1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 03 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 487       Contents:" Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces" Re: ??==Delete key only backspacesM Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal P Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal OS
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 RE: backup  Re: Cleaning up license database Re: Compaq BASIC's optimizer Re: Datatrieve Manuals/ Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A  Re: DSSI problem? Re: dynamic volume expansion and different-sized shadow members ? Re: dynamic volume expansion and different-sized shadow members ? Re: dynamic volume expansion and different-sized shadow members  Re: HSZTERM  Multiple IP addresses/ethernet Re: Oracle roadmap for OpenVMS Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  RdB on EVA ? Re: RdB on EVA ?7 Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available 7 Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available 7 Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available 7 RE: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available  Re: Serial console  Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTER  Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTER  Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTER" Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV" Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV Re: The vmsnet hierarchy: Using multiple Radeon 7500 PCI cards in a DS10 running VMS1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:48:23 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> + Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces 2 Message-ID: <rm75b.3908$g05.1491@news.cpqcorp.net>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01L077F4XXUQAMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...  > E > Presumably, the various ASCII values had functions defined for them H > before this time.  What were the original definitions of BACKSPACE and	 > DELETE.  >   
 Backspace:  H    Implementation may be dependent on device.  Use of any function otherH than to move the active position backward one character is not endorsed.K This is sometimes used as "delete previous character" (DEL is preferred for  this function).   L    The direction of character progression depends on the parameter of Select Presentation Direction.    DEL:  K    Delete (rubout) previous character.  Previously used as a fill character 8 (not recommended).  NUL is the preferred fill character.   ---   G We (DEC) were right in using DEL instead of BS (of course, we also were H pretty powerful in driving the ANSI definitions - as we were the leading terminal maker).   > / > By the way, shouldn't DEL be 127 and not 255?   $ Yes.  Brain disconnect with fingers.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 16:42:27 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces 3 Message-ID: <WFQ1wQIWwrps@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01L077F4XXUQAMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:   F > Presumably, the various ASCII values had functions defined for them I > before this time.  What were the original definitions of BACKSPACE and  	 > DELETE.   ?    I don't think so.  All the punch tapes I ever saw did BCD or     EBCDIC character encodings.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 14:15:06 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <h8Tn+bwwbk4l@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <Cs35b.3871$TZ3.296@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: N > In the beginning, there was the punchtape.  If you made a mistake, there wasK > no way to unpunch the holes - so some clever person devised the method of N > backspace and DELETE (255) which punched all 7 holes (7-bit ASCII) and would1 > then be interpreted as "ignore this character".   1 Well, no, actually it was not some clever person.   F It was a copycat doing what had been done with the 5 level Baudot codeG used for years by Associated Press, United Press and International News  Service.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 19:50:49 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal9 Message-ID: <bj2sag$eqmld$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   3 In article <h8Tn+bwwbk4l@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o > In article <Cs35b.3871$TZ3.296@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: O >> In the beginning, there was the punchtape.  If you made a mistake, there was L >> no way to unpunch the holes - so some clever person devised the method ofO >> backspace and DELETE (255) which punched all 7 holes (7-bit ASCII) and would 2 >> then be interpreted as "ignore this character". > 3 > Well, no, actually it was not some clever person.   7 Well, yes it was.  It was either Murray or Baudot.  :-)    > H > It was a copycat doing what had been done with the 5 level Baudot codeI > used for years by Associated Press, United Press and International News 
 > Service.    A And for bonus points, what symbol was all 5 channels punched out?      billC [who knows where a Lorenz LO-15 is still hiding in the rafters of a  house in Newburgh, NY.]    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:38:23 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <3d75b.3907$Z85.2538@news.cpqcorp.net>   ZCZC   Good lord.  Letter Shift.   L I had the honor of writing store & forward message switching code for baudotJ teletypes (KSR 33?) some 25 years ago before I went to work for DEC.  AlsoG wrote code for dialed line protocols for Western Union International...    NNNN  5 "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message & news:3F54F3CE.3030707@NelsonUSA.com... > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > ; > > Well, yes it was.  It was either Murray or Baudot.  :-)  > E > > And for bonus points, what symbol was all 5 channels punched out?  >  > LTRS > F > The very first program I wrote for the PDP-11 was a Baudot-ASCII andG > ASCII-Baudot conversion.   I fabricated a tape slitter that would cut " > 1" 8-level tape down to 5-level. > C > Twenty years later, a client asked if I could write a program for B > their VAX to convert ASCII to Baudot.   They wanted to take textD > files and punch Baudot tapes which they could then feed into theirC > crypto machine.   