1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 08 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 498       Contents:' "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal 7 Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS 7 Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS 	 Re: BCC08 	 Re: BCC08 	 Re: BCC08 	 Re: BCC08 % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads  Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk  Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?, Re: Documentation for $setenv system service8 Fork() and Unix compatibility work timetable and scope ?< Re: Fork() and Unix compatibility work timetable and scope ? ftp/ucx timeout setting?% How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST ) Re: How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST ) Re: How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST ) Re: How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST ( Re: Limit Processor utilisation per user( Re: Limit Processor utilisation per user: Re: Limit Processor utilisation per user (Class Scheduler)0 Re: Looking for JAVA-based  "terrminal emulator"0 Re: Looking for JAVA-based  "terrminal emulator"  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?% Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived # New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1 4 Open Office on VMS [was: Do we need a DCL debugger?]1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products  Re: RdB on EVA ?. Re: Slow keyboard autorepeat rate for new DS10 Re: The vmsnet hierarchy The vultures are circulating  Re: The vultures are circulating  Re: The vultures are circulating  Re: The vultures are circulating  Re: The vultures are circulating  Re: The vultures are circulatingG Re: using a FALCO 5000 as a console terminal on an ALPHAstation 255/233 G Re: using a FALCO 5000 as a console terminal on an ALPHAstation 255/233 G Re: using a FALCO 5000 as a console terminal on an ALPHAstation 255/233  VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. RE: VMS website updated.1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 2 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250n  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:55:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchH Message-ID: <FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  6 As seen in the financial press last week..............  	 Bloomberg  September 4, 2003    IBM, Dell squeezing out H-P   $ Breakup on the way, analyst predicts" PC division losses fuelling doubts  
 Peter Brennan  Bloomberg News  G LOS ANGELES - Hewlett-Packard Co., the world's Number 2 computer maker, J probably will be broken up because it is being "squeezed" by InternationalF Busniss Machines Corp. and Dell Inc., according to Merrill Lynch & Co. analyst Steven Milunovich.  K Hewlett-Packard, based in Palo Alto, Calif., is unlikely to overtake IBM in L sales of computers and serives to businesses, Milunovitch wrote in a note to clients.  K Hewlett-Packard shares dropped 10 per cent on Aug. 20 after chief executive H Carly Fiorina reported losses in personal computers and business sales -E units she predicted would drive growth when the company bought Comapq  Computer Corp. last year.   F She said the PC division cut prices too deeply. The missteps increasedK doubts among investors that Hewlett-Packard can compete against Dell in PCs ( and IBM in server machines and services.  H "Their stategy is caught in the middle between IBM and Dell," said JasonG Maxwell, research director at TCW Group Inc., which manages $80 billion $ (U.S.) and owns 1.69 million shares.  L "IBM is the premier computer services company in the world. H-P doesn't have their capability."  L "Dell is the premier PC manufacturing company in the world. H-P cannot match them."  K Rebecca Robboy, a spokesperson for Hewlett-Packard, declined to immediately D comment on Milunovith's prediction because she hadn't read the note.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:33:18 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <2j17b.4202$lK4.1093@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...8 > As seen in the financial press last week.............. >  > Bloomberg  > September 4, 2003  >  > IBM, Dell squeezing out H-P  > & > Breakup on the way, analyst predicts$ > PC division losses fuelling doubts >  > Peter Brennan  > Bloomberg News > I > LOS ANGELES - Hewlett-Packard Co., the world's Number 2 computer maker, L > probably will be broken up because it is being "squeezed" by InternationalH > Busniss Machines Corp. and Dell Inc., according to Merrill Lynch & Co. > analyst Steven Milunovich. >   H Anal-yst Yessir Imat-hief of the brokerage firm Dewey, Cheatum, and HoweG predicts that everyone will soon trade in their old stock for fresh new F copies as part of spring cleaning - contributing to higher profits forL brokerage houses.  When questioned, Imat-heif reported that he stands by hisJ track record and can't comment on pending litigation.  A spokesman for theH US postal service declined to comment, saying they hadn't seen the note.  J I wanna be an analyst...  The moon will eventually tear itself free of theK earths gravitational pull and hurl itself back into space, while destroying E most life on earch larger than an amoeba.  So I recommend a move into ! precious stones and rocket ships.    This is *fun*.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:43:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchH Message-ID: <Fs17b.192049$_V.95728@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:2j17b.4202$lK4.1093@news.cpqcorp.net... > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...: > > As seen in the financial press last week.............. > > 
 > > Bloomberg  > > September 4, 2003  > >  > > IBM, Dell squeezing out H-P  > > ( > > Breakup on the way, analyst predicts& > > PC division losses fuelling doubts > >  > > Peter Brennan  > > Bloomberg News > > K > > LOS ANGELES - Hewlett-Packard Co., the world's Number 2 computer maker, @ > > probably will be broken up because it is being "squeezed" by
 International J > > Busniss Machines Corp. and Dell Inc., according to Merrill Lynch & Co. > > analyst Steven Milunovich. > >  > J > Anal-yst Yessir Imat-hief of the brokerage firm Dewey, Cheatum, and HoweI > predicts that everyone will soon trade in their old stock for fresh new H > copies as part of spring cleaning - contributing to higher profits forJ > brokerage houses.  When questioned, Imat-heif reported that he stands by his L > track record and can't comment on pending litigation.  A spokesman for theJ > US postal service declined to comment, saying they hadn't seen the note. > L > I wanna be an analyst...  The moon will eventually tear itself free of theB > earths gravitational pull and hurl itself back into space, while
 destroyingG > most life on earch larger than an amoeba.  So I recommend a move into # > precious stones and rocket ships.  >  > This is *fun*.       Fred,   < Take a deep breath and ask yourself the following questions:  G 1) Who is apt to be more knowledgeable about writing device drivers for 3 VMS - Fred Kleinsorge or the Merrill Lynch analyst?   L 2) Who is apt to be more knowledgeable about the maschinations of investmentE banking and merger/acquisitions/divestitures - Fred Kleinsorge or the  Merrill Lynch analyst?  F Each has their place and expertise and insights in their own sphere ofJ endeavour. That you  may disagree about one or the other has no bearing onJ whether Carly or some acquisitor agrees with you or not. The 'Street' is aG funny place, with about as much intrigue as the hallways of HP when the I budget cutting knives come out. Don't discount anything, for the rational  doesn't always occur.   L A respected individual named Walter Hewlett happens to think the same way as) the ML&Co analyst...or had you forgotten?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:09:54 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <mR17b.4214$iG4.93@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:Fs17b.192049$_V.95728@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >  > Fred,  > > > Take a deep breath and ask yourself the following questions: >   = Anonymous person, take a deep breath.  Now, don't let it out.    > C > 2) Who is apt to be more knowledgeable about the maschinations of 
 investmentG > banking and merger/acquisitions/divestitures - Fred Kleinsorge or the  > Merrill Lynch analyst? >   J Generally speaking, a magic 8-ball.  I guess you just don't get how absurd the whole business is.  H > Each has their place and expertise and insights in their own sphere of > endeavour.  E Wanna talk to investors who are now cancelling their retirement plans % because of the great advice they got?   A > That you  may disagree about one or the other has no bearing on L > whether Carly or some acquisitor agrees with you or not. The 'Street' is aI > funny place, with about as much intrigue as the hallways of HP when the K > budget cutting knives come out. Don't discount anything, for the rational  > doesn't always occur.  >   J I discount everything equally.  About the only predictable things are thatL things will be unpredictable (except of course, the Red Sox failing to catchL the Yankee's at the end of the year).  Analyst predictions (well, in theory)J attempt to apply rational thought to predict an outcome.  Of course, thoseI predictions carry the personal baggage and POV of the analyst - and often I you can't tell if there are other hidden motivations at work.  Especially G when trying to anaylze/predict something as broad and major as this guy ? wants to attempt.  Perhaps this is the outcome he wants, and is F "encouraging" it (not predicting it).    Maybe it's a trial baloon for someone.  J Almost any prediction has "some" chance of comming true.  Space junk could7 fall out of the sky and land on my car on the way home.   K > A respected individual named Walter Hewlett happens to think the same way  as+ > the ML&Co analyst...or had you forgotten?  >   J I'm not a HP-classic guy.  I don't have any personal viewpoint on Walter'sK knowledge in this of any other area.  I have no knowledge about Walter, the A Packards, or their foundations POV on the future direction of HP.   F I'd take a bullet for Ken Olsen, but I wouldn't make him my investment broker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:44:44 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch' Message-ID: <3F5CB1FC.1010105@MMaz.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  / >"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message C >news:FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  >    > I >Anal-yst Yessir Imat-hief of the brokerage firm Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe  >    > B You must listen to Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers on PBS :-)   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 16:59:33 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch9 Message-ID: <bjichl$jnjap$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   ' In article <3F5CB1FC.1010105@mmaz.com>, . 	"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > 0 >>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD >>news:FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >>   >>J >>Anal-yst Yessir Imat-hief of the brokerage firm Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe >>   >>D > You must listen to Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers on PBS :-) >   F Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe predates PBS by a long ways, going back to at* least The Three Stooges and maybe earlier.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 11:44:51 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch3 Message-ID: <8JhbuJLiz5ut@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <Fs17b.192049$_V.95728@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >  > N > A respected individual named Walter Hewlett happens to think the same way as+ > the ML&Co analyst...or had you forgotten?  >  	 > 	And Walter lost, therefore this guy like Walter is a "loser." 	Is that your point?   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:54:02 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <Ku27b.4222$9V4.1188@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:3F5CB1FC.1010105@MMaz.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > 1 > >"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message E > >news:FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > >  > > K > >Anal-yst Yessir Imat-hief of the brokerage firm Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe  > >  > > D > You must listen to Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers on PBS :-) >   6 OK, OK.   I admit it, have the T-shirt to prove it :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:57:30 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchI Message-ID: <_x27b.192572$_V.176081@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message* news:mR17b.4214$iG4.93@news.cpqcorp.net... > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:Fs17b.192049$_V.95728@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > 	 > > Fred,  > > @ > > Take a deep breath and ask yourself the following questions: > >  > ? > Anonymous person, take a deep breath.  Now, don't let it out.   : Anonymous to you perhaps, but not to others in this group.          E > > 2) Who is apt to be more knowledgeable about the maschinations of  > investmentI > > banking and merger/acquisitions/divestitures - Fred Kleinsorge or the  > > Merrill Lynch analyst? > >  > L > Generally speaking, a magic 8-ball.  I guess you just don't get how absurd > the whole business is.    L Having worked in the investment business for a number of years as an analystE I think I can safely claim to have a better understanding of how that E industry works and what the 'code words' mean. I merely point out the F existence of the investment research report written by a Merrill LynchK analyst, as reported by the ace cub reporter from Bloomberg. Don't blame me L for the apparent failings of that Bloomberg reporter who may not know how to5 complete a cogent thought or communicate effectively.   C If you know somebody at Merrill, ask them to send you a copy of the J analyst's report - it's available. Read the whole thing, for it is sure toH contain much more that was reported in the 200 words written in the news report.      > J > > Each has their place and expertise and insights in their own sphere of > > endeavour. > G > Wanna talk to investors who are now cancelling their retirement plans ' > because of the great advice they got?   H Just because somebody gives you advice doesn't necessarily mean that youJ have to take it. When investing, your range of possible outcomes cover theL spectrum from total loss to obscene profits, and all points between. Had theH advice brought profits, as much advice did during the 1990's, would that> have made you less bitter even though the risks were the same?  K Lots of people have taken economics classes in high school or in university L but they feel obligated to shelve everything that they may have learned whenI presented an 'expert' opinion. To that I counter with "How often have you K take the opinion of just one physician when dealing with a serious matter?" J People think that money is somehow less serious than their health but theyL fail to see the parallels - health tends to deteriorate over a length periodK of time, except when it doesn't; wealth tends to grow over a lengthy period G of time, except when it doesn't. That may sound trite, but to keep your E health up one exercises, reduces stress, eats well but not to excess, J generally shun dangerous activitiess, and treat symtoms/conditions as theyK arise either gradually or swiftly as the need dictates. The same holds true H for investment success. You choose when to buy/sell, how to diversify orD not, what to buy or otherwise invest in, and that implies doing yourK homework....just like reading The Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine H or the UCLA Wellness Newsletter to help you decide how to deal with your medical well being.         C > > That you  may disagree about one or the other has no bearing on L > > whether Carly or some acquisitor agrees with you or not. The 'Street' is a K > > funny place, with about as much intrigue as the hallways of HP when the D > > budget cutting knives come out. Don't discount anything, for the rational > > doesn't always occur.  > >  > L > I discount everything equally.  About the only predictable things are thatH > things will be unpredictable (except of course, the Red Sox failing to catch F > the Yankee's at the end of the year).  Analyst predictions (well, in theory) L > attempt to apply rational thought to predict an outcome.  Of course, thoseK > predictions carry the personal baggage and POV of the analyst - and often K > you can't tell if there are other hidden motivations at work.  Especially I > when trying to anaylze/predict something as broad and major as this guy A > wants to attempt.  Perhaps this is the outcome he wants, and is H > "encouraging" it (not predicting it).    Maybe it's a trial baloon for
