one request is not &    enough for HP to do something.  8-(   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:26:03 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)" Subject: HR/Payroll Package on VMS1 Message-ID: <03102011260307@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   F Anyone have a "supported" 3rd-party HR/Payroll package running on VMS?  = Any information concerning that product would be appreciated!    TIA      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:54:37 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> H Subject: Re: Itanium/Integrity & EV7/Marvel leadership benchmark results2 Message-ID: <hrUkb.7407$c_1.4392@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:soWdnZ3sDq33IRKiU-KYhw@metrocast.net... > K > No, Fred:  you're just stuck in such a hole that *any* illumination seems B > blinding.  These days I don't really have to do much to keep theI > conversations here honest:  plenty of other people are in possession of L > sufficient clue to do so - and appear to be sufficiently motivated *to* do > so.  >   K There you go again.  Of course, your sense of self importance won't let you ' see it though.  The judge of "honesty".   K > If you find such honesty tiresome, why don't you try to take steps to fix K > the corporate problems that bring it out?  That would seem to be a pretty / > optimal solution from *everyone's* viewpoint.  >   K I don't find honesty tiresome at all...  but I find you beyond tiresome.  A I pretty optimal solution would be for you to spend more time on things you L actually know something about.  At this point, you are just some gadfly, whoH doesn't use the product, who for some reason believes he is the light of+ "truth" and reason.  Got news.  You aren't.   > Your half informed guesswork, supposition, interpolations, andD prognositcations  -along with your "indignation" over something that> admittedly *had no material effect on you* - is old and tired.  K A handful (really, pretty much counted on one hand here) of people here can I be counted on to find something negative in anything positive.  You among K them.  You don't contribute anything other than to badmouth everything, and , pretty much anybody that disagrees with you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:52:41 +0400 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU> Subject: Re: LGI Callout & SSH3 Message-ID: <4C2D754F6640FDEDD15EC20FF9E3C366@nntp>    Hi Bob!    Bob Koehler wrote:  r > In article <85D8F3A6D73895A24376567B7F243739@nntp>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU> writes: >  > G >>Status:                   %LIB-F-ACTIMAGE, error activating image !AS  >  > B >    analyze/image/interactive will tell you all the images you'reD >    image is using.  Your image or one of the images it's linked to( >    is too protected or can't be found. > G >    Make no assumptions about how the network layer finds your images. ; 	ADUIT showed me that "SSH" looking for <lgi_image>_TV.EXE!    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 08:17:48 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)4 Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-2 and Oracle RDB (last version)= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0310200717.16190e68@posting.google.com>   @ What is the last version of Oracle RDB supported by OVMS 7.3-2 ?@ Whate are the benefits of upgrading to OVMS 7.3-2 in an ES-40 ? D I am running an ES-40 with OVMS 7.3 !  We dont have much "window" to> upgrade, so if we do that, we dont want compatibiliy problems.   Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 00:46:52 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho)- Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? = Message-ID: <d0141774.0310192346.728048a8@posting.google.com>   ; I've just been through this with more or less the same kit. = Even though it *says* the IDE CD-ROM should boot, it doesn't. E Get a SCSI CD-ROM, pretty much anything stolen from a PC should work, < as even though VMS moans about the 512 byte block size being incorrect, it will still work.F Warning: older DEC SCSI CD-ROM's (RRD42) don't work either (too slow I think).  Hope this helps.  ^ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3f91c5f2$0$27035$626a54ce@news.free.fr>... > netnews.comcast.net wrote: >  > > CONSOLE was set to GRAPHICS  > >  > >  >>>B -FL 0,20000 dka09 > > indicates it hangs while checking status system disk. G > > Since FreeBSD is currently installed on the disk, can this somehow  , > > causes the installation program to hang? > 1 > No. You can boot a diskless system from the CD.  > K > Then, you reach a DCL menu which allows you to format any system disk it  C > reckognizes. So the preinstalled FreeBSd should not be a problem.  > A > Could you open the box, unplug the IDE flat cable, then reboot?  >  > D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:07:42 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)- Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? . Message-ID: <bn0mmu$j1v$2@newslocal.mitre.org>  ~ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes in article <3f91c5f2$0$27035$626a54ce@news.free.fr> dated Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:59:53 +0200: >netnews.comcast.net wrote:  >  >> CONSOLE was set to GRAPHICS >>   >>  >>>B -FL 0,20000 dka0 8 >> indicates it hangs while checking status system disk.F >> Since FreeBSD is currently installed on the disk, can this somehow + >> causes the installation program to hang?  > 0 >No. You can boot a diskless system from the CD.  K True, but the above command is either booting from a SCSI disk (he said his J CD was IDE) or he has very old firmware which refers to IDE devices as DK.I The current firmware which is required for 7.3-1 uses DQ to designate IDE  devices.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:54:01 -0500 . From: "netnews.comcast.net" <duon0035@umn.edu>- Subject: Re: openVMS alpha 7.3.1 on PWS600au? + Message-ID: <bn13r5$5h0$2@lenny.tc.umn.edu>    Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes in article <3f91c5f2$0$27035$626a54ce@news.free.fr> dated Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:59:53 +0200: >  >>netnews.comcast.net wrote: >> >> >>>CONSOLE was set to GRAPHICS >>>  >>> >>>B -FL 0,20000 dka0 8 >>>indicates it hangs while checking status system disk.F >>>Since FreeBSD is currently installed on the disk, can this somehow + >>>causes the installation program to hang?  >>1 >>No. You can boot a diskless system from the CD.  >  > M > True, but the above command is either booting from a SCSI disk (he said his L > CD was IDE) or he has very old firmware which refers to IDE devices as DK.K > The current firmware which is required for 7.3-1 uses DQ to designate IDE 
