1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 22 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 586       Contents:% Re: DCL script to change system time. % Re: DCL script to change system time. % Re: DCL script to change system time. % Re: DCL script to change system time. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. - Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp. P Re: HP announces new AlphaServer systems and enhancements to Tru64 UNIX and Open. HP offers WebLogic on OpenVMS, NonStop servers$ http://www.montagar.com/ unreachable( Re: http://www.montagar.com/ unreachable& Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha?! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment ! Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment , Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried..., Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried...% Re: Problem with UCX QIOW IO$_SETMODE   Re: Product (PCSI) Info Question  Re: Product (PCSI) Info Question  Re: Product (PCSI) Info Question Product problem ' Questions about BACKUP / SAVESETMANAGER ) Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media & Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch? statistics on DEC and CPQ % We buy Alpha  - URGENT - DS10 systems ) Re: We buy Alpha  - URGENT - DS10 systems " We need your XP1000 667Mhz Systems Re: What is ACME_SERVER?. [ANNOUNCEMENT]  CSWS_PHP V1.2 is now available  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:15:51 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> . Subject: Re: DCL script to change system time./ Message-ID: <vpc84ns2fb8i71@corp.supernews.com>   + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: N : You need to submit this for each VMS host you have. If you are in a cluster, : you could:   : $MC SYSMAN : SET ENV/CLUSTER  : DO SET TIME="-01:00:00"  : EXIT  E If you have mutiple nodes to set, with some NOT in a cluster, but all C running DECnet, you can use SET ENVIRONMENT/NODES=(node1,node2,...)   1 (And always a good idea to then CONFIG SHOW TIME)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:00:46 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>. Subject: Re: DCL script to change system time.: Message-ID: <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONIEIFCEAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  K within the cluster, you can set and synchronize the time with the following 	 commands:    	$  SET TIME="-01:00:00" 	$  SET TIME/CLUSTER   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:11:36 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: DCL script to change system time.) Message-ID: <3F962D6E.7203A7CD@istop.com>    Carl Perkins wrote: O > The CONFIG SET TIME is supposed to use a little logic that deals with command M > propigation delays and such so that the systems all get the same time, more $ > or less. See SYSMAN's HELP CONFIG.  L Actually, for a delta time, I don't think it would make much of a differenceJ since it doesn't really matter when each node is told to subtract one hour from ITS own time.  I But for setting a full date"/time, then yes, the congig set time has more ; logic to it to better synchronise execution of the command.   N having said that, while a simple SET TIME="-01:00:00" will do the trick on theM surface, it doesn't change the sys$timezone_differential which defines offset K with GMT (GMT doesn't change, so when you switch from daylight to standard,  your offset to GMT changes).  S So the sys$example:daylight_savings.com procedure may in fact be the best solution.   K I always forget which of the UTC*.com procedure in sys$manager one needs to  run to change the GMT offset.   G Also, at what point during the boot and which procedure is in charge of O reading the time configuration file and setting the time_differential logical ?    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2003 06:18:34 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman). Subject: Re: DCL script to change system time.= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0310220518.44e53af2@posting.google.com>   X Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<vpc84ns2fb8i71@corp.supernews.com>...- > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: P > : You need to submit this for each VMS host you have. If you are in a cluster, > : you could: >    > : $MC SYSMAN > : SET ENV/CLUSTER  > : DO SET TIME="-01:00:00"  > : EXIT > G > If you have mutiple nodes to set, with some NOT in a cluster, but all E > running DECnet, you can use SET ENVIRONMENT/NODES=(node1,node2,...)  > 3 > (And always a good idea to then CONFIG SHOW TIME)     D This only works if SMISERVER is running on said nodes. It also helpsE if the password is the same on all such nodes since you will be asked  for it.      Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:13:03 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.4 Message-ID: <3f962e01$0$10415$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  = WASD (http://wasd.vsm.com.au/) is missing in slide 10 of the  G http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/f2003_intro_vms.ppt presentation as an   open WEB Server    Keith Parris wrote:  ../.. A > And actually, I happen to know for a fact that Keith Parris was E > allowed to go to HP World for the past 2 years and publicly compare G > the disaster-tolerant cluster technology available across all of HP's E > platforms (which always makes VMS look good, of course).  Slides at " > http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/   D. --  ;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News ?        English: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf @        French: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdf  F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation D    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2003 06:32:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.3 Message-ID: <LZa0As0scfbf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <3f962e01$0$10415$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: ? > WASD (http://wasd.vsm.com.au/) is missing in slide 10 of the  I > http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/f2003_intro_vms.ppt presentation as an   > open WEB Server   B Which does not really matter to those of us not running Microsoft.  L Why can't those who _do_ use Microsoft publish in a non-proprietary format ?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2003 09:21:41 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0310220821.615d2714@posting.google.com>   ^ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3f962e01$0$10415$626a54ce@news.free.fr>...? > WASD (http://wasd.vsm.com.au/) is missing in slide 10 of the  I > http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/f2003_intro_vms.ppt presentation as an   > open WEB Server   = This 'Introduction to OpenVMS' presentation is aimed at folks F unfamiliar with VMS, and the message of that slide is that the chancesA are very good that all their favorite pieces of software from the " open-source world run on VMS, too.  F Folks unfamiliar with OpenVMS wouldn't have heard about WASD (or OSU).   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Oct 2003 16:52:10 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: DECUS: "C" stands for Computer, not Corp.9 Message-ID: <bn6cjq$tlgto$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   = In article <cf15391e.0310220821.615d2714@posting.google.com>, 4 	keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: > ? > This 'Introduction to OpenVMS' presentation is aimed at folks H > unfamiliar with VMS, and the message of that slide is that the chancesC > are very good that all their favorite pieces of software from the $ > open-source world run on VMS, too.  E Say what?  Since when?  I would be surprised if as much as 10% of the 2 current OpenSource Software could be built on VMS.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:50:19 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: HP announces new AlphaServer systems and enhancements to Tru64 UNIX and Open 2 Message-ID: <TPadnQ9xcpZa2QuiU-KYhA@metrocast.net>  3 "Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in message , news:chklb.7541$O94.1984@news.cpqcorp.net...* > Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:H > > I hope HP knows what it is doing because who knows when Itanium will? > > be available in system configurations of 32 and/or 64 CPUs?  > H > The availability dates should be present on the SPECcpu2000 submittalsC > for Superdome with 1.5 GHz Itanium2 6M CPUs. http://www.spec.org/ F > There are also the TPC-C results, but I don't know where in those to8 > go to find HW versus SW versus App availability dates.  G Unfortunately, Superdome scales so poorly that its 64-processor systems , aren't notably faster than the current EV7s:  7 SPECint_rate base score:  Marvel - 573, Superdome - 904 7 SPECint_rate peak score:  Marvel - 632, Superdome - 904 6 SPECfp_rate base score:  Marvel - 813, Superdome - 8467 SPECfp_rate peak score:  Marvel - 1068, Superdome - 928   L You might think that at least the SPECint scores are significantly superior,K until you take into account that they can only be generated using the HP-UX K compiler (which has so far been about 20% ahead of the rest of the world in J SPECint on Itanic - so one might expect VMS performance on Superdome to beE predicted by SPECint scores more like 753/753 - assuming that they've 8 managed to upgrade from the Merced compiler by then...).  I If EV79 had stuck to its original plan as of the Alphacide (1.7 GHz, 3 MB J on-chip cache, start-of-2004 delivery), it would have blown Superdome away8 in the large-system space.  Hmmm - could that be a clue?  I (Of course, if Compaq had wanted it, EV8 would have been here right now.)    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:16:39 -0400 ' From: "Wayne W. Scott" <wscott@nac.net> 7 Subject: HP offers WebLogic on OpenVMS, NonStop servers ' Message-ID: <3F96BB77.499A6544@nac.net>   	 Hi Folks:   U Although this news is a bit dated, it is something positive to report with OpenVMS in 
