1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 31 Oct 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 604       Contents:P Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing  www.hpO Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp.com P Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp.6 Announcing November 11th WRUG Meeting (Northeast Ohio)I Re: Can not see raid devices (was Re: Who can help me about this trouble) $ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting$ Re: Concurrent users from Accounting Copy of SuperLat Re: Copy of SuperLat Re: Copy of SuperLat Re: Copy of SuperLat Re: DECterm/eXcursion questions  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ! Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s ( New releases of Python and MySQL for VMS, Re: New releases of Python and MySQL for VMS2 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 5002 Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 Re: Patrol x Decnet Management) request help decoding filename, then file - Re: request help decoding filename, then file - Re: request help decoding filename, then file - Re: request help decoding filename, then file - Re: request help decoding filename, then file  Re: RMS File Record Size Re: RMS File Record Size Re: RMS File Record Size SIMH: used with VMS? TS10, still around? , UK source of 800/1600 BPI SCSI reel to reel? Re: used with VMS?< Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp.com  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:21:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing  www.hp K Message-ID: <h_vob.131387$3f.19258@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >> >> Didier Morandi wrote:B >>> Looking for info, I just went to my favourite OpenVMS pages onF >>> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms when a window suddenly popped upF >>> on my M$ screen and a chat session started, powered by LivePerson. >>> Here is the log: >>>  >>> --- 2 >>> Please wait for an HP Sales Expert to respond.= >>> Welcome to HP! My name is Gene. How can I help you today. B >>> you: Hello Gene. Are you an OPS5 program or a real person? :-)6 >>> Gene: I'm real, although I've been called. . . lol >>> Gene: yes, I'm real $ >>> Gene: just making a little funny >>> Gene: how can I help youF >>> you: Good. So I leave you. I'm busy and you will be too. This game3 >>> is nice. Have a good day. Cheers from Toulouse.  >>> you: Didier : >>> Gene: Thank you for visiting hp.com. Have a Great Day!9 >>> Chat session has been terminated by the Sales Expert.  >>> ---  >>>  >>> Experimented that before?  >>D >> I didn't see it but I also have lots of 'features' disabled in my >> browser.  >>G >> On another note, what struck me as I read the VMS home page were the 9 >> following words under a couple of the section headers:  >>G >> "OpenVMS offers immunity to both planned and unplanned downtime with 5 >> proven, unmatched, continuous computing, including C >> disaster-tolerant, multisite clusters spanning 500 miles - at an  >> "open system" price." >> >> and >>H >> "OpenVMS is the acknowledged leader for enterprise-scale, bulletproofD >> computing and continues to serve the 10 million users who rely onA >> it. Simply put, nothing stops it! OpenVMS couples unparalleled > >> functionality with enhanced performance, providing the high? >> availability and reliability that your applications demand."  >>A >> These two paragraphs alone could be a pretty good beginning of G >> full-page newspaper ad in the Wall Street Journal. A few minor edits E >> (get rid of the 10 million users b.s.) and the addition of another F >> couple of paragraphs ('that's why XYZ and ABC Corp. rely on OpenVMSF >> to serve millions of customers hourly without costly downtime'), etF >> voila, an ad that conveys a powerful message to a powerful group ofD >> readers, ones who sign cheques for large computer systems and for >> large projects. > F > I have recently been made aware (in a non-NDA environment yet!) of a? > large religious sect that has a geneology database of cica. 5 B > petabytes running on an OpenVMS + StorageWorks backend. Not sure' > which database, but I'd guess Oracle.  >  > Can you say, "scalability"?  >  > T'would make a good ad, eh?     L Interesting.... would these be the guys with the data center in the old salt mine?   = Just imagine the twists in the VMS marketing possibilities...    [wicked humor]J If the XXX Church can track [whatever] and [relationships] between people,L just imagine what a similar OpenVMS system can do for your Homeland SecurityK De.......er...police state.....er....Communist regime. The possibilites for K abuses are endless. Coupled with implantable RFID technology you'll be able K to know exactly where each of your citizens/subjects are at all times, whom I they associate with and when, and when tied to financial, library, health L and other records, and advanced heuristics, you'll also be able to know what+ they will do next -- even before they do!!!   6 Be in totalitarian control. Only with OpenVMS from HP. [/wicked humor]    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:59:44 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> X Subject: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp.comG Message-ID: <kVtob.77477$7B1.3603@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Didier Morandi wrote: @ > Looking for info, I just went to my favourite OpenVMS pages onG > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms when a window suddenly popped up on F > my M$ screen and a chat session started, powered by LivePerson. Here
 > is the log:  >  > --- 0 > Please wait for an HP Sales Expert to respond.; > Welcome to HP! My name is Gene. How can I help you today. @ > you: Hello Gene. Are you an OPS5 program or a real person? :-)4 > Gene: I'm real, although I've been called. . . lol > Gene: yes, I'm real " > Gene: just making a little funny > Gene: how can I help youG > you: Good. So I leave you. I'm busy and you will be too. This game is . > nice. Have a good day. Cheers from Toulouse.
