1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 501       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal 7 Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS 7 Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS 7 Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS + Re: Backup foreground/background operations 	 Re: BCC08 	 Re: BCC08 : Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?% Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads ( Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped Re: Do we need a DCL debugger? Re: FTP - Get size of a file Re: FTP - Get size of a file Re: FTP - Get size of a file Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS  Re: Image tools for VMS " Mac OS X -> Pathworks/Mac problemsF Re: Missing bytes and buffer overrun when reading with terminal driver More DSPP renewal problems' Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1 ' Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1 ' Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1 H OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster?L Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster?L Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? Re: OpenVMS Security Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PWS 500 question2 Re: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:25:42 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bjl2em$lsj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Tom Linden wrote: I > Anybody have a URL (or other ref) to the actual numbers? Revenue/Profit H > breakdown by product line?  Are support revenues similarly attributed? >     : Its in the HP SEC filing on their investor relations page.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  >  >  >>-----Original Message-----) >>From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 >>[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]+ >>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:39 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 >>Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch >> >> >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>' >>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"   >>) >><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  >>> >>>wrote in message news:bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >>>  >>>  >>> K >>>>Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and Services E >>>>and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to A >>>>pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger.  >>>> >>>  >>> C >>>VMS pays Fred's wages.  Yes, I know pretty much our revenue and   >>
 >>profit from  >> >>>VMS.  >>>  >>	 >>Do you.  >>; >>The Enterprise division as a whole doesn't make a profit, 6 >>it never has managed consistent profitability in the >>last decade in fact. >>6 >>The current situation is made worse by the fact that9 >>its not making a profit despite R&D budgets being moved  > ) >>from each division into a central fund.  > ; >>So who funds that pot, well it certainly isn't Enterprise 8 >>systems or PC's so its left to Printing and Imaging to" >>provide the bulk of the funding. >>9 >>VMS relys on Alpha and is migrating to Itanium it isn't @ >>if you include OpenVMS's share of developing and manufacturing< >>those platforms in your cost base I very much doubt if you >>are remotely profitable. >> >> >>D >>>The truth (as a Sun employee you should know) is that the market  >> >>is pretty  >>B >>>tough out there right now.  Breaking up HP would work well for  >> >>you (that is,  >>K >>>the parts you compete with might lose money or break even like Sun - and D >>>maybe weaken them - as it is weakening Sun), but it may not be a  >> >>good long  >>K >>>term solution for the company as a whole.  When the market turns around, > >>>they will each feed each other - since there *is* a lot of  >> >>synergy.  In the >>D >>>short term, it does something that you can't claim - it keeps us  >> >>profitable >>J >>>when other parts of the company are struggling in a slow global market. >>>  >>? >>Ohh the market, now how many times have I suggested that much < >>of Sun's problem is the market downturn and how many times6 >>have you responded with a yadda yadda type response. >>< >>Funny now its your excuse and despite all the market share4 >>you have lost its ending will be your salvation !! >>A >>HP Enterprise Division is a merge of Tru64/OpenVMS/HP-UX/Tandem @ >>all with the possible exception of OpenVMS pretty consistently= >>underperforming units. You are going to have to do a lot of ' >>synergysing to climb out of that pit.  >>	 >>regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >> >>--- ( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 >> >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:49:41 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch0 Message-ID: <bjl3rl$mc0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <bjkomh$iha$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  > ? >>Ohh the market, now how many times have I suggested that much < >>of Sun's problem is the market downturn and how many times6 >>have you responded with a yadda yadda type response. >> >  > A > 	It isn't a market downturn problem.  It is a shifting problem. < > 	Many are shifting to IA32 running Linux or Windows.  ManyD > 	numbers bear that out.  In a server market that shrunk 1% , thereD > 	are interesting stats that came out in June.  Not good for a few,? > 	terrible for one of the top 4 OEMs.  HP is one of the few it ? > 	wasn't/isn't good for.  Things are terrible for Sun.  IBM is  > 	shining as is Dell. >   8 Hold on you seem to be running away with yourself again.  9 So what if the IA32 market grew, its still rather smaller : than the 64 bit RISC UNIX market and more importantly only: one of the top 3 vendors in the IA32 market make money out of it.  4 Dell make a profit because as a distributor they can; make profits at product margins that make their competitors  wince.  : HP don't despite removing PC R&D costs from the PC divison9 budget (yes folks the PC numbers were even worse than you 9 thoght) and IBM don't but then IBM arn't really in the PC 9 market for market domination, they are in it for coverage 6 and because it leverages GS revenues. Why do you think6 IBM is so interested in Linux (answers on a post card)3 and it isn't because it increases xSeries revenues.   8 Put another way IA32 market growth is a really bad thing8 for HP because it is simply increasing the relative size7 of the product revenue pie for HP which HP demonstrably  cannot make a profit from.  7 Converting HP-UX etc revenues to Linux/Windows revenues 4 is a sure fire way of increasing the calls for HP to8 be broken up because it will place HP's total dependence5 on printing and imaging margins even more squarely in  the spotlight.    / > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-1013420.html  > Q > Sun, meanwhile, benefited. The Menlo Park, Calif.-based company saw its revenue G > share of the market decline by 10 percent, rather than 16 percent, as K > previously believed. Sun accounted for 15.1 percent of the overall server  > revenue in 2002.   >     > Sun's share of the total server market declined, but its share> of the UNIX market (where we do make money) increased and HP'sA share declined. So if Freds assertion that things will get better < in terms of capital expenditure are correct then Sun is much; better placed than HP to ride that upturn in a market where  we can make money.  = Q2 was also a bit of an odd quarter, Sun's bookings were well = up but because of a suppliers component problem (NIC Chipset) 9 we didn't supply any V210/V240 servers our highest volume 9 product and therefore didn't revenue any. However I don't 8 know of any customers who have cancelled their orders so6 all of the outstanding orders will result in revenues.  8 There is absolutely no sign that Dell is going to let up8 on HP and up their margins allowing HP to do the same so6 in the circumstances every sale of a IA32 box by HP is7 a phyric victory for HP because they arn't able to make  money on a unit basis.  8 What do you want an increasing share of a segment of the7 market that you can't make money in or increasing share 8 of a market that you might be able to. Thats the problem1 facing HP and at the moment they have no answers.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 09 Sep 2003 15:37:55 -0400# From: Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch1 Message-ID: <86wuchwy5o.fsf@elrond.bloomberg.com>   Q Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:   ? > Q2 was also a bit of an odd quarter, Sun's bookings were well ? > up but because of a suppliers component problem (NIC Chipset) ; > we didn't supply any V210/V240 servers our highest volume ; > product and therefore didn't revenue any. However I don't : > know of any customers who have cancelled their orders so8 > all of the outstanding orders will result in revenues.  = No, but we're starting to seriously consider cancelling them.    Chris 8 -owner of sad unloved and unusable v240 with GBE NIC bug --   Chris Morgan>    "Post posting of policy changes by the boss will result in .     real rule revisions that are irreversible"   		- anonymous correspondent    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 12:49:26 -0700 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0309091149.757f4d26@posting.google.com>   C Are you two at it again?  Have you ever had the chance to meet each B other. You both have so much in common.  Neither of you are whimpsD thats for sure.  Andrew we have many competitors that their servicesC department sells or uses VMS. I am not sure if that is your case or F not but you obviously know some about VMS. I hope that your purpose is. to make VMS better not to try and embarass us.   Sue      Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjkomh$iha$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:O > > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ? > > wrote in message news:bjk5p6$c3i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > >  > > K > >>Well guess what profitability isn't up in PC'S, Enterprise and Services E > >>and HP is more dependant on Printing and Imaging profitability to A > >>pay people like Freds wages than they were before the merger.  > >> > >  > > O > > VMS pays Fred's wages.  Yes, I know pretty much our revenue and profit from  > > VMS. > >  > 	 > Do you.  > ; > The Enterprise division as a whole doesn't make a profit, 6 > it never has managed consistent profitability in the > last decade in fact. > 6 > The current situation is made worse by the fact that9 > its not making a profit despite R&D budgets being moved ) > from each division into a central fund.  > ; > So who funds that pot, well it certainly isn't Enterprise 8 > systems or PC's so its left to Printing and Imaging to" > provide the bulk of the funding. > 9 > VMS relys on Alpha and is migrating to Itanium it isn't @ > if you include OpenVMS's share of developing and manufacturing< > those platforms in your cost base I very much doubt if you > are remotely profitable. >  > N > > The truth (as a Sun employee you should know) is that the market is prettyP > > tough out there right now.  Breaking up HP would work well for you (that is,L > > the parts you compete with might lose money or break even like Sun - andN > > maybe weaken them - as it is weakening Sun), but it may not be a good longL > > term solution for the company as a whole.  When the market turns around,O > > they will each feed each other - since there *is* a lot of synergy.  In the O > > short term, it does something that you can't claim - it keeps us profitable K > > when other parts of the company are struggling in a slow global market.  > >  > ? > Ohh the market, now how many times have I suggested that much < > of Sun's problem is the market downturn and how many times6 > have you responded with a yadda yadda type response. > < > Funny now its your excuse and despite all the market share4 > you have lost its ending will be your salvation !! > A > HP Enterprise Division is a merge of Tru64/OpenVMS/HP-UX/Tandem @ > all with the possible exception of OpenVMS pretty consistently= > underperforming units. You are going to have to do a lot of ' > synergysing to climb out of that pit.  > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 16:05:30 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch3 Message-ID: <GiOzjbzXuX$L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <857e9e41.0309091149.757f4d26@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes: E > Are you two at it again?  Have you ever had the chance to meet each D > other. You both have so much in common.  Neither of you are whimpsF > thats for sure.  Andrew we have many competitors that their servicesE > department sells or uses VMS. I am not sure if that is your case or H > not but you obviously know some about VMS. I hope that your purpose is0 > to make VMS better not to try and embarass us. >  > Sue   < 	Andrew has been around here since about mid-1997.  His main9 	purpose is to spread FUD and market Sun.  A while ago he - 	actually had marketing attached to his name:   [ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=30ED6574.43F3%40uk.sun.com&oe=ISO-8859-1&output=gplain   G From: Andrew Harrison - Sun UK - Product marketing <andrewh@uk.sun.com>  Subject: Re: Windows 95  Date: 1996/01/05  D 	Summer of 1996 he and his buddy Adrian Cockcroft ran wild defending@ 	and talking up their stuff.  By then Andrew's product marketingB 	moniker strangely disappeared.  One wonders if they had an edict?@ 	Wouldn't be much of a stretch.  Random groups.google.com search7 	for cockcroft large unix server bears out the traffic.   D 	Prior to a year or so ago Andrew would also post to comp.arch.  He I 	mostly avoids that newsgroup now and has found a nice friendly community > 	in comp.os.vms where you can verify this is his home by doing& 	an advanced search May 2000 to today:  9 	andrew harrison    into groups.google.com and you see it * 	has this (in addition to search results):   Related groups     comp.os.vms    % 	It really is about stirring the pot.    				Rob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:42:39 -0700* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <r8Kcncf-79Pt-MOiU-KYvg@mpowercom.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:GiOzjbzXuX$L@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > Andrew has been around here since about mid-1997.  His main : > purpose is to spread FUD and market Sun.  A while ago he. > actually had marketing attached to his name: > K For all his FUD I appreciate seeing Andrew's point of view.  Course I don't C plan on ever buying a Sun or working on one, but you never know.  I J seriously doubt he posts with the intention of converting the hardcore VMS& types on this list to Sun's worldview.  L In any case some of the doubts that cloud the future of VMS loom over Sun asK well.  Dirt cheap X86 and X86-64 SMP white boxes running Linux have to be a G nightmare for Sun management.  I don't see Sun becoming a commodity box L pusher like Dell.  Solaris and Sparc may well become as much a niche productK as VMS and Itanium/Alpha in a few more years.  For those who point to Sun's F base and scoff, look how fast Novell lost it's market share.  A market- leader can all but vanish within a few years.     Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:48:27 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchI Message-ID: <Lpv7b.209799$_V.188465@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in message , news:r8Kcncf-79Pt-MOiU-KYvg@mpowercom.net...: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:GiOzjbzXuX$L@eisner.encompasserve.org... ? > > Andrew has been around here since about mid-1997.  His main < > > purpose is to spread FUD and market Sun.  A while ago he0 > > actually had marketing attached to his name: > > G > For all his FUD I appreciate seeing Andrew's point of view.  Course I  don't E > plan on ever buying a Sun or working on one, but you never know.  I L > seriously doubt he posts with the intention of converting the hardcore VMS( > types on this list to Sun's worldview. > K > In any case some of the doubts that cloud the future of VMS loom over Sun  asK > well.  Dirt cheap X86 and X86-64 SMP white boxes running Linux have to be  a I > nightmare for Sun management.  I don't see Sun becoming a commodity box F > pusher like Dell.  Solaris and Sparc may well become as much a niche product G > as VMS and Itanium/Alpha in a few more years.  For those who point to  Sun's H > base and scoff, look how fast Novell lost it's market share.  A market/ > leader can all but vanish within a few years.   F Especially when one does not push its value proposition to current and potential customers.    K The current Microsoft 'Do More With Less' tv ad campaign for Windows Server  2003 is a case in point.  L It may be true that somebody can do 'more' (however amorphously defined thatE may be) Windows stuff with Windows 2003 Server, but compared to VMS a E corporation is apt to have many more bodies feeding the gaping maw of  Windows.  ( So which is really doing more with less?  J HP doesn't even try to compete on overall value. What a bunch of clowns in management.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 22:02 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch, Message-ID: <9SEP200322020301@gerg.tamu.edu>  = "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes... ; }"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message . }news:FImXt6KIm$Wj@eisner.encompasserve.org...> }> In article <3F5CB1FC.1010105@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." }<Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: }> > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  }> >3 }> >>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message G }> >>news:FL07b.191736$_V.46659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  }> >>  }> >> M }> >>Anal-yst Yessir Imat-hief of the brokerage firm Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe  }> >>  }> >> G }> > You must listen to Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers on PBS :-)  }>E }> Around here (Boston, where it originates) I thought it was only on  }> radio, NPR rather than PBS. }  }WBUR     . Which is a radio station. Thus, it is not PBS.  
 PBS is TV.  
 NPR is radio.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 03 20:26:09 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal) Message-ID: <AFAKrSIeKr2m@elias.decus.ch>   H In article <bjjido01704@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:? > In comp.os.vms Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@spamcop.net> wrote: J >> In article <bjj5kh0lke@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:Q >> > Unfortunatly the Apple xterm in their X11 implementation is missing a couple J >> > of options, so you can't remap the keyboard for just a single xterm.  > H >> But I thought the Terminal utility (which is where I had the problem), >> did not use the Apple X11 implementation. > H > Terminal.app doesn't, I was talking about a work around.  UnfortunatlyL > Terminal.app seems to be one of the more brain dead terminal emulators out > there. >   H But it's somewhat more complicated, as telnet -8 and ssh differ in their emulation of <backspace>.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 18:27:17 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal9 Message-ID: <bjl625$k7287$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   5 In article <090920031312111327%paul.anderson@hp.com>, - 	Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: J > In article <bjj5pn1lke@enews4.newsguy.com>, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote: > O >> I've noticed an unusually high number of Mac Users on comp.os.vms, just like J >> on the Mac OS X mailing list I'm on, there seem to be an unusually high >> number of VMS users.  > 5 > We share an appreciation of fine operating systems.  >   ; That's pretty funny considering what the OS X Kernel is and 7 what people here have had to say about that technology.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 03 20:50:20 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal) Message-ID: <5QRt$oeErAsH@elias.decus.ch>   d In article <bjl625$k7287$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:7 > In article <090920031312111327%paul.anderson@hp.com>, / > 	Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: K >> In article <bjj5pn1lke@enews4.newsguy.com>, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  >>  P >>> I've noticed an unusually high number of Mac Users on comp.os.vms, just likeK >>> on the Mac OS X mailing list I'm on, there seem to be an unusually high  >>> number of VMS users. >>  6 >> We share an appreciation of fine operating systems. >>   > = > That's pretty funny considering what the OS X Kernel is and 9 > what people here have had to say about that technology.  >   = Some of us have listened to what you have been telling us :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 21:15:46 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal, Message-ID: <bjlfu20171m@enews2.newsguy.com>  : In comp.os.vms Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote:J > In article <bjj5pn1lke@enews4.newsguy.com>, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  P > > I've noticed an unusually high number of Mac Users on comp.os.vms, just likeK > > on the Mac OS X mailing list I'm on, there seem to be an unusually high  > > number of VMS users.  5 > We share an appreciation of fine operating systems.    Agreed!   I Or to put it another way, both groups of people expect their computers to 4 actually *work*, and to work in a consistant manner.  	 			  Zane    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 21:18:51 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal, Message-ID: <bjlg3r1171m@enews2.newsguy.com>  ? In comp.os.vms Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> wrote: + > In comp.os.vms healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:   M > > This will not work with the Apple X11 kit.  Their 'xterm' is compilied so 0 > > that it doesn't support the '-xrm' flag. :^(  P > not having a Mac, I took it for granted that standard options are available...  H And I, having a Mac I took it for granted that the standard options wereH available.  I wasted a sizable amount of time a while back trying to get
 this to work.   L Anyone know how to submit a bug report to Apple?  This really should be sent in.    			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:56:13 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>@ Subject: Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS2 Message-ID: <bjlev7$uuf$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Mark Berryman wrote:   >  > E > Oops.  My mistake.  I neglected to mention that the zip files were  J > created with the -w switch and that you must specify the -V switch when H > unpacking.  I kept the original of all files and my edited version is H > simply a later version of the same file.  If you unzip without the -V 4 > switch you will end up using the unedited version. > C > I will amend each of the readme files to include this instuction.  >  > Mark Berryman  >   O I unzipped again with the /version switch, and that did the trick. This time I  . was able to build XPDF, with only one problem.  6 The make.com file in  XPM-3_4K.LIB contained an error:  ? $ if f$trnlnm("X11").eqs."" then define x11 decw$include,'xpath   " it should be (in my case at least)   $ define x11 decw$include,'path     O Furthermore, Martin Zinser was so kind to point out to me that there are newer  ! versions of Freetype-2 and T1Lib.   L I got both packages from the German Decus website, and tried to build them. O Freetype had a problem because it could not find an opt file, and I had to run  2 the make procedure of T1Lib twice for some reason.  G Freetype was only one minor version newer, but the T1lib is much newer.   N After hacking the VMS-MAKE file a bit to include the new T1Lib, I was able to J build XPDF again ! (And believe me, I don't know anything about make etc.)  P The first results are very promising, I was able to read all kind of pdf files,  and they looked very nice.  Q Now I just have to find out how to print etc., because that went wrong the first  