 > devices. > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  : According to http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware  D The latest SRM Console firmware for digital personal workstation is E V7.2-1. It refers to my IDE cdrom as dka0, and the scsi disk as dkd0. ) I never see any DQ devices in "show dev".    -Duy   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:44:21 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 2 Message-ID: <FhUkb.7405$K72.4307@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:4qednSKfDbTAJBKiU-KYuA@metrocast.net... > F > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message. > news:X2Djb.7211$v55.5586@news.cpqcorp.net... > >  > > Give it up Bill. > - >  2+ years ago I stated that I would be here  >  for the duration   L As if I (or 99.7% of those who read this conference) really care what you've7 babbled over the last 2 years.  You're a broken record.   L Trust me, we will forgive you if you don't stay in "for the duration".  TakeI some time off.  Write some Howard Dean letters.  Make welcome baskets for : the free staters.  Travel to Iraq.  We wont mind.  Really.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:04:00 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 8 Message-ID: <ua58pv047c6ne5sauq8vo14mqvhnbidgdj@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:41:54 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    + >2+ years ago I stated that I would be hereuK >for the duration (until Alpha got resurrected or those responsible for itsnJ >demise, and the lies surrounding it, were purged from the corporation).    B Well, if neither of these has happened in 2+ years, are you reallyH confident that your one-man crusade will have any possibility of success for either of those two goals?  G Attempts to torpedo any positive development that does come about won'tr5 accomplish either of those goals, that's for certain.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:12:39 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment' Message-ID: <bn0ft3$ja1$1@lore.csc.com>    Alan Greig wrote:. > b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F906C22.94DD7BEB@fsi.net>... > > Nigel Barker wrote:n ...  > > >0U > > > The 'New Scientist' is a popular science magazine i.e. you will find it on sale P > > > in most good news vendors in the UK. It's far more mainstream than most ITS > > > publications. It would be read by scientists, technologists & intelligent layE
 > > > people.  > >iH > > Well, that does a good job of excluding ivory-tower types. How do we? > > reach them? Maybe get Bart Simpson as a spokes-character...  > 6 > Reaches the "Scientific American"  audience as well.  
 (Hi Alan!)  D Do the ivory tower types care what the solution is, along as it's in budget and works?Y  F OpenVMS adverts here hit (one of) the spot(s) for me, implementors and designers of IT solutions.  D Why not look at this ad a different way, it says UNIX and not HP-UX.   -- a? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesh nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:22:18 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment0 Message-ID: <3F940A4A.8C7B5A90@blueyonder.co.uk>   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Alan Greig wrote:a > >Cd > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F906C22.94DD7BEB@fsi.net>... > > > Nigel Barker wrote:  > ...- > > > >-W > > > > The 'New Scientist' is a popular science magazine i.e. you will find it on sale7R > > > > in most good news vendors in the UK. It's far more mainstream than most ITU > > > > publications. It would be read by scientists, technologists & intelligent lay3 > > > > people.@ > > >.J > > > Well, that does a good job of excluding ivory-tower types. How do weA > > > reach them? Maybe get Bart Simpson as a spokes-character...s > > 8 > > Reaches the "Scientific American"  audience as well. >  > (Hi Alan!) > F > Do the ivory tower types care what the solution is, along as it's in > budget and works?n >   Q Yes, but remember they have a vast pool of resource (postgrads and postdocs time)4? which doesn't get explicitly considered like it is in business.S  eH > OpenVMS adverts here hit (one of) the spot(s) for me, implementors and > designers of IT solutions.  H Sure, if there are any that remember IT systems that were simple for the  user and really worked reliably.   > F > Why not look at this ad a different way, it says UNIX and not HP-UX. >     and your point is? VMS is unix?t   -- p tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:42:22 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment' Message-ID: <bn1379$qcn$1@lore.csc.com>w   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > Nic Clews wrote: > >gH > > Do the ivory tower types care what the solution is, along as it's in > > budget and works?o > >n > S > Yes, but remember they have a vast pool of resource (postgrads and postdocs time)sA > which doesn't get explicitly considered like it is in business.e > J > > OpenVMS adverts here hit (one of) the spot(s) for me, implementors and > > designers of IT solutions. > J > Sure, if there are any that remember IT systems that were simple for the" > user and really worked reliably.  F My interpretation is that this is a potentially new audience who would ask "what is OpenVMS?"  H > > Why not look at this ad a different way, it says UNIX and not HP-UX. > >o > ! > and your point is? VMS is unix?h  H No, OpenVMS is OpenVMS, UNIX is, well take your pick (flavour) and whileD we're expecting HP-UX will be delivered (with Tru64 enhancements) it wasn't mentioned by name.k   -- j? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences= nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 10:42:14 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera)s* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment< Message-ID: <66a00d01.0310200942.1b48199@posting.google.com>  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bn0ft3$ja1$1@lore.csc.com>...  > Alan Greig wrote:  > > d > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F906C22.94DD7BEB@fsi.net>... > > > Nigel Barker wrote:o >  ... > > > >2W > > > > The 'New Scientist' is a popular science magazine i.e. you will find it on salelR > > > > in most good news vendors in the UK. It's far more mainstream than most ITU > > > > publications. It would be read by scientists, technologists & intelligent layo > > > > people.a > > >nJ > > > Well, that does a good job of excluding ivory-tower types. How do weA > > > reach them? Maybe get Bart Simpson as a spokes-character...t > > 8 > > Reaches the "Scientific American"  audience as well. >  > (Hi Alan!) > F > Do the ivory tower types care what the solution is, along as it's in > budget and works?s  E Depends. If it fails to meet any expectations, "what the solution is"iF could determine who gets roasted and who gets the big, fat contract to replace it.   C Then again, if it's Micro$lop, they expect it fail and no one cares B when it does. They just write out the checks to cover the downtimeA losses and wait for the next virus / trojan / worm / etc. to hit.    -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:25:33 GMTr9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>l* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment2 Message-ID: <hUUkb.7413$8b2.5661@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:UREjb.355155$Lnr1.235559@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...o >sJ > Serious question Fred - do you and your engineering colleagues in Nashua: > ever wonder why HP does not do VMS-specific advertising?  B Many engineers in the trenches would love to see some VMS-specificL advertising.  We don't get a vote in it, nor are we privvy to the budget and) strategy planning for this type of thing.s  L But this isn't something HP specific.  This complaint is at *least* a decade old.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:45:13 +02000" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>$ Subject: Re: OT: Positions in Europe4 Message-ID: <3f939295$0$27033$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  > > How are the OpenVMS positions in EU ? Spain/UK and Germany ?   Calm in France.n   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:17:22 GMTo4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: OT: Positions in Europe0 Message-ID: <3F940924.9232C7EE@blueyonder.co.uk>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > > How are the OpenVMS positions in EU ? Spain/UK and Germany ?  E UK is more or less atable at post WTC levels. Unless you have current < experience with the very latest hardware or very specializedA application experience not easy. Ex-HP employees flooding market./    > < > I am almost free from my obligations in Brazil ! May/2004. >  > And Ich lerne Deutsch ! :-)0 > 4 > I think I will accept Computer Operator Jobs too !2 > Not much different from System Manager job ! :-/ > ; Except you may not get interviews due to overqualification.m     regardsd	 > Regards  >  > FC   -- M tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 06:14:07 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)1 Subject: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...>= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0310200514.6ba659c8@posting.google.com>a   In my own perspective:  # a) He knows Sun will be acquired...o  D b) Motorola (a.k.a. PowerPC) is splitting its Semiconductor Division in another company;y  @ c) May be it will be acquired by AMD in the Future...Who knows ?  M d) Sun is using AMD processors in their products. Is it a step do give SPARC >
 to AMD. (???)   F e) I suggest reading the news about Texas Instruments (SPARC factory).  Q e) AMD + Power PC + SPARC = Intel + Alpha + PA-RISC = PROCESSOR CONSOLIDATION !!!a  E In resume: Does not matter the processors anymore ! It becoming just 1 a piece of hardware. What matters is it speed... h   Regards.   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:46:38 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) T Subject: Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories2 Message-ID: <OOQkb.7374$tL1.2687@news.cpqcorp.net>  % In article <bms2v6$iuk$1@online.de>,  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  E >So I guess the undo feature is really only intended for undoing the tI >install of a patch shortly after it is installed (i.e. before something : >else is installed)?   Yes.  C >I'm about to do some VMS upgrades and then apply patches---OS and hG >layered products.  Obviously, I have to upgrade and then apply the OS oF >patches.  When should I install the layered products?  Before the OS H >upgrade (if possible)?  Between the OS upgrade and the patches for the 8 >OS?  After the OS patches (this is what I had planned).  I If you want to preserve the ability to UNDO the patches, they must be the E LAST thing you install.  If possible (i.e. if they do not require the I new operating system version) I would install the layered products BEFOREaK upgrading OpenVMS, and the patches after.  Any LPs that cannot be installeduJ on the old version of OpenVMS can be installed between the OpenVMS upgrade and the patches installation.i  K EXCEPTION --  if you need the PCSI patch (which you will if this is before nL V7.3-2 and you want to use /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA), it must be installed after L the OpenVMS upgrade and before the other patches.  I would make it the FIRST thing after upgrading.  J >Normally, I think that one can install ALL patches then reboot once.  Or 8 >should I install the PCSI patch, reboot, then continue?  K I am not sure that the PCSI patch requires a reboot.  See the documentation  that comes with the patch.  