1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 16 Sep 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 514       Contents: " USP for OpenVMS "  Re: " USP for OpenVMS "  Re: " USP for OpenVMS " + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch + Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch ? Re: Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain  Corba on VMS 7.3-1 Re: Corba on VMS 7.3-1 Re: Corba on VMS 7.3-10 Re: First VMS IPF difference... not very nice...0 Re: First VMS IPF difference... not very nice...( FTP on AlphaServer running OpenVMS 7.2-1" Re: HELP: Using CLI with C program" Re: HELP: Using CLI with C program MAIL: personal name in TO: ? Memory for VS 4000-xx  Re: Memory for VS 4000-xx  Montagar website?  Re: Montagar website?  Re: Montagar website? % Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived K Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster L Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster?P Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? clu1 Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products  Re: OpenVMS Security# OT: HP hurting Toshiba in PC market ) OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers - Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers - Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers - Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers - Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers - Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers - Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers  padding a csv file Re: padding a csv file Re: padding a csv file Re: padding a csv file Re: padding a csv file6 Re: padding a csv file (for the purpose of Sorting it)3 Re: Porting from UNIX to OpenVMS for a real newbie. < Re: Strange DCL Problem:  DCL Can't Find My GOSUB Labels....# Re: THOSE ANNOYING POP UP MESSAGES.  Re: VMS and MP3s Re: VMS and MP3s Re: VMS and MP3s Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated. Re: VMS website updated.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:30:43 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: " USP for OpenVMS "@ Message-ID: <20030916133043.54749.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>  ? We need to generate some data under OVMS using the UTF-8 coding  for XML treatment.  8 Is the " USP for OpenVMS " the exact produt to do that ?  C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/usp/doc/develop.html   3 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/usp/   > This product is being discontinued by HP ! Another product can6 subsititute it?  From HP ? Attunity ? Other reseller ?   Regards    FC     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software  http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>  Subject: Re: " USP for OpenVMS "@ Message-ID: <20030916140141.32251.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  ! Reseding ! I received a reject !      A > We need to generate some data under OVMS using the UTF-8 coding  > for XML treatment. > : > Is the " USP for OpenVMS " the exact produt to do that ? > E > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/usp/doc/develop.html  > 5 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/usp/  > @ > This product is being discontinued by HP ! Another product can8 > subsititute it?  From HP ? Attunity ? Other reseller ? > 	 > Regards  >  > FC       =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software  http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:40:41 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: " USP for OpenVMS "+ Message-ID: <bk77db$rs8@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20030916133043.54749.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com...  A > We need to generate some data under OVMS using the UTF-8 coding  > for XML treatment.   Fine.   @ > This product is being discontinued by HP ! Another product can8 > subsititute it?  From HP ? Attunity ? Other reseller ?  = I don't understand. Why do you need to buy something in to do  a job as trivial as encoding?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 07:57:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch3 Message-ID: <8b8zJIx3oY2h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <cf15391e.0309151411.4f40b1f6@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:  > G > Carly didn't ignore VMS during the merger talks.  The clean-room team A > made the decision to keep VMS during the first week -- it was a G > no-brainer.  We even have evidence that word of this leaked out early H > (albeit to a group of Unix folks, not VMS folks, but then who'd expectD > pre-merger HP to know how to contact VMS folks anyhow, even if the > leak had been intentional?).  G    Fairly early in the merger process HP publcially said they couldn't  E    actually yet influence Compaq corporate decisions, but they liked  C    the decision to port VMS to IA64.  That's note quite the same as     ignoring it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:42:20 -0400 0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch$ Message-ID: <3f671340$1@news.si.com>  + >There is one thing that I do know 100% for H >certain on this deal....before my customer will sign for something like thisJ >they want Carly on their doorstep giving them assurances in writing, withJ >penalty clauses, that certain actions will be undertaken by HP in respect of2 >VMS, and one of those includes advertising VMS...  H You might as well kiss your deal goodbye right now, if this is what theyK expect.  I haven't heard of many CEOs who would gop along with this.  Would , Sun's CEO?  Would Oracle's CEO?  Fat chance. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 07:23:54 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch= Message-ID: <66a00d01.0309160623.22e6f182@posting.google.com>   u "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<WXr9b.469094$4UE.325375@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...  > [snip]   John,   > Please e-mail me privately. Use my e-mail address from earlierB messages, use dls in place of fsi and, of course, drop the obvious bit.  F I registered to post on Google as we're in process of moving right now< and I don't have my usual e-mail/posting capability at home.   Thanx    David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:53:30 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill LynchG Message-ID: <KtF9b.43529$DZ.28487@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Brian Tillman wrote:- >> There is one thing that I do know 100% for E >> certain on this deal....before my customer will sign for something E >> like this they want Carly on their doorstep giving them assurances A >> in writing, with penalty clauses, that certain actions will be @ >> undertaken by HP in respect of VMS, and one of those includes >> advertising VMS...  > E > You might as well kiss your deal goodbye right now, if this is what E > they expect.  I haven't heard of many CEOs who would gop along with ; > this.  Would Sun's CEO?  Would Oracle's CEO?  Fat chance.     J There have been deals I have been involved in where the winning vendor hasG placed a significant amount of advertising in play in the local markets % prior to, and after winning the deal.   H The customer is big and prominent enough that HP ought to do it. But theH customer also likes IBM too and would not have a hard time making an IBMG decision should they not get what they desire from HP (technical merits K aside). Knowing this customer as I do, this specific customer is not beyond K announcing their ultimate decision with a press release that not only would J say what they chose to use but also why they didn't choose HP..it might goJ something like this.....'we asked HP for x  and they could not give us anyK reasonably assurance nor rational reason....etc...therefore we were left to K conclude that HP is not commited...etc... and therefore we cannot trust our  business .....'   