 > you: Didier 8 > Gene: Thank you for visiting hp.com. Have a Great Day!7 > Chat session has been terminated by the Sales Expert.  > ---  >  > Experimented that before?     J I didn't see it but I also have lots of 'features' disabled in my browser.  D On another note, what struck me as I read the VMS home page were the6 following words under a couple of the section headers:  L "OpenVMS offers immunity to both planned and unplanned downtime with proven,G unmatched, continuous computing, including disaster-tolerant, multisite 9 clusters spanning 500 miles - at an "open system" price."    and   E "OpenVMS is the acknowledged leader for enterprise-scale, bulletproof L computing and continues to serve the 10 million users who rely on it. SimplyF put, nothing stops it! OpenVMS couples unparalleled functionality withJ enhanced performance, providing the high availability and reliability that your applications demand."    H These two paragraphs alone could be a pretty good beginning of full-pageJ newspaper ad in the Wall Street Journal. A few minor edits (get rid of theG 10 million users b.s.) and the addition of another couple of paragraphs C ('that's why XYZ and ABC Corp. rely on OpenVMS to serve millions of J customers hourly without costly downtime'), et voila, an ad that conveys aJ powerful message to a powerful group of readers, ones who sign cheques for. large computer systems and for large projects.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:03:44 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: Advertising  - was Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp. & Message-ID: <3FA279D0.D65513F@fsi.net>   John Smith wrote:  >  > Didier Morandi wrote: B > > Looking for info, I just went to my favourite OpenVMS pages onI > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms when a window suddenly popped up on H > > my M$ screen and a chat session started, powered by LivePerson. Here > > is the log:  > >  > > --- 2 > > Please wait for an HP Sales Expert to respond.= > > Welcome to HP! My name is Gene. How can I help you today. B > > you: Hello Gene. Are you an OPS5 program or a real person? :-)6 > > Gene: I'm real, although I've been called. . . lol > > Gene: yes, I'm real $ > > Gene: just making a little funny > > Gene: how can I help youI > > you: Good. So I leave you. I'm busy and you will be too. This game is 0 > > nice. Have a good day. Cheers from Toulouse. > > you: Didier : > > Gene: Thank you for visiting hp.com. Have a Great Day!9 > > Chat session has been terminated by the Sales Expert.  > > ---  > >  > > Experimented that before?  > L > I didn't see it but I also have lots of 'features' disabled in my browser. > F > On another note, what struck me as I read the VMS home page were the8 > following words under a couple of the section headers: > N > "OpenVMS offers immunity to both planned and unplanned downtime with proven,I > unmatched, continuous computing, including disaster-tolerant, multisite ; > clusters spanning 500 miles - at an "open system" price."  >  > and  > G > "OpenVMS is the acknowledged leader for enterprise-scale, bulletproof N > computing and continues to serve the 10 million users who rely on it. SimplyH > put, nothing stops it! OpenVMS couples unparalleled functionality withL > enhanced performance, providing the high availability and reliability that > your applications demand." > J > These two paragraphs alone could be a pretty good beginning of full-pageL > newspaper ad in the Wall Street Journal. A few minor edits (get rid of theI > 10 million users b.s.) and the addition of another couple of paragraphs E > ('that's why XYZ and ABC Corp. rely on OpenVMS to serve millions of L > customers hourly without costly downtime'), et voila, an ad that conveys aL > powerful message to a powerful group of readers, ones who sign cheques for0 > large computer systems and for large projects.  D I have recently been made aware (in a non-NDA environment yet!) of aG large religious sect that has a geneology database of cica. 5 petabytes F running on an OpenVMS + StorageWorks backend. Not sure which database, but I'd guess Oracle.    Can you say, "scalability"?    T'would make a good ad, eh?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:44:33 GMT / From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> ? Subject: Announcing November 11th WRUG Meeting (Northeast Ohio) - Message-ID: <3FA2916D.24F5A0C4@ix.netcom.com>    . 0                 Announcing November 11th Meeting-                   Western Reserve Users Group .                  Local User Group of Encompass                   G                  (usual time and usual place)                            = [If you are going to attend the LUG meeting on November 11th, ? please RSVP to dtrwiz at ix dot netcom dat com   We would like  : to get an estimate of the number who will attend so we can0 have the appropriate number of slices of pizza.]  ' Topic:  HP Adaptive Enterprise Strategy   9    In May, HP announced its Adaptive Enterprise strategy  4    which enables companies to more effectively align2    business with IT so they can quickly manage and2    capitalize on change and increase the return on:    information technology (ROIT).  When moving through the5    Adaptive Enterprise journey, customers are able to 2    balance the conflicting needs of managing cost,.    increasing quality, and increasing agility.  * Speaker: Richard Pearlman, Hewlett-Packard  :    Richard Pearlman is a veteran of HP/Compaq/Digital with:    more than 25 years of experience.  He is the Tru64 UNIX>    Ambassador and OpenVMS Ambassador for western Pennsylvania -    and Eastern Ohio.  Rich is the Counterpart 2    for WRUG; he is based in the Pittsburgh office.  8 Topic:  OpenVMS Tools for Diagnosis and Problem Solving   8    Todd will review some of the tools for diagnosing and=    solving problems in OpenVMS systems - such tools as WEBES, <    DECEVENT, ECP, T4, AMDS, and ZIP/UNZIP and the transition    from DSNlink to ITRC.   ( Speaker:  Todd E. Mauer, Hewlett-Packard  A    Todd is part of the Product Competency Center team - the back  ?    line team for all OpenVMS support calls.  He is based in the     Cleveland area.  < Why Go to LUG Meetings? (Courtesy of Jim Becker and ESILUG; 5 see http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/whylugs.pdf)   5  * Information you can't get elsewhere - Even if the  3    information is "out there" sojmewhere, it's more -    focused and more reliable at a LUG meeting 5  * Insights you can't get elsewhere - There's nothing 6    like hearing the right person give you the straight7    scoop, wheather it's the speaker or another attendee <  * Someone else's expertise - Let them share their knowledge    with you 8  * Someone else's pain - Let them share their experience    with you       What we cover:7  * Topics: technology overview, best practices, lessons '    learned, standards, roadmaps, trends :  * Infrastructure: Adaptive Enterprise, backups, security,    management, provisioning 8  * Systems and software: OpenVMS, Linux, True64, HP-UX,     Windows, networks4  * Hardware: Itanium, Alpha, IA-32, PA-RISC, Storage  3 Message from David Gudewicz, Encompass LUG National 8 Chairman, regarding Encompass Membership and HP World CD proceedings:  <    On behalf of Encompass, I invite you to take advantage of:    an exclusive Local Users Group (LUG) membership offer. :    Join Encompass by November 30, 2003 for the special LUG;    rate of $75/year, and you will receive the HP World 2003 6    Conference Proceedings CD, containing more than 3007    technical sessions. (CD quantities are limited, this ;    renewal gift is available while supplies last so be sure 0    to act fast.) Preview the list of sessions at>    http://www.encompassUS.org/proceedings/abstract.cfm?conf=2.     <    Visit http://www.encompassUS.org/membership/join.html and8    complete the online form for individual membership by8    November 30 for this special offer.  Please enter the6    priority code "CDLUG" where prompted to receive the<    discounted membership rate of $75.  Please note that this<    discount off of the standard $90 membership price will be0    applied AFTER your registration is processed. 	 A    Need more reasons to join? View a complete list of membership  C    benefits at http://www.encompassUS.org/membership/benefits.html.  	 3    We thank you for your participation in the LUGs.  	 7    Questions? Contact us at membership@encompassUS.org.  	     Regards,  	     David Gudewicz "    Encompass LUG National Chairman        HP WORLD 2003 Proceedings:    '    From Encompass Points - October 2003   G    "Conference Proceedings from HP World 2003 are now available online  @    at http://www.encompassUS.org/proceedings/abstract.cfm?conf=2+    for Encompass members in good standing."    Date:     Tuesday, November 11, 2003  Time:     4:00 to 7:00 PM 
