1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 05 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 491       Contents:M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal $ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file$ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file$ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file$ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file$ Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: HSZTERM and HSZ22 ? % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived 9 Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP ' Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing ' Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates 9 Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1  Re: PWS 500 question Re: PWS 500 question Re: read on socket returns zero  Re: SMTP and DECnet mail" Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV0 Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use?> Re: Using multiple Radeon 7500 PCI cards in a DS10 running VMSN VMS is being ported to Itanium - but will there be any support when it arrivesP Re: VMS is being ported to Itanium - but will there be any support when it arriv) VMS Technical Update (presenter's notes?)   [Q] Learning to use Queues in C.$ Re: [Q] Learning to use Queues in C.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:41:23 -0500 5 From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <QhCdnemcnK_-CMqiRTvUqA@speakeasy.net>  3 In article <n0CSr+c3GgII@eisner.encompasserve.org>, . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: >>  E >> I'm on a Powerbook now, so I can't check if it works, but have you 4 >> tried the "Strict VT-100 keypad behavior" option? > D >I believe so - I found I had to change at least two controls to get@ >as close as I could to a VT100.  There is also a dialog box for@ >changing the meanings of keys, but PF1-PF4 were not among them.  2 I've since tried it and it doesn't work.  Oh well.       --  F Matthew T. Russotto                            mrussotto@speakeasy.netF "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuitL of justice is no virtue."  But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of / a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:25:03 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>- Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file 8 Message-ID: <t84flvssfpt4ua84k152f6140bs9kn84f0@4ax.com>  8 On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:43:54 +0200 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   / >Well, DISK:[SYSn]SYSCOMMON.DIR is an alias for G >DISK:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR.  (Actually, since both of these occur in  E >logicals defined as search lists, I've never understood why this is  E >necessary; perhaps it goes back to the very old days of VMS, before  ' >search-list logicals were implemented?   N This is a question I've often wondered about, too -- why (technically) are theN SYSCOMMON.DIR aliases setup on a cluster common system disk? As you point out,K with the logical name SYS$SYSROOT defined as a search list, I don't see any  reason why this is/was done.  P I've never found anyone who can make even a plausible response. I'd love to find out from one of the HP folks. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:42:48 GMT ' From: Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com> - Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309041540110.14554-100000@honker.vgersoft.com>  ( On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, David M Smith wrote:  : > On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:43:54 +0200 (MET), Phillip Helbig- > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > 1 > >Well, DISK:[SYSn]SYSCOMMON.DIR is an alias for I > >DISK:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR.  (Actually, since both of these occur in  G > >logicals defined as search lists, I've never understood why this is  G > >necessary; perhaps it goes back to the very old days of VMS, before  ) > >search-list logicals were implemented?  > P > This is a question I've often wondered about, too -- why (technically) are theP > SYSCOMMON.DIR aliases setup on a cluster common system disk? As you point out,M > with the logical name SYS$SYSROOT defined as a search list, I don't see any  > reason why this is/was done. > R > I've never found anyone who can make even a plausible response. I'd love to find > out from one of the HP folks.   I For one thing, it makes it possible/easier to redefine SYS$SYSROOT to add H additional elements to the search path for SYS$SYSTEM, etc. I do this on several systems.   -s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:17:52 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file - Message-ID: <87vfs8quy7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> writes:   < > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  C >> > Are you moving this directory on the same disk?  If so, RENAME 3 >> > the .DIR file to the new containing directory.   	 >> Right.   D >> Tongue-slightly-in-cheek: Is renaming directories supported?  :-)  < > Certainly is! I think, though you need to be careful aboutC > permissions. IIRC, you need delete access to a file to rename it, 5 > and directories are usually only RWE for the owner.   @ You also need to be carfull you don't end up with mumble.dir;2!!< This is somewhat confusing, and you will probably nuke files- while you work out what the F... is going on.      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 17:17:36 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file 3 Message-ID: <1y46xf8NWzVC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <t84flvssfpt4ua84k152f6140bs9kn84f0@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes: : > On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:43:54 +0200 (MET), Phillip Helbig- > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > 0 >>Well, DISK:[SYSn]SYSCOMMON.DIR is an alias forH >>DISK:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR.  (Actually, since both of these occur in F >>logicals defined as search lists, I've never understood why this is F >>necessary; perhaps it goes back to the very old days of VMS, before ( >>search-list logicals were implemented? > P > This is a question I've often wondered about, too -- why (technically) are the> > SYSCOMMON.DIR aliases setup on a cluster common system disk?  # There is at least what you see from   7 	$ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:VMS$INITIAL-050_VMS.COM SYSCOMMON   E and I thought I remembered something from an executable image used in - startup, but I don't have time to look it up.   F Theoretically it would be possible to have a combined VAX/Alpha systemG disk with various system-specific roots pointing to the common root for G the appropriate architecture.  I would not enjoy maintaining an upgrade D procedure for that situation, which is why I think the only recorded8 cases of this being done have been non-production hacks.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:38:16 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>- Subject: Re: Backup/Copy tree with alias file ; Message-ID: <I1Q5b.9766$UN5.742@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   H Doesn't nuke files.  I had a DBA rename an entire directory tree "renameF [new_image...]*.*  [image...]*.*" in preparation for an upgrade.  ThisJ created several  .dir;2 files and he was blaming "disk corruption" for theL ensuing issues.  Once I worked out what the problem actually rename restoredJ the original tree structure.  With no errors logged I was able to say "VMS) doesn't corrupt data, DBAs corrupt data."    -- Andy Bustamante  remove the ASCII 95s to reply       9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87vfs8quy7.fsf@prep.synonet.com... - > Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> writes:  > > > > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote: > E > >> > Are you moving this directory on the same disk?  If so, RENAME 5 > >> > the .DIR file to the new containing directory.  >  > >> Right.  > F > >> Tongue-slightly-in-cheek: Is renaming directories supported?  :-) > > > > Certainly is! I think, though you need to be careful aboutE > > permissions. IIRC, you need delete access to a file to rename it, 7 > > and directories are usually only RWE for the owner.  > B > You also need to be carfull you don't end up with mumble.dir;2!!> > This is somewhat confusing, and you will probably nuke files/ > while you work out what the F... is going on.  >  >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  ' Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:35 +0100 (BST) 9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) ' Subject: Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped A Message-ID: <memo.20030904213546.1004B@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>   O In article <djgdlv81e1o9ra7ebmuln39pr9cr75ngc4@4ax.com>, rjpark@mindspring.com   (Randy Park) wrote:   < > I'm having some disk problems that I'm trying to sort out.5 > It's been probably over 8 years since I've done any 8 > kind of serious system management, so I'm a bit rusty. > ) > System A:  VaxStation 3100/30,  VMS 6.1 ' > System B:  Alpha 3000/300LX,  VMS 6.2  > 3 > Each system has a boot disk and a data disk.  The  > boot disk is fairly stable.  > 0 > Problems have been surfacing on my VaxStation.7 > Last week I was having a significant number of errors 9 > on my data disk, so I immediately did two image backups < > of it, on before and one after a reboot. By significant, I= > mean thousands.  Enough to stop my work.  After a couple of < > false attempts with incompatible disks, I finally restored9 > from tape to the RZ26L disk I acquired this morning.  I 7 > did this under a "minimal" system boot.  Analyze disk  > confirmed a number of errors.  > : > But during this boot, where I did the restore, I noticed9 > an error message that displayed priior to the copyright " > message being displayed. It was:7 > %RBLD-E-WRTIBMAP, I/O error writing index file bitmap  > on relative volume 1 > 6 > I wasn't quite 100% sure what I meant, but I knew it7 > wasn't good.  Next I tried a regular system boot.  It 5 > came up and appeared normal, with the login window. 9 > When I would log in, the VaxStation would crash.  After 8 > several times, I did a minimal boot, which worked, but, > the with same RBLD message.  Next I did an/ > ANALYZE/DISK on the boot disk and it returned 6 > hundreds of errors.  Great, I had errors on my data / > disk, and now my boot disk also has problems. . > Ok, now I realize that the RBLD message says4 > that it can't write to the bitmap, which obviously2 > means things are going to fail in an unfriendly 	 > manner.  > 5 > After trying a number of things, I decided to mount 1 > the VaxStation boot disk on the Alpha as a data / > disk.  After I boot the Alpha, I then MOUNTed 2 > the Vax's system disk.  MOUNT did not return any0 > errors, but SHOW DEVICE said 11 errors on that  > disk.  ANALYZE/ERROR tells me:  >    SCSI CMD = Unknown SCSI Cmd >    Status = Good2 >    Extended Sense = Aborted Command, RAM Failure# > 11 of these messages were logged.  > : > I exercise the disk a bit, and get no errors.  I perform2 > an ANALYZE/DISK and unlike the report on the Vax4 > I get no errors.  Now I'm stumped.  To make things5 > even stranger, after mounting the old Vax data disk 0 > on the Alpha and again performing ANALYZE/DISK5 > I get no errors, unlike the Vax.  So now I'm doubly 4 > stumped.  I even created some files on both disks, > and still no errors. > 8 > I find it hard to believe that both disks would go bad7 > within a few days of each other.  By the way, the old 7 > data disk was an external disk, with a separate power 	 > supply.  > ( > Can anyone make any sense out of this? > 4 > Question...  Can I perform on the Alpha, an image 3 > copy of my Vax system disk to a new disk and then 4 > boot the Vax from this new disk, or will I have to0 > use an intermediate media, like tape?  Is that > confusing enough.  >  > M Check the power supply in all external SCSI boxes - several SCSI devices are  P VERY sensitive to the value of the 5 volt rail. (For example, Exabyte 8200 tape O units were fine at 5.15 volts, marginal at 5.05 volts and failed completely at  L 4.95 volts). If the PSUs can be adjusted set the 5 volt rail to approx 5.15  volts.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:48:07 -04000 From: "Homer Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>' Subject: Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped 6 Message-ID: <4XR5b.343$Rh1.201@bignews4.bellsouth.net>  I Sounds to me like the boot disk was making the data disk look bad.  Try a L new boot disk.  It is not uncommon for one SCSI disk to go bad in such a way/ that you think the problem is with another one.   5 "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com> wrote in message 2 news:djgdlv81e1o9ra7ebmuln39pr9cr75ngc4@4ax.com...< > I'm having some disk problems that I'm trying to sort out.5 > It's been probably over 8 years since I've done any 8 > kind of serious system management, so I'm a bit rusty. > ) > System A:  VaxStation 3100/30,  VMS 6.1 ' > System B:  Alpha 3000/300LX,  VMS 6.2  > 3 > Each system has a boot disk and a data disk.  The  > boot disk is fairly stable.  > 0 > Problems have been surfacing on my VaxStation.7 > Last week I was having a significant number of errors 9 > on my data disk, so I immediately did two image backups < > of it, on before and one after a reboot. By significant, I= > mean thousands.  Enough to stop my work.  After a couple of < > false attempts with incompatible disks, I finally restored9 > from tape to the RZ26L disk I acquired this morning.  I 7 > did this under a "minimal" system boot.  Analyze disk  > confirmed a number of errors.  > : > But during this boot, where I did the restore, I noticed9 > an error message that displayed priior to the copyright " > message being displayed. It was:7 > %RBLD-E-WRTIBMAP, I/O error writing index file bitmap  > on relative volume 1 > 6 > I wasn't quite 100% sure what I meant, but I knew it7 > wasn't good.  Next I tried a regular system boot.  It 5 > came up and appeared normal, with the login window. 9 > When I would log in, the VaxStation would crash.  After 8 > several times, I did a minimal boot, which worked, but, > the with same RBLD message.  Next I did an/ > ANALYZE/DISK on the boot disk and it returned 5 > hundreds of errors.  Great, I had errors on my data / > disk, and now my boot disk also has problems. . > Ok, now I realize that the RBLD message says4 > that it can't write to the bitmap, which obviously1 > means things are going to fail in an unfriendly 	 > manner.  > 5 > After trying a number of things, I decided to mount 1 > the VaxStation boot disk on the Alpha as a data / > disk.  After I boot the Alpha, I then MOUNTed 2 > the Vax's system disk.  MOUNT did not return any0 > errors, but SHOW DEVICE said 11 errors on that  > disk.  ANALYZE/ERROR tells me:  >    SCSI CMD = Unknown SCSI Cmd >    Status = Good2 >    Extended Sense = Aborted Command, RAM Failure# > 11 of these messages were logged.  > : > I exercise the disk a bit, and get no errors.  I perform2 > an ANALYZE/DISK and unlike the report on the Vax4 > I get no errors.  Now I'm stumped.  To make things5 > even stranger, after mounting the old Vax data disk 0 > on the Alpha and again performing ANALYZE/DISK5 > I get no errors, unlike the Vax.  So now I'm doubly 4 > stumped.  I even created some files on both disks, > and still no errors. > 8 > I find it hard to believe that both disks would go bad7 > within a few days of each other.  