1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 490       Contents:M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal  Re: ANN:SMPP API under OpenVMS$ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?, Re: Documentation for $setenv system service  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?% Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived 9 Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP 9 Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP 9 Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP ' Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing  Re: OSU web server mailing list $ Re: Patching Ident field of an Image Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  PWS 500 question Re: PWS 500 question Re: PWS 500 question Re: read on socket returns zero  Recommended replacements Re: Recommended replacements Re: SMTP and DECnet mail Re: SMTP and DECnet mail8 Re: two more VMS Technical Update Days in Europe in Sept8 Re: two more VMS Technical Update Days in Europe in Sept, UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?0 Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?0 Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?0 Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?0 Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?9 What's the practical effect of DECW$LOGINMANY being TRUE?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 03 08:05:59 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal) Message-ID: <VsD1p72y2es$@elias.decus.ch>   q In article <UFvHIFwq24GO@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: W > In article <eOYzs6GZqm5j@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  >>  H >> The last option in theory offers me the option of launching a DECtermL >> window on the Mac, but I haven't figured out how to get this working yet, >> getting:  >>  3 >> $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac  >> $ mc decw$clock* >> XIO:  unable to open connection _WSA22:F >>       after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.& >> X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display( >> %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204 > F >    Are you running an X server on your Mac?  The Mac OS X GUI is not7 >    X11.   Also check to see that permissions are set.  >   E Yes. I have got as far as running OpenOffice on the Mac, so from that ' deduce that the server part is running.   9 I have yet to fathom out where I can set the permissions.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 03 09:06:56 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal) Message-ID: <4Ctbk0Qrn3Ed@elias.decus.ch>   \ In article <030920032053246189%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes:E > In article <e5udnQS8-4COnMuiRTvUpQ@speakeasy.net>, Matthew Russotto ' > <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:  > 6 >> In article <9+bYy$yTXlCs@eisner.encompasserve.org>,1 >> Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  > A >> >But it is a shame Apple could not get it right with Terminal.  >>  I >> Terminal has delete sending delete by default.  F1-F4 send the PF1-PF4 2 >> keys.  F5-F11 send F5-F11.  What's the problem? > D > On top of Larry's lament, how do you get F16-F20 on a Powerbook in > terminal? 5 > Not to mention find insert remove prev next select? & > Xterm is a bit better, but not much.  E So far in this discussion I have not paid much attention to Powerbook H key layouts, since I have an iBook. Can someone tell me if the keyboards are roughly equivalent please?   > . > ps. It's nice to see so many Mac+VMS people.  ) It's been a pleasant surprise for me too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:48:15 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: ANN:SMPP API under OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <3F575EBE.6DDCC66E@istop.com>    Valentin Likoum wrote:: >    It depends on what do you mean "efficient". You could= > acquire GSM module, say Siemens TC35, plug it into COM port = > on your VAX (or port on terminal server), put SIM-card into ; > it and voi-la - your VAX is able to communicate with SMSC " > without bothering SMS providers.  L But that requires a subscription with the GSM provider, and here, they don'tL offer special low rate  subscriptions for SMS only. But it is nevertheless aI good idea. Will have to find out if any of the manufacturers produce such 2 gizmos for 1900mhz which is used in north america.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:43:54 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> - Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file ; Message-ID: <01L09NHE98K2AOOLBD@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   L > > Suppose I now copy a higher-level directory [...] which contains A and BI > > to, say, another disk.  If I do an IMAGE backup, then I can have B as D > > the alias entry for A, or I have DOUBLE COPIES OF ALL THE FILES,E > > depending on /ALIAS or /NOALIAS.  However, if I DON'T do an image K > > backup, the only option is to have all the files duplicated, or I have  J > > to just copy one of the directories and do the SET FILE/ENTER by hand 
 > > again. > ' > What is the advantage to using ALIAS? H > I am an old horse familiar with using OpenVMS symbols or logical namesD > as short cuts to files, and to use a logical name for a "Directory= > list" that includes multiple directories or multiple disks. G > So far, using an ALIAS sounds very difficult to manage and may create  > undesirable backup save sets.  > E > Can someone from H.P. chime in with "good practices", "avoid at all ) > costs", and a reasonable use for ALIAS? > > So far I am glad users and I have not yet used that feature.  . Well, DISK:[SYSn]SYSCOMMON.DIR is an alias forF DISK:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR.  (Actually, since both of these occur in D logicals defined as search lists, I've never understood why this is D necessary; perhaps it goes back to the very old days of VMS, before & search-list logicals were implemented?  I I think the most common use of it is to allow a directory to be accessed  G by more than one name since some NEW application requires this, but it  G would be too much trouble to rewrite OLD applications to be compatible.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:17:48 +0200+ From: "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> ' Subject: Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped : Message-ID: <Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-HDGo2V6mRbzB@news.xs4all.nl>  D On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:17:14 UTC, Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.com>  wrote:  : } I exercise the disk a bit, and get no errors.  I perform2 } an ANALYZE/DISK and unlike the report on the Vax4 } I get no errors.  Now I'm stumped.  To make things5 } even stranger, after mounting the old Vax data disk 0 } on the Alpha and again performing ANALYZE/DISK5 } I get no errors, unlike the Vax.  So now I'm doubly 4 } stumped.  I even created some files on both disks, } and still no errors.  B So the problem appears to be with the VAX, not the disk. So, SCSI B controller or SCSI bus, most likely. The data disk on your VAX is E external: disconnect it, put a terminator on, then do a minimal boot  0 of the VAX, and run ANA/DISK on the system disk.  8 } I find it hard to believe that both disks would go bad7 } within a few days of each other.  By the way, the old 7 } data disk was an external disk, with a separate power 	 } supply.  } ( } Can anyone make any sense out of this?  D Yes. But then one of the courses DEC once sent me on was Analytical  Troubleshooting.   4 } Question...  Can I perform on the Alpha, an image 3 } copy of my Vax system disk to a new disk and then # } boot the Vax from this new disk,    F Sure. You can even, with two _identical_ disks, use an unix system to < dd the entire (raw) source disk to the target (roughly like  BACKUP/PHYSICAL would).    --  > // Rik Steenwinkel  #  VMS mercenary  #  Enschede, Netherlands // 1024D/CDBAE5C1    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:40:53 GMT 0 From: Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com>' Subject: Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped 8 Message-ID: <8umelvssj7k4vr1u2jrjdo05iljnpothgm@4ax.com>  : I forgot to say that before I started moving disks over to4 my Alpha, I disconnected the SCSI cables on the Vax,2 blew out the dust and reconnected them, and double0 checked them for tightness.  This resulted in no change in behavior.   1 I also created a Standalone Backup on my new data 1 disk, booted from it, and made an image backup to 3 tape of the system disk.  No errors reported.  Also % before moving the disks to the Alpha.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:08:57 +0200+ From: "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> ' Subject: Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped : Message-ID: <Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-LppYt2dtu3FK@news.xs4all.nl>  , On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:40:53 UTC, Randy Park & <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote:  < } I forgot to say that before I started moving disks over to6 } my Alpha, I disconnected the SCSI cables on the Vax,4 } blew out the dust and reconnected them, and double2 } checked them for tightness.  