1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 09 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 500       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + RE: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal ' Backup foreground/background operations + Re: Backup foreground/background operations 	 Re: BCC08 : Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?: RE: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?% Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads   Re: Cleaning up license database. Re: copy bootable CD to disk and boot from it? FTP - Get size of a file Re: FTP - Get size of a file Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived ' Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1 ' Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1 ' Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1 ' Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1  Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security9 Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1 9 Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1 9 Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1  Re: PWS 500 question# Re: Tapesys and system disk rebuild  Re: The vmsnet hierarchy Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated.+ Re: What is T4 and what can it do  for you? 3 Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS Alpha - License Problem 3 Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS Alpha - License Problem   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:16:21 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:p > In article <yD27b.192617$_V.71839@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > : >>"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ >>news:8JhbuJLiz5ut@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >>K >>>In article <Fs17b.192049$_V.95728@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,  >>' >>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >> >>>>I >>>>A respected individual named Walter Hewlett happens to think the same  >>>  >>way as >>- >>>>the ML&Co analyst...or had you forgotten?  >>>> >>> @ >>>And Walter lost, therefore this guy like Walter is a "loser." >>>Is that your point? >> >> >>That isn't worthy of a reply.  >> >  > C > 	No.  Not easily defended so time to bail.  I mean after all,  if E > 	you are arguing ad verecundiam - and have chosen a source such as  C > 	Walter Hewlett - you have to devote quite a bit of resources to  6 > 	defending/reforming such a source.  Easier to bail. > 	 > 				Rob  >   B The problem Rob is that Walter Hewlett at this point in time looksA like he had a very much better grasp of the problem facing HP and * a very much better strategy to address it.  B Remember the board claimed that Walter was wrong, the merger wouldE increase profitability in PC's, Enterprise and Services and that this D would allow an increase in R&D in Printing and Imaging (which WalterA thought HP should focus on rather than increasing the size of the  PC/Enterprise businesses).  G Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and Services A and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to = pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger.   A Walter may have lost but there is absolutely no doubt that he was ; right HP's published results only serve to illustrate this.   = No how many times have you complained about people making the 6 wrong decisions about OS choices because they were ill@ informed suits. In each case OpenVMS was the loser but you still6 support OpenVMS with OpenVMS losing more than it wins.  ? Walter is in the same situation, people made the wrong decision  because they were ill informed.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 05:54:16 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309090454.1c6dd6cf@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > ? > No how many times have you complained about people making the 8 > wrong decisions about OS choices because they were illB > informed suits. In each case OpenVMS was the loser but you still8 > support OpenVMS with OpenVMS losing more than it wins.  ? that's because we all know and you know too that OpenVMS is the @ best OS for the last 25 years and the next 25 ... unix/linux and< windoze are all trying to be VMS ... every time we see a new> feature (clustering or multiple instances) that come up in the? news, we laugh out load and say "Gee, we have had that for over > 10 or 20 years" ... VMS makes the rest of the OS industry look like what it is ... sad!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:00:52 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch1 Message-ID: <o2l7b.4303$S06.324@news.cpqcorp.net>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:cZ97b.424526$4UE.132292@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >  > Melling was wrong, period.  0 Something we can agree on without qualification.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:01:40 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <83l7b.4304$rS5.2432@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:FImXt6KIm$Wj@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > In article <3F5CB1FC.1010105@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr."  <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > 2 > >>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > >>news:FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >> > >>L > >>Anal-yst Yessir Imat-hief of the brokerage firm Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe > >> > >>F > > You must listen to Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers on PBS :-) > D > Around here (Boston, where it originates) I thought it was only on > radio, NPR rather than PBS.    WBUR   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:11:34 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <qcl7b.4308$m%5.3370@news.cpqcorp.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ; wrote in message news:bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...    > I > Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and Services C > and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to ? > pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger.  >   K VMS pays Fred's wages.  Yes, I know pretty much our revenue and profit from  VMS.  J The truth (as a Sun employee you should know) is that the market is prettyL tough out there right now.  Breaking up HP would work well for you (that is,H the parts you compete with might lose money or break even like Sun - andJ maybe weaken them - as it is weakening Sun), but it may not be a good longH term solution for the company as a whole.  When the market turns around,K they will each feed each other - since there *is* a lot of synergy.  In the K short term, it does something that you can't claim - it keeps us profitable G when other parts of the company are struggling in a slow global market.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:39:12 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bjkomh$iha$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >  > I >>Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and Services C >>and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to ? >>pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger.  >> >  > M > VMS pays Fred's wages.  Yes, I know pretty much our revenue and profit from  > VMS. >    Do you.   9 The Enterprise division as a whole doesn't make a profit, 4 it never has managed consistent profitability in the last decade in fact.  4 The current situation is made worse by the fact that7 its not making a profit despite R&D budgets being moved ' from each division into a central fund.   9 So who funds that pot, well it certainly isn't Enterprise 6 systems or PC's so its left to Printing and Imaging to  provide the bulk of the funding.  7 VMS relys on Alpha and is migrating to Itanium it isn't > if you include OpenVMS's share of developing and manufacturing: those platforms in your cost base I very much doubt if you are remotely profitable.    L > The truth (as a Sun employee you should know) is that the market is prettyN > tough out there right now.  Breaking up HP would work well for you (that is,J > the parts you compete with might lose money or break even like Sun - andL > maybe weaken them - as it is weakening Sun), but it may not be a good longJ > term solution for the company as a whole.  When the market turns around,M > they will each feed each other - since there *is* a lot of synergy.  In the M > short term, it does something that you can't claim - it keeps us profitable I > when other parts of the company are struggling in a slow global market.  >   = Ohh the market, now how many times have I suggested that much : of Sun's problem is the market downturn and how many times4 have you responded with a yadda yadda type response.  : Funny now its your excuse and despite all the market share2 you have lost its ending will be your salvation !!  ? HP Enterprise Division is a merge of Tru64/OpenVMS/HP-UX/Tandem > all with the possible exception of OpenVMS pretty consistently; underperforming units. You are going to have to do a lot of % synergysing to climb out of that pit.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:13:34 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEAIHPAA.tom@kednos.com>   G Anybody have a URL (or other ref) to the actual numbers? Revenue/Profit F breakdown by product line?  Are support revenues similarly attributed?      >-----Original Message----- ( >From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy/ >[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com] * >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:39 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 >Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch  >  >  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: ' >> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"  ( ><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>> >> wrote in message news:bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >>   >>  J >>>Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and ServicesD >>>and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to@ >>>pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger. >>>  >>   >>  C >> VMS pays Fred's wages.  Yes, I know pretty much our revenue and   >profit from >> VMS.  >>   >  >Do you. > : >The Enterprise division as a whole doesn't make a profit,5 >it never has managed consistent profitability in the  >last decade in fact.  > 5 >The current situation is made worse by the fact that 8 >its not making a profit despite R&D budgets being moved( >from each division into a central fund. > : >So who funds that pot, well it certainly isn't Enterprise7 >systems or PC's so its left to Printing and Imaging to ! >provide the bulk of the funding.  > 8 >VMS relys on Alpha and is migrating to Itanium it isn't? >if you include OpenVMS's share of developing and manufacturing ; >those platforms in your cost base I very much doubt if you  >are remotely profitable.  >  > D >> The truth (as a Sun employee you should know) is that the market 
 >is prettyB >> tough out there right now.  Breaking up HP would work well for  >you (that is,K >> the parts you compete with might lose money or break even like Sun - and D >> maybe weaken them - as it is weakening Sun), but it may not be a 
 >good longK >> term solution for the company as a whole.  When the market turns around, > >> they will each feed each other - since there *is* a lot of  >synergy.  In the D >> short term, it does something that you can't claim - it keeps us  >profitable J >> when other parts of the company are struggling in a slow global market. >>   > > >Ohh the market, now how many times have I suggested that much; >of Sun's problem is the market downturn and how many times 5 >have you responded with a yadda yadda type response.  > ; >Funny now its your excuse and despite all the market share 3 >you have lost its ending will be your salvation !!  > @ >HP Enterprise Division is a merge of Tru64/OpenVMS/HP-UX/Tandem? >all with the possible exception of OpenVMS pretty consistently < >underperforming units. You are going to have to do a lot of& >synergysing to climb out of that pit. >  >regards >Andrew Harrison >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 10:21:24 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch3 Message-ID: <bd8OOjUspZ4Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bjkomh$iha$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:   > ? > Ohh the market, now how many times have I suggested that much < > of Sun's problem is the market downturn and how many times6 > have you responded with a yadda yadda type response. >   ? 	It isn't a market downturn problem.  It is a shifting problem. : 	Many are shifting to IA32 running Linux or Windows.  ManyB 	numbers bear that out.  In a server market that shrunk 1% , thereB 	are interesting stats that came out in June.  Not good for a few,= 	terrible for one of the top 4 OEMs.  HP is one of the few it = 	wasn't/isn't good for.  Things are terrible for Sun.  IBM is  	shining as is Dell.  - http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-1013420.html   O Sun, meanwhile, benefited. The Menlo Park, Calif.-based company saw its revenue E share of the market decline by 10 percent, rather than 16 percent, as I previously believed. Sun accounted for 15.1 percent of the overall server  revenue in 2002.     [snip]  M Sun and Dell Computer came in at third and fourth, respectively, in the first L quarter, but with an important difference. Sun's market share, as defined byK revenue, declined 20 percent, to $1.4 billion, while Dell's market position L grew 23 percent, to $938 million. The market overall declined by 1 percent.    ---   - 	Ready for a few go rounds on stats , Andrew?  	 < > Funny now its your excuse and despite all the market share4 > you have lost its ending will be your salvation !!  @ 	Sun is losing at a much faster rate with little hope of turning? 	it around.  HP's hope is to move to cheaper (engineering costs < 	factored in, CPU costs factored in, etc.) higher performing 	servers in IA64.    > A > HP Enterprise Division is a merge of Tru64/OpenVMS/HP-UX/Tandem @ > all with the possible exception of OpenVMS pretty consistently= > underperforming units. You are going to have to do a lot of ' > synergysing to climb out of that pit.  >   B 	But Sun has no new tricks left and one of the few innovators left 	decided to pack it in:   1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32732.html    Bill Joy leaves Sun  By Ashlee Vance in Chicago Posted: 09/09/2003 at 14:23 GMT      I Bill Joy, Sun Microsystems chief scientist and co-founder, is leaving the O company, moving on to "different challenges". No he's not saying yet what those  different challenges are.    ---   1 	Where is Sun's synergy?  The Web is the Network?   E 	The exodus is quite telling.  Johnny Shoemaker, Ed Zander, Bill Joy. A 	Seems Sun is continuing its transition and looks like it IS the  ? 	Digital Equipment Corp. of the 2000s.  Missing the changes in  H 	technologies and refusing to adapt to those changes.  Too bad you guys  	don't sell a Windows box.   					Rob   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:58:38 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <OMm7b.4325$l86.2771@news.cpqcorp.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ; wrote in message news:bjkomh$iha$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:' > > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" ' <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ? > > wrote in message news:bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > >  > > K > >>Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and Services E > >>and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to A > >>pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger.  > >> > >  > > J > > VMS pays Fred's wages.  Yes, I know pretty much our revenue and profit from > > VMS. > >  > 	 > Do you.  >   L Yes.  I do.  And you are, as always a clueless marketdroid spreading FUD for your wages.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:06:58 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <CUm7b.4326$6c6.4221@news.cpqcorp.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:bd8OOjUspZ4Z@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > 3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32732.html  >  > Bill Joy leaves Sun  > By Ashlee Vance in Chicago! > Posted: 09/09/2003 at 14:23 GMT  > K > Bill Joy, Sun Microsystems chief scientist and co-founder, is leaving the K > company, moving on to "different challenges". No he's not saying yet what  those  > different challenges are.  >   5 Ooops.  There is the sound of the wheels comming off.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:08:18 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchH Message-ID: <6On7b.41463$mk1.39582@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:qcl7b.4308$m%5.3370@news.cpqcorp.net... > % > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" ' <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >  > > K > > Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and Services E > > and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to A > > pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger.  > >  > H > VMS pays Fred's wages.  Yes, I know pretty much our revenue and profit from > VMS. > L > The truth (as a Sun employee you should know) is that the market is prettyJ > tough out there right now.  Breaking up HP would work well for you (that is, J > the parts you compete with might lose money or break even like Sun - andL > maybe weaken them - as it is weakening Sun), but it may not be a good longJ > term solution for the company as a whole.  When the market turns around,I > they will each feed each other - since there *is* a lot of synergy.  In  the B > short term, it does something that you can't claim - it keeps us