By the way, the old 7 > data disk was an external disk, with a separate power 	 > supply.  > ( > Can anyone make any sense out of this? > 3 > Question...  Can I perform on the Alpha, an image 3 > copy of my Vax system disk to a new disk and then 4 > boot the Vax from this new disk, or will I have to0 > use an intermediate media, like tape?  Is that > confusing enough.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:24:20 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ) Message-ID: <3F578347.6993507E@istop.com>   L > >> Here's an improvement I'd like to see in DCL -- a way to write to a MBAQ > >> device which does the equivalent of IO$_WRITEVBLK | IO$M_NOW |IO$M_NORSWAIT. N > >> DCL's WRITE command seems to wait for the message to be read on the other > >> end before continuing.   K I concur. Having a terminal get "stuck" in a write statement requiring that N you kill the process because you can't ctrl-y out of it is extremely annoying.) Same for a READ statement from a mailbox.   K (ok, I know the trick to open another window where you open the mailbox for I read and capture the mailbox message the first process has been trying to - write for ages also works but is cumbersome).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:28:06 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ) Message-ID: <3F578429.FA2224DE@istop.com>    Syltrem wrote: > N > I agree those may be fine statements, but I would prefer having new featuresI > in DCL rather than having new constructs to make stuff "more readable".    That is a fair point.     C > Ability to communicate with other processes by the mean of TCP/IP  > etc   6 $OPEN/READ/WRITE tempfil "tcpip::www.chocolate.com:80"   would be excellent.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 21:54:23 +0300 " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? % Message-ID: <3F578A5F.E0A679D@hp.com>   = Floating point is another feature currently being considered.    Guy    JF Mezei wrote:    > Guy Peleg wrote:A > > We currently thinking about "user written lexical functions".  > > > <font size=2000, style=(hyper-bold, blinking, reverse_video) > YES 	 > </font>  > N > Another thing that would be neat is the ability to build the equivalent of aO > shareable image in a library file. In the above case, you'd have a .elb  file K > (executable library) containing the user written lexical functions, which - > would make it easy to add/remove functions.  > P > This way, you could pickup a lexical function from a trusted source and easilyM > install it on your system without having to recompile and relink everything 1 > else into a single traditional shareable image.  > N > > Other things that are being considered are lexical functions with multiple > > item codes and 64bit > > support in symbols.  > M > Any thought about supporting floating point symbols and arithmetic in DCL ?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:10:40 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEIDHOAA.tom@kednos.com>   B Why not port bc from unix and pipe to it?  You will end with quiteD an interpreter.  Regina REXX is also available for VMS and you mightG lift some useful things out of there, unfortunately it is written in C.    >-----Original Message----- * >From: Guy Peleg [mailto:guy.peleg@hp.com], >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:54 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? >  > > >Floating point is another feature currently being considered. >  >Guy >  >JF Mezei wrote: >  >> Guy Peleg wrote: B >> > We currently thinking about "user written lexical functions". >>? >> <font size=2000, style=(hyper-bold, blinking, reverse_video)  >> YES
 >> </font> >>? >> Another thing that would be neat is the ability to build the  >equivalent of aC >> shareable image in a library file. In the above case, you'd have 
 >a .elb  file L >> (executable library) containing the user written lexical functions, which. >> would make it easy to add/remove functions. >>? >> This way, you could pickup a lexical function from a trusted  >source and easilyC >> install it on your system without having to recompile and relink  >everything 2 >> else into a single traditional shareable image. >>A >> > Other things that are being considered are lexical functions  >with multiple >> > item codes and 64bit  >> > support in symbols. >>: >> Any thought about supporting floating point symbols and >arithmetic in DCL ? >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:29:25 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ) Message-ID: <3F579283.BDDFAE01@istop.com>    Tom Linden wrote:  > , > Why not port bc from unix and pipe to it?   I If you really want VMS to take off big time, port Microsoft Office to VMS N (cough, shudder). Disable/remove all the dangerous features and all those thatM don't abide by standards and then make it a robust trustable system. You'd be A selling VMS workstations by the tens of thousands to enterprises.   E VMS would have a working Office while Linux would be left out to dry.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:56:30 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? 5 Message-ID: <1030904152655.3498A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ! On 4 Sep 2003, Bob Koehler wrote:   U > In article <bj5ll1$1m9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, Alan <alan@nospam.com> writes:  > >  > > = > > How about... Making the OpenVMS FTP server work correctly > > > with all the other OS browsers, such as Microsoft IE, and 7 > > Linux browsers (Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, etc...).  > = >    I don't see how any piece of software can be expected to : >    compensate for all the bugs in all the other software> >    out there, including a large number which ignore the RFP. > : >    The bugs are in IE et. al., and they should be fixed.  D They're not really bugs.  The problem is the FTP RFC doesn't specifyA the format of the information returned by "DIR" command (actually ? the LIST command at the FTP protocol level.)  Most Unix systems ? implement it by spawning and "ls -l" command, but the format of & its output isn't well-defined, either.  A Browsers and graphical FTP clients (i.e. WS-FTP) use a collection @ of ad hoc rules to try to parse the directory output (figure out@ what part is the file name, what part is the size, whether it is2 in bytes of blocks, parse the various dates, etc.)  > Interactive character cell clients don't bother, since the let the user's brain figure it out.   @ Some FTP servers can be told to present their directory listings1 in various formats, to try to make clients happy.   = The real cure for this is for "them" to define a standard for 2 FTP directory listings that everyone can stick to.  * Does anyone know if this is fixed in sftp?   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:16:39 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: Do we need a DCL debugger? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIGHOAA.tom@kednos.com>   ; My comment was in reference to doing arithmetic in dcl, why > not let some other process handle it rather than expanding dcl to such an extent.   >-----Original Message----- 2 >From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com], >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:29 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? >  >  >Tom Linden wrote: >>  - >> Why not port bc from unix and pipe to it?   > J >If you really want VMS to take off big time, port Microsoft Office to VMSA >(cough, shudder). Disable/remove all the dangerous features and   >all those that > >don't abide by standards and then make it a robust trustable  >system. You'd be B >selling VMS workstations by the tens of thousands to enterprises. > F >VMS would have a working Office while Linux would be left out to dry. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:29:35 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ( Message-ID: <3F57A0AF.5040802@rdrop.com>   John Santos wrote:  ? > The real cure for this is for "them" to define a standard for 4 > FTP directory listings that everyone can stick to. > , > Does anyone know if this is fixed in sftp?  I Isn't sftp just FTP over SSL? In which case, wouldn't "they" need to fix   the FTP RFC (959) first?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:09:21 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? - Message-ID: <87znhkqvce.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> writes:  K >    o The ability to execute a command procedure directly out of a library & >      (e.g. @package.tlb/module=doit)  / @FOO/LB:START (.clb defaulted for command libs)   E If no starting module is given, one called .MAIN. is searched for and  used.   B A command library is a standard text library, so that bit is done.  F Oh yes... Because of the way it was done, the library code was in factD in the IO code, not the comand parser, so there was the undocumented: feature that you could also .OPEN lbr modules :) for free.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:41:52 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? A Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030904144007.00bcf250@raptor.psccos.com>   * At 02:29 PM 9/4/2003, Dean Woodward wrote: >John Santos wrote:  > ? >>The real cure for this is for "them" to define a standard for 4 >>FTP directory listings that everyone can stick to., >>Does anyone know if this is fixed in sftp? > J >Isn't sftp just FTP over SSL? In which case, wouldn't "they" need to fix  >the FTP RFC (959) first?   E It depends on what you mean by "sftp".  There was a "real" secure-FTP H spec that I don't think ever went anyplace much.  SFTP as implemented asH part of an SSH package actually uses the SSH client and server processesD as intermediaries to actually perform things like authentication and$ data encryption/transfer/decryption.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:56:58 +1200 / From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 8 Message-ID: <tggflvg4upmtlcd1ovec1jfsktjdkltcmk@4ax.com>  . On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:09:22 GMT, Ken Robinson <sendspamhere@rbnsn.com> wrote:   E >Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in news:3F55DAA1.A38E175A@hp.com:  >  >>  F >> The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be0 >> added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2). >>  G >> We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will * >> be useful. It won't be as sophisticatedF >> as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine >> and set break.  > I >I think that this is a very good idea. With it, I wouldn't need to keep  , >re-inventing the wheel with each procedure. > H >Other suggestions for DCL ... (I know you didn't ask, but why not :-) ) >  >1) a for loop construct   An ElseIF would be handy, too    >2) a switch construct >3) more that 8 parameters >  >Probably others...   7 Command line editing over multiple (ie, wrapped) lines.   E Ability to easily change the default SUBMIT behaviour to /NOPRINT - I E know there are workarounds, but it is frustrating to wonder where the E log file has gone, then realise that it has been printed and deleted. 5 Does anyone actually want their log files doing this?    > 
 >Ken Robinson      ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:44:36 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3F5806A4.A555F66F@fsi.net>    Martin Hunt wrote: > [snip] > An ElseIF would be handy, too    As in:   $ IF	condition $ THEN $	statement(s) $ ELSE	IF	condition  $	THEN $		statement(s)  $	ENDIF  $ ENDIF    ...?   > [snip]G > Ability to easily change the default SUBMIT behaviour to /NOPRINT - I G > know there are workarounds, but it is frustrating to wonder where the G > log file has gone, then realise that it has been printed and deleted. 7 > Does anyone actually want their log files doing this?   B One not-so-obvious work-around for that is to not have a SYS$PRINT queue.  E You can also use the VERB utility to extract the definition of SUBMIT G and change the default value of the PRINT qualifier to be the name of a  non-existant queue.   % More than one way to skin that cat...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:38:57 +1200 / From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 8 Message-ID: <584glvodb8q35msfmdjq0ekeuq8llp4h5s@4ax.com>  7 On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:44:36 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >Martin Hunt wrote: 	 >> [snip]   >> An ElseIF would be handy, too >  >As in:  >  >$ IF	condition  >$ THEN  >$	statement(s)  >$ ELSE	IF	condition >$	THEN  >$		statement(s) >$	ENDIF >$ ENDIF >   B Yes, but without the need for the extra ENDIF - if you indent yourA code for each IF, you end up close to the right hand side after a  while.     >...?  > 	 >> [snip] H >> Ability to easily change the default SUBMIT behaviour to /NOPRINT - IH >> know there are workarounds, but it is frustrating to wonder where theH >> log file has gone, then realise that it has been printed and deleted.8 >> Does anyone actually want their log files doing this? > C >One not-so-obvious work-around for that is to not have a SYS$PRINTi >queue.2  B We don't, but SYS$PRINT is defined as a logical. At other places ID have worked, this has not been defined for batch jobs. At my presentB place of work, it is defined because some procedures want to print reports to the default printer.eC I generally leave it undefined or defined as Null or similar. But Ii? sometimes submit jobs under other usernames and get caught out.d   > F >You can also use the VERB utility to extract the definition of SUBMITH >and change the default value of the PRINT qualifier to be the name of a >non-existant queue.  ? And then remember to do it again after an upgrade. Upgrades areaC infrequent, which gives plenty of time to forget about these littled things.  > & >More than one way to skin that cat...< I know. I think I will just define the symbol "SUBMIT" to be "SUBMIT/NOPRINT".    ---n Martin Huntu Systems AdministratorM Fairfax New Zealand Limitede
 Wellington New Zealandp   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:45:31 -0500 + From: Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net>   Subject: Re: HSZTERM and HSZ22 ?- Message-ID: <3F57EABB.E14C8A21@bellsouth.net>W   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:u >  > Hi. F > Anyone been using HSZTERM together with a RA3000 (HSZ22 controler) ? >   C I don't think you can.  It doesn't show a console device.  Also thes serial> interface to the HSZ22 is very limited.  You have to use SWCC.  G We bought one of them and after trying to get it setup I vowed never tos useg
