1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 22 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 585       Contents:, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??% Re: DCL script to change system time. % Re: DCL script to change system time. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. P Re: HP announces new AlphaServer systems and enhancements to Tru64 UNIX and Open Re: HR/Payroll Package on VMS  Re: HR/Payroll Package on VMS & Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?& Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?& Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?& Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment , Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...7 Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display 7 Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display 7 Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display 7 Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display 6 Re: PIPE error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display2 Position available: VMS/DSM, Falls Church, VA, USA& Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?& Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?& Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?: Storage upgrades added to Alpha Customer Assurance Program  User permissions vs. volume ACLs$ Re: User permissions vs. volume ACLs Re: What is ACME_SERVER? Re: What is ACME_SERVER?8 Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:52:52 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? J Message-ID: <otFkb.93886$mf.69107@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Tom Linden wrote:  >> -----Original Message----- / >> From: Main, Kerry [mailto:kerry.main@hp.com] * >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:26 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >> Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----, >>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]# >>> Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM  >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >>> 
 >>> Kerry, >>> ? >>> No criticism of you here because I know that you don't have @ >>> first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we@ >>> c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but> >>> if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU> >>> conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said; >>> "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from a A >>> 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job : >>> in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking. >>>  >> >> John, >> >> Re: OpenVMS and Telecom ..  >>G >> As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show.  >> >> However, you also asked - >>B >> ">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in theE >> telecom field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So ? >> what products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?"  >>C >> And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (June E >> 2003) Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS  >> and IPF. K >> http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe  >> rger.html >  > And Guess who uses PL/I?    I I'm going waaay out on a limb here  ;-)  -- I think what you're saying is L that it's not The Guess Who (a somewhat noted rock band from the 70's) whichK uses PL/1 in their act but rather HP's ISV 'partner', Schlumberger, who are L going to get their legs cut out from under them by HP's failure to assist inL doing what they need to do with the GEM compiler so your PL/1 product can be ported?   K Perhaps Kerry meant to add that Schlumberger is going to completely rewrite J their software in C/C++ in time for the first shipping version of IA64/VMSH and test it out on telco's who think that the version they're getting inI 2004 is the same codebase as the Alpha/VMS version. When it f*cks up, the K customers will blame Schlumberger and that goddamn no good for nothing VMS.    Retain Trust indeed.  L But speaking of The Guess Who, HP has commissioned them to take one of their: hit tunes "American Woman" and change the lyrics a bit....   "Conway and Greis   Get away from me.  Conway and Gries   Come on and let me be."  B Conway and Greis wrote one of the seminal undergrad c/s texts, "An/ Introduction To Programming - featuring  PL/1".    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:23:12 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? J Message-ID: <QVFkb.94238$mf.65955@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- + >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] " >> Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>	 >> Kerry,  >>> >> No criticism of you here because I know that you don't have? >> first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we ? >> c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but = >> if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU = >> conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said : >> "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from a@ >> 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job9 >> in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking.  >> >  > John,  >  > Re: OpenVMS and Telecom .. > F > As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show. >  > However, you also asked -  > A > ">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the D > telecom field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So> > what products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?" > H > And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (June 2003)G > Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS and IPF. J > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe > rger.html  > G > I am not going to say that marketing could not be improved, but there F > are some (ok, not of the Wall Street Journal size)recent good thingsD > happening as well wrt OpenVMS promotions. Just look at the OpenVMSH > Technical Update sessions - which continue to be well received in many# > different areas around the globe.  > D > As an another example, go to www.hp.com. Select Software Products.C > Now, compare that page to previous Compaq/Digital web pages as it - > applies to OpenVMS options being displayed.  > F > Also, check out recent PDF testimonial files in HP format. These get< > sent to Customers with proposals and "fyi .." type emails. > . > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/ >  > And the following:J > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/Oct03.ht > mlB > "ISV commitment & enthusiasm continues to grow with over 500 ISV@ > applications now committed to port to HP OpenVMS Itanium-basedC > Integrity servers." (and this is before native compilers are even  > available) > F > Hey - I agree marketing could be improved with all of HP's OS's, butD > by the same token, some improvements are happening wrt to OpenVMS.     Kerry,  J You're a level-headed observant guy, and you're probably an HP shareholderD too. As a shareholder, if you are indeed one, and as a person who isK extremely knowledgeable about VMS and can see the sales possibilities of it I every working day you ought to be livid at not seeing a decent attempt at I making VMS widely visible. Just what the hell is wrong with HP management 5 that they don't see fit to advertise a great product?   F A few years ago everyone expected branded unix and windows to rule theJ world. Today, more and more corporations and governments are seeing what aA problem depending on windows and, to a lesser extent, unix/linux. L Organizations are primed to hear about something that simply works and worksI simply, without problems. VMS is that value proposition, or at least it's  one of very few that exists.  I I know that you and your colleagues are trying to look on the bright side L when you point out the items of interest and the few 'rays of VMS hope' thatJ seem to be cast by HP almost as if by accident. I also suspect that if youD dared to speak what is probably really on your mind, you'd be fired.    H So let me put things to you slightly differently, as I have to others in c.o.v. in off-line exchanges:   F Ferrari advertises both their Ferrari and Maserati brands. Rolls RoyceL advertises in print. Mercedes does primetime television ads for the S55 AMG*I (which have probably cost them several million to make and air vs. annual I sales of perhaps 1000 units). Porsche advertises their 911 series. All of J these vehicles are at or near the top-end of the automotive market with anL aggregate global marketshare of probably 0.01% or less (not unlike VMS). YetL that does not stop Ferrari, Rolls, Mercedes and Porsche from advertising andK increasing their unit sales of these vehicles year-over-year. These vendors F all create brand and model awareness while pushing specific low-volume% products at the highest price ranges.   F If HP executives do not understand this about VMS, then they should beC fired. They clearly are not doing what is in the shareholder's best 
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 MODELSELECTOR @ AMG-built intercooled supercharged SOHC 5.5L 24-valve V-8 engine 493 hp @ 6,100 rpm 516 lb-ft @ 2,750 - 4,000 rpm  0-60 mph in 4.6 seconds 0 MSRP: $110,170.00 USD (dealer may sell for less)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:24:34 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? K Message-ID: <S8_kb.102691$mf.97494@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Michiel Erens wrote: > Main, Kerry wrote: >>H >> I am not going to say that marketing could not be improved, but thereG >> are some (ok, not of the Wall Street Journal size)recent good things E >> happening as well wrt OpenVMS promotions. Just look at the OpenVMS D >> Technical Update sessions - which continue to be well received in) >> many different areas around the globe.  > C > This reminds me (and I don't believe that it is already mentioned E > here), that after the Dutch Technical Update days last month, there D > was a half page article on OpenVMS in Computable magazine. PostingB > it here is not useful (it is in Dutch), but maybe Sue can give a6 > summary because she's mentioned five times in it :-)    H That's good news....a reporter who writes and reports as opposed to just publishing press releases.  I Try running the Dutch original through www.systransoft.com and see how it E translates to English or French and if it is ok, please post it here.    