 > someone.  H The markets are psychological in nature - they're about expectations andH people's reaction to them. All the numbers and analyses are the means byI which the expected results are expressed. ALL opinions carry the personal 5 baggage and POV of the analyst - even yours and mine.   J You could be correct - perhaps ML&Co. has a buyer waiting in the wings andH hopes to depress HP stock price in advance of an offer...but I doubt it.F Perhaps he's just looking at carly and co. and his estimation of theirK effectiveness at doing something other than chopping heads over the next 24 D months. As we VMS afficionados have seen, it is far easier to ruin a business than to grow one.  I How many more quarters of lackluster performance will it take before even J the poodles that constitute the HP Board of Directors gives carly the exitJ sign? When that happens, see what they hang a 'For Sale' sign on. Tell youJ what.... keep your eyes and ears open for more whisperings like the ML&Co.# analyst's over the next few months.   L BTW...don't worry about carly when that does happen...she'll get millions inJ a 'retirement package' and she'll still be able to serve as an independentL on boards as 'the former Chair & CEO of Hewlett Packard", raking hundreds ofJ thousands per year in director's fees.  Oh, I forgot to ask...what happensG to you and your VMS colleagues when there are no bids when the 'VMS For J Sale' sign is hung out because no potential buyer thinks there's any brandC awareness or value left worth paying for? Two weeks severance and a G cardboard box to carry your personal items on the way out? Don't get me H wrong.....I hope that doesn't happen to you or all the other good peopleD where you work....but as each day goes by with VMS not being heavily? promoted and contributing more and more to the bottom line.....     L > Almost any prediction has "some" chance of comming true.  Space junk could9 > fall out of the sky and land on my car on the way home.  > I > > A respected individual named Walter Hewlett happens to think the same  way  > as- > > the ML&Co analyst...or had you forgotten?  > >  > L > I'm not a HP-classic guy.  I don't have any personal viewpoint on Walter'sI > knowledge in this of any other area.  I have no knowledge about Walter,  the C > Packards, or their foundations POV on the future direction of HP.  > H > I'd take a bullet for Ken Olsen, but I wouldn't make him my investment	 > broker.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:03:26 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchH Message-ID: <yD27b.192617$_V.71839@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:8JhbuJLiz5ut@eisner.encompasserve.org... J > In article <Fs17b.192049$_V.95728@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > >  > > I > > A respected individual named Walter Hewlett happens to think the same  way as- > > the ML&Co analyst...or had you forgotten?  > >  > ? > And Walter lost, therefore this guy like Walter is a "loser."  > Is that your point?      That isn't worthy of a reply.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:01:05 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <RQ07b.4196$AF4.3123@news.cpqcorp.net>  < "Thomas Dickey" <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> wrote in message$ news:bjcku9$lrb$2@news1.radix.net...I > In comp.os.vms Fred Kleinsorge <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote: G > > On VMS, with a PC keyboard (a non LK450/411/463) you can press (and  hold) L > > LOCK and Fn to get Fn+10 (F1 -> F11, etc).  Lock will be flipped back to the * > > original state.  It's the VT500 trick. > J > I'd think that's inconsistent with DECUDK, which uses a shifted functionG > key to get the string that is assigned with that escape sequence.  In D > XFree86 xterm I use a control-modifier rather than shift-modifier. >   K I don't have DEC Std 70 around handy, but I'm not sure there is a conflict. I In this case, LOCK (not shift) is being used as a single-shot combination J key.  It won't interfere with SHIFT, or the state of the SHIFT or LOCK.  I2 ripped the mechanism off from what the VT525 does.  H In this particular case, at the device driver level IF (and only if) theJ keyboard is a PC-layout keyboard when a function key (F1-F10 and Keypad +)L are pressed and IF the lock key is in the down (pressed) state, then the keyJ is translated to Fn+10 (or KP+ -> KP-).  The state of the shift/lock stateI is then flipped back to what it was prior to the lock key being depressed I (and the lock key release is ignored later on).  What gets sent up to the * server is the keycode for the missing key.  H The DECterm user defined key stuff is handled much farther up the stack.  I This stuff has been in the VMS code since the first PC-kb based system we ' shipped (the Jensen) in the early 90's.   J I've generalize this in the USB keyboard code, so that a user can create aE keyboard translation table and enable this feature or disable it, and H program explicitly the LOCK/KEY combinations and the resultant key code.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 11:30:34 +0100 K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) @ Subject: Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS! Message-ID: <PJdDwxnEuw1w@sinead>   & In article <3f5b1ac9@cpns1.saic.com>, - Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes: J > The following packages have recently been placed on my server.  You can  > find them at: + > http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/submissions/  > or! > ftp://mvb.saic.com/submissions/    Thanks Mark.   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 08:08:42 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) @ Subject: Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS3 Message-ID: <rlZX8LyW84eH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <3f5b1ac9@cpns1.saic.com>, Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes:  >  > Mozplugger V1.3.0 I > This is a port of a program, written for Linux, that allows standalone  I > programs to be used as a plugin for Mozilla.  For example, the default  H > config uses XPDF to display PDF files.  Mozplugger will activate XPDF E > and then place it in the browser window.  MPG123 and Timidity also  G > provide great support for viewing those web pages with sound on them.       Ah, now that sounds usefull.    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:26:23 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>  Subject: Re: BCC08- Message-ID: <bjhhvv$i7b$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>   7 In comp.os.vms Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply ( <helbig@astro.multiclothesvax.de> wrote:K : I have a BCC08 cable.  It doesn't seem to work as a serial cable between  G : a terminal and a VMS machine.  Am I correct that this is a "special"    M It is not an ordinary serial cable and works only with specific VMS machines.   H : cable since pins 8 and 9 are shorted together and thus normally won't 4 : work (but will on a VAXstation 2000 or something)?   Especially 2000s. 8 See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_019.html, and http://www.ar.com.au/~crazycam/2000.htm   * : Is there any other use for such a cable?  C Can also be used on BA23 and BA123 cabinets (MicroVAX II and CVAX).    --  
 -Roar Throns    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 15:32:32 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: BCC086 Message-ID: <20030908153232.11919.qmail@gacracker.org>  e On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: J >I have a BCC08 cable.  It doesn't seem to work as a serial cable between F >a terminal and a VMS machine.  Am I correct that this is a "special" G >cable since pins 8 and 9 are shorted together and thus normally won't  3 >work (but will on a VAXstation 2000 or something)?  > ) >Is there any other use for such a cable?   G Someone recently asked me about getting some cabling information out of  the WayBack machine.  I I can't currently reach the URL, but this gave a wealth of information on  cabling.  Z http://web.archive.org/web/19980614212355/http://www.digital.co.uk/info_uk/Tech/cables.htm     Doc.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:25:19 -0400 (EDT)+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>  Subject: Re: BCC08I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55L-032.0309081124080.6501@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>   N correct, this cable is an adaptor from the console of a microVAX to rs232. the5 pinout of the connector of the microvax is not rs232.    isildur     C On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   J > I have a BCC08 cable.  It doesn't seem to work as a serial cable betweenF > a terminal and a VMS machine.  Am I correct that this is a "special"G > cable since pins 8 and 9 are shorted together and thus normally won't 4 > work (but will on a VAXstation 2000 or something)? > * > Is there any other use for such a cable? >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:23:39 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: BCC082 Message-ID: <vW27b.4226$fY4.2367@news.cpqcorp.net>  $ I think what you are referring to is/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/padapters.html   I if there is another let me know (I couldn't get the waybackmachine url to  work either). If thereH is some historic things that need saving I try to put them in the wizard area.. (look at the left nav).4 the padapters page has been there for 4 or 5 years..   -warren   A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message 0 news:20030908153232.11919.qmail@gacracker.org...> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip( Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:K > >I have a BCC08 cable.  It doesn't seem to work as a serial cable between G > >a terminal and a VMS machine.  Am I correct that this is a "special" H > >cable since pins 8 and 9 are shorted together and thus normally won't5 > >work (but will on a VAXstation 2000 or something)?  > > + > >Is there any other use for such a cable?  > I > Someone recently asked me about getting some cabling information out of  > the WayBack machine. > K > I can't currently reach the URL, but this gave a wealth of information on 
 > cabling. >  > Z http://web.archive.org/web/19980614212355/http://www.digital.co.uk/info_uk/Tech/cables.htm >  >  > Doc.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 08:06:43 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads3 Message-ID: <ueqtumXQq6$R@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <IoB6b.10527$lY2.9532@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, Vince <vince@the[NOSPAM]berrymans.com> writes:G > I am new to VMS and am currently trying to learn some of the ways in  E > which programming is unique on VMS.  One question I am looking for  G > clarification on is the difference between using ASTs and threads on  ! > systems with more than one CPU.  > H > If I read it right, a program designed around ASTs cannot make use of K > more than one CPU at a time since only one AST can execute at a time and  = > the main program can't execute while an AST is in progress.  > H > With threads, however, it appears I can have as many sections of code  > executing as there are CPUs. >  > Is my understanding correct?  <    Sounds good to me.  Generally you want to use ASTs if theD    serialization of the threads is a requirement, or in places whereD    it's the only supported mechanism (such as being initiated at the(    completion of an I/O queued by $QIO).  E    You use threads when there's significant parallel work that can be A    done and the synchronization techniques provided by the thread     package suffice.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 07:00:35 -0700 1 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) . Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads= Message-ID: <477e0934.0309080600.79e39020@posting.google.com>   q Vince <vince@the[NOSPAM]berrymans.com> wrote in message news:<IoB6b.10527$lY2.9532@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>... G > I am new to VMS and am currently trying to learn some of the ways in  E > which programming is unique on VMS.  One question I am looking for  G > clarification on is the difference between using ASTs and threads on  ! > systems with more than one CPU.S > H > If I read it right, a program designed around ASTs cannot make use of K > more than one CPU at a time since only one AST can execute at a time and n= > the main program can't execute while an AST is in progress.l > H > With threads, however, it appears I can have as many sections of code  > executing as there are CPUs. >  > Is my understanding correct?  C You need to be careful.  There are many operations which can not bewF performed in an AST.  ASTs can not be interrupted by theads, nor other! ASTs at the same execution level.d  D You can't lock a mutex in an AST.  If a thread already has the mutexE locked, you will deadlock, as the AST will wait indefinitely, for theeC thread to wake up, which it can not, and unlock the mutex.  Even ifiC you don't lock the mutex, you still can't access the guarded global F data because another thread may be in the midst of modifying it and it2 may currently be holding interrim or invalid data.  