H In any case, you must install the PCSI patch first, reboot if necessary,' and then install the remaining patches.T   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:55:04 +0200.: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>+ Subject: Re: question on patch nomenclatureo, Message-ID: <bn00rk$h0f9@doiweb4.wob.vw.vwg>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:> >     ECO NUMBER:   DFGE01026e >     ----------H >     PRODUCT:      COMPAQ Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS Version 2.6-1 >     ---------- > M >     UPDATED PRODUCT: COMPAQ Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS Version 2.6-E01a >     ---------------a > # >     APPROX BLK SIZE: 30051 blocks  >     ---------------- > M >     Cover Letter for COMPAQ Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS Version 2.6-E01v >  >     Kit Description: >     ----------------$ >     This kit is a full kit update. > G > What does "full kit update" mean?  Does it mean that it replaces all  C > files in the 2.6 kit?  Or does it mean that I can install 2.6 by .E > installing this patch, even if I am running a lower version of the   > product or even none at all? > T There is no need to install V2.6 beforehand, you can install V2.6-1 directly over anO older version or on a system without DFG. But there is V2.7-1 already availabler   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardse    Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.dem- mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.dec   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 03 06:29:37 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com  Subject: Re: rwast( Message-ID: <nSVvKjhbGC$p@cpva.saic.com>  4 In article <bmoodo$nm9$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>,3  Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:r4 > We had a process (a listener) go into RWAST today.( > It showed an astlm of 0, astcnt of 99.' > I believe the original astlm was 100.iE > I tried raising pcb$l_astcnt & phd$l_astlm (using a variant of Jim  G > McKinney's bump_bytlm code posted here a few weeks ago - thanks Jim).t > H > It worked for astcnt, but not for astlm, and the process stayed stuck. >   I Maybe you didn't increase ASTLM enough and what you did add was consumed?o Try increasing further..._  H > I've rebooted, with astlm 250, but the process doesn't ever appear to I > use more than 2-3 asts or so. It does have up to 40 or so subprocesses V > (servers for clients). > . > Questions: how do I unjam an RWAST process ?    E Depends... waiting on IO completion (SDA> SHOW PROC/CHAN ! any busy?)hD maybe? communication with your subprocesses is being held up perhaps (MBAnn's busy)?n  " > What's with astlm 0, astcnt 99 ?J > How do I find out what's going on with it ? (force_process_dump doesn't ! > work, since it relies on ASTs).a > 	 > Thanks,  > Chris  >   K You might find the following article useful (paste the two lines together).a  < http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/ 0094A663-57DAB060-1C0069.htmlt   -- l - Jimo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:48:07 +0200t" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>+ Subject: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?l4 Message-ID: <3f939342$0$27033$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  B What should I do to have an SMTP/POP server running on my VMS box # instead of using the one of my ISP?   D The box is behind an ADSL router. I NATted the FTP, HTTP and TELNET 6 ports to it, but is there such SMTP port to "NAT" too?  ) A good HOW2 would be greatly appreciated.t   Thanks,    D. --  ;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News >         http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf  F Didier Morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationoD    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:15:22 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?c) Message-ID: <3F93999A.2D1DEF10@istop.com>.   Didier Morandi wrote:s > C > What should I do to have an SMTP/POP server running on my VMS boxs% > instead of using the one of my ISP?m > E > The box is behind an ADSL router. I NATted the FTP, HTTP and TELNETs8 > ports to it, but is there such SMTP port to "NAT" too? > + > A good HOW2 would be greatly appreciated.a  F For inbound mail, your NAT router must forward port 25 requests to the" computer that has the SMTP server.  N For inbound POP connections, your NAT router must forward port 110 reqiests to% the machine that runs the POP server.   K When you define your domain name, make sure MX records are defined as well.e   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:47:28 +0000 (UTC)p, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)/ Subject: Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?.. Message-ID: <bn0lh0$j1v$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  ~ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes in article <3f939342$0$27033$626a54ce@news.free.fr> dated Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:48:07 +0200:C >What should I do to have an SMTP/POP server running on my VMS box v$ >instead of using the one of my ISP? >cE >The box is behind an ADSL router. I NATted the FTP, HTTP and TELNET g7 >ports to it, but is there such SMTP port to "NAT" too?a  < SMTP runs on port 25, but there's a lot more you need to do:  ? 1.  Register a domain and DNS server (yours or someone else's).   K 2.  Add a MX type record to the DNS server which point from the mail domainaH to the SMTP server's host name.  Also set your SMTP server to honor that domain.a  J 3.  Add an A type record to the DNS server which points from the host name to the IP address.  " That's what worked for me, anyway.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2003 07:06:05 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>2 Subject: Re: SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE and SCSI devices5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Sdr1MlSJu0D1@localhost>   ? On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:15:39 UTC, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry e Kilgallen) wrote:t   > > old timmers usen > >  > > $ mc sysgen a a  > D > Particularly if they come form a Unix background or for some other2 > reason do not believe in documenting their work.  