1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 01 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 483       Contents:M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal 5 DHCP serving multiple subnets on same physical medium  Re: HSZTERM  Re: HSZTERM  Re: HSZTERM  Re: HSZTERM  Re: HSZTERM  Memory for VS3100  Re: Serial console Shadowing question: NOMASTER  Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTER The vmsnet hierarchy Re: The vmsnet hierarchy Re: The vmsnet hierarchy Re: The vmsnet hierarchy Re: The vmsnet hierarchy1 VMS and SAN storage.  Was RE: OVM & DELL servers.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:58:14 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <310820031958142355%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  C In article <jDevLcSvzSE7@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen  <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  H > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEPPHNAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" > <tom@kednos.com> writes: > > Is xmodmap an option?  > > D > > http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2003-July/025354.html > K > That page seems like it would only affect applications using the Xwindows  > subsystem. > L > Other than that, it seems quite Unixy, which is not why I chose Macintosh.G > I would prefer a clear menu interface the way the rest of Terminal is 
 > controlled. D I'm with you on that. XTerm with the X11 server is good for xmodmap,B but terminal won't look at xmodmap and I have not yet found how toF remap keys in it. Whatever, it is far too unixy. Besides Mac OS steals8 half the good key combinations before you get warmed up.  F I'll confess to typing the odd VT key sequence out in full to keep our@ VMS applications happy, but that ain't the right way to fly EDT.E On the Macs round here the ` IS next to the 1 and teco will accept it C as an escape surrogate. OK, I'll admit I hate ` for escape, it only ? came in in 1985, far too recent to be accepted as a proper key.    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2003 21:31:46 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis)> Subject: DHCP serving multiple subnets on same physical medium: Message-ID: <bitpg2$28a$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>    Server Information   ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3 3   on a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2-1   ;   JOIN Server Release 4.1.0f-DECsrc  for Alpha with OpenVMS H   Copyright 1992-1998 Competitive Automation, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.    Problem  F         We recently acquired a /24 subnet (net. mask 255.255.255.0) toJ dedicate to our dynamically addressed DHCP clients.  We still need to DHCPK serve our "old" subnet, a /22 (net. mask 255.255.252.0) for certain clients E that will get "permanent" leases.  The new subnet will handle all the I clients who don't need a static IP address.  All of the potential clients J are on the same physical network segment.  How would I configure things toF allow our VMS system to serve both subnets?  Would I need to get folksH higher up in the support chain (who manage the router which provides our  Internet connectivity) involved?   Thanks,  Mike --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSE N   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:08:04 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: HSZTERM& Message-ID: <3F5263B4.6985AB2@aaa.com>   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > R > We connect the console ports of the HSZ controllers to a DECserver, and that wayQ > you can get access too ! The console ports of the Alpha's are also connected to A > a DECserver. It is a good way of getting remote console access.   
 Very true.  H Now, this is a HSZ22, and I'm not sure they "do" serial consoles. And if you A are going to run it though the console port, you have to use SWCC  anyway, right ? G With "real" HSZ's I'd prefer to hook them up using Console Manager, but  a simpleF terminal server (or single port serial "print server") also works fine if you' don't need the history logging in CM...   , I'm not asking for HSZTERM for no reason. :)    	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Sep 03 00:08:12 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: HSZTERM) Message-ID: <ycQylXinVRqg@elias.decus.ch>   b In article <3F5263B4.6985AB2@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: >    <snip>  . > I'm not asking for HSZTERM for no reason. :) >   F Please send me a valid email address, and I will see what I can do ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:52:49 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: HSZTERM' Message-ID: <3F526E31.C4C761A9@fsi.net>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > Hi. = > I'v been looking around the HP/VMS site to locate a copy of + > HSZTERM (aka SCSIPAD), but can't find it.  > F > (The kit that enables the SET HOST/SCSI interface to HSZ controlers) > - > Anybody know what has happend to this kit ?  > Or where I can find it ?  F Look for hszterm.zip at http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/hszterm.zip  ) DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ unzip/test hszterm.zip ' Archive:  DKA0:[DDACHTERA]HSZTERM.ZIP;1 (     testing: hszterm010.a             OK(     testing: hszterm010.b             OK(     testing: hszterm010.c             OK(     testing: vms71_hszterm.com        OKG No errors detected in compressed data of DKA0:[DDACHTERA]HSZTERM.ZIP;1.   ( (Hoff: Can this go on the freeware CDs?)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 01:51:45 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: HSZTERM' Message-ID: <3F528A11.24C84C76@aaa.com>   
