1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 07 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 495       Contents: Re: Compaq BASIC's optimizer Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk  Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk  Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?, Re: Documentation for $setenv system service Re: HP *ALMOST* Advertised VMS% Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived 1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products 1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products 1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products 1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products 1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products   Re: Philips CDR2600 and CDRECORD Re: PWS 500 question! Re: RDB Interactive SQL questions  test Re: The vmsnet hierarchy Re: The vmsnet hierarchy Re: The vmsnet hierarchyP Re: VMS is being ported to Itanium - but will there be any support when it arriv  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:10:53 +0100 6 From: Chris Townley <news@townleyc.nospam.demon.co.uk>% Subject: Re: Compaq BASIC's optimizer 8 Message-ID: <q5qklvcrpcto7jjrmh0t9mkudcqhie0r6l@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:44:59 -0400, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > > >"Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote in message3 >news:q937lvc8q9ephkh10hja63m52pugr5vl3v@4ax.com... > >> In reading the Dec Basic 1.1 reference manual regarding the= >> select statement, remark number 8, I don't think that what C >> was coded will generate an error.  It says:  "If ranges overlap, 9 >> the first match causes BASIC to execute the statements  >> in the CASE block." >>; >> I would conclude that what the original programmer wrote ; >> was probably a coding error, it was not a error from the 9 >> viewpoint of the compiler.  When you consider that the 6 >> CASE value can be an expression, rather than just a; >> literal, you will readily see that the compiler will not 1 >> check to make sure that each CASE value is not % >> overlapping or mutually exclusive.  >> > M >When we moved from VAX to Alpha I saw interesting things appear in the Alpha N >version of the complier (like the warning that is generated when the complierO >encounters line 4000) and I was some how under the impression that setting the J >optimization level to 4 would detect certain programmer errors like thoseL >encounter at lines 2000 and 3000. On the other hand I may be confusing this. >complier with a product from another company. > M >Also, for a while there I was under the impression that Compaq was trying to I >improve the efficiency of their compilers to make their Alphas look more H >desirable than machines sold by the competition (this is not a bad idea1 >anyway). Why build code that will never be used?  >   $ I would agree with the compiler here  D I have loads of inherited code, and I have used the same construct -	 consider:    SELECT TRUE 	 CASE a=1%  ... 	 CASE b=1%  ... 	 CASE ELSE  ... 
 END SELECT  : You can have many overlapping conditions. It IS documented   --   Chris  --  
 Chris Townley ) chris at townleyc dot demon dot co dot uk    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:29:12 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk5 Message-ID: <sZu6b.174286$2k4.1984096@news.chello.at>   Z In article <3F4DBD42.1643.D6A57FC@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:@ >Every time I attempt to defrag one of my IDE disks on my Alpha  >(running V7.3-1), I get:  > B >%DFG-F-MOVFILQIOERR, QIO error on movefile for volume _FAST$DQA0:( >-SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value >  >Any suggestions?    No real suggestion, only ideas  " 1.) Make a Backup, just to be sure 2.) ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR  3.) Try ECO 1 for DFG V2.7$ 4.) Upgrade to 7.3-2 and try DFG 2.8L 5.) Replace the IDE drive (SCSI live 6-10 years, while IDE live 6-10 months)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 04:37:24 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) & Subject: Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk( Message-ID: <bjecm4$tfc$1@pcls4.std.com>  8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  M >5.) Replace the IDE drive (SCSI live 6-10 years, while IDE live 6-10 months)   D Why would this be true?  I would assume the most expensive part of aD drive would be the HDA itself, and having two pairs of approx. XX GBH drives (one IDE and one SCSI) would be more expensive than one XX GB HDAL that they could outfit with either a SCSI or an IDE logic board.  Apparently this is not done.  Why?   C I know in earlier times Digital did something like this with drives E like the RZ73 (SCSI) and RF73 (DSSI).  I even created shadowsets from E these two and I think this is when shadowing required tracks, sectors 2 and cylinders to be identical, not just MAXBLOCKS. --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:14:35 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3F5A867B.BB2B96DF@fsi.net>    Martin Hunt wrote: > 9 > On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:44:36 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > >Martin Hunt wrote:  > >> [snip] " > >> An ElseIF would be handy, too > > 	 > >As in:  > >  > >$ IF   condition 	 > >$ THEN  > >$      statement(s) > >$ ELSE IF      condition  > >$      THEN > >$              statement(s) > >$      ENDIF 