 the headline.   P http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,81391,00.html    V WebLogic on OpenVMS is still part of the mainstream product offerings at BEA. In otherT words, the OpenVMS version is right on the schedule with all the others.  Although IX cannot quantify with company names and sales numbers, it is indeed selling.  One deal atP the beginning of the year was with a highly-visible, prominent financial firm inW London.  Then recently I saw support cases coming in from other customers.  One example  ...    http://www.eurokom.ie/  b http://216.148.48.100/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article&group=weblogic.support.install&item=11846&utag=       fwiw,  wws    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:49:06 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>- Subject: http://www.montagar.com/ unreachable 4 Message-ID: <3f962864$0$10428$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   http://www.montagar.com/ Timeout period expired, %REM-S-END, control returned to node DTL02::   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:14:27 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>1 Subject: Re: http://www.montagar.com/ unreachable 4 Message-ID: <3f962e55$0$10415$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  4 Hobbyist link now is http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/   Didier Morandi wrote:    > http://www.montagar.com/ > Timeout period expired. > %REM-S-END, control returned to node DTL02::   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:40:58 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> / Subject: Re: memory upgrade for uVAX and Alpha? 8 Message-ID: <rdjcpvkcen971paqhotv91ftd00v625jug@4ax.com>  H On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:09:24 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Chris Scheers wrote: K >> Then it gets weird.  The two memory boards are different.  They stack on 7 >> top of each other and your combinations are limited.  >>  . >> 0 or 1 from MS42-KA (8MB) or MS42-CA (16MB). >> 0 or 1 from MS42-AB (4MB) or MS42-BA (12MB) > O >What happens if you stick 2 MS42-CA boards ? Do you get 32 megs with the 4 meg N >that is onboard disabled ? (on the all mighty Microvax II, the on-board 1 meg6 >gets disabled when you put in 16meg of external ram).  L You can't stack them.  The 8Mb and 16Mb boards are physically different fromG the 4Mb and 12Mb options.  You can only stack dislike boards.  Possible * options are (the first 4Mb being onboard):  	 4 + 4 = 8 
 4 + 8 = 12 4 + 12 = 16  4 + 16 = 20  4 + 4 + 8 = 16 4 + 4 + 16 = 24  4 + 12 + 8 = 24  4 + 12 + 16 = 32  < Two ways of making 16Mb and 24Mb, and no way of making 28Mb.   --   John Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:16:38 -0700 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment6 Message-ID: <200310221016.h9MAGcIK028882@www.aarg.net>  B On 21 Oct 2003, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote: >OpenVMS Advertisment @ >Post in comp.os.vms To folks that say that they support OpenVMS
 >34 responses  >aprox 6 postive responses >rest are complaints  L I appreciate seeing there has been a mention, but I hope it's just the first8 baby steps in a much larger and higher profile campaign.     Doc. --  K OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com     http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:37:51 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment' Message-ID: <bn5q45$hqp$1@lore.csc.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > OpenVMS AdvertismentA > Post in comp.os.vms To folks that say that they support OpenVMS  > 34 responses > aprox 6 postive responses  > rest are complaints   H This ad is also full page in this weeks (21/10) "Computer Weekly" in the UK.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:10:25 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentJ Message-ID: <ldwlb.238029$ko%.117013@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > OpenVMS AdvertismentA > Post in comp.os.vms To folks that say that they support OpenVMS  > 34 responses > aprox 6 postive responses  > rest are complaints      Sue,  B I for one appreciate all you do for the VMS community but let's be
 realistic.  A One ad with VMS mentioned as a footnote is not exactly a crowning K achievement for VMS - it's more like the little boy who casts his eyes down J at the ground whilst scuffing his shoes in the dirt and mumbling below hisK breath that he invented the world's first practical fusion reactor and that " he's not proud of his achievement.  K From HP's corporate perspective I know that we (the customers) are just the C tail on the dog (HP) and all available evidence susbstantiates that 
 viewpoint.  ' Q. What is HP's most prosperous market?  A. USA  9 Q. Who at customers signs the checks and purchase orders?  A. Business and IT executives.  8 Q. How do you convey a message to business and IT execs?