 joshua lehrero factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:01:48 GMTL& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>. Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads8 Message-ID: <jv9plv4s1kdgdra6h07c6aorljrcqsk1et@4ax.com>  J On 8 Sep 2003 08:06:43 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:?     >oF >   You use threads when there's significant parallel work that can beB >   done and the synchronization techniques provided by the thread >   package suffice.  D Not having done any thread programming, I'll ask what may be a sillyG question:  Can you use the lock manager to synchronize threads for somerI activities?  For example, when pulling work off the queue, can one threadsG lock the queue to prevent multiple threads from stepping on each other?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:51:43 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> & Subject: Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk' Message-ID: <3F5CB39F.3060900@MMaz.com>   8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  N >>5.) Replace the IDE drive (SCSI live 6-10 years, while IDE live 6-10 months) >>     >> >a >    >nH This sounds more like Western Digital with a role reversal!  I had five C of their U160 10K drives before they stopped SCSI operations, none  . lasted 12 months from the date of purchase...   G IDE drives? I can't count a single failure before the systems they are  I in have been decommissioned over the past four years..  SCSI, however, I t= have probably replaced 20% of them over the same time period n@ (predominantly Seagate & Fuji, not counting the earlier WD's)...   Barryl   -- A  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 01:48:14 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?-5 Message-ID: <1030908013630.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>1  2 On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  R > In article <3F57A0AF.5040802@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes: > >John Santos wrote:r > >.B > >> The real cure for this is for "them" to define a standard for7 > >> FTP directory listings that everyone can stick to.- > >> r > ' > They did in RFC 959. Its called NLST.o: > An FTP client uses NLST to return the list of filenames. > > > The LIST command is ONLY meant to be used as display output.O > It is not meant to be parsed by any program. As the RFC states about the LISTl	 > commanda > I > "Since the information on a file may vary widely from system to system,lL > this information may be hard to use automatically in a program, but may be  > quite useful to a human user."  E Yeah fine, so what?  Most graphical FTP interfaces attempt to displaytG more than just the file names, and try to allow the user to sort and/ora# filter by names, dates, sizes, etc.a  G NLST provides *ONLY* names.  No other information.  So it is inadequatee for this purpose.t  A LIST may have been only *MEANT* for display output, but when yourp3 only tool is a hammer, you pound in lots of screws.g   >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  > / > >> Does anyone know if this is fixed in sftp?  > >eL > >Isn't sftp just FTP over SSL? In which case, wouldn't "they" need to fix  > >the FTP RFC (959) first?  > >S >  >    -- 9 John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:08:12 +0100( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 9 Message-ID: <bjhdqa$jhit7$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   K "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message-3 news:2iO6b.495$vV.228@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...: > JF Mezei wrote:F > > Tom Linden wrote:t > >@- > >>Why not port bc from unix and pipe to it?o > >  > >-I > > If you really want VMS to take off big time, port Microsoft Office to  VMS"G > > (cough, shudder). Disable/remove all the dangerous features and allo
 those thatH > > don't abide by standards and then make it a robust trustable system. You'd beE > > selling VMS workstations by the tens of thousands to enterprises.  > >aI > > VMS would have a working Office while Linux would be left out to dry.  >e > Jeff,a > D > Have you tried using OpenOffice from OpenOffice.Org?  it reads andH > writes MSOffice files without the bugs in MSOffice... Runs on Windows,E > Linux and MAC OS X.  I have used it for a while and it works great.  >o  $ Has anyone tried porting OO to VMS ?     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - comn +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       ---l& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003y   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:16:51 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?.) Message-ID: <bjhkuj$51t$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   X In article <1030908013630.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:3 >On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:a >mS >> In article <3F57A0AF.5040802@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:n >> >John Santos wrote: >> >C >> >> The real cure for this is for "them" to define a standard for@8 >> >> FTP directory listings that everyone can stick to. >> >>  >> e( >> They did in RFC 959. Its called NLST.; >> An FTP client uses NLST to return the list of filenames.m >> r? >> The LIST command is ONLY meant to be used as display output.pP >> It is not meant to be parsed by any program. As the RFC states about the LIST
 >> command >> wJ >> "Since the information on a file may vary widely from system to system,M >> this information may be hard to use automatically in a program, but may beB! >> quite useful to a human user."  >rF >Yeah fine, so what?  Most graphical FTP interfaces attempt to displayH >more than just the file names, and try to allow the user to sort and/or$ >filter by names, dates, sizes, etc. > H >NLST provides *ONLY* names.  No other information.  So it is inadequate >for this purpose. > B >LIST may have been only *MEANT* for display output, but when your4 >only tool is a hammer, you pound in lots of screws. >l  B Yes in which case you bend the spirit of the RFC to accomodate newC developments such as webrowser interfaces by using a combination of  NLST and LIST.O With the list of filenames from NLST you actually stand a chance of identifyings- the filenames in the output produced by LIST.sE In a browser for instance it isn't exactly rocket science to use this ; combination to convert the filenames you locate into links.,M Going further and sorting by dates, size etc isn't possible since there is nolL consensus as to providing that information. For instance on VMS you have twoN different sizes for files - allocated and used. Which are you going to displayM and allow sorting on ? Ideally it should be on both but some other OS's don'th have this distinction.      L Personally I see absolutely no need for an FTP listing to be sorted by date 	 or size. kM If you want this so desperately then you are free to submit your own proposalr3 for a new RFC. With the RFC process you are "them".l        
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University         >> t
 >> David Webbi >> VMS and Unix team leader  >> CCSS  >> Middlesex Universityd >> r >> a >> s0 >> >> Does anyone know if this is fixed in sftp? >> >M >> >Isn't sftp just FTP over SSL? In which case, wouldn't "they" need to fix t >> >the FTP RFC (959) first? >> > >> s >> u >  >--  >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.o >781-861-0670 ext 539c >i   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 07:31:52 -0500'; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?L3 Message-ID: <0IE81Ax6wcFs@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  X In article <1030908013630.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > G > Yeah fine, so what?  Most graphical FTP interfaces attempt to displayhI > more than just the file names, and try to allow the user to sort and/oro% > filter by names, dates, sizes, etc.2 > I > NLST provides *ONLY* names.  No other information.  So it is inadequatea > for this purpose.y > C > LIST may have been only *MEANT* for display output, but when youra5 > only tool is a hammer, you pound in lots of screws.b  D    So, instead of trying to defeat the RFC, wouldn't it be better toB    add a new command to the RFC which provided the information youC    want in a machine-parseable manner?  Then everyone could programeC    to the RFC and not worry about what machine X version Y did withs    vendor Z's stack.  C    IMHO this is long missing from the RFC, but it's hardly the only (    thing missing from TCP/IP networking.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 07:51:59 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?y3 Message-ID: <tMdBbGO6cWNg@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  J In article <bjhkuj$51t$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > N > Personally I see absolutely no need for an FTP listing to be sorted by date  > or size. eO > If you want this so desperately then you are free to submit your own proposale5 > for a new RFC. With the RFC process you are "them".h  F    I do.  I've used it often with GUI FTP clients.  That's why I thinkG    there should be an addition to the RFC to provide it.  I don't think,B    the current trend of parsing what is meant to be human readable1    output should ever be expected to be bug free.i   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 07:41:22 -0500t; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?d3 Message-ID: <QLsT4YXJplRX@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  [ In article <3F5BF287.BDAE2D8C@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:p >  > How are ambiguities resolved?n  D    Existing UNIX shells don't resolve ambiguities.  They stop at theC    last predicatable character (some of them beep), and require the.=    user to type more characters so that the file name becomestC    unambiguous.  (Command completion in UNIX shells typically only h    handles file names.)e6                                                       A    And if someone really wants a whole lot of like-UNIX stuff in eD    their VMS system commands, they should look at running the shell E    provided with the COE work.  Won't be the first time a UNIX shell T    was ported to VMS.z  C    I do agree, however that file name completion would be a usefullDC    addition to DCL.  I used to run a "shell" from the VMS SIG tapesiC    that added both file name completion and command line editing toeG    VMS 3.  It was a simple unprivileged program that prompted, assistediH    the user with the input, and then called lib$do_command.  You ran it J    from a command file that looped.  There were lots of restrictions re:  E    what lib$do_command can do.  I stopped using it when VMS 4 gave us     command line editing.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:29:44 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)-' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?01 Message-ID: <sn07b.4192$zt4.459@news.cpqcorp.net>G  * In article <3F579283.BDDFAE01@istop.com>, , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  J >                                              ... Microsoft Office to VMSO >              ... Disable/remove all the dangerous features and all those thatJ >don't abide by standards ...t  0 Isn't Microsoft Office proprietary to Microsoft?  What "standards" does it follow?   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:46:52 -0600G% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>m' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?aA Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030908084502.00b6e898@raptor.psccos.com>y  , At 08:29 AM 9/8/2003, Charlie Hammond wrote:* >In article <3F579283.BDDFAE01@istop.com>,- >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:1 >4L > >                                              ... Microsoft Office to VMSG > >              ... Disable/remove all the dangerous features and all a > those that > >don't abide by standards ...2 >e1 >Isn't Microsoft Office proprietary to Microsoft?a! >What "standards" does it follow?   I When you're pervasive as Office is, it becomes the defacto standard.  Try K to come up with a different one and see how far that goes.  Besides, you'rerK not allowed to use the word "proprietary" when speaking of Microsoft, don't- ya know...?-   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:09:21 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?S. Message-ID: <bji630$a17$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes in article <87u17ompow.fsf@prep.synonet.com> dated Mon, 08 Sep 2003 02:14:07 +0800:u/ >lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:h >e >> Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> writes in article <3f562eb9$1@cpns1.saic.com> dated Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:11:05 -0700:I >>>   o If line-editing across a line-wrap can't be fixed in the terminal"& >>>     driver, work around it in DCL. >>B >> I second that!  