 Location: %    in the building with the HP office     ParK Center Plaza III    Lower Level conference room    6050 Oak Tree Blvd.    Independence, OH 44131 ;    (Call Rich's cell phone at 412-999-6427 if you get lost)  Map:   http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&ed=fHlg.Op_0Tp8cAk9FEnXFaJqwLrgHNEVHj2ZCgpRheC5zhYBRpY17CQ9e.8MEG4Q_RbNxpVrgvTpiJ6tD1A.32U6&csz=Independence,+OH+44131-6927&country=us&cs=9&name=&desc=&poititle=&poi=&uz=44131&ds=n&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=9&ne        Directions: C    From the area of the interchange of I-480 and I-77, go south and !    take the Rockside Road exit.    >    At the bottom of the ramp, turn right (west) on Rockside.   L    Go west two blocks (second light); turn left (south) on Oak Tree Blvd.     See the LUG's web page at   %    http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/wrug/      & Future LUG meetings are scheduled for:      January 13, 2004     March 9, 2004    May 11, 2004       See you at the meeting.    Joe H. Gallagher WRUG LUG Chair0 dtrwiz at ix dot netcom dot com                   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:12:16 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>R Subject: Re: Can not see raid devices (was Re: Who can help me about this trouble): Message-ID: <bntu4h$162n90$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Fred Jiang wrote:  > Peter,8 > Now I can find the device with name dra2:(mirror disk)6 > but I'm not familiar with the raid startup prcedure.9 > two disk dra0 and dra1 have two virtual devices bind to  each. ) > dra0(dpa40/dpa41) and dra1(dpa42/dpa43) " > For the new installed disk dra2:/ > I can't see dpa44/dpa45 being binded to dra2. ; > Is there any configuration files need to be modified? and  need to " > modify raid$startup.com as weel?; > Do you has ever seen raid command on VMS system? Lets say  $raid  > bind... Please advance.  >...  ; If you are using a hardware raid controller it will present > the virtual device to VMS, but not the physical devices. There< is not way (that I know of) to see the physical devices from8 VMS, only the virtual device.  The SHOW DEVICE DRA2/FULL4 command should show you that the device is a mirror.   $ SHOW DEVICE DRA2/FULL 8 Disk node$DRA1:, device type 2 Member RAID 1, is online, mounted, file-7 oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error  logging is enabled.   = But there is nothing you need to do to treat this differently   from a regular SCSI disk on VMS.9 So just treat the DRA like a regular disk and you will be < fine. If you need to work with the physical devices you will8 need to work at the controller level and how you do that" depends on what hardware you have.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:49:09 GMT , From: Mark Jilson <jilly@clarityconnect.com>- Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting @ Message-ID: <ea3a8cc9f3af47ff1ec1a8c8d2df4fe6@news.teranews.com>  J FWIW I've logged a suggestion to have ACCOUNTING /REPORT be able to report start & finish times.    Rob Young wrote:  5 > In article <oi$KT+0979nj@eisner.encompasserve.org>, " > briggs@encompasserve.org writes:6 >> In article <RIp7VU8XaeVA@eisner.encompasserve.org>,0 >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:A >>> In article <FfVnb.4276$G1.20834@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" & >>> <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:@ >>>> As Peter Weaver said, you can write a program that compares >>>> logon/logout times.K >>>> I have a program that does reporting from the accounting file. Reading K >>>> through this file is not easy from DCL (fields in a record do not have K >>>> a fixed length) so if you'd like the program I can send it to you. You C >>>> can start from there and keep just the bits that handle dates. I >>>> My program is in DEC-Basic and the accounting file's structure is in  >>>> the starlet library.  >>>>   >>> > >>> By the time I wrote it and debugged it I'd have it done in >>> DCL - ugly as it would be. >>> L >>> Accounting/full /since=start_time/before=end_time/type=process/out=a.out >>>  >>> read each line3 >>> When "Process Termination" is reached, read two  >>> throw away lines* >>> read next line into variable next_line >>> " >>> SUBPROCESS Process Termination" >>> ------------------------------I >>> Username:          USER11            UIC:               [AAAA,USER11] G >>> Account:           AAAA              Finish time:       29-OCT-2003  >>> 15:39:18.00 G >>> Process ID:        208C5988          Start time:        29-OCT-2003  >>> 08:29:37.29  >>>  >>> Peel Finish time:  >>> 0 >>> $ finish_time = f$edit(next_line,"COMPRESS")0 >>> $ finish_time = f$element(5," ",finish_time) >>> $ show symbol finish_time ! >>>   FINISH_TIME = "15:39:18.00"  >>> G >>> Compare finish_time to target_time if finish_time .gts. target time  >>> increment counter. >>> E >>> I mean it is straight forward and ugly , just wondering if anyone 9 >>> had something canned, but it doesn't appear that way.  >>  6 >> Right concept.  But you're sampling the wrong time. >>  G >> You want to do accounting /FULL /SINCE=TARGET_TIME /BEFORE=right-now  >>  J >> That's because accounting records are written when processes terminate, >> not when they start.  >>  D >> For every process that has terminated since your target time, youF >> want to know if that process had started prior to that target time.% >> If so, you count it.  If not, not.  >>   >  > D > Thanks.  That was the insight I needed.  In the following , notice@ > I am looking for "2003 0".  By looking for 10 a.m., the searchE > "2003 0" matches 04:34 a.m. starts, 09:59 a.m. starts, 00:01 starts F > and miss a pathological case.  I also assume they log off by 23:00 -? > arbitrary, but again catching all but the pathological cases.  > ! > Yes, narrow but suits my needs.  >  > Rob  >  > $ !  > $ ! 5 > $       acc_file = "ACCOUNTNG_NODE1_SEP03.DAT," + - 0 >                    "ACCOUNTNG_NODE2_SEP03.DAT"' > $       temp_file = "acc.tmp_scratch"  > $ ! " > $ !  Skip Labor Day and weekends > $ ! 4 > $       days_to_loop_over = "2,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12" > $       element = 0  > $ NEXT_LOOP:; > $       daynum = f$element(element,",",days_to_loop_over) ' > $       if daynum .eqs. "," then exit 2 > $       target_time = "''daynum'-sep-2003:10:00"/ > $       end_time = "''daynum'-sep-2003:23:00" - > $       day_mon_year = "''daynum'-sep-2003"  > $ !  > $ !  > $ ! < > $       Accounting      /Since          = 'Target_Time'  -; >                         /Before         = 'End_Time'    - ; >                         /Type           = Process       - ; >                         /Process        = Interactive   - ; >                         /Output         = 'Temp_File'   - 0 >                         /FULL       'acc_file' > $ ! 9 > $       assign/user search_stats.tmp_scratch sys$output E > $       search acc.tmp_scratch /match=and/out=nla0: "2003 0","Start  > time"/statK > $       pipe                                                            - K >         search search_stats.tmp_scratch "Records matched:"              - K >         | ( read sys$input a ; define/job tmp_log_tmp &a )      ;       - K >         search_results == f$trnlnm("tmp_log_tmp")               ;       - " >         deassign/job tmp_log_tmp > $ ! 1 > $       tmp = f$edit(search_results,"COMPRESS") 1 > $       concurrent_users = f$element(2," ",tmp) 9 > $       write sys$output "On ''day_mon_year' there were * > ''concurrent_users' users on at 10 a.m."0 > $       delete/nolog/noconfirm *.tmp_scratch;* > $       element = element + 1  > $       goto next_loop   --  C Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY H       - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanH       - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or soH       - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:36:04 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>- Subject: Re: Concurrent users from Accounting 8 Message-ID: <ip35qv8s2nav2rhe0v1td6juivfqfkjcb4@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:27:18 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  K >Since the accounting file layout is documented, write a small program that  >scans the accounting file.  > M >For every record where start time is less than the selected time and the end B >time is more than the selected time, then increment counter by 1.  J The main problem with using Accounting to produce this information is that it is easily lost information.  G I ran systems with batch jobs that ran for days, sometimes weeks (a VAX G 11/785).  If the system crashed all this information was not written to  accounting file.  I Unfortunately, as Rob has said, he need this information for time periods  that are already in the past.   K The programming can be done, but it may not be completely accurate results.