1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 27 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 595       Contents:& 200 EPRT command successful. ??? (FTP), Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva??, Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? Re: Mozilla 1.5 for OpenVMS? Re: Mozilla 1.5 for OpenVMS?2 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 Re: Time server protocole?< Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloria; Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix (perl VMS VAR SEQ file reader). . Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:52:13 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>/ Subject: 200 EPRT command successful. ??? (FTP) 4 Message-ID: <3f9c25ee$0$10417$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  G Someone could tell me what an EPRT command is, and why it took 60 full  F seconds to finally get my directory listing via FTP from my iMac (OSX C 10.2/console/ftp)? It is instantaneous with FETCH or from my PC/XP.    [imac:~] dmorandi% ftp ftp> open blagnac.dyndns.org  Connected to blagnac.dyndns.org.- 220 dtl02.dtl FTP Server (Version 5.1) Ready. - Name (blagnac.dyndns.org:dmorandi): anonymous + 331 Guest login OK, send ident as password. 	 Password: . 230 Guest login OK, access restrictions apply. Remote system type is VMS. ftp> dir. 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||51090|) *** 60 seconds *** 200 EPRT command successful.8 150 Opening data connection for DKA100:[ANONYMOUS]*.*;*  (213.41.147.137,50209)   Directory DKA100:[ANONYMOUS]   031025220334P.DIR;1 <                           1/9          25-OCT-2003 22:03:34 & [ANONY,ANONYMOUS]      (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) 031026135909P.DIR;1 <                           1/9          26-OCT-2003 13:58:07 & [ANONY,ANONYMOUS]      (RWE,RWE,RE,RE); NETSERVER.LOG;1          2/9          24-OCT-2003 18:04:22  $ [ANONY,ANONYMOUS]      (RWED,RWED,,) TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG;20 <                           1/9          26-OCT-2003 20:37:56 " [ANONY,ANONYMOUS]      (RWE,RWE,,) ../..  TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG;1<                           1/9          23-OCT-2003 16:10:50 " [ANONY,ANONYMOUS]      (RWE,RWE,,); WASD.DIR;1               4/9          16-OCT-2003 09:31:04  $ [ANONY,ANONYMOUS]      (RE,RE,RE,RE); WASD_SSL.DIR;1           3/9          16-OCT-2003 09:31:25  $ [ANONY,ANONYMOUS]      (RE,RE,RE,RE)    Total of 25 files, 31/225 blocks% 226 LIST Directory transfer complete.  ftp>   Thanks.  D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:05:59 +0100 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? 7 Message-ID: <3F9C0D07.49A2@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    John Smith wrote:  >  > Michiel Erens wrote:E > > This reminds me (and I don't believe that it is already mentioned G > > here), that after the Dutch Technical Update days last month, there F > > was a half page article on OpenVMS in Computable magazine. PostingD > > it here is not useful (it is in Dutch), but maybe Sue can give a8 > > summary because she's mentioned five times in it :-) > F > That's good news....a reporter who writes and reports as opposed to ! > just publishing press releases.  > E > Try running the Dutch original through www.systransoft.com and see  F > how it translates to English or French and if it is ok, please post 
 > it here.  ! The original article is now at :  8  http://www.computable.nl/artikels/archief3/d40jb3ut.htm  @ The systransoft translation is a lttle laughable but I made some< corrections and it should be understandable now for English  speakers :    = ---------------------- start translation --------------------  by Jasper Bakker     HP do platform promise gestand* Itanium-implementation open VMS approaches   H Hewlett-Packard work hard for transferring its operating system open VMS< to 64-bit Itanium-processoren of Intel. Open Vms-founder andA developer Andy Goldstein hopes to release the operating software  . beginning next year on both Alpha and Itanium.   G Goldstein, according to his businesscard ' consulant and museumpiece ', = say that version 8.0 already in beta-stadium find oneself. He B values that VMS 8.1 still end end up this year.  "that version is D for the 'early users'. Beginning 2004 comes we with version 8.2 thatC then runs on Alpha - and Itanium-processoren. In between there will : be two open Vms-uitvoeringen; current 7.x-series for AlphaD and early 8-series for Itanium. Goldstein emphasise that there will  come no separate branch.5 In February this year HP let know already that to be  G open Vms-operating system had engineers running on Itanium-processoren. 5 In the long run wants HP a general hardware platform, C according to the expectations a descendant of the current superdome ; server, on which it can run then several operating systems.     Applications: HP fence now with 220 partners who want transfer their 480C applications to Itanium-uitvoering of open VMS. Program manager Sue < Skonetski emphasises that these are none small-scale, light 
