1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 30 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 601       Contents: Re: A new processor for VMS  Re: A new processor for VMS  Re: A new processor for VMS . Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. RE: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer0 Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP0 Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP0 Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP0 Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP0 Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP0 Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP0 Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTPI Re: Can not see raid devices (was Re: Who can help me about this trouble)  Carly on Beach Re: Carly on Beach Re: Carly on Beach Re: Carly on Beach Re: Carly on Beach  Concurrent users from Accounting$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting Converting Framemaker docs Re: Daylight Savings + NTP Re: Daylight Savings + NTP. Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batch Re: Email Server for VMS Re: Email Server for VMS Re: Email Server for VMS Re: Email Server for VMS+ EV7 and HPTC:  Itanic isn't even safe there  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  RE: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  RE: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: Ignore: Test Only L Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't workH LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't workL Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't workL Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't workP Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't work wor' Re: Live OpenVMS Teleconference/Webcast ' Re: Live OpenVMS Teleconference/Webcast < Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is too@ Re: Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is too@ Re: Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is too9 Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation: call for papers $ Not all RZ1DB-VWs are created equal?( Re: Not all RZ1DB-VWs are created equal?( Re: Only 37 slots left for the Boot Camp Re: Read/Inquire a define/key ! Resetting Process Quotas manually % Re: Resetting Process Quotas manually % Re: Resetting Process Quotas manually A upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe E Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe E Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe E Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe E Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe  VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 " VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 Security Hardening< Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloria< Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloria Re: VMS v8.2 has a name  Re: VMS v8.2 has a name   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 15:59:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: A new processor for VMS3 Message-ID: <T9U+PfSj3zJd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <76Rnb.40123$mZ5.224305@attbi_s54>, Bob WIllard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net> writes:  > E > That DSP is missing a few architectural pieces, so that it would be E > a challenge to port O'VMS: memory mapping and associated protection  > hardware, for starters.   G    I'll bet it wouldn't fit into the "affordable VMS" campaign, either.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 15:57:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: A new processor for VMS3 Message-ID: <AtWZsddUkTaD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1wPnb.51672$7B1.17726@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > http://www.lenslet.com/  > G > So how long would it take to port VMS to this 256-bit architecture??? L > Ok, so it's a DSP..... but undoubtedly a general-purpose cpu will be built% > from this technology sometime soon.   F    It's much easier to speed up a DSP than it is to speed up a generalF    purpose CPU.  That's why we buy DSPs and use them next to our CPUs.  G    But I do know some applications that might make good use of this.  I G    wonder if it's RAD hard?  (I've had too many optical components that     weren't.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:38:38 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: A new processor for VMSH Message-ID: <i4Znb.56677$7B1.34232@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In articleE > <1wPnb.51672$7B1.17726@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John ! > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >> http://www.lenslet.com/ >>H >> So how long would it take to port VMS to this 256-bit architecture???G >> Ok, so it's a DSP..... but undoubtedly a general-purpose cpu will be , >> built from this technology sometime soon. > H >    It's much easier to speed up a DSP than it is to speed up a generalH >    purpose CPU.  That's why we buy DSPs and use them next to our CPUs. > F >    But I do know some applications that might make good use of this.  	 JStars???     F >    I wonder if it's RAD hard?  (I've had too many optical components >    that weren't.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:11:55 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer / Message-ID: <vpvt6rbdvc5v63@corp.supernews.com>   / William Webb <al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com> wrote: G : The quotes around "-V" aren't there to make the option stand out from F : the rest of the text- uou have to use them in the actual ZIP command1 : or else ZIP won't save the VMS file attributes.   . If you omit the ""s, the -V gets passed as -v.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:46:26 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer 2 Message-ID: <SyWnb.8028$kl5.5652@news.cpqcorp.net>  S In article <vpva3dshmqi0bc@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: E :Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote: / :: To get rid off all file conversion problems: G :: Burn CDs under OpenVMS. cdrecord + lddriver is available at no cost.  : 0 :CD burners are not (available at no extra cost)  H   New CD-R recorders are cheap, and getting cheaper.  Entry-level pricesI   for a new ATAPI CD-R drive appear to be around US$35 to US$45, based on H   a quick search.  Used or slower or older or close-out CD recorders areC   accordingly even cheaper than that and particularly if you have a H   computer parts salvage house around, or are willing to wade through anH   on-line auction, or if somebody you know is retiring an older computer   with an older burner, etc.  H   The hassles and the errors and the re-copies and even the time that isF   spent transfering the files and initiating the burn will be only theH   cheapest solution if your time -- and the occasional resulting coaster7   -- have a lower overall cost.  (But y'all knew that.)   J   I have DCL that does the preparation and the burn for me, and I load theK   media into the drive and invoke one of various command procedures for the L   particular task -- I can then get on to other work and other tasks, or can#   go get myself a fresh cup o' Joe.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:36:01 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 7 Subject: RE: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer 2 Message-ID: <R1Znb.8045$SI5.3891@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEJKIFAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: E :Isn't this the same as ZIP/VMS?  BTW, I note that ZIP.EXE is missing C :in [FREEWARE50.000TOOLS.ALPHA_IMAGES]  bur is present on the 40 CD   I   Hmmm.  It's named ZIP.AXP_EXE, IIRC.  Looks like a bug lurks within the I   DEFINE_TOOLS.COM procedure on that version of the Freeware, too.  Rats. J   (I'll queue this particular trivia for when I package Freeware V7.0, and@   assuming I didn't already catch this error for Freeware V6.0.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:01:43 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer ' Message-ID: <3FA08D27.5070405@MMaz.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:   T >In article <vpva3dshmqi0bc@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:F >:Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote:0 >:: To get rid off all file conversion problems:H >:: Burn CDs under OpenVMS. cdrecord + lddriver is available at no cost. >:1 >:CD burners are not (available at no extra cost)  > I >  New CD-R recorders are cheap, and getting cheaper.  Entry-level prices J >  for a new ATAPI CD-R drive appear to be around US$35 to US$45, based onI >  a quick search.  Used or slower or older or close-out CD recorders are D >  accordingly even cheaper than that and particularly if you have aI >  computer parts salvage house around, or are willing to wade through an I >  on-line auction, or if somebody you know is retiring an older computer  >  with an older burner, etc.  >    > I Hoff, the original post was for VAXstations running 5.5, now how are IDE  E drives going to be a practical solution?  They aren't, at best you'd  G need SCSI which are more costly, much more, and at that rev of VMS, if  I you could even get cdrecord and the drivers running, I suspect you would  ) have more coasters than good data CD's...    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:35:32 -0500 . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>9 Subject: Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP / Message-ID: <10Snb.115$s8.2137@news.on.tac.net>    Sorry about that  >  Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2.   on a AlphaServer DS25 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2818A.EAD48285@SendSpamHere.ORG...D > In article <W5Qnb.114$s8.1944@news.on.tac.net>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes: G > >Does anyone have a sample of how to call SMTP mail via applications.  This  > >would be similar to doing the > >  > >telnet/port=25 server.com > >helo  > >mail form: etc. > > H > >I would like to call this as a function by passing the email_address, > >subject, body > > L > >The problem I seem to have is that mail$routines do not work with message > >body's > 255 chars  > >  > >  >  > Which TCP/IP stack?  >  > --  2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:47:23 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP ) Message-ID: <3F9FFD2B.C10BE02C@istop.com>    Jerry Alan Braga wrote:  > L > Does anyone have a sample of how to call SMTP mail via applications.  This > would be similar to doing the   G > I would like to call this as a function by passing the email_address,  > subject, body  > K > The problem I seem to have is that mail$routines do not work with message  > body's > 255 chars  M This is a DECnet mail limitation. mail$routines don't have that limitation if L your VMSmail message stays on the same node (or if you send the message with the foreign flag).  M As for sending to SMTP, There is the Send From File utility. It is documented E somewhat in the 5.3 TCPIP Services documentation, but there is better N documentation in the Ask the Wizard. (You can do a recent Google on this group1 for Send for File and yo may get the exact link).   J SFF requires that you write your message to a file (complete with the SMTPU commands). It then gets sent to the TCPIP Services mail queue for sending/processing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:04:21 -0500 . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>9 Subject: Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP / Message-ID: <mjTnb.116$s8.2033@news.on.tac.net>   H The interface I am coming from does not allow me to create a file on theH server.  I need a wrapper routine around this to be called that can pass= this information to a function that can create this file etc.   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3F9FFD2B.C10BE02C@istop.com...  > Jerry Alan Braga wrote:  > > H > > Does anyone have a sample of how to call SMTP mail via applications. This! > > would be similar to doing the  > I > > I would like to call this as a function by passing the email_address,  > > subject, body  > > E > > The problem I seem to have is that mail$routines do not work with  message  > > body's > 255 chars > L > This is a DECnet mail limitation. mail$routines don't have that limitation ifI > your VMSmail message stays on the same node (or if you send the message  with > the foreign flag). > D > As for sending to SMTP, There is the Send From File utility. It is
 documentedG > somewhat in the 5.3 TCPIP Services documentation, but there is better J > documentation in the Ask the Wizard. (You can do a recent Google on this group 3 > for Send for File and yo may get the exact link).  > L > SFF requires that you write your message to a file (complete with the SMTPC > commands). It then gets sent to the TCPIP Services mail queue for  sending/processing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:28:53 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP ) Message-ID: <3FA022F9.D795E9B7@istop.com>    re: 255 character limit.  H You should note that in SMTP, the expectation is that lines are not muchK longer than 80 characters, although the standard does allow for lines up to  1024 if I remember correctly.     I If you are sending binary contents, they need to be encoded with MIME, at F which point the MAIL$ routines are not usable. If you are sending textK contents, you should terminate each line with cr-lf at which point, the 256 J character limit on decnet mail is more than you need (80 character lines).  L If you really want to send flowed text (eg: one line per paragraph), you canJ use quoted-printable encoding to send your one long line in which case, noN phyical line exceeds 80 characters (I think 76 is the standard or is it 72 ?).H The recipient reassembles the one long line from multiple separate lines terminated with the = sign.     E If you use MAIL$ routines to send via the smtp% transport (or the SFF I facility), you benefit from the smtp server having all the logic to retry M delivery, send back non delivery reports etc. If you want to do your own SMTP M commands directly, you'll have to connect to a relay host which will give you J the retry functionality. (and if you have multiple recipients on differentM domains, the relay host will make the different connection attempts for you).    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 15:19:54 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org9 Subject: Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP 3 Message-ID: <48FGz5HHciIO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FA022F9.D795E9B7@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > re: 255 character limit. > J > You should note that in SMTP, the expectation is that lines are not muchM > longer than 80 characters, although the standard does allow for lines up to  > 1024 if I remember correctly.   7 998.  Plus the <CR><LF> for a total of 1000 characters.   N > If you really want to send flowed text (eg: one line per paragraph), you canL > use quoted-printable encoding to send your one long line in which case, noP > phyical line exceeds 80 characters (I think 76 is the standard or is it 72 ?).J > The recipient reassembles the one long line from multiple separate lines > terminated with the = sign.    76 is correct.  H       Rule #5 (Soft Line Breaks): The Quoted-Printable encoding REQUIRESF       that encoded lines be no more than 76 characters long. If longerH       lines are to be encoded with the Quoted-Printable encoding, 'soft'H       line breaks must be used. An equal sign as the last character on aG       encoded line indicates such a non-significant ('soft') line break B       in the encoded text. Thus if the "raw" form of the line is a&       single unencoded line that says:  G > If you use MAIL$ routines to send via the smtp% transport (or the SFF K > facility), you benefit from the smtp server having all the logic to retry O > delivery, send back non delivery reports etc. If you want to do your own SMTP O > commands directly, you'll have to connect to a relay host which will give you L > the retry functionality. (and if you have multiple recipients on differentO > domains, the relay host will make the different connection attempts for you).   I Depending on TCP stack, you may be able to submit a mail message directly J to the SMTP server queue.  I find this handy when doing diagnostic message forgery under Multinet.   C     $ SUBMIT preformatted-message-file /QUEUE=MULTINET_SMTP /NOTIFY   0 You could use $SNDJBC to accomplish this from C.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:30:05 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP ) Message-ID: <3FA0314E.55EDCE8C@istop.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: K > Depending on TCP stack, you may be able to submit a mail message directly L > to the SMTP server queue.  I find this handy when doing diagnostic message > forgery under Multinet.  > E >     $ SUBMIT preformatted-message-file /QUEUE=MULTINET_SMTP /NOTIFY   L The person already stated he is not allowed to create a file. (although whenL using the MAIL$ routines, it implicitely creates files in either sys$scratch or your mailbox directory).    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:19:56 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 9 Subject: Re: C callable routine for sending mail via SMTP 2 Message-ID: <g2Xnb.8031$kl5.6044@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <W5Qnb.114$s8.1944@news.on.tac.net>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:K :Does anyone have a sample of how to call SMTP mail via applications.  This  :would be similar to doing the :  :telnet/port=25 server.com :helo  :mail form: etc.  F   Why use telnet?  Just open the port from the program and -- with theF   help of the RFCs -- write your own SMTP server.  For details on whatE   an SMTP server looks like, see RFC821 and RFC822, etc.  (Or find an    existing server, of course.)  F :I would like to call this as a function by passing the email_address, :subject, body : J :The problem I seem to have is that mail$routines do not work with message :body's > 255 chars     H   Eh?  You have longer text lines than that?  If so, you'll probably endG   up encoding the traffic, as I'd not expect the receiving end would be G   entirely likely to process such a message.  OpenVMS has limits on the H   length of a line it will accept, and (AFAIK) the RFCs also have a text   line length limit.  I   If you are having problems with the mail$routines, then details such as J   the OpenVMS version, platform and relevent ECOs, and some sort of sourceI   code reproducer for the particular problem would be potentially useful.   (   MIME encoding would be another option.  H   Also see the Send From File (SFF) stuff in the TCP/IP Services manual.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:48:17 +0800 / From: "Fred Jiang" <fred.jiang@tianjin.mot.com> R Subject: Re: Can not see raid devices (was Re: Who can help me about this trouble)+ Message-ID: <bnq1pf$o2o$1@newshost.mot.com>    Peter,6 Now I can find the device with name dra2:(mirror disk)4 but I'm not familiar with the raid startup prcedure.= two disk dra0 and dra1 have two virtual devices bind to each. ' dra0(dpa40/dpa41) and dra1(dpa42/dpa43)   For the new installed disk dra2:- I can't see dpa44/dpa45 being binded to dra2. H Is there any configuration files need to be modified? and need to modify raid$startup.com as weel? G Do you has ever seen raid command on VMS system? Lets say $raid bind...  Please advance.   G "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 4 news:bnm60l$134jnt$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de... > Fred Jiang wrote:  > > Friends, > > = > > I configure the raid disks on the vms console (alpha box)  > and it shows@ > > successfull. When I boot  the box, Console message shows the
 > scan the= > > disks and I see the new configured disks. But I can't see  > disks when< > > VMS 7.2-1 up using "$show device d". Normally, I can see
 > draxxx: but > > > now nothing on it. Anybody know it, Please help me. Thanks
