1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 28 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 598       Contents:. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. RE: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. RE: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer$ Campus and Pathworks/Advanced Server( RE: Campus and Pathworks/Advanced Server( RE: Campus and Pathworks/Advanced ServerE Can not see raid devices (was Re: Who can help me about this trouble) . Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch Re: fiber channel... need help Re: FTP From a Program Re: FTP From a Program$ Re: How are the sales of VMS going ?1 Re: LMF licence check has failed. Please help :-) 1 Re: LMF licence check has failed. Please help :-) 2 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5003 Re: OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps (23-Oct-2003) and DCPS 3 Re: OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps (23-Oct-2003) and DCPS 3 Re: OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps (23-Oct-2003) and DCPS  Re: Product problem K Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories K Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories & Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?; Re: swishesi -  no results (malformed header error message)  Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix  Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix  RE: VMS Text Files --> Unix  Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix  Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix . Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?. Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?. Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?. RE: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?. Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?. RE: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?. Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 09:09:05 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer + Message-ID: <3f9e2421@news.uni-konstanz.de>   I In article <bnkfmm$6eb$1@inky.its.caltech.edu>, YYYlmhYYY@cco.caltech.edu  writes: @ > We have a couple of old VAXStations running VMS 5.5.  Our 8mm I >Exabyte doesn't work after being 'repaired'.  Is it possible to back up  J >files by ftp'ing them (thru a Unix machine) to a PC and writing them on a >>CD ?K > I have tried ftp'ing several files (text, .obj, .exe, and .sav). It looks I >>like I can make two sets of files, one transferred in ASCII and one in  J >binary, and then get back usable files (rather than trying to sort files F >by type).  However the .sav file would not work (either at default or	 >minimum  E >2048 block size) and neither did the .obj file.  [Files transferred  J >binarily come back with fixed 512 byte length records - this did not seemB >>to affect the .exe file; text files sent in ASCII mode seem ok.]$ > Is there a better way to do this ?6 > What other files may not be backed up successfully ? > J > [And along the same line, how can I attach a VAX system disk to a PC andK >>copy the data to the PC for simh ? I used a raw copy routine for the PC I K >>found on the web but got a file structure error when I tried to boot from  >the   >subsequent disk file.]    >  >thanks  >larry henling >  >    Larry,  ' I think you must define your aim first.    Do you want to backup on a CD?  ' Do you want to move to a VAX-emulation?   ! Do you want to read file on a PC?   ) All questions lead to specific solutions.    Eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:53:18 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: RE: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEHPIFAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- C >From: lmh@inky.its.caltech.edu [mailto:lmh@inky.its.caltech.edu]On $ >Behalf Of YYYlmhYYY@cco.caltech.edu' >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:11 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >Subject: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer >  > ? > We have a couple of old VAXStations running VMS 5.5.  Our 8mm H >Exabyte doesn't work after being 'repaired'.  Is it possible to back upJ >files by ftp'ing them (thru a Unix machine) to a PC and writing them on a >CD ? K > I have tried ftp'ing several files (text, .obj, .exe, and .sav). It looks G >like I can make two sets of files, one transferred in ASCII and one in I >binary, and then get back usable files (rather than trying to sort files C >by type).  However the .sav file would not work (either at default  >or minimum D >2048 block size) and neither did the .obj file.  [Files transferredJ >binarily come back with fixed 512 byte length records - this did not seemA >to affect the .exe file; text files sent in ASCII mode seem ok.] $ > Is there a better way to do this ?6 > What other files may not be backed up successfully ? > J > [And along the same line, how can I attach a VAX system disk to a PC andJ >copy the data to the PC for simh ? I used a raw copy routine for the PC I@ >found on the web but got a file structure error when I tried to >boot from the >subsequent disk file.]   @ If you have access to a unix box use 'dd' to copy the raw device   >  >thanks  >larry henling >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:14:00 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer ' Message-ID: <3F9E87B8.1090702@MMaz.com>     YYYlmhYYY@cco.caltech.edu wrote:  @ > We have a couple of old VAXStations running VMS 5.5.  Our 8mm I >Exabyte doesn't work after being 'repaired'.  Is it possible to back up  K >files by ftp'ing them (thru a Unix machine) to a PC and writing them on a   >CD ? L > I have tried ftp'ing several files (text, .obj, .exe, and .sav). It looks H >like I can make two sets of files, one transferred in ASCII and one in J >binary, and then get back usable files (rather than trying to sort files  >by type).   > F What I'd do is use ZIP with the "-V" qualifier to retain the VMS file D attributes and you can even go as far as zipping an entire tree and I therefore retail the directory structure.  Once zipped, you can then ftp    and burn with minimal worries...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 16:24:38 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 7 Subject: RE: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer - Message-ID: <3f9e8a36$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   F In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEHPIFAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >  >  >>-----Original Message-----D >>From: lmh@inky.its.caltech.edu [mailto:lmh@inky.its.caltech.edu]On   	 .........    > A >If you have access to a unix box use 'dd' to copy the raw device    Or under OpenVMS:    $ mount/for <device>" $ copy <device> disk:[dir]file.dsk   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:32:05 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer 8 Message-ID: <8q2tpv4u19grbn95nt74hc9139116c1i6c@4ax.com>  I On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:14:00 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  wrote:  ! >YYYlmhYYY@cco.caltech.edu wrote:  > A >> We have a couple of old VAXStations running VMS 5.5.  Our 8mm  J >>Exabyte doesn't work after being 'repaired'.  Is it possible to back up L >>files by ftp'ing them (thru a Unix machine) to a PC and writing them on a  >>CD ?M >> I have tried ftp'ing several files (text, .obj, .exe, and .sav). It looks  I >>like I can make two sets of files, one transferred in ASCII and one in  K >>binary, and then get back usable files (rather than trying to sort files  