 profitableI > when other parts of the company are struggling in a slow global market.     K Conversely, having VMS and its associated software (and interconnects) as a F standalone company, or as part of an entity that really cared about itG enough to advertise and market it might be far more beneficial than the F current $0.00 annual VMS advertising budget. At least the organizationI wouldn't feel constrained about offering it as a solution. You could even & partner with Dell on the desktop side.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 10:06:43 GMT / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal* Message-ID: <bjk8nj$ahl$2@news1.radix.net>  ) In comp.os.vms healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:   K > This will not work with the Apple X11 kit.  Their 'xterm' is compilied so . > that it doesn't support the '-xrm' flag. :^(  N not having a Mac, I took it for granted that standard options are available...   --  4 Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@his.com> http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 07:44:39 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <wqjxtIXfQ$v0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <bjj5pn1lke@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  > N > I've noticed an unusually high number of Mac Users on comp.os.vms, just likeI > on the Mac OS X mailing list I'm on, there seem to be an unusually high  > number of VMS users.  9    Mutual interests in avoiding both Borg and castration.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:13:05 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal5 Message-ID: <090920031312111327%paul.anderson@hp.com>   H In article <bjj5pn1lke@enews4.newsguy.com>, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  N > I've noticed an unusually high number of Mac Users on comp.os.vms, just likeI > on the Mac OS X mailing list I'm on, there seem to be an unusually high  > number of VMS users.  3 We share an appreciation of fine operating systems.   H In article <bjj6ub4lke@enews4.newsguy.com>, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  = > If you don't mind paying for a terminal emulator, check out G > "dataComet-Secure VX" from http://www.databeast.com/.  I've tried the D > demo and it's really nice.  It's the only affordable solution thatE > I've found to fully support things such as double-high, double-wide D > characters and offer a fully functional keypad.  One of these days" > I'm going to have to get a copy.  B I use dataComet-Secure at work and from home to connect to OpenVMS1 systems.  Its VT emulation is the best I've seen.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:23:59 +0200( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>0 Subject: Backup foreground/background operations: Message-ID: <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONAEJCCBAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  M I do make a backup to a tape from a lot of nodes under OpenVMS 7.3-1 AXP. The P backup is an image backup with the compare and record options. Is it possible toI setup the backup command, so that the backup and compare function will be M processed within the foreground and the record within the background. If yes, N the next backup could start during the record phase of the predecessor backup.> In case of this I need much less time for the complete backup.  # TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:48:17 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> 4 Subject: Re: Backup foreground/background operations6 Message-ID: <3f5d85c1$0$58716$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>  % See HELP BACKUP_command /RELEASE_TAPE    HTH,  	 Bart Zorn    Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, > O > I do make a backup to a tape from a lot of nodes under OpenVMS 7.3-1 AXP. The R > backup is an image backup with the compare and record options. Is it possible toK > setup the backup command, so that the backup and compare function will be O > processed within the foreground and the record within the background. If yes, P > the next backup could start during the record phase of the predecessor backup.@ > In case of this I need much less time for the complete backup. > % > TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:54:28 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: BCC082 Message-ID: <UIm7b.4324$l86.1544@news.cpqcorp.net>  K I grabbed the page but without the graphics (and I can't find them, the two C guys mentioned on the page are gone amd www.digital.co.uk is gone). H I also found a couple of internal copies of the same stuff but again the* images point to the uk site which is gone.  I If you think it's worth while I will put up what I have (plus a couple of  other pages I found).   D I also found this place.. http://www.thecablefinder.com/ which looks interesting...    A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message 0 news:20030908184724.16756.qmail@gacracker.org...D > On Mon, 08 Sep 2003, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote:' > >I think what you are referring to is 2 > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/padapters.html >  > No, this was quite different.  > L > >if there is another let me know (I couldn't get the waybackmachine url to > >work either). If there K > >is some historic things that need saving I try to put them in the wizard ! > >area.. (look at the left nav). 7 > >the padapters page has been there for 4 or 5 years..  > L > Here's a copy I retrieved out of my Browser cache - the Wayback URLs would- > need trimmed to make the # references work.  > , > http://vmsbox.cjb.net/VMS/Cable-guide.html >  >  > Doc. > --  D > OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.3 > [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com  http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 06:23:44 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>C Subject: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly? @ Message-ID: <8838f3b77a924eb688f06c086e473ffc@news.teranews.com>  / In article <vlptiig6huo013@news.supernews.com>, 6  wspencer@ap.org.nospam.please (Warren Spencer) wrote:  J > We're looking to alter one of our OpenVMS applications such that it can J > have full access to a DB2 database located on another machine.  By full B > access, I mean the usual insert/update/delete/select functions,   G Those are part of the SQL language as implemented by the query engine,  G and don't necessarily imply anything about the interface that delivers  G the queries from the client to the server; the interface could be ODBC   or something proprietary.   - > and full distributed transaction support.     A Ah, that could make things interesting.  If you really mean, for  H example, that you need to be able to grab some data from the remote DB2 H server, modify something local, and consider the whole shebang a single C transaction, then what you are really looking for is a transaction  ? router of some sort.  Finding a database client is a secondary  G consideration, though there may be some database products that include   transaction routing.  E > I'll also need a C pre-compiler (for C programs with embedded SQL).   E Any particular reason you need "embedded" SQL?  I.e., why not just a  ! client API that can send queries?   F IBM strikes me as the least likely to know about database clients for H OpenVMS.  Have you talked to Attunity, EasySoft, CONNX, or any other of G the usual suspects?  Simple client access is probably not that hard to  E find.  I'm less sure about distributed transactions; you may need to  H combine a database product with a transaction router or find a database  product that includes one.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:32:02 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly? 0 Message-ID: <bjk6mi$cdq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Warren Spencer wrote:  > Hi,  > J > We're looking to alter one of our OpenVMS applications such that it can J > have full access to a DB2 database located on another machine.  By full L > access, I mean the usual insert/update/delete/select functions, and full  K > distributed transaction support.  I'll also need a C pre-compiler (for C   > programs with embedded SQL). > G > IBM (pre-sales tech support) told me on the phone today they have no  K > client-side tools for OpenVMS.  Would anyone out there know if there are  / > are 3rd party tools that could do this job?    >  > Many thanks! >   E Can't you use JDBC its going to give you more problems if your client @ side programs have to be written in C but you shouldn't have any& OpenVMS platform issues with JDBC DB2.  F MERANT support a JDBC driver for DB2/UNIX etc and DB2/zSeries in their! Connect JDBC product. As do NEON.    You could also try iWay   6 http://www.iwaysoftware.com/products/dataAdapters.html   Regards  Andrew Harrison    > ws >  > Warren Spencer) > Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  > The Associated Press >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:31:59 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> C Subject: RE: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7BBB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Warren,   : As Craig mentioned, I would look into ISV's like Attunity.  