 > in advance.  > > > Maybe you can post some more information to give us a start; >     Alpha model? >     What raid hardware?  >     What SCSI device? " >     SHOW DEVICE from the console >     SHOW DEVICE D from VMS> >     Any other clues you might have (did you have other disks< > here before that were not raid? Did make any other changes@ > other than creating the raid? Do you have anything else on the, > SCSI line that you should see but do not?) >  > --?  > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:00:19 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>  Subject: Carly on Beach = Message-ID: <TLWnb.5295$1L6.48830699@news-text.cableinet.net>    www.carlyonbeach might amuse...    --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:02:33 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>  Subject: Re: Carly on Beach = Message-ID: <ZNWnb.5301$YP6.48920795@news-text.cableinet.net>   C Oh hell. I meant www.carlyonbeach.com ... You all spotted that. OK?    Cheers, Colin.     --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks. L "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> wrote in message7 news:TLWnb.5295$1L6.48830699@news-text.cableinet.net... ! > www.carlyonbeach might amuse...  >  > --   >  > Hope this helps, Colin. + > colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk J > Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and  > networks.  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:50:09 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> Subject: Re: Carly on Beach 2 Message-ID: <BuXnb.8036$4B5.3368@news.cpqcorp.net>   Colin Butcher wrote:E > Oh hell. I meant www.carlyonbeach.com ... You all spotted that. OK?  >  > Cheers, Colin. >  >   A What an obnoxious web site.  It totally resized my windows and I  @ couldn't grab the title bar to move the window down again.  Feh!   --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:37:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Carly on Beach G Message-ID: <h3Znb.56669$7B1.3324@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Colin Butcher wrote:E > Oh hell. I meant www.carlyonbeach.com ... You all spotted that. OK?  >      That's some beach.  ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 22:05:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Carly on Beach 3 Message-ID: <JzR1wEUaa5Lo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <BuXnb.8036$4B5.3368@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  > Colin Butcher wrote:F >> Oh hell. I meant www.carlyonbeach.com ... You all spotted that. OK?   Yes, but I got a blank page.  C > What an obnoxious web site.  It totally resized my windows and I  B > couldn't grab the title bar to move the window down again.  Feh!  / I suspect you might have JavaScript enabled :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 11:07:24 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ) Subject: Concurrent users from Accounting 3 Message-ID: <PckQLHF86sVv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ; 	I'm trying to determine a way to find out concurrent users  	at a certain time.     D 	Question:  Using accounting how to get concurrent users at 10 a.m.?  C 	I'm lacking the insight today and don't feel like grinding it out.    	A command file like this:   $ !  $ !  $ ! * $       acc_file = "ACCOUNTNG_SEP03.DAT;1" $       temp_file = "acc.out" ' $       start_date = "1-sep-2003:07:00" % $       end_date = "2-sep-2003:17:00"  $ !  $ !  $ ! 9 $       Accounting      /Since          = 'Start_Date'  - 9                         /Before         = 'End_Date'    - 9                         /Type           = Process       - 9                         /Process        = Interactive   - 9                         /Output         = 'Temp_File'   - 2                         /summary        'acc_file'  @ 	Gives a number that is false in that someone may have logged in= 	at 1 p.m. and logged out at 4 p.m. so the generated summary   	number is inflated.  = 	Likewise, someone logging in at 8 a.m. may not log out until  	4 p.m. or log out at 9:30.   < 	The not so obvious way is to do an accounting/full and look@ 	at all end times.  If the end time is after 10 a.m. , increment 	a counter - ugly.  . 	Maybe I'm missing the obvious way, so I post!   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:18:22 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>- Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting 3 Message-ID: <FfVnb.4276$G1.20834@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   H As Peter Weaver said, you can write a program that compares logon/logout times.F I have a program that does reporting from the accounting file. ReadingH through this file is not easy from DCL (fields in a record do not have aH fixed length) so if you'd like the program I can send it to you. You can: start from there and keep just the bits that handle dates.H My program is in DEC-Basic and the accounting file's structure is in the starlet library.   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- B "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> a crit dans le message de- news:PckQLHF86sVv@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > < > I'm trying to determine a way to find out concurrent users > at a certain time. > E > Question:  Using accounting how to get concurrent users at 10 a.m.?  > D > I'm lacking the insight today and don't feel like grinding it out. >  > A command file like this:  >  > $ !  > $ !  > $ ! , > $       acc_file = "ACCOUNTNG_SEP03.DAT;1" > $       temp_file = "acc.out" ) > $       start_date = "1-sep-2003:07:00" ' > $       end_date = "2-sep-2003:17:00"  > $ !  > $ !  > $ ! ; > $       Accounting      /Since          = 'Start_Date'  - ; >                         /Before         = 'End_Date'    - ; >                         /Type           = Process       - ; >                         /Process        = Interactive   - ; >                         /Output         = 'Temp_File'   - 4 >                         /summary        'acc_file' > A > Gives a number that is false in that someone may have logged in = > at 1 p.m. and logged out at 4 p.m. so the generated summary  > number is inflated.  > > > Likewise, someone logging in at 8 a.m. may not log out until > 4 p.m. or log out at 9:30. > = > The not so obvious way is to do an accounting/full and look A > at all end times.  If the end time is after 10 a.m. , increment  > a counter - ugly.  > / > Maybe I'm missing the obvious way, so I post!  >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 15:04:35 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) - Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting 3 Message-ID: <RIp7VU8XaeVA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <FfVnb.4276$G1.20834@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:J > As Peter Weaver said, you can write a program that compares logon/logout > times.H > I have a program that does reporting from the accounting file. ReadingJ > through this file is not easy from DCL (fields in a record do not have aJ > fixed length) so if you'd like the program I can send it to you. You can< > start from there and keep just the bits that handle dates.J > My program is in DEC-Basic and the accounting file's structure is in the > starlet library. >   ; 	By the time I wrote it and debugged it I'd have it done in  	DCL - ugly as it would be.   H Accounting/full /since=start_time/before=end_time/type=process/out=a.out   		read each line2 		When "Process Termination" is reached, read two  		throw away lines( 		read next line into variable next_line   SUBPROCESS Process Termination  -----------------------------O Username:          USER11            UIC:               [AAAA,USER11]           O Account:           AAAA              Finish time:       29-OCT-2003 15:39:18.00 O Process ID:        208C5988          Start time:        29-OCT-2003 08:29:37.29    	Peel Finish time:  , $ finish_time = f$edit(next_line,"COMPRESS"), $ finish_time = f$element(5," ",finish_time) $ show symbol finish_time    FINISH_TIME = "15:39:18.00"	  D 	Compare finish_time to target_time if finish_time .gts. target time 	increment counter.   B 	I mean it is straight forward and ugly , just wondering if anyone6 	had something canned, but it doesn't appear that way.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:45 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: Converting Framemaker docs 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEKJIFAA.tom@kednos.com>   9 Anybody aware of any tools to convert frame documents to  3 SGML or HTML?  This is for a one time conversion.    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:34:18 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com># Subject: Re: Daylight Savings + NTP 4 Message-ID: <3f9fec10$0$10426$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  E see Larry Schuldt's thread dated 27-oct-2003 08:05 here, and replies.    D.   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  3 > I solved my Daylight Savings problem defining the 4 > logical name: SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL = "-7200".& > By the way I updated the time using: >  > $ ntpdate "myntpnode"  >  > But I did it manually ...  > A > So, why  the NTP service didnt  change the time ?  I configured A > the peers in the .CONF file and restarted it several times....   > 8 > My UCX is 5.0A. My NTP Servers are Windows NT Servers. > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2003 15:24:46 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)# Subject: Re: Daylight Savings + NTP 0 Message-ID: <bnom3u$kst$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  n In article <f30679fb.0310290540.6428f1ff@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:2 >I solved my Daylight Savings problem defining the3 >logical name: SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL = "-7200".b% >By the way I updated the time using:s >  >$ ntpdate "myntpnode" a >n >But I did it manually ... >r@ >So, why  the NTP service didnt  change the time ?  I configured@ >the peers in the .CONF file and restarted it several times....  >i7 >My UCX is 5.0A. My NTP Servers are Windows NT Servers.   O NTP knows nothing about daylight saving times. NTP synchronizes the time with afO give source but all with GMT. You should tell your NTP client the offset to GMT K so that it will adjust the local computer time accordingly. Some NTP client O software knows about DST but this is nothing inherent to NTP. I am not familiar M with UCX, so I don't know about that. With Multinet you have to tell MultinetcM about your timezone and the rules for DST. But this is outside the NTP stuff.n   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne   -- gE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452T  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot def  D-79011  Freiburg, GermanyV9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmlC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:15:27 +1300!6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>7 Subject: Re: Daylight to Standard Time Change via Batchl8 Message-ID: <qcs0qv033tk59vlrprpru6tkcei8a02m3k@4ax.com>  D On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:36:23 -0500, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:  G >On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:30:21 GMT, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:i >>I >>  Have you considered using the example DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM procedure?  > P >Yes, I did consider using DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM but, for reasons explained in myJ >subsequent, more detailed posting in this same thread, I could not use itQ >directly. Primarily because I need to control non-HP (3rd party) software around I >the time change, and DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS does not have any "hooks" for site  >customization.  >l  E I have had lots of problems with NTP on VAX, which I have now solved,n< but having all of the following performed at system startup:  5 $ define /system/exec sys$timezone_differential 46800e4 $ define /system/exec sys$timezone_daylight_saving 1, $ define /system/exec sys$timezone_name NZDT( $ @sys$manager:utc$configure_tdf set 780  C Without that last line, NTP would complain about the clock being ansA hour out. The command "TCPIP VERIFY TIME" would complain that thegC logical names didn't match with the internal settings. Running thatiC last line would fix things until the next reboot. I'm not sure whats@ the utc$configure_tdf.com procedure does which could not be doneF through those logicals, but after much mucking around I thought it was0 easiest to include it in the startup procedures.  @ Strangely enough, "TCPIP VERIFY TIME" now reports that AutomaticC daylight saving is implemented, although this is not available on aa VAX.   ---- Martin Hunt- Systems Administrator- Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:51:53 -0500j* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: Email Server for VMSe) Message-ID: <3F9FFE38.8F6754AE@istop.com>5   John wrote:bL > web running on Apache and would like to get a Email server that would work > with Outlook clients.s  K TCPIP Services comes with a POP and IMAP servers. Or you can go with bettert quality with PMDF.  G For TCPIP Services, there is no web access, however, there is a packageVK available called Yahmail which grants you this access. I know it works with F the OSU web server, I assume that it has a version for the Apache one.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 13:37:11 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)! Subject: Re: Email Server for VMSi= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0310291337.6a56d410@posting.google.com>   P "John" <me@hair.net> wrote in message news:<86Rnb.13077$d87.11601@okepread05>...K > We are in the process of moving our web/email from MS to VMS. We have theoL > web running on Apache and would like to get a Email server that would work > with Outlook clients.h > K > Also would like the ability to check the email remotely, we currently useh/ > Outlook Web Access which works with Exchange.l >  > Any ideas & help appreciated.t >  > John  I how about a free web mail product ... yahmail ... it can be downloaded atrD Mark Daniels wasd web site, and it works pretty good for free ... :)  @ along w/that pmdf with vsweep and precisemail will kill spam and2 viruses effectively ... that is at process.com ...   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 2003 16:31:25 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)! Subject: Re: Email Server for VMSy0 Message-ID: <bnoq0t$kst$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  K In article <86Rnb.13077$d87.11601@okepread05>, "John" <me@hair.net> writes:OJ >We are in the process of moving our web/email from MS to VMS. We have theK >web running on Apache and would like to get a Email server that would work  >with Outlook clients. >pJ >Also would like the ability to check the email remotely, we currently use. >Outlook Web Access which works with Exchange. >t >Any ideas & help appreciated.  L Our E-Mail-Server is Multinet, for the WEB-interface we use YahMail which isC free, the web server is OSU. Yahmail will work with Apache as well.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann0   -- mE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot dep  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmld   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:31:48 GMTP2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>! Subject: Re: Email Server for VMSe> Message-ID: <odXnb.28240$fl1.1317841@twister.southeast.rr.com>  E Contact Stalker, http://www.stalker.com, just to let them know you'reuJ migrating.  Let them know of the missed opportunity.  They are supposed toJ be porting CommuniGatePro to VMS in the near future.  Hands down it is theJ best email package I've ever used and I've used and maintained many.  It'sJ even clusterable, has customizable web user interface, has calendaring and works well with MS Outhouse.  J Of course it's available on MANY other platforms.  Not to encourage you to switch OSes.   Kene   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><c OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.orga      % "John" <me@hair.net> wrote in messageD( news:86Rnb.13077$d87.11601@okepread05...K > We are in the process of moving our web/email from MS to VMS. We have therL > web running on Apache and would like to get a Email server that would work > with Outlook clients.e >uK > Also would like the ability to check the email remotely, we currently used/ > Outlook Web Access which works with Exchange.a >l > Any ideas & help appreciated.  >  > John >a >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:01:13 -0500n* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: EV7 and HPTC:  Itanic isn't even safe there2 Message-ID: <WZOdndO-UO9x7T2iRVn-hQ@metrocast.net>  F The new 'Red Storm' computer at Sandia National Lab will be using 10K+; Opteron processors.  But an interesting paper describing itfB  http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/ccn/salishan2003/pdf/camp.pdf ) has someI performance comparisons between EV7, P4, POWER4 (not POWER4+, which would D likely compete closely with EV7 - but of course POWER4+ is a processE generation ahead of EV7, just as Madison is), and Itanic2 (McKinley).-  F Slides 51 - 54 culminate with the observation that (at least for theirE applications of interest) "The Alpha family are the clear performanceeF winners" - and the magnitude of their lead over McKinley suggests thatF they'd likely beat Madison as well.  (I think they reversed the P4 andI POWER4 results in slide 53.)  The material immediately preceding slide 51RJ also appears to show EV7 in the lead in another area, but since I couldn'tL find a "Sam Key" benchmark at spec.org I'm not exactly sure how to interpret	 the data./   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:40:39 -0500u) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!9 Message-ID: <YK%nb.4396$Nm6.272958@news20.bellglobal.com>t  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagep# news:3F9F46BB.319A705A@istop.com...r > jlsue wrote: > K > At least, if they had done EV7 and EV79 right, it would have helped build-B > badly needed trust between HP and its newsly acquired customers. PurposefullyA > limiting Alpha to save Carly's butt is very bad for HP's image.- >-  N Some others have mentioned that IBM informed HP that IBM was unable to support, the manufacturing process required for EV79.  M Three days ago in the biz section of the Toronto Star, I read how a marketing1N war has developed between HP and IBM. The article stated that IBM sales peopleJ usually get a 5% commission but this figure is doubled if "an IBM platformN either replaces HP equipment" or "IBM out manoeuvres HP in a competitive bid".  N If this is what is really going on then maybe IBM doesn't want to produce EV79J for fear that it will keep breaking speed records that IBM feels should be held by IBM's Power line.d  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,: Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:12:52 -08003# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>c$ Subject: RE: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEELGIFAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- / >From: Neil Rieck [mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca]l* >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:41 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!n >d >b >e8 >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message$ >news:3F9F46BB.319A705A@istop.com... >> jlsue wrote:e >>L >> At least, if they had done EV7 and EV79 right, it would have helped buildC >> badly needed trust between HP and its newsly acquired customers.c
 >PurposefullyvB >> limiting Alpha to save Carly's butt is very bad for HP's image. >> >.= >Some others have mentioned that IBM informed HP that IBM wasE >unable to support- >the manufacturing process required for EV79.P >eB >Three days ago in the biz section of the Toronto Star, I read how >a marketingB >war has developed between HP and IBM. The article stated that IBM
 >sales people1K >usually get a 5% commission but this figure is doubled if "an IBM platformC= >either replaces HP equipment" or "IBM out manoeuvres HP in ab >competitive bid". >cB >If this is what is really going on then maybe IBM doesn't want to