This time we didn't have to use the slitter, as 8 > Teletype had a 5-level punch with an RS-232 interface. >  > Alan >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:28:12 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <020920032228127134%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  9 In article <3F54F3CE.3030707@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbie  <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote:   > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > ; > > Well, yes it was.  It was either Murray or Baudot.  :-)  > E > > And for bonus points, what symbol was all 5 channels punched out?  >  > LTRS > F > The very first program I wrote for the PDP-11 was a Baudot-ASCII andG > ASCII-Baudot conversion.   I fabricated a tape slitter that would cut " > 1" 8-level tape down to 5-level. > C > Twenty years later, a client asked if I could write a program for B > their VAX to convert ASCII to Baudot.   They wanted to take textD > files and punch Baudot tapes which they could then feed into theirC > crypto machine.   This time we didn't have to use the slitter, as 8 > Teletype had a 5-level punch with an RS-232 interface.  G A cheaper way was to use an 8 level punch with 5-unit wide tape 'upside D down' with a simple bolt-on guide to stop the narrow tape wandering.B 8 level was 3 holes feed sprocket 5 holes. 5 unit was 2 holes feed sprocket 3 holes. Geddit?   B I used that technique to quickly produce assembler listings for myG PDP-8 development. The only printer in the computer room was an ASR-33. E Outside in the newsroom overnight were 20 or 30 unused 5-unit Siemens C 'telex' machines that would run at 6.6 or 10 cps. The punch was 300 6 cps. Obvious really. The night editors hated my guts.   @ We then went further ito produce 'morse' tape. That was one holeE sprocket one hole. One side turned 'carrier' on, the other off. A dot ; would be on off blank, a dash was on blank blank off blank.   C It was used on twice a day for news bulletins for the shipping that C still relied on Morse (in the early 1970s).  PDP-8 read 5-unit news @ stories, spat out two large dustbins full of morse tape for each
 broadcast.  D Tape reader was a Facit something. It read about 1000 characters/sec# The punch was the redoubtable BRPE.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:49:39 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <020920032249394360%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  @ In article <020920032228127134%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> wrote:  E oops. I thought I was in alt.folklore.computers when posting all that : nostalgia.. Forgive me. I blame Fred's ZCZC NNNN sequence.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:52:49 GMT % From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal= Message-ID: <harris-1408F4.22525202092003@juggl7.zk3.dec.com>   3 In article <l6lrJdZtb1CN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   N > In article <aus-1BD7BF.21233129082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans Aus $ > <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:7 > > In article <GmoYK4f4Sy8N@eisner.encompasserve.org>, A > >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > >  > > ... The only optionsF > >>    you have are to control it at the client side or to use an X11F > >>    based terminal emulator which will allow the VMS system to use > >>    xmodmap. > >>   > > M > > But Bob - why does the delete key work in non-X11 terminal programs such  / > > as VersaTerm and Kermit - without xmodmap?   > E >    Because when you use the delete key on those clients, the client + >    sends a proper ASCII delete character.  > L > > We've used VersaTerm on pre-X MacOS since the beginning of Mac (almost) M > > and never had to set any extra options in VMS. Unfortunately, Synergy is  $ > > not porting VersaTerm to MacOSX. > E >    I've mostly used NCSA telnet for years, NCSA dropped Mac a while H >    back.  Later I tried BetterTelnet, which I think is a FAT with OS XJ >    support.  Nowdays I'm using NiftyTelnet which has SSH built in and isL >    also built for OS X.  I have no problems with the delete key on any of 
 >    them. >   F I am just repling to the stream in general.  I picked on this specify G article only because it was on-topic and not talking about VMS and PDP   history.  H Today, I used rlogin and telnet to connect to an OpenVMS system from my G Mac OS X 10.2.6 system using Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal.app  A and using Strict VT100 emulation _AND_ delete worked as expected.   0 So I am confused as to what the real problem is?   ----  I By the way, speaking to the article that I used to reply to, I still use  B BetterTelnet, running in the Classic environment.  I use it for 2 H reasons, the most important is that I need to tunnel into work, and the G easiest tunnel for me is the old AltaVista tunnel which currently only  H runs in Classic mode so only Classic apps can use it.  The other reason H is that BetterTelnet is actually a very good VT emulator and works well E with UNIX and OpenVMS applications (especially OpenVMS NOTES and the  
 keypad keys).   F If NiftyTelnet has Mac OS X support, maybe I'll have look at it for a C future terminal emulator.  I've played with iTerm, but it does not  G handle the Powerbook keypad keys that you have to hold the 'fn' key to  G activate.  iTerm works with keypad on a regular keyboard, but my Pismo  C it just doesn't handle the keypad.  Also iTerm seems to work fine,  I except when I start a Vim session.  I don't know why, but it gets really  E sluggish when I start up Vim.   I like iTerm TAB'ed windows, but the   keypad and Vim problems.  2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 03:46:20 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal@ Message-ID: <cf02d19cce1bc9e5eb9ef5f21d8c6584@news.teranews.com>  = In article <harris-1408F4.22525202092003@juggl7.zk3.dec.com>, '  Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> wrote:     H > If NiftyTelnet has Mac OS X support, maybe I'll have look at it for a E > future terminal emulator.  I've played with iTerm, but it does not  I > handle the Powerbook keypad keys that you have to hold the 'fn' key to   > activate.   , FWIW, I've had pretty good luck with GLTerm:   <http://www.pollet.net/GLterm/>   D It has some trouble with double-high, double-wide characters but is D otherwise the most stable, VMS-friendly Mac OS X emulator I've used.