This resulted in no } change in behavior.   D Yes, but how about (temporarily) disconnecting the external storage F box altogether? There are several types of error it can introduce thatD may have remained below a certain threshhold before, like data line  noise.   --  > // Rik Steenwinkel  #  VMS mercenary  #  Enschede, Netherlands // 1024D/CDBAE5C1    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 07:22:17 GMT / From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-WDH5BZOncdls@localhost>   / On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:11:05 UTC, Mark Berryman  # <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote:    > Guy Peleg wrote:G > > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be 1 > > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  > > K > > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be ( > > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedK > > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and  > > set break.  D First let me add my YES vote. It feels like it was only on Monday I F was thinking 'I only..' In fact it was a month ago. Funny how vacation4 days slip from the mind when you get back to work...  J > There were some features in the RSX command interpreter that never made J > made it into VMS that would be very useful.  Unfortunately, it has been    One that I missed was   
 	@proc/del  D It made it much simpler to Create, Execute and Delete procedures on E the fly. Particularly useful when creating input files for compilers  D or images where symbol substitution is required. i.e. do the symbol F substution when creating the new command file and then execute/delete F it. Obviously the /DEL qualifier only gets added when one is confident' that the generated code is correct  :-)     --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2003 23:30:30 -0700 % From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? = Message-ID: <a98cd882.0309032230.5bd72991@posting.google.com>   F I believe that a DCL debugging facility could be very helpful when youD want to find out what those old, badly documented and badly written,F command files actually do. Of course the original author is nowhere to, be found if his/her name is even documented!   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn   P Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3F55DAA1.A38E175A@hp.com>...E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be / > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  > I > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be & > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and  > set break. > 9 > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Guy Peleg  > OpenVMS Engineering  > J > ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing a3 > DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will not + > necessarily result in actual product.....    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:04:32 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 0 Message-ID: <00A2563B.4237173C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  K In article <3F56C93A.543DDB89@hp.com>, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> writes: ! >Thank you all for your feedback. I >I didn't answer every response but I added every request published to my  >wish list.  > J >It looks that most people would find DCL debugger useful. This won't be a
 >priority one ( >project but more of a midnight project. > I >We currently thinking about "user written lexical functions". We haven't " >figured it out completely but theK >idea would be to develop a lexical function that will call a user supplied # >routine and possibly supply a list M >of parameters. I would like  to allow calling Java applets as well.  This is  >still in the VERY earlyD >stages of development, more on this probably within a month or two. > K >Other things that are being considered are lexical functions with multiple  >item codes and 64bit  >support in symbols. > K >Once the WHILE feature is ready I'll post another message asking for field  >test candidates.  > J >Last but not least please look at this as a looking forward statement and >not a firm commitment.  > E >Thank you again for your great feedback and your support in OpenVMS.  > 
 >Guy Peleg >OpenVMS Engineering  * Oh well, two more projects to shelve away.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:26:05 +0200+ From: "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? : Message-ID: <Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-TqhEQQVQLJUQ@news.xs4all.nl>  F On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:29:46 UTC, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>  wrote:  H } OTOH, I don't see the point for FOR and WHILE or UNTIL loops, that canK } easily be made with GOTOs, as DCL should not be considered a language for H } creating real applications and thus does not absolutely need all those
 } constructs.   E They're not necessary, but still they're nice to have and they would  / probably clarify quite a few DCL command files.   
 Instead of     $ counter = 1 	   $ loop:    $   do_something   $   counter = counter + 1 *   $   if counter .le. final then goto loop   $ do_some_more   I'd rather write       $ counter = 0 
   $ repeat   $   counter = counter + 1    $   do_something   $ until counter .ge. final   $ do_some_more  E especially when dealing with nested loops that again have conditions  E in them, thus keeping the if-statements for different code flow, and  5 the repeat/until or while/do for the actual looping.    @ About a for-construct: lexicals such as f$element, f$search and , f$getqui pretty much suggest something like   !   $ foreach (file = f$search() )  
   $    ...   $ endforeach  7 (syntax made up on the spur of the moment; don't shoot)   D but because of the assignment of the lexical to a variable, and the F implicit testing of the returned value being empty that could get ugly fast.    --  > // Rik Steenwinkel  #  VMS mercenary  #  Enschede, Netherlands // 1024D/CDBAE5C1    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:12:03 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 2 Message-ID: <n_F5b.4015$qY6.3404@news.cpqcorp.net>  S In article <vlcmtrs0k0e72f@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: $ >Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote:: >: Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail. >  >How about a syntax checker?  % Have you tried my freeware DCL_CHECK? " Email me for most up-to-date copy.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:01:55 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 9 Message-ID: <bj7cj8$fersp$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   ' On 2003-09-03 14:12, "Guy Peleg" wrote:   E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be / > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  >  > [...]   A Just another idea for new features: Access to the system services E $BINTIM and $ASCTIM via lexical functions F$BINTIM and F$ASCTIM. That F would it make possible to read/write data records with dates stored as
 64bit fields.    Example: READ file record- datetime_bin_1 = F$EXTRACT(offset, 8, record) ) datetime_asc_1 = F$ASCTIM(datetime_bin_1)  ... # datetime_asc_2 = [... whatever ...] ) datetime_bin_2 = F$BINTIM(datetime_asc_2)  record = [... whatever ...]  WRITE /UPDATE file record    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:53:20 -07001 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com> ' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? @ Message-ID: <37A773ADDA84D711A42700B0D0FC529C033B3C@NYEXCHANGE2>  L While you're on the subject , how about floating point support so you can do
 real math?   Mike Farrell    -----Original Message----- + From: 	Guy Peleg [mailto:guy.peleg@hp.com]  * Sent:	Thursday, September 04, 2003 1:11 AM To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject:	Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?     Thank you all for your feedback.H I didn't answer every response but I added every request published to my