H Admittedly a lot of it is optics....but the customer does not want to beL left in an embarrasing position. Customer is saying that they are willing toJ spend the dough and asking HP to demonstrate commitment. No demonstration,L no dough. Simple. The rough analogy is a married couple.....one partner saysI they love the other but does only the 'expected' things in a half-hearted I way...a token birthday card, a token anniversary card, but nothing beyond K that. Yes that partner takes the garbage out and gets the car serviced, but : there's no enthusiasm for anything about the relationship.  J Tell me just how enthused HP is about VMS these days and its doing to makeH lots of people aware of what it can do for them and to bring lots of newB customers on-board, beyond preaching to the converted at HP World.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:40:23 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch8 Message-ID: <j58emvsp62nl269gs8al8gpa494l9jqt9v@4ax.com>  E On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:16:23 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 4 <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:   >Keith Parris wrote: >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bjni1b$ipu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>  ; >>>Losing market share in all their markets as HP have done  >>   >>  G >> Given that you recklessly used the word "all" in your hyperbole, all 6 >> it takes is one counter-example to prove you wrong: >>  H >> "IDC reports that HP increased its market leadership in notebooks and@ >> accounted for 17.3 percent of the unit market share in Q2. In> >> addition, HP increased its notebook unit sales 48.1 percentH >> year-over-year while its notebook unit growth more than doubled (22.4, >> percent) the overall market unit growth." >>  < >> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030902a.html >  > 5 >Ohh goody notebooks I guess the board can go back to 1 >the shareholders and say that it has in fact all 1 >turned out OK because although HP's market share 7 >in every other market has declined they have increased $ >their share of the notebook market. > $ >And do HP make money on notebooks ? >   H The real point is, of course, that your initial statement is wrong.  HisK counter-example proves that your argument lacks veracity of fact.  Thus, it I would not be mis-placed criticism to ask that you back up your statement,  or withdraw it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:45:37 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch2 Message-ID: <lmF9b.4814$Yc7.4325@news.cpqcorp.net>  ; "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> wrote in message  news:3f671340$1@news.si.com...- > >There is one thing that I do know 100% for J > >certain on this deal....before my customer will sign for something like > thisL > >they want Carly on their doorstep giving them assurances in writing, withL > >penalty clauses, that certain actions will be undertaken by HP in respect > of4 > >VMS, and one of those includes advertising VMS... > J > You might as well kiss your deal goodbye right now, if this is what theyF > expect.  I haven't heard of many CEOs who would gop along with this. Would . > Sun's CEO?  Would Oracle's CEO?  Fat chance. >   I I dunno.  I think that joint advertising isn't that unusual if there is a  solid business case.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:36:35 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: "HP breakup on the way" - Merrill Lynch) Message-ID: <3F673C13.35ED58E5@istop.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:H >    Fairly early in the merger process HP publcially said they couldn'tF >    actually yet influence Compaq corporate decisions, but they likedE >    the decision to port VMS to IA64.  That's note quite the same as  >    ignoring it.   L Interesting revisionist history. I distinctly recall HP specifically statingH that they would not talk about the future of specific products until theK merger was finalised, and that this was the excuse we (VMS fans) kept being N told whenever we asked about why VMS wasn't being mentioned publicly, while HPK and Compaq had already publicly talked about Tandem/NSK, Tru64, MPE, HP-UX, L PDAs, and even part of the future of Compaq branded wintel crap. VMS was theN only one NOT mentioned during those 9 months prior to May 7th, at which point,N the idiot Stallard released his memo stating that he expected VMS customers to. eventually migrate to HP-UX in their own time.  I Perhaps I live in a different dimension/world, but my recollection of the N events is totally different from yours. I don't work for Compaq/HP, so I don'tM have access to internal memos, nor does the average customer. And what counts J is what the customer hears/sees, not what employees get to see in internal, memos that cannot be divulged to the public.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 06:36:48 -0700O From: jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Marchal?=) H Subject: Re: Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain< Message-ID: <6bc20ab7.0309160536.2cfe68a@posting.google.com>  H Unfortunately, the corresponding registry key were already set to FALSE. The problem is still pending. F I've not found anything else on this kind of question on M$ Web sites.  l "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message news:<vld8b7nfk414e1@corp.supernews.com>...  C > RequireSignOrSeal probably needs to be disabled on the W2003 box.   	 (snipped)    > Hope this helps. >  > Brad McCusker  >  > OpenVMS Engineering  > K > "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message 9 > news:6bc20ab7.0308310744.7ff84bb5@posting.google.com... G > > I need to add a Windows Server 2003 box to my Advanced Server V7.3A 3 > > ECO1 (Pathworks) domain on a VMS 7.2-1 cluster.  > > J > > After giving the correct administrator's password, I get the message : > > H > >   the following error has occured attempting to join the domain "X":5 > >   a remote procedure call (RPC) protocol occurred  > > G > > I've already disabled "member of domain" encryption features in the - > > local security window of the W2003 system  > > NetBIOS over IP is enabled. 9 > > The Pathworks cluster alias is ok in the W2003 LMHOST  > >  > > Any idea ?   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 00:51:37 -0700) From: meidanze@hotmail.com (meidan zemer)  Subject: Corba on VMS 7.3-1 = Message-ID: <3bbfbaa2.0309152351.4816ef98@posting.google.com>    Hi, 0 Is there anyone working with Corba on VMS 7.3-1?9 If so, are there any common problems i should know about?  Thanks.  Meidan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:55:19 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Re: Corba on VMS 7.3-1 / Message-ID: <bk6j5n$mth$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    meidan zemer wrote:  > Hi, 2 > Is there anyone working with Corba on VMS 7.3-1?; > If so, are there any common problems i should know about? 	 > Thanks.  > Meidan  : Three years ago we used omniORB in our project on VMS. See  ' http://www.uk.research.att.com/omniORB/    For now omniORB is developed at    http://omniorb.sourceforge.net/    Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:59:38 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Re: Corba on VMS 7.3-1 / Message-ID: <bk6jdq$mth$2@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Robert Trawinski wrote:  > meidan zemer wrote:  >  >> Hi,3 >> Is there anyone working with Corba on VMS 7.3-1? < >> If so, are there any common problems i should know about?