 >>by type).    >>G >What I'd do is use ZIP with the "-V" qualifier to retain the VMS file  E >attributes and you can even go as far as zipping an entire tree and  J >therefore retail the directory structure.  Once zipped, you can then ftp ! >and burn with minimal worries...   I There's a lot to be said for creating a backup save-set if the files will K ultimately be restored on a VMS system, then zip that.  It's easy to fix up I any broken attributes on a single file, and it itself contains redundancy ) blocks to cover possible data corruption.    --   John Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:52:26 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer ' Message-ID: <3F9EACDA.3070507@MMaz.com>    John Laird wrote:   J >On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:14:00 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> >wrote:  >  >    > " >>YYYlmhYYY@cco.caltech.edu wrote: >> >>     >>A >>>We have a couple of old VAXStations running VMS 5.5.  Our 8mm  K >>>Exabyte doesn't work after being 'repaired'.  Is it possible to back up  M >>>files by ftp'ing them (thru a Unix machine) to a PC and writing them on a   >>>CD ? M >>>I have tried ftp'ing several files (text, .obj, .exe, and .sav). It looks  J >>>like I can make two sets of files, one transferred in ASCII and one in L >>>binary, and then get back usable files (rather than trying to sort files  >>>by type).   >>> 	 >>>        >>> H >>What I'd do is use ZIP with the "-V" qualifier to retain the VMS file F >>attributes and you can even go as far as zipping an entire tree and K >>therefore retail the directory structure.  Once zipped, you can then ftp  " >>and burn with minimal worries... >>     >> > J >There's a lot to be said for creating a backup save-set if the files willL >ultimately be restored on a VMS system, then zip that.  It's easy to fix upJ >any broken attributes on a single file, and it itself contains redundancy* >blocks to cover possible data corruption. >  >    > C Since he stated the destination was a PC for burning, IMHO the ZIP  H solution was the most 'portable' to assure that later PC / Unix systems E could read it and yet, if it did ever return to a VMS system, it too  D could be recovered, without corruption or loss of file attributes...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 10:08:25 -0800. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer < Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0310281008.85adf6e@posting.google.com>  m John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<8q2tpv4u19grbn95nt74hc9139116c1i6c@4ax.com>... K > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:14:00 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  > wrote: > # > >YYYlmhYYY@cco.caltech.edu wrote:  > > C > >> We have a couple of old VAXStations running VMS 5.5.  Our 8mm  L > >>Exabyte doesn't work after being 'repaired'.  Is it possible to back up N > >>files by ftp'ing them (thru a Unix machine) to a PC and writing them on a  > >>CD ?O > >> I have tried ftp'ing several files (text, .obj, .exe, and .sav). It looks  K > >>like I can make two sets of files, one transferred in ASCII and one in  M > >>binary, and then get back usable files (rather than trying to sort files   > >>by type).    > >>I > >What I'd do is use ZIP with the "-V" qualifier to retain the VMS file  G > >attributes and you can even go as far as zipping an entire tree and  L > >therefore retail the directory structure.  Once zipped, you can then ftp # > >and burn with minimal worries...  > K > There's a lot to be said for creating a backup save-set if the files will M > ultimately be restored on a VMS system, then zip that.  It's easy to fix up K > any broken attributes on a single file, and it itself contains redundancy + > blocks to cover possible data corruption.   F About your 8mm, I used to have a couple as part of a MTI setup hanging, off of a VAX 8530 and later a VAX 4000/700a.  B I recall that the Exabyte 8mm drives were QUITE particular- only a- very few firmware revs would work with VMS...   @ Perhaps the repair shop upgraded your firmware to the latest andC greatest as part of the overhaul process and accidentally broke VMS  compatibility?   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 08:29:48 -0800( From: system@meng.ucl.ac.uk (Mark Iline)- Subject: Campus and Pathworks/Advanced Server = Message-ID: <e3fef766.0310280829.465b91f6@posting.google.com>   # About 3 months back, I posted that:   D ///After much pursuit via our excellent reseller, a Pathworks Client Access> Licence has appeared on the June 2003 DECcampus CDs in the UK.  D The PAK is PWLMXXXCA07.03 , and is just like the temporary PAKs we'd been? using, except that whereas these had 3500 units (350 clients, I 	 believe), E the campus one has zero units. (Actually, the campus one  also had an : obvious typo in its name, but fixing that allowed it to be registered).   [...]   D However, Pathworks 6.0 treats the Campus PAK as having no units, and9 allowing zero clients. This is not particularly useful...  ///   > The good news for anyone interested is that the September 2003E DECcampus CDs have the correct PAK on them, with 35000 units (typo in  above), that works fine.  B Many thanks to Gary Styles at Prolinx for a lot of work in sorting this out for us.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:22:58 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 1 Subject: RE: Campus and Pathworks/Advanced Server 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEICIFAA.tom@kednos.com>   & I thought 0 units meant unlimited use.   >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Mark Iline [mailto:system@meng.ucl.ac.uk]( >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:30 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. >Subject: Campus and Pathworks/Advanced Server >  > $ >About 3 months back, I posted that: > E >///After much pursuit via our excellent reseller, a Pathworks Client  >Access ? >Licence has appeared on the June 2003 DECcampus CDs in the UK.  > E >The PAK is PWLMXXXCA07.03 , and is just like the temporary PAKs we'd  >been @ >using, except that whereas these had 3500 units (350 clients, I
 >believe),F >the campus one has zero units. (Actually, the campus one  also had an; >obvious typo in its name, but fixing that allowed it to be 
 >registered).  >  >[...] > E >However, Pathworks 6.0 treats the Campus PAK as having no units, and : >allowing zero clients. This is not particularly useful... >/// > ? >The good news for anyone interested is that the September 2003 F >DECcampus CDs have the correct PAK on them, with 35000 units (typo in >above), that works fine.  > C >Many thanks to Gary Styles at Prolinx for a lot of work in sorting  >this out for us.  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 11:31:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: RE: Campus and Pathworks/Advanced Server 3 Message-ID: <iDa3TijLeGmO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEICIFAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   ( > I thought 0 units meant unlimited use.  I It does for ordinary LMF use, but Pathworks PAKs are not exactly ordinary  LMF use.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:37:40 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>N Subject: Can not see raid devices (was Re: Who can help me about this trouble): Message-ID: <bnm60l$134jnt$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Fred Jiang wrote: 
 > Friends, > ; > I configure the raid disks on the vms console (alpha box)  and it shows> > successfull. When I boot  the box, Console message shows the scan the; > disks and I see the new configured disks. But I can't see 
 disks when: > VMS 7.2-1 up using "$show device d". Normally, I can see draxxx: but < > now nothing on it. Anybody know it, Please help me. Thanks in advance.   < Maybe you can post some more information to give us a start;     Alpha model?     What raid hardware?      What SCSI device?       SHOW DEVICE from the console     SHOW DEVICE D from VMS<     Any other clues you might have (did you have other disks: here before that were not raid? Did make any other changes> other than creating the raid? Do you have anything else on the* SCSI line that you should see but do not?)   --  Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:50:46 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch 8 Message-ID: <eratpvkm22ro2ri72806tuv2ogln2g9clk@4ax.com>  K On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:45:32 -0500, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:   N >I reviewed the code in UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to try to answer this question, and" >came up with something like this: > ? >$ SUBMIT SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP /AFTER=26-OCT-2003:02:00 -   >	/PARAMETER=("","TDF","-300",0)  P To be complete in my response, I will show you the entire set of code I ran fromG SYSMAN on the Alpha V7.3-1 system -- and which did not make any change:   - $       say "Current TDF Information follows" ( $       @sys$manager:utc$time_setup show> $       @sys$manager:utc$time_setup "" tdf 'new_tdf_minutes' 0J $       if f$trnlnm("SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE","LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE",,"executive") -B             .nes. "" then $ deassign/system/exec sys$timezone_rule$ $       @sys$startup:tdf$utc_startup- $       say "Updated TDF Information follows" ( $       @sys$manager:utc$time_setup show  E I "deduced" this code from examination of UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM and also P DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM. Here is the output I got when executed as a procedure from SYSMAN:   2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node xxxxxx# TDF will be adjusted by -60 minutes  Current TDF Information follows 2     Configuring the Time Differential Factor (TDF) Updated TDF Information follows   H Notice that the two messages I generated were output, and a message fromP (apparently) the second call to UTC$TIME_SETUP. However, when I logged on SundayL morning the TDF was still -14400 (EDT). I executed (copy and paste) the sameL lines interactively and they worked as expected. Still looking to understand this... I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:45:32 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch 8 Message-ID: <saatpvsncifud61vm3ij3l968ffv2aejbe@4ax.com>  3 On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:55:42 -0800, Rick Millhollin - <rickm.REMOVE-THIS-NOSPAM@uoregon.edu> wrote:   @ >I'm running VMS 7.3-1 and MultiNet 4.4 on several clustered andC >stand-alone systems.  