 > >$ ENDIF > >  > D > Yes, but without the need for the extra ENDIF - if you indent yourC > code for each IF, you end up close to the right hand side after a  > while.  A Indenting is optional. See anything that's been processed through 9 DCLDIET. Adding a space rather than a TAB can help, also.   @ Whatever, just remember to count your IFs and have enough ENDIFsF properly placed to balance out. Rather like balancing quotes, paren.'s or braces ("{", "}").    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:27:19 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3F5A8977.4558C24A@fsi.net>    david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > ] > In article <3F5806A4.A555F66F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >Martin Hunt wrote:  > >> [snip] J > >> Ability to easily change the default SUBMIT behaviour to /NOPRINT - IJ > >> know there are workarounds, but it is frustrating to wonder where theJ > >> log file has gone, then realise that it has been printed and deleted.: > >> Does anyone actually want their log files doing this? > > E > >One not-so-obvious work-around for that is to not have a SYS$PRINT 	 > >queue.  > > H > >You can also use the VERB utility to extract the definition of SUBMITJ > >and change the default value of the PRINT qualifier to be the name of a > >non-existant queue. > > ( > >More than one way to skin that cat... > >  > L > How about SUBMIT/REMOTE to a queue other than sys$batch on the remote nodeM > together with a /NOLOG or /NOPRINT to stop getting log files printed on the  > remote node.   I might request that as:  A $ SUBMIT/REMOTE=(NODE=node_name,QUEUE=queue_name,USER=username) - , local_filespec/NOPRINT/PARA=(p1,p2,p3...,p8)  ? Note the lack of a PASSWORD keyword. It is assumed that a trust H relationship is already established as user X on node Y needs (at least)G read access to local_filespec on the local machine in order to complete E the SUBMIT on the remote node. local_filespec gets transferred to the H remote user's login directory and queued as a batch job with an implicitD /DELETE and a /LOG value of SUBMITting_user's_local_node::SYS$LOGIN:  5 That is, think of it more in terms of RPC for DECnet.   H ... On deeper thought (just came back from 10-100), maybe what we really) need is FAL for both DECnet and TCP/IP...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:30:21 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3F5A8A2D.BB446689@fsi.net>    Dave Weatherall wrote: > G > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:55:05 UTC, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  > wrote: > N > > > } OTOH, I don't see the point for FOR and WHILE or UNTIL loops, that can" > > > } easily be made with GOTOs, > > M > > If you implement FOR, WHILE , UNTIL loops, you should also implement some L > > BREAK statement that allows you to break out of the loop prematurely. Or2 > > something less conventional, but more elegant: > >  > > JUMPOUT label  > > K > > This would 1- reset the "I am in a loop", 2-branch to a specific label.  > > Q > > This would make it far more obvious what happens when you want to prematirely L > > leave the loop, instead of a BREAK statement which isn't so obvious what% > > exactly happens when it executes.  > > C > > On the other hand, with nested loops, it could get interesting.  > 4 > It's there already JF. It's GOTO label :-) (ducks) > A > Actually you're right with point 1. It might well also help the E > Parser/Interpreter get back to correct the nesting level or is that  > foolproof now Guy? > G > I used to have a nesting problem doing GOTO (backwards) to before the F > beginning of an IF/THEN/ENDIF block. I _presumed_ DCL knew where theE > label was and loaded the relevant block and line without correcting H > the nesting level, which in those days (5.n) was only reset by reading4 > forwards and checking the ensuing ENDIF statements   Quite.  C There was a "feature" where GOTO-ing out of an IF-THEN[-ELSE]-ENDIF H block within a loop would eventually fail as IF-nesting would exceed theE internal limit in DCL. This appears to have been fixed by some magic.   = However, to this day, I still try to avoid it whenever I can.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:43:39 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3F5A8D4B.271B2549@fsi.net>    Michael Lemke wrote: > X > On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:12:44 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > > Mark Berryman wrote: > > >  > > > Mark Berryman wrote: > > > > Guy Peleg wrote: > > > > L > > > >> The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be6 > > > >> added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2). > > > >>P > > > >> We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be- > > > >> useful. It won't be as sophisticated P > > > >> as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and > > > >> set break.  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > M > > > >   o I'd like a command (SET PROCESS/PARSE=PIPE_ASSUMED ?) that causes L > > > >     DCL parsing to always assume the command was prefixed with PIPE. > >  > > That WOULD be cool, yes. > E > Absolutely.  I am astonished it isn't there yet.  Seems so obvious.    A later thought: how 'bout:    $ SET [NO]PIPE   ...rather like SET [NO]ON?     Example:  