 time I tried.   O The only problem that I have with XPDF, is the fact that you can't open a file  M from within XPDF itself. There is no menu with "Open File". Maybe in a later   version ???    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:37:28 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>@ Subject: Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS' Message-ID: <3f5df3b9$1@cpns1.saic.com>    Dirk Munk wrote:J > I unzipped again with the /version switch, and that did the trick. This 7 > time I was able to build XPDF, with only one problem.  > 8 > The make.com file in  XPM-3_4K.LIB contained an error: > A > $ if f$trnlnm("X11").eqs."" then define x11 decw$include,'xpath  > $ > it should be (in my case at least) > ! > $ define x11 decw$include,'path   G It looks like I built using MMK and did not correct the MAKE.COM file.  ? The correct fix is to make one change near the top of MAKE.COM:     From this: & $ xpath = "''path'" - "SXPM]" + "lib]" To this:& $ xpath = "''path'" - "LIB]" + "SXPM]"   > K > Furthermore, Martin Zinser was so kind to point out to me that there are  ) > newer versions of Freetype-2 and T1Lib.  > H > I got both packages from the German Decus website, and tried to build J > them. Freetype had a problem because it could not find an opt file, and A > I had to run the make procedure of T1Lib twice for some reason.   H I used the versions that came with XPDF from the XPDF web site.  I will B fetch the new versions and see if it is worth repackaging the kit.  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 18:48:24 -0500 4 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)@ Subject: Re: ANN: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMS3 Message-ID: <NfXEI7u9Damc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <bjlev7$uuf$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: Q > The only problem that I have with XPDF, is the fact that you can't open a file  O > from within XPDF itself. There is no menu with "Open File". Maybe in a later  
 > version ???   C If you right click in the document area it will bring up a submenu  E that has Open in it.  At least it does with the versions I run, 0.92   and 2.02p11.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:06:10 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: Backup foreground/background operations' Message-ID: <3F5E9522.AC0B34EC@fsi.net>    Bart Zorn wrote: > ' > See HELP BACKUP_command /RELEASE_TAPE   H Problem with that is all it does is release (deallocate) the tape drive.E There's no way to trigger another process to take over the drive just 	 released.   = I wrote some DCL code once to use DFU to set the backup dates D asynchronously from the Backup. I used SEARCH to count the number ofE files (occurrences of ";") in a backup listing and wrote a script for F EDT to change all of the "[" characters to the device name followed byG "[", and trim off everything after the version number. The output was a ' file list that could be fed to DFU ala:   # DFU> SET/BACKUP=date_spec @filelist    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:38:22 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>  Subject: Re: BCC089 Message-ID: <bjl6n4$jrdn1$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:bjg81b$skt$2@online.de... J > I have a BCC08 cable.  It doesn't seem to work as a serial cable betweenF > a terminal and a VMS machine.  Am I correct that this is a "special"G > cable since pins 8 and 9 are shorted together and thus normally won't 4 > work (but will on a VAXstation 2000 or something)? > * > Is there any other use for such a cable?  H when connected to a VAXstation 2000 (instead of the video cable) it will( "change" the system into a microVAX2000.5 IIRC it is the same as the microVAX II console cable.    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:20:52 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: BCC08- Message-ID: <87brttlqej.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  B > I have a BCC08 cable.  It doesn't seem to work as a serial cableD > between a terminal and a VMS machine.  Am I correct that this is aB > "special" cable since pins 8 and 9 are shorted together and thusC > normally won't work (but will on a VAXstation 2000 or something)?    Got CONSOLE on the DB9?   E There are I think, 2 versions of the BCC008, the PRINTER one whithout E 8-9 jumpered, and the console one that does. On a Pro or a uV2000 the F console cable inits the port as a physical console, without the jumperD it acts as a printer port. On a BA23/123 and the lile for microVaxenE and 11s, it is just a console, as they have no conection to pins 8 or  9.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:48:51 -0000 4 From: wspencer@ap.org.nospam.please (Warren Spencer)C Subject: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly? / Message-ID: <vls4k3nfvidld5@news.supernews.com>r  D Andrew.Harrison@Sun.COM (Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy) wrote in& <bjk6mi$cdq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>:    Hi,k  H Many thanks to Malcom, Craig, Andrew and Kerry.  I'm wading through the  various leads now.   ws   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)y The Associated Press   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:51:05 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>eC Subject: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly? / Message-ID: <bjl3u9$fde$1@titan.btinternet.com>M  	 Hi Kerry,s  / Do they support the IBM two-phase commit thingy  LU6.2something-level-something?r   Regards Richard Mahera  0 Main, Kerry <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7BBB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net... Warren,V  : As Craig mentioned, I would look into ISV's like Attunity.  
 Reference:, http://www.attunity.com/products/openvms.asp3 http://www.attunity.com/Products/AdapterCatalog.Aspg   RegardsT  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax: 613-591-4477e Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom + (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)    -----Original Message-----; From: Warren Spencer [mailto:wspencer@ap.org.nospam.please]  Sent: September 8, 2003 5:36 PMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    Hi,r  G We're looking to alter one of our OpenVMS applications such that it canoG have full access to a DB2 database located on another machine.  By fulleH access, I mean the usual insert/update/delete/select functions, and full  H distributed transaction support.  I'll also need a C pre-compiler (for C   programs with embedded SQL).  D IBM (pre-sales tech support) told me on the phone today they have noH client-side tools for OpenVMS.  Would anyone out there know if there are  + are 3rd party tools that could do this job?M   Many thanks!   ws   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:39:59 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>VC Subject: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?lJ Message-ID: <38p7b.427744$4UE.400382@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message) news:bjl3u9$fde$1@titan.btinternet.com...  > Hi Kerry,  >s1 > Do they support the IBM two-phase commit thingya! > LU6.2something-level-something?e  7 You need an XA-compliant TP monitor to do 2PC properly.-  6 ACMS on VMS, CICS on an IBM mainframe, Tuxedo on unix.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:03:08 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>RC Subject: Re: Can an OpenVMS program access a DB2 database directly?@0 Message-ID: <bjlblr$e73$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Hi,a  9 > You need an XA-compliant TP monitor to do 2PC properly.    Bollocks!!!y  + You're more stupid than Fred ssays you are!a   Regards Richard Mahern  , John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:38p7b.427744$4UE.400382@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > @ > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message+ > news:bjl3u9$fde$1@titan.btinternet.com...S
 > > Hi Kerry,0 > >93 > > Do they support the IBM two-phase commit thingyP# > > LU6.2something-level-something?  > 9 > You need an XA-compliant TP monitor to do 2PC properly.  >s8 > ACMS on VMS, CICS on an IBM mainframe, Tuxedo on unix. >> >>   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 17:42:02 -0500>- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)'. Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads3 Message-ID: <MWhJ2NFrAOs1@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  q In article <R$dk5lJ6RTtD@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ge > In article <H3VcbA67ACL6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >> >N >> Generally yes you _can_, since which thread has the lock need only be known$ >> by the thread which has the lock. > J >    It also needs to be known by the lock manager.  If a second $ENQ callD >    tothe same lock by the same process is done, what does the lock >    manager do?  D It fails to grant an incompatible lock, just as if you tried to takeA out two incompatible locks on the same resource in a non-threadedn application.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 20:41:53 -0700 1 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)a. Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads= Message-ID: <477e0934.0309091941.2d6b9326@posting.google.com>y  l "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-BylzPjSIdbNu@localhost>...H > A simple example with 3 threads : a producer (P), a consumer (C) and a > display monitor (M). > E > P and C use mutexes to serialise access to the data. M simply runs nH > every second and displays current values of the data. M does not need H > a mutex and its actions have no detrimental effects on P and C because) > it makes no attempt to modify the data.   E I'm not sure that is correct.  Assume the global data is a pointer to 1 a data structure.  In C terms, lets call it a T*:i   static T* pobj = 0;>  7 The producer locks the mutex and initalizes the object:g   lock();s pobj = malloc(sizeof(T));> construct_a_t_here(pobj); 	 unlock();h  ; while T is being constructed, pobj holds the pointer to thewB being-initialized memory.  pobj does not point to a valid T objectA until "construct_a_t_here" returns.  In between the two lines, itaE points to raw memory.  During the call to "construct", it points to a> partially initialized object.g  B If the thread "M" attempts to use pobj, and access any part of theC object that has not been initialized yet, it has undefined results.t  A The same thing applies to any stage where more than one operation B needs to be completed in a transaction.  For example, if you set aE divisor to 0 and a valid flag to false.  If you set the divisor to 0,tF then thread "M" does the division, it will crash.  It is only once theB "P" thread does both operations, and unlocks the mutex, that it is' safe for "M" to look at the two values.g  > Even using atomic types is not safe.  If the global value is a? floating point value, then "P" has the right to fill it with an,A interim value which isn't even a valid floating point number!  Itc@ isn't until the mutex is unlocked that "P" has promised that the global floating point is valid.e  < Add C++ to the mix, and it gets even messier.  Add in a goodF optimizer, and it gets messier++.  Add in multiple processors, and you! need to add memory barriers, too.n  C The bottom line is that unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing,m< all of the threads should lock the mutex to access the data.  