In the past with 7.3 I've been able to run a F >batch job that adjusts the time via a combination of MultiNet actionsD >and executing UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM with no interactive input.  NowB >with 7.3-1 that tells me to run UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM which has beenD >discussed here.  But it appears to require interaction.  Any way to( >change from a batch job now?  Thanks...  M I reviewed the code in UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to try to answer this question, and ! came up with something like this:   > $ SUBMIT SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP /AFTER=26-OCT-2003:02:00 - 	/PARAMETER=("","TDF","-300",0)   O This does seem to work, and resets (only) the SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL logical O name to (in this example) -300 minutes or -18000 (for EST). The P4 = 0 disables  changing of the system clock.   J Unfortunately, I tried to make the equivalent call executing from "within"P SYSMAN, via SYSMAN DO @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP ... and this did not work -- IM have not yet figured out why. I assume that something is done inside the .COM N file which (for some reason) does not work within SYSMAN DO context. I have to% figure it out in the next 6 months... I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:58:48 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> ' Subject: Re: fiber channel... need help > Message-ID: <cKtnb.132912$qj6.9360517@news1.news.adelphia.net>   mayen wrote: > hello everyone.. > 9 > does the S_ID and D_ID refers to SCSI ID of the device?    No.   H They refer to the IDs of the devices that are connected directly to the  Fibre.  < There can be many SCSI IDs assocated with an S_ID or a D_ID.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:47:58 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: FTP From a Program 4 Message-ID: <bnle0f$e5p$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   John Brandon wrote:  > Barry Treahy wrote > > >>Yes, but you did not identify which stack you are running... > C > Well not sure what Mike Freeman is running - is there a way to do  > do using TCPIP V5.0 /V5.1 ?    I use HGftp (formerly madgoat). 4 Source available, & easy to hack to an api of sorts.E Sits on top of netlib, on any stack, I believe (I'm using tcpip 5.1).    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 14:05:40 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)  Subject: Re: FTP From a Program + Message-ID: <wbHXCmZEOugm@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   f In article <6sxmb.29471$XO.1480990@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > O > I do this all the time with Compaq-BASIC calling the "FTP_Library" associated G > with TCPware. You can down free example code from my web site at URL: C > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html#my_demos K > I'm not sure how this is down with Compaq's "TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS"  >   J There is the freeware FTPLIB, a quick test using the supplied qftp program8 shows it's working with TCPIP Services V5.3 on VMS 7.3 .  8 See the distribution at http://nbpfaus.net/~pfau/ftplib/  P Depending on the VMS and DECC$rtl, remove memccpy and strdup from shared library (descrip.mms and ftplib*.opt).     --  >    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 08:29:21 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: How are the sales of VMS going ? 3 Message-ID: <A8fxp3aCgpjv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <7500353b.0310272251.454ee0ea@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:  - > Vendor is giving very clear message that no G > matter the arguments, this is the way it is gonna be - take it or cry  > and take it.  J    In the late 1970's the vendor introduced VMS. VMS ran on the new VAX.  J    The vendor was gave a very clear message that no matter the arguments, :    that was the way it was going be - take it or leave it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:42:38 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>: Subject: Re: LMF licence check has failed. Please help :-)0 Message-ID: <3F9E8E6E.49BFA4B0@sture.homeip.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > joe wrote: > >  > > Hello Mr. Hoffman! > > H > > Thank you realy much for your detailed posting but I think I alreadyC > > registered the right PAK correctly and I have enabled it at the  > > installation process. J > > I did act to your suggestion with the faq but it is like all the other > > faq's and google searches.I > > This license problem is realy confusing to me and I fear that I can't D > > solve it and I never can check out this great OS because of this > > stupid licensing. J > > This is the reason why I'm hopeing to get a good hint from usenet whatI > > I exactly should do in my situation. In the meantime I will study the  > > faq. > J > Well, what everyone seems to be trying to say is that there are two setsG > of licenses. One is just the operating system license. The other is a I > long list of licenses for pieces of software called "layered products". I > The part no one seems to explain fully is that the o.s. license is just H > that: a license for the o.s. The GUI is considered a "layered product" > for this purpose.  > I > In addition to the OPENVMS-ALPHA license, you need the DW-MOTIF license ' > from the layered product license set.  > H > How do you load that now? Well, you gotta power up the machine withoutJ > the keyboard connected, with a terminal or terminal program of some kindE > attached via the serial (console) port (the default is usually 9600 G > baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop bit). That should make it revert to E > the "serial console". Then you can log in and register the DW-MOTIF H > license, shutdown, re-attach the keyboard and power/boot up again. Now > your GUI login should work.  >   D Yes, that bit can be painful. It's also worth mentioning that TCP/IPE won't come up without the UCX license, and IIRC TCPIP$CONFIG.COM also D does license checks, meaning it's difficult (impossible?) to use for1 networking configuration without a valid license.   E What I have done the last couple of times my licenses needed renewing G was to email them to work, tidy them up and put them on a VMS formatted G floppy. Truly a piece of cake in comparison with hooking up the console  line and struggling :-)       > Good luck. >      --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:40:19 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) : Subject: Re: LMF licence check has failed. Please help :-)2 Message-ID: <TZwnb.7910$MR3.2752@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <3F9E8E6E.49BFA4B0@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  :David J. Dachtera wrote:  :>  