 wish list.  I It looks that most people would find DCL debugger useful. This won't be a  priority one' project but more of a midnight project.   H We currently thinking about "user written lexical functions". We haven't! figured it out completely but the J idea would be to develop a lexical function that will call a user supplied" routine and possibly supply a listL of parameters. I would like  to allow calling Java applets as well.  This is still in the VERY early C stages of development, more on this probably within a month or two.   J Other things that are being considered are lexical functions with multiple item codes and 64bit support in symbols.   J Once the WHILE feature is ready I'll post another message asking for field test candidates.  I Last but not least please look at this as a looking forward statement and  not a firm commitment.  D Thank you again for your great feedback and your support in OpenVMS.  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering    Guy Peleg wrote:  E > The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be / > added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  > I > We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be & > useful. It won't be as sophisticatedI > as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and  > set break. > 9 > Please post a reply with your comments or send me mail.  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Guy Peleg  > OpenVMS Engineering  > J > ** Please note that this note is no commitment for actually developing a3 > DCL debugger, this is only a survey that will not + > necessarily result in actual product.....    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:04:41 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ) Message-ID: <3F57386A.5171185A@Omond.net>    Ken Robinson wrote:    > [...snip...]  ' > Or to use the syntax from C or PHP...  > K > $  for (counter=0;counter .le. final;counter++) ! var++ is the syntax for 5 > adding 1 a variable, this would have to be added...  > $       do some code > $       endfor   *** SCREAM ***   No, no, no, no ...  A Please do not foist this abberation on something as clean as VMS.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:48:40 GMT + From: Ken Robinson <sendspamhere@rbnsn.com> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? @ Message-ID: <aaf3021892e892ee1b15b3c820a6571d@news.teranews.com>  . "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> wrote in3 news:Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-TqhEQQVQLJUQ@news.xs4all.nl:    H > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:29:46 UTC, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>  > wrote: > F > } OTOH, I don't see the point for FOR and WHILE or UNTIL loops, thatD > can } easily be made with GOTOs, as DCL should not be considered aH > language for } creating real applications and thus does not absolutely > need all those } constructs. > G > They're not necessary, but still they're nice to have and they would  1 > probably clarify quite a few DCL command files.  >  > Instead of >  >   $ counter = 1  >   $ loop:  >   $   do_something >   $   counter = counter + 1 , >   $   if counter .le. final then goto loop >   $ do_some_more >  > I'd rather write   >  >   $ counter = 0  >   $ repeat >   $   counter = counter + 1  >   $   do_something >   $ until counter .ge. final >   $ do_some_more >   % Or to use the syntax from C or PHP...   J $  for (counter=0;counter .le. final;counter++) ! var++ is the syntax for 3 adding 1 a variable, this would have to be added...  $    	do some code $    	endfor     Ken RobinsonC kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com    <--- this time I got it right! :-)    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:26 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? . Message-ID: <bj7i0m$efn$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> writes in article <3f562eb9$1@cpns1.saic.com> dated Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:11:05 -0700: G >   o If line-editing across a line-wrap can't be fixed in the terminal $ >     driver, work around it in DCL.  ? I second that!  Unix and Linux "bash" shells have it already.     + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 10:22:03 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? 3 Message-ID: <hS12wQ+sb9rL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <bj5ll1$1m9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, Alan <alan@nospam.com> writes:  >  > ; > How about... Making the OpenVMS FTP server work correctly < > with all the other OS browsers, such as Microsoft IE, and 5 > Linux browsers (Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, etc...).   ;    I don't see how any piece of software can be expected to 8    compensate for all the bugs in all the other software<    out there, including a large number which ignore the RFP.  8    The bugs are in IE et. al., and they should be fixed.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 10:29:44 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 3 Message-ID: <G1mjZK1CTgSR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <3F56C93A.543DDB89@hp.com>, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> writes: " > Thank you all for your feedback.J > I didn't answer every response but I added every request published to my > wish list. >   -    As long as you're working in the CLI area:   ?    A generic CLI which would call a user supplied unprivileged  F    UNIX-style shell (provided it's on a list approved by a privileged E    user).  Then document it.  That would make it a lot easier for VMS E    Engineering and the rest of us to port shells to VMS.  The current @    need to use the undocumented CLI interface is too cumbersome.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:46:11 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEHIHOAA.tom@kednos.com>    HGFTP seems to work just fine.   >-----Original Message----- C >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] + >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:22 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? >  > ; >In article <bj5ll1$1m9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, Alan   ><alan@nospam.com> writes: >>   >>  < >> How about... Making the OpenVMS FTP server work correctly= >> with all the other OS browsers, such as Microsoft IE, and  6 >> Linux browsers (Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, etc...). > < >   I don't see how any piece of software can be expected to9 >   compensate for all the bugs in all the other software = >   out there, including a large number which ignore the RFP.  > 9 >   The bugs are in IE et. al., and they should be fixed.  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:45:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ) Message-ID: <3F575E2A.D680022C@istop.com>    Guy Peleg wrote:? > We currently thinking about "user written lexical functions".   < <font size=2000, style=(hyper-bold, blinking, reverse_video) YES  </font>   L Another thing that would be neat is the ability to build the equivalent of aM shareable image in a library file. In the above case, you'd have a .elb  file I (executable library) containing the user written lexical functions, which + would make it easy to add/remove functions.   N This way, you could pickup a lexical function from a trusted source and easilyK install it on your system without having to recompile and relink everything / else into a single traditional shareable image.   L > Other things that are being considered are lexical functions with multiple > item codes and 64bit > support in symbols.   K Any thought about supporting floating point symbols and arithmetic in DCL ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:30:28 +0100 , From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 1 Message-ID: <3F5768A4.C79AEFDF@notreallyhere.com>    Guy,  I I haven't had the time to read all the postings so apologies if this is a  repeat.   J I used to use the TPU debugger and found it quite good - basic but good. II would like to see this format of debugger for DCL if there is going to be ; one rather than the full blown all singing and dancing one.    Ade    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:34:08 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? . Message-ID: <bj7pi0$qss$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Marc Van Dyck <marc.vandyck@brutele.be> writes in article <mesnews.1d657d39.49cee60d.35.584@brutele.be> dated Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:01:58 +0200:1 >Aprs mure rflexion, "Keith A. Lewis" a crit : J >> Here's an improvement I'd like to see in DCL -- a way to write to a MBAO >> device which does the equivalent of IO$_WRITEVBLK | IO$M_NOW |IO$M_NORSWAIT. L >> DCL's WRITE command seems to wait for the message to be read on the other >> end before continuing.   F >If you need that feature, look at the MBX package on the freeware CD,C >which does exactly this. If you do so, some feedback would be much 
 >appreciated.   J Looks like a good package, Marc.  If I read the source right, it keeps the. I/O channel open between commands.  Awesome.    J Still, I think the functionality should be added to DCL so that it's there out-of-the-box.     + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:55:05 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ) Message-ID: <3F576058.2BB270FB@istop.com>   J > } OTOH, I don't see the point for FOR and WHILE or UNTIL loops, that can > } easily be made with GOTOs,    I If you implement FOR, WHILE , UNTIL loops, you should also implement some H BREAK statement that allows you to break out of the loop prematurely. Or. something less conventional, but more elegant:  