 applications. D She also refers to a report concerning clustering of research office7 Illuminata. In this open VMS come as bests, compared to A among others IBM's Unix-variant AIX and Sun Microsystems Solaris. 8 On Hp-usergroup meeting the year earlier this in the RAIC demonstrated already a grouped server with Itanium to the company - A and Alpha-processoren.  "the machine was just that morning ready, @ really a last minute-demo", laughs Skonetski. In a laboratory atB Ottowa (VS) Itanium-Alpha-VAX-cluster it has been combined set up.> "but such a configuration is not supported", reminds they. The@ usefulness of such a machine would be according to Skonetski and" Goldstein, as it happens, limited.    Spare parts ( "the spare parts for Vax-machines becomeB now sparingly", thus Skonetski. Toch she emphasises that customersE must change just when they are ready to that. Already open Vms-users  5 have been approached by competitive server suppliers  ? concerning migration to Unix-variant. HP wimpelt that gone; the B advantages of open VMS would remain onovertrefbaar and that, also  on Itanium-platform.@ According to Skonetski the old Dec-operating system has been not6 only used for the core of the data centre. Also modernC applications for electronic trade run on open VMS. Open Vms-website D runs on  it. We have therefore had no trouble of the several walkingA wormplagen, and the response times of the site remained high. She 7 notices that European open Vms-users are in front with  . E-businesstoepassingen with the United States.@ Moreover HP start now an education - and training initiative VMSA spread. For this it cooperates among others with formateur Global @ Knowledge and zoekt the contact with universities to offer their< software and hardware. HP expect also aid of universities at0 transferring open broncode software to open VMS.   J http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/index.html  ; ---------------------- end translation --------------------    --   ME   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:28:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Any VMS at ITU Telecom World in Geneva?? J Message-ID: <Nw_mb.70506$3f.55071@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Michiel Erens wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >> >> Michiel Erens wrote: E >>> This reminds me (and I don't believe that it is already mentioned G >>> here), that after the Dutch Technical Update days last month, there F >>> was a half page article on OpenVMS in Computable magazine. PostingD >>> it here is not useful (it is in Dutch), but maybe Sue can give a8 >>> summary because she's mentioned five times in it :-) >>F >> That's good news....a reporter who writes and reports as opposed to" >> just publishing press releases. >>E >> Try running the Dutch original through www.systransoft.com and see F >> how it translates to English or French and if it is ok, please post >> it here.  > " > The original article is now at :: >  http://www.computable.nl/artikels/archief3/d40jb3ut.htm > B > The systransoft translation is a lttle laughable but I made some= > corrections and it should be understandable now for English  > speakers : > ? > ---------------------- start translation --------------------  > by Jasper Bakker >   > HP do platform promise gestand, > Itanium-implementation open VMS approaches > F > Hewlett-Packard work hard for transferring its operating system openB > VMS to 64-bit Itanium-processoren of Intel. Open Vms-founder andB > developer Andy Goldstein hopes to release the operating software0 > beginning next year on both Alpha and Itanium. > F > Goldstein, according to his businesscard ' consulant and museumpieceB > ', say that version 8.0 already in beta-stadium find oneself. HeC > values that VMS 8.1 still end end up this year.  "that version is F > for the 'early users'. Beginning 2004 comes we with version 8.2 thatE > then runs on Alpha - and Itanium-processoren. In between there will < > be two open Vms-uitvoeringen; current 7.x-series for AlphaE > and early 8-series for Itanium. Goldstein emphasise that there will  > come no separate branch.6 > In February this year HP let know already that to be4 > open Vms-operating system had engineers running onB > Itanium-processoren. In the long run wants HP a general hardware > platform, E > according to the expectations a descendant of the current superdome = > server, on which it can run then several operating systems.  >  > Applications< > HP fence now with 220 partners who want transfer their 480E > applications to Itanium-uitvoering of open VMS. Program manager Sue = > Skonetski emphasises that these are none small-scale, light  > applications. F > She also refers to a report concerning clustering of research office9 > Illuminata. In this open VMS come as bests, compared to C > among others IBM's Unix-variant AIX and Sun Microsystems Solaris. : > On Hp-usergroup meeting the year earlier this in the RAIE > demonstrated already a grouped server with Itanium to the company - C > and Alpha-processoren.  "the machine was just that morning ready, B > really a last minute-demo", laughs Skonetski. In a laboratory atD > Ottowa (VS) Itanium-Alpha-VAX-cluster it has been combined set up.@ > "but such a configuration is not supported", reminds they. TheB > usefulness of such a machine would be according to Skonetski and$ > Goldstein, as it happens, limited. > 