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2003 02:16:55 -0800' From: memnon@mail.com (Memnon Emmanuel)  Subject: Copy of SuperLat < Message-ID: <d2313732.0310310216.f9b1340@posting.google.com>  E I've been trying to get a hold of a copy of SuperLAT for either NT4.0 D or Windows 98, but all 3 companies that have owned this product haveD gone out of bussiness (Meirdian,Soft..something,and a third I forget altogether).( Does anyone have a copy I could try out?  F (If this product still exists or is being sold by someone else PLEASE, PLEASE let me know.)   Thanks,    memnon.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:09:40 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Copy of SuperLat ' Message-ID: <3FA27B34.97489B81@fsi.net>    Memnon Emmanuel wrote: > G > I've been trying to get a hold of a copy of SuperLAT for either NT4.0 F > or Windows 98, but all 3 companies that have owned this product haveF > gone out of bussiness (Meirdian,Soft..something,and a third I forget > altogether).* > Does anyone have a copy I could try out? > H > (If this product still exists or is being sold by someone else PLEASE, > PLEASE let me know.)  9 Amazing. Your environment's net-folks still tolerate LAT?   H Note sure what SuperLAT would do for you that can't be served some otherE way. Maybe if you describe your quandry in some detail, other posters  might have a suggestion or two.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:32:21 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)  Subject: Re: Copy of SuperLat ( Message-ID: <bnu6b5$6ag$1@pcls4.std.com>  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   : >Amazing. Your environment's net-folks still tolerate LAT?  J What do you mean by this? Is LAT (perceived to be) a bad neighbor on a LANB or do you mean the "It's not TCP/IP, get it off my LAN!" attitude?  I >Note sure what SuperLAT would do for you that can't be served some other F >way. Maybe if you describe your quandry in some detail, other posters  >might have a suggestion or two.  2 Yes, almost anything non-ancient can speak TCP/IP. --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:41:39 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: Copy of SuperLat ' Message-ID: <3FA2ACE3.8020701@MMaz.com>    Michael Moroney wrote:  4 >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >  >    > ; >>Amazing. Your environment's net-folks still tolerate LAT?  >>     >> > K >What do you mean by this? Is LAT (perceived to be) a bad neighbor on a LAN C >or do you mean the "It's not TCP/IP, get it off my LAN!" attitude?  >    > G We still use LAT in limited cases for DECservers, etc but the point is  I that if you are looking for LAT support for a PC, well you should really  B be using a different protcol stack which is rather evident by the @ difficulties of trying to find the abandon stack you speak of...   >    > J >>Note sure what SuperLAT would do for you that can't be served some otherG >>way. Maybe if you describe your quandry in some detail, other posters ! >>might have a suggestion or two.  >>     >> > 3 >Yes, almost anything non-ancient can speak TCP/IP.  >    > I Even ancient can speak TCP/IP, there are very few systems where a TCP/IP  H stack cannot be obtained, in some cases for free (ie. CMU/IP for VMS)...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:35:58 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>( Subject: Re: DECterm/eXcursion questions0 Message-ID: <bnt3a0$cej12@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>   Daniel Gustafsson schrieb:G > When I paste into a DECterm window running on eXcursion/Windows 2000, + > I always get two newlines instead of one.  >  > If I copy this from Notepad  > "  > first line
 > second line  > "  > $ > I get this when I paste in DECterm > "  > first line > 
 > second line  >  > "  > E > Is there an option or something I can do to change this behaviour ?  > D > How can I specify a port other than the default 6000 in eXcursion? > 	 > Regards  > Daniel Gustafsson % > http://developer.mimer.se/downloads   H Seems to be an eXcursion thing, because EXCEED just inserts the 2 lines.   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2003 05:38:16 -0800' From: n.rieck@sympatico.ca (Neil Rieck) $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!= Message-ID: <a5396d5d.0310310538.4fafc8e2@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<IS7$kXdCDnFC@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > G >    I think EV68 and later are depending on IBM's copper process.  I'm J >    sure IBM would move to protect any direct challenge to what is surelyJ >    a patented process.  It may be too expensive or technically difficult0 >    to fab EV7 et.al. with a different process.  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12351   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:15:56 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!H Message-ID: <w8uob.77482$7B1.52598@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: @ > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in9 > message news:<IS7$kXdCDnFC@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  >>H >>    I think EV68 and later are depending on IBM's copper process.  I'mD >>    sure IBM would move to protect any direct challenge to what is< >>    surely a patented process.  It may be too expensive orG >>    technically difficult to fab EV7 et.al. with a different process.  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12351     L Not being up to speed on the FAB process, perhaps Intel could give EV79 a go	 with this ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12373    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:13:05 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>& Subject: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s2 Message-ID: <3fa21998$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Today is Friday.P At DEC we use(d?) to have a beer or something together each Friday evening in a . bar in Maynard, Nashua and probably elsewhere.  The meeting was named p*o*e*t*s. Is it still alive?  J Today, I suggest to introduce virtual p*o*e*t*s for every VMS afficionado.P Every Friday, we could post in here an URL with pleasant (and correct) contents.- I start (no virtual beer, just relaxing fun):   ( http://www.vmsone.com/~opcom/defcon9.htm   D.P PS: I do not agree. Finding a password *is* hacking. Even if it is written down  on a piece of paper or sniffed.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:47:14 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s0 Message-ID: <00A28303.493EB7D8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3fa21998$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  >Today is Friday. Q >At DEC we use(d?) to have a beer or something together each Friday evening in a  / >bar in Maynard, Nashua and probably elsewhere. ! >The meeting was named p*o*e*t*s.  >Is it still alive?   M I know that p*o*e*t*s gatherings are popular in UK pubs; I wasn't aware that  L they were held here in the states too! ;)   Perhaps, you'd care to enlighten8 those that do not know the significance of this acronym.    K >Today, I suggest to introduce virtual p*o*e*t*s for every VMS afficionado. Q >Every Friday, we could post in here an URL with pleasant (and correct) contents.N. >I start (no virtual beer, just relaxing fun):  . http://www.virtualbeer.com/vb/send/index.shtml   -- eL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:23:50 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s' Message-ID: <bntk6p$545$1@lore.csc.com>*  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:* > Y > In article <3fa21998$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:t > >Today is Friday.NR > >At DEC we use(d?) to have a beer or something together each Friday evening in a1 > >bar in Maynard, Nashua and probably elsewhere. # > >The meeting was named p*o*e*t*s.r > >Is it still alive?o > N > I know that p*o*e*t*s gatherings are popular in UK pubs; I wasn't aware thatN > they were held here in the states too! ;)   Perhaps, you'd care to enlighten: > those that do not know the significance of this acronym.   p*** 0 off  earlyx
 tomorrow's Saturday   I wish.d  G Actually I was in early this morning (0700) so I can leave at 3 (1500), D follow the sun support has benefits. Of course this brings an issue,D while in the UK it's a little after midday, in Oz (NSW) they'll haveE downed enough schooners; that the next thing they'll remember is thatR. they must have arrived home on a beer scooter.  D How early does your typical west coast US resident take an alcoholic- beverage on the last day of the working week?s -- w? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences- nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:30:08 +0100j" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s2 Message-ID: <3fa255d7$0$248$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Nic Clews wrote:  # > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote::N >>I know that p*o*e*t*s gatherings are popular in UK pubs; I wasn't aware thatN >>they were held here in the states too! ;)   Perhaps, you'd care to enlighten: >>those that do not know the significance of this acronym. >  >  > p*** t > offe > earlyv > tomorrow's
