1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 489       Contents:@ Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in MacM Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal ? Re: Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain  Re: ANN:SMPP API under OpenVMS Re: ANN:SMPP API under OpenVMS+ Re: Any problems with the INFO-VAX gateway? $ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file$ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file blackout == computer failure?  Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?( Documentation for $setenv system service, Re: Documentation for $setenv system service, Re: Documentation for $setenv system service Re: HSZTERM  MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?% Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived 9 Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP # OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing ' Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing  Re: OpenVMS Training comes home  OSU web server mailing list I Re: overhead with host-based volume shadowing for a one-member shadow-set $ Re: Patching Ident field of an Image$ Re: Patching Ident field of an Image9 Re: PC-NFS on OpenVMS how does it assign the UID/GID pair  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: RdB on EVA ? Re: RdB on EVA ? Re: RdB on EVA ? Re: RdB on EVA ?7 Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available ' Re: Running app on each node in cluster  Re: Serial console SMTP and DECnet mail1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 03 07:41:48 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) I Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac ) Message-ID: <d7OggS1VDnOj@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <3F558FA2.9000105@tzora.co.il>, Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> writes:  > Paul Sture wrote:    <snip>  H >> The last option in theory offers me the option of launching a DECtermL >> window on the Mac, but I haven't figured out how to get this working yet, >> getting:  >>  3 >> $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac  >> $ mc decw$clock* >> XIO:  unable to open connection _WSA22:F >>       after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.& >> X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display( >> %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204+ >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  > G > Try running DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO - the error messages are a trifle more   > informative. >    Thanks for the reminder.     $ mc DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO' XIO:  unable to open connection _WSA22: C       after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.  Cannot open display ) : non-translatable vms error code: 0x20EC ? %system-f-linkdiscon, network partner disconnected logical link   M On the Mac side the X11 Preferences menus mutter vaguely about authorization, B saying I can't get in unless authorization is enabled. I suspect IF may have to wait for the next version of Motif on the VMS side to talkO to that stuff. The DECwindows/Motif manuals up on the VMS site already reflect   what is to come in that area.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:53:24 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <030920032053246189%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  C In article <e5udnQS8-4COnMuiRTvUpQ@speakeasy.net>, Matthew Russotto % <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:   5 > In article <9+bYy$yTXlCs@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  @ > >But it is a shame Apple could not get it right with Terminal. > H > Terminal has delete sending delete by default.  F1-F4 send the PF1-PF41 > keys.  F5-F11 send F5-F11.  What's the problem?   B On top of Larry's lament, how do you get F16-F20 on a Powerbook in	 terminal? 3 Not to mention find insert remove prev next select? $ Xterm is a bit better, but not much.  , ps. It's nice to see so many Mac+VMS people.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:06:21 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal$ Message-ID: <3f5657d7$1@news.si.com>  F >As a side note, we are adding a new set terminal command and terminalK >attribute so that the user can select BACKSPACE == DELETE.  That is, treat : >backspace (^H) as a rubout as well as delete as a rubout.  J Of coursem this will also be added to OpenVMS VAX.  Oh, wait.  There is no% such thing as far as HP is concerned.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2003 21:52:37 GMT / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal* Message-ID: <bj5nr5$25q$1@news1.radix.net>  7 In comp.os.vms Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> wrote: E > In article <e5udnQS8-4COnMuiRTvUpQ@speakeasy.net>, Matthew Russotto ' > <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:   6 >> In article <9+bYy$yTXlCs@eisner.encompasserve.org>,1 >> Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:   A >> >But it is a shame Apple could not get it right with Terminal.  >>  I >> Terminal has delete sending delete by default.  F1-F4 send the PF1-PF4 2 >> keys.  F5-F11 send F5-F11.  What's the problem?  D > On top of Larry's lament, how do you get F16-F20 on a Powerbook in > terminal? 5 > Not to mention find insert remove prev next select? & > Xterm is a bit better, but not much.  H XFree86 xterm (which is what Mac OSX uses) gets F13-F20 by control/F3-10H or control/F1-F8, depending on resource settings.  Insert, remove, etc.,E are also provided.  It's been a while since I've seen a Mac keyboard, C but it should be possible to make it work as well as a PC keyboard.   J That's assuming someone hasn't "improved" it by adding to the translations resource, of course.   --  4 Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@his.com> http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:25:10 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <030920032325106457%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  8 In article <bj5nr5$25q$1@news1.radix.net>, Thomas Dickey" <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> wrote:   J > XFree86 xterm (which is what Mac OSX uses) gets F13-F20 by control/F3-10J > or control/F1-F8, depending on resource settings.  Insert, remove, etc.,G > are also provided.  It's been a while since I've seen a Mac keyboard, E > but it should be possible to make it work as well as a PC keyboard. G There are a couple of X11 servers, the one you mention and Apple's own. @ Neither is perfect. I once got DECTerm working under Apple's ownC variant of XFree86 but the redraw on window move was embarrassingly D awful. You have to be a special form of masochist to use X11 betweenD Mac and VMS just to get a terminal, so I gave up before the pain gotF unbearable. I really wish that Better Telnet made it to OS X,  and I'mB hoping that the final version of Apple's Xserver is better. In theG meantime, if I really need to, I'm typing the esoteric escape sequences  by hand.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:53:25 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal6 Message-ID: <00A255CC.BCF4CC81@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <030920032053246189%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes:D >In article <e5udnQS8-4COnMuiRTvUpQ@speakeasy.net>, Matthew Russotto& ><russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote: > 6 >> In article <9+bYy$yTXlCs@eisner.encompasserve.org>,1 >> Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  > A >> >But it is a shame Apple could not get it right with Terminal.  >>  I >> Terminal has delete sending delete by default.  F1-F4 send the PF1-PF4 2 >> keys.  F5-F11 send F5-F11.  What's the problem? > C >On top of Larry's lament, how do you get F16-F20 on a Powerbook in 
 >terminal?  I I bought a full-sized USB keyboard.  Not so good for the actual lap, but  O very nice for home/hotel use (and then EVE works nicely with Nifty Telnet+SSH).   - >ps. It's nice to see so many Mac+VMS people.    We appreciate quality.   -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:20:19 -04005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> H Subject: Re: Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain/ Message-ID: <vld8b7nfk414e1@corp.supernews.com>   A RequireSignOrSeal probably needs to be disabled on the W2003 box.   G The best source of information to on this can be found at the Microsoft G Knowledge base. This article describes the problem whose solution is to 3 disable the "RequireSignOrSeal" registry parameter: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;318266  L This article goes on to further describe integrity of the secure channel and6 the affects on signing and sealing the secure channel:> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;183859   Hope this helps.  