Thanks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:26:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? K Message-ID: <vmblb.110606$mf.19935@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Michiel Erens wrote: > Main, Kerry wrote: >>H >> I am not going to say that marketing could not be improved, but thereG >> are some (ok, not of the Wall Street Journal size)recent good things E >> happening as well wrt OpenVMS promotions. Just look at the OpenVMS D >> Technical Update sessions - which continue to be well received in) >> many different areas around the globe.  > C > This reminds me (and I don't believe that it is already mentioned E > here), that after the Dutch Technical Update days last month, there D > was a half page article on OpenVMS in Computable magazine. PostingB > it here is not useful (it is in Dutch), but maybe Sue can give a6 > summary because she's mentioned five times in it :-)    H That's good news....a reporter who writes and reports as opposed to just publishing press releases.  I Try running the Dutch original through www.systransoft.com and see how it E translates to English or French and if it is ok, please post it here.    Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:10:46 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEODIEAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- ) >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] ' >Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:53 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 >Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? >  >  >Tom Linden wrote: >>> -----Original Message-----0 >>> From: Main, Kerry [mailto:kerry.main@hp.com]+ >>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:26 AM  >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 >>> Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??  >>>  >>>  >>>> -----Original Message----- - >>>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] $ >>>> Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM >>>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>>> >>>> Kerry,  >>>>@ >>>> No criticism of you here because I know that you don't haveA >>>> first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we A >>>> c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but ? >>>> if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU ? >>>> conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said < >>>> "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from aB >>>> 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job; >>>> in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking.  >>>> >>> 	 >>> John,  >>>  >>> Re: OpenVMS and Telecom .. >>> H >>> As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show. >>>  >>> However, you also asked -  >>> C >>> ">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the F >>> telecom field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So@ >>> what products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?" >>> D >>> And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (JuneF >>> 2003) Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS >>> and IPF.L >>> http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe
 >>> rger.html  >> >> And Guess who uses PL/I?  >  > J >I'm going waaay out on a limb here  ;-)  -- I think what you're saying isA >that it's not The Guess Who (a somewhat noted rock band from the  >70's) whichL >uses PL/1 in their act but rather HP's ISV 'partner', Schlumberger, who areC >going to get their legs cut out from under them by HP's failure to 
 >assist in> >doing what they need to do with the GEM compiler so your PL/1 >product can be  >ported?  L Yes that is true.  GEM by the way is a common code generator for a number ofJ language processing front-ends PL/I being one of them.  It is conceptually the J same as VCG was for the VAX, althought there they never integrated all the= front-end as we had done on the Prime series in the late 70's  > L >Perhaps Kerry meant to add that Schlumberger is going to completely rewriteK >their software in C/C++ in time for the first shipping version of IA64/VMS I >and test it out on telco's who think that the version they're getting in J >2004 is the same codebase as the Alpha/VMS version. When it f*cks up, theL >customers will blame Schlumberger and that goddamn no good for nothing VMS.  I BEA is being forced to rewrite MessageQ because of time schedules and the  lackH of commitment from HP.  Now isn't that great buffer overruns in MessageQ   >  >Retain Trust indeed.  > @ >But speaking of The Guess Who, HP has commissioned them to take
 >one of their ; >hit tunes "American Woman" and change the lyrics a bit....  >  >"Conway and Greis > Get away from me.  > Conway and Gries > Come on and let me be."  > C >Conway and Greis wrote one of the seminal undergrad c/s texts, "An 0 >Introduction To Programming - featuring  PL/1". >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:14:38 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEOEIEAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- ) >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] ' >Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:53 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 >Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? >  >  >Tom Linden wrote: >>> -----Original Message-----0 >>> From: Main, Kerry [mailto:kerry.main@hp.com]+ >>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:26 AM  >>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 >>> Subject: RE: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??  >>>  >>>  >>>> -----Original Message----- - >>>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] $ >>>> Sent: October 19, 2003 11:32 AM >>>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>>> >>>> Kerry,  >>>>@ >>>> No criticism of you here because I know that you don't haveA >>>> first-hand knowledge of the ITU show, and I know that all we A >>>> c.o.v.'ers are just here trying to help one another out, but ? >>>> if had a boss who me 'What did HP publicly show at the ITU ? >>>> conference about OpenVMS?' and I came back to him and said < >>>> "Here's one warmed over 2 year-old press release from aB >>>> 3rd-party vendor", I'd be out on my ass looking for a new job; >>>> in about 15 seconds from the time I finished speaking.  >>>> >>> 	 >>> John,  >>>  >>> Re: OpenVMS and Telecom .. >>> H >>> As I stated in my response, I do not have any knowledge of the show. >>>  >>> However, you also asked -  >>> C >>> ">> It's hard to imagine that HP will double their sales in the F >>> telecom field by $6 Billion USD by selling printers to telco's. So@ >>> what products are going to fuel the growth they anticipate?" >>> D >>> And I responded with a reference to the following *recent* (JuneF >>> 2003) Telecom testimonial from Schlumberger promoting both OpenVMS >>> and IPF.L >>> http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/schlumbe
 >>> rger.html  >> >> And Guess who uses PL/I?  >  > J >I'm going waaay out on a limb here  ;-)  -- I think what you're saying isA >that it's not The Guess Who (a somewhat noted rock band from the  >70's) whichL >uses PL/1 in their act but rather HP's ISV 'partner', Schlumberger, who areC >going to get their legs cut out from under them by HP's failure to 
 >assist in> >doing what they need to do with the GEM compiler so your PL/1 >product can be  >ported? >   L Yes that is true.  GEM by the way is a common code generator for a number ofJ language processing front-ends PL/I being one of them.  It is conceptually the J same as VCG was for the VAX, althought there they never integrated all the= front-end as we had done on the Prime series in the late 70's  > L >Perhaps Kerry meant to add that Schlumberger is going to completely rewriteK >their software in C/C++ in time for the first shipping version of IA64/VMS I >and test it out on telco's who think that the version they're getting in J >2004 is the same codebase as the Alpha/VMS version. When it f*cks up, theL >customers will blame Schlumberger and that goddamn no good for nothing VMS.  I BEA is being forced to rewrite MessageQ because of time schedules and the  lackG of commitment from HP.  Now isn't that great future, buffer overruns in 	 MessageQ.     L >Perhaps Kerry meant to add that Schlumberger is going to completely rewriteK >their software in C/C++ in time for the first shipping version of IA64/VMS I >and test it out on telco's who think that the version they're getting in J >2004 is the same codebase as the Alpha/VMS version. When it f*cks up, theL >customers will blame Schlumberger and that goddamn no good for nothing VMS. >  >Retain Trust indeed.  > @ >But speaking of The Guess Who, HP has commissioned them to take
 >one of their ; >hit tunes "American Woman" and change the lyrics a bit....  >  >"Conway and Greis > Get away from me.  > Conway and Gries > Come on and let me be."  > C >Conway and Greis wrote one of the seminal undergrad c/s texts, "An 0 >Introduction To Programming - featuring  PL/1". >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:55:10 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: DCL script to change system time.) Message-ID: <3F9572FB.2CE66EFD@istop.com>    David Stacks wrote:  > G > Hello, was looking for some help finding a small DCL script that will G > change the system time through normal batch run.  This is for vax and 1 > alpha running openvms versions lower than 7.3.    N The simplest one, if you don't mind your vax reliving one hour (not acceptable for financial transactions) is:    $create temp.com $SET TIME="-01:00:00"  <ctrl z>   then: - $SUBMIT TEMP.COM /after="30-OCT-2003 02:00"   7 (or whatever exact date/time it is supposed to change).   L You need to submit this for each VMS host you have. If you are in a cluster,
 you could:  