 A. Advertise.   G Q. How do you convey your message to business and IT execs in your most  prosperous market? A. Advertise in the USA.  2 Q. How many VMS ads have we seen in the US market? A. Zero.    F Is what you are trying to tell us that the people in the UK who do theJ advertising and marketing of VMS 'get it' and the dolts who 'do it' in the USA don't get it?   I If so, bring the UK folks over and outsource the US advertising/marketing  people to Bangalore ASAP.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:53:09 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertismentI Message-ID: <9Zvlb.237952$ko%.53244@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Nic Clews wrote: > Sue Skonetski wrote: >> >> OpenVMS Advertisment B >> Post in comp.os.vms To folks that say that they support OpenVMS >> 34 responses  >> aprox 6 postive responses >> rest are complaints > F > This ad is also full page in this weeks (21/10) "Computer Weekly" in	 > the UK.     H So give that there's only a 5 hour time difference between the UK and USJ Eastern Time, we should expect to see a flood of OpenVMS advertisements in the USA:  3 a) 5 hours after the UK ones appear (GMT - 5 hours) - b) 5 days after the UK ones (air mail delays) - c) 5 weeks after the UK ones (shipped by sea) G d) 5 months after the UK ones (how long it takes for HP USA to clue in)  e) 5 millenia after the UK ones   ; Choose carefully. Only one of the above choices is correct.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:25:28 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS in an HP advertisment4 Message-ID: <1031022132346.403A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, John Smith wrote:   > Nic Clews wrote: > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >> > >> OpenVMS Advertisment D > >> Post in comp.os.vms To folks that say that they support OpenVMS > >> 34 responses  > >> aprox 6 postive responses > >> rest are complaints > > H > > This ad is also full page in this weeks (21/10) "Computer Weekly" in > > the UK.  >  > J > So give that there's only a 5 hour time difference between the UK and USL > Eastern Time, we should expect to see a flood of OpenVMS advertisements in
 > the USA: > 5 > a) 5 hours after the UK ones appear (GMT - 5 hours) / > b) 5 days after the UK ones (air mail delays) / > c) 5 weeks after the UK ones (shipped by sea) I > d) 5 months after the UK ones (how long it takes for HP USA to clue in) ! > e) 5 millenia after the UK ones  > = > Choose carefully. Only one of the above choices is correct.   B I hope it's "e".  If VMS is still around in 7003 (with a mere 3000A years to go before the YYYY date overflows and the mythic "future 1 version" has to be released), I'll be happy.  ;-)    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:19:19 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried... 0 Message-ID: <bn5sko$hb3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <bn3oma$ouu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >> >>>In article <bn36nv$gbl$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>> J >>>>>	You certainly don't see anyone lined up to migrate to Power, do you?> >>>>>	Power systems are a high-performing high-dollar niche.   >>>>>  >>>>5 >>>>BS check out the 2-8 way IBM power boxes they may < >>>>be more expensive than 2-8 way SPARC but they make IA-64D >>>>and for that matter HP-PA based systems look grossly overpriced. >>>>8 >>>>As always your posts are not supported by the facts. >>>> >>>  >>> < >>>	No.  In your valiant efforts to gain one upmanship, you A >>>	always pick and choose your criteria.  Redefining on the fly.  >>> : >>>	POWER SYSTEMS ARE A HIGH-PERFORMING HIGH-DOLLAR NICHE. >>>  >>E >>Do you have any idea what a Power based 2 CPU server costs. Clearly ( >>not. How about 11K for a 2 CPU system. >> >  > D > 	Clearly higher (much in some cases) than competing 2 CPU systems. >   . More lack of researchon your part I am afraid.  H Equivalent 2 CPU Xeons with an OS, RedHat AS or Windows 2000/2003 server: come out at about 9500 for the first year and end up being9 more expensive than the IBM by the end of the third year.   8 I guess we are now in for a protracted set of posts from you trying to redefine MUCH.   You are as always an amusement > < >>Care to revise your BS and remove the HIGH DOLLAR rubbish. >  > > > 	No.  11K is a starting place.  Things scream up from there.  > 	Power is a high-priced niche. >   + Ahh the if in doubt BS a bit more approach.   < A 2 way Power4 based system with 2GB of RAM 2 x 36 GB drives5 and AIX costs  $12495, without AIX ready to run Linux  $9985.  < A 4 way power4 based system with 8 GB of RAM 2 x 36GB drives with AIX costs $42995.  < A 2 way HP DL380 2GB RAM 2x36GB internal drives Windows 2003 costs $10012  ? A 4 way HP DL580 8GB of RAM 2x36GB internal drives Windows 2003  costs $40857  ! More facts that disprove your BS.   : Earlier you said that I was free to continue with the line9 of argument you are equally free to stop my guess is that 2 you won't despite the obvious reasons for doing so   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2003 08:30:43 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 5 Subject: Re: OT: Why Scott McNeally is not worried... 3 Message-ID: <Qd1wcnGv51ee@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bn5sko$hb3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:   >>> F >>>Do you have any idea what a Power based 2 CPU server costs. Clearly) >>>not. How about 11K for a 2 CPU system.  >>>  >>   >>  E >> 	Clearly higher (much in some cases) than competing 2 CPU systems.  >>   > 0 > More lack of researchon your part I am afraid. >    	No - your part.  See below.  J > Equivalent 2 CPU Xeons with an OS, RedHat AS or Windows 2000/2003 server< > come out at about 9500 for the first year and end up being; > more expensive than the IBM by the end of the third year.  >   ; 	I can't help that you shop at the wrong place.  I can meet ' 	your vacuous criteria for under $7000.   : > I guess we are now in for a protracted set of posts from > you trying to redefine MUCH.  ; 	No.  Two can play this game.  Trot out what you are really ? 	talking about for $9500 and I'll show you where I can purchase = 	a two-way 3.2 GHZ Xeon with 2 GByte memory for under $7000 - ( 	OS included, and a three year warranty.   >   > You are as always an amusement >    	Thank you.    >>  = >>>Care to revise your BS and remove the HIGH DOLLAR rubbish.  >>   >>  ? >> 	No.  11K is a starting place.  Things scream up from there. ! >> 	Power is a high-priced niche.  >>   > - > Ahh the if in doubt BS a bit more approach.  > > > A 2 way Power4 based system with 2GB of RAM 2 x 36 GB drives7 > and AIX costs  $12495, without AIX ready to run Linux  > $9985. > > > A 4 way power4 based system with 8 GB of RAM 2 x 36GB drives > with AIX costs $42995. > > > A 2 way HP DL380 2GB RAM 2x36GB internal drives Windows 2003 > costs $10012 > A > A 4 way HP DL580 8GB of RAM 2x36GB internal drives Windows 2003  > costs $40857 > # > More facts that disprove your BS.  >   : 	No.  You are carefully choosing your facts.  I can't helpG 	it if you are - once again - shopping at the wrong vendor.  That last  D 	4-way , 8 GByte entry of yours can be had for under $30000.  We've D 	had this debate in c.o.v. a few months back - you're getting in on A 	it late and like folks then, you are coming up on the short end.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:35:07 +0500 & From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>. Subject: Re: Problem with UCX QIOW IO$_SETMODE9 Message-ID: <bn5mgo$sp0vl$1@ID-184585.news.uni-berlin.de>    Ferry Bolhar wrote:  > Valentin Likoum wrote: > ; >>Hmm.. I have been using this option since UCX 4.2 and now = >>on TCPIP 5.1, but it seems never happens to work. Option is > >>definitly set accordinly to UCX SHOW DEVICE/FULL output. But: >>I always get SS$_DUPLNAM after server restart if I don't4 >>disconnect all the clients before server shutdown. >  > E > The trick is that, with the QIO interface, you must not specify all G > parameters in one call because it seems that they are processed in an K > unsuitable sequence. The BG: driver processes them starting with p1, next N > p2, p3 and so on, whatever was not passed as zero. This means that parameterN > p3 which is used to bind the socket to a specific port is processed _before_J > parameter p5 which is used to set socket options. Therefore, because theL > UCX$_REUSEADDR option isn't yet set at the time parameter p3 is processed,% > the binding fails with SS$_DUPLNAM.  [snip]  =    Bingo! The devil was in the details, as always. Thank you  
 VERY much.   --  
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:28:59 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>) Subject: Re: Product (PCSI) Info Question ' Message-ID: <bn5t41$itq$1@lore.csc.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > V > In article <bn3dpq$lj1$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:  > > > The link is longer than three double decker busses, so useF > > groups.google.com and on May 2nd 2003, look for "PRODUCT behaviour+ > > warning" thread, posted by yours truly.  > 	 > Thanks.  > D > Did you file a formal report ?   I see several bugs in that event.  A It was my hobby system, no support, and while there are supported : systems I could reproduce this on, they are in production.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:15:03 +0100 3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie> ) Subject: Re: Product (PCSI) Info Question * Message-ID: <bn62d6$c35$1@kermit.esat.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:shlGAfeBKcN1@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >   J >Has anyone ever seen a case where PCSI put the files in the wrong place ?  F There is a lot more to an installation than putting files in the rightJ place.  Since this is all PCSI can do, I would have expected that it wouldI be capable of that.  