1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 11 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 504       Contents:+ Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch 1 Re: Advanced Server - copying large file problem? + Re: Backup foreground/background operations + Re: Backup foreground/background operations 3 Badly Need 2 header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h> 7 Re: Badly Need 2 header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h> 7 Re: Badly Need 2 header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h>  Re: Block size in show dev?  Re: Block size in show dev? % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads % Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads  CODA on VMS , Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive, Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive DLT Compatibility  Re: FTP - Get size of a file6 Re: Image tools for VMS - follow up - advanced server?6 Re: Image tools for VMS - follow up - advanced server?& Re: Mac OS X -> Pathworks/Mac problems& Re: Mac OS X -> Pathworks/Mac problems Re: MESSAGE problem F Re: Missing bytes and buffer overrun when reading with terminal driverF Re: Missing bytes and buffer overrun when reading with terminal driver' Re: Moving a Tk70 from 3400 to 4000/600  Not seen in the WSJ today  Re: Not seen in the WSJ today  RE: Not seen in the WSJ today M Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the  cluster? M Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the  cluster? L Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive  Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive  Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive  Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive  Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive  Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive  OT: PBS  Re: PWS 500 question RE: PWS 500 question Re: PWS 500 question Re: PWS 500 question Re: PWS 500 question! Re: RDB Interactive SQL questions = Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem = Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem = Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem = Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem , Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security), RE: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security), Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security), Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security) Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. RE: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 11 Sep 2003 13:26:52 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch9 Message-ID: <bjpt6s$m23h0$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   3 In article <8xPGNFRnGJMD@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > D >    They've lived with it and they can die with it, even RSX didn't  >    stay on the market forever.  D Don't let Mentec hear you say that.  It's up-to-date and still being actively marketed and sold. 0             http://www.mentec-inc.com/RSXSW.html   bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 08:04:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch3 Message-ID: <8xPGNFRnGJMD@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bjni1b$ipu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  : > Losing market share in all their markets as HP have done9 > while shifting the balance of their product revenue mix ; > from the Enterprise systems market (where Freds economies = > are most likely to be seen) to PC's where HP clearly cannot 8 > operate at close to Dells margins is hardly a plan for7 > sucess nor is it any help to people like you who want  > OpenVMS to suceed.  B    Yeah, but we were all saying that back when the Carly and CurlyA    game first started.  HP is trying to do more of a money losing     business.  E    So what's Sun's excuse?  They're still stuck in eunichs-only mode. B    They've lived with it and they can die with it, even RSX didn't    stay on the market forever.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:56:22 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch> Message-ID: <GW08b.20197$ip5.1533944@twister.southeast.rr.com>  + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch   8 Yea, they know how to invest peoples money also...wrong.  K Any comments on VeriSign booting Sun out of the Internic for Red Hat Linux?  That has to hurt.   3 Red Hat Providing VeriSign With Linux-Based Servers A http://www.enterpriselinux.org/stories.php?story=03/09/10/1221561      -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  SpyderByte.com    EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org $ EnterpriseLinux.org  |  LinuxHPC.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:29:35 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <3i28b.4503$Z71.1547@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 Ken Farmer <KFarmer@nospam.spyderbyte.com> wrote: M > Any comments on VeriSign booting Sun out of the Internic for Red Hat Linux?  > That has to hurt.   5 > Red Hat Providing VeriSign With Linux-Based Servers C > http://www.enterpriselinux.org/stories.php?story=03/09/10/1221561   E Much as I like to see Sun bashed, where in the article you reference, D or its twin on redhat's website does it say what of Verisign's stuff. was still on Sun as opposed to something else?  
 rick jones --  H Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:55:05 -0400 $ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>: Subject: Re: Advanced Server - copying large file problem?, Message-ID: <bjq2ca$af4$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>   Hi Clay,  J The Advanced Server is currently limited to 32bit file sizes - which meansJ less than 4GB.  It is slated for 64bit file size support, but I don't know when/if that'll happen...   H As for copy performance, lots of things could affect that such as volumeK highwater marking ($ sh dev/full), disk fragmentation (Advanced Server uses H 32 block extend size, by default).  Also, the server sets the SMB bufferL size to a mere 4K, by default.  You can increase to 8K, 16K or 32K by doing;  ' $ edit pwrk$commonroot:[000000]pwrk.ini    [LMSRV] 4 MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE = 8192  ! or 16384 or 32768 (only)  J Note, this parameter is valid only in v7.3A variants of Advanced Server...   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:56:33 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)4 Subject: Re: Backup foreground/background operations. Message-ID: <bjq2f1$jmq$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes in article <3F5FEC20.7C3AA26B@fsi.net> dated Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:29:36 -0500: >"Keith A. Lewis" wrote: >>   >> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes in article <3F5E9522.AC0B34EC@fsi.net> dated Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:06:10 -0500:  >> >Bart Zorn wrote: >> >> + >> >> See HELP BACKUP_command /RELEASE_TAPE  >> >L >> >Problem with that is all it does is release (deallocate) the tape drive.I >> >There's no way to trigger another process to take over the drive just 
 >> >released.  >>   >> $tape_loop: >> $ wait 0:0:5 ( >> $ on severe_error then goto tape_loop >> $ backup .... /release_tape >>  J >> Could be smarter, but in most cases it will do what the original poster	 >> needs.  > J >....except that he still lacks a mechanism for kicking off another backupI >process using the drive just released while the current process executes 
 >the /RECORD.   J The processes would be running already, each one will simply loop until it gets access to the drive.     E >Oh, yeah: /RELEASE will DISMOUNT/UNLOAD the tape. Maybe not what the  >user wants.  E That can be fixed by doing a MOUNT/FOREIGN/NOUNLOAD before the BACKUP  command.    Thanks for the info about DFU.    + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 12:08:07 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: Backup foreground/background operations3 Message-ID: <4erQNUdphhWc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <bjq2f1$jmq$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes in article <3F5FEC20.7C3AA26B@fsi.net> dated Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:29:36 -0500:  K >>....except that he still lacks a mechanism for kicking off another backup J >>process using the drive just released while the current process executes >>the /RECORD. > L > The processes would be running already, each one will simply loop until it > gets access to the drive.     D To avoid wasting CPU too much, however, it would be best to keep theF queue width at 2, letting only the current and successor jobs execute.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 06:40:54 -0700* From: roshan_tech@yahoo.co.in (Roshan Pai)< Subject: Badly Need 2 header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h>= Message-ID: <c236534f.0309110540.287ea5fa@posting.google.com>    Hi,    I am new to VMS.  F I am trying to re-build a legacy c program  sign128 on windows and get the following errors  C c:\sign128\openssl\ssl_task.c(120) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open 4 include file: 'descrip.h': No such file or directoryE c:\sign128\crypto\bio\bss_rtcp.c(72) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open 4 include file: 'starlet.h': No such file or directory    3 ie 2 missing header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h>   @ These files are not easily available on the net too. Can someoneB please lead me to a link where i could get these two header files.  < It would be much better if anyone could provide a link to an executable of sign128.   Thanks in advance, Roshan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:16:14 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)@ Subject: Re: Badly Need 2 header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h>1 Message-ID: <Os%7b.4452$pW.1461@news.cpqcorp.net>   j In article <c236534f.0309110540.287ea5fa@posting.google.com>, roshan_tech@yahoo.co.in (Roshan Pai) writes: >  >Hi, >  >I am new to VMS.  > G >I am trying to re-build a legacy c program  sign128 on windows and get  >the following errors   ? There appears to be some confusion here.  You appear to want to @ compile a program that was intended for OpenVMS, but you say youB are trying to build it on Windows.  If the program is for OpenVMS,? is there a reason why you are trying to build it on a different 	 platform?     D >c:\sign128\openssl\ssl_task.c(120) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open5 >include file: 'descrip.h': No such file or directory F >c:\sign128\crypto\bio\bss_rtcp.c(72) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open5 >include file: 'starlet.h': No such file or directory   C These header files define structures and routins which are probably B only available on OpenVMS.  You're not going to find them on other operating systems.  = >It would be much better if anyone could provide a link to an  >executable of sign128.   ? For which operating system?  There are plenty of search engines A which can locate files, but you have to know what you are looking 
 for first.  < If you could supply more information on exactly what you are; trying to do, there are probably people here who can supply  some better answers.   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:25:18 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG@ Subject: Re: Badly Need 2 header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h>0 Message-ID: <00A25BD7.77F7F6BC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <c236534f.0309110540.287ea5fa@posting.google.com>, roshan_tech@yahoo.co.in (Roshan Pai) writes: >Hi, >  >I am new to VMS.  > G >I am trying to re-build a legacy c program  sign128 on windows and get  >the following errors  > D >c:\sign128\openssl\ssl_task.c(120) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open5 >include file: 'descrip.h': No such file or directory F >c:\sign128\crypto\bio\bss_rtcp.c(72) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open5 >include file: 'starlet.h': No such file or directory  >  > 4 >ie 2 missing header files <descrip.h> & <starlet.h> > A >These files are not easily available on the net too. Can someone C >please lead me to a link where i could get these two header files.     B Doesn't matter.  These are header files for VMS specific entities.     > = >It would be much better if anyone could provide a link to an  >executable of sign128.  >  >Thanks in advance,  >Roshan   @ Never heard of it!  Perhpas if you posted a pointer to where YOU? picked up the VMS version, someone might be able to assist you.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:47:50 +0200 > From: "Winfried Bergmann" <winfried.bergmannNosPAM@empuron.de>$ Subject: Re: Block size in show dev?9 Message-ID: <bjp98l$lijs1$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>   ; "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag + news:03091018390986@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... - > > John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote: 3 > > > > SHOW DEV DKA0 shows 17,773,524 total blocks @ > > > > are these 512 byte blocks?  What is the block size here? > > > Block size = 512 bytes. . > > > Roughly 17,773,524 / 2,000,000 = 8.88 GBL > > > The value of 2,000,000 is not exact but it is close enough for my use. > > > Isn't it like 209,000,00?  > >  > Tony Arnold wrote:J > > Isn't 2,000,000 actually exact? If a block is 512 bytes, then 1Gb, hasG > > to have 2,000,000 blocks exactly? Or has my maths gone rusty? (I am H > > assuming that 1Gb is 1024 megabytes, which in turn is 1024 kilobytes	 > > etc.) 	 > > Tony.  >  > Your math is fine. > J > Two definitions (check the definition by IBM - ooo was that a bad word?) > C > http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212542,00.html  >  > C > If you assume that 1-GB is 1,024 mega-bytes then you are correct.  > ' >      17,773,524 * 512 = 9,100,044,288 + >      9,100,044,288 / 1,024,000,000 = 8.88  >           -or-$ >      17,773,524 / 2,000,000 = 8.88   Close, but:   L if 1 GB == 1024 MB and if 1 MB == 1024 Kb and if 1 Kb == 1024 Byte, you have to divide by  " 1024 * 1024 * 1024 = 1,073,741,824  / Therefore: 9,100,044,288 / 1,073,741,824 = 8.47        winfried.bergmann(AT)empuron.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:21:21 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)$ Subject: Re: Block size in show dev?1 Message-ID: <03091109212184@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   & winfried.bergmann(AT)empuron.de wrote:E > > If you assume that 1-GB is 1,024 mega-bytes then you are correct.  > > ) > >      17,773,524 * 512 = 9,100,044,288 - > >      9,100,044,288 / 1,024,000,000 = 8.88  > >           -or-& > >      17,773,524 / 2,000,000 = 8.88 > 
 > Close, but:  > N > if 1 GB == 1024 MB and if 1 MB == 1024 Kb and if 1 Kb == 1024 Byte, you have > to divide by > $ > 1024 * 1024 * 1024 = 1,073,741,824 > 1 > Therefore: 9,100,044,288 / 1,073,741,824 = 8.47   3 You are correct - there is one in every crowd!  ;-)   J I was kind of thinking that 8.88 was an odd disk size... 8.4 makes sense.  Thanks!            J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Sep 2003 07:17:33 GMT/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> . Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-MjUPid1s3RBc@localhost>   F On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:25:57 UTC, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua  Lehrer) wrote:  n > "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-t6lrjDteMGIL@localhost>...I > > Before I got up, my mind drifted to the shared access scenario above  : > > and realised that the producer doing something like :- > >  > > 	g_value = g_value + term1 > > 	g_value = g_value + term2 > > J > > is unsafe/misleading for M, as you point out above. Therefore, a safer > > way would be :=  > >  > > 	temp = g_Value + term1  > > 	g_value = temp +term2 > >  >  > C > Not to beat a dead horse, but this is not safe C++ code.  The C++ F > compiler/optimizer has the right to reorder the code, as long as theH > end result is the expected end result.  It is allowed to ignore "temp"7 > and simply add "term1" to "g_value" then add "term2".   F Good point. That's my Fortran heritage coming through. In general, theF (DEC) Fortran compiler will differentiate between local and and globalF variables (Common, Module or even Arguments) when making optimisation  choices.   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 05:37:47 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads3 Message-ID: <703TAnUAiYhv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <1030910172703.3498A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:5 > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > f >> In article <bKEDl5oxbIDY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  D >> >Obviously the Lock Value Block must be in thread-specific memory >> >if not on the stack. >>  K >> The lock value block is located in the RSB which is carved out of system 3 >> space (S2 space for the latest versions of VMS).  > 0 > I think Larry must mean the Lock Status Block.  # And the lock value block within it.   L > (The Lock Value Block (or a copy of it) is also stored in the Lock Status G > Block.  I think this should actually be named a Resource Value Block, F > since it is actually associated with the resource rather than with a# > particular lock on the resource.)   D I might concur if it weren't a bit late for making such a change :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 05:45:14 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Choosing between ASTs and Threads3 Message-ID: <Tjwqnzv1jrNx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <477e0934.0309102122.7dfc4fe7@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes: _ > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1030910172703.3498A-100000@Ives.egh.com>...  >>  I >> I haven't done any thread programming, but AFAIK, a single process can , >> have multiple locks on the same resource. >>   > H > You need to be careful.  The lock manager knows nothing about threads.F >  If thread A has an exclusive lock, and thread B queues an exclusiveD > lock, it will return immediately with a deadlock error.  The queueG > manager doesn't know that you are going to release the lock in thread > > A at some point, at which point, thread B can have the lock. > D > There is a flag that you can set on the queueing of the request to > ignore deadlocks.   . You are correct.  I had forgotten that nuance.  @ Of course that means one must write a deadlock-free application,/ using a cannonical locking order like RMS does.   D I know a _very_ formal request was submitted to fix this a while agoD (the Lock Manager already has an internal data cell to handle this).C The last I knew, however, the time of the Lock Manager folks in VMS A Development was being spent on improving performance on newer and . faster machines, to the detriment of this fix.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:58:23 +0100 , From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com> Subject: CODA on VMS1 Message-ID: <3F607F7F.BD859AB4@notreallyhere.com>   & --------------11675AE569FC844D390B7E5E* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Hi,   G Does anybody know if you have to re-link / re-install CODA if you patch > VMS. We are seeing some infrequent access violations in a CODAG environment and the only event out of the ordinary (ish) is that it was F patched up to the (then) current levels for Alpha 7.1-2. UnfortunatelyF the accvios are only reported in the accounting file so no details are