 Very kind.7 Is that the same (only ?) kit as David posted an URL to 3 in another post ? If so I can just as well download  from his site.   Thanks to both anyway !   	 Jan-Erik.        Paul Sture wrote:  > d > In article <3F5263B4.6985AB2@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: > >  >  > <snip> > 0 > > I'm not asking for HSZTERM for no reason. :) > >  > H > Please send me a valid email address, and I will see what I can do ;-)   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 17:48:40 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: HSZTERM< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0308311648.2d490e9@posting.google.com>  U Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3F51175B.BED61E52@aaa.com>... = > I'v been looking around the HP/VMS site to locate a copy of + > HSZTERM (aka SCSIPAD), but can't find it.   A The replacement for HSZterm is StorageWorks Command Scripter (see D http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/sanworks/commandscripter/).  Same1 features, with many bugs fixed, and is supported.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 13:51:43 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Memory for VS3100= Message-ID: <d0141774.0308311251.1d23670d@posting.google.com>    Hi all,   D My VAXStation 3100 is crawling along with 8Mb and I was wondering ifF any kind souls out there (in the UK) had any unused memory boards that they would like to contribute.  A It's the large mother/daughter boards, rather than the SIMM style E memory. I have a 4Mb (MS42-AB) already installed so I guess a MS42-CA ' (16MB) or MS42-KA (8MB) would be ideal.   F I would (of course) pay any postage, etc associated with your efforts.   Many thanks.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 18:21:11 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)  Subject: Re: Serial console = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0308311721.459f9716@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEPFHNAA.tom@kednos.com>...H > Have two PWS's one with 7.3 the other with 7.3-1,  I have a null modem" > cable connected between the two. > J > 1.  there are two ports on each, COM1 and COM2 and it works if connected >     as follows >  >     7.3              7.3-1 >     COM1 -----         COM1  >               \  >     COM2       ------  COM2  >  > but only from the 7.3-1 end  >  > S SET HOST/DTE OPA0  > E > will give me a login prompt on the 7.3 system.  But going the other  > way all I get is   >  > $ set host/dte opa0  > ' > %REM-I-TOQUIT, connection established  > / > Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command mode  > J > I am not sure if I set the CONSOLE to serial in SRM on the 7.3.  Is that* > necessary for this operation to succeed? > H > Speaking of which, does OpenVMS have an equivalent to Tru64 'consvar' > > command allowing for the manipulation of firmware variables?> $getenv and the lexical f$getenv have been around for a while,  but were only documented in 7.2,: $setenv also exists but I don't know if it is "supported".5 There is a cov thread dated sept 1999 with the title: 1 Setting SRM console variables from within OpenVMS  this shows some example code.  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 00:02:55 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> % Subject: Shadowing question: NOMASTER / Message-ID: <vl535f9b0updb2@corp.supernews.com>   ' I have a VMS Volume Shadowing question.      > I have a test system (Alpha server DS20) where the UAF is on a@ shadow set (but not on the system disk, which is also shadowed).     A Apparently, one of the shadow members in this set has been desig- A nated the "master" because when I try to create a shadow set with . just the other member, I get a NOMASTER error.      Some questions I have:     / Must one of the members in the set be a master?      B Is this because some of the system files, like the UAF, are on the shadow set?      B Is there any way to change the shadow set (without moving the UAF,0 etc) so that either member can be mounted first?   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 21:41:37 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ) Subject: Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTER = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0308312041.4358dbd2@posting.google.com>   X Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<vl535f9b0updb2@corp.supernews.com>...C > Apparently, one of the shadow members in this set has been desig- C > nated the "master" because when I try to create a shadow set with 0 > just the other member, I get a NOMASTER error.   $ HELP/MESSAGE NOMASTER   8  NOMASTER,  no master member found for this virtual unit  $   Facility:     MOUNT, Mount Utility  D   Explanation:  None of the specified shadow set members is suitable to be a B                 master unit for the shadow set. Accompanying error messagesE                 explain why each of the candidate members cannot be a  master.   A   User Action:  Correct the problems reported by the accompanying  messagesB                 or locate a suitable master member; then retry the mount                  operation.  9 Were there any other messages after the NOMASTER message?   1 > Must one of the members in the set be a master?   > Under steady-state conditions, either of the members should be> suitable for mounting alone.  You might get this error if, forC example, a full-copy operation had started, but not been allowed to B complete -- the target member would not be considered suitable forD mounting as a master member until the full-copy operation completed.  D > Is this because some of the system files, like the UAF, are on the