 $ SET PIPE" $ SHOW SYSTEM | SEARCH SYS$PIPE RW4 $ IF (&$STATUS .AND. %XFF) .NE. 1 THEN EXIT &$STATUS $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "% Oops!" $ SHOW SYSTEM > SHOW_SYSTEM.LIS  $ EXIT   > > > I thought of another one:  > > > F > > > A P0 parameter that contains the entire command that invoked theG > > > procedure, exactly as typed.  (If not P0, then a lexical that can  > > > retrieve it.)  > >  > 9 > We need more: the equivalent of Unix' "$@"  Currently I 9 > can't write a wrapper procedure around an image because = > I can't pass the parameters properly.  I consider this much % > more important than a DCL debugger.   C Don't have access to a running UN*X machine just now. What's $@ do?   < > And while I am at it: why not access to all CLI$ routines.8 > Then I could write a procedure with switches and stuff* > just like an image.  And just like Unix.  5 What's missing among the CLI$ routines that you need?   A FYI: I don't recall how just now, but you can ask one of the CLI$ F routines to pass you the verb from the command line. This is (I shouldD think, dunno fer sure) how SUBMIT.EXE knows whether to behave like aH SUBMIT command or a PRINT command, aside from the obvious differences inF the .CLD code. Both verbs are served by the same image. Likewise, COPY% and APPEND, DELETE and PURGE, others.   D I believe one of the CLI$ calls will return the entire command line.? Maybe just LIB$GET_FOREIGN will do the same. Not sure just now.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:54:18 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? & Message-ID: <3F5A8FCA.A75BD05@fsi.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > X > In article <3F579283.BDDFAE01@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > > Tom Linden wrote:  > >>. > >> Why not port bc from unix and pipe to it? > > M > > If you really want VMS to take off big time, port Microsoft Office to VMS R > > (cough, shudder). Disable/remove all the dangerous features and all those thatQ > > don't abide by standards and then make it a robust trustable system. You'd be E > > selling VMS workstations by the tens of thousands to enterprises.  > I >    If you "Disable/remove all the dangerous features and all those that 9 >    don't abide by standards", you won't have much left.   > Dummkopf! "Standards" are what Der GatesFeurher says they are!  
 Zeig Heil!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:06:12 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? ' Message-ID: <3F5A9294.246B0A9A@fsi.net>    Marc Van Dyck wrote: >  > Another few suggestions :  > 0 > - Automatic command completion, like in Bash ;  # Why bother when you can abbreviate?   B > - DCL language definition for LSE - get the DCl procedures right; >   from start, rather than have to debug them afterwards ! $ > - Symbol substitution in prompts .  G Maybe extensions in F$FAO() since that's a DCL lexical function anyway:   ( !CWD	Current Working Directory (Default)6 !CDEV	Current Default device (translation of SYS$DISK) !CDIR	Current Default directory  !USER	Current user name  !NODE	Current node name  !PRCNAM	Current process name
 What else?  : ...and have DCL evaluate those before issuing the prompt.   B Given that the output of CWD could easily line-wrap, a more useful? implementation in a prompt string would like include "!/" as in F "!/!CWD!/$ ". UN*X types might prefer to use !CDIR and have the system? set up so that all "mount points" appear under a common "root".    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:21:33 GMT * From: Michael Lemke <lemkemch@t-online.de>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? . Message-ID: <1103_1062894093@news.t-online.de>  V On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:12:44 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > Mark Berryman wrote: > >  > > Mark Berryman wrote: > > > Guy Peleg wrote: > > > J > > >> The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be4 > > >> added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2). > > >>N > > >> We were wondering if folks think that developing a DCL debugger will be+ > > >> useful. It won't be as sophisticated N > > >> as the VMS debugger, I was thinking about implementing step,examine and > > >> set break.  > > >  > > >  > > > K > > >   o I'd like a command (SET PROCESS/PARSE=PIPE_ASSUMED ?) that causes J > > >     DCL parsing to always assume the command was prefixed with PIPE. >  > That WOULD be cool, yes.  C Absolutely.  I am astonished it isn't there yet.  Seems so obvious.    > > I thought of another one:  > > D > > A P0 parameter that contains the entire command that invoked theE > > procedure, exactly as typed.  (If not P0, then a lexical that can  > > retrieve it.)  >   7 We need more: the equivalent of Unix' "$@"  Currently I 8 can't write a wrapper procedure around an image because ; I can't pass the parameters properly.  I consider this much # more important than a DCL debugger.   < And while I am at it: why not access to all CLI$ routines.  6 Then I could write a procedure with switches and stuff( just like an image.  And just like Unix.     Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2003 19:57:07 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 3 Message-ID: <29dPsHOnoVmD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <1103_1062894093@news.t-online.de>, Michael Lemke <lemkemch@t-online.de> writes: X > On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:12:44 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >> Mark Berryman wrote:    >> > I thought of another one: >> >  E >> > A P0 parameter that contains the entire command that invoked the F >> > procedure, exactly as typed.  (If not P0, then a lexical that can >> > retrieve it.) >>   > 9 > We need more: the equivalent of Unix' "$@"  Currently I : > can't write a wrapper procedure around an image because ' > I can't pass the parameters properly.   H So long as you are posting to a VMS newsgroup I think it would be betterI to describe what you want, rather than "like the @#$%@# feature on Unix".   > > And while I am at it: why not access to all CLI$ routines.    F You are saying you want those internal routines documented, supported,F and no longer subject to incompatible changes.  That is a big piece to	 bite off.   8 > Then I could write a procedure with switches and stuff > just like an image.   B Presuming you mean "qualifiers", why not use a compiled language ?   > And just like Unix.   A I would guess _not_ "just like Unix".  Unix expansion of filespec @ wildcards is handled quite differently from VMS.  Instead of "/"@ Unix uses "-", and I don't know enough about Unix to say how, or. whether, it handles syntax for something like:  0 	/SELECT=(SIZE=(MINIMUM=500,MAXIMUM=1000),NOACL)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:25:23 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 5 Subject: Re: Documentation for $setenv system service / Message-ID: <vlkunjit2mro1d@corp.supernews.com>   ( Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:J : From what I've been able to determine from looking at the docs (which I G : did for this purpose about a year ago), the $SETENV service can only  J : modify a subset of console environment variables.  That subset does NOT    Where is $SETENV documented?  - There's no mention of it in the Master Index.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:34:28 -0500, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>' Subject: Re: HP *ALMOST* Advertised VMS / Message-ID: <vlkdm357kb3k06@corp.supernews.com>   K I brought this to M. Gs. attention and to be fair, there were no other OS's I or software mentioned.  Alpha was.  I mentioned in the note that the next B step should be taken.  And he did send a reply as he usually does.  H I believe adds such as these are meant to get readers thinking hp rather than particular products of hp.    Its a start.   Dave... < "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> wrote in message7 news:79de9693.0309050919.2481b354@posting.google.com... I > "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 5 news:<bja67t$gsjc4$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>... A > > This, http://h71000.www7.hp.com/usps.html, had me excited for @ > > a few minutes, until I checked out every link on the page toB > > find that VMS did not appear on any of them (unless you createA > > a cut-out that blocks out everything except the second letter A > > of the first word, the first letter of the ninth word and the 6 > > last letter of the ninth word on the two-page ad). > > = > > Maybe we should all print a few million stickers that say A > > "Hey, they're talking about VMS here!" and hit every magazine > > > stand in our areas inserting the sticker in every magazine > > they run the ad in?  > @ > This sentence is in the first big paragraph of the URL listed: > E > HP AlphaServer systems running OpenVMS play a key role in scanning, 1 > processing and distributing each piece of mail.  > < > I could not find it in the ad itself.  There is mention of > AlphaServers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:05:17 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived- Message-ID: <87brtxof7m.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  E > So, with IA64 restricted to "enterprise computing", it must then be A > compared to Sparc, Alpha, Power4 , PaRisc, and MIPS. Until IA64 : > exceeds the levels of Alpha, then IA64 remains even moreD > proprietary, low volume than Alpha. And if Alpha failed because of> > those low numbers, logically, IA64 should also fail for same@ > reasons. Question is : how long can IA64 remain at low volumes@ > before Intel is forced to pull the plug on this costly beast ?   For hp, the itanic is PA3.  F For intel, it is a totally different stew. Remember that the itanic isC NOT an intel or hp chip. Got that, not intel. Now tie ins to AMD or E IBM or VIA or any of the myriad of cross deals intel has with the x86 D stuff. With itanic, they can banish all the competition as it is not their chip!!  C For intel, it is a block the others deal, its sucess or failure has / nothing to do with performance, or even profit.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 04:07:59 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived- Message-ID: <877k4lof34.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   > Bill Todd wrote:  F >> > But had it made some serious marketing launch for those systems ?   ! >> Were you asleep 14 months ago?   B > I recall much hype from carly & Company about how great IA64 wasC > going to be, but I don't recall any product specific marketing by ? > HP. The first branded products I am aware of is the integrity 	 > series.   F The Superdome, with `smoking brick of death' option. (nods to del) AndA the later 2-in-1 upgrade for them. These where anounced ages ago.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:46:14 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton): Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products= Message-ID: <pbo6b.180619$2x.49499@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   U In article <3F5A03B0.1D872E6@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  !snip!J !On the montagar site, you have 2 options for licences. One is for the VMSN !operating system, and the other is for the layered products. You have to makeL !2 requests, one for the OS and a separate one for the layered products. You !then get 2 emails.  ! K !The layered product email contains a whole lot of licences, so you extract  !only those you really want.  L Just a reminder - both emails are structured in such a way that they can be L run as .COM files, which will register all your licenses in one(well, *two*) swell poop(s).  L It might actually be easier to register *all* the licenses, whether they areO needed or not - trying to edit the resulting command file could get ugly fast.	  :-)   O Is there a LICENSE LOAD command appended to the PAKs (ISTR that there is not)?  M If there is no command, then I *think* a "$LIC LOAD" is necessary to activate   them, after they are registered.   ! M !For the TCPIP Services, you need to look at the licence called UCX. (TCPIP's  !former name).  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:54:40 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products) Message-ID: <3F5A1F57.71FC3C3D@istop.com>    "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote: N > It might actually be easier to register *all* the licenses, whether they areP > needed or not - trying to edit the resulting command file could get ugly fast. > :-)     G But at the end of the year, it becomes a real pain to remove/delete the  expired licences.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:05:58 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> : Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products( Message-ID: <3F5A3016.2090903@rdrop.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   I > But at the end of the year, it becomes a real pain to remove/delete the  > expired licences.    You're kidding, right?     $ LICENSE DELETE *   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:39:34 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton): Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products/ Message-ID: <GRp6b.373644$YN5.251042@sccrnsc01>   V In article <3F5A1F57.71FC3C3D@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: !"Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:O !> It might actually be easier to register *all* the licenses, whether they are Q !> needed or not - trying to edit the resulting command file could get ugly fast.  !> :-) !  ! H !But at the end of the year, it becomes a real pain to remove/delete the !expired licences.  L True, but search the recent archives of this NG for some advice on how to doL just that - I've not had a chance to put any of the suggestions into effect,O but I will try the most promising of them in May of 2004, when my licenses are   set to expire.  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:18:07 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> : Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products' Message-ID: <3F5A32EF.55B2C365@aaa.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > I > But at the end of the year, it becomes a real pain to remove/delete the  > expired licences.     ; Load your *old* license command file into EDT and run a few > "Substitute" cammands, and there's your LICENSE DELETE command< file. Or write a 10-20 line DCL script to do the same thing.  : B.t.w, it would have been nice if the command file as sent7 from Montagar, could accept a command line parameter as > "DEL", that would execute a LIC DEL for all licenses included.: Running without parameter would default to LIC REG as now.  F LIC LOAD would better be done (manualy) for each license needed, IMHO.  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 22:22:17 -0400 . From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com>) Subject: Re: Philips CDR2600 and CDRECORD + Message-ID: <bje4tu$a0s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>    H Vlems wrote:0 > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> schreef in bericht, > news:00A250B5.1DF839D3@SendSpamHere.ORG... > H >>In article <bikivf$a0v6g$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans Vlems" > " > <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes: > - >>>Is the Philips 2600 supported by CDRECORD?  >>L >>I should have also asked, are you experiencing a problem that precipitated >>your question? >> > J > Err, no, it was a question of a boolean nature actually and the expectedN > answer was a simple yes or no. The reason I asked the question is that I wasJ > given a Philips CDD2600 (it's CDD not CDR) and before connecting it to aG > VAXstation 4000-90A running VMS 7.3 and figuring out how to use it, I 8 > thought let's ask c.o.v whether it stands a chance :-) > L > In the mean time I learned that the CDD2600 is on line but all attempts to/ > get to the medium result in an error message: I > "no disk/invalid medium"; and this with CDRECORD 1.8. CDRECORD seems to L > recognize the device and that more or less answers my initial question. ItN > is not possible to write, read or blank CD-RW disks at any speed. So my best9 > guess up to now is that the 2600 is useless. Any hints?  >  > Hans >  > A My CDD2600 was what I mastered VMS SIG tapes on for a few years,  A connected to an alpha (3000-300lx) and using cdwrite or cdrecord.   C I did find it to be terribly picky about media. Verbatims generally F worked and most others did not. The ones that failed often would neverC be detected by the drive, even. However sometimes they got detected & and just failed partway thru the burn.  E I got a notice some time back that there was a recall, would I like a C replacement. I said yes, got a faster burner...but it was IDE only. D I called and said I needed SCSI but the legal folks apparently neverA heard of installations that might need SCSI. Bought another brand D for my current work. It as a 4x writer is at any rate more tolerable5 than the Philips drive and accepts most any CD blank.    Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 11:30:48 -0700 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net> Subject: Re: PWS 500 question , Message-ID: <bjd95601knp@enews3.newsguy.com>   Dave:   C Hate to disagree with you, isn't the KAPBA-CX supported by OpenVMS?    TomC   David Turner wrote: K > No problem on VMS but you'll need a SCSI Controller and new graphics card  > K > The card currently in there looks like a 4D50 which only runs Tru64 (and  , > I think is not even supported on that now) >  > DT >  > Tom Crabtree wrote:  >  >> issinoho wrote: >> >>> Take a look at this...Q >>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751164078&category=179   >>>  >>>  >>> Is this a 500a or a 500au? >>> Will it run VMS? >> >> >>F >> It appears to be of the 500A variety, which with the right goodies I >> will run OpenVMS quite happily.  The SCSI card is a QLogic 1040 which  F >> is OpenVMS compatible and it does have the B cache (a nice plus).  F >> Don't recognize the graphics card, someone else might know if it's  >> compatible or not. H >> I've seen better deals on eBay here in the US, don't know if this is  >> the going rate in Europe. >>
 >> Good luck!  >> >> TomC  >> >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:41:10 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>* Subject: Re: RDB Interactive SQL questions: Message-ID: <W0w6b.311$SB5.166@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>   Peter Grevel wrote:   F > I want t present a list from a table which contains a rownumber, see
 > example.9 > I thought this is very basic. But I cannot find out how  >  > How do I handle this ? >  > select FLD1 from TABLE1  > where FLD2 < 100;    try:  6 select fld1 form table1 where fld2 > 0 and fld2 < 100; >  > FLD1 > 1  AA  > 2  BB  > 3  CCV > 4  XX7 >  > H > Another problem I have is how to pass a value from a previous selected< > record to the current record, when selecting from a table.> > I think it is the some problem I have as as I mention above.   look at the use of cursors.?   Michael Austin   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:56:03 +0200( From: "Ofer Irani" <ofer_ir@hotmail.com>
 Subject: testL* Message-ID: <bjds7u$8ig$1@news.iucc.ac.il>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:58:06 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchyf) Message-ID: <3F5A2025.8673FB34@istop.com>l   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:pK > It appears that such filters do already exist. For instance Cleanfeed canr9 > filter out binary content going to text only newsgroupsd > seet    N Beware. Those newsfeeds which automatically do filter binary contents from nonJ binary newsgroups tend to render the newsfeed useless because of excessiveL delay in deliveryt as well as a significant percentage of dropped legitimateK posts, and some that arrive up to a week later. And stuff arrives in random-F order (you read responses a day before the original question arrives).  J My former ISP switched to such a feed last year and it made the newsgroupsJ unusable and was one of the many reasons I left them. My current ISP has aN choice of newsservers, one of which exhibit the exact same behaviour as my old. ISP and one which provides unfiltered service.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:59:26 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchym) Message-ID: <bjdscu$p13$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>a  V In article <3F5A2025.8673FB34@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:L >> It appears that such filters do already exist. For instance Cleanfeed can: >> filter out binary content going to text only newsgroups >> see >r >oO >Beware. Those newsfeeds which automatically do filter binary contents from non K >binary newsgroups tend to render the newsfeed useless because of excessiveaM >delay in deliveryt as well as a significant percentage of dropped legitimate>L >posts, and some that arrive up to a week later. And stuff arrives in randomG >order (you read responses a day before the original question arrives).