 >produce EV793K >for fear that it will keep breaking speed records that IBM feels should bem >held by IBM's Power line.  L That would only make sense if IBM felt that there was a chance that HP wouldG continue the alpha line.  OTOH the Power PC quite outperforms the Alpha  anyway   >  >Neil Rieck  >Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >Ontario, Canada.d" >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/9 >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html  >  >w >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).sB >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >  ---h& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:26:07 -05002, From: Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!) Message-ID: <3FA092D3.235A0437@onani.org>T   Neil Rieck wrote:FP > If this is what is really going on then maybe IBM doesn't want to produce EV79L > for fear that it will keep breaking speed records that IBM feels should be > held by IBM's Power line.   J If there was a contract, then IBM would be obligated to produce them, justN like Intel was obligated to procduce Alphas for a while after Palmer let Intel> off the hook with the stealing of Alpha intellectual property.  L And if it wasn't on contract, then HP could have gone to another FAB such as Intel's, right ?  M And in terms of IBM, fabbing the fastest Alpha ever could have been seen as a I strategic advantage. It would have helped show that HP made a potentiallyc: fatal mistake in betting all its eggs on a faltering IA64.  L Yes, Alpha would have beaten Power for a little while, but since the markletL for Alpha is limited, being a dead chip rinning only OS that are either deadF or purposefully not marketed wouldn't have hurt IBM much and such hurt wouldn't have lasted very long.s   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 22:35:45 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)g$ Subject: RE: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!3 Message-ID: <CfHSr6vlHqO6@eisner.encompasserve.org>T  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEELGIFAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:l >  >  >>-----Original Message-----0 >>From: Neil Rieck [mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca]+ >>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:41 PMi >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf& >>Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!! >> >> >>9 >>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % >>news:3F9F46BB.319A705A@istop.com...w >>> jlsue wrote: >>>aM >>> At least, if they had done EV7 and EV79 right, it would have helped build D >>> badly needed trust between HP and its newsly acquired customers. >>PurposefullyC >>> limiting Alpha to save Carly's butt is very bad for HP's image.e >>>  >>> >>Some others have mentioned that IBM informed HP that IBM was >>unable to supporte. >>the manufacturing process required for EV79. >>C >>Three days ago in the biz section of the Toronto Star, I read howg
 >>a marketingrC >>war has developed between HP and IBM. The article stated that IBMt >>sales peopleL >>usually get a 5% commission but this figure is doubled if "an IBM platform> >>either replaces HP equipment" or "IBM out manoeuvres HP in a >>competitive bid".l >>  C 	HP gives a 15% additional commision on competitive replacement on mD 	IBM kit so IBM had to make a gesture in that direction.  Like many < 	things - "there is more to the picture than meets the eye."   				Rob-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:02:21 -0500M* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!) Message-ID: <3FA09B4F.4294D06A@istop.com>i   Neil Rieck wrote: P > If this is what is really going on then maybe IBM doesn't want to produce EV79L > for fear that it will keep breaking speed records that IBM feels should be > held by IBM's Power line.r  K I thought that HP was free to choose any FAB it wanted to produce Alphas ? i  L Getting the business to make the last batch of Alphas would generate profits= for IBM and take such profits away from Intel or other fabs. i  J Since Alpha is no longer strategic, and since HP doesn't market or publishJ performance for Alphas, then any EV79 performance will go unnoticed in theM marketplace, except perhaps in comments about how HP made a strategic mistakei# in going for IA64 instead of Alpha.s  M IBM could brag "see what we can do with a dead CPU, magine what we'll do withbK our Power and notice how IA64 has yet to catch up, years after HP cutsomersn' had been told IA64 owuld surpass Alpha"   L On the other hand, the quicker Alpha is seen as dead and customers forced toG switch platform, the quicker IBM can get to work to steal VMS and Tru64s( customers faced with a forced migration.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:27:52 -0800 / From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com>p$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!/ Message-ID: <vq18ar38b9cu0e@corp.supernews.com>a   JF Mezei wrote:    > Neil Rieck wrote:- > P >>If this is what is really going on then maybe IBM doesn't want to produce EV79L >>for fear that it will keep breaking speed records that IBM feels should be >>held by IBM's Power line.  >  > M > I thought that HP was free to choose any FAB it wanted to produce Alphas ?   > N > Getting the business to make the last batch of Alphas would generate profits? > for IBM and take such profits away from Intel or other fabs.    " Side note - IBM also fabs PA-RISC.   -- i
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 18:00:27 -08000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) Subject: Re: Ignore: Test Only= Message-ID: <948f0720.0310291800.3f6ca54e@posting.google.com>   c Tapani Rundgren <NoSpam@telia.com> wrote in message news:<Qstmb.31011$mU6.83481@newsb.telia.net>...  > Test of news account settingsa  : %TEST-F-WRONGNG, wrong newsgroup, please use alt.test etc.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:29:34 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")U Subject: Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't worku6 Message-ID: <00A281B9.EB359C89@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  V In article <3FA03007.1F3F6F03@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:+ >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:sK >> connection exists from the VMS side?  SET HOST/LAT reports that outbounds> >> connections are disabled on the machine I'm trying it from. >fO >I think that this is a good indication of the source of the problem. You mightiF >want to look into MC LATCP to see the status of LAT. Suspect outgoingM >connections would be disabled which woudl prevent both SET HOST/LAT and DCPSi >from going out.  H We have another LN17PS which prints via LAT fine from this same machine. >hN >LAT works at ethernet level. A bridge is OK since it bridges ethernet frames.> >A router isn't OK (unless it is a brouter (bridge and router)  B It turns out that there isn't a router between us and the printer.  % I was just wrong about the LAT thing.s   -- AlanU -- UO =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056uM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025.O ===============================================================================k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:38:21 GMTrL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")Q Subject: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't work 6 Message-ID: <00A281A2.00047CA6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   COMP.OS.VMSers --n  / OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1, Multinet 4.4 A-X, DCPS 2.1f    I We have an old LN17PS which has worked fine for years (so many years that-@ whatever documentation we had for it seems to have been lost).    M It's accessed from both VMS and Windows.  It's been sitting in the same place = for a couple of years, but hadn't been used for a few months.c  K Now VMS can't talk to it any longer.  Windows still can.  It has both a LAT>L address and an IP address.  VMS can ping it over TCP/IP, and indeed could at@ one point telnet to it (although it's now refusing connections).  N The DCPS queue is set up to talk to the LN17PS via LAT, and as I remember when3 we first set it up, that was the only way to do it.   O My suspicion is that some of the network work that's been done here in the last O months has put a router or bridge that doesn't pass LAT in between the computeroN and the printer.  Network guys say this hasn't happened, but since their firstF response was "you can ping it, that proves there's no problem" I'm not completely convinced.   ; My goal here is to get the printer working from DCPS again.r  G Is there some equivalent to Ping for LAT, where I can verify that a LATwH connection exists from the VMS side?  SET HOST/LAT reports that outbound; connections are disabled on the machine I'm trying it from.R  L I find it implausible that anything would have changed on the printer itselfN that would remove LAT connections but leave IP in place; that would be a weird way for a NIC to fail.  L However, if I can't get LAT working again, does anybody know a way to get anO LN17PS talking to DCPS over IP, and if so, can you please walk me through it inF some detail?   Thanks,P   -- Alans -- aO ===============================================================================-0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056iM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025nO ===============================================================================0   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:04:02 GMTj* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>U Subject: Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't worke5 Message-ID: <291020031603347493%paul.anderson@hp.com>s  E In article <00A281A2.00047CA6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, Alan Winston -n< SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  E > Is there some equivalent to Ping for LAT, where I can verify that a E > LAT connection exists from the VMS side?  SET HOST/LAT reports thateF > outbound connections are disabled on the machine I'm trying it from.  F I don't recall if you need outgoing LAT connections enabled to use LAT% print queues.  Don't think so though.s  / Does the LAT device you use for the LN17 exist?s  G > I find it implausible that anything would have changed on the printer F > itself that would remove LAT connections but leave IP in place; that) > would be a weird way for a NIC to fail.e  D You could print a printer configuration page from the front panel ofC the printer to see if LAT was still enabled.  The service name willM begin with DNE."  G > However, if I can't get LAT working again, does anybody know a way to.G > get an LN17PS talking to DCPS over IP, and if so, can you please walk  > me through it in some detail?   A Your DCPS$STARTUP.COM procedure has something like this as the P2  parameter for the LN17 queue:W       LTA9999: or "serial/LTA9999:"  F Replace that with "IP_RawTCP/blah" where 'blah' is the name or addressF of the LN17 printer.  