 Brad McCusker    OpenVMS Engineering   I "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message 7 news:6bc20ab7.0308310744.7ff84bb5@posting.google.com... E > I need to add a Windows Server 2003 box to my Advanced Server V7.3A 1 > ECO1 (Pathworks) domain on a VMS 7.2-1 cluster.  > H > After giving the correct administrator's password, I get the message : > F >   the following error has occured attempting to join the domain "X":3 >   a remote procedure call (RPC) protocol occurred  > E > I've already disabled "member of domain" encryption features in the + > local security window of the W2003 system  > NetBIOS over IP is enabled. 7 > The Pathworks cluster alias is ok in the W2003 LMHOST  >  > Any idea ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:18:27 +0400 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>' Subject: Re: ANN:SMPP API under OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <AF7896F94E4EB71372E12C12FDABBA77@nntp>    JF Mezei wrote:  > "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: > X >>        AFAIK, traditionaly, operator provide some other primitive way to SMS-ing fromN >>internet - it's a MAIL to SMS gateways (for example xxxxxx@page@nextel.com). >  > P > Unfortunatly, SMPP is the "only" efficient way to allow someone to send an SMSN > to a host. For instance, if I want to be able to turn on lights in the houseG > from my phone, I need to be able to send an SMS "directly" to my VAX.  > K > Using email is very problematic because anyone can forge my phone's email  > address. (and is slow).  	You are right. D 	Commonly, SMPP access is a password protected and GSM-operator can H allow access to SMSC with SMPP for a particulary user. At least I think 1 that our company will allow that in a future. :-)    --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+<        RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.com9          vms-isps@dls.net - Forum for ISP running OpenVMS B     TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:46:30 +0500 & From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>' Subject: Re: ANN:SMPP API under OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <bj6jjl$fu86e$1@ID-184585.news.uni-berlin.de>    JF Mezei wrote:  > "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: > X >>        AFAIK, traditionaly, operator provide some other primitive way to SMS-ing fromN >>internet - it's a MAIL to SMS gateways (for example xxxxxx@page@nextel.com). >  > P > Unfortunatly, SMPP is the "only" efficient way to allow someone to send an SMSN > to a host. For instance, if I want to be able to turn on lights in the houseG > from my phone, I need to be able to send an SMS "directly" to my VAX.  [snip]  9    It depends on what do you mean "efficient". You could  < acquire GSM module, say Siemens TC35, plug it into COM port < on your VAX (or port on terminal server), put SIM-card into : it and voi-la - your VAX is able to communicate with SMSC 7 without bothering SMS providers. Obviously it's not so  7 elegant as SMPP, but quit sufficient to turn lights on.    --  
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:22:53 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>4 Subject: Re: Any problems with the INFO-VAX gateway?' Message-ID: <3f56317d$1@cpns1.saic.com>    Ken Robinson wrote: ? > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in  5 > news:01L08F8UADXIAMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com:  >  > B >>>As the subject says... are there any problems with the INFO-VAXE >>>news/email gateway? Or should I look for a problem with my email?   >>/ >>Maybe you'll see this via Google or whatever.  >>( >>There don't appear to be any problems. >>G >>I'm assuming that you think there are problems and that you normally  H >>access comp.os.vms via Info-VAX.  If you aren't getting messages, how G >>are folks supposed to let you know, since you didn't provide a valid  , >>address to reply to (even in munged form)? >> >  >  > Sorry. >  > I'm posting via Xnews... >  > Ken " > kenrbnsn (at) kenrbnsn (dot) com  I Nope, there is no such domain as kenrbnsn.com.  So what I tried to reply  ) via mail will need to go to news instead.   H There is nothing wrong with the gateway.  However, subscriptions do get G disabled when all mail sent to them bounces, which is what happened in  G your case.  Have you checked with your ISP?  If you believe the domain  C you gave above is supposed to exist, it doesn't at the moment I am  
 writing this.   
 Mark Berryman  Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com Info-VAX administrator   ------------------------------   Date: 03 Sep 2003 22:53:42 GMT) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> - Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file 9 Message-ID: <3f5670f5$0$245$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>   : Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:K > > Are you moving this directory on the same disk?  If so, RENAME the .DIR ) > > file to the new containing directory.    > Right.  C > Tongue-slightly-in-cheek: Is renaming directories supported?  :-)     M Certainly is! I think, though you need to be careful about permissions. IIRC, O you need delete access to a file to rename it, and directories are usually only  RWE for the owner.   Tony.  --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2003 21:06:32 -0700 , From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)- Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file = Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0309032006.5ffc85b8@posting.google.com>    Phillip Helbig ... J > Suppose I now copy a higher-level directory [...] which contains A and BG > to, say, another disk.  If I do an IMAGE backup, then I can have B as B > the alias entry for A, or I have DOUBLE COPIES OF ALL THE FILES,C > depending on /ALIAS or /NOALIAS.  However, if I DON'T do an image I > backup, the only option is to have all the files duplicated, or I have  H > to just copy one of the directories and do the SET FILE/ENTER by hand  > again.  % What is the advantage to using ALIAS? F I am an old horse familiar with using OpenVMS symbols or logical namesB as short cuts to files, and to use a logical name for a "Directory; list" that includes multiple directories or multiple disks. E So far, using an ALIAS sounds very difficult to manage and may create  undesirable backup save sets.   C Can someone from H.P. chime in with "good practices", "avoid at all ' costs", and a reasonable use for ALIAS? < So far I am glad users and I have not yet used that feature.  
 Thank you.8 JimStrehlow, Data911, OpenVMS Systems and Database Admin   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:59:05 -0700' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> & Subject: blackout == computer failure?8 Message-ID: <20030903165905.7c758e94.mathog@caltech.edu>  > Interesting transcripts coming out about the NE power failure.  ? See the Yahoo story "Calls Show Pre-Blackout Utility Confusion"   a  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030903/ap_on_re_us/blackout_investigation_23   . which contains what sounds like a smoking gun:  +   Well, we're trying to," replied Snickey.  ;   "Our computer is not happy. It's not cooperating either."   7 Inquiring minds want to know what kind of computer that 9 was, and in exactly what ways it "wasn't happy and wasn't 
 cooperating".   7 Maybe it's just me, but that sounds exactly like an end 4 user description of a worm infected Windows machine.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:17:14 GMT ( From: Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.com># Subject: Disk Problems, I'm stumped 8 Message-ID: <djgdlv81e1o9ra7ebmuln39pr9cr75ngc4@4ax.com>  : I'm having some disk problems that I'm trying to sort out.3 It's been probably over 8 years since I've done any 6 kind of serious system management, so I'm a bit rusty.  ' System A:  VaxStation 3100/30,  VMS 6.1 % System B:  Alpha 3000/300LX,  VMS 6.2   1 Each system has a boot disk and a data disk.  The  boot disk is fairly stable.   . Problems have been surfacing on my VaxStation.5 Last week I was having a significant number of errors 7 on my data disk, so I immediately did two image backups : of it, on before and one after a reboot. By significant, I; mean thousands.  Enough to stop my work.  After a couple of : false attempts with incompatible disks, I finally restored7 from tape to the RZ26L disk I acquired this morning.  I 5 did this under a "minimal" system boot.  Analyze disk  confirmed a number of errors.   8 But during this boot, where I did the restore, I noticed7 an error message that displayed priior to the copyright   message being displayed. It was:5 %RBLD-E-WRTIBMAP, I/O error writing index file bitmap  on relative volume 1  4 I wasn't quite 100% sure what I meant, but I knew it5 wasn't good.  Next I tried a regular system boot.  It 3 came up and appeared normal, with the login window. 7 When I would log in, the VaxStation would crash.  After 6 several times, I did a minimal boot, which worked, but* the with same RBLD message.  Next I did an- ANALYZE/DISK on the boot disk and it returned 4 hundreds of errors.  Great, I had errors on my data - disk, and now my boot disk also has problems. , Ok, now I realize that the RBLD message says2 that it can't write to the bitmap, which obviously0 means things are going to fail in an unfriendly  manner.   3 After trying a number of things, I decided to mount / the VaxStation boot disk on the Alpha as a data - disk.  After I boot the Alpha, I then MOUNTed 0 the Vax's system disk.  MOUNT did not return any. errors, but SHOW DEVICE said 11 errors on that disk.  ANALYZE/ERROR tells me:    SCSI CMD = Unknown SCSI Cmd    Status = Good0    Extended Sense = Aborted Command, RAM Failure! 11 of these messages were logged.   8 I exercise the disk a bit, and get no errors.  I perform0 an ANALYZE/DISK and unlike the report on the Vax2 I get no errors.  Now I'm stumped.  To make things3 even stranger, after mounting the old Vax data disk . on the Alpha and again performing ANALYZE/DISK3 I get no errors, unlike the Vax.  So now I'm doubly 2 stumped.  I even created some files on both disks, and still no errors.  6 I find it hard to believe that both disks would go bad5 within a few days of each other.  By the way, the old 5 data disk was an external disk, with a separate power  supply.   & Can anyone make any sense out of this?  2 Question...  Can I perform on the Alpha, an image 1 copy of my Vax system disk to a new disk and then 2 boot the Vax from this new disk, or will I have to. use an intermediate media, like tape?  Is that confusing enough.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:37:31 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>' Subject: Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped 2 Message-ID: <bj6j7a$q2j$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Randy Park wrote: < > I'm having some disk problems that I'm trying to sort out.5 > It's been probably over 8 years since I've done any 8 > kind of serious system management, so I'm a bit rusty. > ) > System A:  VaxStation 3100/30,  VMS 6.1 ' > System B:  Alpha 3000/300LX,  VMS 6.2  > 3 > Each system has a boot disk and a data disk.  