 :> joe wrote:  :> >I :> > Thank you realy much for your detailed posting but I think I already D :> > registered the right PAK correctly and I have enabled it at the :> > installation process.K :> > I did act to your suggestion with the faq but it is like all the other  :> > faq's and google searches. J :> > This license problem is realy confusing to me and I fear that I can'tE :> > solve it and I never can check out this great OS because of this  :> > stupid licensing.K :> > This is the reason why I'm hopeing to get a good hint from usenet what J :> > I exactly should do in my situation. In the meantime I will study the	 :> > faq.   K   The FAQ exists to try to reduce the number of times that the usenet folks J   answer the same question.  There are direct advantages to you -- you getK   the answer more quickly -- and indirect advantages -- you avoid acquiring K   an untoward reputation for the questions asked, and reduce the likelyhood I   that your future questions will end up unseen; that your questions will K   not be filtered by various newsreader killfiles.  No offense is intended.   J   There are also direct benefits to folks reading and answering questions,I   in that a complete and detailed and oft-reviewed explanation is readily H   available for citation, and the respondents have to spend the time andL   effort involved in re-creating the answer.  Again, no offense is intended.    K :> Well, what everyone seems to be trying to say is that there are two sets H :> of licenses. One is just the operating system license. The other is aJ :> long list of licenses for pieces of software called "layered products".J :> The part no one seems to explain fully is that the o.s. license is justI :> that: a license for the o.s. The GUI is considered a "layered product"  :> for this purpose. :>  J :> In addition to the OPENVMS-ALPHA license, you need the DW-MOTIF license( :> from the layered product license set. :>I :> How do you load that now? Well, you gotta power up the machine without K :> the keyboard connected, with a terminal or terminal program of some kind F :> attached via the serial (console) port (the default is usually 9600H :> baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop bit). That should make it revert toF :> the "serial console". Then you can log in and register the DW-MOTIFI :> license, shutdown, re-attach the keyboard and power/boot up again. Now  :> your GUI login should work.      F   As for the question, please read the Frequently Asked Questions, andI   specifically please read the three previously-cited sections.   Details G   there include how to register the licenses when the failure arises on ,   a system with no available serial console.  I   As for access to the serial console, you generally don't need to remove K   the keyboard connection nor alter the workstation settings, you only need H   trigger a conversational bootstrap.  This switch can normally be done E   without access to and without altering the setting of the alternate K   console -- if the particular system requires the selection at the console C   environment prompt level, though resetting those systems with the I   switch-based alternate console is obviously quite easy -- assuming that E   the target box involved is a workstation with the graphics display  J   enabled.  The switch mechanism itself is also discussed in the FAQ, BTW.  B   Systems that are not workstations do not have the concept of the   alternate console.  H   Most (all?) boxes that have alternate (serial) consoles will honor theH   BREAK signal or similar input on the serial console and will switch toI   the serial console -- without this, there would be no easy way to reset I   the system to use the alternate (serial) console for situations such as    this one.   F   It is also possible to perform the conversational bootstrap from theJ   graphics head, BTW.  I've used that on more than a few occasions, thoughL   the usual wrinkle with licensing -- with either the serial or the graphicsH   console -- is the scale of typing involved.  If you can't transfer theH   license PAKs on disk, then you can end up with having to type a few ofJ   the critical PAKs (DW-MOTIF, the core OpenVMS licenses, and probably theI   UCX license for IP networking) and then use the network to transfer the 2   file containing the licenses over to the system.  I   A core problem within OpenVMS here, unfortunately, involves the ease by E   which folks can get into this no- or expired-license state, and the 6   relative difficulty of getting out of the situation.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Oct 2003 07:28:45 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-dOrJd80wd86M@localhost>   - On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:33:45 UTC, Greg Cagle  % <news@removethisgregcagle.com> wrote:    <snip>   C > The thing that doesn't make sense is that key Linux resources are A > being laid off. I doubt if there's anyone left at "hp" that can ? > design or deploy a large Linux cluster. Which I guess is okayt@ > with me, because the demand is there and I'll just do the work > as an independent 8^).   <Snip>  nB > See above - I'm not a VMS guy (although I used to be a long time= > ago). And I already *have* the pink slip, thanks very much.r  E Yeah the first one led me to believe what the second para confirmed. s Hope it works out Greg.e   -- n Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:33:56 +0000PO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 0 Message-ID: <bnld65$t1o$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:12:50 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyP0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  > A >>Check my past posts I have also never suggested that OpenVMS is ? >>crap, rubbish, terrible, slow, insecure etc all words used bypA >>members of the choir describe Solaris, Linux, UNIX. Mostly used @ >>by people who have absolutely no experience of the system that >>they are describing. >>B >>I am carefull not describe OpenVMS in these terms because I have< >>no current experience of OpenVMS, I used VMS when I was at= >>univercity and later when I used to install DECNET on SunOSd? >>at Digital/Sun sites. Its a great pity that the vast majoritye> >>of Solaris slaggers off who fall directly into this category) >>as well don't follow the same strategy.  >  > I > You have made claims about things like capabilities of VMSclusters thatrK > have been clearly wrong.  And you have argued with posts by others who do J > have the real-world experience about those capabilities.  This, at best,8 > contradicts your first statement in paragraph 2 above. >     = Crap, I made not claims about OpenVMS cluster that were wrong < I corrected a whole load of BS about the capabilites of UNIX< clusters that periodically invaded this newsgroup from a few ill informed sources.l  E > And many of your discussions degenerate into trivializing, personal-K > attacks, and name-calling eventually; so don't get too high on that horse8 > of self righteousness. >    Really !  9 A great example of a post that would never have been sent:8 if its poster had spent a bit more time in self analysis before sending it.   Thanks you just proved my pointf   Regardsk Andrew Harrison>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:42:46 +0000nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>t; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500a0 Message-ID: <bnldmn$t75$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  ! VAX devotee (yeah, I know) wrote:tL > It'll be really interesting to see exactly what Mr. Harrison chooses to doN > with his life once SUN finally completes its current death-spiral.  He couldN > always sell his soul to EDS -- they may be the last on the planet that thinkN > Solaris is worth bothering with .... Harrison doesn't have one, and EDS only# > wants soul-less employees anyway.o > M > (btw  'dising' Mr Main places Harrison's name at the top of on my "Dumb Asse  > Hall of Fame" nomination list) >   7 And I cannot decide whether to place you on any lists Ir5 hold because you didn't have the courage to post thisa using your own name.  2 What could be more "souless" than hiding behind an2 anonymous post a device with the exception of some0 honourable exeptions that is normally the choice
 of trolls.     Regardst Andrew Harrison M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a= > wrote in message news:bnas0i$9ik$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > Main, Kerry wrote: > 7 >>>>Nobody here, aside from Andrew, is negative on VMS.aC >>>>Everyone here, aside from Andrew, wants VMS to thrive and grow.r >>> ? >>>I have no views either way, OpenVMS's presence in the market1@ >>>is currently so tiny that if it were to double it would still >>>be almost invisible.e >>>w( >>>OpenVMS inspired BS is another thing. >>>A
