1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 14 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 510       Contents:# Re: Booting hobbyist CD on PWS433au  Re: Max Files Allowed & iSCSI  Re: Max Files Allowed & iSCSI  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: SCSI-disk replacment Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. VMS-Web-Daemon mailing list   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2003 03:49:36 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho), Subject: Re: Booting hobbyist CD on PWS433au= Message-ID: <d0141774.0309140249.261a894a@posting.google.com>   F Thanks for that. However it already is installed in the 3rd slot. Do I) have a faulty SCSI card? Any other ideas?    Many thanks.  i n8wxs@arrl.net (Jeff Campbell) wrote in message news:<1a40a0b2.0309131742.40e592d6@posting.google.com>... k > issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) wrote in message news:<d0141774.0309122359.5b99cf96@posting.google.com>... F > > Having finally got my PWS433au up and running, I've been trying to5 > > boot the Alpha hobbyist CD with thus far no luck. H > > I pulled the ATAPI CDROM from the box and installed an RRD42 which IJ > > know is OK as it's been doing its stuff happily in my VAXstation for aG > > while now. The SCSI card is a DEC (Qlogic) KZPBA-CX and the console  > > firmware is V7.2-1. J > > When I do a 'boot dka400' I get the usual 'jumping to bootstrap' stuffI > > then a bit of a delay, then the 'OpenVMS 7.2' banner appears, another  > > delay, then... > > . > > 'failed to send read to dka400.4.0.1010.0'. > > 'error loading IO_ROUTINES.EXE, status=54' > > I > > Anyone know what is going on? I've tried booting an old OSF CD and it I > > dies in a similar fashion. I've triple checked my SCSI connectors and ' > > terminations and it all looks good.  > >  > > Any help much appreciated. > C > Despite what the SRM console claims, your base machine is a 433a.  > K > If you actually have a -au you wouldn't need to remove the IDE CDROM. 8-) H > Your machine would have an embedded Qlogic SCSI interface, so you also > wouldn't need the KZPBA. 8-) > N > The KZPBA needs to be install in one of the 3 upper PCI slots, not in either@ > of the 2 lowest PCI slots. It needs to be behind a PCI bridge. >  > Check out: > R >  <http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations/retired/aseries/index.html> >  > Jeff Campbell  > n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:47:01 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>& Subject: Re: Max Files Allowed & iSCSI2 Message-ID: <bk1a4r$qrp$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Gary L. Ross wrote:  > Q1 > G > Is there a limit (size of disk and file aside) to the number of files C > allowed on a disk?  I'm putting several (1500 a day) unique files F > out on a 9GB drive and want to make sure I won't reach a file limit.< > In other words, can I put 50,000 files into one directory?  L The maximum number of files on a disk is determined when you initialize the > disk, but with a default init 50,000 files will be no problem.  N However putting 50,000 files into one directory is not such a very good idea. O There used to be a caching limit of 127 blocks for the size of a directory. If  N the directory grew bigger, it would not be cached anymore. Todays versions of K VMS no longer have that limit, but managing such a large directory is very  , inefficient and takes a lot of time for VMS.  Q It appears to me as if you want to save those 1500 files a day for one month. In  O that case it is better to make specific directories for each day of the month.  D You can use logicals to point your software to the directory to use.     >  > Q2 > B > Is there any support for VMS to attach to iSCSI storage?  We areE > running VMS 7.2-2 on an Alpha4100 currently to 4 HSZ80 controllers.    No, not to my knowledge.   > 	 > Thanks.  >  > Gary L. Ross  > rossgl_at_parknicollet_dot_com   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:57:04 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk& Subject: Re: Max Files Allowed & iSCSI) Message-ID: <bk234g$mnm$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <rpQ8b.4307$Ak6.3426@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:  > 8 >Gary L. Ross <rossgl@parknicollet.com> wrote in message3 >news:rja7mvo66fkj83l78lj5q2mvnbr03sltu2@4ax.com...  >> Q1  >>H >> Is there a limit (size of disk and file aside) to the number of filesD >> allowed on a disk?  I'm putting several (1500 a day) unique filesG >> out on a 9GB drive and want to make sure I won't reach a file limit. = >> In other words, can I put 50,000 files into one directory?  > + >This is set when you INITIALIZE the drive.  > L >Depending on the parameters that you init the drive with will determine theK >size of the INDEXF.SYS file.  you can easily initialize a volume to hold a ( >million files or more if you so choose. >   N For performance reasons it might make better sense to put things into multipleK sub-directories (one per day ?). The later versions of VMS are better than  M earlier versions but massive numbers of files in a single directory can lead  F to bad performance - especially when deleting them from the directory.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    ! >Look at HELP INIT for more info.  >  >> Q2  >>C >> Is there any support for VMS to attach to iSCSI storage?  We are F >> running VMS 7.2-2 on an Alpha4100 currently to 4 HSZ80 controllers. >>