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:47:26 -0700 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>Y Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal OS , Message-ID: <3F54F3CE.3030707@NelsonUSA.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  9 > Well, yes it was.  It was either Murray or Baudot.  :-)   C > And for bonus points, what symbol was all 5 channels punched out?    LTRS  D The very first program I wrote for the PDP-11 was a Baudot-ASCII andE ASCII-Baudot conversion.   I fabricated a tape slitter that would cut   1" 8-level tape down to 5-level.  A Twenty years later, a client asked if I could write a program for @ their VAX to convert ASCII to Baudot.   They wanted to take textB files and punch Baudot tapes which they could then feed into theirA crypto machine.   This time we didn't have to use the slitter, as 6 Teletype had a 5-level punch with an RS-232 interface.   Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 13:52:07 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: backup < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0309021252.7bdfce7@posting.google.com>  d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGECIHOAA.tom@kednos.com>...B > The way the original message is written you would think that NEWD > was different than QUIT, but as your citation points out, they areE > synonyms.  If NEW dismounts the volume, then it is not very useful.      NEW and QUIT are not synonyms:    D      QUIT: The tape is unloaded and the BACKUP command terminates onE error. It does not wait for another tape to be loaded. This is the "I  give up" option.  D       NEW: The tape is unloaded and BACKUP waits for the operator toD insert a different tape -- preferably, the correct tape. This is the- "Oh, I meant to load this other tape" option.   E OVERWRITE: Damn the torpedoes, just use the current tape. This is the D "I don't care what the tape label is so just get on with it" option.A Also known as the "I forgot to specify /IGNORE=LABEL in my BACKUP  command" option.     [...]    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:00:50 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: backup 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEDNHOAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- 4 >From: Insomnee [mailto:robert.heyes@btinternet.com]+ >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:14 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: backup >  >  > / >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 4 >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECMHOAA.tom@kednos.com... >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----3 >> >From: Richard Brodie [mailto:R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk] - >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:42 AM  >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >> >Subject: Re: backup  >> > >> > >> >2 >> >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message7 >> >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGECIHOAA.tom@kednos.com... F >> >> The way the original message is written you would think that NEWH >> >> was different than QUIT, but as your citation points out, they are >> >> synonyms.  >> >They are not.  >> >> >> >> If NEW dismounts the volume, then it is not very useful. >> >A >> >It depends what you mean by useful. Operator initiated mounts < >> >are something of something of an anachronism these days.@ >> >It makes much more sense if you assume that you have a shiftD >> >of tape operators toiling away at some location remote from you. >> >< >> >So, you issue the backup command specifying a label. The@ >> >incorrect tape is mounted; the operator sees this, gives you< >> >a REPLY/NEW, finds the correct tape, loads it and you're	 >> >away.  >>F >> Well as Stan pointed out, NEW doesn't mean NEW, it means ANOTHER or >> ANEW :-)  >> > > J >I think a Unix man was in the room when they were choosing the wording... >   G The user interface is a bit odd, qualifiers can be verbs, prepositions,  adverbs " nouns  (may have missed something) >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:38:52 GMT 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>) Subject: Re: Cleaning up license database 2 Message-ID: <gS95b.3926$eo5.3854@news.cpqcorp.net>  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-0109032348390001@user-105n834.dialup.mindspring.com...  A Add the following after the list license/full/before/term/out=...    $ sear a.tmp/win=(0,2) "author"   , and you will have to do less parsing...  :-)   mark   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:29:12 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: Re: Compaq BASIC's optimizer 9 Message-ID: <tBa5b.7810$Sq5.213344@news20.bellglobal.com>   = "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote in message 2 news:oi88lv4n3ihsrf32089fv7mcnejsv93gh3@4ax.com...H > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:44:59 -0400, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> > wrote: >  [...snip...] > @ > Is it possible that in your original piece of code, that while6 > the code was being developed or modified that in the< > text editor the programmer accidently hit the paste button > twice? >  [...snip...]  I No accidental paste here. My example code was written to mimic a real bug K where "case = 2" followed "case >= 2". I added the second "case =2" just to N see if the optimizer would detect an identical statement preceding the currentJ one.. The same is true for the "if then" version of the select case lines.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 12:05:12 -0700 0 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) Subject: Re: Datatrieve Manuals = Message-ID: <3a65a5c8.0309021105.2608b141@posting.google.com>    Hi Mike,  6 you can find all the Datatrieve Manuals online at the  following URL...  D http://www.sysworks.com.au/swadm_dat_root/axpdocjun02/dtraxp72a.html  8 This is part of one of several Bookreader-based CONDISK : ODL's which are being served as web-pages to the internet  at the following URL...   # http://www.sysworks.com.au/odl.html    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg  ICA GmbH - Hannover, Germany    b MikeWJ <mjenkins//mfire.com> wrote in message news:<tvn7lvoq3k2i1iqlpvt72cjgsdjsbiv34c@4ax.com>...7 > I'm looking for a complete set of datatrieve manuals.  > I > I had a set but it was misplaced or borrowed and now have need of them.  > * > Anyone needing to lighten their library? >   > I'm in the St. Louis, MO area. >  > Mike Jenkins > VMS System Manager   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:20:29 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 8 Subject: Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A2 Message-ID: <1465b.3893$vQ4.1039@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 In article <J8W9+8zCkawG@eisner.encompasserve.org>,   briggs@encompasserve.org writes:  D >(Dang.  Almost fudged myself.  I was all set to post the above with@ >a 36 instead of the correct 35.  Then I actually ran the code).  8 I actually never ran the code, but it is "zero based" -- 36 entries numbered 0-35.   5 I think this is consistent with the original request.    If you need 1-36 then change  0     $ x = "0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"   to    1     $ x = " 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"             ^7 Insert a leading space or some other special character. < You then need to protect agains ever {ahem} accidently using this character.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:51:27 GMT 1 From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.donotspamme.com>  Subject: Re: DSSI problem 0 Message-ID: <zh85b.3916$Qe5.24@news.cpqcorp.net>   Thierry Dussuet wrote:: > In article <biili1$hc3$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews wrote: >  >>Thierry Dussuet wrote: >>F >>>> From the rest of the messages, I can only think that DSSI cablingE >>>> from the internal busses has come adrift from the top row of the E >>>> drives. I've not had a 4000 series chassis in pieces to know how  >>>> it connects.  >>> G >>>If this is what you mean: There are slots in the backplane where you D >>>can put the drives in, and on the backplane you faintly see wiresH >>>which seem to go to the processor board.  Then on the processor boardC >>>there is also a ribbon cable going from the board to the control G >>>panel.  On the drives themselves, there is a ribbon cable going from 6 >>>the drive to the plastic thing going into the slot. >>D >>I was more thinking you dismantle the system so you can access theH >>cabling to check it / reseat the connections. This is something I have >>not had to do. >  > H > I've looked at the cable from the cpu board to the control panel -- itH > seems that in 10 years of opening/closing the control panel, the cableH > suffered.  I'm not sure, but there's like a broken place in the middleH > of the cable.  Would that cause the DSSI disks not to be seen anymore," > and the date not to be readable? > 	 > Thierry  >   A DSSI not working, yes.  Time and console variables not retained,  H probably not.  I'd still get an equivalent battery for that issue.  The " cable part number is likely to be:  * 	17-02353-01	Cable Assembly, 100 Cond Flat   Battery:  8 	12-19245-01	3 Cell 3.75V .18ma NiCad (-01 replaces -00)   bob    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 15:22:49 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) H Subject: Re: dynamic volume expansion and different-sized shadow members= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309021422.66cd1c02@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01L0774ZGBQKAMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...E > I understand that in 7.3-2 it will be possible to have two disks of " > different sizes in a shadow set.  A Right.  This is called Dissimilar Device Shadowing, or DDS (where D 'dissimilar' means in terms of size; geometry already doesn't matterE anymore).  See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/v732features.html   D > Presumably, the shadow set will have the size of the smaller disk.   Right.  ? > (Would an option to make it appear even smaller be useful for  > anything?)  F To cut Shadowing full-copy and full-merge times, maybe?  But folks canD do that already with partitioning, at least on the controllers which
 support that.   = > Can I then shadow BIG_DISK and LITTLE_DISK to make a shadow G > set the size of LITTLE_DISK, then break the shadow set and rebuild it G > with two disks the size of BIG_DISK and have the SHADOW SET have this  > size as well?   A Once LITTLE_DISK has been removed from the shadowset, you can use E Dynamic Volume Expansion (DVE) to expand the effective volume size to  the size of BIG_DISK.   C Then you can repeat this with each new generation of disk drives as D they continue to get bigger.  (One could wish they might have gottenD faster to anywhere near as big a degree as they have gotten bigger.)   ------------------------------   Date: 02 Sep 2003 22:47:02 GMT) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> H Subject: Re: dynamic volume expansion and different-sized shadow members9 Message-ID: <3f551de5$0$272$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>   : Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:E > I understand that in 7.3-2 it will be possible to have two disks of H > different sizes in a shadow set.  I think this will be a really usefulH > feature!  Presumably, the shadow set will have the size of the smallerF > disk.  (Would an option to make it appear even smaller be useful forI > anything?)  Can I then shadow BIG_DISK and LITTLE_DISK to make a shadow G > set the size of LITTLE_DISK, then break the shadow set and rebuild it G > with two disks the size of BIG_DISK and have the SHADOW SET have this  > size as well?   O Someone correct me if I am wrong here as I am relying on my memory from far too 	 long ago.   M I believe the ODS-2 disk structure includes a bitmap at the start of the disk M where there is one bit per cluster. The bits indicate whether the cluster has M been allocated or not. The cluster size and thus, the size of this bit map is K set when a disk is initialised. To extend a disk as above, then this bitmap M would need to be extended, but as I recall it's a fixed length and the blocks = on the disk that follow it are in use, so it would be tricky.      Tony.  --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:04:11 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>H Subject: Re: dynamic volume expansion and different-sized shadow members/ Message-ID: <3F5521E8.AF85D3BA@telusplanet.net>   8 Can DVE be implemented on any type of disk architecture?( E.g., HSJ, HSG, HP FC, third-party FC...     