The  > boot disk is fairly stable.  > 0 > Problems have been surfacing on my VaxStation.7 > Last week I was having a significant number of errors 9 > on my data disk, so I immediately did two image backups < > of it, on before and one after a reboot. By significant, I= > mean thousands.  Enough to stop my work.  After a couple of < > false attempts with incompatible disks, I finally restored9 > from tape to the RZ26L disk I acquired this morning.  I 7 > did this under a "minimal" system boot.  Analyze disk  > confirmed a number of errors.  > : > But during this boot, where I did the restore, I noticed9 > an error message that displayed priior to the copyright " > message being displayed. It was:7 > %RBLD-E-WRTIBMAP, I/O error writing index file bitmap  > on relative volume 1 > 6 > I wasn't quite 100% sure what I meant, but I knew it7 > wasn't good.  Next I tried a regular system boot.  It 5 > came up and appeared normal, with the login window. 9 > When I would log in, the VaxStation would crash.  After 8 > several times, I did a minimal boot, which worked, but, > the with same RBLD message.  Next I did an/ > ANALYZE/DISK on the boot disk and it returned 6 > hundreds of errors.  Great, I had errors on my data / > disk, and now my boot disk also has problems. . > Ok, now I realize that the RBLD message says4 > that it can't write to the bitmap, which obviously2 > means things are going to fail in an unfriendly 	 > manner.  > 5 > After trying a number of things, I decided to mount 1 > the VaxStation boot disk on the Alpha as a data / > disk.  After I boot the Alpha, I then MOUNTed 2 > the Vax's system disk.  MOUNT did not return any0 > errors, but SHOW DEVICE said 11 errors on that  > disk.  ANALYZE/ERROR tells me:  >    SCSI CMD = Unknown SCSI Cmd >    Status = Good2 >    Extended Sense = Aborted Command, RAM Failure# > 11 of these messages were logged.  > : > I exercise the disk a bit, and get no errors.  I perform2 > an ANALYZE/DISK and unlike the report on the Vax4 > I get no errors.  Now I'm stumped.  To make things5 > even stranger, after mounting the old Vax data disk 0 > on the Alpha and again performing ANALYZE/DISK5 > I get no errors, unlike the Vax.  So now I'm doubly 4 > stumped.  I even created some files on both disks, > and still no errors. > 8 > I find it hard to believe that both disks would go bad7 > within a few days of each other.  By the way, the old 7 > data disk was an external disk, with a separate power 	 > supply.  > ( > Can anyone make any sense out of this?  N Yes, what both disks have in common is the SCSI controller and the SCSI bus / ? cable. So your problem can most likely be found in one of both.   Q Disconnect the external disk, and put a SCSI terminator on SCSI connector on the  Q VaxStation. If your system disk still shows errors, then you have a problem with  L your Vax hardware. If not, then have a good look at your SCSI cable and the   terminator on the external disk.     > 4 > Question...  Can I perform on the Alpha, an image 3 > copy of my Vax system disk to a new disk and then # > boot the Vax from this new disk,     Sure, no problem.    > or will I have to 0 > use an intermediate media, like tape?  Is that > confusing enough.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:12:52 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? + Message-ID: <3F562FD2.D066F485@pacbell.net>   A I agree with that, especially mail and SMTP SPAM features, like : F If addressed to 'THIS' user, respond immediately with NO SUCH USER and
 drop link!B Sorry Guy, I know this isn't the direction you wanted to take this	 thread...    --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > G > > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be 1 > > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  > > K > > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be ( > > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedK > > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and  > > set break. > > ; > > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.  >  > It would be nice to have.  > D > However, your resources are not unlimited.  I think that there areI > higher-priority items which need to be tackled.  I would prefer to have I > no DCL debugger IF this means that more resources could be invested in, J > say, improving VMS MAIL, improving TCPIP (not so much the features as a)J > the command-line interface and b) the on-disk organisation of the files) > etc. > @ > I think most folks don't know what your internal budgeting andD > work-distribution policies are, so it's difficult for us to see if> > saving resources somewhere would free them up elsewhere etc.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:15:54 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? + Message-ID: <3F563088.C8ACD091@pacbell.net>    WHILE is great. CASE is good.    Guy Peleg wrote: > 	 > Hi Ken,  > L > I'm currently in coding stage of a WHILE. Hopefully you may use it instead	 > of FOR. * > CASE statement is next on my plate...... >  > Guy    >  > Ken Robinson wrote:  > H > > Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in news:3F55DAA1.A38E175A@hp.com: > >  > > > I > > > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be 3 > > > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  > > > J > > > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will- > > > be useful. It won't be as sophisticated I > > > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine  > > > and set break. > > K > > I think that this is a very good idea. With it, I wouldn't need to keep / > > re-inventing the wheel with each procedure.  > > K > > Other suggestions for DCL ... (I know you didn't ask, but why not :-) )  > >  > > 1) a for loop construct  > > 2) a switch construct  > > 3) more that 8 parameters  > >  > > Probably others... > >  > > Ken Robinson   --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:30:15 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? + Message-ID: <3F5633E5.FC03B246@pacbell.net>   0 I like that too, if it's simple, something like:# open/ip  MYSOCK  206.125.32.43:1024  write  MYSOCK  "connect" read  MYSOCK  DATA close MYSOCK  2 Maybe also a lexical like f$nslookup(DOMAIN_NAME)    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > / > On 3 Sep 2003 at 16:46, Keith A. Lewis wrote: K > > Here's an improvement I'd like to see in DCL -- a way to write to a MBA P > > device which does the equivalent of IO$_WRITEVBLK | IO$M_NOW |IO$M_NORSWAIT.M > > DCL's WRITE command seems to wait for the message to be read on the other  > > end before continuing. > D > While we're wishing and hoping -- how about a way to exchange dataF > with IP sockets on remote hosts?  That was a big subject some months3 > ago, and I don't remember it ever being resolved.  > > > As for someone else's comment that you shouldn't write "realB > programs" in DCL:  check out "Writing Real Programs in DCL".  AnD > excellent book, worth every penny -- I read it cover-to-cover, and' > discovered all sorts of useful stuff.  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2003 13:17:45 -0700 * From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? < Message-ID: <d28306e.0309031217.77777c20@posting.google.com>   Please, YES.: I noted you are working on FOR, WHILE and others.  Thanks.    P Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3F55DAA1.A38E175A@hp.com>...E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be / > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  > I > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be & > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and  > set break. > 9 > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Guy Peleg  > OpenVMS Engineering  > J > ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing a3 > DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will not + > necessarily result in actual product.....    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:15:07 +0100  From: Alan <alan@nospam.com>' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? 4 Message-ID: <bj5ll1$1m9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  9 How about... Making the OpenVMS FTP server work correctly : with all the other OS browsers, such as Microsoft IE, and 3 Linux browsers (Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, etc...).   5 This would be a much bigger step forward for OpenVMS.   5 Does anybody in VMS engineering test this against any  other OS browser.    Alan     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:23:07 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? / Message-ID: <vlcmtrs0k0e72f@corp.supernews.com>   # Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote: 9 : Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.    How about a syntax checker?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:01:58 +0200 - From: Marc Van Dyck <marc.vandyck@brutele.be> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 9 Message-ID: <mesnews.1d657d39.49cee60d.35.584@brutele.be>   0 Aprs mure rflexion, "Keith A. Lewis" a crit :   > I > Here's an improvement I'd like to see in DCL -- a way to write to a MBA N > device which does the equivalent of IO$_WRITEVBLK | IO$M_NOW |IO$M_NORSWAIT.K > DCL's WRITE command seems to wait for the message to be read on the other  > end before continuing. > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org @ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  E If you need that feature, look at the MBX package on the freeware CD,sB which does exactly this. If you do so, some feedback would be much appreciated.   Marc.n     -- T