Unix and Linux "bash" shells have it already.   > 0 >TECO has been able to do it for about 20 years.  3 Can you use TECO as an alternative command shell?  s  E I'm sure I could put something together in TPU.  (I still use the TPUa' newsreader I wrote in the early 1990s.)   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orge> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:02:05 +0100nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? 0 Message-ID: <bji95t$maj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote:, > In article <3F579283.BDDFAE01@istop.com>, . > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >  > J >>                                             ... Microsoft Office to VMSO >>             ... Disable/remove all the dangerous features and all those thato >>don't abide by standards ... >  > 2 > Isn't Microsoft Office proprietary to Microsoft?" > What "standards" does it follow? >    RTFh   Regardsi Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 04:46:50 -0500h- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Documentation for $setenv system servicew3 Message-ID: <4HZRDqTIKjBP@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  g In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-neyj6s1sd7Cv@localhost>, "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> writes: E > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:25:23 UTC, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote:n > + >> Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:uM >> : From what I've been able to determine from looking at the docs (which I  J >> : did for this purpose about a year ago), the $SETENV service can only M >> : modify a subset of console environment variables.  That subset does NOT o >> p >> Where is $SETENV documented?  >> 90 >> There's no mention of it in the Master Index. > H > Sadly, I suspect the Master Index is not what it once was. I remember @ > being disappointed earlier this year when I  went looking for  > something.  B The Master Index is readily adjusted, but indexing is an extremelyB difficult task to do at a sitting.  The VMS documentation is in anC ideal position to be updated if readers who find a defect will juste
 send email tos   	openvmsdoc@compaq.com  E (as documented in the hp-branded) beginning of the VMS V7.3-1 Releasea Notes).e   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 06:20:51 -0500nB From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)A Subject: Fork() and Unix compatibility work timetable and scope ?e3 Message-ID: <axqYzy1DLP1z@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  E What is the current timetable for the availability of fork() on VMS ?w9 Will it have full Unix semantics or a restricted subset ?t  N Also, what is the current scope and timetable of the Unix compatibility work ?I Will you be able to, say, run configure against the standard Emacs sourcee and then build Emacs on VMS ?   L BTW, I know that someone is working on porting a current version of Emacs toJ VMS. My question is about been able to take the standard Emacs source codeK and build it on this future version of VMS without any VMS specific changesa to the Emacs code.  J In other words, I am using Emacs as an example of something that I think aI full Unix compatibility layer should be able to build with very few or noa changes.   Thanks for any information,l   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 06:47:59 -0500p- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)pE Subject: Re: Fork() and Unix compatibility work timetable and scope ?i3 Message-ID: <izcqAHYH11CT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <axqYzy1DLP1z@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:G > What is the current timetable for the availability of fork() on VMS ?t; > Will it have full Unix semantics or a restricted subset ?   K I have heard it requires changes so severe it would never be in 7.anything.   P > Also, what is the current scope and timetable of the Unix compatibility work ?   There is more of it in 7.3-2.   K > Will you be able to, say, run configure against the standard Emacs sourcep > and then build Emacs on VMS ?a  E SDK kits are now available, so for $44 someone who cares can find outa the current state.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 09:32:39 -0700r From: manew262@yahoo.com (Mike)j! Subject: ftp/ucx timeout setting?s= Message-ID: <aeb7cb75.0309080832.7ee85fe8@posting.google.com>a   Hi,   O I'm having a problem w/ a W2K to VMS ftp connection timing out on the VMS end. i   Here's what we're running :   > Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 4:   on a AlphaServer 4100 5/466 4MB running OpenVMS V6.2-1H3  J Is there a logical or something I can set to control the timeout settings?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:00:28 +0100o% From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>l. Subject: How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST8 Message-ID: <fj2plvsv58cp8g3jrbs7sg4tmn6kc6b8pg@4ax.com>   Greetings all, n  C Just knocking up a simple bit of DCL to see if SDLT tapes have beend> mounted in the correct drives.  Issuing the following command    $ mount/noassist dev lab log t  B I get a %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline message after two mins. How do I change this value?      Thanks in advance, e 	Dave.     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:27:22 GMTr4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)2 Subject: Re: How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST= Message-ID: <ud17b.192303$2x.53912@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>t  ` In article <fj2plvsv58cp8g3jrbs7sg4tmn6kc6b8pg@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: !Greetings all,  !nD !Just knocking up a simple bit of DCL to see if SDLT tapes have been? !mounted in the correct drives.  Issuing the following command a !o !$ mount/noassist dev lab log  ! C !I get a %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline message after two mins.a !How do I change this value?    K Unless I'm greatly mistaken, that value is MVTIMEOUT in SYSGEN; its defaultc value is 3600 seconds.   !  !s !Thanks in advance,  !	Dave.   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' t0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:02:36 +0000 (UTC), From: Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com>2 Subject: Re: How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST( Message-ID: <bjicnc$8jv$2@pcls4.std.com>  6 brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:  a >In article <fj2plvsv58cp8g3jrbs7sg4tmn6kc6b8pg@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes:. >!Greetings all,   >!E >!Just knocking up a simple bit of DCL to see if SDLT tapes have beenu@ >!mounted in the correct drives.  Issuing the following command  >! >!$ mount/noassist dev lab log n >!D >!I get a %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline message after two mins. >!How do I change this value?   L >Unless I'm greatly mistaken, that value is MVTIMEOUT in SYSGEN; its default >value is 3600 seconds.   E No, MVTIMEOUT is the time that an already-mounted disk that goes into:I mount verify has to recover.  If it is exceeded it goes into Mount Verify - Timeout state and outstanding IOs are failed.e  C I think the time Mount gives to mount a disk/tape with noassist is s: compiled into the mount image and is not easily changable. -- e -Mikes   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 11:50:52 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org2 Subject: Re: How to set timeout for MOUNT/NOASSIST3 Message-ID: <1Ke$Il1l1aQm@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  t In article <ud17b.192303$2x.53912@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:b > In article <fj2plvsv58cp8g3jrbs7sg4tmn6kc6b8pg@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: > !Greetings all,  > !sF > !Just knocking up a simple bit of DCL to see if SDLT tapes have beenA > !mounted in the correct drives.  Issuing the following command   > !a  > !$ mount/noassist dev lab log  > !wE > !I get a %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline message after two mins.d > !How do I change this value? V > M > Unless I'm greatly mistaken, that value is MVTIMEOUT in SYSGEN; its defaultt > value is 3600 seconds.  C If you have a valid mounted volume and the device goes offline, andFD you then have an I/O operation fail, the volume is placed into mountB verification status, the I/O operation is queued for retry and youB have MVTIMEOUT seconds to get that device back online.  After thatF the volume is placed in MVTIMEOUT status and all queued I/O operations$ are completed with a failure status.  G What we're talking about here is the delay while mounting a new volume.rK This is generally far shorter.  And I have no clue about where that timeoutaD value is set.  My guess would be that it's hard coded in the PACKACK< $QIO at the driver level.  But that's a pretty flimsy guess.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:26:46 GMTc+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>a1 Subject: Re: Limit Processor utilisation per usera2 Message-ID: <BB81C395.B6E2%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  L On 9/7/03 8:19 PM, in article 3F5BF541.4FA42ADD@fsi.net, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > Michael Austin wrote:d >> u >> AWN_VSIS wrote: >> eP >>> Forgot to tell, the user is connecting with a TELNET session and has its own >>> useraccount. >>>  >>> C >>> "AWN_VSIS" <anty_SPAM_email_adres@email.com> schreef in berichtm4 >>> news:3f5ba886$0$49108$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... >>> G >>>> Is it possible to limit a user tot a maximum of for example 30% of== >>>> processing time on an Alpha800 running OPEN VMS 7.1.2 ??a >>>> e; >>>> Please respond to awakeren@xs4all.nl or in this group.A >>>> e >>>> A newbee,
 >>>> Arjan >>>>   >>>> | >>>> E >>>> s >>>  >>>  >>>  >> / >> In AUTHORIZE see: >> UAF> HELP MOD /CPUTIME  > H > Not quite. He wants to limit an active process to no more than 30% CPUG > Util at any given time, not a limit on CPU time total for the process  > lifetime.h > I > To answer the OP, not as you might think. There are parameters that can=D > be manipulated, process priority being the most obvious. This willF > control how often a process gets scheduled into the CPU, but not how' > much it will use during those slices.   L Process Priority is the most obvious, as MA wrote above. If you want to makeI sure a user does not get vital CPU time when others need it, then processaI priority is the thing you want to control. So if you lower this user to aoI base priority of 2, then most users (who are typically at 4) would not bel6 effected by this user going into a hard compute state.  E However if nobody else is using the processor he will get 100% if hisiH process wants it, but that's OK, if a normal user becomes computable, he3 looses the processor at the next cpu quantum cycle.u  " To change a user's base priority :  7 $SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM  ! Unless your SYSUAF is elsewhere.- $MCR AUTHORIZE$ SYSUAF>MODIFY <user-name>/PRIORITY=2   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:07:55 GMT.& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>1 Subject: Re: Limit Processor utilisation per userP8 Message-ID: <p6aplvshdn6pg7prcouki7gfejmonsa1dv@4ax.com>  - On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:52:09 +0200, "AWN_VSIS" ( <anty_SPAM_email_adres@email.com> wrote:  C >Is it possible to limit a user tot a maximum of for example 30% ofa9 >processing time on an Alpha800 running OPEN VMS 7.1.2 ??s >l7 >Please respond to awakeren@xs4all.nl or in this group.d >a