 Reference:, http://www.attunity.com/products/openvms.asp3 http://www.attunity.com/Products/AdapterCatalog.Asp    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom + (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)    -----Original Message-----> From: Warren Spencer [mailto:wspencer@ap.org.nospam.please]=20 Sent: September 8, 2003 5:36 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    Hi,   J We're looking to alter one of our OpenVMS applications such that it can=20J have full access to a DB2 database located on another machine.  By full=20H access, I mean the usual insert/update/delete/select functions, and full  H distributed transaction support.  I'll also need a C pre-compiler (for C   programs with embedded SQL).  G IBM (pre-sales tech support) told me on the phone today they have no=20 H client-side tools for OpenVMS.  Would anyone out there know if there are  / are 3rd party tools that could do this job? =20    Many thanks!   ws   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 07:18:16 GMT / From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> . Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-BylzPjSIdbNu@localhost>   E On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:00:35 UTC, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua   Lehrer) wrote:  s > Vince <vince@the[NOSPAM]berrymans.com> wrote in message news:<IoB6b.10527$lY2.9532@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>... I > > I am new to VMS and am currently trying to learn some of the ways in  G > > which programming is unique on VMS.  One question I am looking for  I > > clarification on is the difference between using ASTs and threads on  # > > systems with more than one CPU.  > > J > > If I read it right, a program designed around ASTs cannot make use of M > > more than one CPU at a time since only one AST can execute at a time and  ? > > the main program can't execute while an AST is in progress.  > > J > > With threads, however, it appears I can have as many sections of code   > > executing as there are CPUs. > >   > > Is my understanding correct? ... F > You can't lock a mutex in an AST.  If a thread already has the mutexG > locked, you will deadlock, as the AST will wait indefinitely, for theu< > thread to wake up, which it can not, and unlock the mutex.     Logical.  	 > Even ifHE > you don't lock the mutex, you still can't access the guarded globaleH > data because another thread may be in the midst of modifying it and it4 > may currently be holding interrim or invalid data.  E This is a statement in which the word "can't" always used to confuse   me.r  F It led me to believe that there is some magic in a mutex that prevents@ a thread from accessing a data location. In reality, of course, F threads still can but probably shouldn't because, as you say, the dataF may be invalid. However, the reading thread will still take the value D if it executes a statement that causes the location to be accessed. E Mutexes provide a means for co-operating threads to manage/serialise g access to data.o  F A simple example with 3 threads : a producer (P), a consumer (C) and a display monitor (M).  C P and C use mutexes to serialise access to the data. M simply runs BF every second and displays current values of the data. M does not need F a mutex and its actions have no detrimental effects on P and C because' it makes no attempt to modify the data.    -- e Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 07:31:42 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads3 Message-ID: <R$dk5lJ6RTtD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <H3VcbA67ACL6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:7 > M > Generally yes you _can_, since which thread has the lock need only be known7# > by the thread which has the lock.   H    It also needs to be known by the lock manager.  If a second $ENQ callB    tothe same lock by the same process is done, what does the lock    manager do?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:19:56 GMTy6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: Cleaning up license databasea3 Message-ID: <0Zn7b.12004$ef4.142165@news.chello.at>a  i In article <2YW4b.34906$Nc.7307665@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "Mark Buda" <buda_NO@SPAM.yahoo.com> writes:h/ >I will add this to a WISH LIST for the future.-  P Super. And while you are there, please add LICENSE UNLOAD * (or /ALL) as well...   -- m Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:58:29 GMT43 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)m7 Subject: Re: copy bootable CD to disk and boot from it?e1 Message-ID: <V7k7b.4298$KW5.458@news.cpqcorp.net>e  E In article <bjgbng$vq5$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de o2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  K >I'm trying to figure out the best way to upgrade VAX systems with no CD...t ..H >                                       ...  Can I do an image backup of; >the distribution CD to a disk then boot from this disk ...   J Yes.  However, booting the CD, or a disk image copy of it) is not the way I to upgrade OpenVMS VAX.  Please read the upgrade and Installation manual.b     -- eJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 09:21:44 -0700i From: thomas.geel@ubs.com (Tom)m! Subject: FTP - Get size of a filei< Message-ID: <7419a88.0309090821.68943d2c@posting.google.com>   Hi VMS Pro's  D Introduction: I have to write a (Windows-) service to get files of aF FTP server running on OpenVMS. I have no clue about VMS at all. In theB past, we had problems with transfering files from this server to a@ Windows share; just part of a file was transfered. We do like toF implement a check, so the filesize located on the FTP and the filesizeB on the share is compared. If it does not match, transfer again (or resume).  ? To my problem now: Is there a command like 'SIZE <file>' on the E standart VMS FTP server? Is it a permission problem? The test-accounthC i got does not have such a command. Our VMS admin is out of office.n
 Any hints?  B btw. i searched for doks, but without luck. And i do not have much time honestly....e   Thanks for your help!n   RegardsO   Tomw   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 11:55:28 -0500t+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o% Subject: Re: FTP - Get size of a filea3 Message-ID: <U$oYjANHSwZM@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  ^ In article <7419a88.0309090821.68943d2c@posting.google.com>, thomas.geel@ubs.com (Tom) writes: > Hi VMS Pro's > F > Introduction: I have to write a (Windows-) service to get files of aH > FTP server running on OpenVMS. I have no clue about VMS at all. In theD > past, we had problems with transfering files from this server to aB > Windows share; just part of a file was transfered. We do like toH > implement a check, so the filesize located on the FTP and the filesizeD > on the share is compared. If it does not match, transfer again (or
 > resume). > A > To my problem now: Is there a command like 'SIZE <file>' on the G > standart VMS FTP server? Is it a permission problem? The test-accountOE > i got does not have such a command. Our VMS admin is out of office.  > Any hints? > D > btw. i searched for doks, but without luck. And i do not have much > time honestly....t >   5 	Find out what stack it is using.  There are a numberr1 	for VMS.  TCPIP Services comes bundled - you mayh) 	be using that.  Depending on vendor, you!4 	can then search publically available documentation.  3 	For instance, typically there is info that pops upn7 	when an FTP session is begun (unless of course that is 