 available.  # A listing of the patches applied...   ; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------  --------------------D PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------  --------------------G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_SHADOWING V5.0    Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:08:13G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_MOUNT96 V3.0      Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:08:01G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DW_MOT_MUP V1.0   Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:07:49G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_LAT V1.0          Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:07:21G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V2.0        Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:07:10G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_PPPD V1.0         Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:06:23G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DRIVER V3.0       Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:06:12G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_GRAPHICS V4.0     Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:06:00G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_RTPAD V1.0        Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:05:09G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_CPU2208 V2.0      Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:04:58G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DS20E V1.0        Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:04:47G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_LAN V3.0          Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:04:36G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_LIBRTL V1.0       Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:04:15G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_CLIUTL V1.0       Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:04:01G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_MANAGE V2.0       Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:03:46G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DV V1.0           Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:03:36G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_IPC V1.0          Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:03:26G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DDTM V1.0         Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:03:15G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_P350 V1.0         Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:03:06G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_MEM_CHAN V1.0     Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:02:25G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V1.0        Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:02:16G DEC AXPVMS VMS712_USB V1.0          Patch       Install     12-APR-2002  17:01:38   Thanks,    Ade   & --------------11675AE569FC844D390B7E5E) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hi, J <p>Does anybody know if you have to re-link / re-install CODA if you patchJ VMS. We are seeing some infrequent access violations in a CODA environmentF and the only event out of the ordinary (ish) is that it was patched upG to the (then) current levels for Alpha 7.1-2. Unfortunately the accvios E are only reported in the accounting file so no details are available. & <p>A listing of the patches applied...P <p><tt><font size=-1>----------------------------------- ----------- -----------  --------------------</font></tt> <br><tt><font size=-1>PRODUCT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; J KIT TYPE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OPERATION&nbsp;&nbsp; DATE AND TIME</font></tt>Q <br><tt><font size=-1>----------------------------------- ----------- -----------   --------------------</font></tt>H <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_SHADOWING V5.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:08:13</font></tt>R <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_MOUNT96 V3.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:08:01</font></tt>m <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DW_MOT_MUP V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; @ Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12-APR-2002 17:07:49</font></tt>f <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_LAT V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:07:21</font></tt>\ <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V2.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:07:10</font></tt>a <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_PPPD V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:06:23</font></tt>W <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DRIVER V3.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:06:12</font></tt>M <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_GRAPHICS V4.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:06:00</font></tt>\ <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_RTPAD V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:05:09</font></tt>R <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_CPU2208 V2.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:04:58</font></tt>\ <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DS20E V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:04:47</font></tt>f <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_LAN V3.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:04:36</font></tt>W <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_LIBRTL V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:04:15</font></tt>W <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_CLIUTL V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:04:01</font></tt>W <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_MANAGE V2.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:03:46</font></tt>k <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DV V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:03:36</font></tt>f <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_IPC V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:03:26</font></tt>a <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DDTM V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:03:15</font></tt>a <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_P350 V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:03:06</font></tt>M <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_MEM_CHAN V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:02:25</font></tt>\ <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   12-APR-2002 17:02:16</font></tt>f <br><tt><font size=-1>DEC AXPVMS VMS712_USB V1.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I Patch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Install&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; > 12-APR-2002 17:01:38</font></tt><tt><font size=-1></font></tt>4 <p><font size=-1>Thanks,</font><font size=-1></font>" <p><font size=-1>Ade</font></html>  ( --------------11675AE569FC844D390B7E5E--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:18:19 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive 2 Message-ID: <diidnR1TlpUjvP2iXTWJlg@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0309091417.3d8c0a59@posting.google.com... D > HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systems3 > based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.   H Despite your gushing enthusiasm, it's really a stretch to call DeerfieldL 'the next Itanium [sic] chip iteration' in anything even like the sense thatK Madison et al. were.  Madison appeared in 6 MB, 4 MB, and 3 MB cache sizes. L Deerfield simply extends this range to 1.5 MB (and lowers the core voltage):3 it's basically the same chip as the other Madisons.      For example, theF > zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield)D > with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system- > (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:32:27 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive 2 Message-ID: <H9qcnVg_l7STuP2iXTWJjQ@metrocast.net>  3 "Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in message , news:jfu7b.4368$nT6.3383@news.cpqcorp.net...+ > Jack Peacock <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: B > > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message; > > news:cf15391e.0309091417.3d8c0a59@posting.google.com... G > >> HP announced Madison-based systems on June 30, and already systems H > >> based on the next Itanium chip iteration are out.  For example, theI > >> zx2000 uses a low-voltage 1 Ghz Itanium 2 chip (code name Deerfield) G > >> with 1.5 MB L3 cache, providing a faster but less-expensive system 0 > >> (US$3,666) than the previous 900 Mhz chips. > >>F > > It will be interesting to see how it performs against x86 boxes in > @ > (if you are excluding Xeons and such, and making things 64-bit+ > shouldn't you say AMD64 rather than x86?)   F Why exclude Xeons (and dual P4s, for that matter)?  Since AMD is stillB developing market acceptance in servers, some of Itanic's toughest, competition is from its own 32-bit siblings.   > G > > the same $3600 price range.  Single 1GHZ CPU vs dual 2GHZ opterons, ' > > same memory, same disk, and 64 bit?  > > ... E > > What is the cost of a small dual Opteron in the same form factor?  >  > L http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20030908comp.htm?iid=ipp_srv r_proc_itanium2+pr&  > 6 > lists $744, for the low-voltage 1 GHz part and then: >  > L http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html
 ?redir=CPT301  > C > lists $794 for the 286.  So from that point they seem to start at ? > _roughly_ the same place and it will be a matter of the other * > components and desired margins and such.  H Not really.  Unless you're doing strictly FP-style code, the $794 246 (2J GHz) Opteron has similar performance to the top-of-the-line (1.5 GHz, 6 MBE cache) Madison (which IIRC costs over $4K) rather than to anything as G low-end as Deerfield.  In fact, even the bottom-of-the-line 1.4 GHz 240 K Opteron model has considerably higher integer performance than Deerfield is I likely to have - and it costs only $256 (assuming you want dual-processor ? capability; the single-processor 1.4 GHz 140 model costs $229).    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 09:38:09 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)y5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrive = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309110838.53825d52@posting.google.com>e  M healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<bjlplt01br5@enews3.newsguy.com>...aM > Unfortunatly I fail to see where the above webpage says anything about thisiM > system running OpenVMS.  That is the *ONLY* OS I'm interested in running ona@ > an Itanium system.  Neither Windows or HP-UX are even options.  * I heartily concur with your OS preference.  E It's just a little early to see official VMS support in announcements  for new Itanium boxes.  F That said, I'm told VMS does run on this box, and the odds are good it7 could even end up as officially supported, in due time.e   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 09:43:06 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)m5 Subject: Re: Deerfield-based Itanium 2 systems arrivei= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0309110843.19abd34b@posting.google.com>   R CJT <cheljuba@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:<3F5E84B0.1030907@prodigy.net>... > Looking at the specs:h .../= > I'm curious what the "KW" ratings on the audio inputs mean.r   Certainly now KiloWatts!  B My best guess is that this refers to the A/D or D/A sample rate inF Kilo-Words.  By the Nyquist sampling theorem, you need to sample at atC least twice the highest frequency of interest.  10 kilo-samples perSD second would be good up to 5 Khz frequencies, or voice-quality audioD (telephones have 4 Khz bandwidth, for example).  47 kilo-samples perB second would be more than good enough for 20 Khz CD-quality audio.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:06:04 -0700e* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> Subject: DLT Compatibility2 Message-ID: <Wqidnd2uy63gNv2iU-KYvQ@mpowercom.net>  L Can a TZ87 or TZ88 DLT drive read cartridges from a TF85 tape drive?  I needJ to move data from a VAX 6000 that has no network connections, no SCSI, andL no other tape drive, onto an Alpha.  Ebay has some TZ87/88 drives cheap, and$ the Alpha has the SCSI ports for it.    Jack Peacockv   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 02:15:15 -0700& From: tom_newsgroups@hotmail.com (Tom)% Subject: Re: FTP - Get size of a filer= Message-ID: <2d50254b.0309110115.7c0ce75c@posting.google.com>E  D Thanks for this idea, we do it now this way: zipping the file on the? VMS side, transfer it and then extract it. I think, this is thee easiest and fastest method.M   Thanks to everybody here :)s Tomp  m "Rik Steenwinkel" <rsteenw@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<Ysd2q9KROUC1-pn2-kNb3duezwdhh@news.xs4all.nl>...eC > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:21:44 UTC, thomas.geel@ubs.com (Tom) wrote:a > H > } Introduction: I have to write a (Windows-) service to get files of aJ > } FTP server running on OpenVMS. I have no clue about VMS at all. In theF > } past, we had problems with transfering files from this server to aD > } Windows share; just part of a file was transfered. We do like toJ > } implement a check, so the filesize located on the FTP and the filesizeF > } on the share is compared. If it does not match, transfer again (or > } resume). > D > I wouldn't do it that way. Just relying on the file size will not G > catch other types of corruption, only broken transfers. Zip the file eG > on the VMS side, and unzip -t it on the receiver. If that fails, the  C > file is clobbered. Or choose some kind of checksum which you can  1 > calculate on both ends and transfer separately.| > C > } To my problem now: Is there a command like 'SIZE <file>' on thecI > } standart VMS FTP server? Is it a permission problem? The test-account-G > } i got does not have such a command. Our VMS admin is out of office.@ > } Any hints? > H > On VMS' own (TCPIP/UCX) ftp server: when you issue a ftp>dir you will 8 > get back the size in VMS blocks, which are 512 bytes.  >  > ftp> dir whisky.txtu > 200 PORT command successful.9 > 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;* . > (192.168.x.y,2550) >  > Directory USER:[RIK] > C > WHISKY.TXT;1            40/42         29-AUG-1995 17:04:55  [RIK]c >  > ftp> get whisky.txtE > 200 PORT command successful.9 > 150 Opening data connection for USER:[RIK]WHISKY.TXT;1 r > (192.168.x.y,2552) > Received 19496 bytes > 226 Transfer complete.& > local: whisky.txt remote: whisky.txt5 > 20720 bytes received in 0.08 seconds (252 Kbytes/s)a >   > Now look at the received file: >  > [d:\tcpip\ftp]dir whisky.txt > A >  Volume in drive D is NETWORK        Serial number is 27A2:2815 ( >  Directory of  D:\TCPIP\FTP\whisky.txt > 9 >  9-09-03  19:25          20.721           0  whisky.txt F >          20.721 bytes in 1 file and 0 dirs    20.992 bytes allocated >   2.348.705.792 bytes free > H > So neither the used size (40 blocks -> 20480 bytes) nor the allocated C > size (42 blocks -> 21504 bytes) will yield the correct result to s > compare with.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:47:13 -0400e0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>? Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS - follow up - advanced server?t- Message-ID: <bjq5er$a7e7$1@news3.infoave.net>t   Jack:   K    It is very easy to set up a file share on Pathworks Advanced server thatnJ can be served to the web via the OSU web server. In a theoretical customer@ service invoice retrieval application, here are the basic steps:  J    - map a drive letter to a Pathworks file share, for example Z: could beH mapped to a file share called "\\pwserver\documents" If possible, use anK ODS-5 formatted disk for the share. That way your filenames can be as largegF as necessary to hold all the retrieval data. It is a poor man's way toI create an indexed database using the VMS file system, but it works. UsershK don't need access to this file share, only the scanning station. Users wille% retrieve them through the web server.p  =    - scan your documents by any PC scanning method you choose   E    - save them as jpeg files directly to the VMS file share from yourrH scanning station. TIF and BMP are enormous. Be sure to use a format thatI compresses the image data and is handled directly by any web browser. Youa; can use IMAGEMAGIK to create thumbnail pictures if desired.h  K    - name the files by specific identifying data fields that you might want % to use for retrieval, for instance...   E           z:\invoices\customernum_invoicedate_invoicenum_sequence.jpg0  9     This way you can use DCL lexical functions such as...j  F            filename = f$search("webdrive:[invoices]*_*_9991234_*.jpg")  E       ...to locate a specific invoice (991234) for retrieval by a weby script.t  H     Organize the files by sub-directory if there will be huge numbers ofF files. One application I wrote holds over 500,000 invoices for instantJ retrieval. I broke them up by year, month and day so the directories wouldL be smaller and faster. Plus it makes archiving easier since you can peel offB a whole year at a time to tape. We eliminated microfiche with this application.  <    - "map" the file share to OSU for retrieval, for example:  -          pass   /inv/*   /webdrive/invoices/*   6      this tells OSU to change an html request such as:  ?        http://vms.server.com/inv/11111_20030101_9991234_001.jpgr       to  8        webdrive:[invoices]11111_20030101_9991234_001.jpg  H     and display it in the web browser. You can password protect this webD share using normal VMS sysuaf usernames and passwords or a hardcoded username and password.  J    - write a DCL web script that lists all the documents in the file shareK or allows you to retrieve based on the fields in the filename. For example,.K you could retreive documents by customer number, by invoice number, by datenL or by sequence number. Or a combination of any and all fields. If you need a, sample OSU web script and form, let me know.  I    - A cheap trick is to have your cobol programs display the appropriateeJ filename on the screen, then the user can cut and paste the file name fromD the terminal emulator into a web form to locate and display the file  I    - Web-enable your cobol programs so that it is totally point and click.! and they can skip this last step.   J    - Add the file share to your daily backup routines in case the scanning station gets a virus!t  E   You can also have your retrieval web script run a cobol program anddK display information from your RMS databases alongside the scanned document. G For OSU, you simply use the cobol display statement and write html codeeI directly to the web browser. Maybe you have a dozen related documents fortC each invoice. You could easily provide hyperlinks to the additionalaF documents or run cobol programs to display query information or updateI databases. You could have a web-based customer query form that displays a K customer screen with hyperlinks for every field on the screen, ie, customer-J number, invoice number, a link to mapquest to show how to get there, links* to UPS to track their shipments, etc, etc.  J   OSU, html and web forms can be an easy and inexpensive method to upgrade your "heritage" applications.n     Plus it is fun stuff!m  L   I've written many VMS web-based applications such as this in BASIC, COBOL,K Datatrieve and DCL. A few of my  useful tools and scripts are available at:2( http://www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.html    Hope this info helps.  5                                                  Jefft   -- Jeff Morgan  OpenVMS consultant CBL EnterprisesR Hilton Head Island, SC vmswiz@geoNOSPAMcities.com   remove NOSPAM to email me       6 "Jack Fortune" <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote in message2 news:t45ulv0p1pqgleu3cthvqgl0vk7vd539ts@4ax.com...2 > On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:37:52 -0400, Jack Fortune > <jcfortune3@fedex.com> wrote:- >- > >- > >Greetings all!2 > >6H > >I am researching the range of available VMS tools that can be used to6 > >scan, store, and display images of paper documents. > >39 > >Are there scanners that can be used directly with VMS?  > >wD > >What are the best methods to display images stored on a VMS host? > >a= > >Are there software products designed to build this kind of2 > >application?C > > ( > >Any information would be appreciated. > >h > >  > >Jack Fortunes > >Fedex Trade Networksp > >Atlanta, GeorgiaC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:36:41 +0100 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>? Subject: Re: Image tools for VMS - follow up - advanced server?o9 Message-ID: <bjq8au$lvj3e$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>t  ; "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> wrote in messagel' news:bjq5er$a7e7$1@news3.infoave.net...n > Jack:h >sH >    It is very easy to set up a file share on Pathworks Advanced server thatL > can be served to the web via the OSU web server. In a theoretical customerB > service invoice retrieval application, here are the basic steps: >.L >    - map a drive letter to a Pathworks file share, for example Z: could beJ > mapped to a file share called "\\pwserver\documents" If possible, use anG > ODS-5 formatted disk for the share. That way your filenames can be asd largecH > as necessary to hold all the retrieval data. It is a poor man's way toK > create an indexed database using the VMS file system, but it works. Users H > don't need access to this file share, only the scanning station. Users will' > retrieve them through the web server.e >a? >    - scan your documents by any PC scanning method you choose  > G >    - save them as jpeg files directly to the VMS file share from youriJ > scanning station. TIF and BMP are enormous. Be sure to use a format thatG > compresses the image data and is handled directly by any web browser..  L You might be better using PNG, which is supported by all current (graphical)D browsers and most older versions released in the past 5 years or so.L The problem with JPG is that it is a lossy format. PNG isn't, and it doesn't" have the copyright baggage of GIF.     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - comc +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       ---k& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 07:46:07 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Mac OS X -> Pathworks/Mac problemsn3 Message-ID: <0tAV0socjL0P@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  G In article <bjlja50657@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:-K > Just an FYI for anyone accessing OpenVMS disks from their Mac OS X system N > using Pathworks/Mac.  On Sunday I wanted to edit a Perl script I was writingN > for my OpenVMS system, so I thought I'd just open it using xemacs running onG > the Mac.  The moment that 'xemacs' tried to read the directory of theaM > Appletalk share, the Mac locked up SOLID.  After rebooting I decided to try E > and repeat this, and unfortunatly was able to without any problem. \ > B > I'm guessing the correct solution is to access the data via NFS.  C    You can open a "server" via FTP or NFS using the Go->Connect to oD    Server menu entry in Finder.  VMS FTP servers I've tried haven't H    worked to well, I'm assuming mine would work better if I set MultinetD    to UNIX-emulation mode as I expect its the machine trying to readE    the LIST output again instead of being satisfied with NLST output.h  E    In either case, some classic applications won't be able to see theM@    file unless you copy it to a local folder.  Applications thatD    can see the file will open it as if it was local for both NFS and    FTP services.  E    Safari (Apple's new browser) opens FTP links using this mechanism.kG    You click on an FTP link, or enter it in the URL window, and up popsn7    an icon on the desktop the same as any other server.t  G    Very nice way to browse anonymous FTP services.  Standard techniquessE    for entering usernames in URLs apply for non-anonymous connections0G    and if you need but don't enter a password a dialog box will pop up.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:00:11 GMTD* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: Mac OS X -> Pathworks/Mac problems 5 Message-ID: <110920031000118776%paul.anderson@hp.com>B  ? In article <0tAV0socjL0P@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehler70 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  A > You can open a "server" via FTP or NFS using the Go->Connect to B > Server menu entry in Finder.  VMS FTP servers I've tried haven'tG > worked to well, I'm assuming mine would work better if I set MultinettG > to UNIX-emulation mode as I expect its the machine trying to read thel@ > LIST output again instead of being satisfied with NLST output.  A I got my OpenVMS directory "mounted" via FTP by specifying ftp://gH followed by the name of the system in the Connect to Server dialog box. E That's it, though.  No files were displayed and there was no activityd? on the OpenVMS system indicating it was working on displaying a. directory listing.  & So this is Apple's fault in this case?   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringa   Hewlett-Packard Company,   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 07:58:34 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)8 Subject: Re: MESSAGE problem3 Message-ID: <WPIRUBvapJI7@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  h In article <xBE7b.11897$sY3.9843@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, Edward Brocklesby <ejb@goth.net> writes: > J > The address 000000000801802A in the ACCVIO is, according to the linker, ' > the value of the symbol MSG_SETPFAIL.0  D    Thats it.  The symbols generated by the message utility look likeF    addresses to high level langauges, but they're actually the values.  A    For he C code, just put a & in front of every reference to the4C    message symbol and you should be fine.  Do whatever matches that     in PL/I.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Sep 2003 07:17:34 GMT/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>lO Subject: Re: Missing bytes and buffer overrun when reading with terminal drivery5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-YxiVycpk98d9@localhost>=  @ On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:18:53 UTC, mejde@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin  Ejdestig) wrote:  $ >     PortPrefs[1] |= TT$M_NOBRDCST;# >     PortPrefs[1] |= TT$M_PASSALL;w& >     PortPrefs[1] &= ~TT$M_NOTYPEAHD;  A I'm at home and can't check  but ISTR that in all my doings with oA (dedicated) LAT/TT ports I've always used ALTTYPEAHEAD with data -C devices that report in 80 to 512 byte chunks. The normal typeahead lD buffer either had problems or was too slow. It's a long time (10-15 F years) since I was developing that stuff. Anyway, I would have thought> that turning typeahead OFF might well lead to lost characters.  B Note: I've only had a cursory look thro' your code. I have to put , myself in the right frame of mind to read C.   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:27:34 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>O Subject: Re: Missing bytes and buffer overrun when reading with terminal driver ' Message-ID: <bjpbig$21u$1@lore.csc.com>y   Dave Weatherall wrote: > A > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:18:53 UTC, mejde@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin  > Ejdestig) wrote: > & > >     PortPrefs[1] |= TT$M_NOBRDCST;% > >     PortPrefs[1] |= TT$M_PASSALL;h( > >     PortPrefs[1] &= ~TT$M_NOTYPEAHD; > B > I'm at home and can't check  but ISTR that in all my doings withB > (dedicated) LAT/TT ports I've always used ALTTYPEAHEAD with dataD > devices that report in 80 to 512 byte chunks. The normal typeaheadE > buffer either had problems or was too slow. It's a long time (10-15iH > years) since I was developing that stuff. Anyway, I would have thought@ > that turning typeahead OFF might well lead to lost characters.  C I pondered before posting, but I agree with Dave's advice about therB ALTYPAHEAD. Unless you're running and know you're running with the@ highest realtime priority, I'd assume that your process could be pre-empted during I/O.  4 SYSGEN parameters are TTY_ALTYPAHD and TTY_TYPAHDSZ.  G Sort of related, a VMS technical consultant (HP employee) that drops byoC from time to time was talking to us about device driver writing andaH techniques of data capture and processing. One method he described was aF ring buffer, and your program kept an eye on the controller registers,C and processed data when it could, checking that the circular bufferfE wasn't written past the point you'd read. If that did happen, then in 6 extreme cases you may even choose to raise a bugcheck.   -- l? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:04 +0100e* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>0 Subject: Re: Moving a Tk70 from 3400 to 4000/600' Message-ID: <bjpf7m$3ct$1@lore.csc.com>r   Tony Arnold wrote: > - > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:- ...-F > Thanks for this. After posting the article I took the 3400 to piecesH > and discovered that the TK-70 does not fit as it is into the 4000/600! > A > So, does anyone have or know where I might find a "tape device"48 > carrier for the 4000/600? I'm in Manchester in the UK.  F I had a TF85 which was a DOA, this is what I used, removing the TF and; replacing with the TK. Squirreling ironwork is a good idea.    -- >? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencess nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:06:03 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>." Subject: Not seen in the WSJ todayD Message-ID: <vb08b.830$Rm1.252@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   {advertisment}  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=3&u=/nm/20030$ 910/tc_nm/tech_microsoft_security_dc      / Microsoft Warns of New Critical Hole in Windowsa  K Wed Sep 10, 2003 - SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq:MSFT - K news) on Wednesday warned computer users about a new critical security holemL in its Windows operating system that could allow an attacker to gain control; over a computer, delete data and install unwanted programs.            Do your days start this way?  J Does your company spend more time patching its computers than running your	 business?   D Do your computer support costs keep climbing due to security issues?      J If so, you should look carefully at OpenVMS from HP - the commercial-gradeL operating system that's been powering progressive businesses and governments for more than 25 years.l  F With fewer security problems in 25 years than Microsoft has in a week,I OpenVMS can power the most demanding web sites, databases, and enterprisea7 applications in fully disaster-tolerant configurations.       " It's time to get back to business.   OpenVMS-   from HPA      " Call or write for more information   carly.fiorina@hp.com   (650) 857-1501      * (c) 2003, John Smith. All Rights Reserved.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:20:29 +0100.* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>& Subject: Re: Not seen in the WSJ today+ Message-ID: <bjq3ru$lc2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>p  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message> news:vb08b.830$Rm1.252@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  L > If so, you should look carefully at OpenVMS from HP - the commercial-gradeN > operating system that's been powering progressive businesses and governments > for more than 25 years.   H Well the DCOM vulnerability would be a poor place to start, seeing as itI is a cross-platform one and probably originates in the DCE code initiallyVB developed by HP (Apollo). Patches for VMS available from the usual place.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:38:27 -0700S# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t& Subject: RE: Not seen in the WSJ today9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEEOHPAA.tom@kednos.com>2  7 Another buffer overrun.  It is a C programming feature.   > I think I average one update a week, caught this one yesterday   >-----Original Message----- ) >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]_+ >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:06 AMA >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# >Subject: Not seen in the WSJ today  >n >l >{advertisment}  >7D >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=3&u=
 >/nm/20030% >910/tc_nm/tech_microsoft_security_dc  >  >a > 0 >Microsoft Warns of New Critical Hole in Windows >VL >Wed Sep 10, 2003 - SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq:MSFT -L >news) on Wednesday warned computer users about a new critical security hole@ >in its Windows operating system that could allow an attacker to
 >gain control6< >over a computer, delete data and install unwanted programs. >A >2 >  >7 >: >Do your days start this way?  > K >Does your company spend more time patching its computers than running your.