 $MC SYSMAN SET ENV/CLUSTER  DO SET TIME="-01:00:00"  EXIT  L In a command procedure and then submit that procedure. This will ensure that3 the SET TIME executes on all nodes in your cluster.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Oct 2003 00:13 CDT . From: carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins). Subject: Re: DCL script to change system time.4 Message-ID: <22OCT200300131084@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes... }David Stacks wrote: }>  H }> Hello, was looking for some help finding a small DCL script that willH }> change the system time through normal batch run.  This is for vax and2 }> alpha running openvms versions lower than 7.3.  } O }The simplest one, if you don't mind your vax reliving one hour (not acceptable   }for financial transactions) is: }  }$create temp.com  }$SET TIME="-01:00:00"	 }<ctrl z>  }  }then:. }$SUBMIT TEMP.COM /after="30-OCT-2003 02:00"  8 }(or whatever exact date/time it is supposed to change). } M }You need to submit this for each VMS host you have. If you are in a cluster,  }you could:  }  }$MC SYSMAN  }SET ENV/CLUSTER }DO SET TIME="-01:00:00" }EXIT  } M }In a command procedure and then submit that procedure. This will ensure that 4 }the SET TIME executes on all nodes in your cluster.  H Instead of DO SET TIME="-01:00:00" you can use CONFIG SET TIME -1:00:00.  M The CONFIG SET TIME is supposed to use a little logic that deals with command K propigation delays and such so that the systems all get the same time, more " or less. See SYSMAN's HELP CONFIG.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:23:17 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.8 Message-ID: <r75bpvsvvns449aurv54cusn3nnjknn26g@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:05:53 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   > O >But returning to DECUS would help end that ighmare during the compaq era. What O >we, the users, need, is a user group that focuses on Digital products.  I have K >no problems with DECUS cooperating with ITUG and Interex. But I don't want R >some global user group whose contents is diluted amongst too many constituencies. > O >If I have an interest in HP-UX, then I'll become a member of Interex. But if I / >have an interest in VMS, I want my DECUS back.   E My own personal opinion is that we need an HP branded conference that I resurrects the glory days of good technical info that we used to get from  DECUS.  J However, demanding a separate conference is not necessarily the best idea,J imho.  Budgets do get tight and running these things is fairly expensive.   K As well, customers often have limited travel/education budgets and can only  get to one of these a year.   J It seems like incorporating them all into one larger conference would be a win-win for everyone.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:01:11 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.) Message-ID: <3F959E86.EF99DF92@istop.com>    jlsue wrote:L > It seems like incorporating them all into one larger conference would be a > win-win for everyone.   M Well, if you can garantee that the venue will be large enough that there will T be enough VMS content in there to make it worth the cost of attending, then perhaps.  J But in all likelyhood, an all-encompassing conference covering VMS, Tru64,K HP-UX, Tandem-NSK, Windows and whatever would not be able to provide enough C content to make each constituency feel that it is worth their trip.   N The US Decus (or whever name they are operating under this week) already blockK some of the VMS content (witness Mr Dachtera's complaints that his sessions O are cosnistently refused). Imagine how much more VMS content would be blocked ?   M Lets face it, VMS is a small constituency. We need events such as what Sue is K organising, which provide a high concentration of high level VMS content. I N don't want to go to a confereence to see Carly pretend to understand the needsN of VMS users. That is a waste of time because we all know that Carly says that* to everyone and doesn't mean a word of it.  L On the other hand, having a single large conference with s sprinkling of VMSN content would help expose some non-VMS folks to VMS. But in such a conference,K Keth Parris probably woudln't be allowed to compare VMS clustering with all F the missing features of HP-UX because that would be insulting HP's own product.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:22:15 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.' Message-ID: <3F95B197.2070808@MMaz.com>    jlsue wrote:  P >>But returning to DECUS would help end that ighmare during the compaq era. WhatP >>we, the users, need, is a user group that focuses on Digital products.  I haveL >>no problems with DECUS cooperating with ITUG and Interex. But I don't wantS >>some global user group whose contents is diluted amongst too many constituencies.  >>P >>If I have an interest in HP-UX, then I'll become a member of Interex. But if I0 >>have an interest in VMS, I want my DECUS back. >>     >> > F >My own personal opinion is that we need an HP branded conference thatJ >resurrects the glory days of good technical info that we used to get from >DECUS.  > K >However, demanding a separate conference is not necessarily the best idea, K >imho.  Budgets do get tight and running these things is fairly expensive.   > L >As well, customers often have limited travel/education budgets and can only >get to one of these a year. > K >It seems like incorporating them all into one larger conference would be a  >win-win for everyone. >    > F Except that long ago the focus of the conferences drastically shifted 8 from the primary interest of this list, that being VMS.   E I personally tired of sessions on Windows Management, Networking, or  E Software Development in a NT environment, or storage subsystems that  H were NFS or SMB based, or security issues that again, rarely applied to C a typical VMS shop.  I'll be the first to say that a heterogeneous  E conference can be good, but IMHO the sessions lost the VMS technical  B edge of the 80's (bring on the internals, Magic Sessions, network G discussions of the ilk of Bill Hancock, etc.)...  Otherwise, there are  E zillions of other choices more convenient if you're only looking for  * vanilla PeeCee, network, security stuff...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 19:32:22 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310211832.7170d7ec@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3F959E86.EF99DF92@istop.com>... P > The US Decus (or whever name they are operating under this week) already blockM > some of the VMS content (witness Mr Dachtera's complaints that his sessions Q > are cosnistently refused). Imagine how much more VMS content would be blocked ?   A DECUS over the past few years (and this HP World 2003 also) had a > user-driven Content Advisory Panel that chose desired areas ofF content.  VMS had its own sizeable list of desired subjects, just likeF all the other major topic areas.  I've had plenty of sessions declinedF in the past -- not every proposed session can be accepted.  My current@ strategy is to find out from the CAP results as soon as they areE available what subjects the customers are interested in that I'm also D qualified (or can readily learn enough) to intelligently talk about,= and try to submit sessions on those topics, submitting enough E different proposals that hopefully at least one will be accepted (and 9 of course one hopes like crazy they aren't ALL accepted).   N > On the other hand, having a single large conference with s sprinkling of VMS6 > content would help expose some non-VMS folks to VMS.  C I agree, and HP World has been very helpful in exactly this manner, F even starting last year with HP World 2002, the first HP World to have# pre-merger DECpaq content included.    > But in such a conference, M > Keth Parris probably woudln't be allowed to compare VMS clustering with all H > the missing features of HP-UX because that would be insulting HP's own
 > product.  F You must have missed Ken Moreau's excellent session 1025, "A TechnicalA Survey of Cluster Technology Available on HP Servers" at HP World  2003.  See http://hpworld.com/  ? And actually, I happen to know for a fact that Keith Parris was C allowed to go to HP World for the past 2 years and publicly compare E the disaster-tolerant cluster technology available across all of HP's C platforms (which always makes VMS look good, of course).  Slides at   http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:34:11 -0700 / From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> 6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp./ Message-ID: <vpc26k957tqe5d@corp.supernews.com>    Keith Parris wrote: ] > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3F959E86.EF99DF92@istop.com>...  > P >>The US Decus (or whever name they are operating under this week) already blockM >>some of the VMS content (witness Mr Dachtera's complaints that his sessions Q >>are cosnistently refused). Imagine how much more VMS content would be blocked ?  >  > C > DECUS over the past few years (and this HP World 2003 also) had a @ > user-driven Content Advisory Panel that chose desired areas ofH > content.  VMS had its own sizeable list of desired subjects, just likeH > all the other major topic areas.  I've had plenty of sessions declinedH > in the past -- not every proposed session can be accepted.  My currentB > strategy is to find out from the CAP results as soon as they areG > available what subjects the customers are interested in that I'm also F > qualified (or can readily learn enough) to intelligently talk about,? > and try to submit sessions on those topics, submitting enough G > different proposals that hopefully at least one will be accepted (andn; > of course one hopes like crazy they aren't ALL accepted).l  G I can add some clarification here. Each of the tracks at HPW 2003 had anF session quota, some of which were larger than others. Nobody "blocked"C any content - what actually happened is that each track team, aftercC taking into account input from a number of different sources, voted C on which sessions were accepted, which were made backups, and which C were rejected outright. This happened in every track, not just VMS.pC The HP-UX track, for example, had a quota of 55 session slots - andaD 112 submissions. I don't have the numbers for the VMS track in frontB of me but the ratio was similar. The bottom line is that there are@ only so many rooms, and lots and lots of content to sort through on a lot of different topics.f   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:35:20 GMTa& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>Y Subject: Re: HP announces new AlphaServer systems and enhancements to Tru64 UNIX and OpenM2 Message-ID: <chklb.7541$O94.1984@news.cpqcorp.net>  ( Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:F > I hope HP knows what it is doing because who knows when Itanium will= > be available in system configurations of 32 and/or 64 CPUs?o  F The availability dates should be present on the SPECcpu2000 submittalsA for Superdome with 1.5 GHz Itanium2 6M CPUs. http://www.spec.org/oD There are also the TPC-C results, but I don't know where in those to6 go to find HW versus SW versus App availability dates.   hth,  
 rick jones -- nG oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH.../   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0400P From: norm.raphael@metso.com& Subject: Re: HR/Payroll Package on VMSQ Message-ID: <OFF0860697.F275311A-ON85256DC6.0067292F-85256DC6.0067DC91@metso.com>v  @ We had been using Cyborg until we outsourced.  It did everything< we needed, and has a multijuristictional tax update package. http://www.cyborg.comd8 but I did not find a current reference to OpenVMS there.  E From:  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) on 10/21/2003 12:02 AM   9 Please respond to Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:b  ) Subject:    Re: HR/Payroll Package on VMSr    = In article <521ebd9f.0310201634.5de984cf@posting.google.com>,>- tonymcg27@yahoo.com.au (Tony McGrath) writes: 