Keith Parris wrote:   ~ > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01L0774ZGBQKAMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...G > > I understand that in 7.3-2 it will be possible to have two disks of $ > > different sizes in a shadow set. > C > Right.  This is called Dissimilar Device Shadowing, or DDS (where F > 'dissimilar' means in terms of size; geometry already doesn't matterG > anymore).  See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/v732features.html  > F > > Presumably, the shadow set will have the size of the smaller disk. >  > Right. > A > > (Would an option to make it appear even smaller be useful for  > > anything?) > H > To cut Shadowing full-copy and full-merge times, maybe?  But folks canF > do that already with partitioning, at least on the controllers which > support that.  > ? > > Can I then shadow BIG_DISK and LITTLE_DISK to make a shadow I > > set the size of LITTLE_DISK, then break the shadow set and rebuild it I > > with two disks the size of BIG_DISK and have the SHADOW SET have this  > > size as well?  > C > Once LITTLE_DISK has been removed from the shadowset, you can use G > Dynamic Volume Expansion (DVE) to expand the effective volume size to  > the size of BIG_DISK.  > E > Then you can repeat this with each new generation of disk drives as F > they continue to get bigger.  (One could wish they might have gottenF > faster to anywhere near as big a degree as they have gotten bigger.)   -- Lee    lytmah@telusplanet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:50:21 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: HSZTERM' Message-ID: <3F5548DD.67C90F7A@fsi.net>    Paul Sture wrote:  > e > In article <3F528A11.24C84C76@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  > > Very kind.; > > Is that the same (only ?) kit as David posted an URL to 7 > > in another post ? If so I can just as well download  > > from his site. > D > From the version number probably so. The files in the savesets are= > dated 24/26-Jul-1995 here. - written by username PARRIS :-)  > ) > I do have the cover letter etc as well.  > ? > Beware, IIRC it won't let you execute commands from a command 1 > file - you need HSDSA_ALPHA.EXE (sp?) for that.    Careful there!  F HSZPAD$SCSITERM *DOES* accept image data as input, and obeys CTRL+Z as the EXIT command.   C HSDSA is a hack, at best, but does work with some caveats. However, B HSDSA is for HSJ/HSD, not for HSZ. I have written extensive BACKUP> automation using HSDSA for both VAX and Alpha to split/re-join mirror-sets.  C HSCPAD (SET HOST/DUP) only accepts terminal class devices as input.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 23:38:07 +0200 2 From: "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net>' Subject: Multiple IP addresses/ethernet ( Message-ID: <3f550db4$1@news.wineasy.se>  A I got a question from a far collegue about multiple ethernets and  ipaddresses.  J A configuration has 4 Alphas where each Alpha run cluster traffic via dual GBE interfaces. K Same Alphas also has dual 10/100 ethernet interfaces connected to a layer-2 & switch with some routing capabilities.= The ethernet interfaces IPaddresses lives in the same subnet.   ? He has been told by an HP employee that the Alpha is capable of K loadbalancing the IP-traffic over the two ethernet i/f used for IP traffic. J When both interfaces are connected the loadbalancing is said to be 50/50%.  K The problem comes when one of the ethernets are unplugged. According to the L HP employee the Alpha should start using the remaining ethernet, but strangeJ behaviours start happend where the ping responses from the Alpha comes and goes.   ; I have some concerns about the ARP time outs in the router. I I may start believe that the ethernets must live in separate subnets, but 7 then I got concerns about the default gateway settings.   J Can some one confirm what they have been told by the HP employee, and alsoJ describe in detail what the Alpha can do and how the loadbalancing works ?   /Lars    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:15:48 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Oracle roadmap for OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <o755b.3884$rE4.3235@news.cpqcorp.net>  L http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm (slide 22 and 23)   9 "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in message , news:biqq31$ql1$1@hercules.btinternet.com... > 0 > "georgie" <me@mycomputer.com> wrote in message= > news:Geu3b.8238$3E.5232@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... = > > "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in message 0 > > news:bilq4e$m03$1@hercules.btinternet.com...G > > > Does anyone know what Oracle's roadmap for OpenVMS is, or where I  couldn > > find > > > it on the Oracle website?  > >? > > I found it on HP's site:/ > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/oracle/m > >e > > gc > >T< > Thanks for that, but why isnt it on the Oracle website :o! >e >n   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 21:33:33 GMTr( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates2 Message-ID: <bj32bd$2rve$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  F You know, you're right. The EDLIN on DOS doesn't look or work like theF editor I was remembering. I did find myself using one, though, back inJ the early '80s that had a name like that but looked like a "line oriented"K TECO. I was certain that was EDLIN, but clearly I'm confusing two differentS	 programs.p   -- aH Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	 29.6852N 95.5770W                       WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)u   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 23:40:57 +0200e2 From: "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> Subject: RdB on EVA ?a( Message-ID: <3f550e5c$1@news.wineasy.se>  7 Does any one have experience of running RdB on an EVA ?fL AFAIK Oracle recommend having journalling files on a separate volume. How is this done on an EVA ?a /Larse   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:26:54 GMTa/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>o Subject: Re: RdB on EVA ?e8 Message-ID: <iza5b.42368$7G2.16270@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  K I posted on this a couple of months ago and got some excellent, but varyinghL opinions.  