 >> Thanks. >> >> Gary L. Ross ! >> rossgl_at_parknicollet_dot_com  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:59:43 GMT 4 From: Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca>$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates8 Message-ID: <2e48mvsvnhf6f77demj9977hu2de8eb6vl@4ax.com>  - On 28 Aug 2003 19:16:43 GMT in alt.sys.pdp11, - bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:   / >In article <3F314E27.3010108@flying-disk.com>, . >	Alan Frisbie <Abuse@Flying-Disk.com> writes: >>  B >> It is worst than that.   There are places in Altair BASIC whereC >> they saved space by jumping into the second byte of a three-byte B >> instruction!   Yes, it's true.   I'm not kidding.   In the late= >> 1970's, a group of us disassembled Altair BASIC (easy) and A >> proceeded to reverse-engineer and comment it (hard).   It took ? >> me a while to understand that section of code, after which I ! >> felt, shall we say, "unclean".  > B >It was more common than you might think.  Being an early discipleD >of Pascal I had been using Tiny Pascal on the TRS-80 Model I.  WhenD >the Model III came out and had disks and a serial port without thatA >hokey Expansion Interface I snapped one up.  Because it had more F >ROM than the Model I none of the old software would work.  I figured,B >"No problem, a little dis-assembly, fix up a few pointers and re-A >assemble for the higher start address."  Boy was I wrong.  There D >wre places where they jumped into the middle of the address portionB >of an instruction because the second byte just happened to be the@ >same as the opcode they needed to execute when entering at that@ >point.  Obviously, after relocation and re-assembly this was noA >longer the case.  Luckily a better (disk based) Pascal came out, @ >but I still spent a lot of time trying to get it to work on the? >Model III just for the fun of it.  I was never successful. :-(  >  >Now that was real computing.   ) You forgot the bad in the last sentence!    9 Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis 	Calgary, Alberta, Canada  --  F Brian.Inglis@CSi.com 	(Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca),     fake address		use address above to reply   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2003 13:06:18 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates9 Message-ID: <bk1p49$nm44u$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   8 In article <2e48mvsvnhf6f77demj9977hu2de8eb6vl@4ax.com>,7 	Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> writes: / > On 28 Aug 2003 19:16:43 GMT in alt.sys.pdp11, / > bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  > 0 >>In article <3F314E27.3010108@flying-disk.com>,/ >>	Alan Frisbie <Abuse@Flying-Disk.com> writes:  >>> C >>> It is worst than that.   There are places in Altair BASIC where D >>> they saved space by jumping into the second byte of a three-byteC >>> instruction!   Yes, it's true.   I'm not kidding.   In the late > >>> 1970's, a group of us disassembled Altair BASIC (easy) andB >>> proceeded to reverse-engineer and comment it (hard).   It took@ >>> me a while to understand that section of code, after which I" >>> felt, shall we say, "unclean". >>  C >>It was more common than you might think.  Being an early disciple E >>of Pascal I had been using Tiny Pascal on the TRS-80 Model I.  When E >>the Model III came out and had disks and a serial port without that B >>hokey Expansion Interface I snapped one up.  Because it had moreG >>ROM than the Model I none of the old software would work.  I figured, C >>"No problem, a little dis-assembly, fix up a few pointers and re- B >>assemble for the higher start address."  Boy was I wrong.  ThereE >>wre places where they jumped into the middle of the address portion C >>of an instruction because the second byte just happened to be the A >>same as the opcode they needed to execute when entering at that A >>point.  Obviously, after relocation and re-assembly this was no B >>longer the case.  Luckily a better (disk based) Pascal came out,A >>but I still spent a lot of time trying to get it to work on the @ >>Model III just for the fun of it.  I was never successful. :-( >> >>Now that was real computing. > + > You forgot the bad in the last sentence!    A While I was not refering to the actual practice but to the fun of ? dis-assembling, moving and re-assembling code I do have to come B to the defense of the original programmer.  It's easy to point outB how bad a programming practice tricks like this were when you haveE the luxury of virtually unlimited memory.  Things were not always so. F As an example, and to bring this back on topic for this newsgroup, :-)A my first exposure to the PDP-11 was being asked to write programs B in UCSD Pascal (and later, COBOL) for an LSI-11/02.  