 >business? > E >Do your computer support costs keep climbing due to security issues?  >  >a > K >If so, you should look carefully at OpenVMS from HP - the commercial-grade A >operating system that's been powering progressive businesses andC >governments >for more than 25 years. >AG >With fewer security problems in 25 years than Microsoft has in a week,lJ >OpenVMS can power the most demanding web sites, databases, and enterprise8 >applications in fully disaster-tolerant configurations. >o >n >r# >It's time to get back to business.t >p >OpenVMS >/ >from HP >  >n >i# >Call or write for more informationb >  >carly.fiorina@hp.coml >  >(650) 857-1501  >y >p >h+ >(c) 2003, John Smith. All Rights Reserved.i >t >s >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.o; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003y >p --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:44:12 GMT&- From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com>&V Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the  cluster?& Message-ID: <3F605FCC.650E3FB5@hp.com>   Jeffrey Green wrote: >  > Hello all, > I > Took all of your suggestions, along with some web surfing and (woohoo!)-F > I got my OpenVMS Docset pulled out of the company long-term storage. > I > I have the cluster master set up (boot server, etc), and 3 workstations&F > loaded with OpenVMS.  I changed the disk label on all the satellitesI > after I figured out that was why they kept dumping out after attempting3 > to join the cluster. > J > Thank you all for the help, information and timely responses.  I did getI > this project handed to me when the person that started it admitted theySD > didn't know what they were doing.  This was confirmed today when I> > rebooted two of the workstations and they joined the clusterB > successfully, only to note that you can't log into them anymore. > F > After a "boot -flags 0,1" and a sysboot p1-min setting on one of theJ > cluster members, I noticed something peculiar after successfully loggingG > in.  A little warning message tells me that somebody forgot to buy ansF > OpenVMS cluster license...  A cursory check of all four workstationsI > shows just OpenVMS, VMS Additional User and Net-app-sup-200 are loaded.iH >   Well at least they DID join the cluster successfully as confirmed by > show cluster/continuous =) > B > I hope to have this completed soon, but I'm going to keep a safeG > distance when I tell the project leader that they need to spend a fewp3 > thousand more $$$ to get what they were promised.b >  > Thanks again,  > Jeffrey Greenp >  > Jeffrey Green wrote: > > Hello there, > >bE > > I'm clearing the cobwebs from my VMS cluster knowledge and have abL > > question I hope someone can help with.   Ages ago (Vax 4000 server, 3100L > >  workstations clustered) we had a requirement for couple of workstationsL > > that had to be standalone but tied to the cluster.  I.e. They don't bootA > > from the cluster and there is no boot root for them, yet they0L > > participate in the cluster and use the same authorize files.   Back whenK > > I was the admin for that system we had a DEC contractor come in and setp > > it up for us.  > >AE > > Needless to say that was almost 10 years ago and I can't find anySJ > > documentation on how they did it, which brings me to my point.  I haveH > > group at my work that wants to stand up a very small (4 alphastationJ > > workstations will grow to 10) VMS OpenVMS Alpha cluster, but they wantB > > all the workstations to act the same as I previosly discussed.D > > Standalone with the OS and page/swap local but still tied to theK > > cluster.  I've been searching the Web and every VMS FAQ that I can findbL > > and I haven't seen anything that looks like the answer.  I've pleaded toI > > set it up booting off the server, something I still know fairly well,-# > > but the answer was a firm "no".& > >&K > > I know it can be done because that DEC contractor did it, although I dob# > > realize that was VMS/Vax (5.2).7 > >1H > > Anyone have a reference or a link to a favorite page with an answer? > >bJ > > Thanks in advance, I'm really struggling with this one, and I'm off to) > > do some more search engine yahtzee =)6 > >t > > Jeffrey Greenn > >e  1 Check SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL_LMFGROUPS.COM;&0 IIRC NAS-200 should include a VAXCLUSTER license   Mike p -- pE ---------------------------------------------------------------------oE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.n? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*&F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------b -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----p Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------b   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:50:22 GMT - From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> V Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the  cluster?& Message-ID: <3F60613E.539119BB@hp.com>   Jeffrey Green wrote: >  > Hello all, > I > Took all of your suggestions, along with some web surfing and (woohoo!);F > I got my OpenVMS Docset pulled out of the company long-term storage. > I > I have the cluster master set up (boot server, etc), and 3 workstationsVF > loaded with OpenVMS.  I changed the disk label on all the satellitesI > after I figured out that was why they kept dumping out after attempting2 > to join the cluster. > J > Thank you all for the help, information and timely responses.  I did getI > this project handed to me when the person that started it admitted theyCD > didn't know what they were doing.  This was confirmed today when I> > rebooted two of the workstations and they joined the clusterB > successfully, only to note that you can't log into them anymore. > F > After a "boot -flags 0,1" and a sysboot p1-min setting on one of theJ > cluster members, I noticed something peculiar after successfully loggingG > in.  A little warning message tells me that somebody forgot to buy anyF > OpenVMS cluster license...  A cursory check of all four workstationsI > shows just OpenVMS, VMS Additional User and Net-app-sup-200 are loaded.xH >   Well at least they DID join the cluster successfully as confirmed by > show cluster/continuous =) > B > I hope to have this completed soon, but I'm going to keep a safeG > distance when I tell the project leader that they need to spend a few 3 > thousand more $$$ to get what they were promised.  >  > Thanks again,t > Jeffrey Green  >  > Jeffrey Green wrote: > > Hello there, > >eE > > I'm clearing the cobwebs from my VMS cluster knowledge and have arL > > question I hope someone can help with.   Ages ago (Vax 4000 server, 3100L > >  workstations clustered) we had a requirement for couple of workstationsL > > that had to be standalone but tied to the cluster.  I.e. They don't bootA > > from the cluster and there is no boot root for them, yet theysL > > participate in the cluster and use the same authorize files.   Back whenK > > I was the admin for that system we had a DEC contractor come in and setn > > it up for us.c > >1E > > Needless to say that was almost 10 years ago and I can't find any-J > > documentation on how they did it, which brings me to my point.  I haveH > > group at my work that wants to stand up a very small (4 alphastationJ > > workstations will grow to 10) VMS OpenVMS Alpha cluster, but they wantB > > all the workstations to act the same as I previosly discussed.D > > Standalone with the OS and page/swap local but still tied to theK > > cluster.  I've been searching the Web and every VMS FAQ that I can findhL > > and I haven't seen anything that looks like the answer.  I've pleaded toI > > set it up booting off the server, something I still know fairly well,o# > > but the answer was a firm "no".m > >IK > > I know it can be done because that DEC contractor did it, although I do # > > realize that was VMS/Vax (5.2).C > > H > > Anyone have a reference or a link to a favorite page with an answer? > >hJ > > Thanks in advance, I'm really struggling with this one, and I'm off to) > > do some more search engine yahtzee =)e > >3 > > Jeffrey Greenp > > % Before you do anything drastic, check * SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL_LMFGROUPS.COM+ IIRC NAS-200 includes a VMSCLUSTER license.d   Mike -- nE ---------------------------------------------------------------------SE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.d? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*iF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------t -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------d   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 07:52:56 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) U Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster?_3 Message-ID: <fbfUl31nHTTX@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <3F5E7BAA.3010604@thisnewsgroup.com>, Jeffrey Green <pleasereply@thisnewsgroup.com> writes: > Hello there, > D > I'm clearing the cobwebs from my VMS cluster knowledge and have a K > question I hope someone can help with.   Ages ago (Vax 4000 server, 3100 n? >   workstations clustered) we had a requirement for couple of aH > workstations that had to be standalone but tied to the cluster.  I.e. K > They don't boot from the cluster and there is no boot root for them, yet iK > they participate in the cluster and use the same authorize files.   Back tK > when I was the admin for that system we had a DEC contractor come in and o > set it up for us.i  I    You confusing cluster membership with satellite nodes.  A satellite is-K    a cluster member that does not have it's own boot disk, often these are eJ    workstations.  Any VMS system  with enough disk space can be a cluster $    member without being a satellite.  H    Once you've got the systems booting from their own disks (sounds like5    you may have this already), just go ahead and use  H    sys$manager:cluster_config.com to add the nodes to the cluster.  I'veD    got three workstations in my cluster at home and none of them are4    satellites, although one was when I first got it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:08:53 GMTe( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive0 Message-ID: <Ft_7b.4451$iV.892@news.cpqcorp.net>  G Please send me email and I'll look into it.  -Mark . Schafer @ hp . com. >>http://www.testdrive.hp.com/   > Q > Signed up for TestDrive account and supplied username and password do not work!  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMZ
 >            d7 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" m >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 08:11:58 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e( Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive3 Message-ID: <andfO4R5D91f@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  ] In article <5JJ7b.4404$oq7.2457@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:F  1 > To get started, use your testdrive account for 1	 > OpenVMS5  H    Sounds great.  Do I get that testdrive account through DSPP, or what?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:47:19 GMTh( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive1 Message-ID: <XV%7b.4456$7Z.4363@news.cpqcorp.net>e   register at testdrive.hp.com   Bob Koehler wrote:_ > In article <5JJ7b.4404$oq7.2457@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:  >  > 1 >>To get started, use your testdrive account for T	 >>OpenVMSn >  > J >    Sounds great.  Do I get that testdrive account through DSPP, or what? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:21:37 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>m( Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive9 Message-ID: <bjq7ep$lrcri$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   . <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> schreef in bericht* news:00A25B40.074D8BD5@SendSpamHere.ORG...A > In article <5JJ7b.4404$oq7.2457@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schaferl <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:e > >http://www.testdrive.hp.com/- > >oI > >The HP Test Drive Program is pleased to offer an OpenVMS Itanium crossiC > >development environment. Two servers are used in this testdrive. J > >192.233.54.184 is a AlphaServer DS20 running OpenVMS V7.3-1 and has theH > >cross tools installed on it. 192.233.54.183 is an HP Integrity rx2600K > >running OpenVMS I64 V8.0. To get started, use your testdrive account for H > >OpenVMS to get the IPF$DOCS:README.TXT file from 192.233.54.184 using( > >ftp. Sign up and give it a try today! > >z >nK > Signed up for TestDrive account and supplied username and password do notm work!c > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >)6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > 4 In my case it took 10 minutes to enable the account. Gripe: no compilers....O   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:35:31 GMTY+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>4( Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive6 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0309110931040.18502@jaipur>  & On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Hans Vlems wrote:6 > In my case it took 10 minutes to enable the account. > Gripe: no compilers....d  I Yeah, it took a couple minutes for me to get going, but it worked for me.I  J I'm not sure what you mean by no compilers.  The e-mail clearly states you4 log onto 192.233.54.184 and compile your code there.  H The Test Drive cluster contains all of the other VMS test drive machinesJ as well... the Galaxy's and the E7.3-2 box.  You get all kinds of machines
 to play with.l   The IA64 tools available are:   B         Bliss-32        T1.00-038                      10-JUN-2003B         Bliss-64        T1.00-038                      10-JUN-2003B         XCC             X6.6-245-50D6A                 10-JUN-2003B         IMacro          T1.0-64-50D6A                  16-JUN-2003B         Message         T01-06 (X617-IXT-0000)         17-JUN-2003B         CDU             T01-16 (X617-IXT-0000)         17-JUN-2003B         ANALYZEOBJ      T01-26 (X617-IXT-0000)         17-JUN-2003B         IAS             v7.0U Version 7.00.3168        13-JUN-2003B         IDIS            v5.0U Version 1.00.2275        27-SEP-2002B         LINKer          T01-44 (X617-IXT-0000)         20-JUN-2003B         CrfShr          CRF A1.102-2 (X617-IXT-0000)   17-JUN-2003B         Librarian       T01-12 (X617-IXT-0000)         17-JUN-2003B         LbrShr          T01-12 (X617-IXT-0000)         17-JUN-2003B         CheckSum        T01-01 (X617-IXT-0000)         17-JUN-2003B         XF90 (Fortran)  T1.0-3397                      16-JUN-2003  >         LIB and STARLET are supplied from the X9UF result disk/         which was built on Friday, 20-JUN-2003.i     > 0 > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> schreef in bericht, > news:00A25B40.074D8BD5@SendSpamHere.ORG...C > > In article <5JJ7b.4404$oq7.2457@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schaferl > <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:m! > > >http://www.testdrive.hp.com/  > > >eK > > >The HP Test Drive Program is pleased to offer an OpenVMS Itanium cross E > > >development environment. Two servers are used in this testdrive.sL > > >192.233.54.184 is a AlphaServer DS20 running OpenVMS V7.3-1 and has theJ > > >cross tools installed on it. 192.233.54.183 is an HP Integrity rx2600M > > >running OpenVMS I64 V8.0. To get started, use your testdrive account forsJ > > >OpenVMS to get the IPF$DOCS:README.TXT file from 192.233.54.184 using* > > >ftp. Sign up and give it a try today! > > >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:40:47 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive0 Message-ID: <00A25BF2.C7374A86@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <Pine.LNX.4.56.0309110931040.18502@jaipur>, Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> writes:' >On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Hans Vlems wrote: 7 >> In my case it took 10 minutes to enable the account.  >> Gripe: no compilers.... >vJ >Yeah, it took a couple minutes for me to get going, but it worked for me.  F Mark Schafer handled it for me.  Apparently there already was a VAXMANE account and their scripts barfed.  He cleared that up and I've loggedn in.  o  K >I'm not sure what you mean by no compilers.  The e-mail clearly states youl5 >log onto 192.233.54.184 and compile your code there.   $ Right!  Compile/Link on the Alpha.    J 'Twould have been nice if the compilers had been ready for the test drive.   --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            d5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" -   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 12:23:44 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: OT: PBS3 Message-ID: <pseBz0r16tyV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <-i2dnXmsOYGMJ8KiXTWJiA@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes: 6 > "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message( > news:9SEP200322020301@gerg.tamu.edu...@ >> "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes... >>1 >> Which is a radio station. Thus, it is not PBS.  >>