 	turned off):L   $ ftp node1D2 node2.site.com MultiNet FTP user process V4.4(119). Connection opened (Assuming 8-bit connections)R <node1.site.com MultiNet FTP Server Process V4.4(16) at Tue 9-Sep-2003 12:52PM-EDT  , 	node1 is running Multinet , ftp version 4.4   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:37:52 -0400 ) From: Jack Fortune <jcfortune3@fedex.com>r Subject: Image tools for VMS8 Message-ID: <hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com>   Greetings all!  E I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used tos3 scan, store, and display images of paper documents.   6 Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS?  A What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?   : Are there software products designed to build this kind of application?  % Any information would be appreciated..     Jack Fortune Fedex Trade Networks Atlanta, Georgia   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:29:45 GMTi9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>h  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS2 Message-ID: <ttl7b.4313$NZ5.3440@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 "Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message2 news:hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com... >m > Greetings all! >oG > I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used to-5 > scan, store, and display images of paper documents.a >s8 > Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS? >   J Due to low demand, I believe that the tools that used to exist have mostlyH disappeared back when scanners plugged into SCSI ports.  Todays scannersK mostly are USB-only (a few parallel port ones still are around).  We do notl have a USB scanner driver.  G If there is a demand for them, we can always look into it.  It might becL cheaper to simply scan the documents on a PC, or get a scanner that can send the images via email directly.  C > What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?u >h  J XV is the generic tool of choice for most X11 users.  It's shareware (freeE version, or you can pay for a better version with support I believe).o  < > Are there software products designed to build this kind of > application? >h  K All the common image libraries (libpng, gdlib, libxpm, zlib, jpeg, etc) arer5 available for people developing imaging applications.p  ' > Any information would be appreciated.o >n  6 Other people in the field may have specific solutions.  K Since I recognize the company ;-) as fairly large, if you have a HP accountiH manager, they can work with you.  Or I can point you at someone like Sue8 Skonetski who can hook you up with knowledgeable people.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 18:12:17 +0100eK From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)t  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS! Message-ID: <z4eKuOpqxDPJ@sinead>e   Hello,  G You can find some interesting image processing tools and viewers at theo DECwindows archive:i   http://decwarch.free.fr/  % The main ones are XV and Imagemagick.t   Patrickf  9 In article <hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com>, I+ Jack Fortune <jcfortune3@fedex.com> writes: G > I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used tok5 > scan, store, and display images of paper documents.l > 8 > Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS? > C > What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?e > < > Are there software products designed to build this kind of > application? --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:31:22 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS0 Message-ID: <00A25A5F.21CD0C0F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <ttl7b.4313$NZ5.3440@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: >g7 >"Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message 3 >news:hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com...p >> >> Greetings all!w >>H >> I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used to6 >> scan, store, and display images of paper documents. >>9 >> Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS?P >> >rK >Due to low demand, I believe that the tools that used to exist have mostly I >disappeared back when scanners plugged into SCSI ports.  Todays scannersiL >mostly are USB-only (a few parallel port ones still are around).  We do not >have a USB scanner driver.-  H 'Tis a shame too...  My HP SCSI scanner does a real nice job and quicklyB too.  I've seen new USB scanners in operation and they are slow.    I If Jack can fine a SCSI scanner, he should contact me via a private emailb for the scanner software.f      H >If there is a demand for them, we can always look into it.  It might beM >cheaper to simply scan the documents on a PC, or get a scanner that can sendd >the images via email directly.[   PeeCee?  That's not a solution.n   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMb             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:18:38 +0100sO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o. Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived0 Message-ID: <bjkgev$fn3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:d > Bill Todd wrote: > D >>>But had it made some serious marketing launch for those systems ? >>  >>Were you asleep 14 months ago? >  > O > I recall much hype from carly & Company about how great IA64 was going to be, L > but I don't recall any product specific marketing by HP. The first branded1 > products I am aware of is the integrity series.i >   ? HP have been marketing HP-PA based systems as being IA-64 readyw4 as with the now defunct HP N4000 introduced in 1999.  : The SuperDome was introduced as being IA-64 ready but with PA processors.    K > I realise that HP did have a few token systems available for purchase (byeO > developpers mostly) but I don't recall any branding or specific marketing fors > those systems. >   = HP dis specifically market the rx series 2 and 4 way systems.l  T http://www.prdomain.com/companies/h/hp/newsreleases/200207july/pr_hp_nr_20020708.htm  B The Integrity stuff started appearing at the launch of Madison and! the SuperDome support for Itanium    Regards  Andrew Harrisone > N >>Over 2 years ago, people had to use "Windows XP Professional 64-bit Beta 2".I >>IIRC, a bit under 2 years ago "Windows Advanced Server Limited Edition" M >>appeared (and subsequently got updated to its '1.2' version).  For close toiI >>a year now, TPC-C submissions have used "Windows Server 2003 EnterpriselM >>Edition" (a.k.a. "Windows .NET Enterprise Server 2003") and "Windows ServertK >>2003 Datacenter Edition" (which I think may be the equivalent version for> >>larger processor counts).a >  >  > O > Are all these versions of windows for IA64 full 64 bits, or are some like VMSe@ > was initially on Alpha; a 32 bit OS running on a 64 bit chip ?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 08:24:54 -0700n. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon). Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived< Message-ID: <7500353b.0309090724.f24970e@posting.google.com>  = > IDC generally collate the numbers that are reported to themp > by the vendors.t  @ Now, lets assume 3178 is true. What kind of systems are these ?   B HP sells Itanium workstations, namely zx2000 (1 CPU) and zx6000 (2 cpu's),sF direct sales priccing starting from lowest configs of 3666$ and 4896$,
 respectively.e  B In addition to workstations, it sells superdome (2-64 cpu), rx5670
 (1-4 cpu) and - rx2600 (1-2) cpu. Mininum prices not stated. d  D What do you think is the distribution of the sales of 3178 systems ?C By looking the SGI high-end figures (29), superdome would be around C the same figures. Selling +3000 superdomes would surely create newsr from HP so it cant be that.   D As for vms, Intel has stated Itanium wont compete on low end, so oneC needs to define what his means. Afaik low end on Intel is 1-4 CPU'sh? and on AMD 1-8 CPu's (note their introduction of 8 node Opteron<  today). So this basically leavesD superdome (5 or 9 upwards, depending on who defines the low end) and sincetA the only box in this range is superdome, it looks like 29 new vmss systems perr  quarter is actually top sales :)  = ...unless of course its linux, hp-ux 11i or windoze those aref