 >>>regards >>>Andrew Harrison >>>M >> >> >>ROTFL ...l >> >>Andrew, Andrew ... >>A >>Hey, like anyone, you are certainly free to participate here inu >>comp.os.vms, but - >>C >>If OpenVMS worries Sun and you so little, if, as recent newsgroupSE >>posting analysis by a few readers here is correct, why do you spendiJ >>approx 80%+ of your online posting time in comp.os.vms and not somewhereF >>that would be much more to your liking i.e. in Solaris, UNIX or even >>architecture newsgroups? >> >  > < > Because with the exception of some of the more rabid Linux? > newsgroups comp.os.vms contains one of the biggest collectionr? > of BS merchants and as you also know you figure pretty highly  > in that collection.s >  >  > @ >>I'll bet you do not see many AIX or OpenVMS posters on SolarisI >>newsgroups playing moderator to "correct" the Solaris fud and marketingt* >>that would inevitablely come up there... >> >  > H > No but thats mainly because people on the Solaris/AIX newsgroups don'tI > spend most of their time as you Rob, Keith, Fred etc do fudding anotherrI > vendor in an apparent attempt to hide the obvious deficiencies of their  > platform/vendor. > 	 > Regardst > Andrew Harrisonh >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:07:13 +0000uO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>l; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 0 Message-ID: <bnm47i$7q2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:i* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > H >>No but thats mainly because people on the Solaris/AIX newsgroups don'tI >>spend most of their time as you Rob, Keith, Fred etc do fudding anothersI >>vendor in an apparent attempt to hide the obvious deficiencies of their: >>platform/vendor. >  >  > L > Mr Andrew, do you ever find yourself criticizing Sun ? One doesn't bit theO > hand that feeds it. These people don't have the freedom to express themselvesRR > and have to defend their employer, no matter how badly their employer screws up. >   " Of course everyone makes mistakes.  $ Sun has made or contibuted to a few.   Regrets:  C Contributed to UNIX infighting particularly around the desktop thats; ended up with Windows being the dominant OS on the desktop.n  5 Sun should have paid more attention to Linux earlier.d  > Could have bought Dell (it was rumoured) but then Dell as part? of Sun might not have been the sucess that Dell as a standalonee entity has turned out to be.  ) Probably shouldn't have purchased Encore.i  9 Should have embraced MOTIF rather than pursuing OpenLook.q  ' However what I don't have to regret is:s  ; Dot com. Like every new industry from the railroads onwardsr) many enter a much smaller number survive.   5 Lying to our customers about key product strategy and. technology directions.   Etc etc.  B There is a difference between defending your employer and boosting@ your employer unecessarely. Sadly a lot of the HP/Compaq/Digital? choir should have one of the regrets that I don't have to worry B about because they participated in the hype and then tried to spin> madly when the hype bubble burst. Even more regretable is that/ this wasn't a onetime mistake for most of them.P     regardsi Andrew Harrison J > These people are not stupid. They have seen how VMS had made Digital theN > second largest computer company in the world and is now relegated to a smallL > niche market with the need to constantly fight the image that it is dead. P > They have seen all the missed opportunities bith Digital, Compaq and HP had to( > push VMS with a big marketing splash.  > I > Olsen and Palmer could have killed the PC with vaxstations, clustering,-N > Xwindows applications that were, at the time, far better than what microsoftN > had to offer for word processing email etc. And had Digital pushed this ontoO > desktops at competitive prices, the volumes would have enabled Digital to put8< > more resources into developping the desktop applications.  > E > Palmer also screwed up Alpha. Great potential which was prevented. f > D > Compaq could have pushed VMS desktops just before Linux took hold.N > Corporations would have much prefered a supported solution as al alternative > to Microsoft.a > M > There is a long list of "could have done".  And those apologists know that.bF > They see the marketing done by VMS competitors. They see the lack ofL > advertising. They see that the only efforts HP takes are to reach existingD > customers with no attempt to "market" outside existing customers.  > L > And while we can applaud their technical prowess and serious knowledge andE > expertise, there is only so much they can do to improve VMS and its G > applicatiosn when they are dedicated to teh port to another platform.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:54:52 -0000f* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>< Subject: Re: OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps (23-Oct-2003) and DCPS+ Message-ID: <bnlhtt$uec@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>o  X "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:bnk143$7m1$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...  R > Maybe there will be USB cards that are supported in pre-EV7 systems (why not ?),3 > so you can use USB printers on older systems too.   H Given the timescale, I assume the target is mostly low-end iVMS systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:35:51 -05004, From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>< Subject: Re: OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps (23-Oct-2003) and DCPS& Message-ID: <3F9E9AE7.63F88054@hp.com>  J     I cannot speak for the DCPS folks but the VMS driver needed to support printers hasH been in every release of the USB code including the demo kit that ran on V7.3.  What waswG needed were changes in DCPS to take advantage of the driver.  We worked, with DCPS to< make sure that the driver had the features that they needed.  H     As been pointed out there are several USB controllers that work just fine with VMS.  The I bad news is that all of these controllers are now at or near end of life.e I recently added supportI for the USB 1.1 part of the Philips ISP 1561 controller chip, and hope toi have the last of theF bugs sorted out in the USB 1.1 part of the NEC  PD7020100A controller. There are plansn( still a ways out to add USB 2.0 support.  F     For Alpha it is unlikely that any systems other then the EV7 boxes will officially support USBaI it is a matter or testing.  For the Itanium systems we should support USB  on most of the platforms.fH It may lag if the patform has USB controllers that we do not have driver support for.  The bad newsE news is that for USB 1.1 there are two controller standards we have ap driver for the OHCIaJ standard.  For USB 2.0 there is one standard EHCI which is good.  But like the OHCI controllersF we are probably going to have to tweak the drivers for every different chip.      Forrest Kenney OpenVMS    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:11:32 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i< Subject: Re: OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps (23-Oct-2003) and DCPSG Message-ID: <ojynb.106542$h61.871@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t   Forrest Kenney wrote:mD >     I cannot speak for the DCPS folks but the VMS driver needed to > support printers hasG > been in every release of the USB code including the demo kit that rano > on V7.3.  What wasB > needed were changes in DCPS to take advantage of the driver.  We > worked with DCPS ton> > make sure that the driver had the features that they needed. >cE >     As been pointed out there are several USB controllers that work  > just fine with VMS.  TheE > bad news is that all of these controllers are now at or near end of'  > life. I recently added supportC > for the USB 1.1 part of the Philips ISP 1561 controller chip, andt > hope to have the last of theH > bugs sorted out in the USB 1.1 part of the NEC  PD7020100A controller. > There are plansk* > still a ways out to add USB 2.0 support. >nH >     For Alpha it is unlikely that any systems other then the EV7 boxes > will officially support USB G > it is a matter or testing.  For the Itanium systems we should support  > USB on most of the platforms. C > It may lag if the patform has USB controllers that we do not havei# > driver support for.  The bad newseG > news is that for USB 1.1 there are two controller standards we have a  > driver for the OHCIeG > standard.  For USB 2.0 there is one standard EHCI which is good.  But  > like the OHCI controllerstH > we are probably going to have to tweak the drivers for every different > chip.s     Forrest,  L No offense, for I think you and your engineering colleagues are doing a fine job.  H Your post serves to point out some salient issues with VMS - namely thatF when sales are artificially constrained by the lack of advertising andK effective marketing, engineering does not have the resources and/or time topF stay on top of the curve to add features in a timely manner. By way ofG illustration, USB 2.0 has been GA as chipsets for over a year (probably-I closer to 2 years). As you correctly point out, each chipset needs tweaksnE and testing in the VMS code, both of which take time. You are but one G person...you need holidays, sick time, and time to attend Little League ! games (just guessing about this)./  L I know that others will jump on me and say that the workpace of the port andL new feature additions to VMS couldn't happen faster if there were more cooksK stirring the pot, but somehow I doubt that for certain aspects of the work.t  I I think having more cooks (or sous chefs at least) is a good idea. But itsJ won't happen without more sales, and that won't happen without advertising- and marketing, and that won't happen, period.d   Why is that?     Why thew   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 07:58:32 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)/ Subject: Re: Product problem= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0310280758.39186461@posting.google.com>c  v "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<PBEDIAGOKEDCKCLPJKAFMEMNCDAA.hvanderw@comcast.net>...K > I have a Alpha/VMS 7.1-1h2 system and I am trying to do product remove ofa