 > Saturday  
 or "everyone"-   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2003 07:50:54 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)>* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s3 Message-ID: <IMEgQsFyq4Vc@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  W In article <3fa21998$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  > * > http://www.vmsone.com/~opcom/defcon9.htm >  > D.R > PS: I do not agree. Finding a password *is* hacking. Even if it is written down ! > on a piece of paper or sniffed.e >   G 	Walking up, plugging into your terminal server and sniffing a passwordeF 	while engaged in conversation isn't hacking, it's social engineering.  9 	Just like when Mitnick talked his way into sucking down r
 	source code.   F 	Hacking (the nasty kind) is writing a piece of software that exploits( 	a weakness (or weaknesses) in a system.  B 	Are there overlaps?  Sure.  I'm sure successful folks (1) have toB 	occasionally social engineer their way to a place where they can ! 	install an exploit and what not.    				Rob-  , (1)  Criminals, spies , high-schoolers, etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:19:31 +0100o2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s* Message-ID: <bnu26h$p28$1@reader11.wxs.nl>  I When I worked with for Digital in Holland (1985-1997), we had our friday dC afternoon drinks on the premises. Started as a department morality t< booster, but soon other departments sent their delegates :-)  @ Was strictly against company policy of course, but you know the  independant Dutch...  H Lasted about a year and a half, and disappeared when a more rules-based  management arrived.>  H My link: http://www.digitalblasphemy.com (don't jump to conclusions, go 
 look and see)o   Wilm   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Today is Friday.E > At DEC we use(d?) to have a beer or something together each Friday r= > evening in a bar in Maynard, Nashua and probably elsewhere.r" > The meeting was named p*o*e*t*s. > Is it still alive? > L > Today, I suggest to introduce virtual p*o*e*t*s for every VMS afficionado.I > Every Friday, we could post in here an URL with pleasant (and correct) c > contents.e/ > I start (no virtual beer, just relaxing fun):  > * > http://www.vmsone.com/~opcom/defcon9.htm >  > D.E > PS: I do not agree. Finding a password *is* hacking. Even if it is r. > written down on a piece of paper or sniffed. >    -- V
 Wilm Boerhouts   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:32:28 GMTy" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s0 Message-ID: <00A2832B.2215A97B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <bntk6p$545$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>  Z >> In article <3fa21998$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: >> >Today is Friday.S >> >At DEC we use(d?) to have a beer or something together each Friday evening in ae2 >> >bar in Maynard, Nashua and probably elsewhere.$ >> >The meeting was named p*o*e*t*s. >> >Is it still alive? >> -O >> I know that p*o*e*t*s gatherings are popular in UK pubs; I wasn't aware that O >> they were held here in the states too! ;)   Perhaps, you'd care to enlighten.; >> those that do not know the significance of this acronym.. >l >p***  >off >early >tomorrow'so	 >Saturdayk >  >I wish. >uH >Actually I was in early this morning (0700) so I can leave at 3 (1500),E >follow the sun support has benefits. Of course this brings an issue,sE >while in the UK it's a little after midday, in Oz (NSW) they'll have F >downed enough schooners; that the next thing they'll remember is that/ >they must have arrived home on a beer scooter.o >nE >How early does your typical west coast US resident take an alcoholich. >beverage on the last day of the working week?  C Dunno.  I am on the east coast.  Having Guinness on tap in my home, D I've made it a rule to not imbibe until after 5:00pm on any weekday.D Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.  Hmmm... It's nearly D noon.  I might have to join the poets society for lunch now that all of the discussion has ensued.e   -- tL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            f5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" a   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2003 08:54:52 -0800. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*s= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0310310854.476e68d5@posting.google.com>i  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A28303.493EB7D8@SendSpamHere.ORG>...Y > In article <3fa21998$0$239$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:n > >Today is Friday.rS > >At DEC we use(d?) to have a beer or something together each Friday evening in a s1 > >bar in Maynard, Nashua and probably elsewhere.n# > >The meeting was named p*o*e*t*s.n > >Is it still alive?r > O > I know that p*o*e*t*s gatherings are popular in UK pubs; I wasn't aware that nN > they were held here in the states too! ;)   Perhaps, you'd care to enlighten: > those that do not know the significance of this acronym. >  > M > >Today, I suggest to introduce virtual p*o*e*t*s for every VMS afficionado.oS > >Every Friday, we could post in here an URL with pleasant (and correct) contents.o0 > >I start (no virtual beer, just relaxing fun): > 0 > http://www.virtualbeer.com/vb/send/index.shtml  = Remember when there was much speculation as to what the "EV" 3* in the Alpha chip revs actually stood for?  G One of the more interesting suggestions was "Electoluminescent Vlasic"-/B (Vlasic is a brand of pickle in case your shop doesn't stock them)   Hence my submission:  2 "Characterization of Organic Illumination Systems"  E http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/techreports/html/TN-13/pickle.htmlp  A (The research, of course, was done during the d|i|g|i|t|a|l era,  E  as it is generally accepted that the concept of original scientific  ?  research was one of many things that was forgotten during the  %  d|i|g|i|t|a|l => Compaq transition.)M  C I had an mpeg once showing one of these little beauties flaming outuA after almost a minute of luminescing, but I've forgotten where ith was located.   .  D (I don't think any mention was made of post-ignition taste testing.)   ========================! William W. Webb- EMS Operations, I OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road  ( Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7500x4186I * * * -      email is first initial last name at email stop usps stop govs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:57:36 -0700e% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>i* Subject: Re: INTRODUCING Virtual P*o*e*t*sB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031031095622.01d6ae60@raptor.psccos.com>  + At 09:54 AM 10/31/2003, William Webb wrote:e= >Remember when there was much speculation as to what the "EV"i+ >in the Alpha chip revs actually stood for?h >oH >One of the more interesting suggestions was "Electoluminescent Vlasic"-C >(Vlasic is a brand of pickle in case your shop doesn't stock them)  >  >Hence my submission:i >h3 >"Characterization of Organic Illumination Systems"o > F >http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/techreports/html/TN-13/pickle.html >pA >(The research, of course, was done during the d|i|g|i|t|a|l era,lF >  as it is generally accepted that the concept of original scientific@ >  research was one of many things that was forgotten during the' >  d|i|g|i|t|a|l => Compaq transition.)n > D >I had an mpeg once showing one of these little beauties flaming outB >after almost a minute of luminescing, but I've forgotten where it
 >was located.f  F I saw a demo at a Wizard session at DECUS in Anaheim in, I think, '97.H The smell of a smoked pickle is REALLY interesting in a confined room...   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:15:17 +0100l From: jf.pieronne@laposte.netw1 Subject: New releases of Python and MySQL for VMS-2 Message-ID: <bntqpm$563$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr>   Hi all,l  = Kits for Python 2.3.1 and MySQL 4.0.16 are now available from A http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ and the two mirrors.e  8 Python 2.3.1, now, pass succesfully all the TCPIP tests.J A bug using long socket messages has been also fixed (exhibit by the Pyro @ team, thanks to Colin Brown who has provide a small reproducer).  F MySQL 4.0.16 is the latest MySQL stable version, previous version was J incorrectly build and don't include all some features like cache requests. Thisis fixed into this port.    