 Marc Van Dyck?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:08:17 GMT ! From: JBloggs@acme..spamless..comw' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 8 Message-ID: <b1pclvk6k865opq8fd7tb59k52rvui9fm8@4ax.com>  7 On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:17:15 -0400, "Stanley F. Quayle"w <stan@stanq.com> wrote:M  D >While we're wishing and hoping -- how about a way to exchange data F >with IP sockets on remote hosts?  That was a big subject some months 2 >ago, and I don't remember it ever being resolved.  @ Taking that a step further, a  Perl CLI (eg P-Shell) would be a  very handy thing,o  F if no other reason, than that for lotsa folks not well versed in VMS, " they might well be fluent in Perl.  9 A set of docs on how to write/install your own CLI/Shell ?> would  be interesting too (even if completely unsupported ...)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:24:17 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>d' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?b/ Message-ID: <vlcn016lni3j5e@corp.supernews.com>   , Ken Robinson <sendspamhere@rbnsn.com> wrote: : 1) a for loop constructd : 2) a switch constructa : 3) more that 8 parametersd   foreach would be nice.  . And I'd _love_ the ability to write functions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:11:05 -0700t0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?o' Message-ID: <3f562eb9$1@cpns1.saic.com>i   Guy Peleg wrote:E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to bee/ > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).t > I > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be & > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine andc > set break.  ( Count this as as strong vote in favor...  9 > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.D >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Guy Pelegd > OpenVMS EngineeringE > J > ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing a3 > DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will notl+ > necessarily result in actual product.....a  H There were some features in the RSX command interpreter that never made H made it into VMS that would be very useful.  Unfortunately, it has been F over 15 years since I touched an RSX system and I can't remember them ! all.  Two that I do remember are:   I    o The ability to execute a command procedure directly out of a library $      (e.g. @package.tlb/module=doit)  G    o The ability to execute a command file without actually issuing anytH       commands (i.e., the DCL code would execute but anything that wouldI       be considered a "command" (something that would activate an image?)c@       would simply echo, not execute).  cf. RSX sysgen procedure  F    o I also seem to remember an ability to echo "commands" only (againB      that vague word, something causing execution outside of DCL?)C      without echoing any other part of the command file.  Sort of ak      set verify light.  ? I've asked for this before but don't remember if it got to you:^  F    o I'd like a command (SET PROCESS/PARSE=PIPE_ASSUMED ?) that causesE      DCL parsing to always assume the command was prefixed with PIPE.n   And a few other ideas:  F    o If line-editing across a line-wrap can't be fixed in the terminal#      driver, work around it in DCL.i  @    o Longer prompts, with variable substitution (requested oftenE      by those who use other systems frequently and VMS occasionally).   E    o More flexibility in symbol limits.  I know (and appreciate) whataI      is coming but, (acting like a typical user here) I want more.  Since F      RMS can support a 32KB record, I'd like DCL to be able to put theC      entire record in one symbol.  A SET PROCESS command (or even ayI      SYSGEN parameter) that specifies the max symbol length would be very-E      nice if memory overhead is an issue.  Maybe moving symbols to P2t      space would help.  D    o An addition to DCL command definition:  the ability to define aE      translation table between DCL syntax and Unix shell syntax.  The<F      user would then enter the command in standard DCL form; DCL wouldD      translate the command to Unix shell form (i.e. command -switch1G      value1 -switch2 value2 etc). and hand that command line off to thei,      defined image as a CLI Foreign command.   That's it for now.  	 Comments?t  
 Mark Berrymanb   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:29:06 -0700e0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3f5632f2$1@cpns1.saic.com>n   Mark Berryman wrote: > Guy Peleg wrote: > F >> The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be0 >> added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2). >>J >> We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be' >> useful. It won't be as sophisticatediJ >> as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and
 >> set break.a >  > * > Count this as as strong vote in favor... > : >> Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail. >> >> Thanks in advance,u >> >> Guy Peleg >> OpenVMS Engineering >>K >> ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing aa4 >> DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will not, >> necessarily result in actual product..... >  > J > There were some features in the RSX command interpreter that never made J > made it into VMS that would be very useful.  Unfortunately, it has been H > over 15 years since I touched an RSX system and I can't remember them # > all.  Two that I do remember are:  > J >   o The ability to execute a command procedure directly out of a library% >     (e.g. @package.tlb/module=doit)e > H >   o The ability to execute a command file without actually issuing anyI >      commands (i.e., the DCL code would execute but anything that wouldeJ >      be considered a "command" (something that would activate an image?)A >      would simply echo, not execute).  cf. RSX sysgen procedurem > G >   o I also seem to remember an ability to echo "commands" only (again C >     that vague word, something causing execution outside of DCL?)TD >     without echoing any other part of the command file.  Sort of a >     set verify light.5 > A > I've asked for this before but don't remember if it got to you:t > G >   o I'd like a command (SET PROCESS/PARSE=PIPE_ASSUMED ?) that causes F >     DCL parsing to always assume the command was prefixed with PIPE. >  > And a few other ideas: > G >   o If line-editing across a line-wrap can't be fixed in the terminalt$ >     driver, work around it in DCL. > A >   o Longer prompts, with variable substitution (requested oftensF >     by those who use other systems frequently and VMS occasionally). > F >   o More flexibility in symbol limits.  I know (and appreciate) whatJ >     is coming but, (acting like a typical user here) I want more.  SinceG >     RMS can support a 32KB record, I'd like DCL to be able to put the-D >     entire record in one symbol.  A SET PROCESS command (or even aJ >     SYSGEN parameter) that specifies the max symbol length would be veryF >     nice if memory overhead is an issue.  Maybe moving symbols to P2 >     space would help.< > E >   o An addition to DCL command definition:  the ability to define arF >     translation table between DCL syntax and Unix shell syntax.  TheG >     user would then enter the command in standard DCL form; DCL would,E >     translate the command to Unix shell form (i.e. command -switch1 H >     value1 -switch2 value2 etc). and hand that command line off to the- >     defined image as a CLI Foreign command.r >  > That's it for now. >  > Comments?e >  > Mark Berrymann >    I thought of another one:e  A A P0 parameter that contains the entire command that invoked the sB procedure, exactly as typed.  (If not P0, then a lexical that can 
 retrieve it.)n  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:12:44 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3F569F9C.C9FC9859@fsi.net>d   Mark Berryman wrote: >  > Mark Berryman wrote: > > Guy Peleg wrote: > >-H > >> The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be2 > >> added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2). > >>L > >> We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be) > >> useful. It won't be as sophisticated.L > >> as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and > >> set break.@ > >o > >w, > > Count this as as strong vote in favor... > >s< > >> Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail. > >> > >> Thanks in advance,X > >> > >> Guy Peleg > >> OpenVMS Engineering > >>M > >> ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing ar6 > >> DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will not. > >> necessarily result in actual product..... > >y > >5K > > There were some features in the RSX command interpreter that never made K > > made it into VMS that would be very useful.  Unfortunately, it has beeneI > > over 15 years since I touched an RSX system and I can't remember theme% > > all.  Two that I do remember are:T > >+L > >   o The ability to execute a command procedure directly out of a library' > >     (e.g. @package.tlb/module=doit)=  " I had suggested something similar:  % $ DEFINE DCL$LIBRARY SYS$DISK:[MYDIR]-) $ @procedure_name/LIBRARY[=libname[.CLB]]e2 $ INCLUDE[/LIBRARY[=libname[.CLB]]] procedure_name  H ...where "libname" defaults to the either the translation of DCL$LIBRARY# or SYS$LIBRARY:DCL$LIBRARY.CLB, ala=  6 	F$PARSE( libname, "DCL$LIBRARY", "SYS$LIBRARY:.CLB" )  B ..., or optionally, SET LIBRARY SYS$DISK:[MYDIR] could provide the  secondary default for (F)$PARSE.  H The INCLUDE command would execute at the current depth. This is intendedA for symbol assignments and other "straight-line" logic, no GOTOs.p  J > >   o The ability to execute a command file without actually issuing anyK > >      commands (i.e., the DCL code would execute but anything that wouldfL > >      be considered a "command" (something that would activate an image?)C > >      would simply echo, not execute).  cf. RSX sysgen procedurem  + A DCL syntax checker would be helpful, yes.   I > >   o I also seem to remember an ability to echo "commands" only (againdE > >     that vague word, something causing execution outside of DCL?)tF > >     without echoing any other part of the command file.  Sort of a > >     set verify light.n  2 See HELP SET VERIFY, especially the third example.  C > > I've asked for this before but don't remember if it got to you:o > >.I > >   o I'd like a command (SET PROCESS/PARSE=PIPE_ASSUMED ?) that causesrH > >     DCL parsing to always assume the command was prefixed with PIPE.   That WOULD be cool, yes.   > > And a few other ideas: > >eI > >   o If line-editing across a line-wrap can't be fixed in the terminalX& > >     driver, work around it in DCL.  ! I've seen many posters want that.d  C > >   o Longer prompts, with variable substitution (requested oftenyH > >     by those who use other systems frequently and VMS occasionally).  > In light of the long-line editing question, is that advisable?  H > >   o More flexibility in symbol limits.  I know (and appreciate) whatL > >     is coming but, (acting like a typical user here) I want more.  SinceI > >     RMS can support a 32KB record, I'd like DCL to be able to put the F > >     entire record in one symbol.  A SET PROCESS command (or even aL > >     SYSGEN parameter) that specifies the max symbol length would be veryH > >     nice if memory overhead is an issue.  Maybe moving symbols to P2 > >     space would help.P  G I believe that is an issue of the string descriptor length field. DunnoF3 if they can do that without breaking a lotta stuff.n  G > >   o An addition to DCL command definition:  the ability to define a H > >     translation table between DCL syntax and Unix shell syntax.  TheI > >     user would then enter the command in standard DCL form; DCL wouldSG > >     translate the command to Unix shell form (i.e. command -switch1 J > >     value1 -switch2 value2 etc). and hand that command line off to the/ > >     defined image as a CLI Foreign command.  > >n
 > > [snip] > >-