 one again!   Shaelb   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:23:13 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived2 Message-ID: <ceCcne6-fLNYgMWiXTWJkA@metrocast.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messager# news:3F575C5E.2D89D140@istop.com...t > Bill Todd wrote:F > > When Intel announced that Merced was a flop before it even hit the streets,K > > Itanic fanboys chorused "Just wait for McKinley!"  When McKinley failedg toK > > stir any greater market interest, they shouted "Just wait for Madison!">J > > What's Itanic waiting for *now* that will - oh, so incontrovertibly! -$ > > demonstrate its manifest destiny >o >oJ > In fairness, didn't HP only just recently announce its IA64 product lineJ > (Integrity stuff) ? prior to this announcement, it would seem to me that HPJ > only had token demo systems available to select developpers, which would > explain very low sales.h  F HP was selling its McKinley systems for the full year under discussionH (July, 2002 - June, 2003).  There was some indication that they may haveL been somewhat difficult to come by prior to September, 2002 (a suggestion ofJ a 'paper launch' that was vigorously denied by the Itanic fanboys), but by1 mid-autumn they appeared to be readily available.:  L While those were only 2- and 4-processor systems, those systems were exactlyH the kind predicted (even as recently as last year) to take the commodityG world by storm (*large* Itanic systems being even less 'commodities' inIL nature than large Xeon systems).  They were the systems expected to generateJ the volume that would make Itanic profitable at near-IA32 price levels andD thus cause it to become the same kind of de facto industry standard.  I And they fell flat on their faces, generating little more market interestoJ than the pathetic Merced systems that Intel had publicly denigrated beforeA even making that processor available.  It wasn't because of lousy H performance:  while the McKinley chips were large and power-hungry, theyB performed competitively.  It wasn't because they were ridiculouslyF over-priced:  while they weren't bargains, their price/performance wasF competitive with the existing RISC contenders.  It wasn't because theyH lacked the cachet (so to speak) of a Microsoft OS:  stable 64-bit Itanic7 Windows releases have existed for close to 2 years now.s  J It certainly appears to have been because they offered exactly zero reasonH get people to switch from their current platforms.  No one seems to haveJ been all that gung-ho to run 64-bit Windows (the one feature that no otherL platform offered).  They didn't offer *superior* performance in anything butL FP-style code (and even there not necessarily superior *price*-performance).J They weren't notably less expensive than other entry-level 64-bit systems.  L And while HP didn't offer large Itanic systems until last month, others did.K SGI started shipping them in January, and IIRC NEC (and Bull?) even earlieraG (last fall?).  Their *combined* quarterly system shipments appear to bec expressible in 2 digits.   >sK > To put things in perspective, how many Alphas CHIPS were sold/produced ing thea" > year 2000 ? (prior to alphacide)  I Terry Shannon used to quote 100K as the number of Alpha *systems* shippedvJ annually.  Recently, he may have amended that to 100K Alpha *processors* -K but even if that's true it's still close to an order of magnitude more thangB Itanic's apparent ship rate, and considering that Alpha was such a0 low-volume product that it had to be scrapped...   >y: > In an enterprise environment, isn't 3000 a fair number ?   No.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:11:37 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP. Message-ID: <1030904160337.3498B@Ives.egh.com>  2 On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  \ > In article <00A25643.410504A6.7@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:6 > >keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: > >{...snip...}k > >tQ > >The one other complaint about registration I had was that once again there wasuP > >no mention of vms (as usual).  They wanted to know my area of interest and ofI > >course I *have* no interest in HP other than their role as the currentIP > >caretaker of VMS.  So I wasn't sure exactly what to enter.  I think I finallyO > >selected itanium.  But of course they will assume that means itanium runningn > >billy shit or unix shit.r > K > But you've got to be running Billy shit in order to become a DSPP member.pL > I had my former ASAP/CSA contact (Mr. Groves, I believe) handle getting meK > a pseudo-registration -- that meaning I don't know if I'm a DSPP partner iL > or not but they did process my VMS SDK subscription.  For that I am thank-M > ful.  Beyond the SDK, I haven't a clue what is offered by the DSPP program.u0 > Apparently, I'm getting my money's worth... ;)  I Earlier this afternoon, I renewed my company's membership...  (The personeH who used to do this is no longer with the company, so I had to get added in as an appropriate contact.)  F Using a PowerBook (OS X), Safari, I got myself added as a user but wasE unable to select my company from the "Partners" list.  There is a boxcH that says "Select one" with a dropdown list.  After repeatedly scrollingG down the list (hundreds of companies before the "E"'s, which I guess is:H good news), to reach us, it refused to select the company.  I eventuallyD gave up and completed the registration using Internet Exploder (alsoJ on the Mac.)  I felt unclean :-(  The whole process took about 45 minutes.  G I had an HP person on the phone the whole time, giving me advice.  Fromr< her comments, I think everyone who renews goes through this.   > K > FYI, I sat in on a "round-table" discussion about DSPP in Atlanta and theoL > majority of the other attendees in the discussion were also clueless aboutK > what DSPP offers them.  With ASAP, I know what the program provided.  CSAYL > had me shut out because its password protected pages never worked -- like-. > ly another Billy shit requirement there too.   -- I John Santosi Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 11:19:05 -0700e1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)p0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0309041019.712ad4d5@posting.google.com>t  B The customer does use DCPS and does consider any information about- their environment as a competitive advantage.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue2      | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01L09IFZ480YAOOLBD@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...J > > Sue, it woudl be interesting to have more information about this. DoesK > > the application just generate postscript that is then sent to the laser*M > > printers ? or is this a true printing with lithographic process etc etc? w > > L > > What software on the VMS side is used to support the printing ? just theI > > normal VMS print queues ? DCPS, or do they have proprietary system tosK > > capture output to file and then copy the files over the net to the high  > > end printers?  > 4 > Hey, it's just a pearl, not the whole oyster.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:04:39 -0700c% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>a0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Enterprise printing( Message-ID: <3F578CC7.7060306@rdrop.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote:  D > The customer does use DCPS and does consider any information about/ > their environment as a competitive advantage.   3 VMS is a "competitive advantage". Whodathunkit? ;-)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:51:47 GMTf' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates8 Message-ID: <b7gflvo9rvuh1upth4sl7d6tbf581j7pg8@4ax.com>   "Dave Weatherall" wrote:  D Sounds like the RSX-11M editor  EDI. On an 11/60 with only 128MW of D RAM and more than two users, EDT felt painfully slow, so I stuck to A EDI. And then came VAX and VMS so EDT became the norm. Now I use  