Sadly, from other posts, it seems that it can't even  get that right all the time.  C > Of course not, because VMSINSTAL could not either (even though it D > pretended it could).  There is no guarantee that the customer evenB > has a license for the size machine being used to do the Install,B > particularly in the case of installations done onto system disks > for shipment elsewhere.   L That means that VMSINSTAL could not guarantee that an IVP failure was due toG incorrect installation (could be lack of license etc).  But an IVP pass L *does* mean that it is correctly installed, and is ready to use.  Yes, thereF are some products for which the anount of required configuration wouldI preclude a useful IVP, but there are many where it has provided eminently K practicable.  PCSI therefore chooses to reduce everything to "lowest common L denominator". Just because you can't guarantee that 100% of all products canE make use of an IVP is no justification for removing the functionality 	 entirely.   G > DEC listened to those of us who complained for years about "bad kits" G > whose authors did not have a clue that kits can be installed on other  > than the running system disk.   K If the developer can't put together a VMSINSTAL script (which is not rocket L science after all, I do it for several freeware packages), then how well areK they handling lock manager issues, security etc in the code you don't see ?   D > Not strange at all.  VMSINSTAL is a DCL hack that grew like Topsy,! > but PCSI was actually designed.   L Oh PCSI was certainly designed.  It was designed to provide the same limitedL interface across a number of Operating Systems, and therefore it drasticallyJ limited functionality to simply "putting files in the right place".  It isK the classical trade off of functionality for portability.  VMSINSTAL is far K more than a DCL hack.  It has a very clever approach to installation, which G includes the ability to leave the system in the state it was before the J upgrade if something goes wrong.  Of course, you can't *guarantee* that inJ all cases (e.g. VMS upgrades), but the deferred copy-and-rename does a lotK better job than PCSI.  For example, if upgrading a Fortran compiler crashes K out from a VMSINSTAL script, it hasn't got around to RENAMing the new files I into place (which is done *after* the script exits), so it can pull back. F PCSI can't, because the very first thing it does is to clobber the oldL version.  Sort of like burning down the old bridge before you start building the new one.  Brilliant design.   " >When there is a problem with PCSIA > it is possible for the VMS Developers to respond with something B > better than "don't let your customers use feature X if you build > kits using feature Y".  H Basically PCSI reminds me of a GUI interface. It makes things easier forL naive users, but at the expense of limiting what you can do to what the PCSIJ developers think is reasonable.  If they only provided the ability to callG out a DCL procedure for the cases when simply "putting the files in the F right place" isn't enough, it wouldn't be too bad.  Unfortunately, theI response to any requirement beyond this is always to lecture us on why we J shouldn't be doing this in the first place.  By all means provide a simpleH interface for the simple cases, but provide a means whereby those us who3 know how to write a script can go that bit further.   ? --------------------------------------------------------------- < Tom Wade             | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie? EuroKom              | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom; / Unit A2              |        a=eirmail400;c=ie / Nutgrove Office Park | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696 / Rathfarnham          | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697 < Dublin 14            | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimerC Ireland              | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:00:46 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>) Subject: Re: Product (PCSI) Info Question & Message-ID: <3F96A9AD.F6703D8B@hp.com>   Tom Wade wrote:  > J > If [PCSI] only provided the ability to call out a DCL procedure for the I > cases when simply "putting the files in the right place" isn't enough,   > it wouldn't be too bad.    Isn't that what I    execute {preconfigure, install...remove, postinstall, release, abort}  E are for? You can do just about anything you want in those procedures.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:52:52 -0400 / From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@comcast.net>  Subject: Product problem? Message-ID: <PBEDIAGOKEDCKCLPJKAFMEMNCDAA.hvanderw@comcast.net>   I I have a Alpha/VMS 7.1-1h2 system and I am trying to do product remove of  decnetV.I I started out by just trying to do a product show product * and I got the  error L error opening sys$common:[sysexe]dec-axpvms-decnet_osi-v0701.pcsi$database;1 as input directory not found  no such file  < But if I do a directory of sys$common:[sysexe] it is there !K I am doing all this from the sys$system directory and under a fully priv'ed  account   - If I try to do a product remove of decnet_osi L it say the file sys$common:[sysexe]pcsi$processor.pcsi$database is not found !!