1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 30 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 602       Contents: Re: A new processor for VMS . Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer. Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting DECterm/eXcursion questions  RE: Email Server for VMS Re: Email Server for VMS Re: Email Server for VMS/ Re: EV7 and HPTC:  Itanic isn't even safe there / Re: EV7 and HPTC:  Itanic isn't even safe there  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!! L Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't workL Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't workP Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't work wor MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha@ Re: Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is too, patches for Radeon for older versions of VMS0 Re: patches for Radeon for older versions of VMSG Pathworks 32 on Windows XP mapping to shares on OpenVMS Advanced Server K RE: Pathworks 32 on Windows XP mapping to shares on OpenVMS Advanced Server  Re: Read/Inquire a define/key  SHO FRU from DCL) SN-BA26R-RA => XP1000 Rack Mounting Shelf E Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe E Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe P Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       P VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:         caP Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       P Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       P Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       & Re: VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 Security Hardening& Re: VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 Security Hardening VESTing BILF Re: VESTing BILF Re: VESTing BILF Re: VESTing BILF Re: VESTing BILF [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX? # Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX? # Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX? # Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX? # Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 07:25:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: A new processor for VMS3 Message-ID: <lWpO9K7DktFa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <i4Znb.56677$7B1.34232@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >>G >>    But I do know some applications that might make good use of this.  >  > JStars???   0    I don't work for that side of the government.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 09:07:49 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer - Message-ID: <3fa0c6d5$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   ; In article <3FA08D27.5070405@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr."  <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >Hoff Hoffman wrote: > 4 >>In article <vpva3dshmqi0bc@corp.supernews.com>, Z ! ><zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: G >>:Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote: 1 >>:: To get rid off all file conversion problems: I >>:: Burn CDs under OpenVMS. cdrecord + lddriver is available at no cost.  >>: 2 >>:CD burners are not (available at no extra cost) >>J >>  New CD-R recorders are cheap, and getting cheaper.  Entry-level pricesH >>  for a new ATAPI CD-R drive appear to be around US$35 to US$45, based >on J >>  a quick search.  Used or slower or older or close-out CD recorders areE >>  accordingly even cheaper than that and particularly if you have a J >>  computer parts salvage house around, or are willing to wade through anJ >>  on-line auction, or if somebody you know is retiring an older computer >>  with an older burner, etc. >>   >>J >Hoff, the original post was for VAXstations running 5.5, now how are IDE F >drives going to be a practical solution?  They aren't, at best you'd H >need SCSI which are more costly, much more, and at that rev of VMS, if J >you could even get cdrecord and the drivers running, I suspect you would * >have more coasters than good data CD's... >  >Barry >  >--  > ? >Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com ? >Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320 ? >Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028  >                        >  >  >  >    Barry,  > The coaster problem is gone because nowadays all drives have a@ "burnproof"/"buffer underrun" option. One update of cdrecord.comC did introduce this by default ("driveropts=burnproof"). This was my @ proposal and I'm thankful that the code was changed accordingly.  F If you consider to buy a optical drive for a VAX with a SCSI connectorC you should think about a DVD-burner. The price is now 100-150 Euro. : So this is only two times more expensive than a CD burner.  D DVD burner can burn CD-R(W), too. DVD have a capacity of 4,37 GB vs.< 700 MB of a CDR(W). Next year a 8.5 GB burner will come out.  $ Maybe you haven't read this posting:  E =====================================================================  From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann    Date: 2003-06-06 04:47:53 PST   	 Hi Folks,   B just an info about my test of *DVDwrite* using a old MicroVAX and  *VAX*/VMS 5.5-2.   eberhardG =======================================================================  Environment:G ======================================================================= & MicroVAX 3600 + KZQSA-SCSI-Controller 9               + *VAX*/VMS V5.5-2/SCSI-Patch VAXSCSI03_061  or> VAXstation 4000-60 + *VAX*/VMS V5.5-2/SCSI-Patch VAXSCSI03_061G =======================================================================  Here's a session-log: G ======================================================================= 6 $ mc sysgen conn gka200:/noadapter/driver=gkdriver.exe $ mou/for dka400: ; %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, VG5SYS       mounted on _$2$DKA400: (V02)  $ sh dev gka  . Device                  Device           Error.  Name                   Status           Count. GKA200:                 Online               0 $ set def $1$dua0:[*dvdwrite*]! $ mc []*dvdwrite* dka400: gka200:      DVR Vendor:  SONY       DVR Product: DVD RW DRU-500A     FW Version:  2.0f      *DVDwrite* Version 2.02 $ Mounted media appears to be a DVD-R.#  Capacity of media: 9191552 blocks. 	  1 % done  . [snip]  100 % done    ELAPSED TIME =    0 01:26:58.74  CPU TIME = 0:28:39.29  BUFFERED I/O COUNT = 108   DIRECT I/O COUNT = 70304   PAGE FAULT COUNT = 68G =======================================================================    Eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:49:12 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 7 Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer ' Message-ID: <3FA124E8.2050605@MMaz.com>    Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:  % >Maybe you haven't read this posting:  > " >$ mc []*dvdwrite* dka400: gka200: >    DVR Vendor:  SONY! >    DVR Product: DVD RW DRU-500A  >    FW Version:  2.0f >    *DVDwrite* Version 2.02% >Mounted media appears to be a DVD-R. $ > Capacity of media: 9191552 blocks.
 > 1 % done > [snip] > 100 % done! > ELAPSED TIME =    0 01:26:58.74  > CPU TIME = 0:28:39.29  > BUFFERED I/O COUNT = 108 > DIRECT I/O COUNT = 70304 > PAGE FAULT COUNT = 68 H >======================================================================= > 	 >Eberhard  >    >  Dazed and amazed!    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 03:31:48 -0800- From: pfleging.lka@ekkw.de (pfleging.michael) - Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting = Message-ID: <b8cd107b.0310300331.3075ac44@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<PckQLHF86sVv@eisner.encompasserve.org>...< > I'm trying to determine a way to find out concurrent users > 	at a certain time.    > F > 	Question:  Using accounting how to get concurrent users at 10 a.m.? > E > 	I'm lacking the insight today and don't feel like grinding it out.  >    Why using accounting?   ) Write a DCL procedure with something like    $ SHOW USERS/FULL                           or    $ SET LOGIN/INTERACTIVE                           or    $ SHOW LICENSE/USAGE/FULL   5 then submit it for 10 a.m. and take a look at the log         Michael   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 07:44:00 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) - Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting 3 Message-ID: <WqFd9nuyVVM1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <b8cd107b.0310300331.3075ac44@posting.google.com>, pfleging.lka@ekkw.de (pfleging.michael) writes: h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<PckQLHF86sVv@eisner.encompasserve.org>...= >> I'm trying to determine a way to find out concurrent users  >> 	at a certain time.   >>  G >> 	Question:  Using accounting how to get concurrent users at 10 a.m.?  >>  F >> 	I'm lacking the insight today and don't feel like grinding it out. >>   >  > Why using accounting?  > + > Write a DCL procedure with something like  >  > $ SHOW USERS/FULL  >                          or   5 	Okay.  I guess I just have to hop in my Time Machine > 	and go back to Sept 1 at 10 a.m. and run that command.  MaybeF 	on Monday.  The Time Machine is in the shop for periodic maintenance.	 	Sheeesh.  				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 08:53:44 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org- Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting 3 Message-ID: <oi$KT+0979nj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <RIp7VU8XaeVA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: b > In article <FfVnb.4276$G1.20834@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:K >> As Peter Weaver said, you can write a program that compares logon/logout 	 >> times. I >> I have a program that does reporting from the accounting file. Reading K >> through this file is not easy from DCL (fields in a record do not have a K >> fixed length) so if you'd like the program I can send it to you. You can = >> start from there and keep just the bits that handle dates. K >> My program is in DEC-Basic and the accounting file's structure is in the  >> starlet library.  >>   > = > 	By the time I wrote it and debugged it I'd have it done in  > 	DCL - ugly as it would be.  > J > Accounting/full /since=start_time/before=end_time/type=process/out=a.out >  > 		read each line4 > 		When "Process Termination" is reached, read two  > 		throw away lines* > 		read next line into variable next_line >   > SUBPROCESS Process Termination  > ------------------------------Q > Username:          USER11            UIC:               [AAAA,USER11]           Q > Account:           AAAA              Finish time:       29-OCT-2003 15:39:18.00 Q > Process ID:        208C5988          Start time:        29-OCT-2003 08:29:37.29  >  > 	Peel Finish time: > . > $ finish_time = f$edit(next_line,"COMPRESS"). > $ finish_time = f$element(5," ",finish_time) > $ show symbol finish_time   >   FINISH_TIME = "15:39:18.00"	 > F > 	Compare finish_time to target_time if finish_time .gts. target time > 	increment counter.  > D > 	I mean it is straight forward and ugly , just wondering if anyone8 > 	had something canned, but it doesn't appear that way.  3 Right concept.  But you're sampling the wrong time.   D You want to do accounting /FULL /SINCE=TARGET_TIME /BEFORE=right-now  G That's because accounting records are written when processes terminate,  not when they start.  A For every process that has terminated since your target time, you C want to know if that process had started prior to that target time. " If so, you count it.  If not, not.  C To this total you must then add all currently active processes that E started prior to the target time.  These processes have no accounting  record on file yet.   D And you might give a few second's thought to race conditions where a5 process terminates while you are running this script.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:58:25 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>- Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting 3 Message-ID: <7Pcob.4366$G1.21008@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   I For doing that in DCL, see the $ACRDEF definition is the starlet library.    --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- B "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> a crit dans le message de- news:RIp7VU8XaeVA@eisner.encompasserve.org... ? > In article <FfVnb.4276$G1.20834@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" " <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:L > > As Peter Weaver said, you can write a program that compares logon/logout
 > > times.J > > I have a program that does reporting from the accounting file. ReadingL > > through this file is not easy from DCL (fields in a record do not have aL > > fixed length) so if you'd like the program I can send it to you. You can> > > start from there and keep just the bits that handle dates.L > > My program is in DEC-Basic and the accounting file's structure is in the > > starlet library. > >  > < > By the time I wrote it and debugged it I'd have it done in > DCL - ugly as it would be. > J > Accounting/full /since=start_time/before=end_time/type=process/out=a.out >  > read each line1 > When "Process Termination" is reached, read two  > throw away lines( > read next line into variable next_line >   > SUBPROCESS Process Termination  > ------------------------------G > Username:          USER11            UIC:               [AAAA,USER11] E > Account:           AAAA              Finish time:       29-OCT-2003  15:39:18.00 E > Process ID:        208C5988          Start time:        29-OCT-2003  08:29:37.29  >  > Peel Finish time:  > . > $ finish_time = f$edit(next_line,"COMPRESS"). > $ finish_time = f$element(5," ",finish_time) > $ show symbol finish_time  >   FINISH_TIME = "15:39:18.00"  > E > Compare finish_time to target_time if finish_time .gts. target time  > increment counter. > C > I mean it is straight forward and ugly , just wondering if anyone 7 > had something canned, but it doesn't appear that way.  >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 09:22:36 -0800) From: daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson) $ Subject: DECterm/eXcursion questions= Message-ID: <de4cfd03.0310300922.3537631a@posting.google.com>   E When I paste into a DECterm window running on eXcursion/Windows 2000, ) I always get two newlines instead of one.    If I copy this from Notepad  " 
 first line second line  "   " I get this when I paste in DECterm " 
 first line   second line    "   C Is there an option or something I can do to change this behaviour ?   B How can I specify a port other than the default 6000 in eXcursion?   Regards  Daniel Gustafsson # http://developer.mimer.se/downloads    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:05:31 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ! Subject: RE: Email Server for VMS R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17C187@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   >=20 > -----Original Message-----$ > From: John [mailto:me@hair.net]=20! > Sent: October 29, 2003 10:32 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >=20B > We are in the process of moving our web/email from MS to VMS.=20> > We have the web running on Apache and would like to get a=204 > Email server that would work with Outlook clients. >=20@ > Also would like the ability to check the email remotely, we=20= > currently use Outlook Web Access which works with Exchange.  >=20 > Any ideas & help appreciated.  >=20 > John >=20 >=20   John,   5 Check out: (allows Outlook clients to access as well)  http://www.process.com/ & http://www.process.com/tcpip/pmdf.html0 http://www.process.com/precisemail/antispam.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:15:24 +0100  From: "Joop" <J.Daam@planet.nl> ! Subject: Re: Email Server for VMS , Message-ID: <3fa0f346$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H For a WebBased Email server you could check Quintara, check out the site http://www.networkunity.com/   Regards,   Jo!   % "John" <me@hair.net> wrote in message ( news:86Rnb.13077$d87.11601@okepread05...K > We are in the process of moving our web/email from MS to VMS. We have the L > web running on Apache and would like to get a Email server that would work > with Outlook clients.  > K > Also would like the ability to check the email remotely, we currently use / > Outlook Web Access which works with Exchange.  >  > Any ideas & help appreciated.  >  > John >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:20:54 +0300 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>! Subject: Re: Email Server for VMS 3 Message-ID: <CD318AC83516D083E75D0D425B4E675E@nntp>   C WASD as HTTP Server and yahMail as WEB-frontent for VMS mailbox-es:  	http://wasd.vsm.com.au/   John wrote:   K > We are in the process of moving our web/email from MS to VMS. We have the L > web running on Apache and would like to get a Email server that would work > with Outlook clients.  > K > Also would like the ability to check the email remotely, we currently use / > Outlook Web Access which works with Exchange.  >  > Any ideas & help appreciated.  >  > John >  >  >    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:20:16 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 8 Subject: Re: EV7 and HPTC:  Itanic isn't even safe there' Message-ID: <3FA0D7D0.B28B73E4@aaa.com>   1 As a Swede, and distantly related to the Vikings, 0 I find the "THOR'S HAMMER" name very suitable... :-) 	 Jan-Erik.    Bill Todd wrote: > 8 > The new 'Red Storm' computer at Sandia National Lab...9 >  http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/ccn/salishan2003/pdf/camp.pdf    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:40:57 GMT , From: "P.Lj" <plj@MAROONPbyron.ext.telia.se>8 Subject: Re: EV7 and HPTC:  Itanic isn't even safe there@ Message-ID: <Xns9424955D678EEplj69byronextteliase@195.67.237.53>  I Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in news:3FA0D7D0.B28B73E4@aaa.com:   3 > As a Swede, and distantly related to the Vikings, 2 > I find the "THOR'S HAMMER" name very suitable... >:-) > Jan-Erik.  >  > Bill Todd wrote: >>  9 >> The new 'Red Storm' computer at Sandia National Lab... : >>  http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/ccn/salishan2003/pdf/camp.pdf >      Are you a vegetable ? + http://www.bordglas.ie/vegetables/swede.htm   	 >>> ^P.Lj    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:58:39 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!2 Message-ID: <2cqdnZ3TiLdfTz2iRVn-gw@metrocast.net>  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:YK%nb.4396$Nm6.272958@news20.bellglobal.com...  > 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:3F9F46BB.319A705A@istop.com...  > > jlsue wrote: > > G > > At least, if they had done EV7 and EV79 right, it would have helped  build D > > badly needed trust between HP and its newsly acquired customers. > PurposefullyC > > limiting Alpha to save Carly's butt is very bad for HP's image.  > >  >  > Some others have mentioned  % I think the proper term is 'claimed'.   4  that IBM informed HP that IBM was unable to support. > the manufacturing process required for EV79. > E > Three days ago in the biz section of the Toronto Star, I read how a 	 marketing I > war has developed between HP and IBM. The article stated that IBM sales  peopleL > usually get a 5% commission but this figure is doubled if "an IBM platformJ > either replaces HP equipment" or "IBM out manoeuvres HP in a competitive bid".  > K > If this is what is really going on then maybe IBM doesn't want to produce  EV79L > for fear that it will keep breaking speed records that IBM feels should be > held by IBM's Power line.   I Since HP doesn't choose to publicize Alpha performance anyway, it's a bit ; difficult to understand why IBM would be worrying about it.   J Besides, that's not the way IBM works (at least for the past decade).  IBMK Microelectronics is an essentially independent division that fabs chips for 4 anyone who wants them to, and welcomes the business.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:59:47 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!8 Message-ID: <Ia6ob.7271$Tf.900600@news20.bellglobal.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:CfHSr6vlHqO6@eisner.encompasserve.org...  <snip> > C > HP gives a 15% additional commision on competitive replacement on D > IBM kit so IBM had to make a gesture in that direction.  Like many= > things - "there is more to the picture than meets the eye."  >  > Rob  >   C Yes. This fact was mentioned in the "Toronto Star" article as well.   L Maybe I've been watching the X-files for far too long but I can just see IBMN pulling a stunt like this. On the other hand, HP could be spreading this rumorL in order to kill Alpha early and take less heat for their actions. As othersD have already pointed out, HP could go shopping for an alternate FAB.