 joshua lehrero factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 15:17:10 -0700w1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 1 Subject: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrivey= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309091417.3d8c0a59@posting.google.com>,  B HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systemsC based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, theiD zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)B with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system+ (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips.k  . http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:27:14 -0700* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrivee2 Message-ID: <uJidnZrw4PlM_MOiU-KYuA@mpowercom.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0309091417.3d8c0a59@posting.google.com...eD > HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systemsE > based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, thesF > zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)D > with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system- > (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips.w >iK It will be interesting to see how it performs against x86 boxes in the sameeL $3600 price range.  Single 1GHZ CPU vs dual 2GHZ opterons, same memory, sameL disk, and 64 bit?  These will be comparable systems in performance for, say,K 64-bit MS SQL Server?  What is the cost of a small dual Opteron in the sameaK form factor?  I'd exclude Xeons and Athlons since a fair benchmark would bei  a 64-bit app and 4GB+ of memory.  L For that matter how does it compare to a DS10?  Isn't that the low end Alpha it would have to replace?n    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2003 00:02:05 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.come5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive , Message-ID: <bjlplt01br5@enews3.newsguy.com>  2 Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:D > HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systemsE > based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, theaF > zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)D > with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system- > (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips.w  0 > http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/  K Unfortunatly I fail to see where the above webpage says anything about thisrK system running OpenVMS.  That is the *ONLY* OS I'm interested in running onr> an Itanium system.  Neither Windows or HP-UX are even options.   			Zanes   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:29:03 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrivef2 Message-ID: <jfu7b.4368$nT6.3383@news.cpqcorp.net>  ) Jack Peacock <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:a@ > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 > news:cf15391e.0309091417.3d8c0a59@posting.google.com...fE >> HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systemstF >> based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, theG >> zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)iE >> with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive systemi. >> (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips. >>D > It will be interesting to see how it performs against x86 boxes in  > (if you are excluding Xeons and such, and making things 64-bit) shouldn't you say AMD64 rather than x86?)e  E > the same $3600 price range.  Single 1GHZ CPU vs dual 2GHZ opterons,V' > same memory, same disk, and 64 bit?  r > ...nC > What is the cost of a small dual Opteron in the same form factor?m  _ http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20030908comp.htm?iid=ipp_srvr_proc_itanium2+pr&   4 lists $744, for the low-voltage 1 GHz part and then:  Y http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301n  A lists $794 for the 286.  So from that point they seem to start at = _roughly_ the same place and it will be a matter of the otherr( components and desired margins and such.  
 rick jones -- 0B firebug n, the idiot who tosses a lit cigarette out his car windowF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:37:17 GMTe  From: CJT <cheljuba@prodigy.net>5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrivee* Message-ID: <3F5E80A8.9010109@prodigy.net>   Keith Parris wrote:s  D > HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systemsE > based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, thesF > zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)D > with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system- > (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips.d > 0 > http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/  ' How much do the software licenses cost?w   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:54:29 GMT   From: CJT <cheljuba@prodigy.net>5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive * Message-ID: <3F5E84B0.1030907@prodigy.net>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  4 > Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > D >>HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systemsE >>based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, thewF >>zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)D >>with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system- >>(US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips.p >  > 0 >>http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/ >  > M > Unfortunatly I fail to see where the above webpage says anything about thissM > system running OpenVMS.  That is the *ONLY* OS I'm interested in running onk@ > an Itanium system.  Neither Windows or HP-UX are even options. > 	 > 			Zane    Looking at the specs:s   http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11665_na/11665_na.HTML#Configure%20to%20order%20options%20(custom%20configurations)   ; I'm curious what the "KW" ratings on the audio inputs mean.h   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 23:14 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrivee, Message-ID: <9SEP200323142195@gerg.tamu.edu>   healyzh@aracnet.com writes...o3 }Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:sE }> HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systemsoF }> based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, theG }> zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)hE }> with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system . }> (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips. } 1 }> http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/d } L }Unfortunatly I fail to see where the above webpage says anything about thisL }system running OpenVMS.  That is the *ONLY* OS I'm interested in running on? }an Itanium system.  Neither Windows or HP-UX are even options.i }  }			Zane  G Of course it doesn't mention VMS. VMS is not actually available for IPFeH systems yet - only an early test kit thingy is available (and it is onlyG specified to run on what, one specific model or is it two?), not a real I product. The real production version is another year or so away. By then,:G this brand spanking new model will be, both literally and figuratively," "last year's model".   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:18:58 -06005 From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>g' Subject: Re: Disk Problems, I'm stumped 8 Message-ID: <1Lp7b.3912$6Q3.139@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>  
 xenman wrote: 6 > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:08:57 +0200, "Rik Steenwinkel" > <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> wrote: >  > . >>On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:40:53 UTC, Randy Park ( >><rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote: >>> >>} I forgot to say that before I started moving disks over to8 >>} my Alpha, I disconnected the SCSI cables on the Vax,6 >>} blew out the dust and reconnected them, and double4 >>} checked them for tightness.  This resulted in no >>} change in behavior.i >>F >>Yes, but how about (temporarily) disconnecting the external storage H >>box altogether? There are several types of error it can introduce thatF >>may have remained below a certain threshhold before, like data line  >>noise. >  > E > I also failed to report that my new data disk was internal, whereas5? > my old data disk was external.  I just did an ANALYZE/DISK onfF > the new data disk and I'm getting "bad highwater mark" informationalF > messages.  The intersting thing is that /REPAIR doesn't repair them.  = Are you overloading the power supply? Try putting it into thef. external box, and see if the problems go away.  B > It's times like these that you say, I hope my backup tapes don't$ > get damaged and can still be read. > > > Anyway, I've found a replacement the the SCSI controller and > I'm going to go pick it up.m >  > 	Randy >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:37:50 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>' Subject: Re: Do we need a DCL debugger?p$ Message-ID: <3f5e807a$1@news.si.com>  D >The DCL engineering team is currently evaluating new features to be. >added in future version of VMS (post V7.3-2).  I Please try to keep in mind the old satying "VMS is VMS" and make sure youh( enhance OpenVMS VAX in the same fashion. -- .I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comj5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991g8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:38:41 +0200+ From: "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl>n% Subject: Re: FTP - Get size of a fileo: Message-ID: <Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-kNb3duezwdhh@news.xs4all.nl>  A On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:21:44 UTC, thomas.geel@ubs.com (Tom) wrote:   F } Introduction: I have to write a (Windows-) service to get files of aH } FTP server running on OpenVMS. I have no clue about VMS at all. In theD } past, we had problems with transfering files from this server to aB } Windows share; just part of a file was transfered. We do like toH } implement a check, so the filesize located on the FTP and the filesizeD } on the share is compared. If it does not match, transfer again (or