 > Hi John, >,, > Check out http://www.frontiersoftware.com/ >aG > They develop the "CHRIS" payroll package, which we currently use here H > on one of our VMS systems. I think we are one of the last VMS sites to? > still use it. VMS doesn't even get a mention in their list ofi9 > supported servers, which you'll find on their web site.eA > Please don't ask how good it is, I have no idea, I don't use orh > maintain it.  7 The real question would be, do you get paid on time :-)h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:45:30 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>O& Subject: Re: HR/Payroll Package on VMSK Message-ID: <Km6lb.107130$mf.46687@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:? > In article <521ebd9f.0310201634.5de984cf@posting.google.com>, / > tonymcg27@yahoo.com.au (Tony McGrath) writes:R >> Hi John,d >>- >> Check out http://www.frontiersoftware.com/d >>H >> They develop the "CHRIS" payroll package, which we currently use hereF >> on one of our VMS systems. I think we are one of the last VMS sitesC >> to still use it. VMS doesn't even get a mention in their list of>: >> supported servers, which you'll find on their web site.B >> Please don't ask how good it is, I have no idea, I don't use or >> maintain it.) >l9 > The real question would be, do you get paid on time :-)     G Wrong question. The correct question is: How long before Tony McGrath'svD company is informed by the vendor of 'CHRIS' that VMS is no longer a supported platform.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:25:26 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?') Message-ID: <3F956C04.A24D6709@istop.com>g   Winfried Bergmann wrote: >  > Hello, > J > does anybody know the partnumber or description of a 16MB memory module,N > used in MicroVAX 3100 (no model number, possibly a 10?). I'd like to upgrade$ > my uVAX from 8MB to at least 16MB.   A good starting point is:o  / http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs3khw.htmli  M It also has a link to the owner's guide which shoudl have the part numbers ifc the above page doesn't have it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:51:42 -0500n/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> / Subject: Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?n3 Message-ID: <3F95C68E.8D520F2E@applied-synergy.com>a   Winfried Bergmann wrote: >  > Hello, > J > does anybody know the partnumber or description of a 16MB memory module,N > used in MicroVAX 3100 (no model number, possibly a 10?). I'd like to upgrade$ > my uVAX from 8MB to at least 16MB.  D Different model MicroVAX 3100s have different memory options, so the model number is important.  C If it is a MicroVAX 3100 10 or 20, I believe it has the same memory   setup as the VAXstation 3100 30.  = That is: 4MB on the motherboard, and up to two memory boards.>  H Then it gets weird.  The two memory boards are different.  They stack on4 top of each other and your combinations are limited.  + 0 or 1 from MS42-KA (8MB) or MS42-CA (16MB) + 0 or 1 from MS42-AB (4MB) or MS42-BA (12MB)e  G So, if you currently have 8MB, you have a MS42-AB (4MB) plus the 4MB onv the motherboard.  F You can add either a MS42-KA giving 16MB or a MS42-CA giving 24MB.  ToC get more than 24MB, you need to replace the MS42-AB with a MS42-BA.e  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------d$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com p   Fax: 817-237-3074o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:26:23 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger),/ Subject: Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?eL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2110032036220001@user-105n9mb.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <bn2slp$s40t6$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Winfried 5 Bergmann" <winfried.bergmannNosPAM@empuron.de> wrote:r    K >I'd also like to upgrade the memory of my DEC 3000/400 (128 MB -> 256 MB).bI >Does anybody know the partnumber or description of the SIMM modules (100t >pin)?  K DEC 3000-400, -600, and -700 systems all have the same memory capabilities.m  6 DEC offered 5 different memory kits for these systems:2 MS15-BA   16 MB     ( 2 MB SIMMs,  256k x 4 chips)1 MS16-CA   32 MB     ( 4 MB SIMMs,  1 M x 4 chips)u1 MS16-DA   64 MB     ( 8 MB SIMMs,  1 M x 4 chips) 1 MS16-EA  128 MB     (16 MB SIMMs,  4 M x 4 chips)f1 MS16-FA  256 MB     (32 MB SIMMs,  4 M x 4 chips)   D Each kit consists of 8 identical SIMMs.  The system supports up to 2 memory kits.  C The SIMMs for MS16-CA are the same as MS15-DA, except they are onlygC populated on 1 side of the SIMM.  Similarly, MS16-EA is the same asP- MS16-FA, except they are only half populated.o  I The console SHOW MEMORY command shows 4 "logical" memory banks.  A set ofcJ 8 SIMMs fills 2 logical memory banks if the SIMMs are double-sided.  A setF of single-sided SIMMs fill 1 logical memory bank (leaving the adjacent bank empty).  P Dataram, Clearpoint, and Camminton all made compatible memory for these systems.  I The DEC 3000-500, -500X, -800, and -900 systems use the same memory.  ThevF only difference is that these systems support 4 memory kits (8 logical memory banks).  8 DEC 3000-300 series use different, incompatible, memory.  I If your system contains 128 MB, you either have 1 MS16-EA, or 2 MS16-DA. yH You can't tell which from VMS.  To get 256 MB, you need either 2 MS16-EA7 or 1 MS16-FA.  (Or see the hack in the next paragraph.)   E It is possible to remove the four Memory Mother Boards (MMB) from theiI system and replace them with a set of MMBs from a 3000-500, -800, or -900tF series system.  To do this, you have to remove the internal disk driveH tray.  This allows a DEC 3000-400 system to support 4 memory kits, for aH maximum memory capacity of 1 GB.   Everything I have tested works in theJ firmware and in VMS, EXCEPT the console SHOW MEMORY display won't show the last two memory kits.a     -- Robertd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:09:24 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?t( Message-ID: <3F95D8A4.1C8B8FE@istop.com>   Chris Scheers wrote:J > Then it gets weird.  The two memory boards are different.  They stack on6 > top of each other and your combinations are limited. > - > 0 or 1 from MS42-KA (8MB) or MS42-CA (16MB)a- > 0 or 1 from MS42-AB (4MB) or MS42-BA (12MB)o  N What happens if you stick 2 MS42-CA boards ? Do you get 32 megs with the 4 megM that is onboard disabled ? (on the all mighty Microvax II, the on-board 1 megd5 gets disabled when you put in 16meg of external ram).e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:21:52 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentK Message-ID: <k6_kb.102633$mf.97323@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>f   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageG > news:UREjb.355155$Lnr1.235559@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...e >>D >> Serious question Fred - do you and your engineering colleagues inB >> Nashua ever wonder why HP does not do VMS-specific advertising? >aD > Many engineers in the trenches would love to see some VMS-specificC > advertising.  We don't get a vote in it, nor are we privvy to the 6 > budget and strategy planning for this type of thing. >nG > But this isn't something HP specific.  This complaint is at *least* ab
 > decade old.j    I So what happens when the foot soldiers in the trenches complain? Does oneuF get tied to a post and shot 'pour encourager les autres' to keep theirE mouths shut? It sounds much more dignified in French don't you think?d  K But then again, HP doesn't listen to customers any more than they listen to K the foot soldiers. Keith or Sue or you can point out the the first mentionsSL of VMS in an ad this past week (no offense meant to any of you), but why wasI management asleep at the switch for the past 18 months. Once the decisionrG was made 'early on' to keep VMS in The New HP, there should have been abL concommitant decison to advertise the products they kept. And they did...all+ except VMS. Even Tandem/NSK got more press.i  L I truly sympathize with all of you who pour your hearts out each day towardsI making VMS better and better. You don't get to see any public recognitionsG other than possibly seeing your name on the proverbial 'employee of thetK month' plaque in the cafeteria. I'm not a huge fan of Tom Clancy novels butgL there is a line in 'Patriot Games' that I think is prescient and it goes "IfL you don't write it down, it never happened." At VMS's current life stage, if( it isn't advertised it'll never survive.  I Seriously, how many more years is ChumHPaq going to trot out the 411, 000lL systems fable without encouraging a faster rate of sales via advertising and% replacing the attrited customer base?   F Another serious question - which fool(s) still standing at HP are mostF responsible for not advertising VMS, thereby eroding shareholder valueK during the past decade and more specifically over the past year and a half?s I'd like to out them in public.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:48:40 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentJ Message-ID: <Ip6lb.107180$mf.6103@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>1 >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messagewH >> news:UREjb.355155$Lnr1.235559@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >>> E >>> Serious question Fred - do you and your engineering colleagues ineC >>> Nashua ever wonder why HP does not do VMS-specific advertising?h >>E >> Many engineers in the trenches would love to see some VMS-specific D >> advertising.  We don't get a vote in it, nor are we privvy to the7 >> budget and strategy planning for this type of thing.  >>F >> But this isn't something HP specific.  