 > Spare parts * > "the spare parts for Vax-machines becomeD > now sparingly", thus Skonetski. Toch she emphasises that customersF > must change just when they are ready to that. Already open Vms-users6 > have been approached by competitive server suppliersA > concerning migration to Unix-variant. HP wimpelt that gone; the C > advantages of open VMS would remain onovertrefbaar and that, also  > on Itanium-platform.B > According to Skonetski the old Dec-operating system has been not8 > only used for the core of the data centre. Also modernE > applications for electronic trade run on open VMS. Open Vms-website F > runs on  it. We have therefore had no trouble of the several walkingC > wormplagen, and the response times of the site remained high. She 8 > notices that European open Vms-users are in front with0 > E-businesstoepassingen with the United States.B > Moreover HP start now an education - and training initiative VMSC > spread. For this it cooperates among others with formateur Global B > Knowledge and zoekt the contact with universities to offer their> > software and hardware. HP expect also aid of universities at2 > transferring open broncode software to open VMS. > L > http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/index.html > = > ---------------------- end translation --------------------      Thanks for posting this.  K "HP expect also aid of universities at  transferring open broncode software 
 to open VMS."   J So it appears HP is still flogging this dead horse - if it wasn't dead I'dH expect it to be a major VMS announcement. On the other hand, maybe it isH going full steam ahead with universities that are too embarrased to note their participation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:15:22 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>% Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.5 for OpenVMS? 2 Message-ID: <bnh33f$fmt$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   B.Eckstein wrote: E > 11 days ago, Mozilla 1.5 has been released and there is no 1.5 for  J > OpenVMS. Looks overdue for me. Does anybody know about the next release? >  > Thanx. > P I can't go in to details (so please don't ask), but I suspect it may be a while  before we see it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:30:45 +0100  From: "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de> % Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.5 for OpenVMS? - Message-ID: <bnie2l$ika$1@swifty.westend.com>   + Dirk Munk schrub im Jahre 26.10.2003 19:15:    > B.Eckstein wrote: F >> 11 days ago, Mozilla 1.5 has been released and there is no 1.5 for K >> OpenVMS. Looks overdue for me. Does anybody know about the next release?  >>  	 >> Thanx.  >>  R > I can't go in to details (so please don't ask), but I suspect it may be a while  > before we see it.   5 Sounds not good but I don't ask. Thanks for the info.    --  G B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de         Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of them 9 Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchn G Mozilla-Tips: http://mozilla-anleitung.de/ http://www.holgermetzger.de/   D "Auch wenn ich die Funktionsweise dieser Konsole nicht kenne, glaube# ich nicht, dass sie rauchen sollte"    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:07:30 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 0 Message-ID: <3F9C61C2.5F8FAD2D@sture.homeip.net>  ! VAX devotee (yeah, I know) wrote:  > L > It'll be really interesting to see exactly what Mr. Harrison chooses to do > with his life...  G I would also find it interesting if you could string an English sentnce 	 together.   1 Things like grammar and splilling coom too meind.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:57:13 -0500 : From: "VAX devotee \(yeah, I know\)" <ask.here@reply.here>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 8 Message-ID: <wP%mb.1224$Nz5.71951@news20.bellglobal.com>  % Thnks fr yr cmmnts.  (dmn spll chck!)     7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message * news:3F9C61C2.5F8FAD2D@sture.homeip.net...# > VAX devotee (yeah, I know) wrote:  > > K > > It'll be really interesting to see exactly what Mr. Harrison chooses to  do > > with his life... > I > I would also find it interesting if you could string an English sentnce  > together.  > 3 > Things like grammar and splilling coom too meind.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2003 17:07 CST . From: carl@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)# Subject: Re: Time server protocole? 4 Message-ID: <26OCT200317070734@nospam.gerg.tamu.edu>  & Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes...K }Well, seems that it's going fine now. After the first synch, I get hourly   }updates without errors: } 4 }DTL02> ty SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG' }24 Oct 14:39:55  ntpd version = 3-5.91 O }24 Oct 14:39:55  tickadj = 97, tick = 976, tvu_maxslew = 99231, est. hz = 1024 & }24 Oct 14:39:55  precision = 976 usecQ }24 Oct 14:39:55  drift file 'SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP.DRIFT' does not e   }xist: no such file or directory3 }24 Oct 14:39:55  will attempt to create drift file N }24 Oct 14:39:55  read drift of 0 from SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP.DRIFT; }24 Oct 14:44:48  synchronized to 145.238.110.68, stratum=2 1 }24 Oct 14:44:49  time reset (slew) 90.183853 sec & }24 Oct 14:44:49  synchronization lostL }24 Oct 14:44:51  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.008198 secL }24 Oct 14:44:52  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003611 secL }24 Oct 14:44:53  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 secL }24 Oct 14:44:54  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003318 secL }24 Oct 14:44:55  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 secL }24 Oct 14:44:56  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 secL }24 Oct 14:44:57  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003318 secL }24 Oct 14:44:58  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 secL }24 Oct 