( >eK >My former ISP switched to such a feed last year and it made the newsgroupsIK >unusable and was one of the many reasons I left them. My current ISP has a4O >choice of newsservers, one of which exhibit the exact same behaviour as my old3/ >ISP and one which provides unfiltered service.c  G I could understand the filter putting extra load on the newserver but IIM wouldn't expect that to result in excessive delay in delivery or for stuff tofN arrive any more randomly than is usual for usenet. The posts will have arrivedN at the newserver in the same order and at the same rate as normal it will just4 have dropped those matching it's filtering criteria.  N Responses arriving before a question is quite common in Usenet because of it'sM very nature. It depends upon the distribution path the articles have taken toN5 get to your server from the questioner and responder.t  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University y   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:55:11 GMT,- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>e! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchy < Message-ID: <3ew6b.37207$Nc.8776894@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Doc.Cypher wrote:c > E > UDP the SoBs.  Ask your peers to impose a UDP on them too.  The ISPyK > responsible for this little band of pirates should be isolated until suchi( > time as they put their house in order.  9 It appears that there has been a problem with posting on e4 news.admin.net-abuse.policy for the month of August.  I A pair of recent spam postings to it indicates that the moderator bot is u  nolonger rejecting all postings.  E The newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.policy appears to be the place to 2I make the case known.  From other postings in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet nG it appears that that posters from that ISP are posting the binaries in i other newsgroups.e  C If you will note, a UDP was previously enacted against that ISP in sL October of 2000.  It appears that they need a to get their memory refreshed.  I So I would encourage you to post in the news.admin.net-abuse.policy with  J your evidence of the length of time for the abuse, and the ISP's inaction.  L The more people that present evidence, the more likely it is to get results.   -Johnd wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only6   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:16:54 -0500p1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: VMS is being ported to Itanium - but will there be any support when it arrivX' Message-ID: <3F5A9516.62C8E982@fsi.net>h   John Travell wrote:i > ; > "Rob Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com> wrote in messagee' > news:bj8ob6$2ji$1@bob.news.rcn.net...i > >iH > > Duncan Macdonald <duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message= > news:memo.20030904212235.1004A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk...s$ > > > If a reference in the Inquirer0 > (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11369) isM > > > correct then HP is laying off so many of its tech support staff that byJ > theeN > > > time OpenVMS Itanium is a full commercial grade product, there may be no > demandA > > > for it as the required support level will not be available.2 > > >4J > > > (This is not a dig at OpenVMS engineering who seem to be doing their > usualtK > > > superb job but a reflection on the fact that you need a good customer  > tech9 > > > support staff if you want people to buy the system)$ > > I > > That perspective neglects to take into account that many of us former E > > DEC employees are still in the business of supporting VMS systemsr> > > and are gearing up to support Alpha to Itanium migrations. > >  > ' > True, but we are a distributed bunch.eF > Do we need an 'umbrella' organisation to grab the public attention ?G > We could all contract our services to that entity and act as local ormH > specialist support resources to satisfy the customer demand. If we allM > contributed to the pot, a major publicity campaign could become affordable.i  E Someone else posted recently that DSPP(?) sales requirements had gonefF beyond the reasonably expectable scope of today's VMS business, exceptE for the Cerners, Sunquests, etc. of the world. I personally don't see G how shrinking a market can make it more profitable, but hey - what do IC know?g  H Perhaps a consolidation of the small resellers, VARs, etc. into a largerG entity would be beneficial. Perhaps a limited partnership or some other G suitable organization type would bring the collective sales volume back 9 up to the point where that obstacle becomes a non-issue.    D The resulting entity might even have the muscle to do what hp won't:A advertise VMS! Seems a shame that we'd have to drag them to bank,bE kicking and screaming all the way, to deposit their profits, but somesG folks wouldn't know a "golden eggs goose" if it jumped up and bit theirh	 nose off!R   Whaddaya think?    -- Y David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsx http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.495 ************************