In the end, we went with two separate disk groups, one for the DB and one for the journals.h   -Jeffh  = "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> wrote in messageV" news:3f550e5c$1@news.wineasy.se...9 > Does any one have experience of running RdB on an EVA ?-K > AFAIK Oracle recommend having journalling files on a separate volume. Howm is > this done on an EVA ?n > /Larso >o >c   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 13:25:46 -050074 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)@ Subject: Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available3 Message-ID: <YV7hrS64V6ZV@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  c In article <3F4FBD61.BD711996@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:o > Ken Farmer wrote:f >> SO >> I got the .ppt and knew many who didn't get to attend HP World would like toe >> view it.  > = > And thank you for your efforts to make it available to us !h< > PPT is just fine, I'm sure 99% of those *working* with VMS5 > also has access to a PC so *that* is a non-issue...) >  > Jan-Erik.c  B Here's an idea for Ken.  While ppt files can be viewed eventually,> you should be able to use PowerPointless to convert the slides> into html.  I do that at work when someone gives me a ppt file5 I am supposed to use to update our intranet webpages.E  ; I like to do as much of my work at work on the VMS desktop.r? Converting ppts to html helps.  The html generated is horrible,t% but _can_ be viewed by mozilla (SWB).y   Just my $.02   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 16:47:18 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) @ Subject: Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available3 Message-ID: <r+5V8HhdbwJE@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  j In article <YV7hrS64V6ZV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:e > In article <3F4FBD61.BD711996@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:s >> Ken Farmer wrote: >>> P >>> I got the .ppt and knew many who didn't get to attend HP World would like to >>> view it.  D    I was suprized to find it was a version of PPT my Office couldn'tE    read (decision having come from higher up not to upgrade existringe    copies).0      OpenOffice to the rescue.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:31:54 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG@ Subject: Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available0 Message-ID: <00A25508.F37FCEEE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <YV7hrS64V6ZV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:d >In article <3F4FBD61.BD711996@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: >> Ken Farmer wrote: >>> P >>> I got the .ppt and knew many who didn't get to attend HP World would like to >>> view it. >> "> >> And thank you for your efforts to make it available to us != >> PPT is just fine, I'm sure 99% of those *working* with VMSo6 >> also has access to a PC so *that* is a non-issue... >> r >> Jan-Erik. >eC >Here's an idea for Ken.  While ppt files can be viewed eventually, ? >you should be able to use PowerPointless to convert the slidesD? >into html.  I do that at work when someone gives me a ppt filen6 >I am supposed to use to update our intranet webpages. >e< >I like to do as much of my work at work on the VMS desktop.@ >Converting ppts to html helps.  The html generated is horrible,& >but _can_ be viewed by mozilla (SWB). >i
 >Just my $.02t  I I did't see Jan-Erik's post but PPT is not just fine for the -- accordingaI to Jan-Erik's cited statistic -- 1% of is that do not.  It's a BIG issue; J not a non-issue.  Even if I *did* have access to a PeeCee -- like I might H take the file to the local library -- I wouldn't have the first clue how to run this PPT presentation.   J Acceptable, cross-platform standards...  I'm all for having these present-J ations made available on the web in a HTML or PDF (yea, that's another canI of worms) but stick PPT back up Billy G's alimentary canal output orifice I from whence it came please... oh, or give me a tool -- a VMS tool -- that  can be used to view it.n   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMf            o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:43:30 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r@ Subject: RE: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEDLHOAA.tom@kednos.com>-   >-----Original Message-----eC >From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG]o* >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:32 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComA >Subject: Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation availablep >r >e5 >In article <YV7hrS64V6ZV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, o7 >kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes: 3 >>In article <3F4FBD61.BD711996@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik I3 >=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:i >>> Ken Farmer wrote:n >>>> ID >>>> I got the .ppt and knew many who didn't get to attend HP World  >would like to
 >>>> view it.0 >>> ? >>> And thank you for your efforts to make it available to us !s> >>> PPT is just fine, I'm sure 99% of those *working* with VMS7 >>> also has access to a PC so *that* is a non-issue...  >>> 
 >>> Jan-Erik.y >>D >>Here's an idea for Ken.  While ppt files can be viewed eventually,@ >>you should be able to use PowerPointless to convert the slides@ >>into html.  I do that at work when someone gives me a ppt file7 >>I am supposed to use to update our intranet webpages.n >>= >>I like to do as much of my work at work on the VMS desktop. A >>Converting ppts to html helps.  The html generated is horrible,e' >>but _can_ be viewed by mozilla (SWB).l >> >>Just my $.02 >hJ >I did't see Jan-Erik's post but PPT is not just fine for the -- accordingJ >to Jan-Erik's cited statistic -- 1% of is that do not.  It's a BIG issue;K >not a non-issue.  Even if I *did* have access to a PeeCee -- like I might eI >take the file to the local library -- I wouldn't have the first clue howt >to run this PPT presentation.  H You left double click on the icon or rigth click and left click on open.F The battle you are fighting was lost long ago.  A neutral observation.6 It's just a tool, not a way of life.  Time to move on.   > K >Acceptable, cross-platform standards...  