 >A newbee,  C There used to be a package (Referee?) that would allow you to limit J user/group usage of CPU.  I think it played games with process priority of Null to get it to work.t  K Personally, I've always tended to tell users that, if their work takes moreaJ than 2 minutes to return a result, they're better off creating a batch jobI (I chose two minutes because most people aren't patient enough to wait at0. the terminal for results that take that long).  C Batch processing is the most viable solution, imho, for the kind of3K activity you describe.  And you can create batch queues with different basevF priorities for the estimated length of time the job should take (e.g.,B short, medium, long-running jobs).  You can also adjust the memory? allocations of batch queues to encourage users to utilize them.   K Most often, this is a people/training problem than a technical problem.  If F you've got a stubborn user, then just set their default priority to 1.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:31:39 GMTb, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>C Subject: Re: Limit Processor utilisation per user (Class Scheduler)a2 Message-ID: <%137b.4227$EW4.2154@news.cpqcorp.net>  = Class Scheduler is defined in the 'system managers reference' I http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6017/6017pro_023.html#index_x_11854$ and points to the sysman commands in the system managers utilities:I http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6048/6048pro_067.html#index_x_1947e      : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:IWDpaL07wtcy@eisner.encompasserve.org...fC > In article <3f5ba886$0$49108$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, "AWN_VSIS"l) <anty_SPAM_email_adres@email.com> writes:  > F > > Is it possible to limit a user tot a maximum of for example 30% of< > > processing time on an Alpha800 running OPEN VMS 7.1.2 ?? >"I > You need to look for "Class Scheduler" in the documentation.  There are G > two different ways to do it, both too complex to avoid looking at thee< > documentation.  The Master Index is (usually) your friend.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 07:41:03 +0200w From: "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de>:9 Subject: Re: Looking for JAVA-based  "terrminal emulator" - Message-ID: <bjh4pm$jr9$1@swifty.westend.com>h  0 Michael Austin schrub im Jahre 08.09.2003 01:06:  J > I am looking for a terminal emulator - preferrably free whereby I could H >   have a web page that a user can select a pre-configured command and H > have a JAVA-based terminal emulator pop up, execute the command, wait N > n-seconds and then exit.  like - execute QUOTAWATCH program from a web page. > I > I see several on the commercial side (PowerTerm, Reflections), but was  . > wondering of there was a freeware version...   http://www.mud.de/se/jta/    --  H B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de          Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of them9 Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchnIH Tips und Tricks zum Mozilla & Netscape 6/7: http://www.holgermetzger.de/H I want your VAX http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/iwantyou.html   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 15:56:22 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>9 Subject: Re: Looking for JAVA-based  "terrminal emulator"a6 Message-ID: <20030908155622.12533.qmail@gacracker.org>  M On Sun, 07 Sep 2003, Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>p wrote:I >I am looking for a terminal emulator - preferrably free whereby I could -G >  have a web page that a user can select a pre-configured command and aG >have a JAVA-based terminal emulator pop up, execute the command, wait dM >n-seconds and then exit.  like - execute QUOTAWATCH program from a web page.o >.H >I see several on the commercial side (PowerTerm, Reflections), but was - >wondering of there was a freeware version...e  E I don't know if this is any help, but Deathrow uses a Java SSH client   ! http://dahmer.vistech.net/webssh/r     Doc. -- tK OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.mK [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com     http://vmsbox.cjb.netc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:07:53 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com) Subject: Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?i? Message-ID: <OF0FA14E86.DB58A321-ON85256D9B.00477E80@metso.com>a   ]y  . ] From:     hammond@not on 09/04/2003 10:56 AM  A ] Please respond to hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)l   ] To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ] cc:a ]a, ] Subject:  Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs? ]s ]e: ] In article <l9iclvc9bm36mmd4u5js8lqks809j06lqm@4ax.com>, paul@wren.cc.kux.edu writes:H ] >Can I just boot to MINCONFIG and install the PCSI OS patches, and, byE ] >that method, keep from having to reboot repeatedly, just rebootingo, ] >when all the patches have been installed? ]-  ] No need or reason to boot min. ] ! ] For OpenVMS V7.2-2 and later --n ]vB ]     First ensure that the latest PCSI remedial kit is installed.J ]     This should be a seperate(sic) installation; it should not require a re-boot. ] 1 ]     Then you can install all the other patches,e: ]     either with separate PRODUCT INSTALL <kit> commands,5 ]     or in a single PRODUCT INSTALL <kit>,<kit>,...,fC ]     or just PRODUCT INSTALL * and choose the patch kits you want.  ]l3 ]     After all desired kits are installed, reboot.t ]n  F IF on uses the "*" or "<kit>,<kit>,...,<kit>" method with "/SAVE" then a)  Will it work? E b)  Will it create one SYS$SYSDEVICE[PCSI$UNDO_nnn] directory, or onet     for each "<kit>"?A or( c) Will it fail in some spectacular way?  G ] For older systems, which no longer have up-to-date PCSI remedial kitseE ] avaiable, I suggest you install the patch kits one-by-one, and thene ] do a single re-boot. ]e ]aI ] As always, it is a *VERY* good idea to have a known good backup of yourcJ ] system disk before installing or upgrading software products or patches.  & Isn't UNDO supposed to help with this?   ]o ] --K ]      Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAlH ]           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)@ ]       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.o ]t ]  ]'   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:06:34 GMTi3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)i) Subject: Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs? 2 Message-ID: <eO17b.4213$NH4.2340@news.cpqcorp.net>  @ In article <OF0FA14E86.DB58A321-ON85256D9B.00477E80@metso.com>,  norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  H >IF on uses the [PRODUCT INSTALL] "*" or "<kit>,<kit>,...,<kit>" method  >with "/SAVE" then >a)  Will it work?  8 It is intended to work and has been tested successfully.  9 That said, it is reasonable to expect that there are somee5 situations in which it may fail.  E.g., a full disk. t7 Hence the strong recommendation for backup. (see below)   F >b)  Will it create one SYS$SYSDEVICE[PCSI$UNDO_nnn] directory, or one >    for each "<kit>"?  N When installing multiple kits using /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA, one recovery data setC is created (ie, embodied in the [PCSI$UNDO_001...] directory tree).q  F PRODUCT UNDO PATCH uninstalls all patches associated with the selectedK recovery data sets.  Therefore, if you create a recovery data set with datayK for 3 patch kits, then all 3 patches are "undone" as a unit when you selects that recovery data set.@      J >] As always, it is a *VERY* good idea to have a known good backup of yourK >] system disk before installing or upgrading software products or patches.  >>' >Isn't UNDO supposed to help with this?t  A Yes, there is overlap in what can be "undone" by PRODUCT UNDO andv/ BACKUP, but the need for BACKUP is still there.a  J UNDO makes it easier to remove patches.  Previously, you had to re-installI OpenVMS and any patches you wanted to retain.  With UNDO, you can remove rK recent patches, leaving OpenVMS and prior patches in place.  This generallym requires much less time.  G BACKUP protects you from things like power or hardware problems, or anyrI damages that an {ahem} errant patch may have done while it was installed.m   -- sJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:02:33 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com) Subject: Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?0? Message-ID: <OF74DD0077.FF03B4D7-ON85256D9B.005D61AD@metso.com>8  I Of course, I did not mean to imply that one or more backups should not ber done first.TH Thanks for the clarification about multiple ecos going into one recovery dataset.  ) From:  hammond@not on 09/08/2003 12:06 PM   ? Please respond to hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)S   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   , Subject:    Re: MINCONFIG for PCSI installs?    ? In article <OF0FA14E86.DB58A321-ON85256D9B.00477E80@metso.com>,h norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  G >IF on uses the [PRODUCT INSTALL] "*" or "<kit>,<kit>,...,<kit>" methodm >with "/SAVE" then >a)  Will it work?  8 It is intended to work and has been tested successfully.  9 That said, it is reasonable to expect that there are somea4 situations in which it may fail.  E.g., a full disk.7 Hence the strong recommendation for backup. (see below)   F >b)  Will it create one SYS$SYSDEVICE[PCSI$UNDO_nnn] directory, or one >    for each "<kit>"?  J When installing multiple kits using /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA, one recovery data setuC is created (ie, embodied in the [PCSI$UNDO_001...] directory tree).e  F PRODUCT UNDO PATCH uninstalls all patches associated with the selectedK recovery data sets.  Therefore, if you create a recovery data set with dataeK for 3 patch kits, then all 3 patches are "undone" as a unit when you select  that recovery data set.r      J >] As always, it is a *VERY* good idea to have a known good backup of yourK >] system disk before installing or upgrading software products or patches.2 >1' >Isn't UNDO supposed to help with this?o  A Yes, there is overlap in what can be "undone" by PRODUCT UNDO andt/ BACKUP, but the need for BACKUP is still there.s  J UNDO makes it easier to remove patches.  Previously, you had to re-installH OpenVMS and any patches you wanted to retain.  With UNDO, you can removeK recent patches, leaving OpenVMS and prior patches in place.  This generally  requires much less time.  G BACKUP protects you from things like power or hardware problems, or any)I damages that an {ahem} errant patch may have done while it was installed.    --J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:27:21 +0100rO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>,. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived0 Message-ID: <bjhi1p$e1q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > Come on.  Slow day or something?  This looks like a rehash of crap from 6 L > months ago -- oh, maybe someone saw 3/9/2003 and flipped the month and theN > date.  Typical.  Nor are the numbers anything but a IDC guess.  They are not$ > from HP.  They are not from Intel. >   ; IDC generally collate the numbers that are reported to them- by the vendors.8  = Are you saying that this very specific number for Itanium wasu' produced using some alternative method.e   Regardsb Andrew Harrisonm > = > "mist dragon" <mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message 8 > news:7500353b.0309030558.b20d2ef@posting.google.com... > 4 >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/32619.html >> >>Especially this sentence : >>D >>It looks like HP is the Itanium ecosystem. In a server market withG >>millions of units shipped overall per quarter, HP is pounding ItaniumrF >>rivals into the ground with 3,178 Itanium sales. The rest shipped 72 >>systems combined.. >>B >>Don't worry, Carly, we're only a decade into this Itanium thing.H >>There's plenty of time to pick things up. These numbers don't take theG >>Madison chip into account. It only arrived at mid-year. The third try> >>is sure to be the charmh >> >>Mt >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:00:39 +0100oO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> . Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived0 Message-ID: <bjhr18$h8l$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:o > rob kas wrote: > A >> The New Itanium chip has some really good performance numbers.*L >> As long as Intel doesn't come out with a Yamill type chip , Itanium  will- >>start selling sooner or in this case later.y >  > I > Does HP currently still sell more Pa-risc based systems than IA64 based  > systems ?c >   > Yes, a lot. If the majority of HP Enterprise servers sold were< IA64 based systems then at ~3000 units per quarter (mostly 2@ CPU's) HP would have dropped out of the Enterprise Server market; completely as it is they are 2and in the UNIX market with ab combination of HP-PA and Alpha.c  L > Until IA64 sells more units than the combination of Pa-Risc, Alpha and theN > tandem-destined MIPS, then it is still a newborn chip struggling to catch up > inside of HP.h >   E Its a chicken and egg situation, until they get some ISV support thenoB they will struggle to get anyone to buy the systems except for HPCB and home grown apps. Until they get some market presence they will. struggle to get ISV's to support the platform.  = Take Oracle there are ~290 Oracle applications and componentsl certified for Solaris/SPARC.  A At the last count there were a grand total of 4 Oracle componentsi? or products certified for HP-UX on Itanium, the same 4 are also  certified for Linux on Itanium.   A Ironically HP trumpet Oracles support for Itanium in almost everyvA ISV press release for Itanium based systems when in fact the onlyeB server platform supported as abjectly as Itanium is the truly daft Linux on zSeries oddity.  C Even OpenVMS/Alpha despite having a large number of Oracle products>B withdrawn/desupported is better supported with ~80 oracle products and components.&  @ Seibel Systems also well trumpeted by HP are only supporting the@ Seibel RDBMS layer running on Itanium the application tier whichB is supported on Windows, Solaris and AIX isn't. Seibel support forD the RDBMS didn't require them to port anything just a qualification.  < Press releases are easy to put out porting, testing etc more difficult hence HPQ's problem.  O > And until IA64 sales exceeed 8096 architecture sales (in units shipped, not $ G > value), then IA64 is still very far away from gaining the designationb > "industry standard". >   C Most analysts were only predicting that IA64 would take ~15% of theaC server market by 2006/2007. I say were because these estimates were D based on a much faster ramp up in volumes than we have in fact seen.   Regards  Andrew Harrison,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:02:48 +0100wO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived0 Message-ID: <bji5mp$l38$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  