This complaint is at *least* >> a decade old. >e > I was just thinking... >rF > Even if I can't come up with tech. session that gets accepted, I mayE > go to the next "DECUS" (by the nomme du jour) and pass out T-shirts-? > that say, "Own stock in HP? Ask them why they don't ADVERTISE  > OPENVMS".L  B Notwithstanding your 1st Amendment rights to freedom of speech andK expression, don't be surprised if you get hustled out the door and arrested-K for disturbing the peace for handing out t-shirts with a message like that.S   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Oct 2003 22:34:29 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment9 Message-ID: <bn4c9k$t46lo$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>n  J In article <Ip6lb.107180$mf.6103@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >> I was just thinking...l >>G >> Even if I can't come up with tech. session that gets accepted, I maytF >> go to the next "DECUS" (by the nomme du jour) and pass out T-shirts@ >> that say, "Own stock in HP? Ask them why they don't ADVERTISE >> OPENVMS". > D > Notwithstanding your 1st Amendment rights to freedom of speech andM > expression, don't be surprised if you get hustled out the door and arrestedoM > for disturbing the peace for handing out t-shirts with a message like that.  >   bF While I could see being asked to stop and even possibly being asked toF leave, I can not see how by any stretch of the imagination it could beE considered "disturbing the peace" or how anyone could be arrested for>D it.  And, of course, that would likely have the opposite effect fromC that desired.  The press would have a field day. Much safer to just  ignore crackpots. :-)a   bill   -- >J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:24:28 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>P* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment' Message-ID: <3F95CE3C.B0ECFD6B@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:d >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >>3 > >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messagenJ > >> news:UREjb.355155$Lnr1.235559@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >>> G > >>> Serious question Fred - do you and your engineering colleagues in E > >>> Nashua ever wonder why HP does not do VMS-specific advertising?  > >>G > >> Many engineers in the trenches would love to see some VMS-specific F > >> advertising.  We don't get a vote in it, nor are we privvy to the9 > >> budget and strategy planning for this type of thing.n > >>H > >> But this isn't something HP specific.  This complaint is at *least* > >> a decade old. > >t > > I was just thinking... > >oH > > Even if I can't come up with tech. session that gets accepted, I mayG > > go to the next "DECUS" (by the nomme du jour) and pass out T-shirts+A > > that say, "Own stock in HP? Ask them why they don't ADVERTISEo
 > > OPENVMS".h > D > Notwithstanding your 1st Amendment rights to freedom of speech andM > expression, don't be surprised if you get hustled out the door and arrestedgM > for disturbing the peace for handing out t-shirts with a message like that.M  H As long as I make sure the media are there to witness, record and reportG it, at least VMS will get some exposure, even if just the local eveningd" news where ever the thing is held.   Beggars can't be choosers...   -- o David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 19:35:56 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)P* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0310211835.6060fdfb@posting.google.com>i   OpenVMS Advertisment? Post in comp.os.vms To folks that say that they support OpenVMSs 34 responses aprox 6 postive responsesi rest are complaintsF      v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0310151244.476c309e@posting.google.com>... > Folks, > G > There is now an HP add with VMS in it for Integrity Servers.  It is a D > 3M file.  At this point it is not on a web site, but if you need a2 > copy please send me mail at my hp email address. >  > Warm Regards,m > Sue-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:17:32 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment) Message-ID: <3F95F6A3.D7B22687@istop.com>T   Sue Skonetski wrote: > OpenVMS AdvertismentA > Post in comp.os.vms To folks that say that they support OpenVMSy > 34 responses > aprox 6 postive responsesX > rest are complaintsj  
 Dears Sue,  D Except for a few suggestions on wording, the only complaint that hasN constantly and consistently been made is that such ads do not get the exposureX to the real world that is needed to qualify those pages as "advertising" or "marketing".  L And we don't blame you. We blame HP top management who do not empower you to5 make some real marketing of VMS to the outside world.   M You can take the feedback you wrote above to your managers and tell them thataK the token advertising of VMS they allow isn't enough to make customers feele& comfortable with HP's handling to VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:47:55 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried... ) Message-ID: <3F957148.199A7FE3@istop.com>M   Rob Young wrote:G >         But Sun isn't going for the desktop.  The PowerPC is woefullyo/ >         underpowered compared to latest P4s. >    N Go to http://www.apple.com/g5processor/ and tell me exactyly what is "woefully% underpowered" about the PowerPC chip.   M In case you hadn't heard, it is now a 64 bit Power core with Apple additions. ( It is now built by IBM and not Motorola.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:50:19 -0400b* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...r) Message-ID: <3F9571D7.6D6C4C5E@istop.com>>   Rob Young wrote:@ >         POWER SYSTEMS ARE A HIGH-PERFORMING HIGH-DOLLAR NICHE.  M But in another post, you said that they were "woefully underpowered". Make upd
 your mind :-)'   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 13:23:03 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...d3 Message-ID: <qelcT2prGfQv@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  V In article <3F957148.199A7FE3@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:H >>         But Sun isn't going for the desktop.  The PowerPC is woefully0 >>         underpowered compared to latest P4s.  >  > P > Go to http://www.apple.com/g5processor/ and tell me exactyly what is "woefully' > underpowered" about the PowerPC chip.t >   B 	Well, if you check out these 490 entries, nary an Apple in sight:  6 http://www.specbench.org/cpu2000/results/cint2000.html  0 	So the entries found on page 5 are interesting:  k http://a1472.g.akamai.net/7/1472/51/a67986e6dfb80d/www.apple.com/powermac/pdf/PowerMacG5_Perf_WP_072903.pdfe  > 	But never officially published, unless of course I overlooked= 	something, I haven't spent all day.  But if you look at pagecD 	5 on that PDF it shows the PowerMAC doing 800 SpecInt.  The current% 	top Dell does 1583 SpecInt2000 base:   N http://www.specbench.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030922-02523.html  > 	The numbers Apple used were a joke and a number of guffaws inA 	various groups abounded.  The PowerMAC is woefully underpowered.t   				Robi   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 13:30:54 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)g5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...i3 Message-ID: <38euqdZ9q5pb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3F9571D7.6D6C4C5E@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:A >>         POWER SYSTEMS ARE A HIGH-PERFORMING HIGH-DOLLAR NICHE.  > O > But in another post, you said that they were "woefully underpowered". Make upc > your mind :-)I  ; 	PowerPC systems are woefully under-powered, Power systems I 	certainly aren't.   				Rob0   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 12:34:29 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera)s5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...d= Message-ID: <66a00d01.0310211134.40df2333@posting.google.com>o  d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEMOIEAA.tom@kednos.com>... > [snip]I > I think you missed the point, or perhaps I din't make it clear.  To not.G > conduct business with someone because you don't like them, is naive. F  E ...or a choice. If I know that the potential profit does not outweighfC the difficulty of dealing with a person or an entity, am I naive toeF decide that my life will be happier / easier / etc., if less lucrative for choosing not to?  B What do customer service people do when you rant and rave at them?C ...when you remain calm, courteous and collected, yet assertive? To @ think that "executives" are any different is, IMO, "naive". "TheA network" exists for a reason, and profit is only one part of that = equation, only one facet of the motivation for joining and/orSF supporting "the network". Those who focus on that one part end up like+ Curly. (Apply your own opinion of the man.)    ...IMHO, YMMV.   -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:03:29 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...r( Message-ID: <3F9582F9.30A1608@istop.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:F > When HP's enterprise business implodes after Intel cancel IA-64 then? > there will be more business arround than Sun or IBM will knowh > what to do with.  M The faster Intel moves on a 64 bit 8086, the less damage there will be to HP.sM For instance, since very few customer currently have or want IA64 systems andlL since the old platforms (Alpha, Mips, PA-Risc) are still viable, it wouldn'tN be the end of the world if HP were to announce tomorrow that they would go forL a 64 bit 8086. This would merely delay by a year or two the forced migration  from Alpha to HP's new platform.  N Also, if/when Intel does release the 64 bit 8086, I suspect that the migrationL woudln't be so different than that of Alpha. The IA64 thing will continue toH have a few speed bumps until the 64 bit 8086 has been given the features needed for large systems.a  L The difference is that the initial 64 bit 8086s, while lacking in enterpriseM features, would be ready for desktops and small systems right away with greatsG performance. So as soon as the software would be ported, HP would startsN selling it. (this is not the case with IA64 where we are constaly told to wait3 for the next iteration which will be really great).-  K The failure of IA64 may be egg on certain people's faces at HP, but I don'taM think that it would be such a deadly problem, if handled properly. Right now,5N I think that people fear IA64 because IA64 doesn't have abright future and seeL IA64 as a big mistake in the grand scheme of things. So the announcemenbt ofL the death of IA64 and a 64 bit 8086 would probably come as a relief to many,M with HP finally opting for a viable platform that is truly industry standard.E  N And for HP, would also mean a total consolidation of platforms with all its OS, running on the same chip, including Windows.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:22:40 -0400r* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried... ) Message-ID: <3F958776.90F01FDD@istop.com>a   Rob Young wrote:C >         PowerPC systems are woefully under-powered, Power systems  >         certainly aren't.   