 >> Thanks.	 >> Meidan  >  > < > Three years ago we used omniORB in our project on VMS. See > ) > http://www.uk.research.att.com/omniORB/  > ! > For now omniORB is developed at  > ! > http://omniorb.sourceforge.net/  >  > Robert >   G We used version 2.8.n (i don't remember exactly). For now our software   is working on VMS 7.3-1.   Robert   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:33:25 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>9 Subject: Re: First VMS IPF difference... not very nice... & Message-ID: <3F670315.D4124C99@hp.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > @ > [DELTA] Doesn't or didn't [require CMEXEC] prior to V7.3(-1?).  G I looked into it, and it turns out to be a DELTA regression introduced  D into Alpha V7.3-1 (and through common code, into Itanium 8.x). I've  notified the maintainers.   
   Joshua Cope $   OpenVMS Quality, Test & Validation   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:39:08 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: First VMS IPF difference... not very nice... 0 Message-ID: <00A25FBE.DA53DF70@SendSpamHere.ORG>  O In article <3F670315.D4124C99@hp.com>, Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com> writes: " >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>  A >> [DELTA] Doesn't or didn't [require CMEXEC] prior to V7.3(-1?).  > H >I looked into it, and it turns out to be a DELTA regression introduced E >into Alpha V7.3-1 (and through common code, into Itanium 8.x). I've   >notified the maintainers. >  >  Joshua Cope% >  OpenVMS Quality, Test & Validation    Thanks Joshua...  D I do most of my work and debugging work on a V7.1-2 (because displayD postscript was axed!).  I didn't know that there was this problem on V7.3-1 until you mentioned it.  F I do hope this gets remedied quickly and up on the Itanium test drive 
 machine soon.    --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:25:58 GMT  From: shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org 1 Subject: FTP on AlphaServer running OpenVMS 7.2-1 9 Message-ID: <pQG9b.703$Zr2.29217@iad-read.news.verio.net>   + I have an AlphaServer running OpenVMS 7.2-1   K I have created a new user on the server, but would like for him only to see K 1 particular directory.  Basically the user will only connect to the server  via ftp.  J Is there a way I can set permissions or something up in his login.com file9 to keep him from moving up a level from where I drop him.      Thanks,    Shawn Malone   shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 05:55:08 -0700- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) + Subject: Re: HELP: Using CLI with C program = Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0309160455.3fdeddc5@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<EomnyBjhQIrw@eisner.encompasserve.org>...n > In article <f401eb7f.0309150812.9b5d9c0@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes: > > char inputStr[MAX_INPUT];  >   # > > input.dsc$w_length = MAX_INPUT;  > J >    You did not define MAX_INPUT.  You're accidentally picking up a valueO >    (probably from decc$types.h) which is too big.  The documented maximum for  >    cli$dcl_parse is 256. > M >    You might be better off using set command to add efsmgr to your command  J >    table, then letting DCL parse it before it starts your main().  To doF >    this you'll need a copy of the CLD file with an IMAGE entry, then? >    set command using that CLD file, and enter the command as:  >  >       $ efsmgr start all  F Actually, since it compiled without errors, as I showed at the bottom,6 it is defined.  In fact, you will find it in limits.h.  8 Thanks for the suggestion.  I had considered that, usingE lib$get_foreign.  I would like to implement it as a subcommand prompt B like AUTHORIZE, if you can offer any suggestions that direction...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:17:17 +0200 < From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>+ Subject: Re: HELP: Using CLI with C program 8 Message-ID: <bk72gu$pqkr6$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Nom de Plume wrote:  > Bob Koehler wrote ...  >> Nom de Plume writes:  >>> char inputStr[MAX_INPUT];  >>  # >>> input.dsc$w_length = MAX_INPUT;  >>  E >>    You did not define MAX_INPUT.  You're accidentally picking up a ? >>    value (probably from decc$types.h) which is too big.  The 2 >>    documented maximum for cli$dcl_parse is 256. >>  E >>    You might be better off using set command to add efsmgr to your D >>    command table, then letting DCL parse it before it starts yourD >>    main().  To do this you'll need a copy of the CLD file with anF >>    IMAGE entry, then set command using that CLD file, and enter the >> command as:   >>   >>       $ efsmgr start all  > H > Actually, since it compiled without errors, as I showed at the bottom,8 > it is defined.  In fact, you will find it in limits.h. > : > Thanks for the suggestion.  I had considered that, usingG > lib$get_foreign.  I would like to implement it as a subcommand prompt D > like AUTHORIZE, if you can offer any suggestions that direction...  E It starts to work, once you set input.dsc$w_length to inputLen before C handing the descriptor to cli$dcl_parse, as suggested by Bagbourne.    cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:42:48 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: MAIL: personal name in TO: ? ) Message-ID: <3F66B0CD.777FFAF1@istop.com>   = On an SMTP mail client, one can enter an internet address as:   ! Chef Jacques <chef@chocolate.com>   9 is there a way to enter a similar address from vms mail ?   	 If I try  , TO: smtp%"Chef Jacques <chef@chocolate.com>"  G then the "Chef Jacques" seems to get removed and the received message's B headers only contain the actual email address (chef@chocolate.com)  M Is there another syntax one can use so that the VMS SMTP sender will preserve M the personal name for the RFC headers while using only the email for the SMTP  commands such as RCPT TO: ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:41:29 +0200 ! From: BAVAY Marc <mbavay@slb.com>  Subject: Memory for VS 4000-xx' Message-ID: <3F672F29.4B28AA4E@slb.com>   1 Il s'agit d'un message multivolet au format MIME. & --------------26E50ABA9611E440AF821E2A* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      hello   5 I am searching for 16Mo memory boards for VS 4000-90A > possible references could be KTV-4000-16, MS44-CA, 54-19103-??  M anybody know a place on the web, or a broker who sells used stuff like that ?  what could be the price ?   ' thank you very much for any information  marc& --------------26E50ABA9611E440AF821E2A- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="mbavay.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * Content-Description: Carte pour BAVAY Marc  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="mbavay.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Marc;BAVAY tel;work:+33 4 7641 6745 x-mozilla-html:FALSE: org:SchlumbergerSema;Grenoble Technology & Projects Center version:2.1  email;internet:mbavay@slb.com  note:0` adr;quoted-printable:;;36, Chemin du vieux ch=EAne,    BP 104=0D=0A38243  MEYLAN,   FRANCE  ;;;;