 > > Comments?r >  > I thought of another one:- > B > A P0 parameter that contains the entire command that invoked theC > procedure, exactly as typed.  (If not P0, then a lexical that can  > retrieve it.)t  C That WOULD be very helpful, yes! ...but would likely exacerbate the  string length issue.   -- 3 David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/b   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2003 21:27:26 -0700 , From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?>< Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0309032027.9af2692@posting.google.com>  P Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3F55DAA1.A38E175A@hp.com>...E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to beo/ > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).nI > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will bed& > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine andu > set break.  E What would help us all is to remove some "legacy" restrictions on DCLe) statement length and length of variables:n   $OPEN/READ  xx  filename=   where the maximum record length is 2048 or when we must uset     $WRITE/SYMBOL  xx  data 1   when the data string is greater than 1024 bytest  F   or $ READ/INDEX  had a record length limit of 255 bytes (old note of mine.)    : (The debugger will have quite a task with symbol parsing.)  D Work on making DCL more user friendly before adding a debugger would8 attract more people to become more comfortable with DCL.  @ JimStrehlow, Data911, OpenVMS Systems and Database Administrator (18 years+ VMS)o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:35:20 -0500% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger??8 Message-ID: <Lez5b.42129$Jb1.1389@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  6 Would the DCL compiler come with that by any chance???  C I heard rumours of a DCL complier several years ago that supposedlyeA decreased boot time of a VAX system from 30 minutes to 5 minutes.   - Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in messagei  news:3F55DAA1.A38E175A@hp.com... >rE > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be / > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).n >oI > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will beo& > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine andt > set break. >a9 > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.e >  > Thanks in advance, >u > Guy Peleg  > OpenVMS Engineeringv >hJ > ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing a3 > DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will not@+ > necessarily result in actual product.....- >- >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:09:17 GMTn From: dittman@dittman.netc' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 8 Message-ID: <1Oz5b.13540$N95.13051@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>  ! Z <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote:u. > Ken Robinson <sendspamhere@rbnsn.com> wrote: > : 1) a for loop construct  > : 2) a switch construct  > : 3) more that 8 parametersr >  > foreach would be nice. > 0 > And I'd _love_ the ability to write functions.  / I'd really like to see command line completion.d -- e Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:11:05 +0300o" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?C& Message-ID: <3F56C969.74AE316C@hp.com>    Thank you all for your feedback.H I didn't answer every response but I added every request published to my
 wish list.  I It looks that most people would find DCL debugger useful. This won't be a  priority one' project but more of a midnight project.:  H We currently thinking about "user written lexical functions". We haven't! figured it out completely but thesJ idea would be to develop a lexical function that will call a user supplied" routine and possibly supply a listL of parameters. I would like  to allow calling Java applets as well.  This is still in the VERY early C stages of development, more on this probably within a month or two.   J Other things that are being considered are lexical functions with multiple item codes and 64bit support in symbols.e  J Once the WHILE feature is ready I'll post another message asking for field test candidates.  I Last but not least please look at this as a looking forward statement and  not a firm commitment.  D Thank you again for your great feedback and your support in OpenVMS.  	 Guy Pelegn OpenVMS Engineering    Guy Peleg wrote:  E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to bee/ > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).l >aI > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will bea& > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and. > set break. >i9 > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.- >- > Thanks in advance, >  > Guy Peleg3 > OpenVMS Engineering0 >rJ > ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing a3 > DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will notc+ > necessarily result in actual product.....a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:10:18 +0300U" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?0& Message-ID: <3F56C93A.543DDB89@hp.com>    Thank you all for your feedback.H I didn't answer every response but I added every request published to my
 wish list.  I It looks that most people would find DCL debugger useful. This won't be a  priority one' project but more of a midnight project.t  H We currently thinking about "user written lexical functions". We haven't! figured it out completely but thesJ idea would be to develop a lexical function that will call a user supplied" routine and possibly supply a listL of parameters. I would like  to allow calling Java applets as well.  This is still in the VERY early3C stages of development, more on this probably within a month or two.s  J Other things that are being considered are lexical functions with multiple item codes and 64bit support in symbols.I  J Once the WHILE feature is ready I'll post another message asking for field test candidates.  I Last but not least please look at this as a looking forward statement and. not a firm commitment.  D Thank you again for your great feedback and your support in OpenVMS.  	 Guy Pelegs OpenVMS Engineeringr   Guy Peleg wrote:  E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to bee/ > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  >gI > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will ben& > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine andd > set break. >e9 > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail." >i > Thanks in advance, >e > Guy Pelegr > OpenVMS Engineering  > J > ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing a3 > DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will not + > necessarily result in actual product.....o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:47:27 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>.1 Subject: Documentation for $setenv system service 2 Message-ID: <BB7BE7BE.B4F4%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  @ Can anyone provide documentation for the $setenv system service?  A I have a need to update the LCD display. Is there another method?N   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:58:24 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> 5 Subject: Re: Documentation for $setenv system service 7 Message-ID: <4%w5b.12751$NF5.3153@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>t  C >> Can anyone provide documentation for the $setenv system service?   D >> I have a need to update the LCD display. Is there another method?  ( What does 'update the LCD display' mean?  J You will notice that even if you use the $setenv system service, there areG very few SRM environment variables it will let you change (for example, H IIRC, you can't even change the default boot device).  If you peruse theI source listings you can see which ones (I have forgotten, don't have themr here handy).  L Googling for a message from Hoff Hoffman here in comp.os.vms dated August 2,H 1999 will yield a C source program file that is much better for changingG random SRM environment variables.  Look for the words '$setenv hoff' ina+ group comp.os.vms.  It works for VMS 7.3-1.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:28:51 -0500% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>.5 Subject: Re: Documentation for $setenv system serviceb8 Message-ID: <3ox5b.41241$Jb1.8006@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  : Ken Randell <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> wrote in message1 news:4%w5b.12751$NF5.3153@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...uE > >> Can anyone provide documentation for the $setenv system service?  >kF > >> I have a need to update the LCD display. Is there another method? >o* > What does 'update the LCD display' mean?  A I believe that he wants to change the console parameter OCP_TEXT.h@ This changes the displayed message on ES40's and larger Alpha's.    L > You will notice that even if you use the $setenv system service, there areI > very few SRM environment variables it will let you change (for example,yJ > IIRC, you can't even change the default boot device).  If you peruse theK > source listings you can see which ones (I have forgotten, don't have themt > here handy). > K > Googling for a message from Hoff Hoffman here in comp.os.vms dated Augustd 2,J > 1999 will yield a C source program file that is much better for changingI > random SRM environment variables.  Look for the words '$setenv hoff' inm- > group comp.os.vms.  It works for VMS 7.3-1.t >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 03 07:31:44 +0200f) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: HSZTERM) Message-ID: <wm+jF9K4iyKT@elias.decus.ch>d  [ In article <3F5548DD.67C90F7A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:s > Paul Sture wrote:s >> of >> In article <3F528A11.24C84C76@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: >> > Very kind.n< >> > Is that the same (only ?) kit as David posted an URL to8 >> > in another post ? If so I can just as well download >> > from his site.b >>  E >> From the version number probably so. The files in the savesets areb> >> dated 24/26-Jul-1995 here. - written by username PARRIS :-) >>  * >> I do have the cover letter etc as well. >> i@ >> Beware, IIRC it won't let you execute commands from a command2 >> file - you need HSDSA_ALPHA.EXE (sp?) for that. >  > Careful there! > H > HSZPAD$SCSITERM *DOES* accept image data as input, and obeys CTRL+Z as > the EXIT command.o >    Well caught David.  yE > HSDSA is a hack, at best, but does work with some caveats. However,eD > HSDSA is for HSJ/HSD, not for HSZ. I have written extensive BACKUP@ > automation using HSDSA for both VAX and Alpha to split/re-join > mirror-sets. > E > HSCPAD (SET HOST/DUP) only accepts terminal class devices as input.n > C Which reminds me of SWCC too. Someone at the time seemed determinedeD to force me to do everything by hand. Fine for half a dozen disks inD the next room, but not so for a large number buried in a server room 15 minutes walk away.   G Oh, BTW, at some point I implemented SWCC because it was the officially,B supported thing. Sometime later I banned its use because it caused more problems than it solved.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:05:39 -0500  From: paul@wren.cc.kux.edu% Subject: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?r8 Message-ID: <l9iclvc9bm36mmd4u5js8lqks809j06lqm@4ax.com>  E Can I just boot to MINCONFIG and install the PCSI OS patches, and, bydB that method, keep from having to reboot repeatedly, just rebooting) when all the patches have been installed?e  