 >> PBS is TV.u >> >> NPR is radio. >>L > I often make the same mistake.  It's understandable...the same Ministry of. > Truth supplies the content for both outlets. >    Jack Peacocko  > An understandable mistake since PBS and NPR are both under the; CPB (Corporation for Public Broadcasting) umbrella.  As form truth, whose truth?f   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 04:02:11 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Re: PWS 500 questioni= Message-ID: <d0141774.0309110302.21504d4a@posting.google.com>k  M healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<bjlgo52171m@enews2.newsguy.com>...c' > issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> wrote:eP > > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<bjj8c25lke@enews4.newsguy.com>...Q > > > Try moving your SCSI card to a different slot.  The slot I had mine plugged N > > > into slowly went bad.  Which unfortunatly probably means I need to start( > > > shopping for a replacement system. > > >  >  lH > > I tried this and it made no difference. I got the service guide from > I > Rat's, I figured I just got lucky.  Still I think i'm only delaying thea
 > inevitable.m > , > > Any ideas? What are the likely culprits? > H > How is the system situated for RAM?  If you've got multiple pairs, tryN > taking all except for one set out, and if it still doesn't work try swapping > that set.  > B > > Is there any way of plugging a VT into the system in case it's+ > > something to do with the graphics card?t > M > You can simply plug one into one of the serial ports.  To get to the SRM it N > doesn't matter which, for watching the actual boot up it does.  Based on theN > wierd LED pattern you get, I'd recommend getting a VT hooked up and removingL > all the cards from the system.  If it comes up, power down, put a card in,L > and repeat till you find the bad card.  Hopefully it's not your SCSI card. > J > Getting a VT hooked up can be tricky depending on the cables you have onM > hand.  I use a VT420 with an MMJ cable, a DB25-DB9 converter and either onejK > or two gender changers (I can't remember if it's 1 or 2).  It makes for aqL > big heavy weight hanging of the back of the system (I don't use a graphics- > card on it, and might have even pulled it).1 > 	 > 			Zanen   Success!E I pulled the SCSI and graphics card, then the MLB from the case. TooknF out the CMOS battery, checked voltage, it was OK. Reassembled and BANG up came the BIOS.m  > Neither the hard drive nor the tape drive on the SCSI bus wereF detected so I began to suspect the Qlogic card, however I pulled the 2E devices and attached a spare RZ24. It detected it immediately. Great.I  ; Tonight I'm swinging it over to the SRM and installing VMS.w  C Would I be right in saying that this memory would work correctly int the PWS?J http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/PartSpecs.asp?imodule=CT32M72S4R8E&cat=RAM  E As for a permanent hard drive replacement, are there any restrictionsn@ or will any ebay SCSI drive do (I believe the limit may be 4Gb?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:52:35 -0700c# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>f Subject: RE: PWS 500 questionh9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEEHHPAA.tom@kednos.com>s   >-----Original Message----- , >From: issinoho [mailto:issinoho@slayme.com]+ >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:02 AMt >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: PWS 500 question >r >e% >healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in messaget) >news:<bjlgo52171m@enews2.newsguy.com>...G( >> issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> wrote:) >> > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in messageo( >news:<bjj8c25lke@enews4.newsguy.com>...A >> > > Try moving your SCSI card to a different slot.  The slot I- >had mine pluggedwA >> > > into slowly went bad.  Which unfortunatly probably means I  >need to start) >> > > shopping for a replacement system.  >> > > >>I >> > I tried this and it made no difference. I got the service guide from- >>J >> Rat's, I figured I just got lucky.  Still I think i'm only delaying the >> inevitable. >>- >> > Any ideas? What are the likely culprits?M >>I >> How is the system situated for RAM?  If you've got multiple pairs, tryeB >> taking all except for one set out, and if it still doesn't work
 >try swappingn >> that set. >>C >> > Is there any way of plugging a VT into the system in case it'sn, >> > something to do with the graphics card? >>C >> You can simply plug one into one of the serial ports.  To get tou >the SRM ithA >> doesn't matter which, for watching the actual boot up it does.a
 >Based on thehB >> wierd LED pattern you get, I'd recommend getting a VT hooked up
 >and removing,B >> all the cards from the system.  If it comes up, power down, put >a card in,eB >> and repeat till you find the bad card.  Hopefully it's not your >SCSI card.o >>K >> Getting a VT hooked up can be tricky depending on the cables you have onsC >> hand.  I use a VT420 with an MMJ cable, a DB25-DB9 converter and  >either oneeL >> or two gender changers (I can't remember if it's 1 or 2).  It makes for aB >> big heavy weight hanging of the back of the system (I don't use >a graphicsI. >> card on it, and might have even pulled it). >>
 >> 			Zane > 	 >Success!eF >I pulled the SCSI and graphics card, then the MLB from the case. TookG >out the CMOS battery, checked voltage, it was OK. Reassembled and BANG  >up came the BIOS. >o? >Neither the hard drive nor the tape drive on the SCSI bus wereFG >detected so I began to suspect the Qlogic card, however I pulled the 2eF >devices and attached a spare RZ24. It detected it immediately. Great. >s< >Tonight I'm swinging it over to the SRM and installing VMS. >nD >Would I be right in saying that this memory would work correctly in	 >the PWS?pK >http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/PartSpecs.asp?imodule=CT32M72S4R8E&cat=RAM $ I think it should not be registered. >lF >As for a permanent hard drive replacement, are there any restrictionsA >or will any ebay SCSI drive do (I believe the limit may be 4Gb?) + No such limit, go ahead put 306GB in there!v >r >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.a; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).SA >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003  >v ---'& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:01:22 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) Subject: Re: PWS 500 question / Message-ID: <Cm_7b.316621$Oz4.106670@rwcrnsc54>   d In article <d0141774.0309110302.21504d4a@posting.google.com>, issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes: !snip!	 !Success!dF !I pulled the SCSI and graphics card, then the MLB from the case. TookG !out the CMOS battery, checked voltage, it was OK. Reassembled and BANGk !up came the BIOS. !-? !Neither the hard drive nor the tape drive on the SCSI bus were G !detected so I began to suspect the Qlogic card, however I pulled the 2AF !devices and attached a spare RZ24. It detected it immediately. Great. !c< !Tonight I'm swinging it over to the SRM and installing VMS. !oD !Would I be right in saying that this memory would work correctly in	 !the PWS?iK !http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/PartSpecs.asp?imodule=CT32M72S4R8E&cat=RAMT  L I use crucial in my PWS433au, and have never had a problem (over three yearsM now); however, I think you really want this part, instead: (warning - wrappedu URL!)a  @ http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProductline=/ Digital%2BPersonal+Workstation&mfr=Digital&cat=L. RAM&model=Personal+Workstation+500au&submit=Go   !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"yK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' 30                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 06:48:58 -0700. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb) Subject: Re: PWS 500 questionn< Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0309110548.929c1fe@posting.google.com>  - If you need pinout help on this, let me know.t  ( FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov   WWWebb  M healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<bjlgo52171m@enews2.newsguy.com>... ' > issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> wrote:nP > > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote in message news:<bjj8c25lke@enews4.newsguy.com>...Q > > > Try moving your SCSI card to a different slot.  The slot I had mine pluggedaN > > > into slowly went bad.  Which unfortunatly probably means I need to start( > > > shopping for a replacement system. > > >  >  0H > > I tried this and it made no difference. I got the service guide from > I > Rat's, I figured I just got lucky.  Still I think i'm only delaying the 
 > inevitable.o > , > > Any ideas? What are the likely culprits? > H > How is the system situated for RAM?  If you've got multiple pairs, tryN > taking all except for one set out, and if it still doesn't work try swapping > that set.  > B > > Is there any way of plugging a VT into the system in case it's+ > > something to do with the graphics card?t > M > You can simply plug one into one of the serial ports.  To get to the SRM it8N > doesn't matter which, for watching the actual boot up it does.  Based on theN > wierd LED pattern you get, I'd recommend getting a VT hooked up and removingL > all the cards from the system.  If it comes up, power down, put a card in,L > and repeat till you find the bad card.  Hopefully it's not your SCSI card. > J > Getting a VT hooked up can be tricky depending on the cables you have onM > hand.  I use a VT420 with an MMJ cable, a DB25-DB9 converter and either onerK > or two gender changers (I can't remember if it's 1 or 2).  It makes for aeL > big heavy weight hanging of the back of the system (I don't use a graphics- > card on it, and might have even pulled it).n > 	 > 			Zaneu   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:16:45 +0000 (UTC)d, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: PWS 500 questione. Message-ID: <bjq3kt$li4$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) writes in article <d0141774.0309110302.21504d4a@posting.google.com> dated 11 Sep 2003 04:02:11 -0700:F >As for a permanent hard drive replacement, are there any restrictionsA >or will any ebay SCSI drive do (I believe the limit may be 4Gb?)   H I recently stuck a pair of Seagate 68-pin 9.1GB drives in mine, and theyI work fine as the system disk shadow set.  AFAIK, there is no size limit. c9 Only DEC drives are "supported", but others usually work.r  D The PWS case can hold 5 drives -- 3 in the front bays up to 5" wide,K half-height (normally 1 is occupied by the CD-ROM), and 2 in the back bays, C but these can only be 3" wide and 1" high, like modern ATA disks.  m  I For bulk storage, ATA disks work too, but again they are unsupported, andtI also slow -- I get throughput somewhere around 2 MB/s.  I would never useF one as a system or paging disk.r  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgd> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:03:48 +01000. From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>* Subject: Re: RDB Interactive SQL questions* Message-ID: <3F608ED4.AA6FF979@oracle.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------E304C6D0999E858326599A20* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   H The best place to ask questions like this would be on JCC's mailing list$ for Rdb, see www.jcc.com to find it.  > Assuming that the values are unique and are to be displayed in- alphabetical order, something like this workse  ? select (select count(*) from employees e2 where e2.last_name <=c e1.last_name),1   last_name from employees e1 order by last_name;y  
 Peter Jacksoni Oracle Rdb Support   Peter Grevel wrote:   > > I think I tthink the layout of the mail is a litte cunfused. >t0 > The rownumber is not a attribute in the table. > So using the command( > select FLD1 from TABLE1, the result is >  > FLD1 > AA > BB > CC > EE	 > .......e >p7 > I want to publish it with an rownumber just like thist > 	 > 1    AA 	 > 2    BBr	 > 3    CCr	 > 4    EE5 > .....a >i( > Is this possible with using cursors ?> >  > Thanks in advancet >  > Peter Grevel  & --------------E304C6D0999E858326599A20- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;g  name="peter.jackson.vcf"n Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr+ Content-Description: Card for Peter Jacksonc  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="peter.jackson.vcf"r   begin:vcard  n:;Peter x-mozilla-html:FALSE
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 ' email;internet:peter.jackson@oracle.comr fn:Peter Jackson	 end:vcarde  ( --------------E304C6D0999E858326599A20--   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 02:11:48 -0700& From: theo.platt@ftid.com (Theo Platt)F Subject: Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem= Message-ID: <7c9ad507.0309110111.5ec7e6d4@posting.google.com>n  F Thanks Don - we do have a 1.3 version of Java on the same box but I do@ run the Java 1.4.1 setup file before starting. I'll double check- though - there may be some overlap somewhere.b   Theo  Y Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3F5F7F6B.B0F916B@pacbell.net>...eI > Are you sure you're running the correct Java setup file before starting0 > this?0@ > I've had similar problems when I had multiple versions of Java > installed. >  > -- - >  > Have VMS, Will TravelH > Wire paladin, San Francisco  >  > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom) >  > Theo Platt wrote:n > > 