 CJT wrote: > David Mathog wrote:  >  >> On 3 Sep 2003 06:58:28 -0700h2 >> mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) wrote: >> >>6 >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/32619.html >>>e >>> Especially this sentence :F >>> It looks like HP is the Itanium ecosystem. In a server market withI >>> millions of units shipped overall per quarter, HP is pounding ItaniumuH >>> rivals into the ground with 3,178 Itanium sales. The rest shipped 72 >>> systems combined.I >>>a >> >>E >> The real fun will come when Intel starts amortizing the true costsyE >> for the Itanic by adding them on to the retail price of the chip. aE >> Certainly at this time the "retail price" of the Itanium is a pure A >> economic fantasy.  It has no relationship whatsoever to any ofeD >> the costs associated with the chip.  Given the zillion to 1 ratioF >> between the actual costs and the sales price, and the minute numberD >> of units shipped, they might as well just give them away for free* >> and label them all engineering samples. >  > I > How many Itaniums (Itaniae?) does one wafer yield?  Or perhaps I shouldn3 > ask how many wafers it takes to yield an Itanium?r >   / Itanium II is 374 mm sq in a 130nm 300mm wafer.s  : This results in ~170 Madisons/wafer when you factor in the8 round wafer square die losses at the edges of the wafer.  7 Lets say you get a 60% yield this gets you 102 Madisons 
 per wafer.  8 Madison is a 300 mm process, I don't know which Fab/Fabs8 Intel builds Madisons in but Intels Fab 11X in Mexico is- a 300 mm Fab with a 200,000 sq ft clean room.   6 In May this plant was apparently managing 6,600 (which seems low for its size) 300 mm wafer starts per month.n  9 Assuming a 30 day month this ammounts to 220 wafer startsV per day.  5 If you get 102 madisons per wafer this means that thei3 Intel Fab11X plant would be capable of building theX1 entire quarters Itanium production ~8000 CPU's inh less than a day.  1 The plant cost 2 billion so clearly you could notL" dedicate it to Itanium production.   Regardse Andrew Harrison     G > So how many wafers have they processed as production to be sold?  Howi > many hours did that take?t >  >> Hmm.s >>B >> Is HP actually paying Intel per Itanium unit, as they would forA >> other Intel CPUs?  If so, it would be interesting to know juste >> how much they cost HP.i >> >> Regards,d >> >> David Mathogt >> mathog@caltech.edu A >> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltecho >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:13:24 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>g. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrivedH Message-ID: <UM27b.192695$_V.89011@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in message , news:I9CdnUCqw7vif8WiU-KYgw@mpowercom.net...6 > "David Svensson" <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote in message9 > news:734da31c.0309050819.7853ee98@posting.google.com...  > >'9 > > HP most likely advertise Itanium more than the othersd > >eF > A good point.  However, I don't recall seeing any Itanium ads, HP orL > otherwise.  Where is HP advertising these systems?  Perhaps the same venue > as all those VMS ads?     H That's right....The Journal of VMS and Itanium Advertising, a controlledG circulation magazine. Customers and potential customers need not apply.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:57:35 +0300 " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>, Subject: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1% Message-ID: <3F5C8ACF.C5956D1@hp.com>r  1 I wanted to draw your attention to the following:z  < Last week two linker ECOs came out : VMS731_LINKER-V0200 and VMS73_LINKER-V0400..F These kits increase the size of a code image section from 32MB to 1GB. Using the new linker,a@ large images (images with code sections that exceed 32MB) may be  installed resident. This featureA is particularly useful for Oracle users. By installing ORACLE.EXEv- resident, significant performance enhancement. is gained (upto 30%).   % Let me know if you have any questions.  	 Guy Pelegu OpenVMS Engineeringu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:41:41 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>= Subject: Open Office on VMS [was: Do we need a DCL debugger?] - Message-ID: <3F5C40C5.8427.D43EF36@localhost>h  * On 8 Sep 2003 at 9:08, John Travell wrote:F > > Have you tried using OpenOffice from OpenOffice.Org?  it reads andJ > > writes MSOffice files without the bugs in MSOffice... Runs on Windows,G > > Linux and MAC OS X.  I have used it for a while and it works great.- > & > Has anyone tried porting OO to VMS ?  F There is a group of volunteers in Europe working on that as we speak. > If you'd like to contribute some time, I can get you an email  address.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671<1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  431472= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:57:13 GMTl& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products8 Message-ID: <rn9plvomb0m5k22hveu3qq4u34ffou51vb@4ax.com>  J On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:05:58 -0700, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote:   >JF Mezei wrote: > J >> But at the end of the year, it becomes a real pain to remove/delete the >> expired licences. >l >You're kidding, right?p >s >  $ LICENSE DELETE *U  H Yeah, otherwise, just create a new version of the ldb, then execute bothB command files (one for OpenVMS, and one for the layered products).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:10:50 GMTa& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: RdB on EVA ?o8 Message-ID: <553plvo3ujcetmp99v20t5qsvbmk857mv7@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:27:16 +0200, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:t     >.R >HPQ storage engineers gave me this advice several times over the past years, the Q >last time during a hands-on session at HP world 2003 in Atlanta a few weeks ago.   G Got it.  Don't think it's been actually significantly measurable in the  real-world, however,   >aP >A good example would be to put Oracle redo files on a 'sequential' disk group, 1 >and the database files on a 'random' disk group.e  J Are you sure this was for performance reasons?  We've configured them thisK way for reliability reasons (i.e., the possibility that a single disk groupLK may go away, so having the redo files in a separate group provides an addeds level of security).@  K I suppose that for random reads, vs sequential reads, the cache may be moresJ effective for sequential reads.... but I don't know if this is significantK except perhaps in some workloads way out on the ragged edge.  But I'm stillwH skeptical whether this gives more than 5%, maybe 10% improvement for all the hassle that it causes.   >> dI >> There is a balance between flexibility, manageability, and performancemL >> here.  I really doubt you'd be able to measure much significant gain fromJ >> the effort to split these into two groups.  If you've got 100 spindles,M >> splitting into 50 for sequential and 50 for random access will not provide.< >> much benefit from just leaving all 100 in the same group. > N >I can imagine that the automatic tuning algorithm of the EVA can distinguish O >between sequential and random access, thus optimizing disk groups accordingly.  >   D Again, though, having the workload spread across 100 disks is a HUGEJ payback in performance and reducing disk contention.  And it's much easierH to manage (administering luns, snapshots, continuous access replication,I etc.)  In most workloads these all far outweigh the marginal benefits youd6 may possibly gain from splitting into multiple groups.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:43:36 GMT@9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 7 Subject: Re: Slow keyboard autorepeat rate for new DS10l2 Message-ID: <sA07b.4194$7q4.3338@news.cpqcorp.net>  8 "John Johnstone" <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com> wrote in message# news:3F58DD3E.50DCDAB8@yahoo.com...yD > I've just setup a new AlphaServer DS10 and it appears that the newA > console firmware V6.5-15 has a REAL slow autorepeat rate on therE > keyboard (LK462-A2 A01).  Hmmm, we finally get a graphics card (ATIhF > Radeon 7500) that's fairly fast and somebody slows down the keyboardA > autorepeat rate!  I guess that it's the new firmware that's thewA > culprit since I didn't see this with the previous version V6.4.uC > There's no mention of this in the V6.5 firmware release notes.  In% > could roll back to V6.4 to be sure.i >lG > Has anyone else seen this?  Is there any way to change the autorepeattG > rate back up to what it was before?  There were some flaky autorepeatnH > rate problems with some Personal Workstations (the one that I'm typingB > this on actually), but this is the first time I've seen anything > unusual with a DS10.  H Hmmm.  The autorepeat rate is actually software generated (at least onceI DECwindows is running - in console mode I think it's a function of the KBlI "typematic" mode).  In the past rates too fast or too slow have generallyiI been associated with bugs in some graphics drivers (which drive the timer J based logic).  The R7500 driver uses a common software interrupt mechanism3 for doing autorepeat - so it should work just fine.    What were you using before?   I The rate should be a 500ms timeout before starting autorepeat, and a 30msn interval for each metronome.  L But this has bugged me for a while.  Maybe in my spare time I'll add code to/ allow the user to change these values to taste.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:18:45 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchyf9 Message-ID: <bji346$io84t$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>7   JF Mezei wrote:g > ...a> > Beware. Those newsfeeds which automatically do filter binary contents8 > from non binary newsgroups tend to render the newsfeed uselessP6 > because of excessive delay in deliveryt as well as a significant4> > percentage of dropped legitimate posts, and some that arrive up to a 9 > week later. And stuff arrives in random order (you read- responses a-, > day before the original question arrives). > ...a  < NEWS.CIS.DFN.DE automatically filters binary files so I only; see the discussions about the binary postings in VMSNET notp: the binaries themselves. NEWS.CIS.DFN.DE does not have any= problems with delays or dropping legitimate posts as far as Ie6 know. I have no complaints at all with them and highly* recommend them to anyone who needs a feed.  > The newsfeed that I am supposed to use while at this site does> have serve problems with delays, dropping legitimate posts and9 it even expired some articles in less than 24 hours whiler; others lasted weeks. The newsfeed I am supposed to use doesR< not filter binary files, but it is the worst newsfeed I have