 JUMPOUT label   G This would 1- reset the "I am in a loop", 2-branch to a specific label.   M This would make it far more obvious what happens when you want to prematirely H leave the loop, instead of a BREAK statement which isn't so obvious what! exactly happens when it executes.   ? On the other hand, with nested loops, it could get interesting.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:04:06 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ) Message-ID: <3F576274.967B682F@istop.com>   I > >   o If line-editing across a line-wrap can't be fixed in the terminal & > >     driver, work around it in DCL.  G Perhaps on a decterm, you could press a special key which would pop the H current command up in a dialog whcih you could then edit at your heart's0 content and when you press OK, it gets executed.  K On a character cell terminal, how about popping an rudimentary editor which N would break the command with each qualifier into its own line, allowing you toM edit each line and then when you are done <ctrl-z> to re-assemble the command M and drop it back at the dcl level for you to then press return to execute it.    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:53:10 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? . Message-ID: <bj7qlm$sjq$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <hS12wQ+sb9rL@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 4 Sep 2003 10:22:03 -0500:T >In article <bj5ll1$1m9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, Alan <alan@nospam.com> writes: >>  < >> How about... Making the OpenVMS FTP server work correctly= >> with all the other OS browsers, such as Microsoft IE, and  6 >> Linux browsers (Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, etc...). > < >   I don't see how any piece of software can be expected to9 >   compensate for all the bugs in all the other software = >   out there, including a large number which ignore the RFP.  > 9 >   The bugs are in IE et. al., and they should be fixed.   K Naaah, no reason to fix 'em.  If somebody is serious about serving files to J browsers, they'll set up an HTTP server.  Apache is an excellent, free webJ server which runs on most platforms, including VMS.  There's no excuse for0 forcing your browser-based customers to use FTP.  J The FTP protocol has several problems that HTTP doesn't have, and only oneJ added feature (multiple transfers using a wildcard), which doesn't work in any browser I've ever seen.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:50:43 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEHMHOAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- 2 >From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]+ >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:55 AM4 >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? >l >aK >> } OTOH, I don't see the point for FOR and WHILE or UNTIL loops, that can  >> } easily be made with GOTOs,  >MJ >If you implement FOR, WHILE , UNTIL loops, you should also implement someI >BREAK statement that allows you to break out of the loop prematurely. Or / >something less conventional, but more elegant:D >d >JUMPOUT label If you do this, please call it  H LEAVE [label] (if label is not supplied it drops to the first executable after the loop) E so as not to superfluosly introduce yet another term into programminge   >DH >This would 1- reset the "I am in a loop", 2-branch to a specific label. > B >This would make it far more obvious what happens when you want to >prematirelyI >leave the loop, instead of a BREAK statement which isn't so obvious what?" >exactly happens when it executes. >o@ >On the other hand, with nested loops, it could get interesting. >e >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.e; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).gA >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003o >C ---s& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:55:53 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger?v9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEHNHOAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message-----D2 >From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]+ >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:04 AMi >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? >s >rJ >> >   o If line-editing across a line-wrap can't be fixed in the terminal' >> >     driver, work around it in DCL.w >oH >Perhaps on a decterm, you could press a special key which would pop theI >current command up in a dialog whcih you could then edit at your heart's?1 >content and when you press OK, it gets executed.  > L >On a character cell terminal, how about popping an rudimentary editor which? >would break the command with each qualifier into its own line,? >allowing you toB >edit each line and then when you are done <ctrl-z> to re-assemble >the commandB >and drop it back at the dcl level for you to then press return to >execute it.  I Or better yet, run it in an emacs command shell with syntax checking done/( by dcl-mode (written in lisp, of course)   >g >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.c; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).sA >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003Z >j ---s& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:32:09 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 1 Message-ID: <jFK5b.800$G1.4647@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>t  L I agree those may be fine statements, but I would prefer having new featuresI in DCL rather than having new constructs to make stuff "more readable". Ia/ like to be able to do more, not just different.    Floating point calculations,K Easier access to mailboxes (I once did it all in DCL and sometimes it wouldoL fail - 1 time out of 50 with a message that said it lost track of the streamB or something). Now I use a basic program to interact with the mbx.A Ability to communicate with other processes by the mean of TCP/IPl etce etch/ Others have given other examples in this threadb   -- e Syltreme   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---<B "Ken Robinson" <sendspamhere@rbnsn.com> a crit dans le message de: news:aaf3021892e892ee1b15b3c820a6571d@news.teranews.com...0 > "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> wrote in4 > news:Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-TqhEQQVQLJUQ@news.xs4all.nl: >mI > > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:29:46 UTC, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>t
 > > wrote: > > H > > } OTOH, I don't see the point for FOR and WHILE or UNTIL loops, thatF > > can } easily be made with GOTOs, as DCL should not be considered aJ > > language for } creating real applications and thus does not absolutely  > > need all those } constructs. > >xH > > They're not necessary, but still they're nice to have and they would3 > > probably clarify quite a few DCL command files.e > >o > > Instead of > >i > >   $ counter = 1l
 > >   $ loop:o > >   $   do_something > >   $   counter = counter + 1c. > >   $   if counter .le. final then goto loop > >   $ do_some_more > >o > > I'd rather write > >- > >   $ counter = 0, > >   $ repeat > >   $   counter = counter + 1e > >   $   do_something  > >   $ until counter .ge. final > >   $ do_some_more > >B >D' > Or to use the syntax from C or PHP...t > K > $  for (counter=0;counter .le. final;counter++) ! var++ is the syntax foru5 > adding 1 a variable, this would have to be added...  > $    do some coden
 > $    endfor  >- >d > Ken RobinsonE > kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com    <--- this time I got it right! :-)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:36:22 GMTr+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>e5 Subject: Re: Documentation for $setenv system service 2 Message-ID: <BB7C7FC3.B52A%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  H On 9/3/03 6:58 PM, in article 4%w5b.12751$NF5.3153@nwrddc01.gnilink.net,2 "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> wrote:  D >>> Can anyone provide documentation for the $setenv system service? > E >>> I have a need to update the LCD display. Is there another method?D > * > What does 'update the LCD display' mean? > L The LCD display on the front of most servers. The content of this display is& controlled by an environment variable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:14:22 -0500D From: paul@wren.cc.kux.edu) Subject: Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?o8 Message-ID: <2glelvgkar2kjfjl38bhmckfpu9pihefc8@4ax.com>  A I've been reluctant to not reboot on a non MIN system because godo? knows what the UPDATE, RMS, SYS, and FX11 patches would change.i; I'd even be nervous not booting with a MIN configed system.l  @ If HP'd give us a CD that would do the upgrades for us in 1 fell swoop... ;-)   Thanks for your advice!n  F On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:32:32 GMT, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote:  Y >In article <1030903171938.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: 0 >!On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote: >!I >!> Can I just boot to MINCONFIG and install the PCSI OS patches, and, by F >!> that method, keep from having to reboot repeatedly, just rebooting- >!> when all the patches have been installed?0 >!>  >!> Thank you! >!F >!I'm not sure I've *ever* had to reboot between ECO's when installingD >!a whole bunch that say "Reboot required".  On rare occasions, suchD >!as the PCSI ECO, I've had to log out and back in again.  (I alwaysD >!leave at least one other session or terminal logged into a priv'ed+ >!account, in case something breaks login.)e >WJ >I'm in agreement with John (from my own practical experience); however, IC >*think* that this method is "frowned upon" by OpenVMS Engineering.  >a >!* >!Then when done, I've just rebooted once. >!C >!(I'm assuming by "MINCONFIG" you mean booting with STARTUP_P1 set  >!to "MIN".) >!1 >!Anyone ever encountered any exceptions to this?u >!D >!(Could be the little gray cells are fading; I just joined AARP the >!other day...)d > * >Now where did I put my application???	:-) >Y >! >! >!-- i