 Jean-Franoiss   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:36:01 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>5 Subject: Re: New releases of Python and MySQL for VMS 2 Message-ID: <3fa28f7b$0$244$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  . JF tu mrites une bote de chocolats (suisses)   D.   jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote:  	 > Hi all,  > ? > Kits for Python 2.3.1 and MySQL 4.0.16 are now available from)C > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ and the two mirrors.  > : > Python 2.3.1, now, pass succesfully all the TCPIP tests.G > A bug using long socket messages has been also fixed (exhibit by the lG > Pyro team, thanks to Colin Brown who has provide a small reproducer).i > H > MySQL 4.0.16 is the latest MySQL stable version, previous version was L > incorrectly build and don't include all some features like cache requests. > Thisis fixed into this port.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:01:33 +0000iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500s/ Message-ID: <bnttgd$lh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>I   jlsue wrote:G > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:33:56 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancya0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>jlsue wrote: >>H >>>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:12:50 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:B >>>  >>>S >>>  >>> C >>>>Check my past posts I have also never suggested that OpenVMS isyA >>>>crap, rubbish, terrible, slow, insecure etc all words used byeC >>>>members of the choir describe Solaris, Linux, UNIX. Mostly usednB >>>>by people who have absolutely no experience of the system that >>>>they are describing. >>>>D >>>>I am carefull not describe OpenVMS in these terms because I have> >>>>no current experience of OpenVMS, I used VMS when I was at? >>>>univercity and later when I used to install DECNET on SunOSeA >>>>at Digital/Sun sites. Its a great pity that the vast majorityv@ >>>>of Solaris slaggers off who fall directly into this category+ >>>>as well don't follow the same strategy.i >>>a >>>,J >>>You have made claims about things like capabilities of VMSclusters thatL >>>have been clearly wrong.  And you have argued with posts by others who doK >>>have the real-world experience about those capabilities.  This, at best, 9 >>>contradicts your first statement in paragraph 2 above.r >>>i >> >>? >>Crap, I made not claims about OpenVMS cluster that were wronga> >>I corrected a whole load of BS about the capabilites of UNIX> >>clusters that periodically invaded this newsgroup from a few >>ill informed sources.e >  >  > Check this entire string:  > = > 	Subject:  Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solutionD > I > I tried repeatedly to explain to you that most of what Kerry said abouttK > VMSclusters was true, and have been involved with many clusters as way of. > showing my experience. > * > You choose to continue arguing about it. >   ; Really so what in my posts were you actually objecting to ?f   Be a bit more specific.i   Regardsv Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:27:55 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500s8 Message-ID: <db35qvkbemte13e2o9bqnia0naa4qgieaf@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:30:06 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:     >iL >So go to see what platforms Bloomberg supports as clients - Windoze on x86, >and Solaris on Sparc. >  >No IA-64 in sight for any o/s.   C Er... are any of the *client* platforms supported 64-bit platforms?   G This is CLIENT platform not server, where the greatest concentration of F resources is working toward for the IA-64 systems - including OpenVMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:29:55 GMTl& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500s8 Message-ID: <qf35qvc7iiim5o5975hpq0278uev7emrnq@4ax.com>  E On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:01:33 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyh. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote: H >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:33:56 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >> t >> a >>>jlsue wrote:a >>>?I >>>>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:12:50 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyQ2 >>>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>D >>>>>Check my past posts I have also never suggested that OpenVMS isB >>>>>crap, rubbish, terrible, slow, insecure etc all words used byD >>>>>members of the choir describe Solaris, Linux, UNIX. Mostly usedC >>>>>by people who have absolutely no experience of the system thatt >>>>>they are describing.  >>>>>fE >>>>>I am carefull not describe OpenVMS in these terms because I have:? >>>>>no current experience of OpenVMS, I used VMS when I was ate@ >>>>>univercity and later when I used to install DECNET on SunOSB >>>>>at Digital/Sun sites. Its a great pity that the vast majorityA >>>>>of Solaris slaggers off who fall directly into this category-, >>>>>as well don't follow the same strategy. >>>> >>>>K >>>>You have made claims about things like capabilities of VMSclusters thatRM >>>>have been clearly wrong.  And you have argued with posts by others who dogL >>>>have the real-world experience about those capabilities.  This, at best,: >>>>contradicts your first statement in paragraph 2 above. >>>> >>>  >>>o@ >>>Crap, I made not claims about OpenVMS cluster that were wrong? >>>I corrected a whole load of BS about the capabilites of UNIX ? >>>clusters that periodically invaded this newsgroup from a fewa >>>ill informed sources. >> d >> r >> Check this entire string: >> f> >> 	Subject:  Compaq: A simple, affordable clustering solution >> sJ >> I tried repeatedly to explain to you that most of what Kerry said aboutL >> VMSclusters was true, and have been involved with many clusters as way of >> showing my experience.i >>  + >> You choose to continue arguing about it.T >>   >n< >Really so what in my posts were you actually objecting to ? >l >Be a bit more specific.  K It's all clearly spelled-out in that stream.  I presented much analysis and G explained areas where they were implemented successfully, just as Kerrys, described, which contradicts your arguments.  F I'm not going to re-hash an entire discussion in this stream, you read
 through them.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:46:14 GMTj# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 ISV application count now over 500 J Message-ID: <qlwob.131399$3f.7109@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   jlsue wrote:H > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:30:06 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >a >i >>F >> So go to see what platforms Bloomberg supports as clients - Windoze  >> on x86, and Solaris on Sparc. >>! >> No IA-64 in sight for any o/s.c >iE > Er... are any of the *client* platforms supported 64-bit platforms?- > F > This is CLIENT platform not server, where the greatest concentrationB > of resources is working toward for the IA-64 systems - including