 ever seen.   -- n Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.8 Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXc www.weaverconsulting.cap   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:24:46 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk% Subject: The vultures are circulatingg) Message-ID: <bjhlde$51t$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>s  5 Just received this SPAM from sector7 under the title  @ "Reduce TCO through server consolidation and platform migration"   "e LS,m  E Sector7 (www.sector7.com) can help you reduce the total costs of your K platforms through server consolidation and application rehosting, e.g. from_B HP3000 or VAX/OpenVMS to a new UNIX, LINUX or Windows environment.  G At this moment, the installed base of HP Alpha servers within Europe isnH decreasing rapidly. Besides the replacement of older legacy systems likeJ HP3000 and VAX/OpenVMS, more and more organizations running their businessH applications on Alpha/OpenVMS and/or Alpha/Tru64 UNIX decide not to waitE until they will be forced to migrate due to the end-of-support of thegL hardware/software (inclusing ISV products), but take the step now to replaceK the Alpha platform, and consolidate their legacy applications and databasesaJ on a new or existing UNIX (AIX, HP-UX, Solaris), LINUX or Windows platform  within their server environment.   .L .a .    "b  O HP need to advertise VMS's future more otherwise many more company's managementn0 will force migrations based on this kind of FUD.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader o CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:36:16 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>) Subject: Re: The vultures are circulatingd/ Message-ID: <00A25964.59A6CC14.1@tachysoft.com>t   >o6 >Just received this SPAM from sector7 under the title A >"Reduce TCO through server consolidation and platform migration"t >v >" >LS, > F >Sector7 (www.sector7.com) can help you reduce the total costs of yourL >platforms through server consolidation and application rehosting, e.g. fromC >HP3000 or VAX/OpenVMS to a new UNIX, LINUX or Windows environment.H >t   [horseshit deleted]/   >I >" >sP >HP need to advertise VMS's future more otherwise many more company's management1 >will force migrations based on this kind of FUD.. >     L I've always hated this company, since their whole reason for existance is toN get people off vms so that they can sell their conversion shit.  The fact thatO the customer's site is now fucked up with eunuchs or billy shit is of no conern  because they got their money.e  L Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can figure out that they have aM hidden agenda for saying this shit.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of peoplet% in the industry with brain cells < 2.mO ===============================================================================.N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   tO ===============================================================================ON Butler:"Gentlemen!"  Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?"   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 07:57:42 -0500f+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r) Subject: Re: The vultures are circulatingr3 Message-ID: <BJMdekbSDjq$@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  J In article <bjhlde$51t$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:7 > Just received this SPAM from sector7 under the title  B > "Reduce TCO through server consolidation and platform migration" >  > "e > LS,0 > G > Sector7 (www.sector7.com) can help you reduce the total costs of yourcM > platforms through server consolidation and application rehosting, e.g. from5D > HP3000 or VAX/OpenVMS to a new UNIX, LINUX or Windows environment. > I > At this moment, the installed base of HP Alpha servers within Europe iswJ > decreasing rapidly. Besides the replacement of older legacy systems likeL > HP3000 and VAX/OpenVMS, more and more organizations running their businessJ > applications on Alpha/OpenVMS and/or Alpha/Tru64 UNIX decide not to waitG > until they will be forced to migrate due to the end-of-support of theoN > hardware/software (inclusing ISV products), but take the step now to replaceM > the Alpha platform, and consolidate their legacy applications and databasesaL > on a new or existing UNIX (AIX, HP-UX, Solaris), LINUX or Windows platform" > within their server environment. >  > .  > .R > .e >  > "F > Q > HP need to advertise VMS's future more otherwise many more company's managementh2 > will force migrations based on this kind of FUD. >   : 	Sector 7 has run similar ads for years.  This isn't news.   				Robs   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:15:22 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk) Subject: Re: The vultures are circulatings) Message-ID: <bjhvda$87n$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>i  a In article <BJMdekbSDjq$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:aK >In article <bjhlde$51t$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: 8 >> Just received this SPAM from sector7 under the title   R >> HP need to advertise VMS's future more otherwise many more company's management3 >> will force migrations based on this kind of FUD.h >> o >t; >	Sector 7 has run similar ads for years.  This isn't news.w >   O Maybe I've just been lucky then. This is the first time I've received this typeb of unsolicited email from them.h  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >				Rob >S   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:57:25 GMTu# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-) Subject: Re: The vultures are circulating1H Message-ID: <pN07b.191745$_V.45152@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:BJMdekbSDjq$@eisner.encompasserve.org...0 >2; > Sector 7 has run similar ads for years.  This isn't news.   C It may not be news, but HP does no advertsing of VMS to counter the38 impression that Sector 7 tries (successfully) to convey.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:58:13 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ) Subject: Re: The vultures are circulatinge0 Message-ID: <bji8um$m44$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Wayne Sewell wrote: 7 >>Just received this SPAM from sector7 under the title sB >>"Reduce TCO through server consolidation and platform migration"  N > I've always hated this company, since their whole reason for existance is toP > get people off vms so that they can sell their conversion shit.  The fact thatQ > the customer's site is now fucked up with eunuchs or billy shit is of no conern  > because they got their money.t >   F Perhaps you should voice this complaint to HP rather than Sector 7 who HP endorse.u  1 http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/visual/faq.htmly? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/cobol/DEC_COBOL_RN_V27.htm 7 http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/visual/companion.htmlt  = All refer to Sector 7 specifically for their tools that allow / you to migrate from OpenVMS to other platforms.-  ; They even give you an alternative of Accelr8 as well if your% don't want a single source of supply.j    N > Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can figure out that they have aO > hidden agenda for saying this shit.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of peoplea' > in the industry with brain cells < 2.o  4 So where are you now with your comments about people and brain cells ?n   Regardsn Andrew Harrisong   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 03:46:33 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>P Subject: Re: using a FALCO 5000 as a console terminal on an ALPHAstation 255/2335 Message-ID: <1030908033717.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>@  C On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:    > Subject says it all. > G > Actually, it probably doesn't matter if it's the console or not, and  A > probably doesn't matter what type of system it is connected to.s > C > I posted a while back on this question, and after I couldn't get o9 > anything to work, concluded that it is a cable problem.t > J > I realised there are at least 50 types of serial cable: each end can be H > DEC 423 or, if not, then large or small and male or female.  That's 5 I > possibilities times two ends is 25.  Multiply by 2 since the cable can D! > be crossed or straight-through.h > J > So, I tried out my cables.  I have about 6 different kinds (discounting 3 > whether or not they are straight-through or not).  > H > The only cable I have which seems to work has a big DB25 at each end, K > one male and one female.  The Falco (in contrast to, say, a VT320) has a dG > female connector.  So, I connected the male end to the Falco and the  H > female end to a DB25-to-DB9 adapter.  (The ALPHAstation has male DB9'sH > for the serial ports; obviously, the adapter is female on both sides.) >  > This now seems to work.v > K > The remaining problem is that the cursor isn't well behaved.  Sometimes, rG > some of the output appears twice---where it should be, and somewhere 6? > else.  Things like MONITOR have some of the output misplaced.i > J > There is nothing obviously wrong going by the output of SHOW TERMINAL.  C > However, there seem to be things in the Falco setup which aren't H > indicated in SHOW TERMINAL.o > G > Does anyone have a FALCO connected to a VMS machine and have it work . > with no problems?  > F > Years ago, using the same terminal with the same machine, I seem to H > recall that it DID work fine, so I am thinking that my FALCO setup is  > not entirely correct.  > F > It is a rather long cable, and in contrast to the situation several I > years ago, there are more "live" cables nearby.  Could it be a problem d > with line noise?  C Sounds more like a flow control problem to me.  Things like MONITOR A display the same text in the same place over and over.  If one ofhG the cursor positioning commands gets garbled due to dropped characters,eA it will position to the wrong place, and you'll see just what yourD are describing.  Does CTRL/W or CTRL/R repaint the screen correctly?E (These should do an "ERASE SCREEN" and then repaint it.  I think they.D do slightly different things, but in a quick test with MON SYS, they both seemed to work the same.)  E Make sure both the terminal and port are set to the same flow-controlsB method (usually XON/XOFF for any historically DEC equipment, but IB think some of the newer stuff might support RTS/CTS, etc.)  If theA Falco has any delay or silo settings, you might try fiddling with A those.  If nothing else works, lowering the baud rate might help.C  " Or the Falco might just be flakey.   -- m John Santosk Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:25:16 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)P Subject: Re: using a FALCO 5000 as a console terminal on an ALPHAstation 255/233$ Message-ID: <bjhleb$vpc$2@online.de>  A In article <1030908033717.3498B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santoss <JOHN@egh.com> writes: )  E > Sounds more like a flow control problem to me.  Things like MONITORiC > display the same text in the same place over and over.  If one ofSI > the cursor positioning commands gets garbled due to dropped characters,fC > it will position to the wrong place, and you'll see just what you F > are describing.  Does CTRL/W or CTRL/R repaint the screen correctly?  G It does refresh it, but the error is still there.  Also, just pressing i< RETURN several times will occasionally show something funny.  G > (These should do an "ERASE SCREEN" and then repaint it.  I think theycF > do slightly different things, but in a quick test with MON SYS, they  > both seemed to work the same.) > G > Make sure both the terminal and port are set to the same flow-control.D > method (usually XON/XOFF for any historically DEC equipment, but I> > think some of the newer stuff might support RTS/CTS, etc.)     I'll check into this..   > If theC > Falco has any delay or silo settings, you might try fiddling with C > those.  If nothing else works, lowering the baud rate might help.o   It's only at 9600.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:13:07 GMTw+ From: Jacek Ruzyczka <uv_centcom@yahoo.com> P Subject: Re: using a FALCO 5000 as a console terminal on an ALPHAstation 255/2335 Message-ID: <7vZ6b.207149$2k4.2348879@news.chello.at>j   Hello,  H >> Make sure both the terminal and port are set to the same flow-controlE >> method (usually XON/XOFF for any historically DEC equipment, but I = >> think some of the newer stuff might support RTS/CTS, etc.)S >  > I'll check into this., > M XON/XOFF is in fact an important issue when using terminals: About two weeks dH ago I connected a VT420 to my Linux machine (no, I'm not collecting old F VAXen ;-)). I remember I had to set flow control in the VT's setup to J "XON/XOFF @ 64", otherwise the whole thing wouldn't work. Additionally, I ( use HW handshaking (RTS/CTS) via RS232C.  M I'm not quite sure how the setup on a FALCON looks like, but I had a similar SK problem until I switched to "VT400 mode; 7-bit controls". Do not use 8-bit S/ controls unless your host really supports them.P  	 >> If thelD >> Falco has any delay or silo settings, you might try fiddling withD >> those.  If nothing else works, lowering the baud rate might help. >  > It's only at 9600. > L In that case, you should not encounter too many bit errors. If the cable is K longer than 3 meters, you should use a shielded cable. And don't forget to fH use a null-modem cable with the HW handshaking lines (RTSCTS, DTRDSR)  also crossed over.  