M I repeat: PowerPC systems now come from a Power core, made by IBM, with a fewn< bells and whistles added for Apple and markleted as PowerPC.  N Apple had initially chosen the Motorola side when Power__ development branchedM into 2 separate directions. The motorola side didn't work out over time. Now,eJ Apple has jumped ship and is on the IBM side and now benefits from all theL advances IBM had made with the POWER achitecture which Motorola hadn't done.  N You'll note that Motorola is spinning off its semiconductor business. No point9 in keeping it since it no longer makes PowerPC for Apple.h  J For all its woes, Apple has made very good technological decisions lately:M Adopting Unix as the core of its operating system, and moving to IBM's 64 bite POWER chips for the hardware.a  K As a solution, this puts Apple on a better footing than Linux because ApplelN provides a pre-packaged solution that is far better for a desktop than Linux. N Only problem that remains to be fixed is price so that Apple can re-extend its market to the lower end.  F Also, once companies like HP are forced to price their wintel boxes toP generate profits, you may find that Apple boxes aren't that much more expensive.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 15:22:53 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...e3 Message-ID: <wUuHz$LLin2Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  V In article <3F958776.90F01FDD@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:D >>         PowerPC systems are woefully under-powered, Power systems >>         certainly aren't. > O > I repeat: PowerPC systems now come from a Power core, made by IBM, with a fews> > bells and whistles added for Apple and markleted as PowerPC.    < 	No.  With many bells and whistles removed.  Come back afterC 	reviewing both architectures.  I don't mean that as a slam.  Power @ 	is MCM based, etc.  But don't take just my word for it, compare; 	your earlier mentioned SPEC numbers for Power G5 to these:0   	PowerMAC G5  ,    SPECint_base2000                      800,    SPECfp_base2000                       840  M http://www.specbench.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030728-02415.ascS  F         IBM Corporation IBM eServer pSeries 655 (1700 Mhz, 1 CPU LPAR)  -    SPECint_base2000                      1023o3    SPECfp_base2000                       1405   (1)w  < 	And throughput numbers (i.e. multiple CPUs) are much higher9 	for Power, PowerPC doesn't scale but wasn't designed to.       				Robv    I (1)  And yes, debate about the fairness of this as running benchmarks on aC 	one CPU in an MCM is like one hand clapping.  A nice exercise but sE 	you don't normally have access to all the L3 cache and other twisty  " 	little debates along those lines.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:59:25 -0400n< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>@ Subject: Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display9 Message-ID: <bn3s5u$t5h1r$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>t   John Brandon wrote:  > Peter Weaver wrote: ; >> Is that really a space between the & and the x? If it isr then> >> x is probably a symbol that is trying to run a program that! >> wants to write to a X display.s >a+ > I do not think that that is the problem -i  : I still think so :) Did you try it again without the space there?= $ pipe dir | (read sys$pipe x ; define/job/nolog xyz &x) ! Nor space 6 %DCL-W-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification -	 respecifys  < $ pipe dir | (read sys$pipe x ; define/job/nolog xyz & x)  ! note the space7 %DCL-W-INSFPRM, missing command parameters - supply allO required parameterse 21-OCT-1999 13:48:15  > > In a different test not using RSH I have some oddities also: >s> > Here I perform the same exact command on a non-existent file and it' > works: $ pipe directory file.txt; | -y< > ( read sys$pipe x ; define /JOB /NOLOG xyz &x ) ; eqvnam = > f$trnlnm("xyz")  >  > $ show symbol eqvnam. >   EQVNAM = "%DIRECT-NOFILES, no files found"   What I would expect.  ; > Here I perform the same exact command on an existent file  and it' > fails: $ pipe directory file.wrk; | - < > ( read sys$pipe x ; define /JOB /NOLOG xyz &x ) ; eqvnam =6 > f$trnlnm("xyz") %DCL-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification -u > respecifyC   What I would expect.  = If you try the two directory commands outside of the pipe you.= will see the difference, if there are not files found you gete; back an error on one line. If you find files you get back a(; blank line then the directory header then a blank line theno: filenames. Your read of SYS$PIPE is returning a blank line= (NULL) then you are executing "DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG XYZ &X" whichw> translates into "DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG XYZ " since X is NULL. Since: this is part of a PIPE command DCL can not ask you for the/ missing parameter and you end up with an error.    Tryt    $ pipe directory file.wrk; | - ;  ( read sys$pipe x1 ; read sys$pipe x2 ; define /JOB /NOLOGa	 xyz &x2 )d  = and you will see the difference (as long as file.wrk is stille there).    $ pipe directory file.wrk; | -=  ( read sys$pipe null ; read sys$pipe x1 ; read sys$pipe nulla> ; read sys$pipe x2 ; define /JOB /NOLOG xyz1 &x1 ; define /JOB /NOLOG xy2 &x2 ) $ show log xyz*n   will be a better example.b   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.caa   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:57:05 -0500n( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)@ Subject: Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display1 Message-ID: <03102114570570@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Peter Weaver wrote:a< > I still think so :) Did you try it again without the space > there?? > $ pipe dir | (read sys$pipe x ; define/job/nolog xyz &x) ! Noo > spacel8 > %DCL-W-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification - > respecify   N Oh, that SPACE!  But that still does not solve the riddle - I must have missed the boat this morning...     For example (with NO SPACE):   Fails: (#1) $ pipe directory file.wrk; | -L        ( read sys$pipe x ; def/JOB/NOLOG xyz &x ) ; eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz")> %DCL-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification - respecify  	 Succeeds:a (#2) $ pipe directory file.wrk; | -G        ( read sys$pipe x ; read sys$pipe x ; def/JOB/NOLOG xyz &x ) ; -r        eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz")l $ show symbol eqvnam%   EQVNAM = "Directory MYDISK:[MYDIR]"o  	 Succeeds:o (#3)/ $ pipe directory /nohead /notrail file.wrk; | - L        ( read sys$pipe x ; def/JOB/NOLOG xyz &x ) ; eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz") $ show symbol eqvnam%   EQVNAM = "MYDISK:[MYDIR]FILE.WRK;1"C  < > filenames. Your read of SYS$PIPE is returning a blank line? > (NULL) then you are executing "DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG XYZ &X" whiche@ > translates into "DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG XYZ " since X is NULL. Since< > this is part of a PIPE command DCL can not ask you for the1 > missing parameter and you end up with an error.   M A NULL line - makes since - can not translate a NULL into a symbol - at leasttN in this manner  - NOW I understand!  This can also be overcome by (in addition to #2 or #3 above):    $ pipe directory file.wrk; | -C        ( read sys$pipe x ; x = "''x' " ; def/JOB/NOLOG xyz &x ) ; -a        eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz")  $ show symbol eqvnam   EQVNAM = "*"    
 Thanks Peter!t     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*ne VMS Systems Administratorl* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:58:37 -0500r( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)@ Subject: Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display1 Message-ID: <03102114583730@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>y   Opps:u   $ pipe directory file.wrk; | -C        ( read sys$pipe x ; x = "''x'*" ; def/JOB/NOLOG xyz &x ) ; -l        eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz")( $ show symbol eqvnam   EQVNAM = "*"  : Left out the * in the string - was testing other things...     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nH VMS Systems Administratort* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Oct 2003 23:55 CDT . From: carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)@ Subject: Re: PIPE  error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display4 Message-ID: <21OCT200323552635@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>  , brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes... }Peter Weaver wrote:@ }> Is that really a space between the & and the x? If it is then> }> x is probably a symbol that is trying to run a program that! }> wants to write to a X display.T } + }I do not think that that is the problem - o } = }In a different test not using RSH I have some oddities also:r } K }Here I perform the same exact command on a non-existent file and it works:- }$ pipe directory file.txt; | - K }( read sys$pipe x ; define /JOB /NOLOG xyz &x ) ; eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz")n }  }$ show symbol eqvnamt- }  EQVNAM = "%DIRECT-NOFILES, no files found"e }  } H }Here I perform the same exact command on an existent file and it fails: }$ pipe directory file.wrk; | -tK }( read sys$pipe x ; define /JOB /NOLOG xyz &x ) ; eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz")n? }%DCL-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification - respecifyl }  }$ dirs file.*;P }  }Directory mydevice:[mydir]m } Q }FILE.WRK;1                                     1/18      21-OCT-2003 12:28:46.59s }  }Total of 1 file, 1/18 blocks. }$ }  }J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n    G First, notice that when the filespec used in the directory command does I not exist you get a single line of output back that is the error message.a  J Now notice how in the directory output when the file exists the very first line is a blank line.O  G It is that blank line that your "read" is reading. That read is setting8F "x" to be that record, i.e. nothing. That makes the "&x" in the define5 command become nothing when the substitution is done.0  C For reasons that are not clear, the message you get when you try towL define a logical name to be absolutely nothing is "%DCL-W-NULFIL, missing orK invalid file specification - respecify". This is prehaps not the best errornI message as it is the value you are trying to set a logical name to, which0J will not necessarily be a file specification - I would think that a betterK error code would be the SS$_INVARG (with the DCL falcility set and witht heaB same "W" severity, it would be "%DCL-W-INVARG, invalid argument").   