 > OpenVMS.    L Financial apps, Monte-Carlo simulations, non-linear programming can benefit.   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2003 14:54:18 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>' Subject: Re: Patrol x Decnet Managementn/ Message-ID: <slrnbq4tso.d7.thierry@mars.family>>   Hello!  C In article <f30679fb.0310290235.1b3209db@posting.google.com>, Fabiop Cardoso wrote: > Well >E > I just wanted a "monitoring node" for other Decnet nodes (passive).eC > I know OpenView could do that but we dont have it in the company.C= > There is no product to check if a Decnet node is "up", likey+ > a Decnet ping ! We have Tivoli, Patrol...o  B This is most probably not what you want, but if you set up a LinuxH machine with DECnet in the kernel and the DECnet utilities, you can have% a DECnet ping command (dnping). e.g.:    mars$ dnping merkur 5 " Sent 5 packets, Received 5 packets mars$n   Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:30:11 -0500d From: norm.raphael@metso.com2 Subject: request help decoding filename, then fileQ Message-ID: <OF1483FBA8.2DBC43CE-ON85256DD0.004F390F-85256DD0.004F58A6@metso.com>n  3 This file was ftp-transferred to my OpenVMS system.   ? It has had it's filename improperly mangled due to a problem in B the ftp_server.  I need to know what the filename would have been.  E Then I wonder if the "GZ" at the end of the TYPE field indicates thatsD I need a tool to process the file.  If this is so, the what tool and where (URL?) do I get it.F    @ 031021-$MA-CP$ASCII.LOG$5NGZ;1            File ID:  (109520,7,0)/ Size:         6033/6040       Owner:    [USER1] # Created:    21-OCT-2003 13:23:33.04 ' Revised:    21-OCT-2003 13:23:36.32 (1)o Expires:    <None specified>  Backup:     <No backup recorded> Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughG File attributes:    Allocation: 6040, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0c$                     No version limit1 Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte records> Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:> Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None  " Total of 1 file, 6033/6040 blocks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:50:13 +0100r- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>a6 Subject: Re: request help decoding filename, then file9 Message-ID: <bntsr5$15ph9u$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>-   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: 5 > This file was ftp-transferred to my OpenVMS system.  > A > It has had it's filename improperly mangled due to a problem in"D > the ftp_server.  I need to know what the filename would have been. > G > Then I wonder if the "GZ" at the end of the TYPE field indicates thataF > I need a tool to process the file.  If this is so, the what tool and > where (URL?) do I get it.  >  > B > 031021-$MA-CP$ASCII.LOG$5NGZ;1            File ID:  (109520,7,0)  F Just a guess: the first two "$"s represent a change in case, while theA last "$5N" is some encoding of a dot. So the name would have been3D "031021-ma-cpASCII.LOG.GZ" or more likely "031021-MA-CPascii.log.gz"  A ".gz" stands for a GZIPped archive. GUNZIP is available e.g. from  the Freeware CD.   cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:13:46 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>06 Subject: Re: request help decoding filename, then file' Message-ID: <3FA27C2A.52824F5D@fsi.net>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:t > 5 > This file was ftp-transferred to my OpenVMS system.  > A > It has had it's filename improperly mangled due to a problem in D > the ftp_server.  I need to know what the filename would have been. > G > Then I wonder if the "GZ" at the end of the TYPE field indicates thatcF > I need a tool to process the file.  If this is so, the what tool and > where (URL?) do I get it.t > B > 031021-$MA-CP$ASCII.LOG$5NGZ;1            File ID:  (109520,7,0)1 > Size:         6033/6040       Owner:    [USER1]h% > Created:    21-OCT-2003 13:23:33.04 ) > Revised:    21-OCT-2003 13:23:36.32 (1)k > Expires:    <None specified>" > Backup:     <No backup recorded> > Effective:  <None specified> > Recording:  <None specified> > Accessed:   <None specified> > Attributes: <None specified> > Modified:   <None specified> > Linkcount:  1   > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      Online" > Caching attribute:  WritethroughI > File attributes:    Allocation: 6040, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0r& >                     No version limit3 > Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte recordst > Record attributes:  None > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None? > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:s > Access Cntrl List:  None > Client attributes:  None > $ > Total of 1 file, 6033/6040 blocks.  F It does indeed appear to be a .GZ file, so yes - you'll need something that can read that.o  D A recent post from Didier suggests that the current UNZIP can handle< GZIP'd archives as well. I have not confirmed this, however.   -- d David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2003 09:23:07 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org6 Subject: Re: request help decoding filename, then file3 Message-ID: <db5hP7hVPEti@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  p In article <OF1483FBA8.2DBC43CE-ON85256DD0.004F390F-85256DD0.004F58A6@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > 5 > This file was ftp-transferred to my OpenVMS system.r > A > It has had it's filename improperly mangled due to a problem in9D > the ftp_server.  I need to know what the filename would have been. > G > Then I wonder if the "GZ" at the end of the TYPE field indicates thataF > I need a tool to process the file.  If this is so, the what tool and > where (URL?) do I get it.P >  > B > 031021-$MA-CP$ASCII.LOG$5NGZ;1            File ID:  (109520,7,0)   031021-Ma-cpAscii.log.gz  ? The dollar sign is generally used as a single character upshiftf= and escape code intruducer for special characters.  I've seen.= multiple dot filenames encoded often enough to recognize $5N.r  > The gz suffix indicates that the text file was compressed withB gzip.  You could use gunzip or a general purpose archive tool such" as WINZIP to deal with that issue.  @ You should be able to find a copy of gunzip by looking around at* http://www.gnu.org/directory/GNU/gzip.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:34:06 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com6 Subject: Re: request help decoding filename, then fileQ Message-ID: <OFF640A9D1.4C19E7CC-ON85256DD0.005FF455-85256DD0.00602F55@metso.com>i   Thanks.n    I got the GZIP zip file from A <url:ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/gzip-1-2-4b.zip>  and it GUNZIPed successfully..   (Thanks, again, Hunter  8-) !)  E P.S.  The link at Dr Zinser's site is to WKU, which IIRC is no longer-
        valid.e      E From:  "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> on 10/31/2003 09:50 AMo  9 Please respond to "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>-       To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:d  9 Subject:    Re: request help decoding filename, then fileo     norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:l5 > This file was ftp-transferred to my OpenVMS system.e >oA > It has had it's filename improperly mangled due to a problem ingD > the ftp_server.  I need to know what the filename would have been. > G > Then I wonder if the "GZ" at the end of the TYPE field indicates thatyF > I need a tool to process the file.  If this is so, the what tool and > where (URL?) do I get it.c >s >kB > 031021-$MA-CP$ASCII.LOG$5NGZ;1            File ID:  (109520,7,0)  F Just a guess: the first two "$"s represent a change in case, while theA last "$5N" is some encoding of a dot. So the name would have beenMD "031021-ma-cpASCII.LOG.GZ" or more likely "031021-MA-CPascii.log.gz"  A ".gz" stands for a GZIPped archive. GUNZIP is available e.g. from- the Freeware CD.   cu,    Martin --F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    F From:  "Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser" <ZINSER@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> on        10/31/2003 08:59 AM   To:    norm.raphael@metso.com  cc:g  9 Subject:    Re: request help decoding filename, then filee     Hi,t  " you will need gzip. Get it e.g. at  . http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/vms/sw/gzip.htmlx   Greetings, Martin   8 P.S. I am not sure if it was a particularly good idea to8 compress ascii data with gzip for transfer to an OpenVMS system in the first place...   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2003 08:06:41 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org! Subject: Re: RMS File Record Size.3 Message-ID: <a+oUD497Tw5z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <dfc2JoEhwIDM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Pn > In article <eWfob.423$Tn6.30218@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> writes:O >> In an indexed RMS file, is there any performance benefit of using a power of.N >> 2 (128, 256, 512, 1024, etc.) record size?  Our system is Alpha OpenVMS 7.3 > J > Depending on your bucket size, wasted space might be avoided by choosing9 > certain record sizes for your fixed length record file.   H True.  