 >!John Santosn >!Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. >!781-861-0670 ext 539 >! > K >__________________________________________________________________________aB >Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"L >bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' 1 >                                         with @"    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:56:04 GMTe3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)p) Subject: Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs? 2 Message-ID: <8oI5b.4029$I37.3541@news.cpqcorp.net>  U In article <l9iclvc9bm36mmd4u5js8lqks809j06lqm@4ax.com>, paul@wren.cc.kux.edu writes:tF >Can I just boot to MINCONFIG and install the PCSI OS patches, and, byC >that method, keep from having to reboot repeatedly, just rebooting?* >when all the patches have been installed?   No need or reason to boot min.=                                                               = For OpenVMS V7.2-2 and later --                                 @     First ensure that the latest PCSI remedial kit is installed.L     This should be a seperate installation; it should not require a re-boot.  0     Then you can install all the other patches, 9     either with separate PRODUCT INSTALL <kit> commands, N3     or in a single PRODUCT INSTALL <kit>,<kit>,...,-A     or just PRODUCT INSTALL * and choose the patch kits you want.k  1     After all desired kits are installed, reboot.r  E For older systems, which no longer have up-to-date PCSI remedial kits.C avaiable, I suggest you install the patch kits one-by-one, and theny do a single re-boot.    H As always, it is a *VERY* good idea to have a known good backup of your H system disk before installing or upgrading software products or patches.                      a -- nJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:38:06 -0400:* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived) Message-ID: <3F575C5E.2D89D140@istop.com>P   Bill Todd wrote:M > When Intel announced that Merced was a flop before it even hit the streets,sL > Itanic fanboys chorused "Just wait for McKinley!"  When McKinley failed toI > stir any greater market interest, they shouted "Just wait for Madison!"iH > What's Itanic waiting for *now* that will - oh, so incontrovertibly! -# > demonstrate its manifest destiny      H In fairness, didn't HP only just recently announce its IA64 product lineK (Integrity stuff) ? prior to this announcement, it would seem to me that HP-H only had token demo systems available to select developpers, which would explain very low sales.-  M To put things in perspective, how many Alphas CHIPS were sold/produced in thed! year 2000 ? (prior to alphacide) :  8 In an enterprise environment, isn't 3000 a fair number ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:01:48 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP/ Message-ID: <00A25643.410504A6.7@tachysoft.com>e  3 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:n  E >Don't be discouraged by the questions about software products.  ThatwB >just reflects their eagerness to help you advertise your softwareG >product if you have one.  They won't turn you down if you don't have a B >software product.  Just answer the questions as Not Applicable or
 >whatever.  O I'm glad to hear that.  As the other person said, the requirements section sure I indicates that you have to have a "product".  If consultants are actuallytN welcome, the info should say so to avoid driving people away.  In addition, toL the web page, the person who answered the published phone number didn't know	 either.  e  I I wasn't going to bother but finally said "well, I'll try it and see whatp: happens.  If they reject, I'll do the invididual thing."     >rC >When I joined the Digital ASAP program in 1996, they didn't reallydF >know what to do with a consultant, and kept badgering me for software >product information.  i  1 I hear that.  They drove me crazy with that shit.-  / >When ASAP was merged into the Compaq Solutions-E >Alliance (CSA), consultants were openly welcomed in their own right,oC >apparently since there were a lot of them in the Compaq world, and.E >that positive attitude toward consultants seems to have continued asi& >CSA was merged into the DSPP program.  O If that's true, they ought to implement CSA's explicit consultant category.  ItiH doesn't do any good to welcome consultants if they don't *know* they areN welcome.  Again, the site info and registration form should explicitly mentionI consultants, as CSA did.  The "product" field in the form should say "(ifn any)".  N The one other complaint about registration I had was that once again there wasM no mention of vms (as usual).  They wanted to know my area of interest and ofLF course I *have* no interest in HP other than their role as the currentM caretaker of VMS.  So I wasn't sure exactly what to enter.  I think I finally L selected itanium.  But of course they will assume that means itanium running billy shit or unix shit.   WayneMO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   -O =============================================================================== N Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:13:44 GMT@" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGB Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP0 Message-ID: <00A2564D.4D46BEAA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <00A25643.410504A6.7@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:4 >keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:
 >{...snip...}s >wO >The one other complaint about registration I had was that once again there was N >no mention of vms (as usual).  They wanted to know my area of interest and ofG >course I *have* no interest in HP other than their role as the currentiN >caretaker of VMS.  So I wasn't sure exactly what to enter.  I think I finallyM >selected itanium.  But of course they will assume that means itanium runningb >billy shit or unix shit.   I But you've got to be running Billy shit in order to become a DSPP member.OJ I had my former ASAP/CSA contact (Mr. Groves, I believe) handle getting meI a pseudo-registration -- that meaning I don't know if I'm a DSPP partner gJ or not but they did process my VMS SDK subscription.  For that I am thank-K ful.  Beyond the SDK, I haven't a clue what is offered by the DSPP program.g. Apparently, I'm getting my money's worth... ;)  I FYI, I sat in on a "round-table" discussion about DSPP in Atlanta and the(J majority of the other attendees in the discussion were also clueless aboutI what DSPP offers them.  With ASAP, I know what the program provided.  CSA2J had me shut out because its password protected pages never worked -- like-, ly another Billy shit requirement there too.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            t5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" O   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:27:34 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP2 Message-ID: <a5H5b.4023$b37.2051@news.cpqcorp.net>   Wayne,  I We treat each request separately.  Sometimes we work in cooperation with lE the storage group for h/w we don't have.  Jukeboxes are an excellent  G example.  We don't have any, but we would try to locate one and borrow  I it for the ISV engagement.  It all starts when you request a system thru  G DSPP.  Use either the web portal or call 800 249 3294 and press option l 2, then option 1.   G You may want to wait until jukeboxes are qualified on OpenVMS Itanium. n/   I have very limited support from engineering.n  F No operators here in the Littleton AMTC.  If you need a tape mounted, 0 please make special arrangements with the staff.   Mark   > M > What kind of hardware will be available on these systems?  I do developmentrO > for Software Partners, who specialises in storage management products.  So to;O > fully port TAPESYS and the other SP products, I will need disks, tape drives, K > and jukeboxes for testing.  If internet access is used, will operators be  > available for mounting tapes?l >  > WayneeQ > ===============================================================================-P > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com= > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   -Q > ===============================================================================nP > Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:43:38 +0200 (MET)s9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing; Message-ID: <01L09IFZ480YAOOLBD@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > Sue, it woudl be interesting to have more information about this. DoesI > the application just generate postscript that is then sent to the laser.K > printers ? or is this a true printing with lithographic process etc etc?   > J > What software on the VMS side is used to support the printing ? just theG > normal VMS print queues ? DCPS, or do they have proprietary system to0I > capture output to file and then copy the files over the net to the highl > end printers?   2 Hey, it's just a pearl, not the whole oyster.  :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Sep 2003 10:23:21 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM>( Subject: Re: OSU web server mailing list- Message-ID: <86bru0v56e.