I got the jobC because the other more experienced programmers were used to working D on things like UNIVAC and Honeywell Mainframes and constantly argued> that there was no way you could write any useful program for aC machine with only 28K Words of memory.  Having much experience with C other Micros, some with as little as 4K, I was not nearly as jaded. $ You learned to make every bit count.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 08:46:50 -0500 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> ! Subject: Re: SCSI-disk replacment 8 Message-ID: <48s8mvcgu47q4100dqau7pagbu46107hou@4ax.com>  W The device characterics won't change until you do something to actually poll the drive. V Try initializing or mount/foreign the disk - then look at the show device/full output.   Clay  Q On 13 Sep 2003 12:21:57 GMT, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:    >Hi, > J >OpenVMS 7.3-1: I would like to replace a SCSI-disk that is currently in aH >storage works carrier. The carrier is in one of these "pizza boxes" andJ >connected to an Alphastation. I dismount the disk and remove the carrier.K >No problem so far. Now what about the new disk? The SCSI-bus is fast-wide. I >The new disk is LVD but has a jumper to set it to "single-ended". When I M >install the new disk a "SHOW DEVICE/FULL" still shows the old drive. I tried J >"MC SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE/SELECT=DKB*" but this didn't change anything.6 >Will a reboot help? Or is the disk just not suitable? > 	 >Regards,  >   Christoph Gartmann   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 03 10:09:45 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. ) Message-ID: <ODIaCSzgjvBN@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <3F62D7CA.4030308@tzora.co.il>, Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> writes:    <snip>  K >> The point when I decided to switch off Javascript came several years ago H >> when I was viewing this very user group using Netscape 3.03 on VMS. AR >> piece of HTML spam about cheap PCs appeared. When it ground my Alpha to a halt, >             ^^^^^^^^^^ > I remember that one... But: D > The same, or similar could have been done by malicious HTML, (see I > example code below) without Javascript - which is why you should *not*  K > enable HTML when reading email or newsgroups. A HTML file/page should be  ; > something you choose to see, and can avoid if you want to  >   E Good point, but in the context of reading a newsgroup I arrived there J by clicking on the Next button. I seem to remember that I hadn't even seen the subject line at that point.    6 > Again - you loaded the web page. If it had HTML with? > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="2;URL=http:nextdoc.html"> K > in the header, you could have been caught in a similar loop of reloading  ) > pages, without any need for Javascript.  >   
 OK. Got that.   K > In other words - once you *choose* to display a page, what the page does   > is your responsibility.  >  The Wild West Web :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 03 10:28:29 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. ) Message-ID: <uZ2X4vKBJ1WD@elias.decus.ch>   _ In article <SVWdnYiCaLqDL_6iXTWJjA@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  >  >> >>> >>   If you think you found a bug, it really only means you're >> incompetent;  > M > Wrong yet again.  What he said was that if you think you've found a bug you L > should report it, and then raised the *possibility* that some such beliefsL > might be incorrect.  My guess is that he had by then caught a strong whiff2 > of the reporter's bias and had had enough of it. >   I But there's a very real snag in there. I first started using Windows in a J serious fashion in1995, the year this article was written, and was somewhaO frustrated by the fact that the only way I could officially report a bug was by G calling MS with my credit card number handy and risking a charge of 180 K UKP. The deal was apparently that if I could prove it was a bug, no charge, K but they wouldn't even talk to me without that credit card number up front.   M No way was I risking that kind of expenditure. IIRC the USD was approximately  1.65 to the UKP at that time.    > M > Just to make it clear to those who didn't bother to follow Paul's link, all N > the above quoted words below the dashed line are the article's not his - andB > I hope he's a careful enough reader to have noted the fallacies.  ! Oh yes, the clue for me was this:     >> Slashdotters: yes, it's real.  0 I still found the article highly amusing though.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2003 09:37:20 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM>$ Subject: VMS-Web-Daemon mailing list- Message-ID: <86u17fgwcf.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>   < Please note the new URL for the vms-web-daemon mailing list:  5 http://lists.kjsl.com/mailman/listinfo/vms-web-daemon   D If you've submitted a request to subscribe in the last few weeks andD I have not acted upon, please send it again, and I will deal with it right away.    Best,    -jav   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.510 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                  Մ]\4]u,"ͺ
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