D One doesn't waste time documenting things that only last while they  scroll up 24 lines ;-)   -- e Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:40:53 +0100g* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by wind ' Message-ID: <bn0e1h$ihq$1@lore.csc.com>2  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:i > i > In article <3F9043E5.37F1B521@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:a ...t > >iF > >More seriously, like Nic I would be worried about IP enabled UPS's. >  > What is the worry? > % > Serial cable from UPS to VAX/Alpha?e' > Ethernet cable from UPS to VAX/Alpha?l  F To explain my more cynical side, I'd have no reason to doubt that whenG an "operating system" is selected for the "intelligent" UPS / PSU, that @ it would be of the Windoze variant, and just as prone to gettingH knobbled by the latest worm or virus, as a twig on a transmission line.   D If we're expecting something network enabled, it'll be the "de facto= standard" Transient Control Protocol / Intermittent Protocol.4  A The difference between that and a serial cable, is that a networkaG assistant could trip up over the serial cable, pulling it out, but thatoH is probably the worst that could happen. OK, mice or rats could chew it,D but you get the idea. The only "hacking" that would interfere with aF serial connection is that with a large pair of garden shears, probablyH wielded by a disgruntled network technician who can't "manage" the cable with a web interface.O   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:18:45 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by windT0 Message-ID: <00A27A62.E4417A6B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <bn0e1h$ihq$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> Tj >> In article <3F9043E5.37F1B521@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes: >....h >> >G >> >More seriously, like Nic I would be worried about IP enabled UPS's.  >>   >> What is the worry?o >>  & >> Serial cable from UPS to VAX/Alpha?( >> Ethernet cable from UPS to VAX/Alpha? >hG >To explain my more cynical side, I'd have no reason to doubt that when H >an "operating system" is selected for the "intelligent" UPS / PSU, thatA >it would be of the Windoze variant, and just as prone to getting I >knobbled by the latest worm or virus, as a twig on a transmission line. f  E I have been selling control/management software for APC's line of UPSrE which use a protocol APC developed.  The protocol is feature rich butmF not all that robust.  The software I developed (UPShot) can manipulateE and report UPS parameters using this protocol.  I'd support other UPSuF manufacturers but the others to not have the feature pool that the APC protocol provides.  F Many of these new UPS do have web based and/or SNMP based control that is not Weendoze specific.     E >If we're expecting something network enabled, it'll be the "de facto > >standard" Transient Control Protocol / Intermittent Protocol. >gB >The difference between that and a serial cable, is that a networkH >assistant could trip up over the serial cable, pulling it out, but thatI >is probably the worst that could happen. OK, mice or rats could chew it, E >but you get the idea. The only "hacking" that would interfere with aSG >serial connection is that with a large pair of garden shears, probablydI >wielded by a disgruntled network technician who can't "manage" the cablen >with a web interface.  E A simple cross-over cable between the UPS and VMS box suffer the sametE worse case "hacking".  The addition of a second NIC card would permit E the VMS box to talk to the UPS and to the network.  Many of the newer ( VMS boxes already come with dual NICs.     -- eL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:47:15 +0100o* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>! Subject: Re: VMS defeated by windM' Message-ID: <bn0vvt$pad$1@lore.csc.com>o  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:. > V > In article <bn0e1h$ihq$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:  I > >To explain my more cynical side, I'd have no reason to doubt that when-J > >an "operating system" is selected for the "intelligent" UPS / PSU, thatC > >it would be of the Windoze variant, and just as prone to gettinggJ > >knobbled by the latest worm or virus, as a twig on a transmission line. > G > I have been selling control/management software for APC's line of UPSlG > which use a protocol APC developed.  The protocol is feature rich butlH > not all that robust.  The software I developed (UPShot) can manipulateG > and report UPS parameters using this protocol.  I'd support other UPSlH > manufacturers but the others to not have the feature pool that the APC > protocol provides. > H > Many of these new UPS do have web based and/or SNMP based control that > is not Weendoze specific.   4 Perhaps there's a future for planet Earth after all.  D > >The difference between that and a serial cable, is that a networkJ > >assistant could trip up over the serial cable, pulling it out, but thatK > >is probably the worst that could happen. OK, mice or rats could chew it, G > >but you get the idea. The only "hacking" that would interfere with aoI > >serial connection is that with a large pair of garden shears, probablyfK > >wielded by a disgruntled network technician who can't "manage" the cablem > >with a web interface. > G > A simple cross-over cable between the UPS and VMS box suffer the samedG > worse case "hacking".  The addition of a second NIC card would permitdG > the VMS box to talk to the UPS and to the network.  Many of the newer6( > VMS boxes already come with dual NICs.   Good point, I concede that.:  , I like the name, UPShot, is it a double TLA?   -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:23:52 +0200r" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: VMS v8.2 has a name4 Message-ID: <3f93eff9$0$27046$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  " "OpenVMS for HP Integrity Servers"  L http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/index.html?jumpid=go/integrity   D. --  ;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News.