14:44:58  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.094476 secL }24 Oct 14:44:59  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003220 secL }24 Oct 14:45:00  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003416 secL }24 Oct 14:45:01  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 secL }24 Oct 14:45:02  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003416 secL }24 Oct 14:45:03  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003416 secL }24 Oct 14:45:04  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 secL }24 Oct 14:45:05  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003416 secL }24 Oct 14:45:06  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 secL }24 Oct 14:45:08  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003416 secL }24 Oct 14:45:09  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003416 secL }24 Oct 14:45:10  Previous time adjustment incomplete; residual 0.003513 sec; }24 Oct 14:50:09  synchronized to 145.238.110.68, stratum=2  [...]   I Ah. When you said you had deleted "many" records, I was thinking hundreds J or thousands, rather than a little over a dozen - the ones you left beforeF trimming it were once per second and I thought it was continuing to do: something along those lines for as long as you let it run.  F Apparently it is just a tad verbose when getting the initial synch. ItJ may also do this any time the adjustment is large, which should not happenF very often. (90 seconds is a rather long adjustment to slew - normally$ adjustments that large are stepped.)   This doesn't seem bad at all.   " }Interesting new technical area... }D.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:04:38 -0600 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>E Subject: Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloria 2 Message-ID: <25Odnc4MX_W4_QGiXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>  7 > Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:  >  > E >>Since I did not see this problem on another Alpha with an ATI video E >>card, I tried switching to an ATI Mach64 video card and the problem C >>went away completely!  Just to complete the test, I also tried an ? >>Elsa Gloria Synergy II card and it also worked perfectly.  No C >>ringing, even with a cheap cable or going through the KVM switch.  >  > C >>What is it about the PBXGA/ZLXp-E2 card that causes this ringing, / >>that is not present with the other two cards?  > F   The ZLXp-E2 card (maybe others in the series) reportedly originally F came with a monitor cable that grounded one of the three color signal F grounds, or was used with a monitor that performed the same function. F If you scope the card, I believe two of the three color signal ground I wires (red and blue if I recall correctly) are grounded, while the third   (green?) ground is floating.  G My AS200 is running and I can't take it apart right now, but it has an  E -E2 card in it that I modified; I soldered a wire-wrap wire from the  G floating (green?) signal ground to 'another' ground on the backside of  G the card, where the HD15 connector was attached.  I no longer have the  I reference, and I really can't take the system down to check, sorry.  But  F that cleaned up the fringing and gave me a rock solid display on just ) about any monitor I cared to try it with.    Rich Jordan   H All disclaimers apply; if your system poofs its magic smoke, its not my  fault...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:24:05 -0500 $ From: Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com>D Subject: Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix (perl VMS VAR SEQ file reader).. Message-ID: <3F9C81C5.E01EEC16@eps.zk.dec.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:  B > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:30:02 UTC, jjnojack@yahoo.com (JJ) wrote: >  > > Hi All,  > > I > > I have about 25 gig worth of data that I need to put on a tape from a > > > vms system that is readable and useable on an unix system.  A > If this 'text' _is_ text then maybe ZIP might help overcome the C > problem of converting RMS counted string records to LF terminated 
 > records.  K fwiw... if you ever 'accidently' (ftp binary mode) end up with a VMS native L file on NT or Unix, then you can try the script below to 'convert' to native text.   6 (Or you can push it back to VMS and re-transfer ascii)   Cheers,  Hein.    binmode STDIN; # read next length word # while (read STDIN,$length_word,2) { + # avoid using "S" or "V". just do the math. /   ($length,$null) = unpack ("CC",$length_word);    $length += $null*256;    last if ($length > 32767); # read the data #   $read = read STDIN,$line,$length;    print "$line\n"; # word allign if need be&   read STDIN,$null,1 if ($length & 1); }    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2003 06:48:46 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>7 Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems? 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EVeupdliPyLZ@localhost>   E On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:05 UTC, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:    Didier  D                I sent you an email, Spam Arrest asked me to visit a F webpage to confirm, I've done that so you should get my response now. D I've not clicked anything, that I'm aware of. 'cos I'm not 'signing ? in' for anything like that without a chance to work out what's  
 happening.   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.595 ************************