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>t  , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  O > I have been trying unsuccesfully to sign up to the OSU mailing list for a fewiO > months now. When i changed email address, I was succesful in removing the old M > address, but the new address just gets a "your request for subscription has . > been sent to the list manager for approval". > L > I have sent emails to the list owner (Javier Henderson (with a CC to DavidN > Jones) as listed in the last messages I had gotten from the OSU mailing listM > (the RFC headers had extra X-mumble lines describing list management stuff)p@ > and went to the web site, but I got no response and no action. > M > Just wondering if I am being diplomatically told to get lost and others can:C > still sign up to the list or whether there is some real problem ?F  D I'm moving all of the lists to a new server, and apparently I messedC this one up. Sorry. I'll clean it up post haste, certainly no later- than tonight (Sep 4th).r   -jav   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 10:07:44 -05003- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)R- Subject: Re: Patching Ident field of an Image 3 Message-ID: <Tp1YldFRf6S7@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  W In article <3f5650d1$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes:D$ >>Perhaps this is a better solution.A >>I'll check on displaying the "Image File Build Identification".tF >>Do you have any hints on how I get this information written into the( >>image header without having to relink? > N > In a secure environment, why would I trust an image that gets modified after
 > linking?  G If that is your policy, never switch from VAX to Alpha VMS because that % technique is used in PCSI patch kits.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 07:22:15 GMT / From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>t$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-mfWuu4cbXx2T@localhost>e  D On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:56:39 UTC, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)  wrote:  I > In article <bj4dh7$o5j$2@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:m: > >I know since I've been using this EDLIN on this system. > J > Back around 1982 I ported the Software Tools toolkit to RSX-11, starting ... J > Since then I haven't used anything less than my enhanced ed (QED) on anyG > computer. The editor I used 20 years ago when I ported it from RatfortF > to Aztec C was basically a line-oriented TECO with "carriage return"F > instead of "escape". Two returns to end an insert or change. ChangesG > shorter than a line were done by substitutes, with (I think) a returnnD > between the two bits of text. I'm damned if I can recall the name, > or any of the commands.* > G > The main thing was that it was a tape editor. If the file was too big F > to fit in the buffer you paged through it, and going back beyond theE > beginning of the buffer was painful because it had to copy the rest I > of the file and then rewind. On floppies. REALLY encouraged small (less  > than about 45k) files.  D Sounds like the RSX-11M editor  EDI. On an 11/60 with only 128MW of D RAM and more than two users, EDT felt painfully slow, so I stuck to A EDI. And then came VAX and VMS so EDT became the norm. Now I use  
 Anker's SEDT.v   -- , Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:01:24 +0200, From: Harti Brandt <hbb@fokus.fraunhofer.de>$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates> Message-ID: <20030904095819.Q28260@beagle.fokus.fraunhofer.de>  * On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Dave Weatherall wrote:  F DW>On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:56:39 UTC, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)	 DW>wrote:e DW>rL DW>> In article <bj4dh7$o5j$2@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:= DW>> >I know since I've been using this EDLIN on this system.- DW>>M DW>> Back around 1982 I ported the Software Tools toolkit to RSX-11, startinge DW>...M DW>> Since then I haven't used anything less than my enhanced ed (QED) on anyrJ DW>> computer. The editor I used 20 years ago when I ported it from RatforI DW>> to Aztec C was basically a line-oriented TECO with "carriage return" I DW>> instead of "escape". Two returns to end an insert or change. ChangestJ DW>> shorter than a line were done by substitutes, with (I think) a returnG DW>> between the two bits of text. I'm damned if I can recall the name,p DW>> or any of the commands. DW>>J DW>> The main thing was that it was a tape editor. If the file was too bigI DW>> to fit in the buffer you paged through it, and going back beyond the H DW>> beginning of the buffer was painful because it had to copy the restL DW>> of the file and then rewind. On floppies. REALLY encouraged small (less DW>> than about 45k) files.l DW>nF DW>Sounds like the RSX-11M editor  EDI. On an 11/60 with only 128MW ofF DW>RAM and more than two users, EDT felt painfully slow, so I stuck toC DW>EDI. And then came VAX and VMS so EDT became the norm. Now I use- DW>Anker's SEDT.  G We used EDT on a 128kw machine with six terminals. It took me two weeksi? to feed all the EDT objects through DOB, edit them to make them  compileableeE with MAC and make a shared library out of most of EDT. This left evenrE space for an OMSI pascal V2 when 4 people were working in EDT on thatW machine.   harti1     DW>0 DW>    -- l
 harti brandt,oP http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private- brandt@fokus.fraunhofer.de, harti@freebsd.orgl   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 04 Sep 03 08:56:03 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.come$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates+ Message-ID: <bj72mf$5au$1@bob.news.rcn.net>e  2 In article <bj5a0n$184v$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,,    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:H >In article <bj4dh7$o5j$2@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:9 >>I know since I've been using this EDLIN on this system.k >AI >Back around 1982 I ported the Software Tools toolkit to RSX-11, startingTJ >by hand-compiling the Ratfor source for Ratfor and Macro to Fortran, thenJ >entering and modifying the rest of the Ratfor source for my idiosyncratic >Ratfor variant. >eI >Since then I haven't used anything less than my enhanced ed (QED) on any F >computer. The editor I used 20 years ago when I ported it from RatforE >to Aztec C was basically a line-oriented TECO with "carriage return"- >instead of "escape".   A I needed to insert <CR>s and <LF>s by themselves in a bit of workn3 that I did.  Line editing was not the way to do it.e  0 >Two returns to end an insert or change. ChangesF >shorter than a line were done by substitutes, with (I think) a return >between the two bits of text. h  0 Oh, this was way too slow for my editing tastes.  ( > ..I'm damned if I can recall the name, >or any of the commands. > F >The main thing was that it was a tape editor. If the file was too bigE >to fit in the buffer you paged through it, and going back beyond theiD >beginning of the buffer was painful because it had to copy the restH >of the file and then rewind. On floppies. REALLY encouraged small (less >than about 45k) files.   < <GRIN>  It's amusing that you thought this was slow but that< line editing wasn't.  If I was working with slow media (this9 was rare since I was spoiled by doing all work, includinge; 8s and 11s, on a PDP-10), I'd read from one drive and write-> to another.  If there was only one drive on the system, I used8 the -10, then carried the results to the little machine.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.a   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 11:02:23 GMTf( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates2 Message-ID: <bj763v$2f6a$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  5 In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-mfWuu4cbXx2T@localhost>,a. Dave Weatherall <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote:E >Sounds like the RSX-11M editor  EDI. On an 11/60 with only 128MW of oE >RAM and more than two users, EDT felt painfully slow, so I stuck to  B >EDI. And then came VAX and VMS so EDT became the norm. Now I use  >Anker's SEDT.   Maybe.  M It may have been a DOS or CPM based clone. I distinctly remember the way it'duL seek back and forth on the floppy when it rewound the file, and we never ran' RSX on floppies. No RT-11 there either.n  J It was various bits of EDT-related suckage that led me to port ED, and I'm1 pretty sure I never used anything other than EDT.g   -- sH Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	 29.6852N 95.5770W                       WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)-   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 06:37:39 -0700e$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: PWS 500 questione= Message-ID: <d0141774.0309040537.2c735b2d@posting.google.com>    Take a look at this...L http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751164078&category=179   Is this a 500a or a 500au? Will it run VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:01:27 -0700r& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net> Subject: Re: PWS 500 questionl+ Message-ID: <bj7gln07ds@enews2.newsguy.com>w   issinoho wrote:t > Take a look at this...N > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751164078&category=179 >  > Is this a 500a or a 500au? > Will it run VMS?  H It appears to be of the 500A variety, which with the right goodies will D run OpenVMS quite happily.  The SCSI card is a QLogic 1040 which is F OpenVMS compatible and it does have the B cache (a nice plus).  Don't H recognize the graphics card, someone else might know if it's compatible  or not.mI I've seen better deals on eBay here in the US, don't know if this is the 1 going rate in Europe.d  