 > shadow set?   2 No, what files are on the volume shouldn't matter.  D > Is there any way to change the shadow set (without moving the UAF,2 > etc) so that either member can be mounted first?  E It might be helpful if you describe what you're trying to accomplish, F the exact sequence of operations you're doing, what you're expecing to! happen, and what happens instead.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 14:12:57 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM> Subject: The vmsnet hierarchy - Message-ID: <86llt9cyzq.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>   B Is anyone using vmsnet groups for anything other than filesharing?  H I'm about to remove this hierarchy from my server, it seems that there'sJ precious little valid traffic there. I know that some active mailing listsI are gatewayed into vmsnet groups (info-multinet, for example), but that's # about the only legit traffic there.    What say ye?   -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:55:08 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchy ' Message-ID: <3F526EBC.D52D5FD2@fsi.net>    Javier Henderson wrote:  > D > Is anyone using vmsnet groups for anything other than filesharing? > J > I'm about to remove this hierarchy from my server, it seems that there'sL > precious little valid traffic there. I know that some active mailing listsK > are gatewayed into vmsnet groups (info-multinet, for example), but that's % > about the only legit traffic there.  >  > What say ye?  H Personally, I'd like to see some legal leverage brought against the DIVX) pirates by someone ina position to do so.    Do what ya gotta do, man...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2003 22:27:38 GMT) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> ! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchy 9 Message-ID: <3f52765a$0$247$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>   ) Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> wrote: D > Is anyone using vmsnet groups for anything other than filesharing?  J So far as I can see they seem to be full of spanish stuff and file sharingN garbage. It's a real shame as this heriarchy used to be very useful some years ago.  J > I'm about to remove this hierarchy from my server, it seems that there'sL > precious little valid traffic there. I know that some active mailing listsK > are gatewayed into vmsnet groups (info-multinet, for example), but that's % > about the only legit traffic there.    > What say ye?  O If they are not being used for their intended purpose, there is little point in N having them, IMHO. IS there a way to remove them all together, i.e., from news servers?   Tony.  --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 18:58:04 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM>! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchy - Message-ID: <86oey55kyb.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>   + Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> writes:   Q > If they are not being used for their intended purpose, there is little point in P > having them, IMHO. IS there a way to remove them all together, i.e., from news
 > servers?  D Well, we can send rmgroup control messages, but I doubt many serversC will honor them. They will hang around forever, most likely. I just ? don't want to participate in the distribution of the crap going < around, so I'll at least start by not propagating the vmsnet@ groups. Though I will most likely just delete the groups from my) server and reject items for those groups.    -jav   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 21:48:57 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchy 3 Message-ID: <zB$Tk04sz+RN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <86oey55kyb.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM> writes:- > Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> writes:  > R >> If they are not being used for their intended purpose, there is little point inQ >> having them, IMHO. IS there a way to remove them all together, i.e., from news  >> servers?  > F > Well, we can send rmgroup control messages, but I doubt many servers > will honor them.  I If you are in a position to do that, are you in a position to send cancel 
 messages ?  I Having their posts quickly cancelled might drive the hijackers elsewhere.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 04:43:24 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> : Subject: VMS and SAN storage.  Was RE: OVM & DELL servers.8 Message-ID: <M7A4b.13861$Pd1.5427@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   All:  J I was responding to a storage question on ITRC when it hit me that the oneL key requirement that I would have for another vendors server to run VMS in aH production SAN environment is the built in firmware ability to deal withH multi-pathing boot devices!  I.E.  How easy is it to set this up to boot from a SAN drive.   K With the Alphaservers that I have dealt with, this functionality is part of K the console firmware!  All of the other OS's that I deal with have an added 2 securepath layer that lets them deal with the SAN.  L So, even if a DELL server was capable of running OVMS.  If it could not bootJ from the SAN, it is useless to me in my work environment!  I might like it: at home. :-)  but it would not be production ready for me.   Thoughts?  Opinions?  2 Could you run your VMS box without a console port?B How would you set your boot parameters in a common OS disk cluster
 situation?J ...Now where is that stupid motherboard jumper has been the PC solution so far...  :-)   
 Mike Naime   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.483 ************************