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 07:35:36 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!3 Message-ID: <IS7$kXdCDnFC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FA09B4F.4294D06A@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Neil Rieck wrote: Q >> If this is what is really going on then maybe IBM doesn't want to produce EV79 M >> for fear that it will keep breaking speed records that IBM feels should be  >> held by IBM's Power line. > M > I thought that HP was free to choose any FAB it wanted to produce Alphas ?    E    I think EV68 and later are depending on IBM's copper process.  I'm H    sure IBM would move to protect any direct challenge to what is surelyH    a patented process.  It may be too expensive or technically difficult.    to fab EV7 et.al. with a different process.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:36:18 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!, Message-ID: <3FA121E2.6040009@tsoft-inc.com>   Neil Rieck wrote:   : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:CfHSr6vlHqO6@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > <snip> > C >>HP gives a 15% additional commision on competitive replacement on D >>IBM kit so IBM had to make a gesture in that direction.  Like many= >>things - "there is more to the picture than meets the eye."  >> >>Rob  >> >> > E > Yes. This fact was mentioned in the "Toronto Star" article as well.  > N > Maybe I've been watching the X-files for far too long but I can just see IBMP > pulling a stunt like this. On the other hand, HP could be spreading this rumorN > in order to kill Alpha early and take less heat for their actions. As othersF > have already pointed out, HP could go shopping for an alternate FAB.  Q It's my understanding that the IBM FAB has to stand on it's own, to some extent,  Q and if they aren't busy, it's their bottom line that gets hurt, and their people  P who don't get bonuses, and perhaps do get pink slips.  To them, a customer is a  customer, is a customer, .....  N According to the settlement way back when DEC accused Intel of stealing trade O secrets from Alpha for PII, Intel bought DEC's FAB, and was to mfg Alpha CPUs.  N I cannot resist adding that if Intel is so good, then why aren't they fabbing % Alphas?  Then there's always Samsung.   N While I have nothing to base it upon, I believe that IBM could easily fab the K chip, and that HP either doesn't want to produce it for reasons of cost or  O overshadowing IA-64, or HP cannot produce it for the reason of losing too many  Q engineers, either through layoffs, or engineers leaving for a better position as   such become available to them.  O A very interesting question would be "how many EV7 engineers were there before  N Alpha was killed, and how many are there with HP today?"  As was said before, Q "it's the people" that make things happen.  Maybe HP no longer has the people to   do EV7.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:31:42 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!0 Message-ID: <bnredf$4h3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:CfHSr6vlHqO6@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > <snip> > C >>HP gives a 15% additional commision on competitive replacement on D >>IBM kit so IBM had to make a gesture in that direction.  Like many= >>things - "there is more to the picture than meets the eye."  >> >>Rob  >> >  > E > Yes. This fact was mentioned in the "Toronto Star" article as well.  > N > Maybe I've been watching the X-files for far too long but I can just see IBMP > pulling a stunt like this. On the other hand, HP could be spreading this rumorN > in order to kill Alpha early and take less heat for their actions. As othersF > have already pointed out, HP could go shopping for an alternate FAB. >   " Tricky decision who do you beleive  " HP             or              IBM     Regards  Andrew Harrison  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ : > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:44:23 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!H Message-ID: <Hdbob.67533$7B1.23544@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote: ; >> "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message 0 >> news:CfHSr6vlHqO6@eisner.encompasserve.org...	 >> <snip>  >>E >>> HP gives a 15% additional commision on competitive replacement on F >>> IBM kit so IBM had to make a gesture in that direction.  Like many? >>> things - "there is more to the picture than meets the eye."  >>>  >>> Rob  >>>  >> >>F >> Yes. This fact was mentioned in the "Toronto Star" article as well. >>G >> Maybe I've been watching the X-files for far too long but I can just D >> see IBM pulling a stunt like this. On the other hand, HP could beG >> spreading this rumor in order to kill Alpha early and take less heat E >> for their actions. As others have already pointed out, HP could go ! >> shopping for an alternate FAB.  >> > $ > Tricky decision who do you beleive > $ > HP             or              IBM    I Seems to me that when IBM plays Russian Roulette they use a revolver with A one bullet. When HP plays, they use an automatic with one bullet.    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Oct 2003 08:21:23 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)U Subject: Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't work 0 Message-ID: <bnqhm3$936$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   In article <00A281B9.C2DEB103@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  > E >I've done some more work with this and discovered something odd.  By M >"can't print to it", I meant that I was getting "Printer Not Ready" messages 1 >from DCPS, which I took to mean "can't connect."  >   >That was an error on my part.   > L >I redid the queue with IP_RawTCP and get the same errors.  _However_, if weK >pull the network cable out of the printer, we don't get those errors; the  M >print job stays in "starting" mode, and the queue remains busy, at least for ! >the couple of minutes we try it.  > K >So now I think there isn't a LAT problem or a connection problem, and the  M >built-in print server in the LN17PS is declining to print for my VMS system, ) >while printing fine for Windows systems.  > $ >Does this ring a bell with anybody?  N Still too many possibilities. Print a config sheet of the printer, compare theO settings with your LAT setup. In addition you could move your second printer to M the place where the problem printer is and connect this second printer. If it % works you are sure about the network.   H By the way: to telnet to such a printer you need to telnet to port 2048.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:41:27 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>U Subject: Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't work 5 Message-ID: <301020031043300550%paul.anderson@hp.com>   E In article <00A281B9.C2DEB103@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, Alan Winston - < SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  M > I redid the queue with IP_RawTCP and get the same errors.  _However_, if we L > pull the network cable out of the printer, we don't get those errors; the N > print job stays in "starting" mode, and the queue remains busy, at least for" > the couple of minutes we try it.   Try either:   F  - setting the LN17 language mode to PostScript (it's probably now set    to Auto or PCL)A  - define the following logical name and stop and start the queue 8       $ DEFINE /SYSTEM /EXEC DCPS$queuename_NO_SYNC TRUE   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:53:56 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: LAT ping? or, how do I run a DCPS queue to an LN17PS if LAT doesn't work wor ) Message-ID: <3FA14221.F386AB23@istop.com>    A couple of ideas:  J Is it possible that there might be a smart switch between the host and the? "faulty" printer and that they are defined in different VLANs ?     2 2- TO test connectivity, you can do the following:  6 STOP/QUEUE/RESET queuename		(to release the LTAdevice)   SET HOST/DTE LTAxxx:U (set host/lat expects a service name, and printers don't broadcast LAT service names)   & then, you must blindly type (no echo):   (Hello World\n) print flush   D The printer should respond with "Hello World" back on your terminal.  K If you don't get the output and you are sure you typed everything properly, K perhaps the printer isn't set for postscript. You can disconnect, reconnect  and try the following: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 (Hello World\n) print flush   M The first line should tell the printer to switch to postscript if it isn't in 
 that mode.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:19:47 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: MAKing bilf on Alpha 2 Message-ID: <3fa0f3d8$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   DTL02> @make_bilf  $ on warning then exit	 $ cc bilf0          exit (STAT_NORM); ......^eP %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "exit" is implicitly decla red as a function.6 at line number 53 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  ,        status = cvtstream (outname, inname); ...............^O %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "cvtstream" is implicitlys declared as a function.f6 at line number 69 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  )        status = cvtbin (outname, inname);  ...............^P %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "cvtbin" is implicitly dec lared as a function.6 at line number 71 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  8        prterror ('f', "Option %s is invalid\n", option); ......^iP %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "prterror" is implicitly d eclared as a function.6 at line number 73 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  $     close (infile); close (outfile); ...^P %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "close" is implicitly decl ared as a function.g6 at line number 99 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  -     char *newstr = malloc (strlen (str) + 1);b ..........................^ P %CC-I-INTRINSICINT, In this statement, the return type for intrinsic "strlen" is'   being changed from "size_t" to "int".t7 at line number 113 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1c  -     char *newstr = malloc (strlen (str) + 1);k ..........................^ P %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In the initializer for newstr, the identifier "strlen" is im  plicitly declared as a function.7 at line number 113 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1R          strcpy (newstr, str); ......^rP %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "strcpy" is implicitly dec lared as a function.7 at line number 115 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1g  $     inhan = open (inname, O_RDONLY); ...........^P %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "open" is implicitly decla red as a function.7 at line number 140 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1   6     outhan = creat (outname, 0, "rfm=fix", "mrs=512");