I'm all for having these present-wK >ations made available on the web in a HTML or PDF (yea, that's another canbJ >of worms) but stick PPT back up Billy G's alimentary canal output orificeJ >from whence it came please... oh, or give me a tool -- a VMS tool -- that >can be used to view it. >  >--t8 >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001      >VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >t >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.n; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).cA >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003  >s ---h& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:51:45 GMTu9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: Serial consolei2 Message-ID: <Bp75b.3909$4b5.1848@news.cpqcorp.net>  G The controller letter depends on the bus order.  Apparently the ISA busuI devices are enumerated first.  The device still shows up because you havepL not removed the ISA entry (if it's an EISA bus, the EISA config utility.  IfC it's ISA, normally the ISACFG console command, or the hardwired ISAn configuration file).    4 "Michael Moroney" <moroney@std.com> wrote in message" news:bj2jiq$bo3$1@pcls4.std.com...( > Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes: >s0 > >On 2003-09-02 00:22, "Michael Moroney" wrote: >eC > >> And I still managed to confuse it.  I put in a PCI modem in my H > >> alphastation and *it* showed up as TTA0: (the other ports TTB0: and TTC0:,I > >> don't know which was which)  Even now with the PCI modem removed and: itsDK > >> entry still present but disabled, the other ports are TTB0: and TTC0:,- > >> no TTA0: at all.% > >>
 > >> [...] > C > >What type of a PCI modem adapter? Any URL for technical details?l >t< > Sorry, I misremembered.  It was an ISA 56K modem, not PCI.> > It was whatever model was available at the PC show that day. >dB > >Is that "usable" for VMS, not asking for "supported" of course? >0I > It worked fine for PPP connections once I figured everything out (whichRE > wasn't easy), although it didn't work with all ISPs (VMS PPP didn'tmL > support CHAP or PAP logins or somesuch)  Worked fine for SET HOST/DTE as aJ > simple dialout, too.  I think it was rate limited to 38400 bps since theI > VMS TT driver didn't support higher speeds. Haven't used this for years0 > since I got a DSL line.e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:06:22 +0200 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m) Subject: Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTER ; Message-ID: <01L078N03XC2AMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   ; > http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/f2003_vms_dt_clusters.ppto   Interesting stuff.  H I see that bit 16 of SHADOW_SYS_DISK can be set to force reads to local $ disks in favor of MSCP-served disks.   What happens if it is not set?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 14:03:04 -0700e1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)a) Subject: Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTERe= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309021303.2893e43d@posting.google.com>l  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01L07842VUL8AMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>..., > > This code will need some intelligence.   > > L > > $MOUNT command with /SHADOW=(disk1,disk2) will mount it and also start aK > > shadow full-copy operation to update the local member.  If the oppositebL > > node is not up yet, then you should be able to $MOUNT the shadowset with/ > > only the local member in the /SHADOW list. n > 6 > With the command above, or with a different command?  C In theory it could be done with the first command above (specifyingiD both members in the /SHADOW qualifier list, presuming that ShadowingA will give up on the absent member), (and assuming you didn't alsos> include the /POLICY=REQUIRE_MEMBERS qualifier), but what I was
 thinking was:e  E (Assuming Disk1 is connected local to Server1, and Disk2 to Server2:)t  6 Server1 booting alone: $MOUNT DSAn:/SHADOW=Disk1 label6 Server2 booting alone: $MOUNT DSAn:/SHADOW=Disk2 label   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 15:05:30 -0700t1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ) Subject: Re: Shadowing question: NOMASTER = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309021405.33188dd3@posting.google.com>T  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01L078N03XC2AMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...J > I see that bit 16 of SHADOW_SYS_DISK can be set to force reads to local & > disks in favor of MSCP-served disks. >   > What happens if it is not set?  = If bit 16 is not set, Shadowing uses its default behavior fory2 selecting the member to read for a Read operation.  A As I recall, originally, Shadowing preferred local to remote (VMS F MSCP-served) devices, adding an effective Read Cost of about 20 to theB queue length for VMS MSCP-served devices (it reads from the member< with the lowest effective queue length on the local node, orA round-robin across members with equal queue lengths).  An ECO kit F around the 6.2 timeframe changed this behavior, causing both local andE VMS MSCP-served disks to have effectively equal Read Cost values, andcF thus be accessed in round-robin fashion (and in two-site VMS clusters,? sending half the reads across to the opposite site).  Bit 16 offB SHADOW_SYS_DISK was introduced to allow one to restore the earlier	 behavior.l  F Bit 16 is essentially obsolete now, as Shadowing now has comprehensiveA Read_Cost capabilities built in that provide more flexibility anduD control.  So it should be unnecessary to set Bit 16 now.  More about9 Shadowing and Read_Cost can be found in the documentation'K (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/5423/5423pro_005.html#index_x_272), E or in my presentation on Volume Shadowing Copy & Merge Performance ath6 http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/s2003_volshad_perf.ppt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:09:38 +0100-) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>0+ Subject: Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV ? Message-ID: <OV55b.4461$bC1.3481@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>t  A >>Interesting, a feature which exists on VAX but not ALPHA and is>@ >>apparently not hardware-specific.  