 > decnetV.K > I started out by just trying to do a product show product * and I got theC > error N > error opening sys$common:[sysexe]dec-axpvms-decnet_osi-v0701.pcsi$database;1
 > as input > directory not foundn > no such file > > > But if I do a directory of sys$common:[sysexe] it is there !M > I am doing all this from the sys$system directory and under a fully priv'edm	 > account  > / > If I try to do a product remove of decnet_osi3N > it say the file sys$common:[sysexe]pcsi$processor.pcsi$database is not found > !!  B You didn't say why you wanted to remove it.  We had an issue whereF ASTs stopped being delivered to our application under high transactionF rates using the DECnet Phase V OSI stack.  We did the following to use the old NSP stack:  9 SET NODE 0 SESSION CONTROL TRANSPORT PRECEDENCE {NSP,OSI}a   Everything works now.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:03:53 +0000 (UTC))P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)T Subject: Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories$ Message-ID: <bnl7t9$a64$6@online.de>  2 In article <OOQkb.7374$tL1.2687@news.cpqcorp.net>,6 hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:   . > If possible (i.e. if they do not require theK > new operating system version) I would install the layered products BEFOREa > upgrading OpenVMS    Why?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:37:02 GMT.3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)3T Subject: Re: Q: Product Install of "older" kits warns of deleting "UNDO" directories2 Message-ID: <y2wnb.7902$YQ3.7426@news.cpqcorp.net>  w In article <bnl7t9$a64$6@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:l3 >In article <OOQkb.7374$tL1.2687@news.cpqcorp.net>,u7 >hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes: m >i/ >> If possible (i.e. if they do not require theNL >> new operating system version) I would install the layered products BEFORE >> upgrading OpenVMS >  >Why?e >s  E Because I would want to install patches immediately after the upgradedH and if I then installed the LPs (i.e. after the patches)  I would loose " the PRODUCT UNDO PATCH capability.   -- eJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:02:09 +0000 (UTC).P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)/ Subject: Re: SMTP server behind an ADSL Switch?n$ Message-ID: <bnl7q1$a64$5@online.de>  F In article <bn4nh7$tk62p$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin P.J.+ Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> writes: b  H > As for dynamic DNS providers check www.no-ip.com and www.dyndns.org, IH > personally am a happy camper with no-ip but know of many other people H > who are satisfied with dyndns, I really do not want to start a "My xxx0 > is better than your yyy" discussion over this.  G I'm happy with www.dyndns.org.  I also use www.dynaccess.de.  Last timevC I looked, their site was only available in German.  They cost a bit I more, but offer more services.  In particular, they have a good "offline OG scheme" so that stuff meant for you doesn't go to whomever gets the IP eG address when you lose it and have an SMTP relay server restricted only >I on IP (no authentification needed (difficult from vanilla VMS/TCPIP from aG HP), any From: address is OK) (both of these are much more interesting -D if you don't have a fixed IP address).  They also do domain hosting.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 04:56:37 -0800# From: pmartyn@csc.com (Phil Martyn)ID Subject: Re: swishesi -  no results (malformed header error message)= Message-ID: <23088ca1.0310280456.1ccaaafc@posting.google.com>h  F Thanks for the input. It was along those lines I was thinking (with myE limited knowledge). But no. With Mark Daniel's assistance and the usefC of the logical definition $ DEFINE /SYSTEM SWISHESI$DBUG 1 it turns D out that I'd built the index incorrectly using the VMS swish-e port.$ So mea culpa. Thanks for the assist.   PM.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:47:26 +0100n% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>a$ Subject: Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix. Message-ID: <bnla07$fj9$1@info.service.rug.nl>  < "David J Dachtera" <djesys@earthlink.net> wrote in message =7 news:66a00d01.0310271340.7ff24c21@posting.google.com...pJ > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message =/ news:<86B5B8hI2Iio@eisner.encompasserve.org>...t9 > > In article <e$+L0YWUD9Rr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =o  briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > > >=20D > > > I don't see any support in my copy of dd for ANSI labelled mag > > > tape.  > >=20G > >    It's not built in.  You have to roll your own knowing how ANSI =e labels
 > >    tapes.d >=20D > In fact, little UN*X software supports ANSI labelled tapes. It's a > foreign concept in UN*X-land.y >=20 > >=20G > > > If you can get data from ANSI mag tape to disk, then you really =- don't-G > > > need dd.  Just copy the tarball onto ANSI tape at the VMS end and E > > > onto Unix disk at the Unix end.  Then extract from the archive.  > >=20G > >    IIRC a tarball was given as a suggestion.  While one could store-G > >    a tarball on an ANSI labeled tape, it would be unusual and the =  UNIX8 > >    system still wouldn't have direct support for it. > >=20F > > > If ANSI tapes won't handle binary data for you then I'd be going > > > with unlabelled mag tape.8 > >=207 > >   ANSI tapes most certainly can handle binary data.l >=20F > Careful there! "ANSI labelled" means exactly that: the label recordsC > conform to ANSI standards. The content of the data is irrelevent.   F Not only labels, in the case of varying length records also the record2 format on tape is prescribed by the ANSI standard.B Since Unix has not concept of records, it is always difficult to = transferH varying length records to Unix. Text usually has varying length records.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 07:38:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler).$ Subject: Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix3 Message-ID: <XaSONQuDd09q@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  m In article <66a00d01.0310271340.7ff24c21@posting.google.com>, djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) writes:n > D > In fact, little UN*X software supports ANSI labelled tapes. It's a > foreign concept in UN*X-land.o >   J    The ONLY "standard" utility I've seen on UNIX for ANSI labeled tapes isC    ltf, and it wasn't that many years ago that it was hard to find.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:28:01 -0800n# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: RE: VMS Text Files --> Unix9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEIBIFAA.tom@kednos.com>o  L http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/comp.sources.unix /volume8/ansitape/   >-----Original Message----- C >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]o( >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:38 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >Subject: Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix- >- >-> >In article <66a00d01.0310271340.7ff24c21@posting.google.com>,0 >djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) writes: >>E >> In fact, little UN*X software supports ANSI labelled tapes. It's al  >> foreign concept in UN*X-land. >> >$K >   The ONLY "standard" utility I've seen on UNIX for ANSI labeled tapes is D >   ltf, and it wasn't that many years ago that it was hard to find. >y >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.c; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).sB >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >O ---n& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:42:55 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>u$ Subject: Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix0 Message-ID: <bnm2pv$79p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: x > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<86B5B8hI2Iio@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > V >>In article <e$+L0YWUD9Rr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >>A >>>I don't see any support in my copy of dd for ANSI labelled magu >>>tape. >>J >>   It's not built in.  You have to roll your own knowing how ANSI labels >>   tapes.$ >  > D > In fact, little UN*X software supports ANSI labelled tapes. It's a > foreign concept in UN*X-land.t >  >   E Well except ansitar, ansitape, vmstp, tpmnt (UNICOS), ReelLibrarian, n SAM-FS and a number of others.  