 Good luck! -- t Jacek Ruzyczka   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:39:09 +0100( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> Subject: VMS website updated.l9 Message-ID: <bjhpp8$j7705$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>d  L Folks, perhaps a bit cheeky, and certainly self-advertising, but I have done! a bit of an update to my website.lG I know it works how I want it to in Mozilla, both on VMS (checked thererI first!) and on a PC. It also works in the latest billyware, but I haven'teH got older editions of netscape or IE, or Opera, or lynx, etc to check it with.C  K It should display acceptably with JavaScript disabled, as the CSS files areo. not loaded unless you allow the script to run.  K If anyone who has any of those other browsers can bother to look at my site-' with them, I would appreciate feedback.-   http://www.jomatech.com/   -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com2 +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/           ---p& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/20039   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2003 07:04:22 -0500C- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. 3 Message-ID: <AvGScjdmzNvO@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  d In article <bjhpp8$j7705$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:  I > I know it works how I want it to in Mozilla, both on VMS (checked there?K > first!) and on a PC. It also works in the latest billyware, but I haven't J > got older editions of netscape or IE, or Opera, or lynx, etc to check it > with.   C It displays on Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.01a (68000) running on A MacOS 8.1 and on Netscape Communicator 4.01a on the same machine.r  M > If anyone who has any of those other browsers can bother to look at my siteY) > with them, I would appreciate feedback.( >  > http://www.jomatech.com/  @ Certainly I run with JavaScript disabled, and your lead sentence> on the page comes across as quite offensive.  I didn't see anyC "links pointing up and down the page", but I don't see how all thata/ content could fit on a page in a readable font.c  D Some of your readers will not accept mouseover changes in appearance? as being desirable.  If they are potential clients, there is not need to alienate them.  E Of course I have the politically _opposite_ statement at the _bottom_ H of http://www.ljk.com/ alienating the _other_ half of potential readers.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:47:00 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ! Subject: RE: VMS website updated. 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEOCHOAA.tom@kednos.com>t   >-----Original Message----- . >From: John Travell [mailto:john@jomatech.com]) >Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:39 AMi >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: VMS website updated. >a >}C >Folks, perhaps a bit cheeky, and certainly self-advertising, but Ir
 >have done" >a bit of an update to my website.H >I know it works how I want it to in Mozilla, both on VMS (checked thereJ >first!) and on a PC. It also works in the latest billyware, but I haven'tI >got older editions of netscape or IE, or Opera, or lynx, etc to check it1 >with. >0L >It should display acceptably with JavaScript disabled, as the CSS files are/ >not loaded unless you allow the script to run.r >dL >If anyone who has any of those other browsers can bother to look at my site( >with them, I would appreciate feedback. >s >http://www.jomatech.com/   ) Doesn't display correctly with Opera 7.11/   >a >--i
 >John Travella# >Independent VMS crashdump analyst.e  >john- at - jomatech - dot - com >+44-(0)23-92552229m >http://www.jomatech.com/e >  >  >D >e >a >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.e; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).cB >Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 >e >d >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.d; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).9A >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003c >k ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:48:49 GMTn& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32508 Message-ID: <lf1plvook09clr0m1f0i3c8ih0utel1ere@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:26:34 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:     >iM >If IA64 systems will be so specific that each one must truly be individually-K >certified, then the architercture cannot be called "industry standard" andn" >Carly must stop usuing that term.  F Hogwash.  First of all, each major vendor does certify their so-calledD "industry standard" systems.  But, imho, when people call IA32-basedF systems "industry standard", they do not mean that all are certified &K supported equally.  Face it, the term "industry standard" is an overloaded,iH anbiguous, marketroid term used to get people to buy one's products.  ItG means lots of things to lots of people - though I've always doubted then) "standardness" of the systems in general.t  G For most IT managers I've dealt with, that term is used for Intel-basedeI systems... period.  Nothing at all specific to full platforms/systems.  I I think it's due to the fact that the vendors releasing the systems are not I in control of the chips, and thus all on equal footing in some/many ways. K In that sense, the IA64-based systems can be viewed as industry standard as H well.... that is, unless HP becomes the only vendor interested in it and selling platforms based on it.  I One other thing that muddies the waters is that in the Wintel market manyeD el-cheap-o systems (and build-it-yourself ones) are not supported byK anyone.  They only run Windows or Linux because the motherboards, chipsets,rD and peripherals were developed to run the OS.  But support is mostlyH non-existent (I've tried to get support from DFI, MSI, and Soyo.... it'sK not fun).  There is only the most basic certification done, if any, on manyeH of these configurations (note, I'm not talking about complete PC systemsK from Dell, IBM, HP, which I'd gather do have some amount of certification).e  D The venerable "white box" would be the only real "industry standard"J system, but that includes so many possible combinations of peripherals forJ video, disk, chipsets, CD, CD/DVD RW, memory, floppy, bios settings, etc.,B that it is impossible to actually certify all those possibilities.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:57:57 GMTS& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32508 Message-ID: <h82plv0p3bnp9ha9htq6ro93m9o0akhusm@4ax.com>  I On 5 Sep 2003 17:17:19 GMT, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:g  9 >In article <rm5hlvkdp7a9b9c33nv3ngb9qt49vpphua@4ax.com>,n* >	jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:   >> uM >> Exactly how much more would an Itanium chip destined for VMS use cost thanhN >> one that doesn't?  Or are you just saying that HP will not charge the lower1 >> price for systems with that chip as Dell will?y >0J >Chips don't run OSes.  Systems do.  And, it has been very recently statedL >that VMS will only be supported on certified systems.  Those do not include >DELL.  J Most companies don't buy "chips" to run apps, but anything they have todayG that's based on the IA32 chip is considered "industry standard" by mostcJ people.  And even Windows is only "supported" (and this varies greatly) onJ certified systems by the vendors who sell them.  So I fail to see how this is any different than for VMS.  C > Certified VMS systems will cost more.  I didn't say that, variousc8 >people from HP said right here in the last few weeks.    K And, by-and-large, certified Wintel servers cost more also.  Again, I don't I see the distinction that singles OpenVMS systems out in this regard.  The K relatively lower cost of those systems is more due to the volume that Intel G has with the existing chips that allows them to really lower the price.a   >The question wasuJ >asked here back at the time the port to IA64 was beginning if it could beI >expected that VMS would run on any industry standard system.  The answer L >was "engineering is doing nothing to make VMS rely on special HP hardware."K >I think most people took this to mean that VMS would be capable of runningaJ >on any "industry standard" (whatever that means) Itanium system you couldJ >buy.  It was recently stated that VMS would be suported only on certifiedG >systems and that certification was a time-consuming and costly action.iI >Thus, it must be expected that rather than competing VMS will once againi >become an expensive outsider.  J I understand this sentiment, but the "systems" may be orderable separatelyG from the OS.  And if the "systems" (i.e., hardware) pricing is the same K regardless of the OS, then I fail to understand your point.  Now, it may beoK that only the higher-priced configurations will be certified, I have no wayb of knowing that.  I But, realize, that most of the lower-cost IA32-based "servers" today onlylI go through the most basic of certifications.  And, as can be witnessed byaK anyone running them, they are not all that reliable.... so, in the words ofs9 the venerable Dr. Phil, "How's that working out for you?"m   >> aH >> If you're just concerned for what 'premium' price will be charged forL >> OpenVMS licenses on the same hardware, well it's just fud until we get to% >> see the real world implementation.a >iI >No, I have no doubt that VMS licenses will continue to be expensive.  MyaL >concern was for the fact that on top of this VMS users will be saddled withJ >continuing exorbitantly priced hardware as well.  Many bean-counters willC >see this as yet another attempt to gouge and may not be willing toiC >approve purchases for the more costly hardware thus making VMS the>H >bastard step-child yet again.  And, we're right back where we were with >the Alpha.   K I can understand that concern, but it's impossible to address it this earlyeK in the game.... However, I do recommend voicing these concerns to those whoI, can (and are) actually working in that area.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:54:13 GMT"& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>; Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250ns8 Message-ID: <0j9plv44jnqre3r4oj8cvvvh865niiu7qf@4ax.com>  J On 5 Sep 2003 12:16:23 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:n  b >In article <rm5hlvkdp7a9b9c33nv3ngb9qt49vpphua@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:H >> On 3 Sep 2003 15:14:26 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> o; >>>In article <olvblvogj342fjkr59ibh291eqk9pcst4q@4ax.com>,i, >>>	jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes: >>>>>uN >>>>>So what you are saying is the same thing that many of the nay-sayers hereM >>>>>have been saying since Alpha was killed.  VMS is not going to run on any>O >>>>>"Industry Standard" (tm) hardware.  It is only going to run (with support)cP >>>>>on a very small subset of selected and very expensive HP hardware. (becauseN >>>>>of qualification costs and lack of volume sales)  So, tell us once again 9 >>>>>exactly what the advantage of Itanium over Alpha is?n >>>>>e >>>> rL >>>> You don't think, just by virtue of the fact that the Itanium is used byM >>>> many more vendors, that the volume of the chip will be much greater thang- >>>> Alpha and thereby reduce costs per unit?  >>>> m >>> G >>>I fear you missed the point.  I am sure that DELL who will sell lotseF >>>(relatively) of Itanium systems will be able to get the prices downG >>>to something close to acceptable.  But people here are concerned for>F >>>the most part with boxes that will run VMS.  If that is going to beF >>>a very small subset of available Itanium systems and available fromF >>>only one vendor, the cost will never come down and VMS is once moreE >>>relegated to special, rare, expensive hardware. How long can it be.D >>>expected that IT shops will be willing to continue to pay a stiffJ >>>penalty for the priviledge of running VMS?  Especially as less and less! >>>of them even know what VMS is.w >> gM >> Exactly how much more would an Itanium chip destined for VMS use cost than N >> one that doesn't?  Or are you just saying that HP will not charge the lower1 >> price for systems with that chip as Dell will?4 >> 1N >> It would seem that the cost per chip of IA64-based systems would be able toN >> be somewhat lower just due to the fact that it's used in many more systems.N >> Exactly how are you defining your trademarked industry standard?  Would youL >> say that a Proliant IA32 box today is "'Industry Standard' hardware"?  IfN >> not, then what is your definition for that term?  If yes, then how will the* >> IA64 servers be different in your mind? >> tH >> If you're just concerned for what 'premium' price will be charged forL >> OpenVMS licenses on the same hardware, well it's just fud until we get to% >> see the real world implementation.a >> n    0 Couldn't have said it better myself... heh, heh.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.498 ************************# Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:10:50 GMTa& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: RdB on EVA ?o8 Message-ID: <553plvo3ujc:9B. w + [AX7{U
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