 Thank you!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:23:51 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>) Subject: Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs? 5 Message-ID: <1030903171938.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   . On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote:  G > Can I just boot to MINCONFIG and install the PCSI OS patches, and, byoD > that method, keep from having to reboot repeatedly, just rebooting+ > when all the patches have been installed?  >  > Thank you!  D I'm not sure I've *ever* had to reboot between ECO's when installingB a whole bunch that say "Reboot required".  On rare occasions, suchB as the PCSI ECO, I've had to log out and back in again.  (I alwaysB leave at least one other session or terminal logged into a priv'ed) account, in case something breaks login.)   ( Then when done, I've just rebooted once.  A (I'm assuming by "MINCONFIG" you mean booting with STARTUP_P1 set 
 to "MIN".)  / Anyone ever encountered any exceptions to this?2  B (Could be the little gray cells are fading; I just joined AARP the
 other day...)u     -- e John Santos5 Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:32:32 GMTe4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)) Subject: Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?i/ Message-ID: <4_t5b.343847$YN5.234325@sccrnsc01>   X In article <1030903171938.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:/ !On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote:i !uH !> Can I just boot to MINCONFIG and install the PCSI OS patches, and, byE !> that method, keep from having to reboot repeatedly, just rebootingo, !> when all the patches have been installed? !> b
 !> Thank you!t ! E !I'm not sure I've *ever* had to reboot between ECO's when installing C !a whole bunch that say "Reboot required".  On rare occasions, suchsC !as the PCSI ECO, I've had to log out and back in again.  (I alwaysyC !leave at least one other session or terminal logged into a priv'edi* !account, in case something breaks login.)  I I'm in agreement with John (from my own practical experience); however, I B *think* that this method is "frowned upon" by OpenVMS Engineering.   ! ) !Then when done, I've just rebooted once.r !eB !(I'm assuming by "MINCONFIG" you mean booting with STARTUP_P1 set !to "MIN".)d !t0 !Anyone ever encountered any exceptions to this? !bC !(Could be the little gray cells are fading; I just joined AARP theu !other day...)  ) Now where did I put my application???	:-)-   !- !- !--  !John Santos !Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.  !781-861-0670 ext 539o !p  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"eK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' e0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:22:52 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived2 Message-ID: <c5CdnalMiOS_I8uiU-KYvg@metrocast.net>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:ryo5b.3967$IX5.1209@news.cpqcorp.net...K > Come on.  Slow day or something?  This looks like a rehash of crap from 6a > months ago  F That's the *problem*, Fred:  the fact that Itanic sales remain just asE anemic as they've been all along.  3K systems per quarter is not onlyiL laughable but disgusting, given the products that were sacrificed on the way4 to attaining this lofty level of market penetration.  K When Intel announced that Merced was a flop before it even hit the streets, J Itanic fanboys chorused "Just wait for McKinley!"  When McKinley failed toG stir any greater market interest, they shouted "Just wait for Madison!"eF What's Itanic waiting for *now* that will - oh, so incontrovertibly! -J demonstrate its manifest destiny (or, as Bullwinkle remarked with unabatedI confidence after repeated failures to pull a rabbit out of his hat, "This < time for sure!")?  Montecito?  Tanglewood?  The Tooth Fairy?   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:56:35 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP/ Message-ID: <00A255DD.F16BEA14.5@tachysoft.com>.  * Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:   >tE >I'm sorry that the website isn't clear about internet access to the iI >systems.  When we receive a request, we set up an Alpha system with the  J >cross tools and an Itanium system.  The partner gets exclusive access to F >them, privs., and you may use FTP and TELNET after sending us the IP C >address that you will be coming from.  Both the AMTCs in Reading, sI >England and Littleton, Mass. support Internet access as well as on-site f >visits. >s    K What kind of hardware will be available on these systems?  I do developmentnM for Software Partners, who specialises in storage management products.  So tocM fully port TAPESYS and the other SP products, I will need disks, tape drives,lI and jukeboxes for testing.  If internet access is used, will operators be8 available for mounting tapes?4   Wayne O ===============================================================================nN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   -O ===============================================================================eN Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2003 13:29:06 -0700 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) , Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0309031229.5ca0adf9@posting.google.com>e   -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan  + Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:23 PM  To: Skonetski, Susan, Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise Printing  4 Now for an OpenVMS Pearl that is a little different.  A We have a large enterprise manufacturing customer in the mid-west E United States, who uses VMS and part of the use is for printing.  AndlD they really do print, not just a little printing - a LOT of printingD for example:  Approximately 90% of the ink used by this manufacturerB is printed by a VMS based application.   This is a total of over 4? million pages a year at 50% ink density for this mostly graphic-F printing.  This customer usually replaces their printers every 3 yearsA and they use 2 liters of toner every day 6 days a week 52 weeks ab year. .$  F Reminder, please feel free to send an OpenVMS Pearl in, OpenVMS Pearls can be HP only or external use.h  
 Warm Regards,u Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:33:38 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing) Message-ID: <3F565E19.AD8D9E6A@istop.com>l   Sue Skonetski wrote:F > for example:  Approximately 90% of the ink used by this manufacturer( > is printed by a VMS based application.    J Sue, it woudl be interesting to have more information about this. Does theN application just generate postscript that is then sent to the laser printers ?> or is this a true printing with lithographic process etc etc ?  H What software on the VMS side is used to support the printing ? just theM normal VMS print queues ? DCPS, or do they have proprietary system to captureDN output to file and then copy the files over the net to the high end printers ?   etc etc etcr   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Training comes home@ Message-ID: <20030903234137.59438.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>   Well  / May be HP should give Oracle RDB courses too !  - We are planning to have an in-house course in 0 Brazil ! Depending on negotiations of schedudle,4 place and number of students ! May be I will assist.1 But the other OVMS courses I am over ! I think I s- never will have an Internal classes in .BR !       Regards- FC a6 --- Sue Skonetski <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:+ > http://education.hp.com/email/openvms.htm@ > & >  if you need a pdf just let me know. >  > Warm Regards,e > SueD5 > ___________________________________________________d >  HP OpenVMS Training > A > HP OpenVMS couples unparalleled functionality with the enhancedsF > performance and reliability your applications demand. HP OpenVMS hasH > been a mainstay for over 25 years in environments that require robust,C > resilient computing, serving the 10 million users who rely on its C > great scalability, ease of management, proven disaster tolerance,n1 > extreme availability and extensive performance.  > D > HP is committed to providing a comprehensive training solution forF > today's IT business environment. As part of this ongoing initiative,E > HP is pleased to announce that HP OpenVMS training is now delivered H > through HP's dedicated training organization - education services. TheF > courses have been redesigned and their content rewritten and refined? > to create a job-role-focused curriculum for HP OpenVMS SystemoF > Managers. This new suite of training solutions will provide a stableG > environment to learn exactly what you want, exactly when you want it.  > E > Courses cover a wide range of competencies, so there is one to suit C > everyone. Courses range from basic core information and essentialnG > skills for people new to the system to a highly technical examinationeC > of the features of HP OpenVMS v7.3 and how they impact the systemu9 > manager's daily operations and monitoring capabilities.t >    >    >  o! >      The Importance of Trainingi > A > Training continues to have a huge impact on today's IT businesssG > environment, and HP's education services can play a significant role. C > Quality IT training provides employees with the necessary skills,sE > information and resources to empower them in their chosen position., > B > Building staff skills is one of the most effective ways to boostE > productivity, manage change and build employee confidence, enablingsF > them to make better decisions which, in turn, boost the return on IT
 > investment.  >    >  >  r >    >       9 > The future of HP OpenVMS - the Intel Itanium platformo > G > HP has maintained its commitment to continually improve and evolve HPeH > OpenVMS. One such evolution was the transition, 10 years ago, from VAXH > to Alpha. We are now in the process of moving HP OpenVMS from Alpha toD > the cost-effective, industry-standard Itanium architecture. And inG > fact we have already booted it on Itanium architecture-based systems.. > B > When the port to the Intel Itanium architecture is completed, HPF > OpenVMS customers will have a choice of staying with the AlphaServerA > platform for many more years or moving to the industry-standardeH > Itanium platform. HP is working closely with industry leading softwareD > vendors like Oracle, BEA, BMC Software and Computer Associates, toB > name just a few, to port HP OpenVMS environments and applicationF > portfolios to Itanium-based enterprise systems. The vast majority of> > HP OpenVMS ISV partners have already committed to port their9 > applications to HP OpenVMS on the Itanium architecture.  >      >  >    >  n >        >     Why choose HP? o > C > HP offers an industry-leading IT training portfolio with flexibledE > scheduling, over 200 different instructor-led courses and more thanbB > 3,000 online courses, so you choose the desired level of detail,B > timelines and local languages. Now the HP OpenVMS system managerF > curriculum has been redesigned and rewritten to be job-role-focused,G > HP's education services experts can easily customize standard courseso= > based on exactly what knowledge and skill you need to gain.n > E > Our blended approach to learning through a combination of classroompH > and online courses provides the maximum effectiveness and flexibility.@ > HP's education services can be tailored to your exact trainingC > requirements. We can bring in an HP OpenVMS expert to help you toeG > determine exactly what you need either on your premises or at one our< > dedicated training centers.e > ? > There are more than 120 training centers worldwide as well astA > e-learning on the award-winning IT Resource Centre, a 'learningeH > community' with extensive ondemand resources that can be accessed 24x7H > wherever there is an internet connection. With this in place, HP is inC > the ideal position to provide HP OpenVMS training to thousands of0 > employees all over the world.e > D > Whether you need a half-day refresher course or a 10-day intensiveE > technical course, with over 25 years of experience and over 200,000tG > people trained every year, we have the breadth, depth and flexibilitytC > to ensure you get the right HP OpenVMS training solution for youre