 ............^aP %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "creat" is implicitly decl ared as a function./7 at line number 143 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1i  -        count = vmsread (inhan, junk, BLKSIZ);  ..............^ P %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "vmsread" is implicitly de clared as a function.e7 at line number 164 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1s  ,        count = write (outhan, junk, BLKSIZ); ..............^-P %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "write" is implicitly decl ared as a function. 7 at line number 173 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1u  ;        thiscount = read (han, &buf[count], amount - count);i ..................^gP %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "read" is implicitly decla red as a function.7 at line number 196 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1k  B        default:  prterror ('f', "Internal error in prterror()\n"); ................^wP %CC-I-TOOFEWARGSO, In this statement, "prterror", which was declared with an oldD -style function definition, expects 3 arguments, but 2 are supplied.7 at line number 220 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1e $ link bilf,sys$input:/opt! sys$share:decc$crtl.exe/shareablet3 %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$STRDUP multiply definedBB          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1: %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$CRTL_ENTRIES multiply definedB          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1; %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$GL___CRTL_VER multiply defined B          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1 DTL02>  + Looks like there is something wrong here...n   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 06:22:06 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)>! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha = Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0310300622.51f511de@posting.google.com>U   Didier Morandi,d  F Your compiler setting is high, which is a good thing.  Since these areE informationals, you can go ahead and link.  Almost all the complaints,B are about implicit functions, meaning you need to include a header: file like stdlib.h that prototypes the "implied" function.  D The only really disconcerting one could be the TOOFEWARGSO.  I would" look up the function definition...   JMOD  M <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fa0f3d8$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>...r > DTL02> @make_bilfa > $ on warning then exit > $ cc bilfe >  >        exit (STAT_NORM);	 > ......^ R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "exit" is implicitly decla > red as a function.8 > at line number 53 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > . >        status = cvtstream (outname, inname); > ...............^Q > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "cvtstream" is implicitly  > declared as a function.o8 > at line number 69 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > + >        status = cvtbin (outname, inname);o > ...............^R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "cvtbin" is implicitly dec > lared as a function.8 > at line number 71 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > : >        prterror ('f', "Option %s is invalid\n", option);	 > ......^.R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "prterror" is implicitly d > eclared as a function.8 > at line number 73 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > & >     close (infile); close (outfile); > ...^R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "close" is implicitly decl > ared as a function.=8 > at line number 99 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > / >     char *newstr = malloc (strlen (str) + 1);o > ..........................^aR > %CC-I-INTRINSICINT, In this statement, the return type for intrinsic "strlen" is) >   being changed from "size_t" to "int".i9 > at line number 113 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1= > / >     char *newstr = malloc (strlen (str) + 1);n > ..........................^/R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In the initializer for newstr, the identifier "strlen" is im" > plicitly declared as a function.9 > at line number 113 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  >  >        strcpy (newstr, str);	 > ......^=R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "strcpy" is implicitly dec > lared as a function.9 > at line number 115 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  > & >     inhan = open (inname, O_RDONLY); > ...........^R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "open" is implicitly decla > red as a function.9 > at line number 140 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1i > 8 >     outhan = creat (outname, 0, "rfm=fix", "mrs=512"); > ............^ R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "creat" is implicitly decl > ared as a function.d9 > at line number 143 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1E > / >        count = vmsread (inhan, junk, BLKSIZ);9 > ..............^NR > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "vmsread" is implicitly de > clared as a function.=9 > at line number 164 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1- > . >        count = write (outhan, junk, BLKSIZ); > ..............^hR > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "write" is implicitly decl > ared as a function..9 > at line number 173 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1y > = >        thiscount = read (han, &buf[count], amount - count);g > ..................^:R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "read" is implicitly decla > red as a function.9 > at line number 196 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;12 > D >        default:  prterror ('f', "Internal error in prterror()\n"); > ................^0R > %CC-I-TOOFEWARGSO, In this statement, "prterror", which was declared with an oldF > -style function definition, expects 3 arguments, but 2 are supplied.9 > at line number 220 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  > $ link bilf,sys$input:/opt# > sys$share:decc$crtl.exe/shareablee5 > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$STRDUP multiply defined D >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1< > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$CRTL_ENTRIES multiply definedD >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1= > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$GL___CRTL_VER multiply definedAD >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1 > DTL02> > - > Looks like there is something wrong here...e >  > D.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 16:23:20 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)e! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alphas+ Message-ID: <ruFWeSHJdpgt@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   U In article <w6jNQ11R57eN@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes: Y > In article <3fa118e5$0$249$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: S >> yep, thanks. But it still does not make it. My 16 blocks archive turned to a 64 o, >> blocks one, but still in variable format.6 > Did You observe my remark in my first followup, thatA > probably Your .GZ file has to be handled by GUNZIP rather than 04 > UNZIP, and that bilf probaly destroys the format ?- > What does GUNZIP say on the original file ?  >    Followup to my own followup:  3 IF the file in fact is an archive ZIP file, and the5@ reason for having variable length record format was an ascii FTP/ transfer instead of a correct BINRAY ftp, then  8 bilf makes a correct file for bilf, as well as a simple   $ convert/fdl=test.fdl file! with test.fdl like the following:s   SYSTEM  	SOURCE                  OpenVMS   FILE 	BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     noc 	CLUSTER_SIZE            4 	CONTIGUOUS              non 	EXTENSION               0 	FILE_MONITORING         no  	GLOBAL_BUFFER_COUNT     0# 	ORGANIZATION            sequentialt   RECORD 	BLOCK_SPAN              yes 	CARRIAGE_CONTROL        none  	FORMAT                  fixed 	SIZE                    512  K I just tested both, bilf and convert on ZIP file transferred in ascii mode.  -- n>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 14:34:48 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber):! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alphan+ Message-ID: <Qi92vVlrcFud@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>s  W In article <3fa0f3d8$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  > DTL02> @make_bilf  > $ on warning then exit > $ cc bilfn > 	 > ......^S  9 > at line number 220 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1r > $ link bilf,sys$input:/opt# > sys$share:decc$crtl.exe/shareables5 > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$STRDUP multiply definedcD >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1< > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$CRTL_ENTRIES multiply definedD >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1= > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$GL___CRTL_VER multiply definedED >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1 > DTL02> > - > Looks like there is something wrong here...' >   < If BILF is needed at all today (it has been removed from theE the archive-zip distribution!), here I quickly rearranged the code , 	# so it is compiling with DECC/VMS7+:m  0   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmssig/src/c/bilf.c  