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:32:15 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>0 Subject: Questions about BACKUP / SAVESETMANAGER: Message-ID: <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONEEIGCEAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  L we do make backup as deasaster recovery and  user failures. The first one isM very easy (monthly full backup and dayly incremental backup). The incremental N backup will be merged with the SAVESETMANAGER, so that we need to restore onlyI one full backup and one incremental in case of destroyed disk. The backup P against user failure is a problem. We would like to guarentee that a file, whichO did live one day, van be restored within three month. So we need a merge, which L will hold all files regardless they did purge or deleted after one day. DoesN anybody known an easy way to do so. Till now we will save all incrementals forM three month. This are a lot of files and it is not easy to find a file withine all the incrementals backups.i   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Oct 2003 17:18:25 GMT! From: mace@pcuf.fi (Markku Ojala) 2 Subject: Re: Shared distribution of hobbyist media6 Message-ID: <3f96bbe1$0$2091$1b6aedd2@news.songnet.fi>  ) In article <3F8CD81D.BD45D7BF@istop.com>,c, JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: > [sharing condists online]rL > Putting all of condist on one system would put too big a load on bandwidthN > limits for a single volunteer. However, I suspect many of us have some spareM > bandwidth and between all of us, wouldn't that be sufficicent to be able top > provide condist on-line ?   D Well, there's always peer-to-peer networks; weren't they pretty muchG designed for that precise feature; sharing of files and bandwidth.  TheiB unquestionable fact is that they were built by evil eTerrorists toI smash democrazy and free trade and all such terrific things.  Personally,) this doesn't bother me much.  G I don't think VMS ports of the software exist, so some people might optbC not to use such a setup.  I don't know how the VMS users feel, thisE might not catch on.p   .mace --- snxKS=   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:00 +0000 (UTC)S From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch? ) Message-ID: <bn5nvg$riv$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>-  q In article <bn4nh7$tk62p$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> writes:R  >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:Y >> In article <3F956B29.84D24775@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:> >> e >>>Didier Morandi wrote: >>>o >>>>What is DMZ? >>>eO >>>In a NAT router, you specify to which host in your intranet a call to port XON >>>gets directed. The "DMZ" (is that just a consumer buzzword, or is that usedO >>>for serious routers as well ?) is essentially the specification of a default11 >>>host to which all other calls get directed.   F >>>O >> EM >> Home NAT router providers may be misusing the term DMZ in that manner but  N >> for serious commercial firewall/router manufacturers it definitely does not >> have that meaning.MO >> The DMZ is a DeMilitarized Zone - ie an area connected to the firewall which I >> can contain multiple systems. It is definitely not a NAT default host.  >> " >> 0
 >> David WebbI >> VMS and Unix team leaderd >> CCSSr >> Middlesex University- >-E >Well, we are talking about a home setup here taking it from Didiers eF >original question, and yes I think most people here are aware of the F >differences of a commercial grade and a home DSL router for 50 bucks I >solution. Still in both cases the system in the DMZ are in front of the  ' >"firewall" before your "core" network.  >t I was responding to the    " =  The "DMZ" (is that just a consumer buzzword, or is that used M  for serious routers as well ?) is essentially the specification of a default .  host to which all other calls get directed.     "r  D Which specifically asked whether the term DMZ as a "specification of7 a default host" was used that way in "serious routers".   M If they are really in front of the firewall then they are NOT in a DMZ - they0N are directly connected to the internet. By definition a DMZ is behind at least6 one firewall interface it is protected to some extent.K I haven't looked at home DSL routers with NAT but I would suspect that most.M which talk of NAT default hosts and DMZ are really saying that such a defaultoK host should be placed in a DMZ. Since by accepting incoming NAT connectionseM which have not been explicitly mapped it is obviously less protected then theoM other systems and therefore should not be directly connected to such systems.   