 > business     =====n ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilg fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwares http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:38:46 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: OSU web server mailing list) Message-ID: <3F56B39F.FDCB6EF2@istop.com>i  M I have been trying unsuccesfully to sign up to the OSU mailing list for a fewoM months now. When i changed email address, I was succesful in removing the oldlK address, but the new address just gets a "your request for subscription has , been sent to the list manager for approval".  J I have sent emails to the list owner (Javier Henderson (with a CC to DavidL Jones) as listed in the last messages I had gotten from the OSU mailing listK (the RFC headers had extra X-mumble lines describing list management stuff) > and went to the web site, but I got no response and no action.  K Just wondering if I am being diplomatically told to get lost and others canwA still sign up to the list or whether there is some real problem ?    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:38:35 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)TR Subject: Re: overhead with host-based volume shadowing for a one-member shadow-set( Message-ID: <bj5jgb$h8j$1@pcls4.std.com>  3 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:'  } >helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<bi8jo1$pss$1@online.de>...hG >> My mid-term goal is to have every logical disk be a two-membered (orlG >> even three-membered) shadow set.  To make things easier when working L >> Also, I now mount all disks on all nodes, even if these disks are rarely I >> accessed from a node other than the one they are connected to via the  H >> SCSI bus (for example, system disks).  It can be convenient, though, J >> for example when running a procedure to show information about all the F >> disks.  Again, how much additional overhead is this (i.e. the MSCP  >> serving).  @ >When there's no actual I/O going on, as I recall, about all theG >overhead you get is an MSCP Get Unit Status message exchange from eacheC >node to each MSCP-serving node about every 15 seconds.  I wouldn'tp >worry about it.  B You'll see MSCP Get Unit Status commands from every MSCP client toA every MSCP server regardless of whether disks are mounted or not.t -- T -Mike    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:36:23 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>- Subject: Re: Patching Ident field of an Imagee$ Message-ID: <3f5650d1$1@news.si.com>  # >Perhaps this is a better solution.i@ >I'll check on displaying the "Image File Build Identification".E >Do you have any hints on how I get this information written into theo' >image header without having to relink?e  L In a secure environment, why would I trust an image that gets modified after linking? -- BI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com45 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.nD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991r8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:08:15 GMTt# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)i- Subject: Re: Patching Ident field of an Imagen2 Message-ID: <3Ls5b.3993$vl6.2965@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <79de16e3.0308280353.2a9033d@posting.google.com>, Anders.Wallin@om.com (Anders Wallin) writes:t   ..  G :1) System builds are performed as daily builds using MMS. Only changedoF :   code gets built. It would take quite some time to build everything? :   from scratch. No real build number available in that sense.   D   I'd investigate shareable images and such, if that has not already0   been done.  Shareables can reduce link time.    D   As for performance, OpenVMS Engineering performs a complete sourceE   build of all of OpenVMS in about five hours -- we can conduct threeSH   overlapping full system builds per overnight, when builds are running.G   (Put another way, your system or storage hardware is apparently slow,cG   or there are performance constraints or single-threaded-nesses here.)e  I :3) Just prior to creating kits a snapshot of the release class is taken, G :   containing the code base for what has been built and is going to bes :   delivered.  E   I'd tend to do a full build at the time of release, since there canRE   be some interesting interactions between compiler versions and the  B   resulting code -- within OpenVMS Engineering, we keep a suite of?   compilers and tools for each release, so we have a reasonable,C   likelyhood of being able to replicate the results of a particularRC   OpenVMS system build.  With a full build, you know what went into.B   the release, and you can detect stale code and any dependencies /   that the MMS build scripts might have missed.g  D :4) Kits get names reflecting release and the snapshot class in CMS.  C   We use and we increment a build numbers each time we run a system    build.  F :5) It would be valuable to stamp the ident field with the name of theG :   snapshot class. The Ident field appears in production logs when the)H :   programs are executed. This would make it simpler tracing the source0 :   code belonging to program producing the log.  E   Um, since something is reading the linker IDENTIFICATION field fromgG   ANALYZE/IMAGE output or from some undocumented and more direct accesshG   into the image headers, why not approach this problem differently andRE   log something else that is more accessable and more useful and moretH   likely to function across releases and architectures?  (You're focusedG   at the image headers, of course.  But since you have control over the H   code involved, your images can report their own version information --F   and can even have an easily-patchable address within the image, or aD   stub data file that is maintained for just this purpose, or a data   file that maps this stuff.)s  9   To borrow the saying, why dig the current hole deeper? u  G   Or create a local data file and tools which determine what images arenH   present, and what image versions are current for a particular release.3   (Computers are good at such drudgery, after all.)m  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqkN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.coms   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:43:43 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>B Subject: Re: PC-NFS on OpenVMS how does it assign the UID/GID pair$ Message-ID: <3f565289$1@news.si.com>  E >I am trying to set up my OpenVMS system with TCPIP service v5.3 witht5 >PC-NFS to assign the UID/GID pairs to my PC clients.l   See TCPIP HELP ADD PROXY -- lI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot como5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.hD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991f8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2003 17:56:39 GMTr( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates2 Message-ID: <bj5a0n$184v$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  G In article <bj4dh7$o5j$2@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:u8 >I know since I've been using this EDLIN on this system.  H Back around 1982 I ported the Software Tools toolkit to RSX-11, startingI by hand-compiling the Ratfor source for Ratfor and Macro to Fortran, then-I entering and modifying the rest of the Ratfor source for my idiosyncratich Ratfor variant.J  H Since then I haven't used anything less than my enhanced ed (QED) on anyE computer. The editor I used 20 years ago when I ported it from Ratfor>D to Aztec C was basically a line-oriented TECO with "carriage return"D instead of "escape". Two returns to end an insert or change. ChangesE shorter than a line were done by substitutes, with (I think) a returntB between the two bits of text. I'm damned if I can recall the name, or any of the commands.d  E The main thing was that it was a tape editor. If the file was too big.D to fit in the buffer you paged through it, and going back beyond theC beginning of the buffer was painful because it had to copy the restiG of the file and then rewind. On floppies. REALLY encouraged small (less  than about 45k) files.   -- hH Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	 29.6852N 95.5770W                       WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:33:17 +0200u9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>w Subject: Re: RdB on EVA ?t' Message-ID: <3F5633ED.77449B4D@aaa.com>s  : The minimum requirement must be that a *single* disk crashF must *not* crash *both* your primaly data file(s) *and* the AIJ files.  2 No matter *what* disk/storage subsystem is in use.  	 Jan-Erik.4     jlsue wrote: > M > On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:26:54 GMT, "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>e > wrote: > N > >I posted on this a couple of months ago and got some excellent, but varyingO > >opinions.  In the end, we went with two separate disk groups, one for the DBe > >and one for the journals. > H > This can go either way, depending on your paranoia level.  At the veryI > least, I'd go with a separate lun - not for performance (since they alloE > LUNs in a disk group use the same spindles), but for LUN corruptionl2 > problems (re-initializing, deleting *.*;*, etc). > L > If you're more paranoid, create a second disk group (smaller) for logs and' > create those LUNs from the 2nd group.m > K > And if you're REALLY paranoid, buy another storage subsystem and put LUNs  > for logs there.a >  > >t@ > >"Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> wrote in message% > >news:3f550e5c$1@news.wineasy.se...e< > >> Does any one have experience of running RdB on an EVA ?N > >> AFAIK Oracle recommend having journalling files on a separate volume. How > >is  > >> this done on an EVA ?