 Anker's SEDT.e   John Sauter responded:  A I'm sorry to hear that EDT was painfully slow.  We tuned it for a A PDP-11/05 with one or two users, and I thought it was acceptable,eA but everyone has different expectations.  Certainly it was fastere on the VAX.h  > I was the project leader for EDT version 3, and the person who> enticed me to move to New Hampshire, Alton Ryder, was involved with the PDP-11/60.c%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:55:32 GMT3' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net>k$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates8 Message-ID: <ahgflv83nus3higj2pe93u8nphr16aba63@4ax.com>   Harti Brandt wrote:a  A We used EDT on a 128kw machine with six terminals. It took me twobE weeks to feed all the EDT objects through DOB, edit them to make themmB compileable with MAC and make a shared library out of most of EDT.E This left even space for an OMSI pascal V2 when 4 people were working  in EDT on that machine..   John Sauter responded:  E We divided EDT into lots of modules so we could overlay it on a smalltC PDP-11.  On the VAX it was always a shared library.  What operating,- system were you using?  What are DOB and MAC?i%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 14:09:13 -0700o( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)B Subject: Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309041309.17fc840e@posting.google.com>   Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bhg2a4$4aa$1@lore.csc.com>...  > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:n > > D > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote: > > >Nic Clews wrote:- >  IG > > >The object libraries linked OK on [Alpha] 7.2-2 as well (I did not K > > >attempt a build). It provides support for up to 8192 bit key length ast2 > > >well as an impressive array of compatibility. > > M > > Disastry reported a problem verifying signatures on keys when he built its1 > > here, I don't know if that was ever resolved.w > F > If someone can reproduce the problem or knows more about the issues,* > I'll give it a shot with this version...  = I would like to compile this under c 6.0 on alpha 7.1-1h2 ...  will this work?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:47:25 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: PWS 500 questioni@ Message-ID: <00e78a774ca76b7f080af7e028860694@news.teranews.com>  = In article <d0141774.0309040537.2c735b2d@posting.google.com>, &  issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) wrote:   > Take a look at this...N > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751164078&category=179 >  > Is this a 500a or a 500au? > Will it run VMS?  H Probably.  You'll need to acquire a compatible graphics card unless you F want to run headless.  Depending on which IDE chipset it has (and the B ad doesn't tell you) you may or may not be able boot from the IDE G CD-ROM.  I believe the chipset details are in the FAQ, or certainly in  D many previous discussions in this newsgroup.  So, you might have to H replace the CD-ROM drive with a compatible SCSI one.  128M of memory is D not much by today's standards but you should be able to run a basic  configuration.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 14:56:06 -0700l$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Re: PWS 500 question = Message-ID: <d0141774.0309041356.706907aa@posting.google.com>y  b lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<bj7r7m$sjq$2@newslocal.mitre.org>... > issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes in article <d0141774.0309040537.2c735b2d@posting.google.com> dated 4 Sep 2003 06:37:39 -0700:  > >Take a look at this... O > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751164078&category=179  > >a > >Is this a 500a or a 500au?i > >Will it run VMS?t > L > I have a 500au in my office which clearly says 500a on the front.  In thisL > case I would believe the BIOS.  Even if it's a 500a, you can probably make > VMS run on it. > N > Assuming the previous owner was running NT or Linux on it, the video card isG > probably not VMS compatible.  Usually those will still work as a text.N > console.  I picked up an Elsa Gloria Synergy card for $50 on Ebay.  It works) > great (but not very fast) in the 500au.  > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgr@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  F I've also got a 433au which doesn't boot and was definitely being usedD as a VMS workstation prior to breaking (I think it must be somethingC on the motherboard that is faulty). Presumably in this case I couldtF salvage the graphics card, memory, etc from the 433 into the 500. *Or*A could I pull the motherboard from the 500 and put it into the 433 B chassis? Which would make more sense? What is the best permutation here?L   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:08:34 GMT ; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>i( Subject: Re: read on socket returns zero< Message-ID: <mmR5b.35835$Nc.8123598@news1.news.adelphia.net>  : "Bhushan Narkhede" <bhushann@hotmail.com> wrote in message6 news:8a3b834.0309040529.7d6c345d@posting.google.com...F > Thing is the Accept on server timesout(on Windows) and the socket is closed.sG > Due to which the read is receiving zero and the connection is closed.n  J You didn't set the socket nonblocking, did you?  This would be the typical return if no data is present.u  H The return of zero indicates the read failed for some reason.  What's in errno?   -Johni     >h- > The Client with the read call (on VMS) is :: >  > UCX> sh vers >/B >   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 56 >   on a AlphaStation 255/233 running OpenVMS V7.1-1H1 >t >oA > Is there an issue with this particular release/path of VMS/UCX.d >r- > Another machine with following works fine :g > UCX> sho verso >oB >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 17 >   on a AlphaServer 800 5/333 running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2  >L > Rgds,o	 > Bhushand >  >  >r= > "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message 9 news:<2wD3b.70402$bo1.5478@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...oL > > Unless I miss the point of your question... from the docs you will see a? > > return value of 0 means the peer has closed the connection.  > >a	 > > Matt.  > > -- rA > > -------------------------------------------------------------  > > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > > Enterprise Computing Group > > Hewlett-Packard Companyy > > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAeA > > -------------------------------------------------------------  > >Y > >R> > > "Bhushan Narkhede" <bhushann@hotmail.com> wrote in message: > > news:8a3b834.0308280829.6e4b5c71@posting.google.com...	 > > > Hi,e > > >w. > > >    I am working on a vms socket program.J > > > During the initial connection there is a successful read of 16 bytes than8 > > > during 2nd read on the socket fd, it returns zero.2 > > > What could be the possible reasons for this. > > >e > > > Regards, > > > Bn   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 20:12 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)i! Subject: Re: SMTP and DECnet maile, Message-ID: <4SEP200320122259@gerg.tamu.edu>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes... }"Keith A. Lewis" wrote:C }> >chef@pastry.chocolate.com  being received by "cake" (acting forp }> >chocolate.com) }> kM }> You can do that with the right "MX" records on chocolate.com's DNS server.g } ? }But then node PASTRY needs its own SMTP server. OR, if I pointVM }pastry.chocolate.com to node CAKE, then cake thinks that user "chef" belongse	 }to cake.   D Not necessarilly. The original "To:" address in the message is stillC probably the same. Whether or not you can make use of this info mayoI be in doubt - it would depend on what your MTA and/or application can do.E  E As long as there is only one "chef" username, you can just forward ityG to the right place, which is easy if the mail hub is running VMS (whichKJ it must be since you mentioned sending it over DECnet, and who else reallyE runs that these days?) you set the forwarding for the chef account incG VMS MAIL to "PASTRY::CHEF". Then when CAKE tries to deliver the messageoG to the (nonexistant) local user "chef" it finds the VMS MAIL forwardingnG (you can set up forwarding for a username that does not exist) and doesoF the right thing. This should work fine with the SMTP server that comesJ with TCPIP Services (or any of the equivalents in the other IP stacks that run on VMS).  