 running...   MM   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 07:18:17 GMTb/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>,0 Subject: Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-15 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xsedndhnOTS6@localhost>4  D On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:57:35 UTC, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote:  3 > I wanted to draw your attention to the following:/ > > > Last week two linker ECOs came out : VMS731_LINKER-V0200 and > VMS73_LINKER-V0400.fH > These kits increase the size of a code image section from 32MB to 1GB. > Using the new linker,,B > large images (images with code sections that exceed 32MB) may be" > installed resident. This featureC > is particularly useful for Oracle users. By installing ORACLE.EXEv/ > resident, significant performance enhancementt > is gained (upto 30%).  > ' > Let me know if you have any questionsr  5 Uh I hope that means 'increase the size _limit_' :-) w   -- c Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:13:46 +0300w" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1& Message-ID: <3F5DB5EA.7B1442D7@hp.com>  H Changing the minimum size of a file to 1GB is a good marketing trick for> selling storage..:-)... however I was referring to size limit.   Guyr Dave Weatherall wrote:  F > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:57:35 UTC, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote: > 5 > > I wanted to draw your attention to the following:X > >e@ > > Last week two linker ECOs came out : VMS731_LINKER-V0200 and > > VMS73_LINKER-V0400.tJ > > These kits increase the size of a code image section from 32MB to 1GB. > > Using the new linker,nD > > large images (images with code sections that exceed 32MB) may be$ > > installed resident. This featureE > > is particularly useful for Oracle users. By installing ORACLE.EXEi1 > > resident, significant performance enhancementJ > > is gained (upto 30%).s > >i) > > Let me know if you have any questions, >v6 > Uh I hope that means 'increase the size _limit_' :-) >a > -- > Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:10:08 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-12 Message-ID: <U1m7b.1027$G1.5987@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   > This featureC > is particularly useful for Oracle users. By installing ORACLE.EXEi/ > resident, significant performance enhancement  > is gained (upto 30%)..   Not sure I understand.' I already have ORACLE.EXE installed ???   " DISK$DISQUE31:<ORACLE9203.BIN>.EXE#    ORACLE;1         Open Hdr Sharedm   What am I missing? Thanks   -- a Syltremi   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- 9 "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com> a crit dans le message der news:3F5C8ACF.C5956D1@hp.com... 3 > I wanted to draw your attention to the following:n >a> > Last week two linker ECOs came out : VMS731_LINKER-V0200 and > VMS73_LINKER-V0400. H > These kits increase the size of a code image section from 32MB to 1GB. > Using the new linker,eB > large images (images with code sections that exceed 32MB) may be" > installed resident. This featureC > is particularly useful for Oracle users. By installing ORACLE.EXEI/ > resident, significant performance enhancement  > is gained (upto 30%).u > ' > Let me know if you have any questions  >l > Guy Pelegd > OpenVMS Engineering  >r >g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:23:03 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>0 Subject: Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1, Message-ID: <bjkr8s$185e@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  b "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:U1m7b.1027$G1.5987@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...) > I already have ORACLE.EXE installed ???    Yes, but not resident.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:35:09 +0100CO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>f Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securitye0 Message-ID: <bjkacu$dlo$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:a > In article <binflf$abs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > G >   Still flailing on reports that are three to five years old now, and@F >   involving products multiple releases back?   (We are clearly doingH >   nicely with the contents and the frequency of CERT reports involving1 >   OpenVMS, then.  Thanks for the confirmation!)  > G > :>That was me and I don't work for Sun Marketing, do you really think @ > :>that marketing people read CERTS and OpenVMS patch reports ? > F >   Yes, I do.  The best FUD has flavoring overtones of the technical,F >   with vaguely official citations for the unwary or the uninitiated. > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------M >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >   ? Bobs excercise is a trawl through all the CERT advisories whichr< covers the period when as you yourself have admitted OpenVMS8 reporting wasn't good. So what are you complaining about< it quite clear that any such trawl would produce stats which% are highly dubious which is my point.    Howevert   Lets wind forward to 2002h  . http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-15.html  2 TCPIP for OpenVMS is listed as not being vunerable to this expoit.i  _ http://wwss1pro.compaq.com/support/reference_library/viewdocument.asp?source=SRB0017W.xml&dt=11   4 Says different and there is a patch available to fix the problem.  1 Or http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-23.htmlt   No responsea  _ http://wwss1pro.compaq.com/support/reference_library/viewdocument.asp?source=SRB0036W.xml&dt=110  5 Was vunerable and there is a patch to fix the problemn  ; I could go on but clearly your earlier point about improvedu( reporting could do with being revisited.   Regards  Andrew Harrison-   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 05:38:51 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Security = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309090438.58d9f1f9@posting.google.com>$   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjkacu$dlo$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...i > A > Bobs excercise is a trawl through all the CERT advisories whicha> > covers the period when as you yourself have admitted OpenVMS: > reporting wasn't good. So what are you complaining about> > it quite clear that any such trawl would produce stats which' > are highly dubious which is my point.0 > 	 > However  >  > Lets wind forward to 2002p > 0 > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-15.html > 4 > TCPIP for OpenVMS is listed as not being vunerable > to this expoit.j > a > http://wwss1pro.compaq.com/support/reference_library/viewdocument.asp?source=SRB0017W.xml&dt=11  > 6 > Says different and there is a patch available to fix > the problem. > 3 > Or http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-23.htmlt > 
 > No responseu > a > http://wwss1pro.compaq.com/support/reference_library/viewdocument.asp?source=SRB0036W.xml&dt=11  > 7 > Was vunerable and there is a patch to fix the problem3 > = > I could go on but clearly your earlier point about improved?* > reporting could do with being revisited. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrisong  > why don't you go on ... because you won't find very many more,= certainly not another 6 or 7 hundred to catch up to slowaris, @ and why not check out the TCPware and multinet sites at process,= which have had even less of an issue if you are going to looko at IP stacks ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:57:37 +0100s* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>B Subject: Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1' Message-ID: <bjjthn$3ja$1@lore.csc.com>    "Doc.Cypher" wrote:r >    > B > >question two ... is the version on your server Doc the same one: > >that HP has out for 7.2-7.3 or is this a different one? > L > I'm not aware of HP bringing out a version of PGP.  I suspect they're more > likely to do GPG.O  ; GnuPG is available for download from HP after registration.a   -- -? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 05:42:10 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)B Subject: Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309090442.4451d01d@posting.google.com>c  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bjjthn$3ja$1@lore.csc.com>...  > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:a > >  >  o > > D > > >question two ... is the version on your server Doc the same one< > > >that HP has out for 7.2-7.3 or is this a different one? > > N > > I'm not aware of HP bringing out a version of PGP.  I suspect they're more > > likely to do GPG.w > = > GnuPG is available for download from HP after registration.t  > except I have called software support (we have a contract) and> no one has found out yet if this will only work on 7.2 and 7.3  or if it will compile on 7.1 ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:42:02 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>B Subject: Re: pgp 2.6.3ia multi05 finally running on OpenVMS V7.3-1' Message-ID: <bjkl7u$btj$1@lore.csc.com>U   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > [ > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bjjthn$3ja$1@lore.csc.com>...o > > >    > >s? > > GnuPG is available for download from HP after registration.t > @ > except I have called software support (we have a contract) and@ > no one has found out yet if this will only work on 7.2 and 7.3" > or if it will compile on 7.1 ...   The answer is to try it.  D Its support status I guess is similar to the rest of the open sourceF tools, reasonable endeavours when time permits. (Unless anyone reading this knows different).  E I've not tried it, you get EXE, OLB and source for VAX and Alpha (two @ downloads). My work with it is only receiving a background level	 priority..  H I presume from your posting that you've had it working with both 7.2 andF 7.3, is that just Alpha, or did you try the VAX version as well?  Have# you a C compiler on a 7.1 platform?a  C I've not checked if there is a difference between the VAX and Alphar	 download.o    What do you want to achieve Bob?  H I have got 2048 bit support using IDEA and the expired patent RSA at VMS" 6.2 on both VAX and Alpha working.  D The version of code mentioned at the top of this thread, the objectsE link on 7.2 but I had some problems with keys that I've not gotten toh the bottom of. -- 7? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences. nclews at csc dot comp   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 06:14:41 -0700 $ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Re: PWS 500 questionr= Message-ID: <d0141774.0309090514.4430f10c@posting.google.com>s  L healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<bjj8c25lke@enews4.newsguy.com>...' > issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> wrote:aJ > > I've also got a 433au which doesn't boot and was definitely being usedH > > as a VMS workstation prior to breaking (I think it must be somethingG > > on the motherboard that is faulty). Presumably in this case I could  > M > Try moving your SCSI card to a different slot.  The slot I had mine pluggedlJ > into slowly went bad.  Which unfortunatly probably means I need to start$ > shopping for a replacement system. >   D I tried this and it made no difference. I got the service guide from? the website and checked the status LEDs. Mine are as follows...0  "              OFF   OFF   OFF   OFF"              OFF    ON   OFF   OFF  C Which don't correspond to anything in the guide. It also beeps onceg< after a few seconds. No sign of any hard drives spinning up.  ( Any ideas? What are the likely culprits?> Is there any way of plugging a VT into the system in case it's' something to do with the graphics card?M  J > > salvage the graphics card, memory, etc from the 433 into the 500. *Or*E > > could I pull the motherboard from the 500 and put it into the 433eF > > chassis? Which would make more sense? What is the best permutation	 > > here?t > K > Yes, you can move the parts from the dead system to the new one.  I would I > recommend moving the parts from the dead one to the new one rather thanbJ > trying to move the Motherboard from the new one to replace the dead one. >  > 		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:52:10 +0100,* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>, Subject: Re: Tapesys and system disk rebuild' Message-ID: <bjkb9g$8d7$1@lore.csc.com>s   ann h wrote: >  > system: alpha 2100 OVMS 6.2n > tapesys: V5.2.7i > thuway > F > i had to rebuild the system disk a couple of months ago.  since thenE > TAPESYS jsut has refused to backup a remote system.  the new system D > disk is on the remote system. the tapesys system runs backups just@ > fine.  but it just will not do the remote backups via thruway.  ! This raises an interesting point.   D It depends what you mean by "rebuild". Recovery from backup does not count as a rebuild.   C If you have had to reinstall software, and you are also using third E party or layered products, it is possible to make yourself a problem.o  D Hypothetical scenario: Potentially you could have started with (say)A Alpha VMS 1.5, installed Thruway, and Tapesys. You now could havedH upgraded via 6.1 to 6.2, and optionally upgrading some layered and thirdF party products. Because VMS is quite good at running earlier installed= software with later operating systems, you could end up in anC( unsupported configuration, but it works.  H Your disk rebuild now, if what you have done is install OpenVMS 6.2, and@ put the layered and third party products on, may be missing someF 'operation', a build, or link or setting, or something, which can't be  done at the version you are now.  G A quite conceivable position is having a unique combination of patches, E and the chronological application of some patches, but not others mayiE make all the difference. (I'm not advocating selective patching, just  trying to make a point).  D I've never personally seen this, but I'd be interested in hearing ifF others have seen this. It would only go to reinforce the need for good and reliable backups.a  F Support and later versions exist for all the products you mention, theH "money saved" by removing them from support years ago may now have to be& spent re-instating the stable service.  @ This isn't an "I told you so" post, I am trying to be helpful in1 suggesting where you can look to solve the issue.o   -- o? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot comH   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:31:16 +0200< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>! Subject: Re: The vmsnet hierarchy68 Message-ID: <bjjsii$jqipl$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Peter Weaver wrote:M> > NEWS.CIS.DFN.DE automatically filters binary files so I only= > see the discussions about the binary postings in VMSNET not   > the binaries themselves. [...]  > Please note that for private users, it now goes by the name of4 individual.de (german) and individual.net (english).- See http://news.cis.dfn.de/namechange-en.html    cu,a   Martin -- uF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deTF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:52:17 +0100( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. 9 Message-ID: <bjk17a$k17tj$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>e  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:AvGScjdmzNvO@eisner.encompasserve.org...lJ > In article <bjhpp8$j7705$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:e > K > > I know it works how I want it to in Mozilla, both on VMS (checked thereeE > > first!) and on a PC. It also works in the latest billyware, but Ij haven't L > > got older editions of netscape or IE, or Opera, or lynx, etc to check it	 > > with.o >tE > It displays on Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.01a (68000) running on C > MacOS 8.1 and on Netscape Communicator 4.01a on the same machine.C >sJ > > If anyone who has any of those other browsers can bother to look at my site+ > > with them, I would appreciate feedback._ > >e > > http://www.jomatech.com/ > B > Certainly I run with JavaScript disabled, and your lead sentence. > on the page comes across as quite offensive.  