 > >> /Lars > >> > >> > >z   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:40:01 +0200e From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: RdB on EVA ?a2 Message-ID: <bj5jn4$js5$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Lars Holmstrm wrote:r9 > Does any one have experience of running RdB on an EVA ?aN > AFAIK Oracle recommend having journalling files on a separate volume. How is > this done on an EVA ?a > /Lars. >  > P In general it is recommended to put files with mainly random access on one disk D group, and mainly sequentially accessed files on another disk group.  , Within the disk groups you define your luns.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:59:21 -0400" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> Subject: Re: RdB on EVA ?o- Message-ID: <bj5jm1$vu4@library2.airnews.net>b  L     Two distinct groups is always a good idea... we actually software volumeB shadow the aij files between two EVA systems for added protection.    : "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in message2 news:iza5b.42368$7G2.16270@twister.nyroc.rr.com...E > I posted on this a couple of months ago and got some excellent, buta varyingaK > opinions.  In the end, we went with two separate disk groups, one for thei DB > and one for the journals.  >  > -Jeffn >t? > "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> wrote in messagem$ > news:3f550e5c$1@news.wineasy.se...; > > Does any one have experience of running RdB on an EVA ? I > > AFAIK Oracle recommend having journalling files on a separate volume.s How  > is > > this done on an EVA ?o	 > > /Larsm > >n > >  >n >o   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:45:05 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: RdB on EVA ?n@ Message-ID: <20030903234505.33136.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  5 Is not time to port ORacle RDB from Tru64 to Linux ? k. I think there was a version of RDB for Unix !    Regardst   FC s# --- Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:I > Lars Holmstrm wrote:m; > > Does any one have experience of running RdB on an EVA ?eM > > AFAIK Oracle recommend having journalling files on a separate volume. Howe > is > > this done on an EVA ? 	 > > /Lars  > >  > > L > In general it is recommended to put files with mainly random access on one > disk eF > group, and mainly sequentially accessed files on another disk group. > . > Within the disk groups you define your luns. >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilD fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwared http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 03 07:56:13 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e@ Subject: Re: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available) Message-ID: <iGBTrejU6$PT@elias.decus.ch>   g In article <3F55D5AC.FCCEAC65@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:a >  >  > Paul Sture wrote:T >> s >  l >> tG >> But it's even worse than that in this case. We do have PowerPlonk att7 >> work, but this particular file gives something like:l >> lG >> "This was created using a later version of PowerPoint than you have.n$ >> Download converter from the web?" >> tO >> I answer "No" (we are forbidden to download software from the web, and don'taA >> have the privilege to install it either), and it then pops up:  >> n >> "Cannot open this file" >> c >> Totally bloody useless. >>   >  eN > Depends on your perspective. If you then proceed to request that you require= > an upgrade to the application, Microsoft make another sale.s >  > sigh >   G Sigh indeed. At a time when everyone is under pressure to cut costs andb3 avoid frivolous spending, it does not go down well.d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:48:46 -0500% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>e0 Subject: Re: Running app on each node in cluster9 Message-ID: <%yy5b.41300$Jb1.34483@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   F Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:A14jL$pbxJeW@eisner.encompasserve.org...t? > In article <f7a73cb1.0308290950.7d2bd9f0@posting.google.com>,-- c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham) writes:0D > > How would I start a process on each node in the cluster. LayeredF > > product is installed on cluster system disk, and is running on oneG > > node, but will not start on second node, any ideas how to get it toe
 > > start? >cE >   Follow the detailed instructions in the product's install manual.N >   G Depending on the product, License, and Alphaserver...  You may not havemB enough license units to start that product on all clustered nodes.  K Ex. Shadowing License.  If you have a cluster with a DS10, ES40, and GSxxxxgL in it, you will need a different amount of units to run this layered productJ on each node in the cluster.  If you purchased enough units for the GSxxxxL system to run the product by itself, and you have the DS10 ad ES40 take someJ of those units, you will now be unable to have the GSxxxx run this layered product.  J Hopefully you have MOD_UNITS on your applications license.  Try increasing. the units on the license for your layered app.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:04:01 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)d Subject: Re: Serial consolel( Message-ID: <bj5ogh$24h$1@pcls4.std.com>  ; "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:h    H >The controller letter depends on the bus order.  Apparently the ISA busJ >devices are enumerated first.  The device still shows up because you haveM >not removed the ISA entry (if it's an EISA bus, the EISA config utility.  If D >it's ISA, normally the ISACFG console command, or the hardwired ISA >configuration file).n  H Yes it's still in the ISACFG console command, just with enable=no.  Left@ it that way in case I wanted to reinstall it, which I never did.  A Didn't realize ISA devices were enabled first nor that a disableds0 device would have its controller letter skipped.     -- p -Mikea   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:29:44 -0400h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: SMTP and DECnet maili) Message-ID: <3F56330B.4043320A@istop.com>s  & I know it is possible to send mail to:   "pastry::chef"@chocolate.com  L With node "cake" acting as SMTP server for chocolate.com, cake's SMTP serverE would then use DECNET mail to deliver it to user chef on node pastry.e  . What I would like to do is to be able to have:  N chef@pastry.chocolate.com  being received by "cake" (acting for chocolate.com)9 and then have the smtp server deliver it to pastry::chef.e  G Is this possible with the DEC supplied TCPIP Services 5.3 SMTP server ?e  L (one reason for this is that I would have "pastry" defined as a logical nameI pointing to an object other than "MAIL" to run a mail-emabled applicationr, and/or gateway to other type of mail system.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:53:29 -0400* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250* Message-ID: <3f566301@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>>; wrote in message news:bj4pcl$t5l$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...>3 > Are you saying that you don't have this already !  >>H > Doesn't that make the OpenVMS/platform qualification process one which3 > is highly variable and fraught with uncertainty ?  >tJ > You rely on folklore to qualify current OpenVMS platforms, sounds highly > unlikely.w  D We have some extremely bright and intelligent people involved in theH qualification of OpenVMS on new hardware platforms.  Unfortunately,  the@ process and tools used in the qualification are not packaged andI sufficiently documented for someone outside of the VMS development group.e     Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Companye! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14S 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698a$ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:24:25 -0400s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250) Message-ID: <3F56780A.C1C96AD7@istop.com>    "Paul A. Jacobi" wrote: J > qualification of OpenVMS on new hardware platforms.  Unfortunately,  theB > process and tools used in the qualification are not packaged andK > sufficiently documented for someone outside of the VMS development group.e  K I thought, based on the "first boot of VMS on IA64" contest, that the whole-I qualification consisted of just booting sufficiently to issue a DIRectory 
 command ?   / :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)3   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.489 ************************