 fn:BAVAY Marc 	 end:vcard   ( --------------26E50ABA9611E440AF821E2A--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:55:42 +0200 & From: "Brokline" <brokline@wanadoo.fr>" Subject: Re: Memory for VS 4000-xx2 Message-ID: <bk7brq$m0i$2@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr>  B je suis le dernier digital broker en France je vais vous faire une proposition sur cette mmoire.   Salutations : Alain Hod / www.digital-equipment.com/ tel 01 72 74 00 13      > "BAVAY Marc" <mbavay@slb.com> a crit dans le message de news: 3F672F29.4B28AA4E@slb.com... >  > hello  > 7 > I am searching for 16Mo memory boards for VS 4000-90A @ > possible references could be KTV-4000-16, MS44-CA, 54-19103-?? > H > anybody know a place on the web, or a broker who sells used stuff like that ? > what could be the price ?  > ) > thank you very much for any information  > marc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:14:23 +0100 $ From: issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> Subject: Montagar website?3 Message-ID: <1063703678.29910.0@lotis.uk.clara.net>    Anyone know what's happening> / Have been unable to connect for a few days now.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:40:01 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) Subject: Re: Montagar website?= Message-ID: <RTA9b.270752$2x.74378@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   Z In article <1063703678.29910.0@lotis.uk.clara.net>, issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> writes: !Anyone know what's happening>0 !Have been unable to connect for a few days now. !   G If you are trying to connect for a hobbyist-related issue, try this URL  instead:   http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/   ! Same folks, just a new address...   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:21:07 +0100 $ From: issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> Subject: Re: Montagar website?3 Message-ID: <1063711284.32205.0@lotis.uk.clara.net>    Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:   \ > In article <1063703678.29910.0@lotis.uk.clara.net>, issinoho <issinoho@slayme.com> writes:  > !Anyone know what's happening>2 > !Have been unable to connect for a few days now. > !  > I > If you are trying to connect for a hobbyist-related issue, try this URL 
 > instead: > ! > http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/  > # > Same folks, just a new address...  > L > __________________________________________________________________________C > Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" M > bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  2 >                                          with @"  I Thanks Brad, that gets me further, although it still attempts to contact  < Montagar (still failing!) when I try and Register a license.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:04:04 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> . Subject: Re: New Itanium sales figures arrived0 Message-ID: <bk71od$q99$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Jack Peacock wrote: M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:bk4gjg$ssp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > ? >>But is isn't just yield that contributes to your CPU and then = >>systems cost, its also how integrated the chip is (SOC) and ' >>what its thermal characteristics are.  >> > N > Considering the sales figures I would hazard a guess that Itanium yields areG > largely irrelevant.  A week's worth of wafer starts covers the entire  > lifetime demand for the chip.  >    Jack Peacock  >  >   @ Funny but true. If you take the total number of Merceds sold and? then the total number of Mckinleys sold then you are looking at 8 less than a weeks work for a FAB at a half decent yield.  1 Puts the whole Itanium experiment in perspective.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:47:44 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> T Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster; Message-ID: <01L0Q7Y2MLKIAOQMVC@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > node A has a connection to ethernet, and a separate connection to someH > financial network. node B has a connection to ethernet, and a separateH > connection to some financial network (normally down, used as backup).  > B > Node A blows its connection to ethernet, but it maintains quorum& > (essentially shutting down node B).  > E > The logical thing to do is to boot node B into production to resume  > financial transactions.  > J > HOWEVER, during the time it takes to do this, Node A is still capable ofH > receiving financial transactions from its link that isn'ty affected by > ethernet.  > E > When node B goes into production, they realise that the link to the H > financial network is still active by node A, so they shut down node A,J > enabling node B to connect to financial network. But as a result, you'veF > had a gap where node A has processed transactions to its disks only.J > They realise that those transactions are not on B. And they realise thatH > sincthey will continue the day processing on B, B will have the latest > copy of the drives.  > F > So when A is fixed and is re-integrated into the cluster, B's drivesH > will be used as source, wiping out transactions that had been receivedH > between the time the ethernet card blew and the time A was shut down.   I OK, one can come up with some configuration which is badly designed, but  E anyone actually doing financial transactions (or anything else) with  2 such a non-robust configuration has my sympathy.     ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:42:16 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> U Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? ; Message-ID: <01L0Q5LYI8AQAMK0HT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > >> Problem is, if you take down some nodes, change stuff on the shadowK > >> set, then drop those nodes and reboot the ones that have been down you $ > >> end up with the old contents :( > ( > > Can you explain this in more detail? > C > OK, node A, B, C, D with disks a, b, c, d all shadowed to provide  > the cluster common files.  > F > Shut down A and B, a and b are removed from the shadow set. Now shutF > down C and D, and then reboot the cluster from A and B. a and b willE > re-form the shadow set and lose all updates between the 1st and 2nd G > shutdown. :( Adding C or D with their drive will result in c and/or d  > being subject to a full copy.   @ OK, possible.  However, this means that one shuts down the wholeF cluster.  One of the reasons to have a cluster is so that at least one; machine (better, without adjusting parameters, at least the G quorum-number of machines) is always up.  If for some reason a cluster  G reboot has to be done, one can make sure that the nodes come up in the   correct order.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:08:22 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? clu ) Message-ID: <3F66B6C9.C84A99A9@istop.com>    Phillip Helbig wrote: H > quorum-number of machines) is always up.  If for some reason a clusterH > reboot has to be done, one can make sure that the nodes come up in the > correct order.  