G If there is more than one such user "chef" on different systems handled1G by the mail hub, you need an MTA that parses the entire "to" address toD' see what it should do with the message.3  E PMDF can certainly do what you want (and then some). If the main maileD hub is running it and every system in the domain has an MX record inF the DNS that points the mail for that system to the mail hub then PMDFF will handle all forwarding (including over DECnet, if desired) withoutC much difficulty (once you get used to how it works - getting it setoG up in the first place would require reading quite a few pages of info). D It has extensive facilities for parsing the message's envelope "To:"E address and figuring out where the message should go including simple.F redirection, rule based rewriting of the address to get new addresses,F table and database lookups, LDAP lookups, and the ability to call userF written programs to determine what to do with the message. Perhaps theI main disadvantage is that even the minimal (5000 message per day capacity G appears to be the minimum capacity license) PMDF license is, I believe,nD more expensive than something like the commercial verison of MX (andG obviously more than just using the bundled TCPIP services SMTP server).xH It is possible (I would say "probably", actually) that MX has facilities@ that are sufficient for doing this as well - I've never used theE commercial version so I'm not sure. (For that matter, the SMTP serverlG that comes with TCPIP Services may be sufficient. The situation doesn'te, sound all that complex, as these things go.)  O }> Hmmm, I don't see a compelling reason in there to use Decnet.  Why not writes? }> your mail-enabled app as a SMTP server which runs on pastry?l } O }Because if the system on pastry is to receive connections from anywhere in the O }world, it will need to handle a whole bunch of logic which the dec SMTP serverC0 }does (for instance, anti-spam measures etc etc)  D An SMTP enabled application on "pastry" could check to see where theD connection is coming from and drop any that are not from the allowed@ list of nodes - you certainly don't need to accept anything fromA anywhere in the world other than the systems on your accept list.:   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 21:45:29 -0500:( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>+ Subject: Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IVn2 Message-ID: <jdadnUp4QbaEZMqiXTWc-w@speakeasy.net>   Dirk Munk wrote: > Michael Moroney wrote: >  >>H >> DECnet IV is routable just fine, HOWEVER, I do not think Alphas couldF >> ever be anything other than end nodes.  So you'll need either a VAXI >> of some sort, or one of the Cisco/modified DECserver/whatever boxes tol >> actually do so. >  > I > As others have stated, the DECnet-plus stack on VMS can do routing for  + > DECnet Phase IV and DECnet Phase V / OSI.e > H > I have set up two Alphaservers DS10 purely as X.25 gateway and DECnet 3 > router. In effect they are DECnis replacements. !  >   F When Phase V was being (pre?)-introduced we attended several seminars G about it, and the fact that a dedicated routing box would be mandatory  E (because the systems themselves would not do it) was clearly stated. iI Glad DEC changed their minds (not surprised though, since I'm sure a lot >E of companies echoed mine in being quite unhappy with that situation).i   Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:35:20 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: UCX - how do I see which sockets are in use? > Message-ID: <YvT5b.83714$bo1.60170@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   G'day there JF.e  L > Hey Mr Muggeridge, how goes the surfing these days ? Or do you consider it is  > still too cold to go surfing ?  H Ahh yes... the weather is warming up and the surf is enticing.  Hey, youJ might see me on the webcam... http://coastalwatch.com  where I go to checkH out the conditions before leaving the driveway.  One of my favourites is
 Currumbin.   -- o= -------------------------------------------------------------a OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companya Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAe= -------------------------------------------------------------     7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messages# news:3F575F66.43A06B6E@istop.com...s > Matt Muggeridge wrote: > >g > > It requires two steps: > >  > >     1) $ tcpip show dev- > >     2) $ show deve >h >4 > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)r   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 16:28:54 -0700r" From: mouat@triumf.ca (Mike Mouat)G Subject: Re: Using multiple Radeon 7500 PCI cards in a DS10 running VMSc= Message-ID: <995241af.0309041528.50454c4c@posting.google.com>c  s "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<Nso5b.3965$tM5.3614@news.cpqcorp.net>...w1 > "Mike Mouat" <mouat@triumf.ca> wrote in messages9 > news:995241af.0309021645.4650b4a5@posting.google.com...e  C >>We have used multiple 3DLabs VX1 graphics cards in a DS10 running F >>VMS. Unfortunately we appear to see a bug (graphics freeze for up toC >>a minute) when X windows graphics are sent quickly to one or moretF >>screens (this hangup does not happen when the same graphics are sent* >>to a VXT2000 or to a PC running XWin32).  = >First I've heard of this.  Do you have a support contract?     E We have support for VMS and DMQ but I don't think we have support ford: Motif (the person with the contracts is away for a month).   >Please file a bug report.    ? In the old days I would sent off an SPR. I am not sure what theu
 equivalentD is these days (without a contract for support) but I am willingly toF document what we see and send the information on. If the 3DLabs VX1 isB nearing end-of-life then the effort to chase a potential bug, not F previously seen before, may not be warranted by HP. If you would like D me to report this issue, please let me know the appropriate channel  and I will be happy to proceed.    >Do you have a reproducer?  D It can not be reproduced at will so I cannot provide a piece of code thatF "immediately" demostrates the problem. The problem can be demostrated C within a finite time (wait a few seconds up to a minute or two). If- desired,; I can speak with some of our programmers about stubbing oute specialized codeC and trying to produce a configuration that someone else can run andN see theG> problem. Our X window display application is part of a package (several1 shared images, PCI hardware you won't have, etc).t   >What version of VMS?     	 VMS 7.3-1t   >Version of Motif?     DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6   & >Is it normal multi-head or Panaramix?  B I think it must be a normal multi-head, just 2 or 3 VX1s in a DS10 runningeF standalone (This problem also happens with just one head).I don't know what Panaramix is.  ? >Is there anything unusual in the DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG file?e   No.M   >>We bought a Radeon 7500 boarduE >>and installed it and the new driver. With one card in the system it D >>runs well and the freeze-ups are gone. If we put a second card in E >>the DS10, the console recognizes both cards (GHA0 and GHB0) and at nD >>system  boot the system sees both devices but neither screen goes E >>into graphics mode when the boot is complete. One screen goes into C< >>serial mode. The console has its "console" variable set to
 "graphics"E >>and is running firmware version 6.5. Are multiple Radeon 7500s not g >>supported?  A >Correct.  The primary requirement for the initial kit was singlet
 headed AGP >graphics on EV7 systems.s  B >> If they are not currently supported will they be in the future? >>  : >In about 3-4 weeks.  We are in final qual for multi-head.  