What's the reason for this? > G > Digital were trying to flog DECNis's for Phase V routing at the time?e  C That early functionality was not routing, at least not in the sense1C that a networking engineer would understand the term. It was mostlyaB for cluster support and IIRC for multiple NIC support. It wouldn't< (again IIRC) accept traffic on NIC1 and spit it out on NIC2.  H Later on some code was borrowed from DECnis to create host-based routing (on Alpha and VAX).w   > Who remembers Futurebus :-)e  @ DECnis was Futurebus+ (as was Cobra, but I don't think there was# any compatibility between the two).    Antonion   -- .   --   ----------------- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:39:55 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV<2 Message-ID: <bj32re$4i8$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Michael Moroney wrote:) > Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:  >  > F >>DECnet Phase IV was/is routable. You have routing functionality bothC >>as host-based or as dedicated routers. Most Cisco routers also donA >>(did?) DECnet Phase IV routing if so configured (and licensed?)  >  > 6 >>Protocols such as LAT, MOP and SCS are not routable. >  >  >>Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<vzx3b.29$qf2.28@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>... >>K >>>Then you will always have both if necessary.  Remember, DECNET Phase IV p >>>is NOT routable.I >  > G > DECnet IV is routable just fine, HOWEVER, I do not think Alphas couldsE > ever be anything other than end nodes.  So you'll need either a VAXsH > of some sort, or one of the Cisco/modified DECserver/whatever boxes to > actually do so.C  N As others have stated, the DECnet-plus stack on VMS can do routing for DECnet " Phase IV and DECnet Phase V / OSI.  Q I have set up two Alphaservers DS10 purely as X.25 gateway and DECnet router. In u& effect they are DECnis replacements. !   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:49:48 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchyv9 Message-ID: <bj2s90$dvtau$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Doc.Cypher wrote:e; > On 31 Aug 2003, Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM> wrote:o8 >> Is anyone using vmsnet groups for anything other than filesharing? >l* > Yes, and I don't think I'm the only one. >e> >> I'm about to remove this hierarchy from my server, it seems that; >> there's precious little valid traffic there. I know thatm some actives1 >> mailing lists are gatewayed into vmsnet groupsn (info-multinet, for ; >> example), but that's about the only legit traffic there.  >> >> What say ye?h >Q< > UDP the SoBs.  Ask your peers to impose a UDP on them too. The ISPh7 > responsible for this little band of pirates should bee isolated until- > such time as they put their house in order.  >f >  > Doc.  9 Last February I asked the people at news.cis.dfn.de to doh8 that, they responded that they were already aware of the/ garbage going on in VMSNET, but they also said;   7     We could easily block _all_ articles that have beeno transported via thep<     teleline.es server since such a "path exclude" is a main
 element in:     keeping the news article transport efficient. However, such a "passiven=     UDP" would also affect a large number of regular articlesn so we will not;     impose it on our own, perhaps after a longer discussion  amoung newso*     admins and/or in the net-abuse groups.  < So if the people here that also run news servers would start> complaining in the net-abuse groups then maybe a large part of; the usenet community would take part in a UDP and get theseV idiots off the net.h   -- w Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.a Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX8 www.weaverconsulting.cag   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2003 17:45:40 -0700p" From: mouat@triumf.ca (Mike Mouat)C Subject: Using multiple Radeon 7500 PCI cards in a DS10 running VMS-= Message-ID: <995241af.0309021645.4650b4a5@posting.google.com>M  F We have used multiple 3DLabs VX1 graphics cards in a DS10 running VMS.A Unfortunately we appear to see a bug (graphics freeze for up to a ? minute) when X windows graphics are sent quickly to one or more D screens (this hangup does not happen when the same graphics are sentF to a VXT2000 or to a PC running XWin32). We bought a Radeon 7500 boardC and installed it and the new driver. With one card in the system itpE runs well and the freeze-ups are gone. If we put a second card in the2E DS10, the console recognizes both cards (GHA0 and GHB0) and at systemu> boot the system sees both devices but neither screen goes intoD graphics mode when the boot is complete. One screen goes into serialE mode. The console has its "console" variable set to "graphics" and isaF running firmware version 6.5. Are multiple Radeon 7500s not supported?? If they are not currently supported will they be in the future?    Thanks, Mike Mouat   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:48:24 -0400* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250, Message-ID: <3f551044$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  3 "jlsue" <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message=2 news:3v89lvoesej6nfk9u2o35nda8ugo08rgvm@4ax.com...F > On 28 Aug 2003 07:56:01 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote: >aA > Personally, I'd love to see HP institute some kind of 3rd-partyeG > qualification program.  I don't know what that involves, however.  ItyF > appears to me that qualification is not trivial, however, and if youH > include clusters, it becomes exponentially more complex to get all the > combinations.a  D Testing of VMS on a new hardware platform involves a lot of folkloreJ knowledge.  All of this folklore knowledge would need to be packaged up inK some kind of qualification test kit.  It could be done, but would take somet( time to collect all of this information.  L Once that is done, somebody needs to pay the third party to actually run theK tests.  I suspect DELL would not be interested in paying the fee to qualifyoI VMS on their platforms.  Dell is a high volume vendor and uninterested ina low volume VMS business.  J It all comes down to time and money.  There are much high priorities ahead% of VMS than support of Dell hardware.      Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Companye! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14t 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698d$ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.487 ************************