 $ cc bilf  $ link bilf    -- n>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 07:43:19 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha23 Message-ID: <XzP4Mz3TxHHt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3fa0f3d8$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:m   > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC  G   A common occurance, but since it's an -I-, you can ignore it.  Or youiL   for RTL functions you can track down the missing header file and #include F   it, and for BILF functions you can write the missing header file andB   include it.  There's a lot of software out there which is sloppy
   about this.i    $ link bilf,sys$input:/optr# > sys$share:decc$crtl.exe/shareable'5 > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$STRDUP multiply definednD >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1  H    You should not have to explicitly reference decc$rtl.exe, try linking!    BILF without the options file.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:57:52 +0100i" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha 2 Message-ID: <3fa118e5$0$249$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  P yep, thanks. But it still does not make it. My 16 blocks archive turned to a 64 ) blocks one, but still in variable format.f   D.   Joseph Huber wrote:o    > > If BILF is needed at all today (it has been removed from theG > the archive-zip distribution!), here I quickly rearranged the code , c% > so it is compiling with DECC/VMS7+:  > 2 >   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmssig/src/c/bilf.c >  > $ cc bilf  > $ link bilf    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 16:01:05 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)a! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha.+ Message-ID: <w6jNQ11R57eN@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>t  W In article <3fa118e5$0$249$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:RR > yep, thanks. But it still does not make it. My 16 blocks archive turned to a 64 + > blocks one, but still in variable format.f >   4 Did You observe my remark in my first followup, that? probably Your .GZ file has to be handled by GUNZIP rather than  2 UNZIP, and that bilf probaly destroys the format ?+ What does GUNZIP say on the original file ?h   -- n>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 09:37:25 -0800$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alphau= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0310300937.47361a8a@posting.google.com>a  F Compiling with /STANDARD=VAXC will probably eliminate the IMPLICITFUNC> messages, and perhaps the TOOFEWARGSO as well. If the code hasD previously been built successfully with VAX C, this may take care of all your problems.   Good luck!  :-)t ---  Galene  \ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fa0f3d8$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>... > DTL02> @make_bilf_ > $ on warning then exit > $ cc bilfi >  >        exit (STAT_NORM);	 > ......^rR > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "exit" is implicitly decla > red as a function.8 > at line number 53 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > . >        status = cvtstream (outname, inname); > ...............^Q > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "cvtstream" is implicitly  > declared as a function.,8 > at line number 69 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > + >        status = cvtbin (outname, inname);  > ...............^R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "cvtbin" is implicitly dec > lared as a function.8 > at line number 71 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > : >        prterror ('f', "Option %s is invalid\n", option);	 > ......^ R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "prterror" is implicitly d > eclared as a function.8 > at line number 73 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > & >     close (infile); close (outfile); > ...^R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "close" is implicitly decl > ared as a function. 8 > at line number 99 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1 > / >     char *newstr = malloc (strlen (str) + 1);t > ..........................^aR > %CC-I-INTRINSICINT, In this statement, the return type for intrinsic "strlen" is) >   being changed from "size_t" to "int".a9 > at line number 113 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1- > / >     char *newstr = malloc (strlen (str) + 1);  > ..........................^rR > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In the initializer for newstr, the identifier "strlen" is im" > plicitly declared as a function.9 > at line number 113 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1r >  >        strcpy (newstr, str);	 > ......^eR > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "strcpy" is implicitly dec > lared as a function.9 > at line number 115 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1o > & >     inhan = open (inname, O_RDONLY); > ...........^R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "open" is implicitly decla > red as a function.9 > at line number 140 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1d > 8 >     outhan = creat (outname, 0, "rfm=fix", "mrs=512"); > ............^oR > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "creat" is implicitly decl > ared as a function.t9 > at line number 143 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  > / >        count = vmsread (inhan, junk, BLKSIZ);  > ..............^ R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "vmsread" is implicitly de > clared as a function.-9 > at line number 164 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1  > . >        count = write (outhan, junk, BLKSIZ); > ..............^ R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "write" is implicitly decl > ared as a function. 9 > at line number 173 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1, > = >        thiscount = read (han, &buf[count], amount - count);7 > ..................^.R > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "read" is implicitly decla > red as a function.9 > at line number 196 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1O > D >        default:  prterror ('f', "Internal error in prterror()\n"); > ................^sR > %CC-I-TOOFEWARGSO, In this statement, "prterror", which was declared with an oldF > -style function definition, expects 3 arguments, but 2 are supplied.9 > at line number 220 in file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BILF.C;1L > $ link bilf,sys$input:/opt# > sys$share:decc$crtl.exe/shareable 5 > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$STRDUP multiply defined D >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1< > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$CRTL_ENTRIES multiply definedD >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1= > %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$$GL___CRTL_VER multiply definedoD >          in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1 > DTL02> > - > Looks like there is something wrong here...s >  > D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:57:08 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha.2 Message-ID: <3fa134d9$0$238$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Joseph Huber wrote:p  5 > If the file in fact is an archive ZIP file, and thelB > reason for having variable length record format was an ascii FTP* > transfer instead of a correct BINARY ftp   B I N G O !    Sorry for the noise. Many thanks,   D.0 (now I need to fix my MYFTP.COM procedure... :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:58:48 +0100D" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alphat2 Message-ID: <3fa1353d$0$238$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Nom de Plume wrote:r  H > Your compiler setting is high, which is a good thing.  Since these areG > informationals, you can go ahead and link.  Almost all the complaints D > are about implicit functions, meaning you need to include a header< > file like stdlib.h that prototypes the "implied" function. > F > The only really disconcerting one could be the TOOFEWARGSO.  I would$ > look up the function definition... >  > JMOD   Merci.0 Who is JMOD? I thought Nom de Plume was Terry S.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:25:51 -0500M* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: MAKing bilf on Alpha>) Message-ID: <3FA13B8E.90B03ACD@istop.com>i   Didier Morandi wrote:w >        exit (STAT_NORM);	 > ......^aR > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "exit" is implicitly decla > red as a function.  0 You are missing the "basic" #include statements.  0 $help CC run exit reveals that you need stdlib.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:39:23 GMTT# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>cI Subject: Re: Maybe somebody ought to explain to carly(tm) what VMS is too2I Message-ID: <f%4ob.122897$h61.51582@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > In articleH > <WBWnb.105210$3f.98528@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John! > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:u >b# >> Holy lack of leadership Batman!!t >rC > Exactly Robin.  I think we have been misled these last few years.aG > This morning, I used the BATcomputer to compare images of our various G > enemies.  Remember when the Joker disappeared at the beginning of theoF > 90s?  [Batman Sighs heavily.]  Let's put it this way: the similarity= > in the hairstyles of the Joker and Bob "GQ" Palmer is NOT aa > coincidence. > # > Holy hidden-agenda hairdo Batman!i > D >> "I think our portfolio is tuned to new opportunities. In the pastE >> they operated more as separate business units," said Fiorina. "Our 7 >> challenge is to pull the portfolio closer together."  >t7 > This one seems like it comes straight from the Dilbert > mission-statement generator.   