D I will review the wording, but this does NOT appear if JavaScript isJ enabled, so you are one of the relatively few who has seen it. I know that; some other sites contain suspect scripts, but mine doesn't.u  9 > I didn't see any "links pointing up and down the page",U  K Maybe I misled you. Click on the icon images at the top of the page to jumpeL down the page, click on one of 5 'top' links just above <hr> tags to go backI up. Also, it depends on when you looked. I realised within a half hour of K posting the note that I had taken out those links and forgotten to put them  back. They are there now.e  H > but I don't see how all that content could fit on a page in a readable font.n  J Easy, *if* you allow the JavaScript to run. The font size does NOT change.D Think of it like a card-index, with the content spread over 5 cards.J Mouseover the icon images changes *which* card is displayed. If JavaScriptJ is disabled all of those 5 cards get laid out one after the other down the page.   F > Some of your readers will not accept mouseover changes in appearanceA > as being desirable.  If they are potential clients, there is non > need to alienate them.J Mouseover changes the text content displayed in front of you, no more. The3 appearance of the rest of the page does not change.eI What do other people think of the functionality with JavaScript enabled ?u9 Do you like it ? Do you find it unpleasant or upsetting ? L If you normally run with JavaScript enabled, please disable it (temporarily) to see the fallback view.  Which do you prefer ?o  L You are welcome to a copy of all of the files to examine them, and if havingI done so you are then willing to view them offline with JavaScript enabled ' you will see just what you are missing.oC Ok I am biassed, but I feel that you are missing a lot by disablingoL JavaScript. I see it as akin to restricting yourself to morse code telegrams in the age of the FAX... :-)    G > Of course I have the politically _opposite_ statement at the _bottom_-J > of http://www.ljk.com/ alienating the _other_ half of potential readers.   No comment :-)   -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - comR +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/         ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:06:00 +0100( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.e9 Message-ID: <bjkd8i$je4m5$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>-  3 "Michiel Erens" <erens@wanadoo.nl> wrote in messagem  news:3F5D22BF.6F4B@wanadoo.nl... > John Travell wrote:c > >:D > > If anyone who has any of those other browsers can bother to look6 > > at my site with them, I would appreciate feedback. > >w > > http://www.jomatech.com/ >a; > Image not found : http://www.jomatech.com/images/bup4.gif  > K A 1 pixel GIF to stop JavaScript under Netscape4 reporting errors, bdn4.gifoJ is missing as well. My error, I forgot to copy them over. These images are! not actually used in the display.a  # Thank you everyone who has replied.      -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com, +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       ---.& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 13:01:05 -0000H= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>t! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.t5 Message-ID: <20030909130105.7047.qmail@gacracker.org>I  = On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> wrote:f  K >Mouseover changes the text content displayed in front of you, no more. The)4 >appearance of the rest of the page does not change.J >What do other people think of the functionality with JavaScript enabled ?: >Do you like it ? Do you find it unpleasant or upsetting ?  M I've not seen that many pages using this technique, it's not pointed out thate? it works in this way and isn't exactly what I'd call intuitive.-  L Additionally, it displays in a about a quarter of a maximized browser window, for me (MSIE 6 on XP Pro) with a scroll bar.  M >If you normally run with JavaScript enabled, please disable it (temporarily)  >to see the fallback view.  ; I run with prompting for Javascript so I can go either way.o   >Which do you prefer ?  I Without Javascript if you can fix the javascript:chpag("x") that comes uphN instead of hashed references.  This will definitely prevent easy navigation in Lynx.m  N What I think most sites seeking to offer a Javascript alternative do is have aK script that redirects to a Javascript enabled page.  If that script doesn't ( run a Lynx-compatible page is displayed.     Doc. -- aK OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.nK [PGP Key via finger]     http://openvms-rocks.com     http://vmsbox.cjb.neti   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:20:39 -0500.( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)4 Subject: Re: What is T4 and what can it do  for you?1 Message-ID: <03090909203926@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>v   > Where to get T4:0 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/t4/  5 So far so good - however is this not similiar to ECP?4  H > And a quick demo of how you will be able to view the data in the near I > future - coming to a browser near you.  The following link selects all iK > of the ZIP files for the last month or so and lets you select them. Then MI > you can select Mon.SYST you get the following data and grphs using the sE > VERBOSE check box. -- as you can see, this box is not very busy....l > . > http://www.firstdbasource.com/t4/t4chart.php   Now I am getting excited...  n  E So back to my first question about ECP.  I have two products that areeN collecting similiar data with one giving me canned graphical output - and mindM you I like that thought of graphical output!  Can I interface the t4chart.phpoL with the ECP data - since ECP is what we have built our performance trending
 metrics on.  c       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nk VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:06:08 GMTd" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG< Subject: Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS Alpha - License Problem0 Message-ID: <00A25A29.509B1244@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <123bebf5.0309081056.5afe72ac@posting.google.com>, joanne.korol@hp.com (Josie) writes:tF >I'm at a customer site who is still running WPCORP V5.1+ on our ALPHA6 >system.  It's working fine on our Production Cluster. >NG >I'm field testing VMS V7.3-2 and have successfully installed it there, 0 >but I cannot seem to get the license installed. >-E >The node name of test box is 732TST.  I'm wondering if the node namer0 >started with a numberic is causing the problem? >aE >I have tried using the non-network node of .cluster and that doesn'to >seem to work either.  >m >Does anyone else still use it?l  E Contact Legacy Technologies if you are having issues with WordPerfectr or its license.     E http://www.legacy-2000.com (for the 800 telco number) or via email toe support@legacy-2000.comt     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 06:46:54 -0700-! From: joanne.korol@hp.com (Josie) < Subject: Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS Alpha - License Problem= Message-ID: <123bebf5.0309090546.646be25f@posting.google.com>Z   Stan:w  D Thanks for the info on www.legacy-2000.com, I will save that in case4 this customer needs support from them in the future.  ? I figured out the licensing problem. After flipping through the ? customer's licenses I did find a license that was unique to the C others, it was for AWPF052 (not WPC052).  Applied that license, andtB everything is worked great on the Field Test of V7.3-2 of OpenVMS.  E Although I do work for HP, I'm working on a customer problem - not anC9 HP problem as far as WordPerfect V5.1+ is concerned... :)l   Regards,   Joanne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.500 ************************