 } resume).  B I wouldn't do it that way. Just relying on the file size will not E catch other types of corruption, only broken transfers. Zip the file hE on the VMS side, and unzip -t it on the receiver. If that fails, the iA file is clobbered. Or choose some kind of checksum which you can a/ calculate on both ends and transfer separately.n  A } To my problem now: Is there a command like 'SIZE <file>' on the.G } standart VMS FTP server? Is it a permission problem? The test-accountjE } i got does not have such a command. Our VMS admin is out of office.i } Any hints?  F On VMS' own (TCPIP/UCX) ftp server: when you issue a ftp>dir you will 6 get back the size in VMS blocks, which are 512 bytes.    ftp> dir whisky.txt  200 PORT command successful.7 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;*   (192.168.x.y,2550)   Directory USER:[RIK]  A WHISKY.TXT;1            40/42         29-AUG-1995 17:04:55  [RIK]a   ftp> get whisky.txtt 200 PORT command successful.7 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;1 e (192.168.x.y,2552) Received 19496 bytes 226 Transfer complete.$ local: whisky.txt remote: whisky.txt3 20720 bytes received in 0.08 seconds (252 Kbytes/s)n   Now look at the received file:   [d:\tcpip\ftp]dir whisky.txt  ?  Volume in drive D is NETWORK        Serial number is 27A2:2815p&  Directory of  D:\TCPIP\FTP\whisky.txt  7  9-09-03  19:25          20.721           0  whisky.txtsD          20.721 bytes in 1 file and 0 dirs    20.992 bytes allocated   2.348.705.792 bytes free  F So neither the used size (40 blocks -> 20480 bytes) nor the allocated A size (42 blocks -> 21504 bytes) will yield the correct result to f
 compare with.e   -- 3> // Rik Steenwinkel  #  VMS mercenary  #  Enschede, Netherlands // 1024D/CDBAE5C1u   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 16:27:40 -0700 $ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho)% Subject: Re: FTP - Get size of a filea< Message-ID: <d0141774.0309091527.32332dc@posting.google.com>  B I wrote a Windows service to do exactly this for a major utility aD year or so ago, however in my case it had to work for any FTP server on any platform.B The file size comparison gotcha is that VMS returns size in blocks? rather than bytes, and the job dictated that I had no choice ofg alternative stack.F My solution was to size the file on the server, bring it over, send it? back and resize it. If the sizes are equal declare the originalj0 transferred file OK; otherwise reject for retry.C Disadvantages are obvious: double transfer (deadly if the files are:> big, although they weren't in my case) & inability to detect a? corruption which doesn't affect file size are the most obvious.4D As all the interaction with the remote server is done using standardE FTP it is difficult to implement more advanced techniques such as CRC> checks.>E Email me if you would like to discuss this offline - I realise it's a>E little off topic for this group and many of the problems you will hit  are generic.  a  m "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-kNb3duezwdhh@news.xs4all.nl>... C > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:21:44 UTC, thomas.geel@ubs.com (Tom) wrote:  > H > } Introduction: I have to write a (Windows-) service to get files of aJ > } FTP server running on OpenVMS. I have no clue about VMS at all. In theF > } past, we had problems with transfering files from this server to aD > } Windows share; just part of a file was transfered. We do like toJ > } implement a check, so the filesize located on the FTP and the filesizeF > } on the share is compared. If it does not match, transfer again (or > } resume). > D > I wouldn't do it that way. Just relying on the file size will not G > catch other types of corruption, only broken transfers. Zip the file wG > on the VMS side, and unzip -t it on the receiver. If that fails, the tC > file is clobbered. Or choose some kind of checksum which you can  1 > calculate on both ends and transfer separately.  > C > } To my problem now: Is there a command like 'SIZE <file>' on the I > } standart VMS FTP server? Is it a permission problem? The test-accountpG > } i got does not have such a command. Our VMS admin is out of office.  > } Any hints? > H > On VMS' own (TCPIP/UCX) ftp server: when you issue a ftp>dir you will 8 > get back the size in VMS blocks, which are 512 bytes.  >  > ftp> dir whisky.txtb > 200 PORT command successful.9 > 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;* a > (192.168.x.y,2550) >  > Directory USER:[RIK] > C > WHISKY.TXT;1            40/42         29-AUG-1995 17:04:55  [RIK]n >  > ftp> get whisky.txta > 200 PORT command successful.9 > 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;1 e > (192.168.x.y,2552) > Received 19496 bytes > 226 Transfer complete.& > local: whisky.txt remote: whisky.txt5 > 20720 bytes received in 0.08 seconds (252 Kbytes/s)  >   > Now look at the received file: >  > [d:\tcpip\ftp]dir whisky.txt > A >  Volume in drive D is NETWORK        Serial number is 27A2:2815e( >  Directory of  D:\TCPIP\FTP\whisky.txt > 9 >  9-09-03  19:25          20.721           0  whisky.txt|F >          20.721 bytes in 1 file and 0 dirs    20.992 bytes allocated >   2.348.705.792 bytes free > H > So neither the used size (40 blocks -> 20480 bytes) nor the allocated C > size (42 blocks -> 21504 bytes) will yield the correct result to i > compare with.l   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 16:38:25 -07002$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho)% Subject: Re: FTP - Get size of a file:= Message-ID: <d0141774.0309091538.37ff0953@posting.google.com>P  ) Sorry, forgot to say, use this address...  iainATissinoho.com substituting @ for ATm  m "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-kNb3duezwdhh@news.xs4all.nl>...sC > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:21:44 UTC, thomas.geel@ubs.com (Tom) wrote:u > H > } Introduction: I have to write a (Windows-) service to get files of aJ > } FTP server running on OpenVMS. I have no clue about VMS at all. In theF > } past, we had problems with transfering files from this server to aD > } Windows share; just part of a file was transfered. We do like toJ > } implement a check, so the filesize located on the FTP and the filesizeF > } on the share is compared. If it does not match, transfer again (or > } resume). > D > I wouldn't do it that way. Just relying on the file size will not G > catch other types of corruption, only broken transfers. Zip the file aG > on the VMS side, and unzip -t it on the receiver. If that fails, the  C > file is clobbered. Or choose some kind of checksum which you can j1 > calculate on both ends and transfer separately.t > C > } To my problem now: Is there a command like 'SIZE <file>' on theeI > } standart VMS FTP server? Is it a permission problem? The test-accountoG > } i got does not have such a command. Our VMS admin is out of office.k > } Any hints? > H > On VMS' own (TCPIP/UCX) ftp server: when you issue a ftp>dir you will 8 > get back the size in VMS blocks, which are 512 bytes.  >  > ftp> dir whisky.txtn > 200 PORT command successful.9 > 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;* e > (192.168.x.y,2550) >  > Directory USER:[RIK] > C > WHISKY.TXT;1            40/42         29-AUG-1995 17:04:55  [RIK]  >  > ftp> get whisky.txtw > 200 PORT command successful.9 > 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;1 r > (192.168.x.y,2552) > Received 19496 bytes > 226 Transfer complete.& > local: whisky.txt remote: whisky.txt5 > 20720 bytes received in 0.08 seconds (252 Kbytes/s)  >   > Now look at the received file: >  > [d:\tcpip\ftp]dir whisky.txt > A >  Volume in drive D is NETWORK        Serial number is 27A2:2815?( >  Directory of  D:\TCPIP\FTP\whisky.txt > 9 >  9-09-03  19:25          20.721           0  whisky.txt3F >          20.721 bytes in 1 file and 0 dirs    20.992 bytes allocated >   2.348.705.792 bytes free > H > So neither the used size (40 blocks -> 20480 bytes) nor the allocated C > size (42 blocks -> 21504 bytes) will yield the correct result to a > compare with.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:45:31 +0200+ From: "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl>a  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS: Message-ID: <Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-ZWddCTTvHyFf@news.xs4all.nl>  D On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:31:22 UTC,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  K } If Jack can fine a SCSI scanner, he should contact me via a private emaila } for the scanner software.d  / At least Epson, Canon and Agfa still have them.r   -- i> // Rik Steenwinkel  #  VMS mercenary  #  Enschede, Netherlands // 1024D/CDBAE5C1    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:50:11 GMTn9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>e  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS2 Message-ID: <npo7b.4335$8l6.1506@news.cpqcorp.net>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A25A5F.21CD0C0F@SendSpamHere.ORG...F > In article <ttl7b.4313$NZ5.3440@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge") <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:a > > 9 > >"Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message 5 > >news:hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com...  > >> > >> Greetings all!h > >>J > >> I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used to8 > >> scan, store, and display images of paper documents. > >>; > >> Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS?  > >> > >tF > >Due to low demand, I believe that the tools that used to exist have mostlyK > >disappeared back when scanners plugged into SCSI ports.  Todays scannersdJ > >mostly are USB-only (a few parallel port ones still are around).  We do noti > >have a USB scanner driver.T >eJ > 'Tis a shame too...  My HP SCSI scanner does a real nice job and quicklyB > too.  I've seen new USB scanners in operation and they are slow. >a  L This isn't really a USB issue (at least not a USB 2.0 issue) mostly it's theH fact that scanners now cost $99 retail.  They cost a whole lot more when they had SCSI interfaces.d   >nJ > >If there is a demand for them, we can always look into it.  It might beJ > >cheaper to simply scan the documents on a PC, or get a scanner that can send! > >the images via email directly.n >(! > PeeCee?  That's not a solution.i >u  5 Well, maybe not one _you_ like - but it is an option.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:23:00 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS0 Message-ID: <00A25A66.578940DB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <npo7b.4335$8l6.1506@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: > - ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messagee+ >news:00A25A5F.21CD0C0F@SendSpamHere.ORG...LG >> In article <ttl7b.4313$NZ5.3440@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"t* ><my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: >> >: >> >"Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message6 >> >news:hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com... >> >>n >> >> Greetings all! >> >>eK >> >> I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used tok9 >> >> scan, store, and display images of paper documents.- >> >> < >> >> Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS? >> >>e >> >G >> >Due to low demand, I believe that the tools that used to exist haver >mostlysL >> >disappeared back when scanners plugged into SCSI ports.  