 Good luck!   TomC   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: PWS 500 questione. Message-ID: <bj7r7m$sjq$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes in article <d0141774.0309040537.2c735b2d@posting.google.com> dated 4 Sep 2003 06:37:39 -0700:e >Take a look at this...hM >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751164078&category=179- >- >Is this a 500a or a 500au?p >Will it run VMS?0  J I have a 500au in my office which clearly says 500a on the front.  In thisJ case I would believe the BIOS.  Even if it's a 500a, you can probably make VMS run on it.  L Assuming the previous owner was running NT or Linux on it, the video card isE probably not VMS compatible.  Usually those will still work as a text.L console.  I picked up an Elsa Gloria Synergy card for $50 on Ebay.  It works' great (but not very fast) in the 500au.e  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgO> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 06:29:24 -0700a- From: bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede)a( Subject: Re: read on socket returns zero< Message-ID: <8a3b834.0309040529.7d6c345d@posting.google.com>  L Thing is the Accept on server timesout(on Windows) and the socket is closed.E Due to which the read is receiving zero and the connection is closed.s  + The Client with the read call (on VMS) is :f   UCX> sh vers  @   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 54   on a AlphaStation 255/233 running OpenVMS V7.1-1H1    ? Is there an issue with this particular release/path of VMS/UCX.   + Another machine with following works fine :R
 UCX> sho vers   @   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 15   on a AlphaServer 800 5/333 running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2o   Rgds,c Bhushana      u "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message news:<2wD3b.70402$bo1.5478@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...tJ > Unless I miss the point of your question... from the docs you will see a= > return value of 0 means the peer has closed the connection.e >  > Matt.n > -- "? > -------------------------------------------------------------b > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Companya > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAi? > -------------------------------------------------------------, >  > < > "Bhushan Narkhede" <bhushann@hotmail.com> wrote in message8 > news:8a3b834.0308280829.6e4b5c71@posting.google.com... > > Hi,i > >e, > >    I am working on a vms socket program.M > > During the initial connection there is a successful read of 16 bytes thann6 > > during 2nd read on the socket fd, it returns zero.0 > > What could be the possible reasons for this. > >  > > Regards, > > Bl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:30:30 GMTg# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>a! Subject: Recommended replacements,; Message-ID: <W7H5b.7183$875.282232@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   J I currently have an LAVC consisting of a DS10 and an old Alpha 2100A   TheA storage is an HSZ50 connected to the 2100 and served to the DS10.n  F I want to replace the 2100 and the HSZ with another Alpha and a betterL shared storage array.   What would be a good recommendation.  I am sure thatH space is not a problem as I would be replacing a lot of 2 and 4GB drivesI (and a few 36 GB drives) with larger drives, but I need at LEAST 12 driveeJ slots.  I would also like to be able to accommodate at least one SDLT tape drive also.B   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:58:18 GMTe1 From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.donotspamme.com>m% Subject: Re: Recommended replacementsl2 Message-ID: <KaK5b.4043$Zk7.3767@news.cpqcorp.net>   John N. wrote:L > I currently have an LAVC consisting of a DS10 and an old Alpha 2100A   TheC > storage is an HSZ50 connected to the 2100 and served to the DS10.  > H > I want to replace the 2100 and the HSZ with another Alpha and a betterN > shared storage array.   What would be a good recommendation.  I am sure thatJ > space is not a problem as I would be replacing a lot of 2 and 4GB drivesK > (and a few 36 GB drives) with larger drives, but I need at LEAST 12 driverL > slots.  I would also like to be able to accommodate at least one SDLT tape
 > drive also.e >  >  >  >   B John, how deep are your pockets and how "modern" do you want your E cluster to be?  You may also be limited by your OpenVMS version, too.o  / Some ideas, from relatively cheap to not cheap:e  > *	Install a KZPBA-CB in the DS10 and reconfigure the HSZ50 andA 	systems on a shared SCSI bus.  With the correct configuration of$> 	"Y-cables," tri-links and termination at ONLY the ends of the= 	shared SCSI, you should have a fully sharable set of storagep$ 	with your existing HSZ and systems.  A *	Get a newer system to replace the 2100 and install KZPBA-CBs ing@ 	both the new(er) box and the DS10.  Build a cluster with direct@ 	connected SCSI and keep the HSZ50.  Install the SDLT in the new@ 	system, so it'll either have to be big enough to house the tapeA 	internally or have a SCSI adapter for a tabletop unit.  The tape}+ 	shouldn't be on the shared bus or the HSZ.E  @ *	If you want "newer" shared or sharable storage, but don't want? 	to totally reinvent, do the above and replace the HSZ50 with an@ 	HSZ70 or HSZ80.  The HSZ80 can be fitted into the newer modularA 	storage controller shelf and connected to the newer modular disk @ 	shelves, which will support (configuration dependant) around 12@ 	disks per shelf.  Were you intending to have 12 drive slots PER> 	shelf or just overall?  Install the SDLT into the newer Alpha 	on a dedicated SCSI as above.  ? *	If you want to totally recreate your storage farm, get a more.? 	modern Alpha, two supported SANswitches, dual KGPSAs (for bothw8 	systems), Fibre cables, HSG80 controllers (or supported? 	alternative), modular device shelves, modular disks and an MDRe< 	for your SDLT for a multibus failover configuration.  OtherA 	topologies may be possible, if all the planets are in alignment.e  H It all depends on your needs, your expectations, what you're willing to ( spend and how radical you want to get...   bob2   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:18:57 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)! Subject: Re: SMTP and DECnet maila. Message-ID: <bj7hkh$efn$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  { JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes in article <3F56330B.4043320A@istop.com> dated Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:29:44 -0400:e/ >What I would like to do is to be able to have:s >mO >chef@pastry.chocolate.com  being received by "cake" (acting for chocolate.com).  J You can do that with the right "MX" records on chocolate.com's DNS server.  : >and then have the smtp server deliver it to pastry::chef. >iH >Is this possible with the DEC supplied TCPIP Services 5.3 SMTP server ?  < You could do it by setting forwarding on the CHEF account.    H If you want it for all accounts, you can probably do it with the MX mailI server package too but not with the "free" version of HP's SMTP.  There's . this layered product they're trying to sell...  M >(one reason for this is that I would have "pastry" defined as a logical nametJ >pointing to an object other than "MAIL" to run a mail-emabled application- >and/or gateway to other type of mail system.   L Hmmm, I don't see a compelling reason in there to use Decnet.  Why not write< your mail-enabled app as a SMTP server which runs on pastry?  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgi> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:01:08 -0400s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: SMTP and DECnet mail ) Message-ID: <3F5761C3.B36565F1@istop.com>c   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:mQ > >chef@pastry.chocolate.com  being received by "cake" (acting for chocolate.com)8 > L > You can do that with the right "MX" records on chocolate.com's DNS server.  > But then node PASTRY needs its own SMTP server. OR, if I pointL pastry.chocolate.com to node CAKE, then cake thinks that user "chef" belongs to cake.  N > Hmmm, I don't see a compelling reason in there to use Decnet.  Why not write> > your mail-enabled app as a SMTP server which runs on pastry?  N Because if the system on pastry is to receive connections from anywhere in theN world, it will need to handle a whole bunch of logic which the dec SMTP server/ does (for instance, anti-spam measures etc etc)t   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 03 08:10:24 +0200n) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)eA Subject: Re: two more VMS Technical Update Days in Europe in Septv) Message-ID: <E7YEXDRQjx3x@elias.decus.ch>-  c In article <W$cgMvFx8Bud@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ib > In article <bj4qif$f58ge$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:0 >> On 2003-09-03 14:58, "Larry Kilgallen" wrote: >> 2u >>> In article <857e9e41.0309030421.285a2fc2@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:wI >>>> Germany - Sept 22-23 wir mchten Sie gerne am 22./23. September 2003lH >>>> zu den HP OpenVMS TechnicalUpdate Days in Bad Homburg einladen. Der