ROTFL   :-)p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:17:10 -0500e& From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>5 Subject: patches for Radeon for older versions of VMSu/ Message-ID: <vq20cj7rp72rf0@news.supernews.com>   J So now you can't find the VX1 cards, are there any patches for Radeon 7500 that go back to VMS 7-12> ???y  ; If not, is anyone developing one for these versions of VMS?e   David        -- e David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation- 2700 Gregory St., Suite 1803 Savannah GA 31404r Tel: 912 447 6622. Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:52:49 -0500c5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>n9 Subject: Re: patches for Radeon for older versions of VMSt2 Message-ID: <vkGhP6aab5TCTXkxIB1iCGHg8Edr@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:17:10 -0500, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:  K >So now you can't find the VX1 cards, are there any patches for Radeon 7500a >that go back to VMS 7-12> ??? >a< >If not, is anyone developing one for these versions of VMS? >f >David  @ Considering that V7.1-2 and V7.2-2 are on Prior Version Support, don't bet on it.   David R. Beattyr SAS Institute, Inc.p   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 03:32:07 -08006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)P Subject: Pathworks 32 on Windows XP mapping to shares on OpenVMS Advanced Server= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0310300332.6aa83b17@posting.google.com>_   Hi,.  < I have installed Pathworks 32 onto a new Windows XP desktop.  ? From my other Windows 2000 nodes, I can see the Advanced ServerlE OpenVMS system. From the Windows XP system I cannot, and I cannot mapi a drive on the server.  @ Not sure why this is happening, but any suggestions appreciated.   With regards Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:49:06 -0500d' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> T Subject: RE: Pathworks 32 on Windows XP mapping to shares on OpenVMS Advanced ServerR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB17C186@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   >=20 > -----Original Message-----B > From: Andrew Rycroft [mailto:andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com]=20  > Sent: October 30, 2003 6:32 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn >=20 > Hi,  >=20> > I have installed Pathworks 32 onto a new Windows XP desktop. >=20= > From my other Windows 2000 nodes, I can see the Advanced=20 @ > Server OpenVMS system. From the Windows XP system I cannot,=20) > and I cannot map a drive on the server.! >=20B > Not sure why this is happening, but any suggestions appreciated. >=20 > With regards > Andrew >=20   Andrew,n  D I had a similar issue and found that it was due to "Use NetBIOS overG TCPIP" was *not* selected in the network properties for the LAN link on>: the XP PC. Simply select it, reboot and see if that works.   Regardsh  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantu HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomn. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 01:57:39 -0800" From: daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP)& Subject: Re: Read/Inquire a define/key= Message-ID: <819f1cc4.0310300157.11ad89e4@posting.google.com>i  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3FA06D54.7E27D6BC@fsi.net>... > DXP wrote: > >  > > Greetings Gurus  > > @ > > I'm having a spot of bother with the following bit of DCL... >lG > It's been that way for as long I can remember. It's a security thing,sG > mostly. Captive accounts cannot use INQUIRE because they can't access.J > command level, and INQUIRE grants access that conflicts with the idea of > Captive accounts.r    > Okay, I understand the security thing with INQUIRE and captiveE accounts but if I'm trying to use the above code under a fully priv'deF account, how does this affect me? And also, as READ is the recommendedF alternative to INQUIRE so shouldn't the code work with READ as opposed to INQUIRE?r   Cheers     Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:27:26 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: SHO FRU from DCLo1 Message-ID: <03103009272609@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   M I recall a number of threads about retrieving boot defaults and such from DCLy using a LEXICAL.  1 Was there one for retrieving the FRU information?t       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*ns VMS Systems Administratorp* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 10:40:03 -0800' From: steven@psds.com (Steven Petersen)F2 Subject: SN-BA26R-RA => XP1000 Rack Mounting Shelf< Message-ID: <9889b0a.0310301040.4690758f@posting.google.com>  < I'm in need for a SN-BA26R-RA => XP1000 Rack Mounting Shelf.  * If any one has one I will buy it from you.   Steven G. Petersen Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. 10236 E. Riverside Dr. Bothell, WA 98011: Tel: 425-488-0710! Fax: 425-488-6414D Email:  steven@psds.comt Web site:  www.psds.comk7 Line Card:   http://www.psds.com/linecard/lc-steven.pdf    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:52:47 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>N Subject: Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe8 Message-ID: <iag2qvo6fmhah2j1ie6jdm94au0c4b91uf@4ax.com>  G On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:24:03 +0100, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:i  E >I tried to go from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3 using the vmsinstal procedure.i@ >I answered NO to the "are you doing a rolling update" question.5 >I asked for DECnet Phase IV and all default options.d$ >Then I went until the reboot phase.6 >At the reboot phase, after the welcome banner, I get: > N >%EXECINIT, error loading system file - SYS$NETWORK_SERVICES.EXE R0 = 00000910
 >?06 HLT INST  >     PC = 80C9A861   P Are you able to mount the disk on another system and see if the file is actuallyF missing or not? (I realize that this hex code does mean "NOSUCHFILE".)  O We had a similar problem on a VAX system after installing a set of patches (not M even a VMS upgrade). It turned out that there was "corruption" in SYSDUMP.DMPJJ which was causing some sort of problem early in startup -- after RENAMEingP SYSDUMP.DMP to .OLD we were able to reboot. In our case, fortunately, we had two< nodes still up and could mount and examine the disk on them.  . This may have nothing to do with your problem!I -------------------------------------------------------------------------vI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comoI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)rI ------------------------------------------------------------------------->   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:57:13 -0500>& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>N Subject: Re: upgrade from VAX/VMS 6.2 to 7.3: missing sys$network_services.exe8 Message-ID: <klg2qv8phismupa5854oi6454lqjo2nk51@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:52:47 -0500, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:a  P >We had a similar problem on a VAX system after installing a set of patches (notN >even a VMS upgrade). It turned out that there was "corruption" in SYSDUMP.DMPK >which was causing some sort of problem early in startup -- after RENAMEing Q >SYSDUMP.DMP to .OLD we were able to reboot. In our case, fortunately, we had two-= >nodes still up and could mount and examine the disk on them.n  & FWIW, in our case we got this message:  P %EXECINIT, error loading system file VAXCLUSTER_CACHE.EXE, R0 = 00000910          0 and the file was definitely present on the disk!I -------------------------------------------------------------------------.I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comvI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:58:21 +0100y2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>Y Subject: Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       t( Message-ID: <bnrjpl$7$1@reader08.wxs.nl>  H Hmmm... if the original answer from HP is backed by their lawyers, read  again, and read carefully.  I As mentioned before, a license has to do with granting rights to use the  B software under certain circumstances. The exact circumstances are F described in the license documents by the owner of the software. If a B license is granted to run VMS on CHARON-VAX on HP hardware, it is H exactly that. Read the fine print in various (OpenVMS) SPDs. If you run G VMS on CHARON-VAX on a Dell, you are in violation of the terms of HP's eH transfer license and the original VMS license. Why? Because they say so.  G Software support on these platforms is a related, but separate matter. eF If you have a license to run, you are elegible for voluntary software : support contracts. If you don't have a license, see above.  
 Wilm Boerhoute VX Company,1 The Netherlands   ( (not a lawyer, but suspicious by nature)   Didier Morandi wrote:m > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > K >>> 2  You can only run this license on an HP produced computer, you can't,hE >>>   for eaxmple, run it on a Dell that you might have lying around.> >>>  c >>>:K >> Limited in it's correctness.  If you wish to retain software support, ite8 >> must be a HP computer, otherwise you are on your own. >  > H > Man, this is true. First of all, you CAN run it on any WINTEL system, ; > but you also MAY do so. What will drop is the HP support.  >  > Thanks, Barry. >  > D. >    -- r