 Not quite.   Consider the following:   F node A has a connection to ethernet, and a separate connection to some financial network.F node B has a connection to ethernet, and a separate connection to some2 financial network (normally down, used as backup).  M Node A blows its connection to ethernet, but it maintains quorum (essentially6 shutting down node B).  [ The logical thing to do is to boot node B into production to resume financial transactions.M  H HOWEVER, during the time it takes to do this, Node A is still capable ofF receiving financial transactions from its link that isn'ty affected by
 ethernet.   M When node B goes into production, they realise that the link to the financialHL network is still active by node A, so they shut down node A, enabling node BM to connect to financial network. But as a result, you've had a gap where node G A has processed transactions to its disks only. They realise that thoseMK transactions are not on B. And they realise that sincthey will continue they@ day processing on B, B will have the latest copy of the drives.   L So when A is fixed and is re-integrated into the cluster, B's drives will beJ used as source, wiping out transactions that had been received between the9 time the ethernet card blew and the time A was shut down.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:09:45 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence for layered products8 Message-ID: <5c6emv47lvk3lremq87qju95rrr40d4ub8@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:51:26 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >> >You're kidding, right? >> > >> >  $ LICENSE DELETE * > M >This may be fine when you have ONLY hobbysist licences on your system and nooN >others licences. But if you have legitimate licences on the system, you don'tR >want to delete those too. So one must be selective in which licences one deletes.  9 Heck, the same is true of DELETE SYS$SYSTEM:*.*;*, right?eI The admin is expected to have some care in his/her work.  And the abilityaG to properly parse wildcards in a LICENSE DELETE command would be, well,dF VMS-like (e.g., including wild-card processing to allow LICENSE DELETE; *UCX*).  Even add a /LOG and /CONFIRM qualifier to be safe.a  B I would much prefer more consistency in all VMS command utilities.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:17:49 +0100.O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>- Subject: Re: OpenVMS Security-0 Message-ID: <bk6o0m$mus$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <bk4rhg$3j0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > ; >>What should however be entirely obvious to you and anyone 9 >>with sense is that CERT is not the place to go tallyingt8 >>up OE tables of vunerabilites if OpenVMS is one of the5 >>OE's in question. It would be an entirely dishonest7 >>excercise. >  > 1 >    So what alternative do you want to point to?b >   3 OpenVMS vunerabilites are "reported" in a number ofn3 places CERT sometimes, HP security updates, OpenVMS 5 patch reports, BugTraq reports. There is no one placep; and often advice differs on the same vunerability dependinga on where you look.  ! So you come up with a suggestion._  = I have never suggested that this kind of excercise is usefulls7 in the first place though obviously having some sort ofh  definitive source would be good.   Regardsa Andrew Harrison0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:55:15 -0400u* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: OT: HP hurting Toshiba in PC market) Message-ID: <3F66A5AB.586C0BF7@istop.com>   G BBC world business is running a story from Singapore about bad news for L Toshiba whose PC business is hurting. Competition from HP is cited as one of' the main causes for Toshiba's bad news.n  N Interesting that in some geographies, HP is seen as the victim of competition,C while in others, it is seen as the one inflicting pain onto others.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:54:53 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>=2 Subject: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers; Message-ID: <01L0Q63T2PG0AOQMVC@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>=  I > Essentially, Verisign, the operator of the root servers, has decided to!J > stop returning "not found" replies and instead will respond with its ownH > IP address whenever a request for a non existent domain name is made.  > c > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/0034210&mode=nocomment&tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99  > H > The address that is returned is: 64.94.110.11  which ponts to some webG > site that has some advertising. As a result, if you ever type a wrongo8 > host name, your browser will display a verisign site.  > G > Another potential impact is when you attempt to resolve a domain nameiF > for spam verification, you will have a hard time knowing if the site > actually exists or not.   E As someone else pointed out, the above behaviour is now in effect fort@ net but not .com, as I just checked via HTTP.  What happens with0 TELNET, SMTP etc (which I can't test right now)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 03:38:40 -0400-* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers( Message-ID: <3F66BDE1.EC1907D@istop.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:tG > As someone else pointed out, the above behaviour is now in effect for.B > net but not .com, as I just checked via HTTP.  What happens with2 > TELNET, SMTP etc (which I can't test right now)?  N SMTP: they have a fake SMTP server that does respond. But any RCPT TO: resultsJ in a 550 message "host not found". There is no telling if they harvest allK those emails especially the MAIL FROM: etc that is issued before you get toa	 RCPT TO:.m  E There doesn't seem to be a fake telnet server, nor a fake FTP server.c  N So if you try ftp ftp.kjhfwjd.net , instead of getting a "host not found", you" get a "host not responding" error.  I Oh, and beware: because Verisign responds with "valid" DNS records with a0H lifetime of 15 minutes, it means that a hacker could start to generate aK zillion DNS requests for invalid hosts, and his ISP's DNS server would then.M start to cache all those responses, possibly crashing when the cache outgrowsb
 its capacity.e   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2003 12:51:43 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>6 Subject: Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers0 Message-ID: <slrnbme1qv.8u.thierry@VENUS.Family>  8 In article <3F66BDE1.EC1907D@istop.com>, JF Mezei wrote: > Phillip Helbig wrote:wH >> As someone else pointed out, the above behaviour is now in effect forC >> net but not .com, as I just checked via HTTP.  What happens witha3 >> TELNET, SMTP etc (which I can't test right now)?e > H > SMTP: they have a fake SMTP server that does respond. But any RCPT TO:H > results in a 550 message "host not found". There is no telling if theyG > harvest all those emails especially the MAIL FROM: etc that is issuedm > before you get to RCPT TO:.-  G Same here, although http://www.haque.net/verisign_dns_rant.php suggestsi) an other response. -- did they change it?    