>         http://www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf  F Didier Morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationiD    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:44:30 -0700 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: VMS v8.2 has a name6 Message-ID: <200310201444.h9KEiUc9025951@www.aarg.net>  8 On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:# >"OpenVMS for HP Integrity Servers"s > M >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/index.html?jumpid=go/integrityu  < Isn't that the version that's supposed to be codenamed Jaws?     Doc. -- 'K OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com     http://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:05:23 +0200o" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>  Subject: Re: VMS v8.2 has a name& Message-ID: <3F9407C3.CF3B4EBC@hp.com>  & Jaws is the internal codename for V8.1 The codename for V8.2 is Topaz.r   Guyb   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:   : > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:% > >"OpenVMS for HP Integrity Servers"d > >sO > >http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/index.html?jumpid=go/integrityo >o> > Isn't that the version that's supposed to be codenamed Jaws? >e > Doc. > --M > OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.sM > [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com     http://vmsbox.cjb.netn   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 11:06:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o  Subject: Re: VMS v8.2 has a name3 Message-ID: <jnTOTE31caAP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <3f93eff9$0$27046$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: $ > "OpenVMS for HP Integrity Servers" > N > http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/index.html?jumpid=go/integrity  F I would presume the VAX VMS 8.2 and Alpha VMS 8.2 versions do not have
 that name.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:42:53 GMTi4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?7> Message-ID: <x6Okb.320297$mp.259210@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  c In article <QNXiC3TlsNvq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:cB !In retrospect, I recall it was V7.2-1 where the logical names had !effect. !tD !Of course these days one can use the SET SERVER command to stop the@ !ACME_SERVER if you are really sure it is the right thing to do.  M True; you and Csaba have enumerated methods to stop the server from starting,M& either at boot-time, or shortly after.  M I'll probably revert to the default behavior on my hobby system, since I haveVM plenty of memory available.  I may elect to stop the server after boot on the.> system at work, since that system is a little tight on memory.  N I'd just like to know *specifically* which "services" need the server, so thatK I could make an informed decision on my own as to whether or not I need the J server.  This behavior reminds me of a certain loathed software company inO Redmond, who included IIS as part of the default W2K configuration; it was onlysG after the Code Red disaster that they acknowledged the existence of the O default, and then offered a way to disable the server to customers who had beenh affected by the exploit.   Can anyone say, "Affinity..?"r  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' s0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 05:49:13 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? 3 Message-ID: <kBLjuLd9eehf@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  u In article <x6Okb.320297$mp.259210@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:2  H > I'd just like to know *specifically* which "services" need the server,   	1. SYS$ACMR7 	2. For those shipping with VMS, the ones listed in thee0 		set of logical name definitions quoted earlier 		in this list.2= 	3. Anything that calls either of the above (including, as an:, 	   option with E7.3-2 and above, LOGINOUT).  D One cannot reasonably expect VMS Development to list all third party? products that call SYS$ACM, VMS Registry, Advanced Server, etc.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:34:12 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?h/ Message-ID: <nvRkb.188893$%h1.179230@sccrnsc02>k  c In article <ECPSq7LZVGBB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ev !In article <eHFkb.506588$2x.212516@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: !snip!A !> manual indicate otherwise?  Perhaps the manual needs updating?a !3 !	openvmsdocs@compaq.com  O I sent an email this morning, detailing the differences between the comments intL SYLOGICALS (they indicate that the logical should be set TRUE or FALSE), andM the information in the manual (which states that the logical should be set to N YES, but remains silent as to what the logical negation for YES is.  I take it
 to be NO.)  M I am trying my system at work with the logical set to NO, but it may be a fewnN days (at least) before I can see if that worked, since I don't intend to bring- down the system just to test the logical.	:-)t  M I'm not intending to be argumentative here, I just want to find out how to do M this correctly.  I don't think I'll ever be using ACM Services on the machineuM at work (now or in the future), so I can't see the need for the server.  If ItM find that I need the server in the future, then all I need to do is to start -J the server, and change the logical.  I guess I'm just a control freak.	:-)  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"LK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' 00                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:20:57 -0400t From: norm.raphael@metso.com! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?aQ Message-ID: <OF5F487BD7.525AC981-ON85256DC5.005435F9-85256DC5.0053F6C0@metso.com>t  D Of course, if the test is for "true or false" and not for text, then2 0,1,T,Y,F,N, and their expansions should all work.  I From:  brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) on 10/20/2003 09:34k	        AMi  @ Please respond to brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:w  $ Subject:    Re: What is ACME_SERVER?    I In article <ECPSq7LZVGBB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netg (Larry Kilgallen) writes: ? !In article <eHFkb.506588$2x.212516@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>,.6 brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: !snip!A !> manual indicate otherwise?  Perhaps the manual needs updating?  !  !     openvmsdocs@compaq.com  C I sent an email this morning, detailing the differences between the- comments in-H SYLOGICALS (they indicate that the logical should be set TRUE or FALSE), andmJ the information in the manual (which states that the logical should be set toK YES, but remains silent as to what the logical negation for YES is.  I takeo it