 Wilm Boerhout_   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:21:19 -0800u# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>uY Subject: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:         cab9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEMAIFAA.tom@kednos.com>o  F I was curious to follow the discussion on VAX emulation so I posed the questionG to HP and I received permission to post the answer here.  Teh result is  twofolda5 1  You can only get a transfer license for CHARON-VAXeG 2  You can only run this license on an HP produced computer, you can't,.B    for eaxmple, run it on a Dell that you might have lying around.       >-----Original Message-----g4 >From: St Laurent, Pat [mailto:pat.stlaurent@hp.com]) >Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:43 AMa >To: Tom Linden; SWLICENSING >Cc: Vazquez, MaryJane >Subject: RE: VAX emulatorsi >i >r >Hi Tom, > C >Correct, HP OpenVMS does not license VAX-VMS OS software to run onR@ >systems other than HP's.   Regarding emulators, we partner with< >SRI to deliver a VAX emulator, and we only offer a transfer >license for CHARON-VAX.J >There are no plans today to offer transfer licenses for another emulator. >h	 >Regards,h >Pat St.Laurent  >l >-----Original Message-----a) >From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]r( >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:43 PM! >To: SWLICENSING; St Laurent, Patt >Cc: Vazquez, MaryJane >Subject: RE: VAX emulatorso >w >Hi Pat, >o@ >Thanks for your reply.  Just a couple of clarifications please. >eK >Does this mean that we could not get such a license for CHARON-VAX running- >on, say, a Dell computer? >3A >Is it possible to obtain a transfer license for other emulators?j >:F >The reason I ask is that we have several large PL/I customers runningI >on VAXes who have clearly indicated that they will not port to Alpha and F >have no intention of doing so to Itanium if there is no PL/I compilerH >availale there.  And this gives us the opportunity to retain a customer >to our mutual benefit.] >F >regards >Tom >u >>-----Original Message-----5 >>From: St Laurent, Pat [mailto:pat.stlaurent@hp.com]m( >>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:38 AM! >>To: SWLICENSING; tom@kednos.coml >>Cc: Vazquez, MaryJane$ >>Subject: RE: VAX emulators >> >>	 >>Hi Tom,n >>? >>The transfer licenses referenced on the website are valid fort? >>OpenVMS/VAX and associated layered software on the CHARON-VAXn= >>emulator environment and HP hardware only.  Thus these part C >>numbers are not valid for VAX emulators offered by other vendors.  >>
 >>Regards, >>Pat St.Laurent >>   >-----Original Message-----m* >From: Didier Morandi [mailto:no@spam.com]* >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:20 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC >Subject: Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation: call for paperst >e >c@ >As I said a few days ago, the next VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration >News letter will:G >focus on: "Emulation as a solution to the VAX/VMS obsolescence issue".. >.> >As of today, I have the following list of suppliers and their >products dealingi1 >with emulation and/or sources/image translation:" >" >SRI CHARON-VAXr  >Accelr8 OpenDCL and translators >Bob Supnik SIMH >Forest Edge eVAX 3 >HP MSVA aka DECmigrate aka VEST (for VAX to Alpha)C2 >HP MSAI (for Alpha to Itanium) (not yet released) >e@ >Other vendors/suppliers are welcome. Please include data sheets >and references.# >and send to didier.morandi@free.fr  >Thanks, >w >D.s >-- < >          Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News@ >       English: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdfA >       French: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdfa > G >didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPtD >     Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationE >   5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287,E >   SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com  >t >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.l; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).TB >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 >. ---.& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:02:05 -0700-+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>fY Subject: Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       T% Message-ID: <3FA135FD.40807@MMaz.com>=   Tom Linden wrote:t  G >I was curious to follow the discussion on VAX emulation so I posed thet	 >questioniH >to HP and I received permission to post the answer here.  Teh result is >twofold6 >1  You can only get a transfer license for CHARON-VAX >  ' >  Yesr  H >2  You can only run this license on an HP produced computer, you can't,C >   for eaxmple, run it on a Dell that you might have lying around.o >  i >iH Limited in it's correctness.  If you wish to retain software support, it5 must be a HP computer, otherwise you are on your own.t   Barryr   -- c  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:01:51 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       12 Message-ID: <3fa135f3$0$238$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Tom Linden wrote:-  H > I was curious to follow the discussion on VAX emulation so I posed the
 > questionI > to HP and I received permission to post the answer here.  Teh result is7	 > twofold27 > 1  You can only get a transfer license for CHARON-VAXrI > 2  You can only run this license on an HP produced computer, you can't,tD >    for eaxmple, run it on a Dell that you might have lying around.  $ Course, it is printed here, third :> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/sri-charon-vax-emulator.html   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:09:03 +0100I" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: Re: VAX Emulator licensing was( Next VAX/VMS Mig Newsletter on emulation:       >2 Message-ID: <3fa137a4$0$232$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:  J >> 2  You can only run this license on an HP produced computer, you can't,D >>   for eaxmple, run it on a Dell that you might have lying around. >>   >>J > Limited in it's correctness.  If you wish to retain software support, it7 > must be a HP computer, otherwise you are on your own.n  N Man, this is true. First of all, you CAN run it on any WINTEL system, but you 1 also MAY do so. What will drop is the HP support.G   Thanks, Barry.   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 03:14:35 -0800- From: pfleging.lka@ekkw.de (pfleging.michael)t/ Subject: Re: VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 Security Hardening = Message-ID: <b8cd107b.0310300314.6e6957e8@posting.google.com>   o Dave Mendez <dhmendez@mail.cinvestav.mx> wrote in message news:<bnq5t1$1485sc$2@ID-80684.news.uni-berlin.de>...eI > I'm looking for a document about VMS hardening, or VMS Security FAQ or bF > something related to that, Do you have any idea where I can get one? > Thanks in advance^ > Dave   Take a look at:tM http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_sys_sec.PDF=   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 06:17:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)./ Subject: Re: VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 Security Hardening 3 Message-ID: <z2cPchNiX$FX@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  m In article <b8cd107b.0310300314.6e6957e8@posting.google.com>, pfleging.lka@ekkw.de (pfleging.michael) writes: q > Dave Mendez <dhmendez@mail.cinvestav.mx> wrote in message news:<bnq5t1$1485sc$2@ID-80684.news.uni-berlin.de>...iJ >> I'm looking for a document about VMS hardening, or VMS Security FAQ or G >> something related to that, Do you have any idea where I can get one?  >> Thanks in advance >> Dave; >  > Take a look at:MO > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_sys_sec.PDF   B _After_ you read the VMS manual cited above, the documentation for? my company's LJK/Security product contains some policy hints in A the "Practical considerations" section at the bottom of each testmA description.  Those hints can be helpful even to somebody who hasS no interest in our product.   _ http://www.ljk.com/ljk/LJK_SECURITY_DOCUMENTATION/LJK_SECURITY_D_CONTENTS_001.HTM#toc_chapter_6C   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:22:41 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: VESTing BILFR2 Message-ID: <3fa0f486$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  2 DTL02> unzip WWW_DIDIERMORANDI_COM_20031030_LOG.GZ  B       Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  PleaseQ       run "bilf l DKA0:[MORANDI]WWW_DIDIERMORANDI_COM_20031030_LOG.GZ;1" to conve  rt the zipfile to stream-LFnB       record format.  (BILF is available at various VMS archives.)   DTL02> bilfiF %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling   \BILF\ DTL02> sh dev dO  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntQ   Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CnteP DTL02$DKA0:             Mounted              1  ALPHA73        1469052   362   1. DTL02$DKA100:           Online               0. DTL02$DKA200:           Online               0. DTL02$DVA0:             Online               0 DTL02> mou dka200 freeware4 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, FREEWARE mounted on _DTL02$DKA200: DTL02> dir dka200:[*...]bilf! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  DTL02> home 
 DTL02> r bilfT, %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image BILF? -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DTL02$DKA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]BILF.EXE;1l8 -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image DTL02> vestC _File: bilf.exeC DTL02> dir bilf*   Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]  = BILF.EXE;1                11/18       30-OCT-2003 11:56:47.37O= BILF_TV.EXE;1             66/72       30-OCT-2003 11:57:10.65R= BILF_TV.LIS;1              2/9        30-OCT-2003 11:57:09.99S   Total of 3 files, 79/99 blocks.T DTL02> ty BILF_TV.LIStO VEST V1.2-0 built at May 27 2002 12:49:34 starting at Oct 30 2003 11:57:10 witha
 command line: 