G http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pub/unix/ansiutil/ for a free download of ansitar_ source.    Regardse Andrew Harrison H >>>If you can get data from ANSI mag tape to disk, then you really don'tD >>>need dd.  Just copy the tarball onto ANSI tape at the VMS end andB >>>onto Unix disk at the Unix end.  Then extract from the archive. >>E >>   IIRC a tarball was given as a suggestion.  While one could storevH >>   a tarball on an ANSI labeled tape, it would be unusual and the UNIX6 >>   system still wouldn't have direct support for it. >> >>C >>>If ANSI tapes won't handle binary data for you then I'd be going: >>>with unlabelled mag tape. >>5 >>  ANSI tapes most certainly can handle binary data.a >  > F > Careful there! "ANSI labelled" means exactly that: the label recordsC > conform to ANSI standards. The content of the data is irrelevent.i >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 11:59:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e$ Subject: Re: VMS Text Files --> Unix3 Message-ID: <OE0hMTtIl1Z7@eisner.encompasserve.org>v   In article <bnm2pv$79p$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > G > Well except ansitar, ansitape, vmstp, tpmnt (UNICOS), ReelLibrarian, a  > SAM-FS and a number of others.  =    All add-ons, not part of most (or any?) UNIX distribution.s   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Oct 2003 07:28:43 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>7 Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?g5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-DPgNJopegHfg@localhost>r  ? On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:45:40 UTC, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry   Kilgallen) wrote:   l > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EVeupdliPyLZ@localhost>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:I > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:05 UTC, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:c > >  > > Didier rH > >                I sent you an email, Spam Arrest asked me to visit a J > > webpage to confirm, I've done that so you should get my response now. H > > I've not clicked anything, that I'm aware of. 'cos I'm not 'signing C > > in' for anything like that without a chance to work out what's f > > happening. > D > Besides automatically generating spam to innocent bystanders, some@ > of those challenge-response vendors actually harvest the email0 > addresses of those whose email they intercept. > F > My automaton (and I am sure many others) discard any such challengesD > without me seeing them, so I gather Didier did not get my input on= > this subject, and similarly with anyone else so configured.d  F Well I hope its only coincidence that my spam count was up to 90 this 3 morning :-) There actually was _a_ real mail there.   D I can't help thinking my ISP (attglobal nee ibm), should be able to E filter out the Microsoft auto-update crap (15M yesterday and today). r- Maybe I better go and check out their policy.t   -- h Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:08:00 +0100-" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>7 Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?t4 Message-ID: <3f9e4000$0$27576$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  , > so I gather Didier did not get my input on= > this subject, and similarly with anyone else so configured.?  8 Course I did! Everything you tell me I gather, Larry :-)G The Spamarrest thing allows to select senders manually (fortunately :-)w   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:33:03 +0100l* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>7 Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems? 0 Message-ID: <3F9E8C2F.24712FF3@sture.homeip.net>   Dave Weatherall wrote: > @ > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:45:40 UTC, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry > Kilgallen) wrote:L > n > > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EVeupdliPyLZ@localhost>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:K > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:05 UTC, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:  > > >d > > > DidierI > > >                I sent you an email, Spam Arrest asked me to visit aiK > > > webpage to confirm, I've done that so you should get my response now.nI > > > I've not clicked anything, that I'm aware of. 'cos I'm not 'signingoD > > > in' for anything like that without a chance to work out what's > > > happening. > >>F > > Besides automatically generating spam to innocent bystanders, someB > > of those challenge-response vendors actually harvest the email2 > > addresses of those whose email they intercept. > > H > > My automaton (and I am sure many others) discard any such challengesF > > without me seeing them, so I gather Didier did not get my input on? > > this subject, and similarly with anyone else so configured.o > G > Well I hope its only coincidence that my spam count was up to 90 thisg5 > morning :-) There actually was _a_ real mail there.s >   E It seems to be getting worse. Over 160 when I got into work yesterdayn morning.    kE > I can't help thinking my ISP (attglobal nee ibm), should be able toeF > filter out the Microsoft auto-update crap (15M yesterday and today)./ > Maybe I better go and check out their policy.e  F I've had none of those hit the POP service I use for my laptop (thoughD loads for the usual pills and potions), although I haven't used that2 address for newsgroup postings for abut 18 months.  F One ISP here has started to advertise its services with spam and virusD filters, which shows it can be done. With the caveat that all I knowB about them is one newspaper advertisement and their (not very good6 looking) website, this is what they offer (in German):  + http://www.deep.ch/sites/produkte/adsl.htmlT   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:33:37 -0800t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r7 Subject: RE: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?t9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEHOIFAA.tom@kednos.com>   C I switched from tcpip$smtp 5.1 to MX5.3 about about a month ago andoB so far I have managed to reduce the spam to a trickle mostly pillsF of some kind.  Haven't figure out how to filter them because they keep  changing the name, e.g. V| ag ra  H Got rid of all the Microsoft update viruses, which at one point actually filled up a disk  F MX has a lot more capability than TCPIP when it comes to filtering and# configuring.  I would recommend it.h   >-----Original Message-----a2 >From: Paul Sture [mailto:nospam@sture.homeip.net]( >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:33 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems? >  >e >Dave Weatherall wrote:o >>A >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:45:40 UTC, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry  >> Kilgallen) wrote: >>@ >> > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EVeupdliPyLZ@localhost>, "Dave/ >Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:eL >> > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:05 UTC, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote: >> > >
 >> > > DidierrJ >> > >                I sent you an email, Spam Arrest asked me to visit aL >> > > webpage to confirm, I've done that so you should get my response now.J >> > > I've not clicked anything, that I'm aware of. 'cos I'm not 'signingE >> > > in' for anything like that without a chance to work out what'si >> > > happening.g >> >G >> > Besides automatically generating spam to innocent bystanders, somewC >> > of those challenge-response vendors actually harvest the email 3 >> > addresses of those whose email they intercept.t >> >I >> > My automaton (and I am sure many others) discard any such challengesoG >> > without me seeing them, so I gather Didier did not get my input on @ >> > this subject, and similarly with anyone else so configured. >>H >> Well I hope its only coincidence that my spam count was up to 90 this6 >> morning :-) There actually was _a_ real mail there. >> >lF >It seems to be getting worse. Over 160 when I got into work yesterday	 >morning.d >a >nF >> I can't help thinking my ISP (attglobal nee ibm), should be able toG >> filter out the Microsoft auto-update crap (15M yesterday and today).p0 >> Maybe I better go and check out their policy. >AG >I've had none of those hit the POP service I use for my laptop (thoughcE >loads for the usual pills and potions), although I haven't used thati3 >address for newsgroup postings for abut 18 months.t >sG >One ISP here has started to advertise its services with spam and viruspE >filters, which shows it can be done. With the caveat that all I knowcC >about them is one newspaper advertisement and their (not very goode7 >looking) website, this is what they offer (in German):- >-, >http://www.deep.ch/sites/produkte/adsl.html >- >--- >Paul Sture- >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >f --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:57:24 +01000* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>7 Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?r0 Message-ID: <3F9E91E4.5AE6EF29@sture.homeip.net>   Tom Linden wrote:  > E > I switched from tcpip$smtp 5.1 to MX5.3 about about a month ago andnD > so far I have managed to reduce the spam to a trickle mostly pillsH > of some kind.  