Todays scannersK >> >mostly are USB-only (a few parallel port ones still are around).  We dom >not >> >have a USB scanner driver. >>K >> 'Tis a shame too...  My HP SCSI scanner does a real nice job and quicklynC >> too.  I've seen new USB scanners in operation and they are slow.h >> >eM >This isn't really a USB issue (at least not a USB 2.0 issue) mostly it's thetI >fact that scanners now cost $99 retail.  They cost a whole lot more when- >they had SCSI interfaces.  D Probably not.  It's most likely an issue with trying to fit into theF plug-and-pray cheap-ass commodity computing marketspace.  You get whatD you pay for...  Some of this new stuff is so cheap that I figure youD could crush it under the weigh of its 10 page owner's manual if set  atop the device.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:31:17 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS0 Message-ID: <00A25A78.43A84D6D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  p In article <3a65a5c8.0309091217.4c05cfe1@posting.google.com>, keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) writes:< >Let it not be said that there are no graphics imaging tools >for OpenVMS...r >  >AVS. >http://www.avs.com/software/soft_t/index.html >f >DISLINp >http://www.dislin.de/$ >ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/grafik/dislin >-	 >EasyCopy-, >http://www.augrin.com/prod/ec/easycopy.html >r >Express Designerv) >http://alphase.com/aex/Announcement.html  >s >Gino / >http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/gino.htm / >http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/graf.htmg/ >http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/menu.htmw/ >http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/surf.htmb >  >Gnoms3 >http://srs.dl.ac.uk/NCD/computing/manual.gnom.htmln >a >GnuPlot >http://www.gnuplot.info/t >  >GTK+p8 >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/gtk.html >h >ImageMagick >http://www.imagemagick.org/% >ftp://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/t8 >http://freshmeat.net/projects/imagemagick/?topic_id=100; >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/IMAGEMAGICK/g >t >JPEGe< >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/jpeg_6b_crop/ >n >Mesa3De6 >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/Mesa3D/ >1 >PostScript:8 >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/PLOT_XPS/8 >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/PLOTPS54/ >t >POV-Ray >http://www.povray.org/v* >http://www.utexas.edu/cc/vms/apps/povray/! >http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~minus/b: >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/MEGAPOVRAY/< >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/POVRAY_UTILS/ >i >RSI >http://www.rsinc.com/ >s >Sceda/ >http://www.cyberus.ca/~denism/sceda/sceda.html  >a >Visual Numerics Productsn >http://www.vni.com/index.html >  >xv + >http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/xv/I >http://www.trilon.com/xv/ >ftp://ftp.trilon.com/pub/xv/d >. > 3 >There is no reason to believe that this approachesa6 >a complete list of graphics software tools available 2 >for OpenVMS. I do not recommend, endorse or vouch8 >for any of these products in regard to their quality or# >usefulness for a specific purpose.p >o >Cheers! >  >Keith Cayemberg >ICA GmbH - Hannover  M Thanks, this is a nice list!  I nominate it for inclusion in the OpenVMS FAQ.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMC            -5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" h   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 13:17:45 -0700-0 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg)  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS= Message-ID: <3a65a5c8.0309091217.4c05cfe1@posting.google.com>a  ; Let it not be said that there are no graphics imaging toolsr for OpenVMS...   AVSr- http://www.avs.com/software/soft_t/index.htmly   DISLIN http://www.dislin.de/n# ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/grafik/dislink   EasyCopy+ http://www.augrin.com/prod/ec/easycopy.html    Express Designer( http://alphase.com/aex/Announcement.html   Gino. http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/gino.htm. http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/graf.htm. http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/menu.htm. http://www.gino-graphics.com/products/surf.htm   Gnom2 http://srs.dl.ac.uk/NCD/computing/manual.gnom.html   GnuPlotl http://www.gnuplot.info/   GTK+7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/gtk.htmlt   ImageMagickm http://www.imagemagick.org/e$ ftp://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/7 http://freshmeat.net/projects/imagemagick/?topic_id=1009: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/IMAGEMAGICK/   JPEG; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/jpeg_6b_crop/    Mesa3D5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/Mesa3D/w  
 PostScript7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/PLOT_XPS/ 7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/PLOTPS54/6   POV-Ray3 http://www.povray.org/) http://www.utexas.edu/cc/vms/apps/povray/T  http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~minus/9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/MEGAPOVRAY/o; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/POVRAY_UTILS/o   RSIb http://www.rsinc.com/e   Scedan. http://www.cyberus.ca/~denism/sceda/sceda.html   Visual Numerics Products http://www.vni.com/index.html    xv* http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/xv/ http://www.trilon.com/xv/e ftp://ftp.trilon.com/pub/xv/    2 There is no reason to believe that this approaches5 a complete list of graphics software tools available e1 for OpenVMS. I do not recommend, endorse or vouchy7 for any of these products in regard to their quality ort" usefulness for a specific purpose.   Cheers!    Keith Cayembergj ICA GmbH - Hannover   i Jack Fortune <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message news:<hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com>...- > Greetings all! > G > I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used toc5 > scan, store, and display images of paper documents.e > 8 > Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS? > C > What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?t > < > Are there software products designed to build this kind of > application? > ' > Any information would be appreciated.  >  >  > Jack Fortune > Fedex Trade Networks > Atlanta, Georgia   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:50:52 GMTd# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)-  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS2 Message-ID: <M2r7b.4360$LC6.2873@news.cpqcorp.net>  S In article <00A25A78.43A84D6D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:y  N :Thanks, this is a nice list!  I nominate it for inclusion in the OpenVMS FAQ.  E   I've forwarded a copy of the posting along to the maintainer of thetH   OpenVMS FAQ, as mail is the only way that the maintainer is relatively6   certain to see this or other requests for inclusion.  H   I do not know if any of the packages here would also be candidates forH   inclusion on the next OpenVMS Freeware, since that's being packaged up   Right Now.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqPN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com>   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 20:55:43 GMTs From: healyzh@aracnet.coms  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS, Message-ID: <bjleof112b8@enews2.newsguy.com>  1 Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@conti.de> wrote:n= > Let it not be said that there are no graphics imaging toolsC > for OpenVMS...   <SNIP>  K Wow!  That's a list worth saving!  Thanks for posting it!  In fact was just_ wondering about Imagemagik.t   			Zaned   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:07:21 GMTeL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS6 Message-ID: <00A25A6C.883F7DC7@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  d In article <hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com>, Jack Fortune <jcfortune3@fedex.com> writes: >n >Greetings all!c >oF >I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used to4 >scan, store, and display images of paper documents. >j7 >Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS?4 >0   Dunno.  B >What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?  L I tend to use a VMS-based webserver.  But where do you want to display them?G Do you want to store images in a database (Rdb has good support) or as   separate files?M > ; >Are there software products designed to build this kind ofs
 >application?   L We probably need more info on what kind of application you're talking about.   -- Alanc   -- aO =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056*M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025bO ===============================================================================k   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 20:50:10 GMTw From: healyzh@aracnet.com   Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS, Message-ID: <bjlee2012b8@enews2.newsguy.com>  8 Fred Kleinsorge <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote:N > This isn't really a USB issue (at least not a USB 2.0 issue) mostly it's theJ > fact that scanners now cost $99 retail.  They cost a whole lot more when > they had SCSI interfaces.   I Last I checked (2-3 months ago when I bought a new scanner) you can stilltH get SCSI scanners.  However, the price scales something like this; USB, I USB 2.0, Firewire, SCSI.  I went with a USB 2.0 model despite my Mac onlyoL supporting USB 1.1 at the moment, at the 300x300 resolution my old UMAX SCSII scanner supported it's actually faster (I can't wait to try it at USB 2.0e speeds).  K The point being, that at least for right now, the original poster can stillaK find SCSI scanners, it just takes some looking.  The downside being that in,J the future anything except the truely high-end, will probably be USB (it's, actually easier to find SCSI than Firewire).  	 			  Zane    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:23:14 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMSJ Message-ID: <Cht7b.428172$4UE.252536@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  6 "Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message2 news:hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com... >t > Greetings all! > G > I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used toa5 > scan, store, and display images of paper documents.M >h8 > Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS? >sC > What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?e >m< > Are there software products designed to build this kind of > application? >n' > Any information would be appreciated.     