Stop and start the queue and you should now have a working LN17 queue again.d   Paul   -- n  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringu   Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:28:26 GMTVL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")U Subject: Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't workt6 Message-ID: <00A281B9.C2DEB103@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <291020031603347493%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:F >In article <00A281A2.00047CA6@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, Alan Winston -= >SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  >oF >> Is there some equivalent to Ping for LAT, where I can verify that aF >> LAT connection exists from the VMS side?  SET HOST/LAT reports thatG >> outbound connections are disabled on the machine I'm trying it from.W >5G >I don't recall if you need outgoing LAT connections enabled to use LATn& >print queues.  Don't think so though. > 0 >Does the LAT device you use for the LN17 exist? > H >> I find it implausible that anything would have changed on the printerG >> itself that would remove LAT connections but leave IP in place; thatr* >> would be a weird way for a NIC to fail. >rE >You could print a printer configuration page from the front panel of D >the printer to see if LAT was still enabled.  The service name will >begin with DNE. >OH >> However, if I can't get LAT working again, does anybody know a way toH >> get an LN17PS talking to DCPS over IP, and if so, can you please walk  >> me through it in some detail? >,B >Your DCPS$STARTUP.COM procedure has something like this as the P2 >parameter for the LN17 queue: >g! >   LTA9999: or "serial/LTA9999:"c >.G >Replace that with "IP_RawTCP/blah" where 'blah' is the name or address G >of the LN17 printer.  Stop and start the queue and you should now havei >a working LN17 queue again.    D I've done some more work with this and discovered something odd.  ByL "can't print to it", I meant that I was getting "Printer Not Ready" messages0 from DCPS, which I took to mean "can't connect."   That was an error on my part.  3  K I redid the queue with IP_RawTCP and get the same errors.  _However_, if wecJ pull the network cable out of the printer, we don't get those errors; the L print job stays in "starting" mode, and the queue remains busy, at least for  the couple of minutes we try it.  J So now I think there isn't a LAT problem or a connection problem, and the L built-in print server in the LN17PS is declining to print for my VMS system,( while printing fine for Windows systems.  # Does this ring a bell with anybody?u   -- Alan5 -- @O ===============================================================================t0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:24:38 -05000* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't work worr) Message-ID: <3FA03007.1F3F6F03@istop.com>t  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:J > connection exists from the VMS side?  SET HOST/LAT reports that outbound= > connections are disabled on the machine I'm trying it from.n  N I think that this is a good indication of the source of the problem. You mightE want to look into MC LATCP to see the status of LAT. Suspect outgoingaL connections would be disabled which woudl prevent both SET HOST/LAT and DCPS from going out.o  M LAT works at ethernet level. A bridge is OK since it bridges ethernet frames. = A router isn't OK (unless it is a brouter (bridge and router)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:08:42 GMTv# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u0 Subject: Re: Live OpenVMS Teleconference/WebcastI Message-ID: <_eUnb.116042$h61.19445@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >4H >> http://www.encompassus.org/community/sigs/openvmswebcast10-30-03.html >> >>< >> Does anyone know the date on which this link went 'live'.F >> I missed it when it was first posted and now don't have enough timeF >> to get some customers (existing and NEW) to schedule time to listen	 >> to it.. >> >>E > I believe that Sue, and others, posted this well over a week ago...- >- > Barry-     My bad.e   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 19:00:54 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 0 Subject: Re: Live OpenVMS Teleconference/Webcast= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0310291900.749f92f3@posting.google.com>a  F This web cast is a VMS SIG event and is not a public event.  It is oneA of the advantages of being an Encompass member.  I am planning onlB doing them every quarter to start with.  A number of folks in thisD newsgroup said that they had a hard time seeing the value of the $90D that Encompass charges for membership.  This is one whay I am trying
 to add value.u   Suen    s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<3LRnb.52634$7B1.38901@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...aG > http://www.encompassus.org/community/sigs/openvmswebcast10-30-03.htmlY >  > ; > Does anyone know the date on which this link went 'live'.kL > I missed it when it was first posted and now don't have enough time to getE > some customers (existing and NEW) to schedule time to listen to it.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:49:42 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>rE Subject: Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is too K Message-ID: <WBWnb.105210$3f.98528@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>c  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/10/29/0921662     H "Fiorina, in a speech at Gartner's Symposium/ITxpo in Orlando, Florida.,H admitted that HP's Adaptive Enterprise has yet to be clearly defined andI remains a source of confusion for many customers--and perhaps more than ac few HP employees as well."    Holy lack of leadership Batman!!  K I guess she's still too busy burning boats behind her to clearly articulate  what it means.    L "Fiorina said she expects IT markets to grow twice as fast as the U.S. grossC domestic product, and opined that HP's biggest weakness remains itseH inability to capitalize on all the different business lines it currently
 operates."  E No wonder..... OpenVMS continues to be a mystery to the advertising &o marketing departments.    F "I think our portfolio is tuned to new opportunities. In the past theyJ operated more as separate business units," said Fiorina. "Our challenge is' to pull the portfolio closer together."-  D More MBA Marketing 101 babble.... We have to consolidate in order toC diversify so as to maximize the synergies inherent in the strategy.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:01:02 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>I Subject: Re: Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is too ) Message-ID: <3FA04698.C4DAD7A7@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:pN > "Fiorina said she expects IT markets to grow twice as fast as the U.S. gross > domestic product,L  J Flawed assumption. IT will be cyclical, but overall, will grow at the sameN rate. There is nothing magical about it anymore. Sorry Carly, but IT will growQ at the same rate as photocopiers, typewriters, office furniture grew in the past.   F The 80s and 90s saw widespread adoption of IT with smaller and smallerN businesses implementing IT solutions, and larger enterprises rolling out IT toK departments/desks. But now that this is done in the western world, IT is onrN "maintenance" mode with replacements every couple of years. There is no reason8 to think IT could grow at twice the rate as the economy.  G > No wonder..... OpenVMS continues to be a mystery to the advertising &  > marketing departments.  K My fear is that the lack of VMS marketing is not due to simple ignorance. I L think it is (and has been) a conscious decision not to market it. After all,M Carly and Curly went through great efforts to avoid mentioning VMS during thePN merger pregnancy (mentioning all others), and During that initial presentationE on adaptive enterprise, they also went through great lengths to avoid T mentioning VMS, even at the level of Peter Blackmore who knows about VMS' existance.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:32:40 +0000 (UTC)eP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)I Subject: Re: Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is toon$ Message-ID: <bnqba7$kh1$1@online.de>  
 In articleF <WBWnb.105210$3f.98528@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John  Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   " > Holy lack of leadership Batman!!  G Exactly Robin.  I think we have been misled these last few years.  Thist@ morning, I used the BATcomputer to compare images of our variousF enemies.  Remember when the Joker disappeared at the beginning of the H 90s?  [Batman Sighs heavily.]  Let's put it this way: the similarity in E the hairstyles of the Joker and Bob "GQ" Palmer is NOT a coincidence.4  ! Holy hidden-agenda hairdo Batman!'  H > "I think our portfolio is tuned to new opportunities. In the past theyL > operated more as separate business units," said Fiorina. "Our challenge is) > to pull the portfolio closer together."y  H This one seems like it comes straight from the Dilber mission-statement 