Example: $ x = "" $ def foo &x@ %DCL-W-NULFIL, missing or invalid file specification - respecify  6 So what you are seeing is exactly what you should see.  G What you need to do is explain what you are trying to do. Whatever thatkB is, you are not doing the right things to get the desired outcome.G The solution may be as simple as specifying /NOHEADING on the DIRECTORYdN command, which eliminates the blank line and the line that starts "Directory",L and the blank line after that. But an F$Search() might be more like what youK really want. Or maybe not. I don't know what you are actually tyring to do.M   --- Carl   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:10:03 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)s? Subject: Re: PIPE error "X Toolkit Warning: cannot open display3' Message-ID: <bn47bb$a2$1@pcls4.std.com>c  < You need $ DIRECTORY/NOHEAD to get rid of unnecessary cruft.  . $ pipe directory/nohead/notrail login.com; | -J ( read sys$pipe x ; define /JOB /NOLOG xyz &x ) ; eqvnam = f$trnlnm("xyz")   $ show symbol eqvnam.   EQVNAM = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]LOGIN.COM;733"     -- s -MikeM   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 12:29:28 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)'; Subject: Position available: VMS/DSM, Falls Church, VA, USAt= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310211129.7c2618e0@posting.google.com>t  ; Posted on behalf of the gentleman hiring for this position:  ---eA From: Hartenau, Baldomero G. [BALDOMERO.G.HARTENAU <at> saic.com]   $ Enterprise Systems Architect/Analyst  F Job Description: Provide leadership in the design of architectures forF enterprise systems in support of the Military Healthcare System (MHS),D a government customer who is implementing a comprehensive enterpriseD information systems architecture. Knowledge is required in the three? main areas of IT systems, namely, communications, computationalr? components and storage. The successful candidate is expected to D perform work towards improving existing architectures to accommodateE changes in requirements and growth, and also to take advantage of thetC latest and upcoming changes in technology. Responsibilities include = performing trade studies and research into new technology andeE equipment that will become available, and recommendations to customersC about what strategy to pursue in the purchase of equipment. This isgD not only to meet present needs, but also to optimally satisfy futureC needs in view of trends in industry and the direction technology istF taking. Knowledge of systems operating under VMS and DSM is important,F as is the ability to develop formal BOMs that will enable the customerE to purchase the necessary equipment for his enterprise. The candidatetC is expected to design and direct tests conducted for the purpose ofIF extracting data for his/her design, analysis, and recommendations. TheF candidate must also consider system and component capacity for current@ and future systems in order to achieve desired performance. ThisF includes providing data to the capacity planning team for use in theirF models and simulations, as well as incorporating their recommendationsA into the formulation of the architecture design. ResponsibilitiestA include the writing of reports that contain the design as well as @ options and recommendations, and the preparation and delivery of@ presentations of same. The successful individual must be able toF assume individual responsibility for assignments, as well as work withE a team of coworkers in order to achieve programmatic goals. Candidate:E must be able to obtain US DoD ADP II security clearance. The position-% is to be staffed in Falls Church, VA.0  D Education: B.S. in an Information Technology field, or in equivalent  ; Required Skills: At least 8 years experience in large-scaleeE information systems, architecture design and the performance of tradec= studies.  Knowledge in the area of performance management ande architecture optimization.  > Desired Skills: Knowledge of VMS and DSM systems. Knowledge ofE military health systems. Excellent communication skills, both writtenm and verbal.p   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:41:30 +0000 (UTC)l From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?h) Message-ID: <bn3r4a$8fd$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>M  V In article <3F956B29.84D24775@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Didier Morandi wrote: >> What is DMZ?E >1M >In a NAT router, you specify to which host in your intranet a call to port XML >gets directed. The "DMZ" (is that just a consumer buzzword, or is that usedM >for serious routers as well ?) is essentially the specification of a defaulth, >host to which all other calls get directed. >iJ Home NAT router providers may be misusing the term DMZ in that manner but K for serious commercial firewall/router manufacturers it definitely does nott have that meaning.L The DMZ is a DeMilitarized Zone - ie an area connected to the firewall whichF can contain multiple systems. It is definitely not a NAT default host.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      K >If you don't have a default host, then calls coming in to a port which you M >haven't specified in your router are stopped at the router (since the routereI >doesn't know to which host in your intranet to send the connect request)  >yL >If you specify a default host, then that host can receive calls to any portF >(except those specifically directed to other hosts in your intranet). >1H >Consider FTP where the remote server initiates a call to your host on aM >"Random" port for the data transfer. The "DMZ" will allow this to happen (asaM >long as your are doing the FTP from the host in the DMZ). Otherwise you needaO >to do your FTPs in passive mode since there si no way for the remote server to ' >connect to your host on a random port.o >c >> MX? >1N >There are a few types of DNS definitions. the "A" record provides equivalence= >between a host name ( www.chocolate.com ) and an IP address.a > U >The MX record provides an equivalence between an email domain name and an host name.e >rO >For instance, if you run your smtp server on www.chocolate.com, you would haved
 >an MX recordg? >that points emails for "chocolate.com" to "www.chocolate.com".n > N >so, if you send an email to chef@chocolate.com , the sending SMTP server willK >do an MX lookup for chocolate.com , find out that the smtp server for thisMJ >domain is "www.chocolate.com". It will then do an A record translation ofN >www.chocolate.com to find its IP address and then connect to that IP address' >port 25 to send the message.g > O >MX records can be a bit more complex with a list of possible SMTP servers, but % >in your case, it doesn't need to be.- > ! >> How do you "add an MX record"?r	 >> Where?h >mM >In most consumer DNS schemes, you don't add it, they add it for you when you  >register your domain. >t! >> Who is my best RTFM friend :-)f >  >For DNS issues:= >http://www.goldencode.com/atlos2/notes/dns/dns.html#resourceU >bL >For SMTP, you can take a good look at the TCPIP Services Management manual.G >Note that to setup yur DNS zone files (if you are running your own DNSwK >servers), the above resources are needed since the VMS documentation lacksh; >proper documentation on the format/contents of zone files..3 >(those are the .DB files in TCPIP$BIND directory.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:46:15 -0500n5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> / Subject: Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?f9 Message-ID: <bn4nh7$tk62p$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>t   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:lX > In article <3F956B29.84D24775@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >  >>Didier Morandi wrote:d >> >>>What is DMZ?o >>N >>In a NAT router, you specify to which host in your intranet a call to port XM >>gets directed. The "DMZ" (is that just a consumer buzzword, or is that usedtN >>for serious routers as well ?) is essentially the specification of a default- >>host to which all other calls get directed.k >> > L > Home NAT router providers may be misusing the term DMZ in that manner but M > for serious commercial firewall/router manufacturers it definitely does notp > have that meaning.N > The DMZ is a DeMilitarized Zone - ie an area connected to the firewall whichH > can contain multiple systems. It is definitely not a NAT default host. >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  D Well, we are talking about a home setup here taking it from Didiers E original question, and yes I think most people here are aware of the 'E differences of a commercial grade and a home DSL router for 50 bucks tH solution. Still in both cases the system in the DMZ are in front of the & "firewall" before your "core" network.  F As for dynamic DNS providers check www.no-ip.com and www.dyndns.org, IF personally am a happy camper with no-ip but know of many other people F who are satisfied with dyndns, I really do not want to start a "My xxx. is better than your yyy" discussion over this.   Greetings, Martina   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:53:30 -0400h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?m) Message-ID: <3F95F102.4527FA57@istop.com>R   "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote:tI > solution. Still in both cases the system in the DMZ are in front of the>( > "firewall" before your "core" network.  M Nop. In the case of residential routers, the DMZ resides inside the intranet.jL It really just means that one host on your intranet gets any connect requestI to a port that wasn't specifically directed to one host in your intranet.e  M Residential routers only have 2 ethernet segments: the one to the ISP and thetL one to your intranet. (this is muddled a bit because many routers now have aH built-in switch for the intranet side, but they are unmanaged switches).  H > who are satisfied with dyndns, I really do not want to start a "My xxx0 > is better than your yyy" discussion over this.   