L Fujitsu and Kodak make/made high-end scanners that were capable of 30+ pages= per minute. I think that Fujitsu had VMS support at one time.s  I Ask the government (IRS) or a big insurance company - they handle lots of/ paper which gets scanned./  I You may want to check with the copier makers (Canon, Minolta, and others)r for their high-end scannersi  I I am assuming that you want to scan lots of documents, not 1-2 at a time.D   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:32:56 GMTO# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMSJ Message-ID: <Iqt7b.428228$4UE.338366@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  6 "Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message2 news:hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com... >  > Greetings all! >(G > I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used to-5 > scan, store, and display images of paper documents.z >i8 > Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS? >sC > What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?  >Z< > Are there software products designed to build this kind of > application? > ' > Any information would be appreciated.e    L more..... in the PC/unix world there are scan accelerator boards available -F Kofax.com comes to mind. Fujitsu often bundles these boards with their	 scanners.m  K As far as image format goes, Tiff is the usual standard for high-definitiondH scans but image sizes tend to be large >2Mb per image. Choice of formatsJ tends to be dictated by the types of original documents and the resolution you need to retain.d  K Others have already touched on whether you want the images as just files or L as object (blobs) in a database. I have used blobs to store images of signedL account/swaps/repo and other high value agreements asscociated with specific0 customer records in a relational db. Works fine.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:41:02 GMTM# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMSJ Message-ID: <iyt7b.428265$4UE.285527@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  % Also check http://www.komnetworks.come  1 These guys used to do a ton of VMS-related stuff.m    6 "Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message2 news:hhlrlv01mku5mrg4dqh80umaaa0vl2ec12@4ax.com... >X > Greetings all! > G > I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used to95 > scan, store, and display images of paper documents.c >R8 > Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS? >uC > What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host?o >w< > Are there software products designed to build this kind of > application? >c' > Any information would be appreciated.e >m >f > Jack Fortune > Fedex Trade Networks > Atlanta, Georgia >  >t   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 22:58 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e  Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS, Message-ID: <9SEP200322580371@gerg.tamu.edu>  J In article <bjlee2012b8@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes...9 }Fred Kleinsorge <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote: O }> This isn't really a USB issue (at least not a USB 2.0 issue) mostly it's the4K }> fact that scanners now cost $99 retail.  They cost a whole lot more whenn }> they had SCSI interfaces. } J }Last I checked (2-3 months ago when I bought a new scanner) you can stillI }get SCSI scanners.  However, the price scales something like this; USB, cJ }USB 2.0, Firewire, SCSI.  I went with a USB 2.0 model despite my Mac onlyM }supporting USB 1.1 at the moment, at the 300x300 resolution my old UMAX SCSImJ }scanner supported it's actually faster (I can't wait to try it at USB 2.0	 }speeds).f }tL }The point being, that at least for right now, the original poster can stillL }find SCSI scanners, it just takes some looking.  The downside being that inK }the future anything except the truely high-end, will probably be USB (it's - }actually easier to find SCSI than Firewire).H } 
 }			  Zane  L USB 1 is a speed bottleneck - it's effective sustained throughput isn't muchM over 11 Mbits/sec. If you are scanning at 24 bits per pixel, you can do maybeeG 460,000 pixels per second. At 300dpi and scanning a document with a bit2H of margin trimming so it is 8 inches wide, that gives you a maximum scanH rate down the page of just about 0.64 inches per second, or about 15.625H seconds to scan 10 inches of page (trimming a bit off the top and bottomF for margins, that's a full page). That's roughly the scanning speed ofH a typical $99 scanner. If you bump the scan resolution up to 600 dpi for@ the same document, USB 1 limits your throughput to the same dataF rate but you're trying to send 4 times as many pixels, so it now takesE some 62.5 seconds to scan the same page. Your typical $99 scanner can0H almost certainly scan at 1200dpi, which is pointless to do in most casesJ like this but that doesn't stop people from trying, which is yet another 4F times as many pixels and therefore increases the scan time to some 250D seconds. Better consumer level scanners can scan at 2400 dpi or evenH 4800 dpi for the higher end versions, and a lot of them can send 48 bitsB per pixel back to you (professional scanners can go to even higherI resolutions than that, but I don't know that you'd want to spend $20,000+s7 on a scanner unless your doing actual publishing work).p  H USB 2 doesn't have this problem. It is faster than Ultra SCSI and 3/4 asK fast as Ultra 2 (both of the wide variety, although as far as I know nobodytL has ever produced any version of these in the narrow width) at 480 Mbits/sec. (60 MB/sec). That'll let you scan pretty fast.  @ I know this USB 1 info is accurate because my scanner at home, aB CanoScan 1220U (which is spiffy - the newer versions are likely toB be even spiffier; one nice thing is that it has only one cord, theA USB cord: no power cord as it is a low powered device which draws-@ its power from the USB), does become is USB limited in scan rate& somewhere near 300dpi for color scans.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 22:13:25 GMTd From: healyzh@aracnet.comr+ Subject: Mac OS X -> Pathworks/Mac problemsa+ Message-ID: <bjlja50657@enews1.newsguy.com>e  I Just an FYI for anyone accessing OpenVMS disks from their Mac OS X system L using Pathworks/Mac.  On Sunday I wanted to edit a Perl script I was writingL for my OpenVMS system, so I thought I'd just open it using xemacs running onE the Mac.  The moment that 'xemacs' tried to read the directory of thepK Appletalk share, the Mac locked up SOLID.  After rebooting I decided to try C and repeat this, and unfortunatly was able to without any problem. e  @ I'm guessing the correct solution is to access the data via NFS.  K BTW, I'm still able to access data on the share from 'Finder' and I've not a tried from the command-line.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:59:23 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>rO Subject: Re: Missing bytes and buffer overrun when reading with terminal driverd' Message-ID: <3F5E938B.7E29B7B1@fsi.net>.   Martin Ejdestig wrote: > L > Why do I sporadically miss bytes when reading from a port in the followingL > way [1]? I would expect malformed data if it's a setup issue, not entirelyN > missing bytes. A colleague has also reportedly seen "buffer overrun" errors. >  > [C code snipped]   Look into SET TERM/HOSTSYNC.  H HOSTSYNC is not enabled by default. HOSTSYNC means that the system sendsE <XOFF> to the terminal when the input buffer fills up and sends <XON>5, when the buffer has been cleared down again.  F I find I need this with WRQ's VAXLINK2 and ALPHALK2, not to mention RZF (X/Y/ZMODEM receive) and doing big "pastes" in Reflection(, SmartTerm, PowerTerm, etc.).n   -- n David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> # Subject: More DSPP renewal problemsk/ Message-ID: <bjl3q6$77$1@sparta.btinternet.com>o   Hi,   J I'd really like to just confirm this contract (even though I don't seem toD have the right Adobe font or whatever wiz-bang thing you need to see Stephan's signature)  H Why can't these Web guys just use last year's stuff? (And when selectingK multiple choices it's good to have two boxes 1) those to select from and 2)x* those that have been selected. Just my 2c)   Regards Richard Mahers   Template Failed:) can't read "company_id": no such variable      while executing  "set $::BASE::DB::COMPANY_ID"e     invoked from withinl, "set comp_id [set $::BASE::DB::COMPANY_ID] "     invoked from within- "EVAL $body"     invoked from within22 "INCLUDE LIBNAME "$LayoutController(content_lib)""     invoked from within:2 "subst [com.hp.dspp.BaseTemplate::getPageContent]"     invoked from withine; "subst [[set LayoutController(template_alias)]  DISPLAY 0]"      invoked from withini "EVAL $body"     invoked from withint- "INCLUDE LIBNAME "Rep_reg_RegistrationLayout"  "e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:46:05 +0300 " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1& Message-ID: <3F5E11DD.7C92AEB2@hp.com>  f Oracle engineers are  currently working on modifying their link procedure to link ORACLE.EXE resident.1 In the meanwhile you may tweak the link procedure-	 yourself.-   Guy-   Richard Brodie wrote:0  d > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:U1m7b.1027$G1.5987@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...+ > > I already have ORACLE.EXE installed ???w >s > Yes, but not resident.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:02:47 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-12 Message-ID: <fkq7b.1047$G1.5903@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  ? "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> a crit dans le message de;& news:bjkr8s$185e@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk... >l7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messageh, news:U1m7b.1027$G1.5987@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...+ > > I already have ORACLE.EXE installed ???r >  > Yes, but not resident. >t  ) True. I got mislead with /HEADER_RESIDENTo   -- c Syltremy   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 20:51:27 -0700n1 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer):0 Subject: Re: New linker ECOs for V7.3 and V7.3-1< Message-ID: <477e0934.0309091951.9d4859e@posting.google.com>  d "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<fkq7b.1047$G1.5903@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>...A > "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> a crit dans le message dee( > news:bjkr8s$185e@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk... > >t9 > > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message / >  news:U1m7b.1027$G1.5987@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...T- > > > I already have ORACLE.EXE installed ???I > >  > > Yes, but not resident. > >  > + > True. I got mislead with /HEADER_RESIDENTk  J Can someone explain the difference?  I've tried and tried to understand...  