ThierryM   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:36:04 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>s6 Subject: Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers' Message-ID: <3F671FD4.6000500@MMaz.com>    JF Mezei wrote:p  M >Essentially, Verisign, the operator of the root servers, has decided to stopnO >returning "not found" replies and instead will respond with its own IP addressn; >whenever a request for a non existent domain name is made.l >s >  c >ba >>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/0034210&mode=nocomment&tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99  >>     >> >eL >The address that is returned is: 64.94.110.11  which ponts to some web siteL >that has some advertising. As a result, if you ever type a wrong host name,+ >your browser will display a verisign site.a >rO >Another potential impact is when you attempt to resolve a domain name for spambT >verification, you will have a hard time knowing if the site actually exists or not. >pN >Personally, I have verified that this happens with .net tlds, but .coms stillO >result in "site not found". (perhaps my ISP has decided to muck about with its>, >infrastructure to hide the verisign abuse.) >s) >Somehow, I suspect this won't last long.a >  >  y >pG You are correct, I had mistyped my domain this morning and was puzzled uB by this behaviour.  After reading your post, I tried a bogus URL, E www.asdadasd.com, and it in fact redirected to this ad-site.  I, for sG one, will create a bogus DNS entry for sitefinder.verisign.com to stop   this without our networks.   Regards,   Barryi     -- m  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        o   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2003 11:29:28 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 6 Subject: Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers0 Message-ID: <bk6s6o$eth$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  V In article <3F667C2D.D0649ACB@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:M >Essentially, Verisign, the operator of the root servers, has decided to stopcO >returning "not found" replies and instead will respond with its own IP addresst; >whenever a request for a non existent domain name is made.n >bb >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/0034210&mode=nocomment&tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99 >tL >The address that is returned is: 64.94.110.11  which ponts to some web siteL >that has some advertising. As a result, if you ever type a wrong host name,+ >your browser will display a verisign site.e >iO >Another potential impact is when you attempt to resolve a domain name for spamrT >verification, you will have a hard time knowing if the site actually exists or not. >gN >Personally, I have verified that this happens with .net tlds, but .coms stillO >result in "site not found". (perhaps my ISP has decided to muck about with itsi, >infrastructure to hide the verisign abuse.) >i) >Somehow, I suspect this won't last long.-  L Discovered just the same. The blacklist ztl.dorkslyers.com still resolves toN the address above. Ok, the blacklist as such is gone, but verisign's behaviour caused us a hard time...   Regards,    Christoph GartmannF   -- SE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452p  ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.den  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany.9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmli   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:48:49 -0400a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers) Message-ID: <3F673EF0.8ADA4DFB@istop.com>e   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  F > www.asdadasd.com, and it in fact redirected to this ad-site.  I, forH > one, will create a bogus DNS entry for sitefinder.verisign.com to stop > this without our networks.  M This won't work properly. When you ask for www.blablabla.com or .net, you getnN a succesful DNS query with the ip address of 64.94.110.11. You host then triesK to connect to that IP address. You'd have to block that specific IP addresss from your routers.  M Furthermore, if you use your own DNS to have sitefinder.verisign.com to pointK= to something non-existent, then your browser will act fully: s  L the connection to www.blablabla.net will work and the returned HTTP responseF tells you to redirect to another site (the sityefineder site with someN arguments denoting the original web site and perhaps personal information theyN retrieved from cookies etc). But at that point, your own DNS will respond withG a bogus IP address which will fail. But by that time, the URL line will-? contain the verisign url, instead of the one you had mistyped. l  L As a result, you cannot just go back and correct a typo in the url, you have to retype it completely.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:04:12 GMTs< From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>6 Subject: Re: OT: Verisign messes with DSN root servers0 Message-ID: <goH9b.4847$2r7.98@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote:iI > added information: seems that Verisign have temporarily restorer properwP > behaviour for the .com tld, but .net still has a wildcard response pointing to > verisign's own IP address.   <snip>  O > Consider the whole RBL issue. RBL have become moot since any and all .com andn/ > .net domain names now translate to something.a  A The RBLs seem to be unaffected.  The one below has a simple test  6 address.  (Use spamcop.net as an RBL at your own risk)  * $ tcpip show host 1.0.0.127.bl.spamcop.net( %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found -RMS-E-RNF, record not found* $ tcpip show host 2.0.0.127.bl.spamcop.net         BIND databasem  ! Server:   16.30.0.20       zkons1k   Host address    Host nameh  ( 127.0.0.2       2.0.0.127.BL.SPAMCOP.NET    F If you are getting a bad response from an RBL, it probably means that 4 there was a typo, or something specific to that RBL.  G The only thing in a spam filter that this should affect is if you were 6I deleteing e-mails that referenced non-existant domains in their content, iC and that means that you were throwing out mail when someone made a   typographical error.   -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpg Personal Opinion Onlyh   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 02:18:43 -07003 From: pa@it.singer-friedlander.com (Piyush Avichal)l Subject: padding a csv filep= Message-ID: <eb55ac2a.0309160118.37c83817@posting.google.com>    Hello,  I I have a csv file with variable length fields. I would like to be able tonH sort this file, but the vms sort function can not handle variable lengthK fields. Does anyone know how I could pad the fields to make it looked fixedm. length and thus making it easy to sort in vms.   Many Thanksr   Piyush   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:44:07 +0100u* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: padding a csv filer' Message-ID: <bk6lu1$m97$1@lore.csc.com>t   Piyush Avichal wrote:h  K > I have a csv file with variable length fields. I would like to be able tolJ > sort this file, but the vms sort function can not handle variable lengthM > fields. Does anyone know how I could pad the fields to make it looked fixedo0 > length and thus making it easy to sort in vms.   What generates the CSV file?  F If it is a VMS system, then take a look at the F$FAO lexical function.  D If it is not a VMS system, then still look at the F$FAO lexical, but= you'll need to write yourself a preprocessor using F$ELEMENT.    F$FAO works like this:  $ F$FAO ( formatting-argument , data )  F The formatting argument acts as a list. It is a string. Data goes intoD the formatting argument, and you can have up to 15 elements per FAO.   e.g. try  $ $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$FAO("!10ZL",25)  A Puts out the number 25 zero filled in a field 10 characters wide.M   For a CSV, try  / $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$FAO("!10ZL,!10ZL",345,678)c  F Note that the formatting string is case sensitive ! Note also that the/ comma you see comes from the formatting string.   ! All the above without warranty...7   -- u? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:53:45 +0200X< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> Subject: Re: padding a csv filem8 Message-ID: <bk6q3q$q23ea$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Piyush Avichal wrote:sC > I have a csv file with variable length fields. I would like to belB > able to sort this file, but the vms sort function can not handleE > variable length fields. Does anyone know how I could pad the fieldshH > to make it looked fixed length and thus making it easy to sort in vms.  @ Perhaps an alternate path would be accetable: in perl, using theG Text::CSV module (or the Text::CSV_XS variant for performance reasons -s0 needs a C compiler), this would be a no-brainer.   cu,-   Martin -- -F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deMF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 08:05:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n Subject: Re: padding a csv file/3 Message-ID: <M21ImmyQ4Vs7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <eb55ac2a.0309160118.37c83817@posting.google.com>, pa@it.singer-friedlander.com (Piyush Avichal) writes:0 > Hello, > K > I have a csv file with variable length fields. I would like to be able toCJ > sort this file, but the vms sort function can not handle variable lengthM > fields. Does anyone know how I could pad the fields to make it looked fixedr0 > length and thus making it easy to sort in vms.      Programming 101.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:28:21 GMTu# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e Subject: Re: padding a csv filetF Message-ID: <96F9b.43353$DZ.6176@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Piyush Avichal wrote:  > Hello, > C > I have a csv file with variable length fields. I would like to betB > able to sort this file, but the vms sort function can not handleE > variable length fields. Does anyone know how I could pad the fieldssH > to make it looked fixed length and thus making it easy to sort in vms.  J If you have a ton of data use the C library function strtok() and tokenize= on the comma. Then write out the data in fixed length fields.7  A Another way which may be QND (quick and dirty) enough is to use ao' spreadsheet program like Excel on a PC.r  J 'Open' the file using the File->open comand. Excel will recognize that theI file is a non-native format and offer to parse the columns for you and it-L gives you a choice of tokens (space, quotes, commas, tabs). Step through theI 'wizard' and you windup with a valid speadsheet. Adjust the column widthsDK and then save the file as a DOS .txt file. Use that file on the VMS system.m   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 04:31:08 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)[? Subject: Re: padding a csv file (for the purpose of Sorting it)i3 Message-ID: <YvXAv+Z5eg3r@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  s In article <eb55ac2a.0309160118.37c83817@posting.google.com>, pa@it.singer-friedlander.com (Piyush Avichal) writes:O  K > I have a csv file with variable length fields. I would like to be able toaJ > sort this file, but the vms sort function can not handle variable lengthM > fields. Does anyone know how I could pad the fields to make it looked fixedo0 > length and thus making it easy to sort in vms.  ) Have you considered using Callable Sort ?n  > As I recall it allows you to provide your own Compare routine.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:09:26 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>< Subject: Re: Porting from UNIX to OpenVMS for a real newbie.2 Message-ID: <aYD9b.4809$f77.4482@news.cpqcorp.net>  G I'm pretty sure that GNV is installed on the "OpenVMS Java testdrive", aD 192.233.54.180.  Not all tools are installed on all systems.  I use E separate system disks for flexibility, the downside being extra work  G maintaining them.  If you see a tool that need updating, or have other e< suggestions, please send them to me or to testdrive@hp.com .   Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:29:03 +0200h$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>E Subject: Re: Strange DCL Problem:  DCL Can't Find My GOSUB Labels....09 Message-ID: <bk6r8l$pcr1t$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>R  ' On 2003-09-16 07:09, "Guy Peleg" wrote:-  J > It is possible that DCL won't recognize a label although it is there andI > it is legal. It will take about an hour trying to explain why, but  tryr
 > looking foroI > a gosub statement which is jumping to a very remote label. Let's assumee;                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[ > thatH > the first line of a command file is GOSUB LABEL and the label LABEL is	 > definedUK > after 2000 lines. While DCL is scanning the procedure for the label LABEL  > it will defineJ > any label it encountered in the way. Some labels might be defined in the > wrong resultinggK > in the USGOSUB error. If you have a valid support contract you may file ar > call withiI > your local support center and have the call escalated to engineering. Iw > will provide you with ) > a new DCL.EXE that might behave better.n  F Is that true only for "GOSUB label" or for "CALL subroutine" too? YourK explanation seems to imply it is independent of how the "big jump" is done.,   Michaeli   -- n; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.a@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.a= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)1   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 07:52:51 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a, Subject: Re: THOSE ANNOYING POP UP MESSAGES.3 Message-ID: <IRbfc0igIgfm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <WGu9b.1294$065.897476@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:  > J S Smith wrote:O >> Go to htt://grc.com/stm/ShootTheMessenger.exe and download it. This program, N >> which is free, will make the appropriate changes to Microsoft Messenger for >> you > I > Microsoft has stated that their systems require a firewall between themy > and the public internet.  E    FYI:  Microsoft uses Linux.  They have stated that they appreciate 1    their customers desire for multiple platforms.M   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 07:33:09 -0700- From: djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera)  Subject: Re: VMS and MP3sm< Message-ID: <66a00d01.0309160633.e4f8a01@posting.google.com>  t pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) wrote in message news:<Czm8H9nux8$E@sinead>...6 > In article <wf5yHbu5AkrR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 8 > kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes: > [...] 8 > > Did you rip your CD's on the VMS box?  If so, how?   > O > I don't know if CD rippers works on VMS, but once you have WAV files, you cangO > compress them with lame on VMS (I'll need to post a more recent version than |@ > the one on the DECW archive, the 3.93 works well on VMS ...).   2 Has anyone posted a "How-To" page for lame on VMS?   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:52:15 GMTr" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS and MP3s30 Message-ID: <00A25FC9.105A3DCC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <66a00d01.0309160633.e4f8a01@posting.google.com>, djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) writes:u >pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) wrote in message news:<Czm8H9nux8$E@sinead>...i7 >> In article <wf5yHbu5AkrR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, f9 >> kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:e	 >> [...] r9 >> > Did you rip your CD's on the VMS box?  