 VEST BILF.EXE /   Image "BILF", "V1.0", 27-JUN-1994 15:34:46.36:   ! Message summary by category: !D! ! 5 messages in VERBOSE category: . !     1     INFO    READING - Reading file !AZ4 !     1     INFO      NOHIF - HIF file !AZ not found6 !     1     INFO      PASS1 - Starting analysis pass 16 !     1     INFO      PASS2 - Starting analysis pass 2P !     1     INFO   ENDPASS2 - Ending analysis pass 2 -- beginning code generatio n and output DTL02> r BILF_TV.EXE2 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image VAXCRTL_TVP -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DTL02$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]VAXCRTL_D56_TV.EX Ed: -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image   Comments anyone? Thanks,y   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 06:28:09 -0800- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera)  Subject: Re: VESTing BILFe= Message-ID: <66a00d01.0310300628.6318abd8@posting.google.com>o  \ Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3fa0f486$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>...4 > DTL02> unzip WWW_DIDIERMORANDI_COM_20031030_LOG.GZ > D >       Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  PleaseS >       run "bilf l DKA0:[MORANDI]WWW_DIDIERMORANDI_COM_20031030_LOG.GZ;1" to conveC > rt the zipfile to stream-LF D >       record format.  (BILF is available at various VMS archives.) > [snip]  ? I don't recall ever having a need for BILF. Answering these two5* questions usually solves all the problems:  A 1. Does UNZIP handle GZIP format archives? (Not AFAIK. Try GUNZIP 	 instead.)h  B 2. Does DIRECTORY/FULL of the .GZ file indicate it's Fixed_512? IfB not, re-transer the archive as binary and try again, or try to use; DUMP to verify that the archive is o.k. or if its hosed up.u   -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems3   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 13:52:06 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)e Subject: Re: VESTing BILF + Message-ID: <fvb1m1kyn3uc@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>S  W In article <3fa0f486$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:s4 > DTL02> unzip WWW_DIDIERMORANDI_COM_20031030_LOG.GZ > D >       Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  PleaseS >       run "bilf l DKA0:[MORANDI]WWW_DIDIERMORANDI_COM_20031030_LOG.GZ;1" to conveC > rt the zipfile to stream-LFED >       record format.  (BILF is available at various VMS archives.) >   A Most probably the assumption of unzip about the record format is EC misleading: the naming of the file with the .GZ extension let would * suggest to use GUNZIP instaead of UNZIP ! 0 BILF probbaly would destroy the GZ file finally.  I Just a tip: if You compile bilf with /STANDARD=VAXC, then it should work.m   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2003 07:40:24 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)u Subject: Re: VESTing BILFo3 Message-ID: <z6XUEwvdu2GG@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  W In article <3fa0f486$0$250$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:j  @ 	What platform do you need bilf for?  What version VMS?  Can youD 	handle a zip attachement?  What email address?  Man talk about the 1 	good old days.  I haven't touched bilf in years.M   	I have a native vax image.n  	 $ bilf -h 9 BILF version 1.00 for VAX/VMS by Rahul Dhesi (1987/07/25)n  4 (C) Copyright 1987 Rahul Dhesi,  All Rights ReservedC Permission to use and distribute is granted provided this copyrighte/ notice is preserved and included in all copies.t  $ Usage:  BILF {lb} infile [ outfile ]  D Choose one character from within braces.  If outfile is not supplied; it has the same name as infile but a higher version number.  Options are:  C l:  Write output file in stream-LF format.  This is the format thate@     zoo expects all zoo archives to be in.  If a zoo archive wasA     uploaded to a VAX/VMS system, it will need to be converted to,2     stream-LF format before manipulating with zoo.  L b:  Write output file in fixed-length 512-byte binary record format.  Before>     a zoo archive can be downloaded from a VAX/VMS system to a?     microcomputer using VAX/VMS Kermit, it must be converted tonD     this binary format.  Failure to do so will result in a corrupted
     download.y     				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:59:37 +0100e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: VESTing BILF 2 Message-ID: <3fa1356e$0$238$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   David J Dachtera wrote:   D > 2. Does DIRECTORY/FULL of the .GZ file indicate it's Fixed_512? If5 > not, re-transer the archive as binary and try againM   Yep, that was it.  Merci.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:39:14 +0100f" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>( Subject: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX?2 Message-ID: <3fa0c027$0$235$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  L Last "tour de table" before the closing of the next issue of the VAX/VMS to , Itanium Migration News letter, on emulation.  J Q1. Do/did you use CHARON-VAX (any version, on Alpha or PC) in production? [Y/N]    Q2. Are/were you happy with it?o [Y/N]r  * Q3. If you were, why? If you weren't, why? ...n  A As usual, private answers may go to mailto:didier.morandi@free.fr  Thanks,0   D. -- 9<           Read the October VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News?        English: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310.pdf8@        French: www.didiermorandi.com/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdf  F didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPC      Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ ProgrammationtD    5 avenue Albert Durand 31700 Blagnac France Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287D    SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:34:42 +0100x) From: Michael Unger <unger@despammed.com>O, Subject: Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX?: Message-ID: <bnr48l$14nge5$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  , On 2003-10-30 08:39, "Didier Morandi" wrote:  N > Last "tour de table" before the closing of the next issue of the VAX/VMS to . > Itanium Migration News letter, on emulation. > L > Q1. Do/did you use CHARON-VAX (any version, on Alpha or PC) in production? > [Y/N]   F I'm currently using the "Charon-VAX Windows Demo Version" (emulating a@ MicroVAX-II with 16MB of RAM) I've managed to get hold of at theG "OpenVMS Technical Update Days" in Bad Homburg, Germany, on my notebookaD (W2k) with OpenVMS 7.3. The CD installation kit contains an emulatedD OpenVMS 6.2 system disk (container file). But it isn't a "production environment" of course ...  ! > Q2. Are/were you happy with it?t > [Y/N]   G Not really satisfied -- the functionality of this demo version is "veryR limited" ;-)  , > Q3. If you were, why? If you weren't, why? > ....  F It's running at 100% CPU all the time. At least for environments whereH the "hosting PC" is used for other tasks too (development, testing, ...)K that should be adjustable; i.e., limit CPU usage of this application to x%.    Michael.   -- .; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.-= My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:29:42 -0700,+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>c, Subject: Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX?' Message-ID: <3FA12E66.3020600@MMaz.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:r  C > Last "tour de table" before the closing of the next issue of the  9 > VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News letter, on emulation.n >uA > Q1. Do/did you use CHARON-VAX (any version, on Alpha or PC) in p
 > production?D > [Y/N]    Yes, AMD PC Based-   >C! > Q2. Are/were you happy with it?t > [Y/N]e   Yesm   >t, > Q3. If you were, why? If you weren't, why?  F First, performance.  Second, performance and lastly, performance.  We H had been running on a VAX that gave us more than ten years of life, but E we could not physically add more memory, the storage subsystems were  I crippled by either DSSI or SE SCSI (the later added 16bit SCSI could not  D boot and Compaq had disabled the embedded NIC on that card) so that I meant slow disk access, flaky SCSI tape access, and the internal NIC was i  still an old 10Mb AUI interface.  I We now have a system which benches in the 55 VUP ballpark, with 512MB of uH RAM, and 10K U160 SCSI drives that the old VAX could never consider.  I F literally expect this solution to buy us another ten years, at least, I based not only what we can currently run on, but that it can be expanded ,/ (something we could not do with our old VAX)...,   Barry    -- 7  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:32:59 -0700-+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>h, Subject: Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX?' Message-ID: <3FA12F2B.5090008@MMaz.com>a   Michael Unger wrote:  - >On 2003-10-30 08:39, "Didier Morandi" wrote:  >  i >bN >>Last "tour de table" before the closing of the next issue of the VAX/VMS to . >>Itanium Migration News letter, on emulation. >>L >>Q1. Do/did you use CHARON-VAX (any version, on Alpha or PC) in production? >>[Y/N]_ >>     >> >yG >I'm currently using the "Charon-VAX Windows Demo Version" (emulating aEA >MicroVAX-II with 16MB of RAM) I've managed to get hold of at theoH >"OpenVMS Technical Update Days" in Bad Homburg, Germany, on my notebookE >(W2k) with OpenVMS 7.3. The CD installation kit contains an emulated E >OpenVMS 6.2 system disk (container file). But it isn't a "production  >environment" of course ...a >  > >u! >>Q2. Are/were you happy with it?e >>[Y/N]  >>     >> >$H >Not really satisfied -- the functionality of this demo version is "very
 >limited" ;-)  >    > , >>Q3. If you were, why? If you weren't, why? >>.... >>     >> >FG >It's running at 100% CPU all the time. At least for environments whereoI >the "hosting PC" is used for other tasks too (development, testing, ...).L >that should be adjustable; i.e., limit CPU usage of this application to x%. >D >  m >i This doesn't sound like a 'demo' copy, but the picoVAX software, they are not one and the same.  What you are emulating is nothing more than a MV 2 with little memory, no NIC, and no real subsystem support.  7 That is not a commercial apples to apples comparison...t   Barryc   -- t  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:24:01 +0100N) From: Michael Unger <unger@despammed.com>-, Subject: Re: [survey] Do you use CHARON-VAX?: Message-ID: <bnrio9$13s0d1$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  / On 2003-10-30 16:32, "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:3   > Michael Unger wrote: >  > [...]M >nH >>I'm currently using the "Charon-VAX Windows Demo Version" (emulating aB >>MicroVAX-II with 16MB of RAM) I've managed to get hold of at theI >>"OpenVMS Technical Update Days" in Bad Homburg, Germany, on my notebook F >>(W2k) with OpenVMS 7.3. The CD installation kit contains an emulatedF >>OpenVMS 6.2 system disk (container file). But it isn't a "production >>environment" of course ... >m > [...]h >o > This doesn't sound like a 'demo' copy, but the picoVAX software, they are not one and the same.  What you are emulating is nothing more than a MV 2 with little memory, no NIC, and no real subsystem support.  H Agreed -- but the CD is labelled "Charon-VAX Demonstration Disk". I have5 heard of "picoVAX" but don't know the exact features.x  9 > That is not a commercial apples to apples comparison...s   ... which I didn't claim ...   Michaelt   -- r; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.t= My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003.o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.602 ************************