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:16:52 GMT 3 From: Jeffrey Green <pleasereply@thisnewsgroup.com> Q Subject: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? 0 Message-ID: <3F5E7BAA.3010604@thisnewsgroup.com>   Hello there,  B I'm clearing the cobwebs from my VMS cluster knowledge and have a I question I hope someone can help with.   Ages ago (Vax 4000 server, 3100 d=   workstations clustered) we had a requirement for couple of oF workstations that had to be standalone but tied to the cluster.  I.e. I They don't boot from the cluster and there is no boot root for them, yet kI they participate in the cluster and use the same authorize files.   Back -I when I was the admin for that system we had a DEC contractor come in and o set it up for us.h  B Needless to say that was almost 10 years ago and I can't find any G documentation on how they did it, which brings me to my point.  I have cE group at my work that wants to stand up a very small (4 alphastation aG workstations will grow to 10) VMS OpenVMS Alpha cluster, but they want g? all the workstations to act the same as I previosly discussed. tA Standalone with the OS and page/swap local but still tied to the lH cluster.  I've been searching the Web and every VMS FAQ that I can find I and I haven't seen anything that looks like the answer.  I've pleaded to OF set it up booting off the server, something I still know fairly well,  but the answer was a firm "no".,  H I know it can be done because that DEC contractor did it, although I do  realize that was VMS/Vax (5.2).   D Anyone have a reference or a link to a favorite page with an answer?  G Thanks in advance, I'm really struggling with this one, and I'm off to h% do some more search engine yahtzee =)l  
 Jeffrey Green    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:23:22 GMTyL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")U Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? 6 Message-ID: <00A25A90.4C1E7AE2@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  f In article <3F5E7BAA.3010604@thisnewsgroup.com>, Jeffrey Green <pleasereply@thisnewsgroup.com> writes:
 >Hello there,M >IC >I'm clearing the cobwebs from my VMS cluster knowledge and have a hJ >question I hope someone can help with.   Ages ago (Vax 4000 server, 3100 > >  workstations clustered) we had a requirement for couple of G >workstations that had to be standalone but tied to the cluster.  I.e. rJ >They don't boot from the cluster and there is no boot root for them, yet J >they participate in the cluster and use the same authorize files.   Back J >when I was the admin for that system we had a DEC contractor come in and  >set it up for us. >eC >Needless to say that was almost 10 years ago and I can't find any dH >documentation on how they did it, which brings me to my point.  I have F >group at my work that wants to stand up a very small (4 alphastation H >workstations will grow to 10) VMS OpenVMS Alpha cluster, but they want @ >all the workstations to act the same as I previosly discussed. B >Standalone with the OS and page/swap local but still tied to the I >cluster.  I've been searching the Web and every VMS FAQ that I can find oJ >and I haven't seen anything that looks like the answer.  I've pleaded to G >set it up booting off the server, something I still know fairly well,    >but the answer was a firm "no". >SI >I know it can be done because that DEC contractor did it, although I do    >realize that was VMS/Vax (5.2). > E >Anyone have a reference or a link to a favorite page with an answer?I  L Cluster nodes don't have to be satellite nodes and can have their own systemK disks, so that's not a problem.  What you're asking for is even supported. .L (What's unsupported is cluster members with their own SYSUAFs, etc, althoughD that can work too.) You do need to pick some disk somewhere with the cluster-common files on it.D  N So set up each node as a cluster member.  If you don't remember the cluster idO and password, copy the CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT file into the SYS$SYSTEM directoryaO on each new node.   MSCP serve the disks with cluster-common files on them, and 3 mount the disks very early in your startup process.   N Look in SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE to see what logicals should be defined for cluster# use (SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST, etc, etc.)0  I In SYLOGICALS.COM define the necessary logicals to point to the disk; I'mGO pretty sure the OPENVMS FAQ has this, but you could also google up comp.os.vms,P/ poster hoff, SYLOGICALS, which got me this URL.a    http://groups.google.com/groups?C q=comp.os.vms+sylogicals.com+hoff&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=Y' 7as0if%241ff%40usenet.pa.dec.com&rnum=1n     > H >Thanks in advance, I'm really struggling with this one, and I'm off to & >do some more search engine yahtzee =)   Hope this helps!   -- Alana --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056oM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2003 02:48:35 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com U Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster?t+ Message-ID: <bjm3e30sur@enews1.newsguy.com>e  4 Jeffrey Green <pleasereply@thisnewsgroup.com> wrote:I > Thanks in advance, I'm really struggling with this one, and I'm off to r' > do some more search engine yahtzee =)<  L Look for stuff like SYS$STARTUP:SYLOGICALS.COM, or SYSUAF SYSALF and CLUSTER  = The following message from Hoff, back in '99 should help you.    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cluster+SYSUAF+SYSALF&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=71pmvq%24sk4%40usenet.pa.dec.com&rnum=3  J I might have some notes on this from when I set it up a few years ago, but- the above should get you everything you need.t   			ZaneR   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:49:16 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securityg' Message-ID: <3f5dbe3d$1@cpns1.saic.com>s  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > J >> In article <binflf$abs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK > >> Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >>H >>   Still flailing on reports that are three to five years old now, andG >>   involving products multiple releases back?   (We are clearly doingrI >>   nicely with the contents and the frequency of CERT reports involving92 >>   OpenVMS, then.  Thanks for the confirmation!) >>H >> :>That was me and I don't work for Sun Marketing, do you really thinkA >> :>that marketing people read CERTS and OpenVMS patch reports ?0 >>G >>   Yes, I do.  The best FUD has flavoring overtones of the technical,cG >>   with vaguely official citations for the unwary or the uninitiated.  >>4 >>  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>   >> -----------------------------5 >>     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- - >> www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq6 >>  --------------------------- pure personal opinion  >> ---------------------------H >>         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >> > A > Bobs excercise is a trawl through all the CERT advisories which-> > covers the period when as you yourself have admitted OpenVMS: > reporting wasn't good. So what are you complaining about> > it quite clear that any such trawl would produce stats which' > are highly dubious which is my point.: > 	 > Howevers >  > Lets wind forward to 2002$ > 0 > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-15.html > 4 > TCPIP for OpenVMS is listed as not being vunerable > to this expoit.e > b > http://wwss1pro.compaq.com/support/reference_library/viewdocument.asp?source=SRB0017W.xml&dt=11  >  > 6 > Says different and there is a patch available to fix > the problem. > 3 > Or http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-23.htmlt > 
 > No response  > b > http://wwss1pro.compaq.com/support/reference_library/viewdocument.asp?source=SRB0036W.xml&dt=11  >  > 7 > Was vunerable and there is a patch to fix the problemn > = > I could go on but clearly your earlier point about improvede* > reporting could do with being revisited.  H I usually try not to start a message harshly but, really, Andrew, is it 8 reading or comprehension you are having difficulty with?   Let's look at your first one:i   Quoting from the CERT advisory:e  G "A denial-of-service vulnerability exists in version 9 of the Internet yI Software Consortium's (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) server.  < ISC BIND versions 8 and 4 are not affected. Exploiting this 7 vulnerability will cause the BIND server to shut down."T  H Note, it says in words as clear as possible that this only affects Bind  V9.  Bind V8 is not affected.a  / Now the Compaq response from the same advisory:p  F "TCP/IP for HP OpenVms is not vulnerable to this reported problem.The = current versions of TCP/IP for HP OpenVMS ship BIND 8.2.2-p5"i  F TCP/IP services was running Bind V8.  Bind V8 is not vulnerable.  How  much simpler can it get?  H Now, what happened when TCP/IP services moved to bind V9?  Then we have  your 2nd reference, to wit:S  E "Compaq has not been able to reproduce the problem identified in the 3H CERT advisory for HP TCP/IP Services V5.3 for HP OpenVMS Alpha. However G with the information available, Compaq will  include a code change for wB TCP/IP Services V5.3 in a comprehensive ECO (Q3FY 2002) that will > further reduce any potential denial of service vulnerability."  H In other words "We tested it.  It didn't fail.  But we'll fix this code  section just to be safe anyway"0  H So, contrary to your claim, this bulletin does NOT say differently.  It @ does NOT say TCP/IP services was vulnerable.  It says quite the I opposite.  It says they COULDN'T tigger a vulnerability but they patched > the code just to play it safe.  I How do you possibly get the idea that TCP/IP services was vulnerable and l4 needed to update their response to CERT out of this?  E When I find out why the CERT advisory you quote next was not updated nK with HP's response, then I can address the validity of your second example.e  
 Mark Berrymana   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:02:36 GMTd' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates8 Message-ID: <bfqslvogk1r5ussvpjvf4h0fd88egpe5ur@4ax.com>  = Yes, EDT was coded in Bliss, with some assembler to interfaces to the operating system.%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)t   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2003 21:29:41 GMTe From: healyzh@aracnet.come Subject: Re: PWS 500 questiond, Message-ID: <bjlgo52171m@enews2.newsguy.com>  % issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> wrote:cN > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<bjj8c25lke@enews4.newsguy.com>...O > > Try moving your SCSI card to a different slot.  The slot I had mine pluggedAL > > into slowly went bad.  Which unfortunatly probably means I need to start& > > shopping for a replacement system. > >   F > I tried this and it made no difference. I got the service guide from  G Rat's, I figured I just got lucky.  Still I think i'm only delaying the. inevitable.S  * > Any ideas? What are the likely culprits?  F How is the system situated for RAM?  If you've got multiple pairs, tryL taking all except for one set out, and if it still doesn't work try swapping	 that set.   @ > Is there any way of plugging a VT into the system in case it's) > something to do with the graphics card?.  K You can simply plug one into one of the serial ports.  To get to the SRM ittL doesn't matter which, for watching the actual boot up it does.  Based on theL wierd LED pattern you get, I'd recommend getting a VT hooked up and removingJ all the cards from the system.  If it comes up, power down, put a card in,J and repeat till you find the bad card.  Hopefully it's not your SCSI card.  H Getting a VT hooked up can be tricky depending on the cables you have onK hand.  I use a VT420 with an MMJ cable, a DB25-DB9 converter and either one I or two gender changers (I can't remember if it's 1 or 2).  It makes for alJ big heavy weight hanging of the back of the system (I don't use a graphics+ card on it, and might have even pulled it).E   			Zanet   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:50:11 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>; Subject: Re: some new freeware and freeware updates for VMSm$ Message-ID: <3f5e835f$1@news.si.com>  ? >The following packages have recently been placed on my server.h  L Mark, could you include objects for those of us who don't have compilers for both architectures?b -- tI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com.5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.tD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991i8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.501 ************************com/pub/xv/d >. > 3 ܗܤY# P¸U7qs0E"Wލ8af4z`?SXJ>d+GGvQ
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