 > > Hi there,e > > G > > We're having some runtime problems with java (1.4.1) linking to the  > > AWT graphics libraries._ > >  > > Here's the test code - > > ( > > import java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment; > >  > > public class awttest { > > 0 > >     public static void main(String[] args) { > > ( > >         System.out.println("Start"); > > 3 > >         System.out.println("Setting headless");M< > >         System.setProperty("java.awt.headless", "true"); > > ? > >         System.out.println("Getting graphics environment");w$ > >         GraphicsEnvironment ge =6 > > GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(); > > & > >         System.out.println("End");	 > >     }o > > }e > > $ > > and the results when we run it - > > 	 > > Start  > > Setting headless  > > Getting graphics environmentG > > %IMGACT-F-SYMVECMIS, shareable image's symbol vector table mismatch B > > -IMGACT-F-FIXUPERR, error when JAVA$FONTMANAGER_SHR referenced > > JAVA$MAWT_SHR C > > java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Last error code from dlsym was:e
 > > 273517796d@ > > %LIB-E-ACTIMAGE, error activating image JAVA$FONTMANAGER_SHR > > F > >         at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)H > >         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(ClassLoader.java:1504)G > >         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1400)s? > >         at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:788)k< > >         at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:832)S > >         at sun.security.action.LoadLibraryAction.run(LoadLibraryAction.java:50) I > >         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)nQ > >         at sun.awt.font.NativeFontWrapper.<clinit>(NativeFontWrapper.java:42)sW > >         at sun.java2d.SunGraphicsEnvironment$1.run(SunGraphicsEnvironment.java:109) I > >         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)tW > >         at sun.java2d.SunGraphicsEnvironment.<init>(SunGraphicsEnvironment.java:79) U > >         at sun.awt.X11GraphicsEnvironment.<init>(X11GraphicsEnvironment.java:154)cA > >         at java.lang.Class.native_newInstance0(Native Method)p: > >         at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Class.java:261)d > >         at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironment.java:62), > >         at awttest.main(awttest.java:13) > > 6 > > The same test code runs fine on Linux/Windows etc. > > " > > Any help would be appreciated. > > 
 > > Thanks > >  > > Theo   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 02:17:07 -0700& From: theo.platt@ftid.com (Theo Platt)F Subject: Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem= Message-ID: <7c9ad507.0309110117.4e4ce532@posting.google.com>i   > J > I get the same thing with VMS 7.3-1, Java 1.4.0.  Java shouldn't blow up > like that. > C > You do realize you can't display graphics when you're headless...n     Thanks Keith.   F That's the same setup as us. Do you have an earlier version of Java onD your system as well (we do) ? Someone has suggested there might be a problem there.  @ As for headless..... yep - we know. We're trying to produce someD jpeg/png files for later display on a website. Unfortunately all theB java graphics libraries make use of the AWT core java components -* there's no way around it as far as I know.   Theo   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:45:43 +0000 (UTC)a, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)F Subject: Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem. Message-ID: <bjq1qn$imm$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   theo.platt@ftid.com (Theo Platt) writes in article <7c9ad507.0309110117.4e4ce532@posting.google.com> dated 11 Sep 2003 02:17:07 -0700: >> aK >> I get the same thing with VMS 7.3-1, Java 1.4.0.  Java shouldn't blow up 
 >> like that.t >cG >That's the same setup as us. Do you have an earlier version of Java oneE >your system as well (we do) ? Someone has suggested there might be a  >problem there.   L Yes, we also have 1.3.1 installed.  It runs the test program fine.  And yes,K I do run the right setup scripts to switch between the two versions.  UntilbJ somebody reports they can run your test program on 1.4 without getting theF error, I would say this is a problem with the VMS distribution of JavaA (rather than 2 people making an identical mistake installing it).   F One non-standard aspect of our configuration is that we're still using Decwindows 1.2-5.  e  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:56:48 GMTt' From: zeeb@java.zko.dec.com (Jeff Zeeb)cF Subject: Re: Runtime linking of Java to AWT graphics libraries problem2 Message-ID: <Q208b.4459$oY7.2161@news.cpqcorp.net>  f In article <7c9ad507.0309100148.506f49ed@posting.google.com>, theo.platt@ftid.com (Theo Platt) writes: |>E |>We're having some runtime problems with java (1.4.1) linking to thee |>AWT graphics libraries.e |> |>...u |> |>Startw |>Setting headless |>Getting graphics environmentE |>%IMGACT-F-SYMVECMIS, shareable image's symbol vector table mismatchV@ |>-IMGACT-F-FIXUPERR, error when JAVA$FONTMANAGER_SHR referenced |>JAVA$MAWT_SHR A |>java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Last error code from dlsym was:  |>273517796 > |>%LIB-E-ACTIMAGE, error activating image JAVA$FONTMANAGER_SHR  D This problem was fixed a short time back, and the fix will be in the> next 1.4.1 kit.  The new kit is expected to be available soon.   --	 Jeff Zeeb- zeeb@zko.nospam.dec.com-  N "Daddy, my crayon doesn't work.  It needs a new battery" - Matthew (age 2 1/2)4 while trying to use a white crayon with white paper.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:12:27 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 5 Subject: Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security)-0 Message-ID: <bjphqj$bqe$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:sG >   As a comparsion to the five year old CERT reports cited, as well as J >   the the Bind 8 bug found in early TCP/IP Services V5.3 releases thoug= h-0 >   not in older releases nor in current ECOs... >=20H >   91 matches for Solaris among the CERT Advisories -- not VulerabilityF >   Notes, or other areas -- just advisories.   Twenty breaches in theG >   first page of the display, from the month of July 2003 -- the othert; >   five reports on the first page are newer than July. =20n >=20   I dont think you get it do you.   D Regardless of how many CERT advisories there are that effect Solaris? making a comparison between those and the ones that Compaq haver: fessed up to for OpenVMS is completely pointless because a@ significant proportion of the OpenVMS responses are demonstrably either:g  & Non existant when they should be there or	 Incorrectn  7 How many other CERTS was OpenVMS actually vunerable to.I< I don't know and neither do your customers and by definition; CERT is actually the last place where you are going to findT out.  A A lot of CERTS are actually reported by vendors Sun among them in ? order to alert customers to vunerabilites that exist and shouldo be patched for.r  : However Compaq/Digital never appeared to have followed the> strategy of reporting their vunerabilites for OpenVMS in patch reports.  J http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/vms712_dw_mot_mup-v0=
 100.README= Why for example is this vunerability not listed in a specifico0 DECwindows advisory reported to CERT by Compaq ?  > As I said earlier using CERT as a source of comfort for people= who think that OpenVMS is bullet proof is a BS excercise thatn$ is best left to the marketing folks.   Regardso Andrew Harrison 9 >   The next twenty five look to be heavily in July, too.h >=20* >   Bind bugs reported in CA-1999-14, too. >=20 >=20J > CERT Advisory CA-2001-15 Buffer Overflow In Sun Solaris in.lpd Print Da= emonJ > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-2001-15 Buffer Overflow In Sun Solaris in.lpd P=) rint Daemon ... Solaris 2.6 for SPARC ...hJ > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-15.html - 14.8KB - solaris: 21 	=   > 28 Jul 03w >=20J > CERT Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window Font Servi= ceJ > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window Fon=> t Service ... Sun Microsystems Solaris 2.5.1 (Sparc/Intel) ...J > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-34.html - 17.8KB - solaris: 21 	=   > 28 Jul 03D >=20? > CERT Advisory CA-1993-19 Solaris System Startup VulnerabilitytJ > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1993-19 Solaris System Startup Vulnerability ..=J =2E the system startup scripts on Solaris 2.x and Solaris x86 systems. Th= e changes described ... J > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1993-19.html - 10.8KB - solaris: 17 	=   > 02 Sep 03b >=203 > CERT Advisory CA-1995-09 Solaris ps Vulnerability J > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1995-09 Solaris ps Vulnerability ... A vulnerab=J ility exists in Solaris systems that allows a race condition to be exploi=C ted to gain root access. The essential problem is that the ps(1 ... J > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1995-09.html - 18.8KB - solaris: 17 	=   > 28 Jul 03l >=20 > Find SimilarE > CERT Advisory CA-1996-15 Vulnerability in Solaris 2.5 KCMS programsDJ > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1996-15 Vulnerability in Solaris 2.5 KCMS progr=J ams ... contact information has been replaced with CERT/CC contact inform=G ation. ... Note that this vulnerability also affects Solaris 2.5.1. ... J > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-15.html - 13.1KB - solaris: 17 	=   > 28 Jul 03o >=20J > http://www.cert.org/advisories/ CA-93.09a.SunOS.expreserve.vulnerabilit= yNJ > .. 1, 1993 REVISION NOTICE: SunOS/Solaris /usr/lib/expreserve Vulnerabi=J lity ... 4.1.2, 4.1.3, Solaris 2.0 (SunOS 5.0), Solaris 2.1 (SunOS 5.1 ..= =2EaJ > http://www.cert.org/advisories/ CA-93.09a.SunOS.expreserve.vulnerabilit= y - 4.8KB - solaris: 17 =09  > 16 Mar 01a >=20= > CERT Advisory CA-1996-16 Vulnerability in Solaris admintool J > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1996-16 Vulnerability in Solaris admintool ... =J has received a report of a vulnerability in the Sun Microsystems Solaris =J 2.x distribution involving the program admintool. This program is used ..= =2E$J > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-16.html - 13.7KB - solaris: 13 	=   > 28 Jul 03  >=208 > CERT Advisory CA-1996-17 Vulnerability in Solaris voldJ > .. known to be present in Solaris 2.4 and Solaris 2.5. Solaris distribu=J tions prior ... 2.4 and Solaris 2.5. Solaris distributions prior to Solar= is 2.4 are also expected ...J > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-17.html - 15.1KB - solaris: 13 	=   > 28 Jul 03n >=20. > CERT Advisory CA-2001-11 sadmind/IIS Worm...J >  ... Systems running unpatched versions of Solaris up to, and including=J , Solaris 7 ... worm exploits a vulnerability in Solaris systems and subs= equently installs software ...G > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-11.html - 16.6KB  - solaris: 9a >=20J > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------= ------J >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms= /faqJ >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------= -------cG >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:42:39 -0400'# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> 5 Subject: RE: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security)c: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDIEECDPAA.dallen@nist.gov>  J I don't think you get it Andrew. When you turn up evidence of numbers of =8 unreported/reported vulnerabilities affecting current orJ near-current TCP/IP products (or for that matter the entire OS/LP suite) =8 on par with the Solaris numbers Hoff cited someone mightJ listen. Otherwise you're just passing gas. Of course that's not an unusua= l condition for you.   Dan    > -----Original Message-----) > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyR0 > [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com], > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:12 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt7 > Subject: Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security). >/ >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:tI > >   As a comparsion to the five year old CERT reports cited, as well asmJ > >   the the Bind 8 bug found in early TCP/IP Services V5.3 releases tho= ugh 2 > >   not in older releases nor in current ECOs... > >sJ > >   91 matches for Solaris among the CERT Advisories -- not Vulerabilit= y-H > >   Notes, or other areas -- just advisories.   Twenty breaches in theI > >   first page of the display, from the month of July 2003 -- the othera9 > >   five reports on the first page are newer than July.p > >, >r! > I dont think you get it do you.t >FF > Regardless of how many CERT advisories there are that effect SolarisA > making a comparison between those and the ones that Compaq havea< > fessed up to for OpenVMS is completely pointless because aB > significant proportion of the OpenVMS responses are demonstrably	 > either:I >V( > Non existant when they should be there > or > Incorrectn >e9 > How many other CERTS was OpenVMS actually vunerable to.n> > I don't know and neither do your customers and by definition= > CERT is actually the last place where you are going to findr > out. >aC > A lot of CERTS are actually reported by vendors Sun among them ineA > order to alert customers to vunerabilites that exist and should- > be patched for.h >1< > However Compaq/Digital never appeared to have followed the@ > strategy of reporting their vunerabilites for OpenVMS in patch
 > reports. >@J > http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/vms712_dw_mot_mup-= v0100.README? > Why for example is this vunerability not listed in a specific22 > DECwindows advisory reported to CERT by Compaq ? >c@ > As I said earlier using CERT as a source of comfort for people? > who think that OpenVMS is bullet proof is a BS excercise that & > is best left to the marketing folks. >s	 > Regardst > Andrew Harrison2; > >   The next twenty five look to be heavily in July, too.s > > , > >   Bind bugs reported in CA-1999-14, too. > >n > >nJ > > CERT Advisory CA-2001-15 Buffer Overflow In Sun Solaris in.lpd Print = DaemonJ > > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-2001-15 Buffer Overflow In Sun Solaris in.lpd=+  Print Daemon ... Solaris 2.6 for SPARC ...aI > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-15.html - 14.8KB - solaris: 21a
 > > 28 Jul 03  > >cJ > > CERT Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window Font Ser= viceJ > > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window F=. ont Service ... Sun Microsystems Solaris 2.5.1 > (Sparc/Intel) ....I > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-34.html - 17.8KB - solaris: 21Y
 > > 28 Jul 03o > >mA > > CERT Advisory CA-1993-19 Solaris System Startup Vulnerability J > > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1993-19 Solaris System Startup Vulnerability =0 .. the system startup scripts on Solaris 2.x and0 > Solaris x86 systems. The changes described ...I > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1993-19.html - 10.8KB - solaris: 17o
 > > 02 Sep 03o > >e5 > > CERT Advisory CA-1995-09 Solaris ps VulnerabilitytJ > > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1995-09 Solaris ps Vulnerability ... A vulner=4 ability exists in Solaris systems that allows a raceJ > condition to be exploited to gain root access. The essential problem is=  that the ps(1 ...I > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1995-09.html - 18.8KB - solaris: 17 
 > > 28 Jul 03  > >- > > Find SimilarG > > CERT Advisory CA-1996-15 Vulnerability in Solaris 2.5 KCMS programs J > > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1996-15 Vulnerability in Solaris 2.5 KCMS pro=4 grams ... contact information has been replaced withJ > CERT/CC contact information. ... Note that this vulnerability also affe= cts Solaris 2.5.1. ...I > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-15.html - 13.1KB - solaris: 17 