TPU is better than EDT  	 <ducking>    :-)o   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Oct 2003 19:10:10 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)-C Subject: Storage upgrades added to Alpha Customer Assurance Program = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310211810.7adfbef1@posting.google.com>d  F "Alpha Customer Assurance Program "delivers more" with storage upgrade  A The Alpha Customer Assurance Program (ACAP) is delivering more totD AlphaServer system customers through the addition of an exciting new@ storage component planned for worldwide availability in 2004 andE scheduled to launch in the United States, Canada, and EMEA within the$B next 10 weeks. HP customers running OpenVMS or Tru64 UNIX on theirC AlphaServer systems can upgrade their HP StorageWorks HSG80 storagenE system (Modular Array 8000, Enterprise Modular Array (EMA) 12000, andiA EMA16000) to a new HP StorageWorks Enterprise Virtual Array (EVA) A system, including Fibre Channel disks, and receive an incrementalaF discount of 8 percent toward the purchase of a new EVA storage system.F Additionally, Data Replication Manager (DRM) customers upgrading to an? EVA solution through this program are eligible to upgrade to HPi: StorageWorks Continuous Access EVA software at a discount.  ) Find more details on the storage offer atmF http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/practices.html  pF ACAP is part of the HP Alpha RetainTrust program -- HP's commitment toC provide long-term business continuity for easing the evolution fromn? AlphaServer systems to HP Integrity servers. For more on ACAP'sh? investment-protection options, including trade-in, leasing, and , upgrades for both hardware and software, see( http://www.hp.com/go/alpha-retaintrust "   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:16:19 -0500t1 From: "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu>e) Subject: User permissions vs. volume ACLseL Message-ID: <EEC575D39D864C4BBAE8CD309982B0F20816E0@sphnt33.sph.uth.tmc.edu>   Hi,-E I'm trying to move a user's account from one disk to another. After = E changing his device in AUTHORIZE, I log into his account but cannot =eG access any of the files. The user is RPB in group STAFF and he is the = C owner of directory and all files and sub-directories. I thought I =hG modified the ACLs for the device/volume correctly but apparently not. =n What am I missing here?rF Included below is the error message on account [RPB] followed by the =+ SHOW DEVICE/FULL from a privileged account.d   AXP>diro= %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening $1$DUA300:[RPB]*.*;* as input ? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationi   AXP>sh dev/full $1$dua300   I Disk $1$DUA300: (HSJ001), device type MSCP served SCSI disk, is online, =  mounted,I     file-oriented device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, =e error      logging is enabled.   J     Error count                    0    Operations completed             =  74684H     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      = [SYSTEM]=     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            =' S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WNJ     Reference count                2    Default buffer size              =    512J     Current preferred CPU Id       0    Fastpath                         =      1J     Total blocks            17769177    Sectors per track                =    169J     Total cylinders             5258    Tracks per cylinder              =     20G     Host name               "HSJ001"    Host type, avail              =h	 HSJ4, yeshI     Alternate host name      "XXXX1"    Alt. type, avail DEC 7000 Model =y 610, yes$     Allocation class               1  J     Volume label             "CCCC1"    Relative volume number           =      0J     Cluster size                  18    Transaction count                =      2J     Free blocks              1744992    Maximum files allowed            = 467609J     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                      =      2=     Mount status              System    Cache name          =  "_$2$DKB0:XQPCACHE" J     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache   = 174499J     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache = 275238J     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache     =    6505     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot    =  S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCDy     Volume access control list:gB       (IDENTIFIER=3D[STAFF,RPB],ACCESS=3DREAD+WRITE+CREATE+DELETE)>       (IDENTIFIER=3D[RES,*],ACCESS=3DREAD+WRITE+CREATE+DELETE)1       (IDENTIFIER=3DCCCT_RO,ACCESS=3DREAD+CREATE)s;       (IDENTIFIER=3DCCCT,ACCESS=3DREAD+WRITE+CREATE+DELETE):  D   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, write-back = cachingr       enabled.#   Volume is also mounted on XXXXX2.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:04:25 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: User permissions vs. volume ACLss) Message-ID: <3F95D778.2CF7078D@istop.com>    "Grealy, Patrick" wrote:	 > AXP>dirs? > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening $1$DUA300:[RPB]*.*;* as inputeA > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationi    G Do you have security alarms enabled on the operator console ? The alarm D generated by the above would tell you exactly which resource failed.  9 make sure that $1$dua300:[000000]rpb.dir is owned by RPB.h  M Also, in the ACL for the device, should the user also have "CONTROL" access ?3   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:37:12 -0400O* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?c) Message-ID: <3F956EC5.148C7950@istop.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:K >    More like non-ACM LOGINOUT will be _supported_ at least until HP stops4L >    _support_ on VAX VMS.  Which is likely to be quite some time after theyH >    stop development on VAX VMS.  Which is not even on the horizon yet.  K I wouldn't bet my life on this. Consider that right now, development on VAXIN consists more and more of only ensuring interoperability with Alphas. We don't get many new features on VAX.i  K The minute HP annouces the end of new versions on VMS, it essentially meansdG that VAX-VMS will no longer get interoperability fixes and it will only A continue to run with Alphas which will also stay at that version.   F HP will have the thread carefully. If IA64 is a commercial flop with 0K interest in it, HP may be tempted to put incentives (read: pressure) on VAX:K and Alpha customers to force them to migrate to that IA64 thing. That wouldSL mean telling VAX customers that they won't be getting more upgrades soon and should move to IA64.  M On the other hand, if IA64 is a flop, HP should hold on to existing customersoK very dearly and that means TLC and no bad news, and that would mean perhapsiK some new commitments to the VAX and Alpha customer base with regards to VMS M development , at least until all is ported to 64 bit 8086 from Intel whenevere Intel does release it.  J >    IMHO HP should spend some money on merging some parts of the VAX codeB >    base with the Alpha/IA64 code base as that is likely to bringC >    support costs down.  Let the engineers figure out which parts.a  N I agree. However, from Carly's pont of view, if the goal was to streamline theL number of platforms and reduce support costs, her way of seing this would beM to kill off VAX and Alpha as soon as possible and focus on that unwanted IA64 K thing. With such a mentality, justifying some effort ($) on VAX to make VAXn@ support less costly in the longer term would be quite difficult.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:53:08 -0500u/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>e! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?t3 Message-ID: <3F95C6E4.9A6042E6@applied-synergy.com>e   JF Mezei wrote:: >  > someone wrote:I > > Fair enough.  Just beware of the possibility that for some version oftI > > VMS the non-SYS$ACM version of LOGINOUT might no longer be supported.t > K > Since ACM is not supported on VAX, as long as VMS continues to be able to L > cluster with Alphas, wouldn't it be logical to state that non-ACM LOGINOUTD > will be supported at least until HP stops development on VAX VMS ?  C Well, you would think so.  But remember that the VAX and Alpha haveu9 different code bases, so they could diverge even further.	  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------0$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com s   Fax: 817-237-30740   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:20:12 GMTt( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>A Subject: Re: White paper: CHARON-VAX cluster w/ shared SCSI disks ? Message-ID: <MFflb.3003$P%1.2691356@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>t  K This statement oddly makes perfect sense to me.  IMHO part of the liability J of Windows isn't Windows itself but that everyone and their siblings writeJ drivers and "privileged" code for it.    Then add to it the Internet stuffK and all the plug-ins for the browsers.  If the Windows platform come from asH Tier I PC vendor, end-users aren't allowed to "play", and Windows itselfI never talks to the network, then yes stability can be immensely improved.n      A "Michael Unger" <db6st.rev.0131a55a@t-online.de> wrote in messagef3 news:bmp4tu$peovt$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de...t, > On 2003-10-17 15:24, "Robert Boers" wrote: >g5 > > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message 7 > > news:bmmj9m$nto2l$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de...I0 > >> On 2003-10-15 23:03, "Wilm Boerhout" wrote: > > 	 > > [...]-H > >> "VMS on IA-32" isn't the problem, but "Charon-VAX on *Windows*" ... > >fH > > As might have shown from an earlier message, CHARON-VAX uses Windows mainlyF > > as program loader, and one can disable unused services. Windows isF >                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^L > > remarkably stable if it is not used. We had our local demo system up for' >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^m: > > over a year before it was time for a hardware upgrade. >o > ;-)n > J > > CHARON-VAX/AXP on an OpenVMS/Alpha host is a good alternative. One can buildt& > > nice clusters on a Marvel as well. > >,	 > > [...]t >eF > Agreed. But an AlphaServer *and* an additional license to run VMS as8 > "hosting OS" will probably be a bit more expensive ... > C > I still don't understand why -- given the Intel based approach --eD > Winwoes is used as the "hosting OS". I'd expected a small and fastF > (real-time) OS as "program loader", perhaps even using the "primary": > disk and network controllers instead of additional ones. > 	 > Michaels >e > -- r= > Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.0B > Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityC > Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. ? > And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)i >s >t >e >s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.585 ************************