 Good news.  " Thank you very much for your help,   Mike   ------------------------------  ' Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:22 +0100 (BST) 9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald)eW Subject: VMS is being ported to Itanium - but will there be any support when it arrivestA Message-ID: <memo.20030904212235.1004A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>n  N If a reference in the Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11369) is L correct then HP is laying off so many of its tech support staff that by the P time OpenVMS Itanium is a full commercial grade product, there may be no demand ; for it as the required support level will not be available.:  K (This is not a dig at OpenVMS engineering who seem to be doing their usual  K superb job but a reflection on the fact that you need a good customer tech  3 support staff if you want people to buy the system)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:21:10 -0400. From: "Rob Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com>Y Subject: Re: VMS is being ported to Itanium - but will there be any support when it arrivo+ Message-ID: <bj8ob6$2ji$1@bob.news.rcn.net>e   Duncan Macdonald <duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:memo.20030904212235.1004A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk...O > If a reference in the Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11369) is M > correct then HP is laying off so many of its tech support staff that by thetQ > time OpenVMS Itanium is a full commercial grade product, there may be no demandu= > for it as the required support level will not be available.- >-L > (This is not a dig at OpenVMS engineering who seem to be doing their usualL > superb job but a reflection on the fact that you need a good customer tech5 > support staff if you want people to buy the system)/  E That perspective neglects to take into account that many of us formeroA DEC employees are still in the business of supporting VMS systemst: and are gearing up to support Alpha to Itanium migrations.  	 Rob Lyonss Resilient Systems Inc.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:17:02 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>a2 Subject: VMS Technical Update (presenter's notes?): Message-ID: <4CQ5b.11120$Kj.1093688@news20.bellglobal.com>  J I attended the two day OpenVMS Strategy & Directions" technical seminar inH Ottawa (June 25/26). The live presentation was "very" worthwhile but theN second day was a little rushed. That's when the Canadian Compaq (CANACU) folksH told us not to worry because the presenter's power point slides would be7 available for download from the CANACU web site at URL: 1 http://www.canacu.org/events-techsem-ottawa03.htm   G More than 10 weeks have passed and photos have been added to the CANACU M site but no presenter's notes can be found. I've given up sending them emails  wondering what's going on.  L Has anyone published the presenter's notes from any of the subsequent shows?  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,1 Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2003 19:40:33 -070005 From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp (Hiroyuki Tanaka) ) Subject: [Q] Learning to use Queues in C.n= Message-ID: <68cfa44d.0309041840.67290022@posting.google.com>g  
 Dear Readers,y  H I am trying to learn how to use VMS self relative queues under VMS in C.G I am planning to setup a list of free buffers and remove these buffers uG from the free queue as I need them and insert them into a in-use queue.u  G I am attempting to convert my program from FORTRAN to C, but I keep on  F getting a SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND which seems pretty terminal for my process.   Inserting item: 0h Inserting item: 1rE %SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND, reserved operand fault at PC=80458268, PS=0000001Bt/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsnM  Image Name   Module Name     Routine Name    Line Number  rel PC      abs PCeN                                                         0 80458268    80458268N  QDEMO        QDEMO           main                   5848 00000144    00020144N  QDEMO        QDEMO           __main                    0 0000006C    0002006CN                                                         0 82E04170    82E04170  $ Here is the code I am trying to use.   #include <libdef.h>  #include <ssdef.h> #include <stsdef.h>t #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h>l #include <lib$routines.h>-    void main(int argc, char **argv) {,     unsigned long int retstat;
     int i;       struct recordo     {i        int data;     };       struct queueitem     {-!         unsigned long int *flink; !         unsigned long int *blink;E         struct record record;s     };       struct queueheader     {n!         unsigned long int *flink; !         unsigned long int *blink;      };  8     struct queueheader _align(QUADWORD) header  = {0,0};  4     struct queueitem   _align(QUADWORD) freelist[5];     struct queueitem remove;       for ( i = 0; i < 5; i++ )n     {          freelist[i].flink = 0;         freelist[i].blink = 0;$         freelist[i].record.data = i;A         printf( "Inserting item: %d\n", freelist[i].record.data);P<         retstat = LIB$INSQTI(&freelist[i].flink,  &header );     }; }o    3 Could it be explained what I am doing wrong in C.  u& I am using VMS 6.2 and C 6.5 on Alpha.@ Are there any demo programs that show the usage of VMS internal  self-relative queues.    Thanks t   Tanaka   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:49:18 GMT.0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>- Subject: Re: [Q] Learning to use Queues in C. > Message-ID: <2JT5b.83724$bo1.12637@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  K Your queueitem contains the record structure which is not quadword in size. D Since you have this in an array, only the first element will be quadE aligned.  The remaining array items will appear at long-word offsets.w  0 One way to fix this simple demo program is with:       struct recorde     {         int data;/        int pad;  /* make it quadword aligned */D     };  J So, you need to ensure every element of the array is quadword aligned, notK just the first element.  There are different strategies for achieving that, * but I think this should give you the idea.   Matt.a   -- M= -------------------------------------------------------------t OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyt Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAe= -------------------------------------------------------------?    B "Hiroyuki Tanaka" <Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp> wrote in message7 news:68cfa44d.0309041840.67290022@posting.google.com...o > Dear Readers,l >sJ > I am trying to learn how to use VMS self relative queues under VMS in C.H > I am planning to setup a list of free buffers and remove these buffersI > from the free queue as I need them and insert them into a in-use queue.  >sH > I am attempting to convert my program from FORTRAN to C, but I keep onH > getting a SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND which seems pretty terminal for my process. >  > Inserting item: 0h > Inserting item: 1eG > %SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND, reserved operand fault at PC=80458268, PS=0000001Bm1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsaL >  Image Name   Module Name     Routine Name    Line Number  rel PC      abs PCD >                                                         0 80458268 80458268D >  QDEMO        QDEMO           main                   5848 00000144 00020144D >  QDEMO        QDEMO           __main                    0 0000006C 0002006CD >                                                         0 82E04170 82E04170 >d& > Here is the code I am trying to use. >E > #include <libdef.h>- > #include <ssdef.h> > #include <stsdef.h>- > #include <stdio.h> > #include <stdlib.h>b > #include <lib$routines.h>t > " > void main(int argc, char **argv) > {   >     unsigned long int retstat; >     int i; >A >     struct recorde >     {t >        int data; >     }; >v >     struct queueitem >     {f# >         unsigned long int *flink;p# >         unsigned long int *blink;  >         struct record record;- >     }; >a >     struct queueheader >     { # >         unsigned long int *flink;.# >         unsigned long int *blink;f >     }; >d: >     struct queueheader _align(QUADWORD) header  = {0,0}; >e6 >     struct queueitem   _align(QUADWORD) freelist[5]; >     struct queueitem remove; >i >     for ( i = 0; i < 5; i++ )n >     {a  >         freelist[i].flink = 0;  >         freelist[i].blink = 0;& >         freelist[i].record.data = i;C >         printf( "Inserting item: %d\n", freelist[i].record.data);y> >         retstat = LIB$INSQTI(&freelist[i].flink,  &header ); >     }; > }l >  > 3 > Could it be explained what I am doing wrong in C.d( > I am using VMS 6.2 and C 6.5 on Alpha.A > Are there any demo programs that show the usage of VMS internalf > self-relative queues.e >t > Thanks >e > Tanaka   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.491 ************************