 > > 28 Jul 030 > > J > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/ CA-93.09a.SunOS.expreserve.vulnerabil= ity J > > .. 1, 1993 REVISION NOTICE: SunOS/Solaris /usr/lib/expreserve Vulnera=1 bility ... 4.1.2, 4.1.3, Solaris 2.0 (SunOS 5.0),  > Solaris 2.1 (SunOS 5.1 ...J > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/ CA-93.09a.SunOS.expreserve.vulnerabil= ity - 4.8KB - solaris: 17 
 > > 16 Mar 01  > >-? > > CERT Advisory CA-1996-16 Vulnerability in Solaris admintool0J > > .. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1996-16 Vulnerability in Solaris admintool ..=0  has received a report of a vulnerability in theJ > Sun Microsystems Solaris 2.x distribution involving the program adminto= ol. This program is used ...I > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-16.html - 13.7KB - solaris: 135
 > > 28 Jul 03R > > : > > CERT Advisory CA-1996-17 Vulnerability in Solaris voldJ > > .. known to be present in Solaris 2.4 and Solaris 2.5. Solaris distri=. butions prior ... 2.4 and Solaris 2.5. Solaris: > distributions prior to Solaris 2.4 are also expected ...I > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-17.html - 15.1KB - solaris: 13s
 > > 28 Jul 03D > >u0 > > CERT Advisory CA-2001-11 sadmind/IIS Worm...J > >  ... Systems running unpatched versions of Solaris up to, and includi=2 ng, Solaris 7 ... worm exploits a vulnerability in8 > Solaris systems and subsequently installs software ...I > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-11.html - 16.6KB  - solaris: 9  > > J > > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ---------------------= --------J > >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openv= ms/faqJ > >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ------------------=	 ---------,I > >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comV > >w >e >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 05:41:14 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security) = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0309110441.25fe95b8@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjphqj$bqe$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > ! > I dont think you get it do you.9  < no, we get it ... you are a salesman for GARBAGE, and we run? on gold, and we will not trade in our gold for your garbage ...   = looks like slowaris is slowly approaching windoze in securityM after those July numbers ... :))   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:53:07 +0100'O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>r5 Subject: Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security)j0 Message-ID: <bjq5p4$imc$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Dan Allen wrote:J > I don't think you get it Andrew. When you turn up evidence of numbers o=: f unreported/reported vulnerabilities affecting current orJ > near-current TCP/IP products (or for that matter the entire OS/LP suite=: ) on par with the Solaris numbers Hoff cited someone mightJ > listen. Otherwise you're just passing gas. Of course that's not an unus= ual condition for you. >=20  B When you can demonstrate that Compaq are/have actually proactivelyG report(ed) vunerabilities to CERT and are/have also at the same time=20tB responding(ed) correctly ones unearthed by others parties then you might have a point.s  @ But you can't so you don't and gas really is a great description of what you are passing.  0 Just for laguhs how about another unCERTed hole.  > http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/html/SSRT0817.shtml  ) How about the POP hole, unCERTed etc etc.l     Regardso Andrew Harrisone > Danb >=20 >=20 >>-----Original Message-----) >>From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyl0 >>[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com], >>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:12 AM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com.7 >>Subject: Re: Solaris Security (was: OpenVMS Security)d >> >> >>Hoff Hoffman wrote:m >>H >>>  As a comparsion to the five year old CERT reports cited, as well asJ >>>  the the Bind 8 bug found in early TCP/IP Services V5.3 releases thou= gh1 >>>  not in older releases nor in current ECOs...' >>>yJ >>>  91 matches for Solaris among the CERT Advisories -- not Vulerability=  G >>>  Notes, or other areas -- just advisories.   Twenty breaches in therH >>>  first page of the display, from the month of July 2003 -- the other8 >>>  five reports on the first page are newer than July. >>>g >>! >>I dont think you get it do you.  >>F >>Regardless of how many CERT advisories there are that effect SolarisA >>making a comparison between those and the ones that Compaq havew< >>fessed up to for OpenVMS is completely pointless because aB >>significant proportion of the OpenVMS responses are demonstrably	 >>either:  >>( >>Non existant when they should be there >>or >>Incorrect  >>9 >>How many other CERTS was OpenVMS actually vunerable to. > >>I don't know and neither do your customers and by definition= >>CERT is actually the last place where you are going to find0 >>out. >>C >>A lot of CERTS are actually reported by vendors Sun among them insA >>order to alert customers to vunerabilites that exist and shoulde >>be patched for.  >>< >>However Compaq/Digital never appeared to have followed the@ >>strategy of reporting their vunerabilites for OpenVMS in patch
 >>reports. >>J >>http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/vms712_dw_mot_mup-= v0100.README? >>Why for example is this vunerability not listed in a specificd2 >>DECwindows advisory reported to CERT by Compaq ? >>@ >>As I said earlier using CERT as a source of comfort for people? >>who think that OpenVMS is bullet proof is a BS excercise thatI& >>is best left to the marketing folks. >>	 >>Regardsi >>Andrew Harrison  >>: >>>  The next twenty five look to be heavily in July, too. >>>?+ >>>  Bind bugs reported in CA-1999-14, too.s >>>d >>>TJ >>>CERT Advisory CA-2001-15 Buffer Overflow In Sun Solaris in.lpd Print D= aemonrJ >>>.. CERT =AE Advisory CA-2001-15 Buffer Overflow In Sun Solaris in.lpd =* Print Daemon ... Solaris 2.6 for SPARC ...H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-15.html - 14.8KB - solaris: 21 >>>28 Jul 03 >>>eJ >>>CERT Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window Font Serv= icenJ >>>.. CERT =AE Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window Fo=- nt Service ... Sun Microsystems Solaris 2.5.1@ >> >>(Sparc/Intel) ...e >>H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-34.html - 17.8KB - solaris: 21 >>>28 Jul 03 >>>s@ >>>CERT Advisory CA-1993-19 Solaris System Startup VulnerabilityJ >>>.. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1993-19 Solaris System Startup Vulnerability .=1 =2E the system startup scripts on Solaris 2.x andt >>0 >>Solaris x86 systems. The changes described ... >>H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1993-19.html - 10.8KB - solaris: 17 >>>02 Sep 03 >>>n4 >>>CERT Advisory CA-1995-09 Solaris ps VulnerabilityJ >>>.. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1995-09 Solaris ps Vulnerability ... A vulnera=3 bility exists in Solaris systems that allows a racei >>J >>condition to be exploited to gain root access. The essential problem is=  that the ps(1 ... >>H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1995-09.html - 18.8KB - solaris: 17 >>>28 Jul 03 >>>  >>>Find SimilaryF >>>CERT Advisory CA-1996-15 Vulnerability in Solaris 2.5 KCMS programsJ >>>.. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1996-15 Vulnerability in Solaris 2.5 KCMS prog=3 rams ... contact information has been replaced witho >>J >>CERT/CC contact information. ... Note that this vulnerability also affe= cts Solaris 2.5.1. ... >>H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-15.html - 13.1KB - solaris: 17 >>>28 Jul 03 >>>>J >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/ CA-93.09a.SunOS.expreserve.vulnerabili= tyJ >>>.. 1, 1993 REVISION NOTICE: SunOS/Solaris /usr/lib/expreserve Vulnerab=0 ility ... 4.1.2, 4.1.3, Solaris 2.0 (SunOS 5.0), >> >>Solaris 2.1 (SunOS 5.1 ... >>J >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/ CA-93.09a.SunOS.expreserve.vulnerabili= ty - 4.8KB - solaris: 17 >>>16 Mar 01 >>>m> >>>CERT Advisory CA-1996-16 Vulnerability in Solaris admintoolJ >>>.. CERT =AE Advisory CA-1996-16 Vulnerability in Solaris admintool ...=0  has received a report of a vulnerability in the >>J >>Sun Microsystems Solaris 2.x distribution involving the program adminto= ol. This program is used ... >>H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-16.html - 13.7KB - solaris: 13 >>>28 Jul 03 >>>o9 >>>CERT Advisory CA-1996-17 Vulnerability in Solaris voldnJ >>>.. known to be present in Solaris 2.4 and Solaris 2.5. Solaris distrib=- utions prior ... 2.4 and Solaris 2.5. Solaris. >>: >>distributions prior to Solaris 2.4 are also expected ... >>H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-17.html - 15.1KB - solaris: 13 >>>28 Jul 03 >>>// >>>CERT Advisory CA-2001-11 sadmind/IIS Worm...3J >>> ... Systems running unpatched versions of Solaris up to, and includin=1 g, Solaris 7 ... worm exploits a vulnerability int >>8 >>Solaris systems and subsequently installs software ... >>H >>>http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-11.html - 16.6KB  - solaris: 9 >>>iJ >>>---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------= -------SJ >>>    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvm= s/faqgJ >>> --------------------------- pure personal opinion -------------------= --------H >>>        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >>>- >> >> >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:56:50 +0100.( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. 9 Message-ID: <bjp9sj$ln8o2$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>4  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:XUiQVCU3BEqk@elias.decus.ch...eJ > In article <bjo2kv$kr94l$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:k > >l= > > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message + > > news:87ekyojypo.fsf@prep.synonet.com... / > >> "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:c > >>J > >> > If anyone who has any of those other browsers can bother to look at my > > site. > >> > with them, I would appreciate feedback. > >>E > >> Works fine with Opera 7.11 with js enabled. Why not use ordinaryiC > >> links? Touting the security of VMS then using Javascript seems/+ > >> somewhat contarian to say the least :)a > >>1 > > Why? MY JavaScript is not a security problem!d > >o >m* > Oh yes it is. The very fact that you say >rJ > "I (John Travell, john@jomatech.com) personally CERTIFY that there is NOJ > malicious code in this document or anywhere on this OpenVMS hosted site,+ > wholly and exclusively maintained by me."W >sJ > means that you acknowledge that other sites may have malicious code, and byK > persuading folks to switch it on, you leave them open to attack from sucho > sites. >y  G Malicious code in any language can only do its dirty deed if there is a $ security loophole that allows it to.D Question? Is there any way that JavaScript code can do anything to a properly secured VMS system?I Anyway, you only get to see that message if you have JavaScript disabled,s otherwise that block is hidden.1   >s >gG > > The page is substantially standards compliant, and unlike a massivei< > > proportion of the internet it does not demand the use of non-cross-platformJ > > plugins. It is fully operational on a browser (Mozilla) running on VMS andeI > > nearly every other computing environment available. I acknowledge they lack > > on VAX. H > > The overwhelming majority of users are running browsers that see the page inoE > > it's full glory, and most of the few that don't see an acceptable  > > alternative. >p4 > You idea of its full glory may not be everybody's.  , Granted, this world has many points of view.   > K > > I grant that I can do more to support the trivial minority of text-only A > > browser users, and may be able to also better support machine  readabilityeG > > for braille readers. I am now learning about those tiny minority ofl users,J > > and how they view the internet, and while I must aim to satify 100% ofC > > potential viewers, it is an impossible goal. I do not speak any  non-english G > > languages, and do not have the funds to pay people to translate the  contentlK > > for me, so already I have lost everyone who doesn't understand english.a >oF > Try www.apple.com. As I pointed out here recently, it is possible toK > navigate their site and determine product prices using Netscape 3.03 with  > Javascript and Java disabled.i > F > Now, please try viewing your site with Netscape 3.03 with Javascript: > enabled. Not exactly anybody's idea of its "full glory".  J When I can find a copy I will do. Part of the problem is the utter lack of stylesheet support in NS3.) I am sure I can work around this somehow.i   >sB > Given that until recently this was the only browser which workedK > satisfactorily under VMS, and still is for VAX users, please ask yourselfd! > which market you are targeting.- >-L > > A significant part of the problem is that many people used to seeing theL > > flashy stuff see good old fashioned basic html as intolerably boring andI > > promptly move on. Perhaps they associate the amount of time and money H > > spent^h^h^h^h^hwasted on the flashy crap as a measure of a companies  > > interest in their customers. >nK > But you are trying to force that flashy stuff onto those who have alreadyI6 > made the decision that they prefer to do without it. >s  L Please note that a part of my target market is people running windoze. AfterJ a few virus recovery visits I can suggest that there is a way to avoid all this expense. :-)o  L > > Note that MY site works better in Mozilla than does much of HP's site... > >"