 to be NO.)  I I am trying my system at work with the logical set to NO, but it may be a  few H days (at least) before I can see if that worked, since I don't intend to bringb- down the system just to test the logical. :-)i  J I'm not intending to be argumentative here, I just want to find out how to doE this correctly.  I don't think I'll ever be using ACM Services on thea machineoK at work (now or in the future), so I can't see the need for the server.  Ife IlF find that I need the server in the future, then all I need to do is to startrK the server, and change the logical.  I guess I'm just a control freak.  :-)T  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"aJ bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 11:04:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER? 3 Message-ID: <WWFpsp1ODl1v@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <nvRkb.188893$%h1.179230@sccrnsc02>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:  O > this correctly.  I don't think I'll ever be using ACM Services on the machineiI > at work (now or in the future), so I can't see the need for the server.p  K So all your software vendors have guaranteed they will never call SYS$ACM ?e  E It can be used for situations other than "logging in" and has certain-C programming advantages (such as AST compatibility) over SYS$GETUAI.a  D Or is all your software built on site ?  (SYS$ACM is not much use to things like compilers.)c  B I think some people have a limited view of SYS$ACM due to its past& usage only for Microsoft connectivity.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:45:38 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?s. Message-ID: <SiUkb.601186$cF.265400@rwcrnsc53>  c In article <WWFpsp1ODl1v@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ag !In article <nvRkb.188893$%h1.179230@sccrnsc02>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:e ! P !> this correctly.  I don't think I'll ever be using ACM Services on the machineJ !> at work (now or in the future), so I can't see the need for the server. ! L !So all your software vendors have guaranteed they will never call SYS$ACM ?  I Our software "vendors" are limited to those providing software for faxes.iE No guarantee, but I don't see faxing software as needing that kind ofP capability.   a !,F !It can be used for situations other than "logging in" and has certainD !programming advantages (such as AST compatibility) over SYS$GETUAI. !2E !Or is all your software built on site ?  (SYS$ACM is not much use to: !things like compilers.)   Yup.   !sC !I think some people have a limited view of SYS$ACM due to its past ' !usage only for Microsoft connectivity.   I It may be something I need to watch for in the future, as our product mayiM become merged/entangled with Microsoft products.  The system in question is aiI test/demo machine, with none of the contemplated functionality installed.n  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"nK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:20:08 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>l. Subject: Re: What is the performance of iVMS ?2 Message-ID: <cPUkb.7412$hc2.2266@news.cpqcorp.net>  K How come a dozen years later, you are not on Alpha?  How come OpenVMS isn'ts on the PDP-11?  D In my opinion, it was a mistake to make the VAX and Alpha code basesL seperate - but even without that split - there are some tough problems.  HowL do provide at least subset functionality of all features?  The Alpha systemsH just have more capanbility.  Do we need to design all our code to run onK small address space systems with underpowered CPUs and antique graphics andi IO??  J It's a tough call.  Why isn't PPP available?  Assuming that it isn't, it'sL probably because the customer who needed it - didn't need it for VAX.  WhichH cuts out not only development effort - but testing effort.  If you drillJ down on these questions you find that VAX wasn't ignored - but a trade off2 had to be made as to where to spend the resources.  L The last VAX was sold years ago.  It's probably still doing what it was soldL to do just fine.  But at what point when you push it beyond what it was sold7 to do, do you have to bite the bullet and move forward.s  I [BTW - we didn't "abandon" Display Postscript - Adobe forced it as a sides effect of the merger].  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3F8F0DB4.4432D4DB@istop.com...s > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:D > > Your answer should be:  Compiled it, Linked it, Ran it.  No real problems to 4 > > speak of, a few minor edits - VMS is VMS is VMS. >rD > How come PPP isn't available on VAX ? How come ACM services aren't	 availableh1 > on VAX ? How come ODS5 isn't available on VAX ?  >kJ > Granted, the information given so far leads one to believe that if there is tonJ > be a common code base between Alpha and IA64, one could expect far fewerH > differences between Alpha and IA64 than between VAX and Alpha.  But so far,I > the experience between VAx and Alpha has shown that VMS isn't quite the( sameE > on different platforms when the owner decides to abandon one of the6