M If the router provides access control lists or other firewall functions then eM it may well provide a third interface to which such a default NAT host could u be connected ie a DMZ.  M If on the other hand they really do refer to a NAT default host as a DMZ thenm they are misusing that term.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       G >As for dynamic DNS providers check www.no-ip.com and www.dyndns.org, IhG >personally am a happy camper with no-ip but know of many other people MG >who are satisfied with dyndns, I really do not want to start a "My xxx / >is better than your yyy" discussion over this.O >n >Greetings, Martin >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:41:28 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>" Subject: statistics on DEC and CPQ4 Message-ID: <3f967afb$0$10405$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  0 How many people at DEC and CPQ before the merge?( Roughly, I would say 60,000 and 6,000...    And when Ken Olsen left? 90,000?   Tx.- D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:49:19 -0400i& From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>. Subject: We buy Alpha  - URGENT - DS10 systems/ Message-ID: <vpcvb93l3si666@news.supernews.com>p  $ We are in need of Alpha DS10 Systems  B Swapping or paying top dollar for these (with or without licenses)   We swap as follows:W    G You provide 1 x DS10 (any speed), we provide 2 x DS10L 617 EV67 with nof memory or CDROMi* The DS10 must have CDROM and Floppy cages.   Or   You providea  3 3 x DS10 and we can swap for an ES40 Model 1 Systeme, (2 x DS10 memory kits = 1 x ES40 memory kit) System includes:
 500Mhz CPU CDROM Floppy Dual Seriald USB  Rackmount or Pedestal Kit/   Call fax or email us   --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180o Savannah GA 31404a Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402d Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.neti   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:24:53 +0200E" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>2 Subject: Re: We buy Alpha  - URGENT - DS10 systems4 Message-ID: <3f96a147$0$10434$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  . Hey Dave, you are slowly moving to SPAMland...   D.  
 Island wrote:-& > We are in need of Alpha DS10 Systems > D > Swapping or paying top dollar for these (with or without licenses) >  > We swap as follows:C >  > I > You provide 1 x DS10 (any speed), we provide 2 x DS10L 617 EV67 with noc > memory or CDROM5, > The DS10 must have CDROM and Floppy cages. >  > Or > 
 > You providep > 5 > 3 x DS10 and we can swap for an ES40 Model 1 Systemp. > (2 x DS10 memory kits = 1 x ES40 memory kit) > System includes: > 500Mhz CPU > CDROM Floppy
 > Dual Serial  > USBt > Rackmount or Pedestal Kitr >  > Call fax or email us   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:52:02 -0400-& From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>+ Subject: We need your XP1000 667Mhz Systemsc/ Message-ID: <vpcvga8vcdd5e1@news.supernews.com>s  L Please call fax or email if you have XP1000 667Mhz Systems for sale or trade   Thanks all!i   -- n David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation0 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180. Savannah GA 31404w Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net0   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2003 07:05:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i! Subject: Re: What is ACME_SERVER?t3 Message-ID: <4lJnnTbwm7Fr@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  V In article <3F956EC5.148C7950@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:L >>    More like non-ACM LOGINOUT will be _supported_ at least until HP stopsM >>    _support_ on VAX VMS.  Which is likely to be quite some time after they:I >>    stop development on VAX VMS.  Which is not even on the horizon yet.@ > M > I wouldn't bet my life on this. Consider that right now, development on VAXgP > consists more and more of only ensuring interoperability with Alphas. We don't > get many new features on VAX.o  :    VMS is the only OS I would consider betting my life on.  ?    In the meantime HP is working on 8.2 for VAXen, which is thev$    opposite of stopping development.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:33:10 GMTs5 From: Matthew Doremus <Matthew.Doremus@hp.com.NoSpam>S7 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT]  CSWS_PHP V1.2 is now availableh, Message-ID: <3F96A335.9080209@hp.com.NoSpam>  L The CSWS_PHP V1.2 kit, based on PHP 4.3.2, is now available for download at:  *     http://www.hp.com/products/openvms/php  F This kit provides the MySQL client extension as well as a new OpenVMS F extension which provides several APIs for system, process, and device I information.  Also provided are Apache modules for CSWS V1.3 & CSWS V2.0   (shipping soon).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.586 ************************