 > So what? >i? > Another point to consider is that Mozilla uses so much memorysJ > that at work I run it from a server with 4 GB RAM, rather then my XP900.  L It does not seem to be using a truly excessive amount of memory on my 1000A,L I still have loads free, and while it does occasionally seem a bit slow I do" only have an ev5/333 cpu in there.   > Not everyone has that luxury.r  J True, some are still running on VAXes with only a few Mb of memory. BarelyH enough to run VMS on, let alone do anything useful. Hammers the swapfile) something chronic... (I have been there!)j     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - comi +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/         ---6& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 05:50:12 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.k3 Message-ID: <SSnSCTYcRNhc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   B In article <03091016581486@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:* > From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> > E >> > Works fine with Opera 7.11 with js enabled. Why not use ordinaryiC >> > links? Touting the security of VMS then using Javascript seems + >> > somewhat contarian to say the least :)  >> >0 >> Why? MY JavaScript is not a security problem! > E >    Please explain how I can set my browser to enable JavaScript fortE > trustworthy sites only.  If I have to switch it manually, it's more  > trouble than it's worth.  6 Please explain how I can determine a trustworthy site.  D The only cluster I really trust is my own, and that is because it isA connected to no outside network.  (Obviously the machine on whichc. I type this is not connected to that cluster.)   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 05:48:20 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)l! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.m3 Message-ID: <+anop$VpfTW9@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  d In article <bjo2kv$kr94l$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes: > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:87ekyojypo.fsf@prep.synonet.com... - >> "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:0 >>K >> > If anyone who has any of those other browsers can bother to look at myo > site, >> > with them, I would appreciate feedback. >>C >> Works fine with Opera 7.11 with js enabled. Why not use ordinaryeA >> links? Touting the security of VMS then using Javascript seemsr) >> somewhat contarian to say the least :)l >>/ > Why? MY JavaScript is not a security problem!   H But _you_ are not running that JavaScript.  You are asking others to run it on _their_ machines.o  G The big security problem with Java, JavaScript, ActiveX etc. is not thedF nature of the programming language but the notion of mobile code.  TheE alleged sandbox environments provided by browsers are _not_ adequate.s   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Sep 2003 05:54:24 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)j! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. 3 Message-ID: <cOmGVlAKTICl@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  d In article <bjp9sj$ln8o2$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:  I > Malicious code in any language can only do its dirty deed if there is aa& > security loophole that allows it to.F > Question? Is there any way that JavaScript code can do anything to a > properly secured VMS system?  H 30 months ago I went to a session where Netscape confessed about all theH security problems they had encountered with their browser.  I was hopingJ to learn something I could use to better secure my browser use.  I did notN because _every_ loophole in the one hour presentation was based on JavaScript.  < HTTP has a working security model, and JavaScript breaks it.  K > Anyway, you only get to see that message if you have JavaScript disabled,w! > otherwise that block is hidden.T  F So you are only warning the people who know better.  In the US I would# argue that constitutes malpractice.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:52:14 +0100a( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.j9 Message-ID: <bjpnlg$kn3di$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>u  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:cOmGVlAKTICl@eisner.encompasserve.org...cJ > In article <bjp9sj$ln8o2$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:r >lK > > Malicious code in any language can only do its dirty deed if there is aN( > > security loophole that allows it to.H > > Question? Is there any way that JavaScript code can do anything to a  > > properly secured VMS system?J > 30 months ago I went to a session where Netscape confessed about all theJ > security problems they had encountered with their browser.  I was hopingL > to learn something I could use to better secure my browser use.  I did notD > because _every_ loophole in the one hour presentation was based on JavaScript.g >a> > HTTP has a working security model, and JavaScript breaks it. >iC > > Anyway, you only get to see that message if you have JavaScript 	 disabled,a# > > otherwise that block is hidden.  >hH > So you are only warning the people who know better.  In the US I would% > argue that constitutes malpractice.   L I do not know US law, and since I am not in the US it does not concern me at
 this time.K Secondly, I am informing those who choose not to allow JavaScript that theypE manner they see the site is degraded from its intended functionality.nL Third, the vast majority of internet users would not disable JavaScript evenJ if you were to forcibly rub their noses into the security risks. They wantH the flashy do-dads to work. period. Most do not even undertand the basicJ concepts of computer security (if they did, they would not run any variant of Win9x!).   K BTW, I have now got rid of most of the JavaScript calls, the internal links & now all work with JavaScript disabled.   -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/           ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003c   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Sep 2003 12:29:36 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.w9 Message-ID: <bjpprf$lq8tq$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>l  9 In article <bjpnlg$kn3di$1@id-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>,s+ 	"John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:h > M > Secondly, I am informing those who choose not to allow JavaScript that theyeG > manner they see the site is degraded from its intended functionality.g  I Another example of the modern business concept.  It's akin to Radio ShackeI or Sears telling all it's customers that they have to walk on their handspG once they enter the store in order to shop there.  I am sure, like most F people (especially those here), that the answer will be no.  What everD happened to vendors bending over backwards to make things as easy asJ possible for potential customers rather than saying "I want your business, but I want it on my terms!"'  N > Third, the vast majority of internet users would not disable JavaScript evenL > if you were to forcibly rub their noses into the security risks. They wantJ > the flashy do-dads to work. period. Most do not even undertand the basicL > concepts of computer security (if they did, they would not run any variant
 > of Win9x!).p  F If you had actually been reading this group for any length of time you; would realize that for this community you are quite wrong!!f   bill   -- lJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:48:43 -0700_# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a! Subject: RE: VMS website updated.e9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEEHHPAA.tom@kednos.com>,  K Using Opera 7.11 scroll bars only appear on the last two, Contact and Legalt' the first three still appear truncated.t   >-----Original Message-----e. >From: John Travell [mailto:john@jomatech.com]+ >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:52 AMo >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" >Subject: Re: VMS website updated. >r >g > ; >"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message-. >news:cOmGVlAKTICl@eisner.encompasserve.org...K >> In article <bjp9sj$ln8o2$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell"n ><john@jomatech.com> writes: >>L >> > Malicious code in any language can only do its dirty deed if there is a) >> > security loophole that allows it to.oI >> > Question? Is there any way that JavaScript code can do anything to ab! >> > properly secured VMS system?5K >> 30 months ago I went to a session where Netscape confessed about all the0K >> security problems they had encountered with their browser.  I was hoping B >> to learn something I could use to better secure my browser use.
 >I did notE >> because _every_ loophole in the one hour presentation was based one >JavaScript. >>? >> HTTP has a working security model, and JavaScript breaks it.i >>D >> > Anyway, you only get to see that message if you have JavaScript
 >disabled,$ >> > otherwise that block is hidden. >>I >> So you are only warning the people who know better.  In the US I wouldu& >> argue that constitutes malpractice. > ? >I do not know US law, and since I am not in the US it does noto >concern me at >this time. L >Secondly, I am informing those who choose not to allow JavaScript that theyF >manner they see the site is degraded from its intended functionality.= >Third, the vast majority of internet users would not disablet >JavaScript evenK >if you were to forcibly rub their noses into the security risks. They wantiI >the flashy do-dads to work. period. Most do not even undertand the basicoK >concepts of computer security (if they did, they would not run any variantp >of Win9x!). > L >BTW, I have now got rid of most of the JavaScript calls, the internal links' >now all work with JavaScript disabled.i >y >--l
 >John Travelli# >Independent VMS crashdump analyst.   >john- at - jomatech - dot - com >+44-(0)23-92552229o >http://www.jomatech.com/  >  >n >h >O >V >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.b; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 >  >d >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).lA >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003o >n ---S& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:13:23 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.v2 Message-ID: <FEednYVYJvpr6f2iXTWJlg@metrocast.net>  9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messageK3 news:bjpprf$lq8tq$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de...s   ...1  K > > Third, the vast majority of internet users would not disable JavaScript  evenI > > if you were to forcibly rub their noses into the security risks. Theyi wantL > > the flashy do-dads to work. period. Most do not even undertand the basicF > > concepts of computer security (if they did, they would not run any variantT > > of Win9x!).- >SH > If you had actually been reading this group for any length of time you= > would realize that for this community you are quite wrong!!t  K That's certainly true, but if he gets most of his business from the WindowspE community rather than from the VMS community his attitude may be more0 understandable.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:13:37 +0100e( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.n9 Message-ID: <bjq767$m5eeq$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>m  9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message.3 news:bjpprf$lq8tq$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de...2; > In article <bjpnlg$kn3di$1@id-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>,-, > "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes: > >tJ > > Secondly, I am informing those who choose not to allow JavaScript that theyI > > manner they see the site is degraded from its intended functionality.. >4K > Another example of the modern business concept.  It's akin to Radio ShackpK > or Sears telling all it's customers that they have to walk on their handsKI > once they enter the store in order to shop there.  I am sure, like mostaH > people (especially those here), that the answer will be no.  What everF > happened to vendors bending over backwards to make things as easy asL > possible for potential customers rather than saying "I want your business, > but I want it on my terms!"= >2K > > Third, the vast majority of internet users would not disable JavaScript= evenI > > if you were to forcibly rub their noses into the security risks. They  wantL > > the flashy do-dads to work. period. Most do not even undertand the basicF > > concepts of computer security (if they did, they would not run any variants > > of Win9x!).  >pH > If you had actually been reading this group for any length of time you= > would realize that for this community you are quite wrong!!. > K I am well aware how this group are not representative of the vast marity ofoI internet users, but I had not fully appreciated just how much a few vocale5 members seem to have theirs heads buried in the sand.o. The world moves on, not one of us can stop it.K We seem to be the only people bitching about the lack of VMS advertising by=J HP, yet some of us seem to resist the notion that VMS absolutely MUST keep up with the times, or perish.-K This does NOT mean degrade the security or robustness of the 'one-true-OS', L but it most certainly DOES mean promote VMS to the heathens in a manner thatD they see as modern, up-to-date and attractive to their jaundiced and hyper-flashed minds.  G If I was NOT concerned with the opinions of this group I would not havesK bothered to put support for obsolete browsers into the page. Outside of VMSe- Netscape3 and older is considered a dinosoar.rH Just look at the stats on any volume website. over 90% of hits come from PC's, mostly running Billyware. H SAD, but most websites cannot be bothered to cater for the last few % at all.I I know my support for Ns3 and Lynx is currently lacking, and is less than I perfect for Ns4, but it is still better than most sites around. Mine will J get better over time. Users of modern browsers may not notice the changes,D but people using historical or text-only browsers will gradually see
 improvements..   -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - como +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/               ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:20:51 +0100o( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. 9 Message-ID: <bjq8at$lvj3e$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>e  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEEHHPAA.tom@kednos.com...yG > Using Opera 7.11 scroll bars only appear on the last two, Contact andS Legal ) > the first three still appear truncated.  >s Tom,  I Can you see what happens if you use either larger or smaller font sizes ? L It seems curious that page views truncate the text on shorter pages and only' provide scroll bars on the longer ones.eK Could you send me any screen capture images illustrating the truncation anda the scroll bar views.wI You will probably see things a bit differently, I have been messing abouts with the content layout again.     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - comr +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:15:35 -0700m+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.i' Message-ID: <3F60ADB7.5090506@MMaz.com>T   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  / >>Why? MY JavaScript is not a security problem!e >>     >> >nI >But _you_ are not running that JavaScript.  You are asking others to runh >it on _their_ machines. >aH >The big security problem with Java, JavaScript, ActiveX etc. is not theG >nature of the programming language but the notion of mobile code.  The F >alleged sandbox environments provided by browsers are _not_ adequate. >  = >aG To put JS into the same category as ActiveX and Java is wrong!  JS can iA only manipulate the DOM, nothing else so in in reality, the only wG security concern is someone snatching your cookies which would have to 01 be unencrypted content to be of any remote value.l  G In a VMS context, I view the capabilities of JS as nothing more than a  C scripting language like DCL where as both ActiveX and Java are the e? compiled language equivalents; For example, DCL can't do stack dE overflows, or Executive/Kernel calls, where as VMS compiled code can  I (presuming you have the privs).  You can't compromise a VMS system using CH DCL anymore than you can compromise a Windows system with JS!  There is F not one documented case of JS being the cause of a system compromise, A let alone to the extent of a virus, worm or trojan being planted..  H Folks on this list rant and rave about GUI related applications on VMS, E VMS LOST THAT WAR long ago!  Get over it and either stop bitching or aD acquire tools that can do the job that are not seven or eight years G old...  As for text only solutions like Lynx, well consider the target eG market of web sites; Lynx is so low on the noise level it doesn't even i7 rank!  Certainly not good stats for a business model...    Barry Treahy     --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        c   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.504 ************************