 platforms. >9I > Will my ALL-IN-1 scripts run on IA64 ? Nop, because Carly/Curly are noteI > porting it to IA64. (so much for that promise of porting all software).  > L > Also, since you guys have abandonned display postscript at 7.3, it is fair toH > state that display postscript, available on vax and alpha, will not be > available on IA64. >pE > While I understand that a great effort is being made to end up witho similareJ > software on both, previous decisions, not related directly to the actualG > porting project will rtesult on IA64 being different from Alpha being  > different from VAX.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:34:00 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disksc4 Message-ID: <3f938ff3$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Paul Repacholi wrote:h  * > What is this `run' business white man :)   Huh?   :-)    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:05:25 GMTe2 From: "Robert Boers" <Robert.boers@softresint.com>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI diskse* Message-ID: <3f939742$1@news.deckpoint.ch>  K We do suggest e.g. VxWorks/PowerPC to customers who ask us to emulate theireI proprietary embedded systems (the CHARON technology works well to replaceyI embedded control systems hardware with standard SBCs and no change to the  binary control software).e  I But a commonly used host OS has advantages. For instance, cross compilerseK running on a VAX are not necessarily available on other platforms or have ayL relicensing cost. A 2.4 GHz laptop running CHARON-VAX/XM+ provides the speedL of a VAX 7610 and is a convenient platform for such compilers. Not having toF change the OS on the laptop when you have some compilation to do is an
 advantage.   Robert.n  A "Michael Unger" <db6st.rev.0131a55a@t-online.de> wrote in message.3 news:bmp4tu$peovt$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de...  [...]aC > I still don't understand why -- given the Intel based approach --tD > Winwoes is used as the "hosting OS". I'd expected a small and fastF > (real-time) OS as "program loader", perhaps even using the "primary": > disk and network controllers instead of additional ones. > 	 > Michaels   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2003 13:14:57 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks-9 Message-ID: <bn0n4h$rug48$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>o  4 In article <3f938ff3$0$27041$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,% 	Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:e > Paul Repacholi wrote:7 > + >> What is this `run' business white man :)  >  > Huh? >  >:-) >   - I didn't get it either.  Must be an oz thing.e   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:12:03 -0700r# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>eA Subject: RE: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disksr9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEKPIEAA.tom@kednos.com>   3 What do you think one would need to replace a 7840?-   >-----Original Message-----a8 >From: Robert Boers [mailto:Robert.boers@softresint.com]' >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:05 AMo >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComB >Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks >n > L >We do suggest e.g. VxWorks/PowerPC to customers who ask us to emulate theirJ >proprietary embedded systems (the CHARON technology works well to replaceJ >embedded control systems hardware with standard SBCs and no change to the >binary control software). > J >But a commonly used host OS has advantages. For instance, cross compilersL >running on a VAX are not necessarily available on other platforms or have aC >relicensing cost. A 2.4 GHz laptop running CHARON-VAX/XM+ providess
 >the speedC >of a VAX 7610 and is a convenient platform for such compilers. Notw
 >having toG >change the OS on the laptop when you have some compilation to do is an- >advantage., >  >Robert. >6B >"Michael Unger" <db6st.rev.0131a55a@t-online.de> wrote in message4 >news:bmp4tu$peovt$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de... >[...]D >> I still don't understand why -- given the Intel based approach --E >> Winwoes is used as the "hosting OS". I'd expected a small and fastxG >> (real-time) OS as "program loader", perhaps even using the "primary" ; >> disk and network controllers instead of additional ones.a >>
 >> Michael >l >f >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.e; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).dA >Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003, >h ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2003 06:57:48 -0700. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)( Subject: Re: [~OT] Last _production_ VAX= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0310200557.320a441b@posting.google.com>e  i "B Fisher" <none@antispamming.com> wrote in message news:<q_nkb.47525$%C5.11359@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...a > Andy,y >  > Thanks for the pointer.  > L > My question was, indeed, a curiosity despite the fast we have a few VAXes.K > We also have a bunch of Alphas running our business.  As noted by others,o4 > our migration to Alpha in 1995 went very smoothly. >  > Thanks, Andy >  > Scott  > C > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in messageu8 > news:i0nkb.1414$W44.1056@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...N > > I remember writing  a reassuring letter to our customers pointing out thatI > > Alpha was the natural replacement; Compaq wasn't selling any more VAXaA > > Systems just as Intel didn't care to sell any more 486 chips.  > >.K > > " . . . MicroVAX 3100 platforms will be orderable through September 30, 3 > > 2000. "  -Terry Shannon on the last VAX orders.  > >r: > > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/vax_now.html > >  > > -- > > Andy Bustamantes! > > remove the ASCII 95s to replyy > >  > > 7 > > "B Fisher" <none@antispamming.com> wrote in messagee7 > > news:72dkb.54389$832.26759@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...,L > > > Slightly off topic but:  Does anyone have an idea of when the last VAXI > > > was/is produced?  My recollection is that the last introduction wasr	 >  aroundeL > > > 1992 or so, but I am more interested in the last _produced_.  We still >  have J > > > a few but I suspect when they get repaired, they are refurbed boards > > >e > > > Just a curiosity, Thanks > > >  > > > scottE > > >C > > >A > >k > >   N We had some VAX 4000 Model 108s with serial numbers starting with NI8220 whichB indicates that the machines were manufacatured on Day 220 of 1998.   WWWebb   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.582 ************************