 generator.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:19:41 +0100i" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>B Subject: Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation: call for papers4 Message-ID: <3f9ff6b2$0$10406$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  Q As I said a few days ago, the next VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News letter will aF focus on: "Emulation as a solution to the VAX/VMS obsolescence issue".  O As of today, I have the following list of suppliers and their products dealing 60 with emulation and/or sources/image translation:   SRI CHARON-VAX Accelr8 OpenDCL and translatorsl Bob Supnik SIMHa Forest Edge eVAX2 HP MSVA aka DECmigrate aka VEST (for VAX to Alpha)1 HP MSAI (for Alpha to Itanium) (not yet released)   P Other vendors/suppliers are welcome. Please include data sheets and references. " and send to didier.morandi@free.fr Thanks,d   D. -- s;           Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration NewsM?        English: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdfw@        French: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdf  F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationiD    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 14:37:09 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)- Subject: Not all RZ1DB-VWs are created equal?M3 Message-ID: <aWtbtw2Xq7QI@eisner.encompasserve.org>6  @ I have, what I thought were identical, RZ1DB-VW disks in a BA356? shelf.  The labels on the exterior of the drives are the same, n= but when I started seeing errors on all the drives on the bus = right after replacing an SBB, I found that all RZ1DB-VWs may 5 _not_ be the same.  @ Seems that the "odd" drive, when stressed by backup, would cause? SCSI bus resets, which in turn would cause all the other drivesl@ on the bus to drop into, and quickly out of, mount verify.  PushA enough I/Os to the odd drive and eventually all the devices would2' fall into "mount verify mounted" state.)  > When I took at look at the drive info via sys$etc:scsi_info, I) found that the odd drive returned this...s  0 $!      Product Identification: RZ1DB-CA (C) DEC$ $!      Product Revision Level: LYJ0  & while the good drives returned this...  0 $!      Product Identification: RZ1DB-CS (C) DEC$ $!      Product Revision Level: 0307  A There were a number of other differences starting with the amountf@ of data returned from the original INQUIRY QIOW.  Unfortunately,; I don't know enough about the information the various pages ? return to know if something is misconfigured on the odd drive. y/ (The info output is about 900 lines per drive.)e  @ I tried it with a number of -CS and -CA drives and found that it? seems that the -CS drives play nice, and the -CA drives don't.  > So there is something I'm missing, but I'm not sure just what.& Any illumination would be appreciated.  A P.S. This is on a DS10L running V7.3 with all the latest patches.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:06:53 -0500 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>1 Subject: Re: Not all RZ1DB-VWs are created equal?g/ Message-ID: <vq0b1o6l9js88c@news.supernews.com>    Sounds about right   -CA is an Atlas drive (Quantum)e -CS is a Barracuda (Seagate)   DT    A "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org> wrote in message - news:aWtbtw2Xq7QI@eisner.encompasserve.org...-B > I have, what I thought were identical, RZ1DB-VW disks in a BA356@ > shelf.  The labels on the exterior of the drives are the same,? > but when I started seeing errors on all the drives on the busp> > right after replacing an SBB, I found that all RZ1DB-VWs may > _not_ be the same. >pB > Seems that the "odd" drive, when stressed by backup, would causeA > SCSI bus resets, which in turn would cause all the other drives B > on the bus to drop into, and quickly out of, mount verify.  PushC > enough I/Os to the odd drive and eventually all the devices would ) > fall into "mount verify mounted" state.l >Y@ > When I took at look at the drive info via sys$etc:scsi_info, I+ > found that the odd drive returned this...f >t2 > $!      Product Identification: RZ1DB-CA (C) DEC& > $!      Product Revision Level: LYJ0 >@( > while the good drives returned this... >E2 > $!      Product Identification: RZ1DB-CS (C) DEC& > $!      Product Revision Level: 0307 ><C > There were a number of other differences starting with the amount.B > of data returned from the original INQUIRY QIOW.  Unfortunately,= > I don't know enough about the information the various pagesm@ > return to know if something is misconfigured on the odd drive.1 > (The info output is about 900 lines per drive.)w >uB > I tried it with a number of -CS and -CA drives and found that it@ > seems that the -CS drives play nice, and the -CA drives don't.@ > So there is something I'm missing, but I'm not sure just what.( > Any illumination would be appreciated. >fC > P.S. This is on a DS10L running V7.3 with all the latest patches.k   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 19:02:54 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)61 Subject: Re: Only 37 slots left for the Boot Camp = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0310291902.4394ffb0@posting.google.com>g   We are now under 30 slots left  v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0310271033.48d7ba6b@posting.google.com>...G > If you are planning on attending please register as soon as possible.u >  > Warm Regards,l > sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:45:56 -0600t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o& Subject: Re: Read/Inquire a define/key' Message-ID: <3FA06D54.7E27D6BC@fsi.net>u  
 DXP wrote: >  > Greetings GurusW > > > I'm having a spot of bother with the following bit of DCL... > 9 > $ set terminal /application_keypad /noline_editing /logh+ > $ define /key kp1 /terminate "Hello" /log  > $!0 > $ read sys$command response /prompt = "What? " > $ show symbol response > $!+ > $ inquire/nopunctuation response "What? "d > $ show symbol response > A > ...in that the "read" command does not give the desired result,-G > whereas the "inquire" command does. I'd rather use the "read" commandm
 > to do this.< >  > Node 1> set verify > Node 1> @read_testB > $ set terminal /inquire /application_keypad /noline_editing /log* > %SET-I-TERMSET, terminal VTA2670: set to\ > VT400_SERIES,ADVANCED_VIDEO,APPLICATION_KEYPAD,PRINTER_PORT,SOFT_CHARACTERS,NOLINE_EDITING+ > $ define /key kp1 /terminate "Hello" /logi1 > %DCL-I-DEFKEY, DEFAULT key KP1 has been defineds > $!0 > $ read sys$command response /prompt = "What? "$ > What? $                <press KP1> > $ show symbol response >   RESPONSE = ""s > $!+ > $ inquire/nopunctuation response "What? "fF > What? Hello            <remove superfluous characters and press KP1> > HelloO > $ show symbol response >   RESPONSE = "HELLO" > 0 > For what it's worth, this is on OpenVMS V7.3-1  E It's been that way for as long I can remember. It's a security thing,hE mostly. Captive accounts cannot use INQUIRE because they can't accessuH command level, and INQUIRE grants access that conflicts with the idea of Captive accounts.e   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 13:44:28 -0800! From: srclosson@hotmail.com (S&V):* Subject: Resetting Process Quotas manually= Message-ID: <dfeaddfd.0310291344.38d48805@posting.google.com>e   Hi everyone,  B Problem: All of the process quotas for the system user were set toE '0'. The user thought this would allow him 'unlimited' process quota. D What actually happened is you cannot log back in the system account.  A My question. I need to reset the process quotas. I have there oldPE values, but have no idea how to reset them manually. A conversational D boot has been done, bypassing the system login and we have a command= prompt. Running authorize.exe so I can issue a 'modify systemeE /quota=...' command does not work though and gives the error message:t$ 'PROTECTED IMAGES MUST BE INSTALLED'  C Is there an easier way to modify or reset the system process quotase from this command prompt?t   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Oct 03 15:04:09 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comi. Subject: Re: Resetting Process Quotas manually( Message-ID: <mjDhh1JSbfuJ@cpva.saic.com>  = In article <dfeaddfd.0310291344.38d48805@posting.google.com>,e$  srclosson@hotmail.com (S&V) writes: > Hi everyone, > D > Problem: All of the process quotas for the system user were set toG > '0'. The user thought this would allow him 'unlimited' process quota.!F > What actually happened is you cannot log back in the system account. > C > My question. I need to reset the process quotas. I have there oldAG > values, but have no idea how to reset them manually. A conversationalaF > boot has been done, bypassing the system login and we have a command? > prompt. Running authorize.exe so I can issue a 'modify systemAG > /quota=...' command does not work though and gives the error message: & > 'PROTECTED IMAGES MUST BE INSTALLED' >   ! Try this (commands extracted fromr2 SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]VMS$INITIAL-050_VMS.COM) -  1 $define /user sys$input sys$manager:vmsimages.datk $Install := $install/nocommw $Install $Delete/Symbol install   and then run AUTHORIZE.a  E > Is there an easier way to modify or reset the system process quotasi > from this command prompt?r   -- u - Jimu   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:06:05 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9. Subject: Re: Resetting Process Quotas manually2 Message-ID: <1uZnb.8047$NJ5.3549@news.cpqcorp.net>  a In article <dfeaddfd.0310291344.38d48805@posting.google.com>, srclosson@hotmail.com (S&V) writes:k  C :Problem: All of the process quotas for the system user were set to-F :'0'. The user thought this would allow him 'unlimited' process quota.E :What actually happened is you cannot log back in the system account.e :gB :My question. I need to reset the process quotas. I have there oldF :values, but have no idea how to reset them manually. A conversationalE :boot has been done, bypassing the system login and we have a commandb> :prompt. Running authorize.exe so I can issue a 'modify systemF :/quota=...' command does not work though and gives the error message:% :'PROTECTED IMAGES MUST BE INSTALLED's :iD :Is there an easier way to modify or reset the system process quotas :from this command prompt?    I   Please review the section on this topic in the OpenVMS Frequently AskedaE   Questions (FAQ).  The specific section of interest here is entitledoH   "I've forgotten the SYSTEM password - what can I do?", and it includesH   how to operate AUTHORIZE in this environment.  The FAQ includes one ofG   the ways you can get the necessary images installed, though certainlyH   not the only way available.h  G   If you want to spend a little more manual effort to achieve the goal,bF   use the shareable image name that is reported by the image activatorF   as part of the error, and issue an INSTALL CREATE /OPEN/PROT commandH   specifying the image referenced.  Retry the AUTHORIZE command.  Repeat"   this command sequence as needed.  F   Attached below is an example of SYSTEM username settings from one of4   the local systems, once you get AUTHORIZE running.  