Haven't figure out how to filter them because they keep" > changing the name, e.g. V| ag ra >   C Where do I get MX5,3? I thought it was a Process Software product -lH chargeable but with more functionality than the freeware version - yet I cannot find it on their site.b    eJ > Got rid of all the Microsoft update viruses, which at one point actually > filled up a disk > H > MX has a lot more capability than TCPIP when it comes to filtering and% > configuring.  I would recommend it.H >  > >-----Original Message-----c4 > >From: Paul Sture [mailto:nospam@sture.homeip.net]* > >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:33 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: > >Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems? > >P > >A > >Dave Weatherall wrote:n > >>C > >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:45:40 UTC, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larrys > >> Kilgallen) wrote: > >>B > >> > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EVeupdliPyLZ@localhost>, "Dave1 > >Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:uN > >> > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:05 UTC, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > DidiercL > >> > >                I sent you an email, Spam Arrest asked me to visit aN > >> > > webpage to confirm, I've done that so you should get my response now.L > >> > > I've not clicked anything, that I'm aware of. 'cos I'm not 'signingG > >> > > in' for anything like that without a chance to work out what'se > >> > > happening.  > >> >I > >> > Besides automatically generating spam to innocent bystanders, somelE > >> > of those challenge-response vendors actually harvest the emailg5 > >> > addresses of those whose email they intercept.  > >> >K > >> > My automaton (and I am sure many others) discard any such challengeseI > >> > without me seeing them, so I gather Didier did not get my input onsB > >> > this subject, and similarly with anyone else so configured. > >>J > >> Well I hope its only coincidence that my spam count was up to 90 this8 > >> morning :-) There actually was _a_ real mail there. > >> > >tH > >It seems to be getting worse. Over 160 when I got into work yesterday > >morning.n > >  > >8H > >> I can't help thinking my ISP (attglobal nee ibm), should be able toI > >> filter out the Microsoft auto-update crap (15M yesterday and today).s2 > >> Maybe I better go and check out their policy. > >dI > >I've had none of those hit the POP service I use for my laptop (though G > >loads for the usual pills and potions), although I haven't used thats5 > >address for newsgroup postings for abut 18 months.c > >:I > >One ISP here has started to advertise its services with spam and virus@G > >filters, which shows it can be done. With the caveat that all I knowrE > >about them is one newspaper advertisement and their (not very goodh9 > >looking) website, this is what they offer (in German):a > >e. > >http://www.deep.ch/sites/produkte/adsl.html > >t > >-- 
 > >Paul Stureh > >i     -- a
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:49:37 -0800l# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>d7 Subject: RE: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEHPIFAA.tom@kednos.com>a   www.madgoat.com  $499a   >-----Original Message-----c2 >From: Paul Sture [mailto:nospam@sture.homeip.net]( >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:57 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems? >b >e >Tom Linden wrote: >>F >> I switched from tcpip$smtp 5.1 to MX5.3 about about a month ago andE >> so far I have managed to reduce the spam to a trickle mostly pillstI >> of some kind.  Haven't figure out how to filter them because they keept# >> changing the name, e.g. V| ag ran >> >sD >Where do I get MX5,3? I thought it was a Process Software product -I >chargeable but with more functionality than the freeware version - yet I  >cannot find it on their site. >t > K >> Got rid of all the Microsoft update viruses, which at one point actuallyO >> filled up a disk  >>I >> MX has a lot more capability than TCPIP when it comes to filtering andl& >> configuring.  I would recommend it. >> >> >-----Original Message-----5 >> >From: Paul Sture [mailto:nospam@sture.homeip.net]O+ >> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:33 AMr >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml; >> >Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?p >> > >> > >> >Dave Weatherall wrote: >> >>sD >> >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:45:40 UTC, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry >> >> Kilgallen) wrote:  >> >>tC >> >> > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-EVeupdliPyLZ@localhost>, "Daveo2 >> >Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:: >> >> > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:47:05 UTC, Didier Morandi ><no@spam.com> wrote:g	 >> >> > >h >> >> > > DidierB >> >> > >                I sent you an email, Spam Arrest asked me >to visit anA >> >> > > webpage to confirm, I've done that so you should get myu >response now.@ >> >> > > I've not clicked anything, that I'm aware of. 'cos I'm
 >not 'signingeH >> >> > > in' for anything like that without a chance to work out what's >> >> > > happening. >> >> >dJ >> >> > Besides automatically generating spam to innocent bystanders, someF >> >> > of those challenge-response vendors actually harvest the email6 >> >> > addresses of those whose email they intercept. >> >> > L >> >> > My automaton (and I am sure many others) discard any such challengesJ >> >> > without me seeing them, so I gather Didier did not get my input onC >> >> > this subject, and similarly with anyone else so configured.F >> >>wK >> >> Well I hope its only coincidence that my spam count was up to 90 this 9 >> >> morning :-) There actually was _a_ real mail there.  >> >>  >> >I >> >It seems to be getting worse. Over 160 when I got into work yesterdayn >> >morning. >> > >> >I >> >> I can't help thinking my ISP (attglobal nee ibm), should be able to J >> >> filter out the Microsoft auto-update crap (15M yesterday and today).3 >> >> Maybe I better go and check out their policy.s >> >J >> >I've had none of those hit the POP service I use for my laptop (thoughH >> >loads for the usual pills and potions), although I haven't used that6 >> >address for newsgroup postings for abut 18 months. >> >J >> >One ISP here has started to advertise its services with spam and virusH >> >filters, which shows it can be done. With the caveat that all I knowF >> >about them is one newspaper advertisement and their (not very good: >> >looking) website, this is what they offer (in German): >> >/ >> >http://www.deep.ch/sites/produkte/adsl.htmly >> > >> >-- >> >Paul Sture >> > >h >d >--  >Paul StureF >t >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.d; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).fB >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >  ---n& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003o   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2003 09:22:24 -0800) From: cwgraham@sai-net.com (Chuck Graham) 7 Subject: Re: [survey] why do you still use VAX systems?h= Message-ID: <2bbb7df0.0310280922.200122e6@posting.google.com>e  \ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3f997881$0$228$636a55ce@news.free.fr>...& > One of Tom Linden's Customers wrote: > 5 > >>>>Have you thought about the CHARON VAX emulator?m > >>>oJ > >>>Yes that was considered but the Sales group did not think we would be7 > >>>happy with the performance compared with our 7840.h > H > Let me laugh. A further announce to come on this subject will take by  > surprize more than one...n >  > D.  D The CHARON VAX emulator can be configured to be equivalent to a 7840F by installing multiple copies of CHARON VAX on a multi-processor AlphaA and clustering them together.  This has been tested on up to a 16 E processor Alpha system with 15 instances of CHARON VAX with virtuallyu9 linear increases in performance.  Results can be found ont WWW.WinVMS.com.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.598 ************************