If so, how?  e >> aP >> I don't know if CD rippers works on VMS, but once you have WAV files, you canP >> compress them with lame on VMS (I'll need to post a more recent version than A >> the one on the DECW archive, the 3.93 works well on VMS ...).   >-3 >Has anyone posted a "How-To" page for lame on VMS?1 >1 >D.J.D.   H This software encodes the .WAV into .MP3.  I'd like something to get the; .WAV from a music CD.  Is there any open source to do this?m   --L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            r5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" l   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2003 17:10:54 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)w Subject: Re: VMS and MP3sr- Message-ID: <3f6727fe$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>u  < In article <66a00d01.0309160633.e4f8a01@posting.google.com>,/ djesys@earthlink.net (David J Dachtera) writes:tF >pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)/ >wrote in message news:<Czm8H9nux8$E@sinead>...r7 >> In article <wf5yHbu5AkrR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, l9 >> kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:+	 >> [...] 79 >> > Did you rip your CD's on the VMS box?  If so, how?  h >> yH >> I don't know if CD rippers works on VMS, but once you have WAV files, >you canJ >> compress them with lame on VMS (I'll need to post a more recent version >than A >> the one on the DECW archive, the 3.93 works well on VMS ...). 2 >A3 >Has anyone posted a "How-To" page for lame on VMS?  >  >D.J.D.5 >    CD rippers for VMS?"  . Here's the first try (CDDA2WAV  for CDRTOOLS):  & mc []CDDA2WAV.EXE -alltracks dev=8,0,0  % There is no sound support configured!d3 Type: ROM, Vendor 'SONY    ' Model 'DVD RW DRU-500As  ' Revision '2.0f' MMC+CDDAa; 270336 bytes buffer memory requested, 4 buffers, 27 sectors 1 Read TOC CD Text failed (probably not supported).i #Cdda2wav version VMS support7: AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis  copy-permitted tracktype channels6       1- 4           no              no     audio    27 Table of Contents: total tracks:4, (total time 0:54.08) ;   1.( 0:14.02),  2.( 0:14.02),  3.( 0:14.02),  4.( 0:12.02)t  # Table of Contents: starting sectorsrH   1.(       0),  2.(    1052),  3.(    2104),  4.(    3156), lead-out(   4058)-, CDINDEX discid: EJtTPVcJrZpllu21b_WhOj3qJ0U- CDDB discid: 0x14003604o CD-Text: not detected  CD-Extra: not detected& samplefile size will be 9544460 bytes.G recording 54.1066 seconds stereo with 16 bits @ 44100.0 Hz ->'AUDIO'...o" a nonforking version is running...
 percent_done:-$ 100%  track  1 successfully recorded$ 100%  track  2 successfully recorded$ 100%  track  3 successfully recorded$ 100%  track  4 successfully recorded   $ dir *.wav3  H Directory DSA2:[CDRECORD_ARCHIV.CDRTOOLS_2_01A18.CDRTOOLS-2_01.CDDA2WAV]  6 AUDIO_01.WAV;1      AUDIO_02.WAV;1      AUDIO_03.WAV;1 AUDIO_04.WAV;1  $ Send a message if you're interested.  	 eberhard o   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:30:32 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. @ Message-ID: <20030916133032.23724.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>  ? We need to generate some data under OVMS using the UTF-8 coding  for XML treatment.  8 Is the " USP for OpenVMS " the exact produt to do that ?  C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/usp/doc/develop.html-  3 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/usp/0  > This product is being discontinued by HP ! Another product can6 subsititute it?  From HP ? Attunity ? Other reseller ?   Regards    FC o   =====i ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazili fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwareR http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:33:29 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated. 8 Message-ID: <8k7emvgmjceho6rlpna3nvukp2dfmmm37g@4ax.com>  G On 13 Sep 03 10:12:39 +0200, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:e   >  >tI >The point when I decided to switch off Javascript came several years agoaF >when I was viewing this very user group using Netscape 3.03 on VMS. AP >piece of HTML spam about cheap PCs appeared. When it ground my Alpha to a halt,H >I simply highlighted the DECterm window I had run Netscape from and hit! >CTRL/Y, then restarted Netscape.s >nJ >Just as well, because as I learnt later from others here, that Javascript$ >eventually led to a hard porn site. >PE >At the same time I was due to visit a user in another office, so theoE >potential was there that my 21" screen facing the rest of the office.3 >was displaying porn while I was away from my desk.n >bE >What would _your_ colleagues think if _you_ left a display like that 7 >running in your absence? Or your family or neighbours?e  G Just as a point of comparison here...  The same thing could happen withnG absolutely zero javascript in the web pages, if they put in-line imagese5 into the page.  Do you also run with images disabled?J     >Example 2:  > K >When I first got ISDN at home, I set the inactivity timer to hang up aftertM >3 minutes. Unfortunately one day I left a Javascript enabled browser sittingfL >on a site which displayed banner adverts. When I returned home that eveningE >I discovered I had been connected for a solid 12 hours. That cost me- >unnecessary expenditure.0 >7  I Don't take this as criticism, but I'd NEVER rely on some inactivity timer H to take the place of my own overt actions to protect myself.  Imho, thisK issue is not really a problem of js, but a problem of user processes - this K similar thing would happen to users who walked away from terminals figuringaI that the screen saver would kick-in and protect them (unfortunately, likec. all things, screen savers often fail as well).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:42:32 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: VMS website updated.o) Message-ID: <3F673D77.675C7ACD@istop.com>s   jlsue wrote:M > >When I first got ISDN at home, I set the inactivity timer to hang up after O > >3 minutes. Unfortunately one day I left a Javascript enabled browser sittingfN > >on a site which displayed banner adverts. When I returned home that eveningG > >I discovered I had been connected for a solid 12 hours. That cost mey > >unnecessary expenditure.g  K Self refreshing pages have also costed people their jobs because employers,hM not understanding the internet, thought that the employee spent hours playinghM on some web page when in fact his browser may have been in the background andtH he was doing real work. Yet their firewall logs, show constant activity.  N Self refreshing pages can be done via the META tag in the top of the HTML codeN (the whole page reloads). This can also be done with javascript for individualK ads or the whole page. And I would suspect that Flash objects (adverts) caneB also reload themselves when they are finished with their own loop.  M Animated gifs doN't reload themselves (without javascript), they just consume  CPU on your desktop.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.514 ************************) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> U Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters (Alpha) - standalone workstation joined to the cluster? ; Message-ID: <01L0Q5LYI8AQAMK0HT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > >> Problem is, if you take down some nodes, change stuff on the shadowK > >> set, then drop those nodes and reboot the ones that have been down you $ > >> end up with the old contents :( > ( > > Can you explain this in more detail? > C > OK, node A, B, C, D with dat Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Hos