H   I would also consider removing all enhanced privileges associated withF   "the user" that was mentioned in your posting, or I would change theE   SYSTEM username password for the particular system involved if that.C   were the username involved in originally making the quota change.f    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqgN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com1     --  A Username: SYSTEM                           Owner:  SYSTEM MANAGER0C Account:  SYSTEM                           UIC:    [1,4] ([SYSTEM])E< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES Default:  SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] LGICMD:   LOGINr Flags: ..9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       300  Bytlm:        32768t9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0l9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:        40  JTquota:       4096c9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:        40  WSdef:          256I9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:        50  WSquo:          512m9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        40  WSextent:      2048l9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:       300  Pgflquo:      40960o Authorized Privileges:I   ACNT         ALLSPOOL     ALTPRI       AUDIT        BUGCHK       BYPASSAH   CMEXEC       CMKRNL       DIAGNOSE     DOWNGRADE    EXQUOTA      GROUPH   GRPNAM       GRPPRV       IMPERSONATE  IMPORT       LOG_IO       MOUNTI   NETMBX       OPER         PFNMAP       PHY_IO       PRMCEB       PRMGBL H   PRMMBX       PSWAPM       READALL      SECURITY     SETPRV       SHAREI   SHMEM        SYSGBL       SYSLCK       SYSNAM       SYSPRV       TMPMBXe!   UPGRADE      VOLPRO       WORLDn Default Privileges:oI   ACNT         ALLSPOOL     ALTPRI       AUDIT        BUGCHK       BYPASS H   CMEXEC       CMKRNL       DIAGNOSE     DOWNGRADE    EXQUOTA      GROUPH   GRPNAM       GRPPRV       IMPERSONATE  IMPORT       LOG_IO       MOUNTI   NETMBX       OPER         PFNMAP       PHY_IO       PRMCEB       PRMGBLcH   PRMMBX       PSWAPM       READALL      SECURITY     SETPRV       SHAREI   SHMEM        SYSGBL       SYSLCK       SYSNAM       SYSPRV       TMPMBX>!   UPGRADE      VOLPRO       WORLDc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:24:03 +0100s" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>J Subject: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe4 Message-ID: <3f9ff7b8$0$10417$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  D I tried to go from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3 using the vmsinstal procedure.? I answered NO to the "are you doing a rolling update" question.r4 I asked for DECnet Phase IV and all default options.# Then I went until the reboot phase.M5 At the reboot phase, after the welcome banner, I get:   M %EXECINIT, error loading system file - SYS$NETWORK_SERVICES.EXE R0 = 00000910I ?06 HLT INST      PC = 80C9A861   and the reboot session loops. 	 Any idea?    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:48:07 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>N Subject: Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe+ Message-ID: <r3Tnb.77725$EO3.5686@clgrps13>o  F It's been several years since we migrated off VAX 6.2, but I think we  went to 7.1 directly.nF I don't think you can make more than 2 hops: 6.2 > (skip 7.0) > 7.1.   Then go 7.1 > (skip 7.2) > 7.3.-   Didier Morandi wrote:   F > I tried to go from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3 using the vmsinstal procedure.A > I answered NO to the "are you doing a rolling update" question.c6 > I asked for DECnet Phase IV and all default options.% > Then I went until the reboot phase. 7 > At the reboot phase, after the welcome banner, I get:  >oG > %EXECINIT, error loading system file - SYS$NETWORK_SERVICES.EXE R0 = h
 > 00000910 > ?06 HLT INST >     PC = 80C9A861d >  > and the reboot session loops.s > Any idea?l >  > D. >A   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:58:12 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>N Subject: Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe) Message-ID: <3F9FFFB2.46E01765@istop.com>t   Didier Morandi wrote:e > F > I tried to go from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3 using the vmsinstal procedure.  @ Can you go there directly ? I know one could go to 7.2 from 6.1.  6 > I asked for DECnet Phase IV and all default options.  K Isn't DECNET4 now installed as a separate product with that PRODUCT commands  instead of good old VMSINSTALL ?   > Any idea?A  $ Christie Brinkley in a bathing suit.  % (well, you did ask for "any" idea...)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:30:49 +0100o" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>N Subject: Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe2 Message-ID: <3fa00759$0$237$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  6 Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40 wrote:F > Tu es sr de pouvoir passer directement de 6.2  7.3 sans faire une  > station en 7.0 ou en 7.1 ? t  I If I'm sure to be allowed to go from 6.2 to 7.3? Well I do hope that the M proc would have told me...   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:30:04 +1300t6 From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.REMOVE.co.nz>N Subject: Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe8 Message-ID: <ait0qvc5ppj1b3qvnmrumiikbt50nbj65l@4ax.com>  , On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:58:12 -0500, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Didier Morandi wrote: >> tG >> I tried to go from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3 using the vmsinstal procedure.u >cA >Can you go there directly ? I know one could go to 7.2 from 6.1.@  @ According to the upgrade and installation manual you can upgradeC directly. For versions prior to 6.2 you have to use an intermediatee version. >t7 >> I asked for DECnet Phase IV and all default options.t >sL >Isn't DECNET4 now installed as a separate product with that PRODUCT command! >instead of good old VMSINSTALL ?D  = It's a separate install kit, but is called by the VMS upgradenC procedure, towards the end of the upgrade. I did find when I did aneD upgrade earlier this year, that the DECnet kit had to be in the same( directory as the VMS kit (ie, [000000]). >. >> Any idea? >>     ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administratorw Fairfax New Zealand Limitedf
 Wellington New ZealandS   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:58:50 -0600m. From: Dave Mendez <dhmendez@mail.cinvestav.mx> Subject: VAX/VMS 5.5-2H49 Message-ID: <bnq5m5$1485sc$1@ID-80684.news.uni-berlin.de>o  G I'm looking for a document about VMS hardening, or VMS Security FAQ or iD something related to that, Do you have any idea where I can get one? Thanks in advancew Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:02:30 -0600l. From: Dave Mendez <dhmendez@mail.cinvestav.mx>+ Subject: VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 Security Hardeningr9 Message-ID: <bnq5t1$1485sc$2@ID-80684.news.uni-berlin.de>t  G I'm looking for a document about VMS hardening, or VMS Security FAQ or  D something related to that, Do you have any idea where I can get one? Thanks in advance= Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:30:43 GMTo- From: hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9E Subject: Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloria 1 Message-ID: <7kWnb.8022$kl5.320@news.cpqcorp.net>=  d In article <3F9F2054.9050202@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:C :Hoff, do you suppose you could get this added to the FAQ or Wizard / :answers in case anyone else hits this problem?h  I   Having done some more digging, the official answer is to always use the8J   PBXGA-BA/BN or PBXGA-CA/CN ZLXp-E* series graphics controller cards onlyJ   with a DIGITAL-supplied BC13L-10 or BC14J-10 series video signal cable. L   What you are seeing -- the ghosting -- can be a known and expected problemK   if a another cable is used.  If you purchase one of these graphics cards,b0   you will want to ensure you receive the cable.  G   It would not surprise me that the cables manipulate the ground, but IyI   do not know that -- and I haven't dug through my stash of cables to see.I   if I have one of these available for some continuity testing.  I'm also(J   not in a particular position to recommend a solution based on soldering,*   but y'all probably guessed that already.  I :Now I have just one remaining question: Why does "Style Manager - Color"hG :not allow me to change colors (the "Modify" button is greyed out) withs= :the ZLXp-E2, but does allow it with the Elsa and ATI boards?m     Donno.  Not enough planes?    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comm   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 16:09:31 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)uE Subject: Re: Video "ringing" with PBXGA but not Mach64 or Elsa Gloriad3 Message-ID: <ouFqvNvfAuxk@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  d In article <3F9FEA39.8060405@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes: > Alan Frisbie wrote:t > I >> BINGO!   That was it!   Even though an ohmmeter showed zero resistancedE >> between the three analog grounds (pins 6, 7, & 8), a small wire (I=E >> used 30ga wire-wrap wire) soldered across all three pins cured theOI >> problem.   Now I can use the ZLXp-E2 at all 1280x1024 rates, including ? >> the most "agressive", setting 13 (80 KHz Horiz, 75 Hz Vert)., > B > Just to be complete, I should add that before adding the wire, IA > tried Hoff's suggestion that I test other switch settings (i.e.-C > different scan rates) on the ZLXp-E2.   No matter what the switchl+ > setting, the video ringing still occured.:  G    Where the ground is located can be quite important at the data rates D    your getting over that cable.  I've seen lots of data cables ringC    when common ground was over 3 feet away from the end of a cable.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:28 -0500a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: VMS v8.2 has a name) Message-ID: <3F9FFAD8.F60A8171@istop.com>    INFORMENTOR AB wrote:e4 > "hp OpenVMS Industry Standard 64..." (for Itanium)    J Is this an official announcement that VMS is being ported to 64 but 8086 ?5 8086 is still the industry standard as far as I know.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Oct 2003 16:06:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n  Subject: Re: VMS v8.2 has a name3 Message-ID: <GJIc1PvIbprX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3F9FDB41.1030402@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:AI > Naw, I personally have always hated the Open non-sense, how about just:, > 
 > hp IA64/VMS  >   5    I find I64/VMS less clumsy.  But iVMS even faster.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.601 ************************