But this assumes that one has data record compression turned off.@ And you have to realize that you're merely trading wasted space.C Increase the record size to fit the block size and you have reduced G unused space in the block and increased unused space inside the record.i  F Also, if you tune the record size to the bucket size, you've just shot@ yourself in the foot if you then turn around and attempt to tuneA the bucket size based on access patterns or disk drive efficiencyD	 concerns.t  E And you have to worry about RMS housekeeping overhead within the data C buckets.  If you try to fill up a 8192 byte bucket with 8 1024 bytegG records, it would be embarrassing to find that 20 bytes of RMS overhead E has dropped you from 8 records per block down to 7 records per block.-  < In my opinion, tuning record size in this way is a bad idea.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:25:17 -070018 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam>! Subject: Re: RMS File Record Sizer0 Message-ID: <ihuob.95$ss3.22002@news.uswest.net>  7 Thanks for the replies.  I asked because I didn't know.    Mike.c  + <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote in messaget- news:a+oUD497Tw5z@eisner.encompasserve.org...yK > In article <dfc2JoEhwIDM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  (Larry Kilgallen) writes: G > > In article <eWfob.423$Tn6.30218@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober"l( <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> writes:H > >> In an indexed RMS file, is there any performance benefit of using a power ofL > >> 2 (128, 256, 512, 1024, etc.) record size?  Our system is Alpha OpenVMS 7.33 > >5L > > Depending on your bucket size, wasted space might be avoided by choosing; > > certain record sizes for your fixed length record file.t >bJ > True.  But this assumes that one has data record compression turned off.B > And you have to realize that you're merely trading wasted space.E > Increase the record size to fit the block size and you have reducedBI > unused space in the block and increased unused space inside the record.h >eH > Also, if you tune the record size to the bucket size, you've just shotB > yourself in the foot if you then turn around and attempt to tuneC > the bucket size based on access patterns or disk drive efficiencye > concerns.e >nG > And you have to worry about RMS housekeeping overhead within the datawE > buckets.  If you try to fill up a 8192 byte bucket with 8 1024 byte I > records, it would be embarrassing to find that 20 bytes of RMS overhead G > has dropped you from 8 records per block down to 7 records per block.5 >n> > In my opinion, tuning record size in this way is a bad idea. >o
 > John Briggse   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:47:12 GMTh9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> ! Subject: Re: RMS File Record Sizet. Message-ID: <3FA27554.B71C754@eps.zko.dec.com>   JF Mezei wrote:s   > Hein van den Heuvel wrote:D > > The VAXmail application opted for external files to hold messageP > > objects larger then a given size (1500 byte, which is too small these days). >sP > How feasable would it be to increase that size in an upcoming version of VMS ?D > Woudl it require a convert/fdl of all mail.mai files on a system ?  H Very feasible. I've done lunchtime discussions on this with the lady who could/would fix it.0  Q When this was designed 20 years ago, the typical disk cluster size was 3 blocks =r 1536 bytes.a- Now clustersizes are more like 19 if not 70+. O So if you you are going to create an external file for 1500 bytes already, then 
 you can beR wasting anythwhere from 10KB to 30KB. The 'waste' can not be larger than 30KB-ish,  K if mail sticks to tbe basic scheme, because the maximum RMS records size is'	 32KB-ish.t  K My suggestionsis a two-tiered scheme, determine when a mail file is opened:n, If there is an MRS set for the file, use it.? If MRS=0 then use 512*bucket-size minus overhead (those 15+13).s  K IF (big IF) work will be done on this. You might not get any new interface.pH You'd just get documentation on how to roll your own FDL and re-convert.9 This would also NOT integrate old message, just new ones. B You could use MAIL's copy/move commands to integrate old messages.R An easy  one-plus would be a switch on COMPRESS to set a new external size for new	 messages.-6 Ideally compress would also re-integrate old messages.; (It wouldn't be to hard to write an external program to so):    ; A while back I analyzed my own mail message size behaviour:eG I had 2000 external messages ($DIR MAIL$*.*) out of 3500 (search/stat).9H Looking in detail at the sizes of the external files I saw the following
 distribution:y  0     Used size,  Accumulated Percentage of files.           4       19.75n         5       32.5         6       42         7       49.75T         8       56.3	         :          16      78.6	         :n         32      92	         :e         40      95  K     In other words, had the cut-off point been 8Kb (16 blocks) then I woulduL     have had a quart of the external files (500 instead of 2000) in my case.K     Of course my mail.mai file would have been significantly bigger (12,000s$     blocks) to hold the actual data.  J     It would have saved space (and thus time) because a) disk cluster sizeG     roundup and b) rms indexed files can do (limited) data compression.y     >eH > > storage systems. RMS just packs records tightly in a bucket, with 15? > > bytes overhead/bucket and 9 - 13 bytes overhead per record.y > M > If one uses EDIT/FDL to create an indexed file, do the scripts take care ofhJ > selecting the right buffer sizes that include any overhead on top of the > specified record sizes ?  
 Of course.   Cheers,- Hein.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:20:19 +0100o" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: SIMH: used with VMS? 2 Message-ID: <3fa2619a$0$245$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  9 Has anyone around here (successfully) used VMS with SIMH?  http://simh.trailing-edge.com/   Tx,p   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:22:15 +0100y" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: TS10, still around?2 Message-ID: <3fa2620e$0$245$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  M Does anyone know if TS10 is still a project under development? Does not look -M like, according to the SourceForge site http://sourceforge.net/projects/ts10/u  . Does anyone know if VMS once booted with TS10?   Tx,-   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:31:27 +0000c* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>5 Subject: UK source of 800/1600 BPI SCSI reel to reel?h' Message-ID: <bntv6g$8tg$1@lore.csc.com>n   Longshot time.  G We're looking for what is detailed in the subject. Cipher is a possible ! make (the long flat autoloaders).   C 800 BPI is the real requirement, unfortunately due to the situationnF there is no way a bureau service could be used for data transfer etc.,B the general idea is to hang the tape drive on the back of an Alpha (PCI).  F A less preferable alternative is to connect a tape drive to a HSC70 on CI...s   Any ideas/leads? e   TIA  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:45:12 +0100i- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>- Subject: Re: used with VMS?e9 Message-ID: <bntplg$15fleg$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>b   Didier Morandi wrote:>; > Has anyone around here (successfully) used VMS with SIMH?u  > http://simh.trailing-edge.com/  = I rather like peoples' looks when I boot VMS on my laptop :-)d   cu,f   Martin -- oF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:46:03 +0100a" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>E Subject: Re: [OT/FUN] HP live chat popped up when browsing www.hp.comi2 Message-ID: <3fa21342$0$251$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Empty Stomach wrote:! (please stop by the cafetaria :-)s  = > Did you request this, or was this totally forced onto you ? M It just popped. I confess I clicked into the window, then the dialog started.   I > Was this a JAVA applet, or some proprietary microsoft messaging thing ?a# No idea, I'm an Apple/VMS person...    D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.604 ************************