 >>>> [...] >>> K >>> I presume Usenet conventions allow for some of our German colleagues tooK >>> ask detailed technical questions of the original poster in the languageb >>> she used :-) >>> 
 >>>> [...] >> .I >> I don't think so; even the agenda for these "Technical Update Days" isw >> given in English (PDF file).a >> DN >> But a *cross-posting* to "*de*.comp.os.vms" would have been nice of course. > C > No, a cross-posting between newsgroups which default to different B > languages would *not* be good.  Perhaps a duplicate posting, butA > made by one of the German-speaking VMS Ambassadors.  If only we 2 > can connect Sue with that end of her company :-)  < Good suggestion. Consider it forwarded to my German speaking VMS Ambassador.h   > K >> BTW: Members of DECUS Munich got the invitation to this event via e-mail  >> on Aug 11th.a > 
 > Good work !a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:32:26 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>tA Subject: Re: two more VMS Technical Update Days in Europe in Sept-9 Message-ID: <bj70rh$g1475$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>M  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht7 news:857e9e41.0309030421.285a2fc2@posting.google.com...CF > Germany - Sept 22-23 wir mchten Sie gerne am 22./23. September 2003E > zu den HP OpenVMS TechnicalUpdate Days in Bad Homburg einladen. DerzA > Schwerpunkt der Veranstaltung liegt im technischen Bereich, mite= > internationalen OpenVMS-Engineering Spezialisten, aber auchpC > Businessthemen mit renommierten Sprechern von der Hewlett-PackardaF > Corporation. Die Veranstaltung beinhaltet ein breites Themenspektrum > von Technik und Wissen.lA > Logistik: Der Veranstaltungsort ist das Hofgut Kronenhof in Bad 
 > Homburg.C > Hofgut Kronenhof, Zeppelinstr. 10, D-61352 Bad Homburg v. d. HheMG > Die Veranstaltung beginnt am 22. September 2003 um 8.00 Uhr und endete? > am Folgetag gegen 17.00 Uhr. OpenVMS-Engineering werden tiefes; > Einblicke in die Itanium-Architektur und -Systeme bieten.a9 > Diedetailierte Agenda finden Sie unter www.hpevents.de.a >ND > Netherlands - Sept 25-26 Information about the Netherlands OpenVMSE > Technical Update Days can be found at: http://www.hp.nl/openvms-tud3 > The event will be held in.@ > Congrescentre De Reehorst in Ede (halfway Utrecht and Arnhem);; > http://www.reehorst.nl/Bereik/bereik.htm for the address.h  > See you in Ede, Sue. Why not post the second part in dutch :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:35:09 -0000b! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>n5 Subject: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?e/ Message-ID: <vldn8tn0gl2u4c@corp.supernews.com>o  > With UCX, how can I tell which sockets are in use and by which
 processes?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:24:17 GMT!0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?m> Message-ID: <BMB5b.82122$bo1.73986@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   It requires two steps:       1) $ tcpip show devn     2) $ show devc   E.g.   $ tcpip show dev/port=6000  =                             Port                       Remotee< Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host  8   bg434       STREAM    6000       0                   *   $ show dev bg434/fulle  G Device BG434:, device type unknown, is online, mounted, record-orientedi device,t#     network device, mailbox device.   <     Error count                    0    Operations completed 2!1     Owner process    "DECW$SERVER_0"    Owner UIC- [SYSTEM]0     Owner process ID        254000B9    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL_;     Reference count                1    Default buffer sizep 256s   Matt.w   -- r= -------------------------------------------------------------e OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company- Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAh= -------------------------------------------------------------     - "Z" <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message ) news:vldn8tn0gl2u4c@corp.supernews.com...1@ > With UCX, how can I tell which sockets are in use and by which > processes?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:57:16 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>h9 Subject: Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use? / Message-ID: <vle33s2a4ja9cf@corp.supernews.com>n  / Matt Muggeridge <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote:  : It requires two steps: :     1) $ tcpip show dev7 :     2) $ show dev  ...    That's just what I needed.   Many thanks.   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:40:13 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk9 Subject: Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use? ) Message-ID: <bj7brd$hk7$1@news.mdx.ac.uk><  S In article <vldn8tn0gl2u4c@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:D? >With UCX, how can I tell which sockets are in use and by whichl >processes?s     Alpha2:sh dev bg/full   M Device BG0:, device type unknown, is online, mounted, record-oriented device, >     network device, mailbox device, device is a template only.  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0uO     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]eO     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot    S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLyO     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 256t  M Device BG2:, device type unknown, is online, mounted, record-oriented device,e#     network device, mailbox device.-  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed               2167sO     Owner process    "TCPIP$INETACP"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]DO     Owner process ID        20600423    Dev Prot    S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLfO     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 256K  N Device BG21:, device type unknown, is online, mounted, record-oriented device,#     network device, mailbox device.I  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  7aO     Owner process     "TCPIP$ROUTED"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        20600424    Dev Prot    S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL  .t .- .n  5 Will show you the process associated with each socket,  
 ucx sh dev  =                             Port                       Remotey< Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host  8   bg21        DGRAM      520       0                   *8   bg51        DGRAM      111       0  PORTMAPPER       *8   bg52        STREAM     111       0  PORTMAPPER       *8   bg54        STREAM      21       0  FTP              *8   bg56        DGRAM    49155       0                   *8   bg66        STREAM     515       0  LPD              *8   bg73        DGRAM      570       0  METRIC           *8   bg75        STREAM     102       0                   *8   bg77        STREAM     399       0                   *8   bg81        STREAM     512       0  REXEC            *8   bg83        STREAM     513       0  RLOGIN           *8   bg87        STREAM     514       0  RSH              *8   bg98        STREAM      23       0  TELNET           * .t .u .vB   bg485       STREAM   51379   49486                   158.94.0.13D   bg524       STREAM     143   17350                   62.149.94.158E   bg605       STREAM      25   28278                   203.156.32.133wC   bg723       STREAM     399   49252                   158.94.3.102 B   bg817       STREAM   51379   62178                   158.94.0.13 .t .g .   ; Will show you the ports and remote host being connected to.i  t  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:51:03 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use? ) Message-ID: <3F575F66.43A06B6E@istop.com>r   Matt Muggeridge wrote: >  > It requires two steps: >  >     1) $ tcpip show dev  >     2) $ show deve  M Hey Mr Muggeridge, how goes the surfing these days ? Or do you consider it ise still too cold to go surfing ?   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)y   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 06:47:49 -0700w$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)B Subject: What's the practical effect of DECW$LOGINMANY being TRUE?= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0309040547.20ff0b41@posting.google.com>n  F DECW$PRIVATE_APPS_SETUP.TEMPLATE describes DECW$LOGINMANY as "Allow[s]& multiple connections during loginout."  F So, what happens differently if DECW$LOGINMANY is set to TRUE? Does it" affect login performance, or what?   Thanks,e   Galena   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.490 ************************.  But of course they will assume that means itanium running billy shit or unix shit.   WayneMO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; ht46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.